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rockinrobin23
04-10-2011, 06:16 PM
Me and my friend debate this all of the time. Just wanted to get some of your guys thinking on this. I am a little bias i think Robin should get this honor.

gregoriop
04-10-2011, 06:18 PM
He was my favorite player as a kid, but no.

jshanahanjr
04-10-2011, 06:23 PM
Love him, but his career with the Sox was one contract short of getting his number retired.

rockinrobin23
04-10-2011, 06:25 PM
He is the reason i got hooked on the Sox when i was a little kid. at the least maybe a robin bobblehead doll day. :D:

Marqhead
04-10-2011, 06:31 PM
Robin was at the game yesterday, they showed him up on the big screen.

doublem23
04-10-2011, 06:33 PM
Robin is my favorite, too (the 23 in my s/n is an homage to him), but I don't think he did enough here. I wish he could have stayed after 1998, but that's just how things went down. He only really spent 8 seasons with the Sox, his 1st year was just a cup of coffee and his 1997 season was almost completely lost.

asindc
04-10-2011, 06:50 PM
One of my fav Sox players :gulp:

No.

Noneck
04-10-2011, 06:52 PM
nope

HomeFish
04-10-2011, 06:55 PM
No. Since we have to retire both 44 and 33 for Rowand, we won't have room.

Red Barchetta
04-10-2011, 07:06 PM
Love him, but his career with the Sox was one contract short of getting his number retired.

I agree. Robin was one of my favorite players, however he didn't spend enough time in a SOX uniform. However, #14 will be retired!

SSrep
04-10-2011, 07:09 PM
Robin is my favorite, too (the 23 in my s/n is an homage to him), but I don't think he did enough here. I wish he could have stayed after 1998, but that's just how things went down. He only really spent 8 seasons with the Sox, his 1st year was just a cup of coffee and his 1997 season was almost completely lost.

That slide at home in Spring Training still gives me chills when I think about it.

jamokes
04-10-2011, 07:15 PM
I'd retire Robin's number before I would have retired Harold's.

jdm2662
04-10-2011, 07:15 PM
Robin came up in my early teen years, and I loved him as well. That said, he should not get his number retired.

SephClone89
04-10-2011, 07:17 PM
I'd retire Robin's number before I would have retired Harold's.

Why?

sox1970
04-10-2011, 07:44 PM
No way. Nice player, but come on.

rockinrobin23
04-10-2011, 07:59 PM
10 years with the Sox 1244 hits 741 rbi 171 HR, not to mention how clutch he was for the White sox. 6 gold gloves. Baines played 4 more years with the White sox.

doublem23
04-10-2011, 08:02 PM
10 years with the Sox 1244 hits 741 rbi 171 HR, not to mention how clutch he was for the White sox. 6 gold gloves. Baines played 4 more years with the White sox.

1 of those 10 seasons was a 16-game late-season call-up, a 2nd he spend 2/3 of the year on the DL because of that Spring Training injury.

He was a good to great player, but just not for long enough, and, for as clutch as he was, the Sox only have 1 Western Division banner to show for his tenure in Chicago.

rockinrobin23
04-10-2011, 08:07 PM
i think we should count 94 as well.:wink:

shingo10
04-10-2011, 08:12 PM
Love Robin but that other third baseman we had who wore #24 probably had such a clutch September and October of 2005 that I would have to say he's tied with Robin as my favorite Sox third baseman.

Anyway, back to the question, No they probably shouldn't retire his number. But I do find it amusing that Mark Teahan wears it. Robin Ventura, Jermaine Dye,...Mark Teahan? Eh.

TDog
04-10-2011, 08:14 PM
I'd retire Robin's number before I would have retired Harold's.

Baines' number was retired before it should have been retired, and probably for the wrong reasons when it was retired, but Baines deserves to have his number retired. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

I love Robin. Like Harold, he coached my team in the Sox fantasy camp. But I don't believe his number should be retired.

rockinrobin23
04-10-2011, 08:27 PM
i think if Robin would have played 4 more years with the Sox to equal the same number baines had, Robin would have had the better numbers.

thomas35forever
04-10-2011, 08:43 PM
Nope. Good player, but not even worthy of Hall consideration. Was just short of a decade with us too.

