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DirtySox
04-08-2011, 03:21 PM
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Manny Ramirez notifies MLB of retirement, baseball announces.
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#Rays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Rays): "Manny Ramirez has decided to retire after being informed of an issue under the Drug Program."
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Manny Ramirez tested positive for banned substance, confirmed by Rays and MLB. Manny Ramirez responded by retiring from the game. XM 175
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#Rays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Rays) did not find out true nature of why Manny left until today. Team is last to know in PED cases
8 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1/status/56460238223704064)

WhiteSox5187
04-08-2011, 03:23 PM
Once they took away his steroids he was done.

JermaineDye05
04-08-2011, 03:26 PM
:o:

Wow.

doublem23
04-08-2011, 03:26 PM
So I don't get to boo him tomorrow for half-assing it last year?

Sucks.

WhiteSox5187
04-08-2011, 03:26 PM
NESN just said that MLB Drug Enforcement and Prevention notified him of some issue and then he announced he was retiring. Hmmm.

NLaloosh
04-08-2011, 03:27 PM
It came 8 months too late.

gobears1987
04-08-2011, 03:28 PM
I'm just pissed that the Sox picked him up last year. I would've rather lost with Mark Kotsay or Mark Teahen at DH than with Manny Ramirez as DH. **** the roider. He should've been booted out of the game awhile ago.

harwar
04-08-2011, 03:28 PM
Yea, Bob Costas just reported it during the yankees red sox game .. so i guess that ends the mystery .. the Tampa announcers were talking a lot about what manny might be up to ..

WhiteSox5187
04-08-2011, 03:29 PM
Here's a link to the drug enforcement policy, it doesn't explain a lot but sounds suspicious, to me at least. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6310125

DirtySox
04-08-2011, 03:29 PM
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#Rays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Rays): "Manny Ramirez has decided to retire after being informed of an issue under the Drug Program."
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hi im skot
04-08-2011, 03:31 PM
:rolling:

DirtySox
04-08-2011, 03:36 PM
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Manny Ramirez tested positive for banned substance, confirmed by Rays and MLB. Manny Ramirez responded by retiring from the game. XM 175
3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/JimBowdenXMFox/status/56454645773639680)

gobears1987
04-08-2011, 03:37 PM
Oh and I'm going to say NO on Cooperstown for the same reason McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro aren't getting in.

DirtySox
04-08-2011, 03:40 PM
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Ramirez's failed test was in spring training. He was notified about a week ago and decided he would rather retire than fight #Rays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Rays)
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DirtySox
04-08-2011, 03:41 PM
I hope the Rays call up Desmond Jennings.

WhiteSox5187
04-08-2011, 03:41 PM
Oh and I'm going to say NO on Cooperstown for the same reason McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro aren't getting in.

All the guys who looked like sure fire first ballot HOFers ten years ago will hopefully never make the Hall.

C-Dawg
04-08-2011, 03:43 PM
Good riddance, Manny, you bum!

JermaineDye05
04-08-2011, 03:43 PM
Source: Manny's positive test occurred in spring training. Evidently did not appeal. Otherwise #MLB (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MLB) would have just announced suspension. half a minute ago (http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/56456995225616384) via Twitter for Mac (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/twitter/id409789998?mt=12)
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PalehosePlanet
04-08-2011, 03:44 PM
Oh and I'm going to say NO on Cooperstown for the same reason McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro aren't getting in.

Same here; just add Bonds to the list.

WhiteSox5187
04-08-2011, 03:44 PM
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Joelsherman1 (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1) Joel Sherman
Ramirez's failed test was in spring training. He was notified about a week ago and decided he would rather retire than fight #Rays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Rays)
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I think it was Victor Conte who said the drug test at the beginning of Spring Training was more of an IQ test than a drug test as you'd have to be a fool to fail that test. Well, now we know that Manny failed the IQ test as well.

JermaineDye05
04-08-2011, 03:45 PM
All the guys who looked like sure fire first ballot HOFers ten years ago will hopefully never make the Hall.

:hurt

Except for me, right?

gobears1987
04-08-2011, 03:45 PM
Same here; just add Bonds to the list.

I just forgot to list him, but yeah he's in that group too.

Frank, Junior, and Thome will all deservedly be voted in. The roid using bums can pay admission at the door.

dickallen15
04-08-2011, 03:48 PM
Isn't the second fail a 100 game suspension? As a Sox fan, it was almost embarrassing how some fell over themselves praising him after he was acquired last year, even giving him credit for others hitting home runs. He's a cheat who knew, at least at this point in time, he was garbage without "help". Say goodbye to the HOF for at least a decade Manny. He was a lock before, I think even with his failed test.

tstrike2000
04-08-2011, 03:51 PM
Reportedly retiring to avoid drug charges. Nice, what a class act.

Lip Man 1
04-08-2011, 03:51 PM
Based on the wording and the reports coming out you know it was another drug / steroid issue. His chances for the Hall of Fame just got flushed down the toilet and many fans (except in Boston of course...:rolleyes:) are going to think the Red Sox titles were somewhat tainted.

Lip

hi im skot
04-08-2011, 03:55 PM
Based on the wording and the reports coming out you know it was another drug / steroid issue. His chances for the Hall of Fame just got flushed down the toilet and many fans (except in Boston of course...:rolleyes:) are going to think the Red Sox titles were somewhat tainted.

Lip

Eh, I'm not going to pretend that every other championship team of the last 15 years (including the White Sox) was completely clean.

JermaineDye05
04-08-2011, 03:56 PM
Based on the wording and the reports coming out you know it was another drug / steroid issue. His chances for the Hall of Fame just got flushed down the toilet and many fans (except in Boston of course...:rolleyes:) are going to think the Red Sox titles were somewhat tainted.

Lip

If you wanna split hairs, Pablo Ozuna tested positive for PEDs as well.

However, he wasn't batting in the heart of the lineup alongside another probable PED user.

Marqhead
04-08-2011, 03:57 PM
Eh, I'm not going to pretend that every other championship team of the last 15 years (including the White Sox) was completely clean.