A. Cavatica
04-10-2011, 10:02 PM
I agree with everyone who says no.

I think he was the best 3B in White Sox history, though.

SephClone89
04-10-2011, 10:08 PM
I agree with everyone who says no.

I think he was the best 3B in White Sox history, though.

He doesn't have much competition. I'd go with Buck Weaver, though.


(that could just be the fact I like John Cusack, though)

A. Cavatica
04-10-2011, 10:16 PM
He doesn't have much competition. I'd go with Buck Weaver, though.

Weaver's bat doesn't measure up.

Weaver: 9 seasons, .272/.307/.355 (92 OPS+)
Ventura w/Sox: 10 seasons, .274/.365/.440 (114 OPS+)

Who else is in the conversation? Bill Melton?

Melton w/Sox: 8 seasons, .258/.340/.432 (115 OPS+)

Bucky F. Dent
04-10-2011, 10:21 PM
One of my favorites, but no.

Daver
04-10-2011, 10:35 PM
Why?

Lamp81
04-10-2011, 11:07 PM
I loved watching Ventura play, but no he doesn't deserve to have his number retired. He was very good, but not great.

Dye represented it well, with him being the only World Series MVP in White Sox history (I'm assuming they weren't awarded in 1917 or 1906).

That being said it should go into the rarely worn category. There is no way it should have been given to Teahen.

If someone joined the team, who is established, like an Adam Dunn type player, he could wear it if he requested.

Also, if a future Sox star wanted it, like when Beckham changed his number, he could have it.

But a journeyman like Teahen, he can find a different number. Dye's career was more accomplished when he requested 23.

SOX ADDICT '73
04-10-2011, 11:32 PM
That being said it should go into the rarely worn category. There is no way it should have been given to Teahen.
Next you're going to say that Jim Morrissey shouldn't have worn #51 for the Bears.

Irishsox1
04-11-2011, 12:05 AM
No to Robin and for the record I'm against all numbers being retired for everyone. I'm more of a team first person, so individual awards are nice but the championships are what matters. Also, I think it's cool to see great players wear the same number of a former great player.

Nellie_Fox
04-11-2011, 12:56 AM
Sorry, no.

CWSpalehoseCWS
04-11-2011, 01:07 AM
No. Great player, but there are other guys that should probably have their numbers retired over him. Buehrle and Konerko for one.

Nellie_Fox
04-11-2011, 01:14 AM
Buehrle and Konerko for one.Or two. :tongue:

voodoochile
04-11-2011, 02:13 AM
No, I don't think any of the major requirements for number retirement are met with Robin:

Length of tenure with the team
Over the top individual statistics
Post season success (preferably more than one appearance)


For me a guy needs to be meet at least two of these criteria to be considered. Robin doesn't meet any of them.

ChiSoxGirl
04-11-2011, 08:47 AM
Robin was at the game yesterday, they showed him up on the big screen.

I know, and it was the highlight of the afternoon for me. :wink: I adored Robin as a kid - he was my hero. When I saw him on the Jumbotron, I immediately became the star-struck ten year old girl I was in 1990 again. Then reality set back in when I realized Ventura will be 44 this summer (:o:) and it really has been over 20 years since he became my hero.

soxfanreggie
04-11-2011, 09:27 AM
I agree. Robin was one of my favorite players, however he didn't spend enough time in a SOX uniform. However, #14 will be retired!

I agree...with both statements! If something would have happened where he had a Big Hurt-like start to his career (MVPs) and then had a horrible freak injury or something, then I could see some consideration.

ewokpelts
04-11-2011, 09:33 AM
I've said this before, but a joint # retirement with Dye would work.

Milw
04-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Baines' number was retired before it should have been retired, and probably for the wrong reasons when it was retired, but Baines deserves to have his number retired. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

I love Robin. Like Harold, he coached my team in the Sox fantasy camp. But I don't believe his number should be retired.
Baines is an icon of the franchise and deserves to have his number retired. But very few objective non-White Sox fans would agree that he belongs in the HOF... and they're right. He's on the cusp of the discussion, for sure, but he's just not a HOFer. And he won't be.

doublem23
04-11-2011, 09:48 AM
Baines is an icon of the franchise and deserves to have his number retired. But very few objective non-White Sox fans would agree that he belongs in the HOF... and they're right. He's on the cusp of the discussion, for sure, but he's just not a HOFer. And he won't be.

Baines belongs in the HOF now that the bar has been lowered by Jim Rice.

rcescato
04-11-2011, 10:11 AM
Me and my friend debate this all of the time. Just wanted to get some of your guys thinking on this. I am a little bias i think Robin should get this honor.

No but teahan should not be allowed to wear it. He is a disgrace to the number!!

Procol Harum
04-11-2011, 10:47 AM
No; silly idea--I liked Ventura and think he was a fairly good player for 5-6 years, but he didn't even manage to attain the ranks of the Very Good for a Long Time a'la Harold Baines.

SI1020
04-11-2011, 11:07 AM
He doesn't have much competition. I'd go with Buck Weaver, though.


(that could just be the fact I like John Cusack, though) Willie Kamm, one of the best if not the best fielding third baseman of his time.

PatK
04-11-2011, 03:47 PM
Not after getting beat up by Nolan Ryan

Nellie_Fox
04-11-2011, 03:50 PM
Not after getting beat up by Nolan Ryan
Oh, please. What does that have to do with his talents as a ballplayer?

Milw
04-11-2011, 04:47 PM
Baines belongs in the HOF now that the bar has been lowered by Jim Rice.
Rice: 8-time All Star, 1978 MVP, .298 BA, 382 HR, 1451 RBI, 16 seasons. Baseball Reference HOF Monitor number: 144

Baines: 6-time All Star, never finished higher than 9th in MVP voting, .289 BA, 384 HR, 1628 RBI, 22 seasons. HOF Monitor: 66 (!)

So Rice had a BA of 9 points higher, and Baines hit 2 more HR and 177 more RBI despite playing 6 more seasons. Baines had fewer ASG appearances and never came close to winning an MVP. If you want to claim defense, Rice has a career .981 fielding percentage, compared to Baines' .978.

If they lowered the bar for Rice, they'd have to lower it even further for Baines.

Crestani
04-11-2011, 05:54 PM
I absolutely loved watching Ventura play third and hitting all those grand slams for the Sox. However, he is neither a HOF candidtae, nor should he have his number retierd....JMO!!

wassagstdu
04-11-2011, 06:15 PM
Not after getting beat up by Nolan Ryan

He wasn't beat up by Ryan. By the time he got to the mound he realized he had made a mistake, and Ryan saved face without either of them getting hurt. I see it as a class act by both.

TDog
04-11-2011, 07:11 PM
Rice: 8-time All Star, 1978 MVP, .298 BA, 382 HR, 1451 RBI, 16 seasons. Baseball Reference HOF Monitor number: 144

Baines: 6-time All Star, never finished higher than 9th in MVP voting, .289 BA, 384 HR, 1628 RBI, 22 seasons. HOF Monitor: 66 (!)

So Rice had a BA of 9 points higher, and Baines hit 2 more HR and 177 more RBI despite playing 6 more seasons. Baines had fewer ASG appearances and never came close to winning an MVP. If you want to claim defense, Rice has a career .981 fielding percentage, compared to Baines' .978.

If they lowered the bar for Rice, they'd have to lower it even further for Baines.

This isn't the subject of the thread, but the Hall of Fame isn't about stats.

SephClone89
04-11-2011, 07:27 PM
This isn't the subject of the thread, but the Hall of Fame isn't about stats.

Sure it is, a great deal. 3,000 hits? 300 wins? 500 homers?

diehardRLsoxfan
04-11-2011, 07:33 PM
The HOF is ALMOST exclusively about stats.

TDog
04-11-2011, 08:10 PM
The HOF is ALMOST exclusively about stats.

The record holder for most hits isn't in the Hall of Fame. The record holder for most home runs will have trouble getting in. A player who retired a couple of days ago with 555 career home runs is doubtful for the Hall of Fame. A utility infielder on the White Sox who some on WSI complained was hitting too high in the lineup at seventh this weekend is almost certain for the Hall of Fame.

Many fans think the Hall of Fame is about stats. And if Harold Baines, who came so close to getting 3,000 hits had picked up 3,000 hits, more voters would have taken notice of his qualifications. But the Hall of Fame wasn't founded to be about stats and it continues not to be about stats.