Pablo Ozuna!

WhiteSox5187
04-08-2011, 03:57 PM
:hurt

Except for me, right?

Ten years ago I am not so sure Frank would have been considered a first ballot HOFer, he seemed like an after thought with the likes of Sosa, Bonds, and Manny putting up the numbers they put up. Of course now we know WHY that was the case and as someone said before, guys like Junior and Frank look SO much better now.

Gavin
04-08-2011, 04:00 PM
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never forget

WhiteSox5187
04-08-2011, 04:01 PM
Based on the wording and the reports coming out you know it was another drug / steroid issue. His chances for the Hall of Fame just got flushed down the toilet and many fans (except in Boston of course...:rolleyes:) are going to think the Red Sox titles were somewhat tainted.

Lip

Looking up and down that 2004 Red Sox lineup, it looks like the all steroid team. You have Manny and Ortiz who tested positive, Damon went from being a slap singles hitter to a guy who was hitting 20 home runs, Nomar was shady too.

C-Dawg
04-08-2011, 04:02 PM
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never forget

What is that picture, Manny butchering a routine fly ball?

Gavin
04-08-2011, 04:03 PM
What is that picture, Manny butchering a routine fly ball?

Manny cutting off a relay throw from the CF.

DirtySox
04-08-2011, 04:04 PM
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#Rays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Rays) did not find out true nature of why Manny left until today. Team is last to know in PED cases
8 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1/status/56460238223704064)

Risk
04-08-2011, 04:07 PM
Well if it's true, then let me say "Farewell, douchebag."

Risk

RadioheadRocks
04-08-2011, 04:12 PM
I'm just pissed that the Sox picked him up last year. I would've rather lost with Mark Kotsay or Mark Teahen at DH than with Manny Ramirez as DH. **** the roider. He should've been booted out of the game awhile ago.

Hallemother****ingllujiah!!!!

Red Barchetta
04-08-2011, 04:14 PM
Once they took away his steroids he was done.


I agree. Just like Sosa, his bat speed went bye-bye post drug-testing. It showed last season with the Dodgers and with the SOX and then his 1 for 15 start for the Rays this season.

The Dodgers management should be recognized for not signing him to a long term contract per his wishes. They knew!

See ya!

RadioheadRocks
04-08-2011, 04:14 PM
Isn't the second fail a 100 game suspension? As a Sox fan, it was almost embarrassing how some fell over themselves praising him after he was acquired last year, even giving him credit for others hitting home runs. He's a cheat who knew, at least at this point in time, he was garbage without "help". Say goodbye to the HOF for at least a decade Manny. He was a lock before, I think even with his failed test.


Almost??? It WAS embarrassing!

Red Barchetta
04-08-2011, 04:16 PM
I think it was Victor Conte who said the drug test at the beginning of Spring Training was more of an IQ test than a drug test as you'd have to be a fool to fail that test. Well, now we know that Manny failed the IQ test as well.

Anyone know what he tested positive for? Roids or recreational drugs?

Chez
04-08-2011, 04:21 PM
Anyone know what he tested positive for? Roids or recreational drugs?

He's still trying to get pregnant, right?

DumpJerry
04-08-2011, 04:23 PM
It's just Manny being Manny.........

PaleHoser
04-08-2011, 04:23 PM
STOP! THIEF!

Too late. :whiner:

He's banked $200M in his career under fraudulent circumstances. I hope he lives a long, lonely life in a lot of pain. :gulp:

hi im skot
04-08-2011, 04:26 PM
STOP! THIEF!

Too late. :whiner:

He's banked $200M in his career under fraudulent circumstances. I hope he lives a long, lonely life in a lot of pain. :gulp:

:rolleyes:

It's baseball...

Gavin
04-08-2011, 04:28 PM
:rolleyes:

It's baseball...

Yeah but he followed it up with a guy drinking a beer. So.. that ... means something, I guess.

hi im skot
04-08-2011, 04:30 PM
Yeah but he followed it up with a guy drinking a beer. So.. that ... means something, I guess.

I always fail to recognize the subtleties of internet emoticons.

FOR SHAME.

SoxFan1979
04-08-2011, 04:31 PM
Manny could give a flying F*** about The HOF, or fans for that matter. He's got his millions and he's off into the sunset. Don't let the door hit you Manny

RadioheadRocks
04-08-2011, 04:31 PM
He's still trying to get pregnant, right?

:rolling:

hi im skot
04-08-2011, 04:32 PM
There's gotta be a Manny reality show, right? Because there's no way I'd miss an episode.

DumpJerry
04-08-2011, 04:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE

LITTLE NELL
04-08-2011, 04:39 PM
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Wsoxmike59
04-08-2011, 04:46 PM
I just knew the Cub-une would play this card!!!

Ex-Sox Manny Ramirez to retire after drug 'issue' (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-exsox-manny-ramirez-to-retire-20110408,0,7526294.story)

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Tampa Bay Rays slugger Manny Ramirez told Major League Baseball on Friday that he is retiring after being notified of an issue that arose under MLB's drug policy

Red Barchetta
04-08-2011, 04:55 PM
I just knew the Cub-une would play this card!!!

Ex-Sox Manny Ramirez to retire after drug 'issue' (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-exsox-manny-ramirez-to-retire-20110408,0,7526294.story)

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Tampa Bay Rays slugger Manny Ramirez told Major League Baseball on Friday that he is retiring after being notified of an issue that arose under MLB's drug policy

Of course the picture had to be one with a SOX jersey on. :rolleyes:

Foulke You
04-08-2011, 04:59 PM
Of course the picture had to be one with a SOX jersey on. :rolleyes:
They do the same thing with Jose Canseco too! Every single time Canseco's name is mentioned regarding the steroids issue, they trot out a pic from 2001 where he was wearing his Sox jersey. It's laughable and predictable. Get ready for the same thing with Manny. Every time Manny's name comes up in a negative light, he will be shown wearing his White Sox jersey.