BleacherBandit
04-11-2011, 08:20 PM
The record holder for most hits isn't in the Hall of Fame. The record holder for most home runs will have trouble getting in. A player who retired a couple of days ago with 555 career home runs is doubtful for the Hall of Fame. A utility infielder on the White Sox who some on WSI complained was hitting too high in the lineup at seventh this weekend is almost certain for the Hall of Fame.

Many fans think the Hall of Fame is about stats. And if Harold Baines, who came so close to getting 3,000 hits had picked up 3,000 hits, more voters would have taken notice of his qualifications. But the Hall of Fame wasn't founded to be about stats and it continues not to be about stats.

Eh, it's still about stats. Sure, you can be disqualified if you cheat or participate in unethical activities. But it's still about stats. Manny Ramirez possibly tainted his statistics, so he isn't in. Pete Rose is a different story.

SI1020
04-11-2011, 08:51 PM
He wasn't beat up by Ryan. By the time he got to the mound he realized he had made a mistake, and Ryan saved face without either of them getting hurt. I see it as a class act by both. I missed that fight then. I saw an older pitcher beat the hell out of a much younger batter. You're damn right he knew he made a mistake when he charged the mound.

Domeshot17
04-11-2011, 09:11 PM
Have to say no hear, and I grew up on Robin as a kid. He will always be a Sox player who was good. He was never GREAT or sensational or a super star, but man, he was good.

I think retired numbers should be something sacred though. The only 2 guys I can definitively say will get a retired number are PK and Burls.

Nellie_Fox
04-11-2011, 09:40 PM
I missed that fight then. I saw an older pitcher beat the hell out of a much younger batter. You're damn right he knew he made a mistake when he charged the mound.He didn't "beat the hell out of " anybody. He got Robin in a headlock and proceeded to give him noogies. If you think that was somebody getting the hell beat out of them, you've never seen a real beating.

ewokpelts
04-12-2011, 11:27 AM
He wasn't beat up by Ryan. By the time he got to the mound he realized he had made a mistake, and Ryan saved face without either of them getting hurt. I see it as a class act by both.nolan got a few licks in.

Nellie_Fox
04-12-2011, 12:15 PM
nolan got a few licks in.I swear, some of you people must have never even SEEN a real fight, much less been in one. You don't rap someone on the top of the head if you're trying to do damage to anything but your own knuckles. That's why I described what he did as giving noogies.

ewokpelts
04-12-2011, 12:40 PM
I swear, some of you people must have never even SEEN a real fight, much less been in one. You don't rap someone on the top of the head if you're trying to do damage to anything but your own knuckles. That's why I described what he did as giving noogies.it was a baseball fight. he's trying to not hurt himself or get suspended.

Nellie_Fox
04-12-2011, 12:45 PM
it was a baseball fight. he's trying to not hurt himself or get suspended.And thus doesn't qualify for the description of "beating the hell out of" someone, or of "getting some licks in."

ewokpelts
04-12-2011, 12:50 PM
And thus doesn't qualify for the description of "beating the hell out of" someone, or of "getting some licks in." those dont look like kid punches here....


http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12745349

http://www.cylive.com/content/22548/Nolan_Ryan_Teaches_Robin_Ventura_How_Not_To_Fight_ a_Baseball_Brawl

http://www.opticstalk.com/uploads/1/Nolan_Ryan.jpg

Thome25
04-12-2011, 12:52 PM
To the OP:

You could've gotten your answer from this thread which was started 5 years ago:

Anyone Think The Sox Should've Retired Ventura's #23? (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72622&highlight=Ventura)

The search function is your friend.:D:

sox1970
04-12-2011, 01:03 PM
Lamont was really beboppin and scattin'.

Nellie_Fox
04-12-2011, 01:03 PM
those dont look like kid punches here....
Ever punch somebody in the top of the head? It's like punching a boulder. Ventura did not "get the hell beat out of him." Those probably didn't even hurt very much.

palehozenychicty
04-12-2011, 01:33 PM
No way. Nice player, but come on.

What he said. Loved Robin, but please.

Jim Shorts
04-12-2011, 03:11 PM
Ever punch somebody in the top of the head? It's like punching a boulder. Ventura did not "get the hell beat out of him." Those probably didn't even hurt very much.


You're splitting hairs. He was humiliated on national TV. He was a punchline for about two years.

The embarrassment and humiliation probably hurt worse that if he had actually gotten "beaten up"

PatK
04-12-2011, 04:38 PM
You're splitting hairs. He was humiliated on national TV. He was a punchline for about two years.

The embarrassment and humiliation probably hurt worse that if he had actually gotten "beaten up"

Punchline for about two years??

People throw that pic up on other forums I go to to make fun of me about the Sox to this day.

And I never thought my ill-fated attempt at humor would actually lead to a debate on what constitutes an ass kicking.

RedHeadPaleHoser
04-12-2011, 04:47 PM
If retiring his # means we can get rid of Mark Teahen faster by telling him there's no other #'s available, then I'm in 100%.

Otherwise, no.

Nellie_Fox
04-12-2011, 05:06 PM
You're splitting hairs. He was humiliated on national TV. He was a punchline for about two years.

The embarrassment and humiliation probably hurt worse that if he had actually gotten "beaten up"
There's no hair splitting, just the usual change of the argument on the internet. The issue I was addressing was how badly he "got the hell beaten out of him," not how embarrassing it was. But, being the internet, people will keep changing the terms of the discussion until they "win."

ewokpelts
04-13-2011, 01:13 PM
There's no hair splitting, just the usual change of the argument on the internet. The issue I was addressing was how badly he "got the hell beaten out of him," not how embarrassing it was. But, being the internet, people will keep changing the terms of the discussion until they "win."while he wasnt lying half-dead in a ditch, he still got knocked around.

Nellie_Fox
04-13-2011, 03:09 PM
while he wasnt lying half-dead in a ditch, he still got knocked around.Nothing was hurt but his feelings.

downstairs
04-13-2011, 03:19 PM
No way. One-time all star, a few golden gloves, and OK stats. All around great guy, but no- not worthy of being on the wall.

Frontman
04-13-2011, 03:40 PM
No way. One-time all star, a few golden gloves, and OK stats. All around great guy, but no- not worthy of being on the wall.

Agreed. Sure fire HoF players should be on that wall, like Teahan.

Nellie_Fox
04-13-2011, 04:51 PM
Agreed. Sure fire HoF players should be on that wall, like Teahan.
Not even clever.

soxinem1
04-13-2011, 05:35 PM
Love him, but his career with the Sox was one contract short of getting his number retired.

Ultimately that is true, but those of us who remember the unsuccessful rotating days before Ventura, and honestly, other than Crede since he left, he was the best tenured, homegrown 3B in recent team history both offensively and defensively.

And that was in the days that both Comiskey's were more pitcher-friendly.

Hitmen77
04-14-2011, 12:39 PM
I think there is simply a desire among Sox fans to officially recognize fan favorites like Robin Ventura.

There is no way that they should retire his number, but as I have stated before, I think the Sox should establish some sort of official team "Hall of Fame" that can honor players like Ventura who had great seasons with the team but weren't good enough for long enough to have a number retired.

Players like Ventura, Dick Allen, Melton, Guillen, Thigpen, McDowell, etc. can be recognized without the Sox filling the OF wall with retired numbers.

SephClone89
04-14-2011, 12:48 PM
I think there is simply a desire among Sox fans to officially recognize fan favorites like Robin Ventura.

There is no way that they should retire his number, but as I have stated before, I think the Sox should establish some sort of official team "Hall of Fame" that can honor players like Ventura who had great seasons with the team but weren't good enough for long enough to have a number retired.

Players like Ventura, Dick Allen, Melton, Guillen, Thigpen, McDowell, etc. can be recognized without the Sox filling the OF wall with retired numbers.

:gulp:

EDIT: Guillen is definitely getting his number retired, though.

Frontman
04-14-2011, 07:09 PM
Ever punch somebody in the top of the head? It's like punching a boulder. Ventura did not "get the hell beat out of him." Those probably didn't even hurt very much.

Considering even today on PTI, some 18 years later, made mention of this beat down during their closing part of the show?

Ventura might not of gotten "hurt" but it certainly was a beat down.