Lip Man 1
04-08-2011, 05:02 PM
Actually if you believe the New York Times this is the 3rd time Manny has failed a drug test. Remember after the Mitchell Report came out the Times somehow got the names of the players who failed a drug test in 2003. If memory serves there were 109 names including Manny, Ortiz, A-Rod and Sosa.

So that would be failed drug tests during his days with the Red Sox, Dodgers and Rays.

Lip

soltrain21
04-08-2011, 05:04 PM
I just knew the Cub-une would play this card!!!

Ex-Sox Manny Ramirez to retire after drug 'issue' (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-exsox-manny-ramirez-to-retire-20110408,0,7526294.story)

http://chibrksports.trb.com/media/thumbnails/story/2011-04/60758493-08133128.jpg
Tampa Bay Rays slugger Manny Ramirez told Major League Baseball on Friday that he is retiring after being notified of an issue that arose under MLB's drug policy

Of course the picture had to be one with a SOX jersey on. :rolleyes:

He is an ex-Sox player. And why wouldn't they use a picture of Manny in a White Sox uniform? The vast majority of pictures the photogs took of the guy was when he was with the White Sox. It's a Chicago paper.

TDog
04-08-2011, 05:17 PM
I'm just pissed that the Sox picked him up last year. I would've rather lost with Mark Kotsay or Mark Teahen at DH than with Manny Ramirez as DH. **** the roider. He should've been booted out of the game awhile ago.

The Sox might not have lost with Kotsay or Teahen. Kotsay actually was having a great August when the Sox announced they had acquired Ramirez to come in and DH. The White Sox were hitting very well before they put Ramirez in the lineup.

Watching him take so many called third strikes, I got the impression Manny Ramirez had already retired but kept it to himself so he could continue to get paid.

SOXSINCE'70
04-08-2011, 05:38 PM
Let me be one of many White Sox fans to say this about his stay
on the South Side:

Thanks.....FOR NOTHING.:angry:

Wsoxmike59
04-08-2011, 05:55 PM
He is an ex-Sox player. And why wouldn't they use a picture of Manny in a White Sox uniform? The vast majority of pictures the photogs took of the guy was when he was with the White Sox. It's a Chicago paper.

He played 24 games in a White Sox uniform. 24 of 2302 life time games. I wouldn't necessarily associate him with the White Sox. The Red Sox and Indians come immediately to mind when I think of Manny.

soltrain21
04-08-2011, 06:27 PM
He played 24 games in a White Sox uniform. 24 of 2302 life time games. I wouldn't necessarily associate him with the White Sox. The Red Sox and Indians come immediately to mind when I think of Manny.

I work in a newsroom. We talk, everyday, about how we can give stories a local spin. This local spin would be the fact that he is, indeed, an Ex-Sox player.

Wsoxmike59
04-08-2011, 06:39 PM
I work in a newsroom. We talk, everyday, about how we can give stories a local spin. This local spin would be the fact that he is, indeed, an Ex-Sox player.

Well that IS spin. I was hoping the Trib would say RED SOX at the top of the article. But in their all out effort to make the White Sox look bad or portray them in a bad light whenever possible they do.

That's the point of my post and the anger I direct at the Tower for being such dickwads.

soltrain21
04-08-2011, 06:44 PM
Well that IS spin. I was hoping the Trib would say RED SOX at the top of the article. But in their all out effort to make the White Sox look bad or portray them in a bad light whenever possible they do.

That's the point of my post and the anger I direct at the Tower for being such dickwads.

What are they spinning about it? He DID play for the White Sox. He also played for the Red Sox. It says ex-Sox. What is the big deal?

russ99
04-08-2011, 06:47 PM
I agree. Just like Sosa, his bat speed went bye-bye post drug-testing. It showed last season with the Dodgers and with the SOX and then his 1 for 15 start for the Rays this season.


Say what you want about the juicing, but the guy was just a fantastic hitter. You can take all the PEDs in the universe and it won't let you hit big-league pitching, especially to the level Manny could.

Kinda sucks to see him go out like this, but he sure didn't do us any favors, either last year or killing us when he was with the Indians.

IMO, this lowers him down to Sosa's and Bonds' level, and further tarnishes a career that wasn't sparkling to begin with - which is sad, since he could have been considered of the all-time greats.

RadioheadRocks
04-08-2011, 06:51 PM
I work in a newsroom. We talk, everyday, about how we can give stories a local spin. This local spin would be the fact that he is, indeed, an Ex-Sox player.

Well that IS spin. I was hoping the Trib would say RED SOX at the top of the article. But in their all out effort to make the White Sox look bad or portray them in a bad light whenever possible they do.

That's the point of my post and the anger I direct at the Tower for being such dickwads.

He is an ex-Sox player. And why wouldn't they use a picture of Manny in a White Sox uniform? The vast majority of pictures the photogs took of the guy was when he was with the White Sox. It's a Chicago paper.

With all due respect, if you work in a newsroom then I'm sure you're aware there's a VAST clip file (or a "morgue", so to speak) at the Tribune's disposal, and I'm sure the number of Ramirez photos with him as a member of the Red Sox (8 years, not to mention two World Series rings) vs. the number with the White Sox (23 lackluster games at the tail end of one season) bear that out. Sorry but that argument doesn't wash with me.

Bobby Thigpen
04-08-2011, 06:58 PM
You can take all the PEDs in the universe and it won't let you hit big-league pitching.
BS.

The speed in recovery it gives you alone gives you an advantage. You bat doesn't slow down over the course of the year like normal because your body doesn't wear down like a normal athlete over the course of 162 games. Add in the obvious advantages it gives you in bat speed with increased muscle mass, especially fast twitch muscles and I think that in itself is a big advantage. Not to mention they prolong the prime of your career which greatly inflates your stats over non PED users.

Now it may not make an average crappy slow pitch player into Babe Ruth, but it will certainly make a superstar out of a borderline MLB strikeout machine. See Sosa, Sammy.

I have no idea how people can see the explosion in offense in the steroid era and the drop off since testing has been used and say that using makes no difference in a person's ability to hit the baseball.

soltrain21
04-08-2011, 07:03 PM
With all due respect, if you work in a newsroom then I'm sure you're aware there's a VAST clip file (or a "morgue", so to speak) at the Tribune's disposal, and I'm sure the number of Ramirez photos with him as a member of the Red Sox (8 years, not to mention two World Series rings) vs. the number with the White Sox (23 lackluster games at the tail end of one season) bear that out. Sorry but that argument doesn't wash with me.

But it's a Chicago paper and he played for the White Sox LAST YEAR. Why not use a current photo that has a local spin?

How can you not just be laughing at the hilariousness of the fact he was going to get busted again so he just said "**** it" and retired? Instead it's another "Chicago media sucks" post.

doublem23
04-08-2011, 07:29 PM
What are they spinning about it? He DID play for the White Sox. He also played for the Red Sox. It says ex-Sox. What is the big deal?

Don't you know everyone's out to get us!!!

thomas35forever
04-08-2011, 07:31 PM
At his age and with such a long suspension looming, I'd probably hang it up too.

Wsoxmike59
04-08-2011, 07:31 PM
What are they spinning about it? He DID play for the White Sox. He also played for the Red Sox. It says ex-Sox. What is the big deal?

Yes he did play for the White Sox. .01% of his career. I could definitely see why the Tribune would want to show Manny in a White Sox uniform. My mistake. :rolleyes:

Now let's celebrate the Milwaukee Brewers all time HR King Henry Aaron and Tampa Bay's Wade Boggs' 3000+ career hits.

Wsoxmike59
04-08-2011, 07:36 PM
With all due respect, if you work in a newsroom then I'm sure you're aware there's a VAST clip file (or a "morgue", so to speak) at the Tribune's disposal, and I'm sure the number of Ramirez photos with him as a member of the Red Sox (8 years, not to mention two World Series rings) vs. the number with the White Sox (23 lackluster games at the tail end of one season) bear that out. Sorry but that argument doesn't wash with me.


^^ This times eleventy!!^^

gregoriop
04-08-2011, 07:56 PM
My mistake. :rolleyes:



You didn't do this right.

C-Dawg
04-08-2011, 07:58 PM
Watching him take so many called third strikes, I got the impression Manny Ramirez had already retired but kept it to himself so he could continue to get paid.

I kept thinking, if they need someone to stand there and strike out on three pitches, I could have done that for about half of whatever they were paying Manny. And I wouldn't have been so pompous to require my own special personalized uniform number either.

Wsoxmike59
04-08-2011, 08:02 PM
You didn't do this right.

I must be colorblind, and I don't use the teal feature much to be honest.

Wsoxmike59
04-08-2011, 08:07 PM
But it's a Chicago paper and he played for the White Sox LAST YEAR. Why not use a current photo that has a local spin?

How can you not just be laughing at the hilariousness of the fact he was going to get busted again so he just said "**** it" and retired? Instead it's another "Chicago media sucks" post.

soltrain, do a google search on Manny Ramirez images and see exactly where a pic of Manny in a White Sox uniform pops up. I just went 10 pages deep and couldn't find a single one.

For the Trib to portray Manny as a former ChiSox caught juicing, when as Lip pointed out he tested positive in a Red Sox - Dodger - and Rays uniform but NOT a White Sox uniform is just downright laughable.

The sanctamonius Trib who spun for years how great Sammy Sosa was, warned us Sox fans not to cheer to loudly for Manny last year, because they were sure we were getting a "juicer".

/end rant.

soltrain21
04-08-2011, 08:19 PM
soltrain, do a google search on Manny Ramirez images and see exactly where a pic of Manny in a White Sox uniform pops up. I just went 10 pages deep and couldn't find a single one.

For the Trib to portray Manny as a former ChiSox caught juicing, when as Lip pointed out he tested positive in a Red Sox - Dodger - and Rays uniform but NOT a White Sox uniform is just downright laughable.

The sanctamonius Trib who spun for years how great Sammy Sosa was, warned us Sox fans not to cheer to loudly for Manny last year, because they were sure we were getting a "juicer".

/end rant.

Newspapers don't get their images off of Google Image searches.

Look. I work as the media archivist at a news station in town. Whenever I grab video for air I have been told by my superiors to grab the newest footage we have of the person/event.

I also sometimes grab the most accessible thing I can because I'm on a deadline and have to work quickly to get an editor video in the quickest manner possible. So maybe I know the day Manny debuted for the Sox - boom - I go grab that tape and hand it off because I have to keep moving with what I'm finding.

We can keep going if you'd like.

Lowell80
04-08-2011, 08:38 PM
What a SAD ending---If he could of stayed off the Juice--he could of been in the Hall of Fame--now he's in the Hall of Shame

Gavin
04-08-2011, 08:44 PM
Newspapers don't get their images off of Google Image searches.

Look. I work as the media archivist at a news station in town. Whenever I grab video for air I have been told by my superiors to grab the newest footage we have of the person/event.

I also sometimes grab the most accessible thing I can because I'm on a deadline and have to work quickly to get an editor video in the quickest manner possible. So maybe I know the day Manny debuted for the Sox - boom - I go grab that tape and hand it off because I have to keep moving with what I'm finding.

We can keep going if you'd like.

Unrepresentative and irresponsible is still unrepresentative and irresponsible, even if it's what your bosses tell you what to do.

soltrain21
04-08-2011, 08:46 PM
Unrepresentative and irresponsible is still unrepresentative and irresponsible, even if it's what your bosses tell you what to do.

How in the **** is it unrepresentative or irresponsible if he ****ING PLAYED FOR THE WHITE SOX?! They didn't lie in their story.

Edit - And if you are talking to me and how I do my job than...I'd like you to not do that.

Gavin
04-08-2011, 08:50 PM
How in the **** is it unrepresentative if he ****ING PLAYED FOR THE WHITE SOX?!

26 games with the White Sox, games in which he basically did nothing, isn't a fair representation of Manny Ramirez, the dominant baseball player. Are you arguing otherwise because he wore a White Sox jersey?