Nellie_Fox
04-15-2011, 01:02 AM
Considering even today on PTI, some 18 years later, made mention of this beat down during their closing part of the show?

Ventura might not of gotten "hurt" but it certainly was a beat down.Just because ESPN keeps talking about it doesn't make it a "beatdown." Seriously, I swear you guys have never seen anybody really get beaten up.

SI1020
04-15-2011, 11:49 AM
I lost track of this thread, but apparently a firestorm over whether or not Ventura took a whupping. I found the video and took another look after all these years. Now of course, in the context of a street fight this was paddycakes. As for the "fight" it pretty much transpired the way I remembered it. Ventura gets plunked, looks like he's going to trot on to first, suddenly makes a beeline for Ryan, then almost freezes like a deer in the headlights, before making his final futile charge. After getting Ventura in a quick headlock and pounding the top of his head, Ryan is able to turn him and get one good hard uppercut in before the mob closes in and lands on top of them. Pretty typical baseball fight, no real damage done, but in my opinion Ventura was lucky it all ended so quickly. If I were in his shoes then I would definitely admit, yeah I was whupped. Of course there were at least two more mob scrums after the initial fisticuffs and Rangers coach Mickey Hatcher came out of one with a deep cut over one of his eyes. Lamont, the wooden man, went ballistic. It was quite something seeing his tirade. OK, so Robin Ventura didn't get a street or MMA style beatdown, but it was sure headed that way. FWIW, nothing against Robin, he was my favorite player on that team.

doublem23
04-15-2011, 01:27 PM
I lost track of this thread, but apparently a firestorm over whether or not Ventura took a whupping. I found the video and took another look after all these years. Now of course, in the context of a street fight this was paddycakes. As for the "fight" it pretty much transpired the way I remembered it. Ventura gets plunked, looks like he's going to trot on to first, suddenly makes a beeline for Ryan, then almost freezes like a deer in the headlights, before making his final futile charge. After getting Ventura in a quick headlock and pounding the top of his head, Ryan is able to turn him and get one good hard uppercut in before the mob closes in and lands on top of them. Pretty typical baseball fight, no real damage done, but in my opinion Ventura was lucky it all ended so quickly. If I were in his shoes then I would definitely admit, yeah I was whupped. Of course there were at least two more mob scrums after the initial fisticuffs and Rangers coach Mickey Hatcher came out of one with a deep cut over one of his eyes. Lamont, the wooden man, went ballistic. It was quite something seeing his tirade. OK, so Robin Ventura didn't get a street or MMA style beatdown, but it was sure headed that way. FWIW, nothing against Robin, he was my favorite player on that team.

I think I read an interview where Robin admits that about 1/2 way to the pitcher's mound, he realized what he was doing and that it was stupid, so, since he couldn't stop, he wasn't really trying to do as little harm as possible.

So yeah, nothing too outrageous, but any time a 40-something gets a 20-something in a headlock and starts landing punches, the 20-year-old got a whoopin'. :cool:

Frontman
04-15-2011, 04:20 PM
Just because ESPN keeps talking about it doesn't make it a "beatdown." Seriously, I swear you guys have never seen anybody really get beaten up.

Wow. Generalize much?

Nellie; this was a beat down. He didn't get hurt, but his ego certainly took a bruising, and its a part of both athletes' history.

Ryan was nearly twice Ventura's age and embarrassed him, simply put.

As doublem23 pointed out, Ventura has even admitted it was a stupid move to charge Ryan in the first place.

Nellie_Fox
04-15-2011, 05:05 PM
Wow. Generalize much?

Nellie; this was a beat down. He didn't get hurt, but his ego certainly took a bruising, and its a part of both athletes' history.

Ryan was nearly twice Ventura's age and embarrassed him, simply put.

As doublem23 pointed out, Ventura has even admitted it was a stupid move to charge Ryan in the first place.We're arguing semantics. In my world, getting embarrassed isn't the same thing as getting a beat down. When you "get the hell beat out of you" as was posted, or get a "beat down," there are visible injuries after the fact. Bruising, swelling, bleeding. Not hurt feelings and bruised egos.