TDog
04-08-2011, 08:51 PM
soltrain, do a google search on Manny Ramirez images and see exactly where a pic of Manny in a White Sox uniform pops up. I just went 10 pages deep and couldn't find a single one.

For the Trib to portray Manny as a former ChiSox caught juicing, when as Lip pointed out he tested positive in a Red Sox - Dodger - and Rays uniform but NOT a White Sox uniform is just downright laughable.

The sanctamonius Trib who spun for years how great Sammy Sosa was, warned us Sox fans not to cheer to loudly for Manny last year, because they were sure we were getting a "juicer".

/end rant.

Local media is supposed to make news as local as possible. Sometimes local media goes overboard to the point of absurdity. A parody Sunday newspaper put out by National Lampoon in the 1970s pointed this out with a banner headline screaming that two local women were missing. The subhead announced that an earthquake had destroyed Japan where they were vacationing.

You could use a picture of Manny Ramirez in a White Sox uniform. Such a picture would be available, certainly. But with a negative story -- and I don't see how you can see the story as anything else -- many White Sox fans would consider it inappropriate to use a picture of Ramirez in a White Sox uniform.

It isn't a huge deal, but no matter which way you go with that, you're leaving yourself open for criticism.

soltrain21
04-08-2011, 08:53 PM
26 games with the White Sox, games in which he basically did nothing, isn't a fair representation of Manny Ramirez, the dominant baseball player. Are you arguing otherwise because he wore a White Sox jersey?

I'm arguing because some people in this thread got all pissy for a Chicago newspaper using a picture of a player that once played for the White Sox LAST YEAR wearing a White Sox uniform. That, somehow, that means a Chicago paper is out to get the Sox.

RadioheadRocks
04-08-2011, 09:17 PM
But it's a Chicago paper and he played for the White Sox LAST YEAR. Why not use a current photo that has a local spin?

How can you not just be laughing at the hilariousness of the fact he was going to get busted again so he just said "**** it" and retired? Instead it's another "Chicago media sucks" post.


Wouldn't a photo of Manny in a Rays uniform be MORE CURRENT, since he most recently PLAYED FOR THEM????????????

RadioheadRocks
04-08-2011, 09:20 PM
Local media is supposed to make news as local as possible. Sometimes local media goes overboard to the point of absurdity. A parody Sunday newspaper put out by National Lampoon in the 1970s pointed this out with a banner headline screaming that two local women were missing. The subhead announced that an earthquake had destroyed Japan where they were vacationing.

You could use a picture of Manny Ramirez in a White Sox uniform. Such a picture would be available, certainly. But with a negative story -- and I don't see how you can see the story as anything else -- many White Sox fans would consider it inappropriate to use a picture of Ramirez in a White Sox uniform.

It isn't a huge deal, but no matter which way you go with that, you're leaving yourself open for criticism.


Exactly, and using his logic then we shouldn't get all pissy about them bringing up the Ligues every time something negative is reported about the Cell or every single generalization of the White Sox fan base.

soltrain21
04-08-2011, 09:21 PM
Wouldn't a photo of Manny in a Rays uniform be MORE CURRENT, since he most recently PLAYED FOR THEM????????????

Because it's a Chicago paper. Him, from the long long time ago of 6 months in a White Sox uniform was accessible and easy to grab, especially in the "rush to get something online" era that the Internet is in.

RadioheadRocks
04-08-2011, 09:32 PM
Ok I'm done circling the airport here. Let's just say that as much as I LOATHE ESPN, they at least got it right:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0408/mlb_u_manny12_203.jpg

JermaineDye05
04-08-2011, 09:44 PM
http://www.tinygif.com/data/media/8/boo-this-man.gif

GoGoCrede
04-08-2011, 11:00 PM
Haha oh my God. Did NOT see this coming.

PeteWard
04-08-2011, 11:28 PM
Isn't the second fail a 100 game suspension? As a Sox fan, it was almost embarrassing how some fell over themselves praising him after he was acquired last year, even giving him credit for others hitting home runs. .

Agreed. I can't believe how many on this website defended the move of signing a known cheater.

PeteWard
04-08-2011, 11:36 PM
They do the same thing with Jose Canseco too! Every single time Canseco's name is mentioned regarding the steroids issue, they trot out a pic from 2001 where he was wearing his Sox jersey. It's laughable and predictable. Get ready for the same thing with Manny. Every time Manny's name comes up in a negative light, he will be shown wearing his White Sox jersey.

The chickens come home to roost. When I criticized signing this sleazeball last year, there were many WSI posters who defended it.

PeteWard
04-08-2011, 11:47 PM
Local media is supposed to make news as local as possible. Sometimes local media goes overboard to the point of absurdity. A parody Sunday newspaper put out by National Lampoon in the 1970s pointed this out with a banner headline screaming that two local women were missing. The subhead announced that an earthquake had destroyed Japan where they were vacationing.

You could use a picture of Manny Ramirez in a White Sox uniform. Such a picture would be available, certainly. But with a negative story -- and I don't see how you can see the story as anything else -- many White Sox fans would consider it inappropriate to use a picture of Ramirez in a White Sox uniform.

It isn't a huge deal, but no matter which way you go with that, you're leaving yourself open for criticism.

...and many White Sox fans were drooling last year when the Sox signed this cad. Let theses photos stand as a rebuke to them for welcoming a bum and a cheater.

RadioheadRocks
04-08-2011, 11:56 PM
I can honestly say I was not among those who EVER wanted that tool on the White Sox. There have been numerous threads here over the years clamoring to see him in a White Sox uniform, and I responded "Let Manny be Manny elsewhere" in each and every one of them.

Cueing up The Hives as we speak ("Hate To Say I Told You So") :D:

Gordon Shumway
04-09-2011, 12:39 AM
Lesson hopefully learned. Don't ever connect the team with a possible cheat for short term gain. He didn't help the team last year, we've moved on. No gain, no loss. You can't blame the local papers for using a picture of him in a White Sox uni, they have to talk about that angle, it's their ****ing job. It'll pass in a day or two and will only be brought up again if we bring in another questionable character. The local press is just doing their job in this case. Much ado about nothing.

RadioheadRocks
04-09-2011, 12:44 AM
You can't blame the local papers for using a picture of him in a White Sox uni, they have to talk about that angle, it's their ****ing job.


Keep telling yourself that next time we see them bring up the Ligues when making generalizations regarding the White Sox fan base.

Gordon Shumway
04-09-2011, 12:48 AM
Keep telling yourself that next time we see them bring up the Ligues when making generalizations regarding the White Sox fan base.

Jesus ****ing Christ, show me a link to the last time a member of the media has brought up the Ligues. Seriously, prove it. Not an obscure blog, an actual link to a newspaper that has even mentioned the Ligues.

dickallen15
04-09-2011, 01:25 AM
Jesus ****ing Christ, show me a link to the last time a member of the media has brought up the Ligues. Seriously, prove it. Not an obscure blog, an actual link to a newspaper that has even mentioned the Ligues.


Here you go, from Friday's Sun Times

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/4711773-417/charles-ramseys-wish-list-for-top-cop-job.html

RadioheadRocks
04-09-2011, 01:36 AM
... and last time I checked, Michael Sneed was still a PROMINENT member of the Chicago media.

WhiteSox5187
04-09-2011, 01:36 AM
What a SAD ending---If he could of stayed off the Juice--he could of been in the Hall of Fame--now he's in the Hall of Shame

I doubt he would have been in the HOF if he weren't on the juice. He probably would have had himself a nice career (like Sosa) but the juice is what got him 500 home runs. The only guy who would have been a HOFer without the juice is Bonds.

Gordon Shumway
04-09-2011, 01:45 AM
Here you go, from Friday's Sun Times

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/4711773-417/charles-ramseys-wish-list-for-top-cop-job.html

Yesterday! Good find, as tiny as the blurb was it did the job of proving me wrong. I couldn't find anything recently myself, besides that blurb is there anything else, over the last 3-5 years that merits a paragraph or even a mention of the Ligues.

dickallen15
04-09-2011, 01:48 AM
Yesterday! Good find, as tiny as the blurb was it did the job of proving me wrong. I couldn't find anything recently myself, besides that blurb is there anything else, over the last 3-5 years that merits a paragraph or even a mention of the Ligues.
Although not by name, another mention in Thursday's Tribune perfect for opening day

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...5419869.column

I think anytime something bad happens at a park, like the Giants fan getting beaten badly, the Liques get some pub even though its been 8 or 9 years.

Gordon Shumway
04-09-2011, 01:59 AM
Well ****, low hanging fruit I guess. I was thinking this was about the media unfairly putting the Sox in a negative light. Ligues should never be mentioned. Not even in context. Media is out to get us in this case.

gobears1987
04-09-2011, 04:12 AM
Agreed. I can't believe how many on this website defended the move of signing a known cheater.

a-****ing-men

gobears1987
04-09-2011, 04:14 AM
Jesus ****ing Christ, show me a link to the last time a member of the media has brought up the Ligues. Seriously, prove it. Not an obscure blog, an actual link to a newspaper that has even mentioned the Ligues.

Here you go, from Friday's Sun Times

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/4711773-417/charles-ramseys-wish-list-for-top-cop-job.html

Pwned! (sorry Gordon, but that was pretty damn funny)

TommyJohn
04-09-2011, 08:00 AM
I see the usual intellectual types are turning up their noses at us lowlifes for daring to believe that any person working for that honest paragon of integrity the Tribune would ever take a story like this and try to spin it in a negative way for the White Sox. So here's an editorial suggestion, even though I am not a journalist and don't pretend to be one-when baseball legend Ken Griffey, Jr. gets elected to the Hall of Fame, have the Bastion of Integrity print the headline: "Ex-Sox Griffey gets Hall call" and print a picture of him in the Sox uniform that he wore briefly during the 2008 season. Now that's positive local spin! After all, they did it for Roberto Alomar earlier this year:

Alomar, Blyleven get call
Jan. 6, 2011

Oh, wait. No, they didn't. In fairness, the article attached to the headline mentioned his two "brief stints" with them, but didn't give it any prominence. Well, go tell your headline boys to make it up when Griffey gets the call.

Wsoxmike59
04-09-2011, 08:09 AM
Thank you Tommy John and RadioHeadRocks for backing me up on my argument. And I don't think I was getting "pissy" about it. Just stating the obvious as it appears to me.

As the late great umpire Bill Klem once said. "I calls 'em as I sees 'em".

gobears1987
04-09-2011, 08:54 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0409-bits-cubs-brewers-chicago20110408,0,6869529.story

More garbage from the Cubune. Blaming Manny for the fact they still haven't won a World Series. :rolleyes:

dickallen15
04-09-2011, 09:07 AM
I see the usual intellectual types are turning up their noses at us lowlifes for daring to believe that any person working for that honest paragon of integrity the Tribune would ever take a story like this and try to spin it in a negative way for the White Sox. So here's an editorial suggestion, even though I am not a journalist and don't pretend to be one-when baseball legend Ken Griffey, Jr. gets elected to the Hall of Fame, have the Bastion of Integrity print the headline: "Ex-Sox Griffey gets Hall call" and print a picture of him in the Sox uniform that he wore briefly during the 2008 season. Now that's positive local spin! After all, they did it for Roberto Alomar earlier this year:

Alomar, Blyleven get call
Jan. 6, 2011

Oh, wait. No, they didn't. In fairness, the article attached to the headline mentioned his two "brief stints" with them, but didn't give it any prominence. Well, go tell your headline boys to make it up when Griffey gets the call.