I'm through discussing this. If you guys want to go on believing that this was an ass-kicking, go ahead.

ewokpelts
04-18-2011, 10:04 AM
we're arguing semantics. In my world, getting embarrassed isn't the same thing as getting a beat down. When you "get the hell beat out of you" as was posted, or get a "beat down," there are visible injuries after the fact. Bruising, swelling, bleeding. Not hurt feelings and bruised egos.

i'm through discussing this. If you guys want to go on believing that this was an ass-kicking, go ahead.


thank you!

BubblingCalderon
04-18-2011, 04:54 PM
I was recently thinking the Sox should do a White Sox walk of fame to honor great players who aren't worthy of number retirement.

I got this idea from Camden Yards, on the Eutah street concourse they put small, I'd guess 4 inch wide, circular baseball plaques listing where every HR ball reaching the concourse landed. I saw a Sox Jeff Liefer one. There are many of these and the Orioles add them all the time.

Essentially you could put 2 foot wide circlular plaques (or some other shape) on the concourse honoring players like Ventura, Mac Dowell, Dye, and Dick Allen. I just think the Sox could and should honor other players. Harold Baines and Steve Stone are in the O's hall of fame yet don't have their numbers retired.

I know this would never happen as the Sox wont do anything that hasn't already been successful in 25 other major league stadiums.

Nellie_Fox
04-18-2011, 05:00 PM
I was recently thinking the Sox should do a White Sox walk of fame to honor great players who aren't worthy of number retirement.

I got this idea from Camden Yards, on the Eutah street concourse they put small, I'd guess 4 inch wide, circular baseball plaques listing where every HR ball reaching the concourse landed. I saw a Sox Jeff Liefer one. There are many of these and the Orioles add them all the time.

Essentially you could put 2 foot wide circlular plaques (or some other shape) on the concourse honoring players like Ventura, Mac Dowell, Dye, and Dick Allen. I just think the Sox could and should honor other players. Harold Baines and Steve Stone are in the O's hall of fame yet don't have their numbers retired.

I know this would never happen as the Sox wont do anything that hasn't already been successful in 25 other major league stadiums.
Nonsense. The Sox invented "turn back the clock" and I think they invented "dog day."

They used to have a Sox Hall of Fame on the main concourse, third base side, next to a souvenir shop. I know it's gone, but I thought they had moved it somewhere else in the park. No?

Hitmen77
04-20-2011, 03:35 PM
Nonsense. The Sox invented "turn back the clock" and I think they invented "dog day."

They used to have a Sox Hall of Fame on the main concourse, third base side, next to a souvenir shop. I know it's gone, but I thought they had moved it somewhere else in the park. No?

I thought the Sox initially said they were going to move the HOF to another location after they expanded the main gift shop. But as far as I know, that didn't happen. I have been told there are some Sox memorabilia on display at the Scout Seats restaurant. But I don't believe it's an actual "hall of fame" (plus a vast majority of fans are never going to step foot inside the Scout Seats to see what they have)

Anyway, even the old HOF, while nice, wasn't set up to officially honor specific Sox players (like Ventura) who had great seasons with the Sox, but shouldn't have their number retired.

Nellie_Fox
04-20-2011, 03:45 PM
I thought the Sox initially said they were going to move the HOF to another location after they expanded the main gift shop. But as far as I know, that didn't happen. I have been told there are some Sox memorabilia on display at the Scout Seats restaurant. But I don't believe it's an actual "hall of fame" (plus a vast majority of fans are never going to step foot inside the Scout Seats to see what they have)

Anyway, even the old HOF, while nice, wasn't set up to officially honor specific Sox players (like Ventura) who had great seasons with the Sox, but shouldn't have their number retired.I saw the old one from the outside, but never went in because there was always a long line.

ewokpelts
04-20-2011, 03:48 PM
I thought the Sox initially said they were going to move the HOF to another location after they expanded the main gift shop. But as far as I know, that didn't happen. I have been told there are some Sox memorabilia on display at the Scout Seats restaurant. But I don't believe it's an actual "hall of fame" (plus a vast majority of fans are never going to step foot inside the Scout Seats to see what they have)

Anyway, even the old HOF, while nice, wasn't set up to officially honor specific Sox players (like Ventura) who had great seasons with the Sox, but shouldn't have their number retired.yeah, they abandoned that plan to have another tshirt shop upstairs