One thing I did notice about the Tribune and WGN when the Tribune owned the Cubs, when some sort of fun or positve story happened around Wrigley Field, they were in Wrigleyville. When it was a rape or a murder or something else vile, it was Lakeview. Its amazing the Liques are well known, but what is the name of the guy that tried to attack Randy Myers on the mound? Or the guys who got into it with the Dodgers bullpen? Or the guy that beat up a cop at the Addison EL stop after a game? Or the guy who shot someone at Clark and Addison after the game? They swept that all under the rug. Even writers have forgotten it. Even though studies have proven its far safer at USCF at night than Wrigley Field during the day, and that White Sox fans, yes, White Sox fans, on average are more highly educated and more affluent than Cubs fans, people still are brainwashed that "South Side" means something it really does not.

SI1020
04-09-2011, 09:28 AM
One thing I did notice about the Tribune and WGN when the Tribune owned the Cubs, when some sort of fun or positve story happened around Wrigley Field, they were in Wrigleyville. When it was a rape or a murder or something else vile, it was Lakeview. Its amazing the Liques are well known, but what is the name of the guy that tried to attack Randy Myers on the mound? Or the guys who got into it with the Dodgers bullpen? Or the guy that beat up a cop at the Addison EL stop after a game? Or the guy who shot someone at Clark and Addison after the game? They swept that all under the rug. Even writers have forgotten it. Even though studies have proven its far safer at USCF at night than Wrigley Field during the day, and that White Sox fans, yes, White Sox fans, on average are more highly educated and more affluent than Cubs fans, people still are brainwashed that "South Side" means something it really does not.

Don't forget about this incident.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/29/sports/baseball-fan-tussles-with-myers-on-field.html?pagewanted=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/29/sports/baseball-fan-tussles-with-myers-on-field.html?pagewanted=1) Here it is. The guy didn't fare too well.

dickallen15
04-09-2011, 09:40 AM
Here it is. The guy didn't fare too well.

Yet John Murray is never a name linked with bad Cubs fan behavior.

Fenway
04-09-2011, 10:03 AM
MLB is looking into the training center Manny used in the off season in TORONTO.

It is the same place that Clemens used.

Dan Duquette keeps saying the reason Clemens signed with the Jays was he could get access to certain drugs that are legal in Canada but not in the US.

Manny apparently is dumber than we all thought.

SOXSINCE'70
04-09-2011, 10:10 AM
MLB is looking into the training center Manny used in the off season in TORONTO.

It is the same place that Clemens used.

Dan Duquette keeps saying the reason Clemens signed with the Jays was he could get access to certain drugs that are legal in Canada but not in the US.

Manny apparently is dumber than we all thought.

Is this a case of "Manny being Manny"?:shakehead::dunno:

Had to ask.Sorry.

dickallen15
04-09-2011, 10:12 AM
Manny apparently is dumber than we all thought.

That would be difficult.

TommyJohn
04-09-2011, 10:47 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0409-bits-cubs-brewers-chicago20110408,0,6869529.story

More garbage from the Cubune. Blaming Manny for the fact they still haven't won a World Series. :rolleyes:

I saw that too, but didn't want to comment on it, though I was tempted. So Bartman gets the blame for 2003, and Ramirez for 2008.

doublem23
04-09-2011, 10:55 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0409-bits-cubs-brewers-chicago20110408,0,6869529.story

More garbage from the Cubune. Blaming Manny for the fact they still haven't won a World Series. :rolleyes:

I don't see how that's any different than Sox fans here refusing to acknowledge Jason Giambi won the AL MVP in 2000 over Frank Thomas.

Wsoxmike59
04-09-2011, 11:07 AM
I don't see how that's any different than Sox fans here refusing to acknowledge Jason Giambi won the AL MVP in 2000 over Frank Thomas.

I do. Frank Thomas never used PED's (as far as we know) The Cubs won the 2003 NLDS over the Braves while almost 1/2 their roster was 'roided up. (see the list of the 108 players that flunked their drug test) Now they point their fingers at Manny and blame him for their 2008 loss. Incredible! :angry:

Fenway
04-09-2011, 11:08 AM
That would be difficult.

Gammons was in utter shock on the NESN postgame about how STUPID he was to get caught again.

Junior and Frank look like the only clean sluggers of the era now.

gobears1987
04-09-2011, 11:25 AM
Gammons was in utter shock on the NESN postgame about how STUPID he was to get caught again.

Junior and Frank look like the only clean sluggers of the era now.

http://www.tonydellobaseball.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jim_thome-sox.jpg

Don't forget me!

rowand33
04-09-2011, 11:26 AM
Came into this thread looking for discussion/jokes about Manny's retirement. Left shaking my head at the things some people on this forum are concerned about.

KMcMahon817
04-09-2011, 11:41 AM
Sorry if this has been posted already. Merkin's article says the SOX still owe Manny 3.3M in 2013...I thought we all concluded that the deferred money was all the responsibility of the Dodgers...?:scratch:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110408&content_id=17508836&notebook_id=17523986&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws

Wsoxmike59
04-09-2011, 12:20 PM
Came into this thread looking for discussion/jokes about Manny's retirement. Left shaking my head at the things some people on this forum are concerned about.

I came to the thread for just the same thing, and thought I would add to the festivities and levity by posting .....you won't believe how the Tribune managed to spin this kind of link and I was dumbfounded that I was called out on it by another poster.

I was never a fan of Manny, but I just couldn't let the Tribune get away with what they were dishing. I called them on it, but in turn I got called on it. Had to defend my position.

That is all.

doublem23
04-09-2011, 12:26 PM
I came to the thread for just the same thing, and thought I would add to the festivities and levity by posting .....you won't believe how the Tribune managed to spin this kind of link and I was dumbfounded that I was called out on it by another poster.

I was never a fan of Manny, but I just couldn't let the Tribune get away with what they were dishing. I called them on it, but in turn I got called on it. Had to defend my position.

That is all.

You didn't just get called on it by "another poster," you got called out on it by someone who works in the industry. Perhaps you'd like to post your job responsibilities so we can all anonymously tell you that you suck at your job?

Manny is an ex-Sox player, it's the local spin. The Trib just spent 2-3 days trashing the Cubs because their park was dead during their Opening homestead, so AT WORST, right now they're being equal opportunity abusers... Isn't that what we all wanted back in the 90s and early 00s?

Gavin
04-09-2011, 01:08 PM
You didn't just get called on it by "another poster," you got called out on it by someone who works in the industry. Perhaps you'd like to post your job responsibilities so we can all anonymously tell you that you suck at your job??

I didn't realize that just because someone does something at their job that the practice of what they do is immune from criticism. Perhaps I'll stop criticizing anybody who does anything so long as they are being paid to do it and they're "in the industry" and I'm not. Might as well shut down the internet.

soltrain21
04-09-2011, 01:13 PM
Unrepresentative and irresponsible is still unrepresentative and irresponsible, even if it's what your bosses tell you what to do.

I didn't realize that just because someone does something at their job that the practice of what they do is immune from criticism. Perhaps I'll stop criticizing anybody who does anything so long as they are being paid to do it and they're "in the industry" and I'm not. Might as well shut down the internet.

What in the living **** have I done to you for you to criticize how I do my job? Where do you work? I'll be sure to tell you how "irresponsible" you are.

I was explaining how a newsroom works at certain times. I wasn't aware it was going to lead to me getting told that I'm "irresponsible" at my job or deserve criticism.

Fenway
04-09-2011, 01:16 PM
Wouldn't a photo of Manny in a Rays uniform be MORE CURRENT, since he most recently PLAYED FOR THEM????????????

Both Boston papers showed him in a TB uniform.

Nick Cafardo unloaded on him in the Globe
http://mobile.boston.com/art/52/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/04/09/positively_baffling_end_to_a_career/

Wsoxmike59
04-09-2011, 01:21 PM
You didn't just get called on it by "another poster," you got called out on it by someone who works in the industry. Perhaps you'd like to post your job responsibilities so we can all anonymously tell you that you suck at your job?



Big deal, he works in the industry. That doesn't make his POV any more relevent or right than mine does it?


Sweet Jeebus some of you people need to lighten the **** up. I was only "poking the bear" (The Tribune) for their ridiculous headline.

soltrain21
04-09-2011, 01:24 PM
Big deal, he works in the industry. That doesn't make his POV any more relevent or right than mine does it?


Sweet Jeebus some of you people need to lighten the **** up. I was only "poking the bear" (The Tribune) for their ridiculous headline.

I wasn't giving a "point of view." I was telling you how a newsroom sometimes operates under a deadline and why they picked that picture to give it a local spin.

Wsoxmike59
04-09-2011, 01:27 PM
I understand. But I still think the Trib's ulterior motive is to portray the Sox in a less than flattering light.

No hard feelings Soltrain, I'm not mad or anything....I just came here to make light of Manny's situation and I didn't think it would blow up in to all this.

truce? I'm ready to let this die.

soltrain21
04-09-2011, 01:31 PM
I understand. But I still think the Trib's ulterior motive is to portray the Sox in a less than flattering light.

No hard feelings Soltrain, I'm not mad or anything....I just came here to make light of Manny's situation and I didn't think it would blow up in to all this.

truce? I'm ready to let this die.

It's cool. It's just stressful to hear all of the gripes about the media when, a lot of times, it's people with good intentions or things happening outside of their control. Let's hug it out.

SephClone89
04-09-2011, 01:45 PM
It's cool. It's just stressful to hear all of the gripes about the media when, a lot of times, it's people with good intentions or things happening outside of their control. Let's hug it out.

Count me in as someone who finds it annoying at how many people complain about/fail to understand the media.

Brian26
04-09-2011, 02:25 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0409-bits-cubs-brewers-chicago20110408,0,6869529.story

More garbage from the Cubune. Blaming Manny for the fact they still haven't won a World Series. :rolleyes:

I don't see how that's any different than Sox fans here refusing to acknowledge Jason Giambi won the AL MVP in 2000 over Frank Thomas.

Oh, I think there's a big difference.

With the latter, you're talking about an individual post-season reward that most Sox fans don't have a large emotional investment in, and nothing Giambi did on the field indites Frank as a worse performer.

With the former, you're looking at a blanket excuse by Cubbie-fandom for the poor showing in the playoffs by an entire team and franchise. It's almost ridiculous to think one hitter (PEDs or not) could single-handidly be responsible for the defeat of an entire 25-man team in three straight games, especially a team that was supposed to be so good.

Yeah, in this case I agree with the eyeroll. Just a ridiculous hypothesis on Sullivan's part. Embarrassing work.

Hitmen77
04-09-2011, 03:40 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0409-bits-cubs-brewers-chicago20110408,0,6869529.story

More garbage from the Cubune. Blaming Manny for the fact they still haven't won a World Series. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I saw that too and the rolleyes was my reaction too. All the Cubs ever do is make up excuses and find scapegoats for their own incompetence.

TaylorStSox
04-10-2011, 11:31 AM
I see the conspiracy theorists are out in full force. :?:

doublem23
04-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Big deal, he works in the industry. That doesn't make his POV any more relevent or right than mine does it?


Sweet Jeebus some of you people need to lighten the **** up. I was only "poking the bear" (The Tribune) for their ridiculous headline.

Actually, yeah, it does.

Sweet Jeebus, you need to lighten the **** up about the fact that not every single person in the world automatically agrees with every opinion you have.

Ex-Chicagoan
04-13-2011, 11:18 AM
Count me in as someone who finds it annoying at how many people complain about/fail to understand the media.

Right there with you.

"Journalism largely consists of saying 'Lord Jones is Dead' to people who never knew that Lord Jones was alive." - G. K. Chesterton

Crooked Number
04-13-2011, 12:45 PM
Attention Whitesox fans: If you are the owner of a Manny Ramirez 99 jersey t-shirt please do not wear it to the park. I saw you outside gate 4 Sunday. This is for your own health and safety. Thank you.

C-Dawg
04-13-2011, 03:03 PM
Attention Whitesox fans: If you are the owner of a Manny Ramirez 99 jersey t-shirt please do not wear it to the park.

LOL Perhaps they're on sale at a ridiculous price! I think 99 cents would be good.