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PatK
04-07-2011, 04:18 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-four-corners-0407,0,5419869.column

I thought the Trib no longer owned the Cubs?

Ex-Chicagoan
04-07-2011, 04:22 PM
"more bad things seem to happen near U.S. Cellular Field than Wrigley Field in Chicago."

Except, of course, for fans being shot and killed after games, a stat in which Wrigley still leads.

Idiot.

manders_01
04-07-2011, 04:22 PM
Wow, really? Referring to incidents that happened 8 and 9 years ago??? :rolleyes:

thomas35forever
04-07-2011, 04:22 PM
Wow, really? Referring to incidents that happened 8 and 9 years ago??? :rolleyes:
Beat me to it.

Lip Man 1
04-07-2011, 04:28 PM
Tribune still owns 5% of the club.

Guess Phil didn't bother to check the official statistics from the Chicago Police Department on the number of crimes committed in Bridgeport compared to Wrigleyville.

Lip

TheOldRoman
04-07-2011, 04:38 PM
Guess Phil didn't bother to check the official statistics from the Chicago Police Department on the number of crimes committed in Bridgeport compared to Wrigleyville.Moron Cubs fan to me: "Sure, there's more crime around Wrigley because there is so much money there. It isn't a poor ghetto. People go where the money is to commit crimes."

So, I guess getting mugged, raped or even killed is okay as long as it comes with hubris and an inflated sense of self-worth.

VMSNS
04-07-2011, 04:49 PM
My brother's girlfriend had her car stolen in Wrigleyville just last week.

But it's okay, Wrigleyville is safe and Bridgeport is a ghetto.

Hitmen77
04-07-2011, 04:57 PM
ah yes, who among us can really ever forget those two isolated incidences at the Cell nearly a decade ago. Two idiots from 9 years ago among the millions more that have passed through the turnstyles since then certainly proves that US Cellular is one of MLB's more dangerous parks - then, now, and forever more.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

oh, while running onto the field is certainly a deplorable offense, how does that make the park "unsafe" for other fans? :scratch:


As far as Phil's comment goes, he's technically right. When it's spun by the media it does SEEM that more bad things happen at the Cell.

MarySwiss
04-07-2011, 05:49 PM
When I saw the thread title, I figured the article had to be about Wrigley. You know, the stadium that's actually falling apart?

soltrain21
04-07-2011, 06:58 PM
ah yes, who among us can really ever forget those two isolated incidences at the Cell nearly a decade ago. Two idiots from 9 years ago among the millions more that have passed through the turnstyles since then certainly proves that US Cellular is one of MLB's more dangerous parks - then, now, and forever more.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

oh, while running onto the field is certainly a deplorable offense, how does that make the park "unsafe" for other fans? :scratch:


As far as Phil's comment goes, he's technically right. When it's spun by the media is does SEEM that more bad things happen at the Cell.

Wasn't there a Cubs fan a few years ago that rant onto the field looking like he was going to attack Howry but got tackled by security when he was about two feet away from him?

TommyJohn
04-07-2011, 07:16 PM
Wasn't there a Cubs fan a few years ago that rant onto the field looking like he was going to attack Howry but got tackled by security when he was about two feet away from him?


Yes, and he was the second fan to run out onto the field in June of 2007. And a moron did it in 2006. ANd let's not forget all the instances of trash-throwing, and how Steve Bartman had to be escorted out of the park, and Shane Victorino's beer shower, etc, etc, etc.

pmck003
04-07-2011, 08:05 PM
What constitutes violence - voluntary/forced vomiting Cub/Philly style or only actual stabbings?

manders_01
04-07-2011, 08:11 PM
When I saw the thread title, I figured the article had to be about Wrigley. You know, the stadium that's actually falling apart?

LOL I thought the same thing Mary. Non-compliant stairs and ramps, structural issues, etc.

Brian26
04-07-2011, 08:12 PM
In the past week...literally in the past week, there has been a murder and a rape within blocks of Wrigley, as reported in the Tribune.

SI1020
04-07-2011, 08:13 PM
Don't forget about this incident.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/29/sports/baseball-fan-tussles-with-myers-on-field.html?pagewanted=1

tebman
04-07-2011, 08:17 PM
Where's George Knue (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=71644&highlight=knue) when we need him?

:duck:

Lip Man 1
04-07-2011, 08:23 PM
TJ:

From my "Sox and the Media" story:

"September 28, 1995 – Cub relief pitcher Randy Myers was attacked on the mound by 27 year old John Murray after giving up a home run to a member of the Astros. Myers used his kung fu training to handle the attacker.

May 16, 2000 – Dodger catcher Chad Kreuter, sitting in the bullpen in right field, had his head slapped and his hat stolen by a fan that ran up into the stands. Kreuter and some of his teammates charged into the stands and an ugly fight ensued. Arrests and suspensions followed.

June 26, 2007 – After giving up a three run home run to the Rockies, Cub relief pitcher Bob Howry saw a fan run out of the stands and charge towards him. The fan, Brent Kowalkoski, was tackled right before he stepped on the mound area.

Former Cub players LaTroy Hawkins, Milton Bradley and Jacques Jones accused Wrigley fans of racial insults and throwing items at them.

On at least two occasions Cub games had to be stopped and security and cleanup crews had to go on to the field to pick up numerous amounts of garbage thrown from out of the bleachers.

And there was the terrible situation where a fan was murdered near Wrigley Field soon after a Cub game but newspaper accounts afterwards never mentioned ‘Wrigleyville’ the term used by all for the area. Instead a more obscure name was used to describe the neighborhood where the incident took place. By contrast when the Sox had the two incidents take place the name of their stadium and the neighborhood, Bridgeport, was prominently mentioned and mentioned for days afterwards including when the Ligue’s and Dybas had their legal day in court.

Mentioning Dybas also brought up another point which left many, even non-conspiratorial individuals wondering what may have been going on.

The following day after the incident both Dybas’ girlfriend, Kelly Sherwood and his roommate, said on various Chicago radio stations that they were shocked that Dybas was even at a Sox game. Both said he was a dedicated Cub fan who had been drinking heavily at the afternoon Cub game before deciding to go to the Sox game that night. These facts on the individual never seemed to make it into print leaving the impression to many that Dybas was just another ‘white trash, stupid Sox fan.’

This is not to accuse the media of wrong doing, they reported the incidents as they saw fit but certainly the way it was reported didn’t appear to tell the entire story and the way they reported the incidents that happened at Wrigley Field appeared to be of a very different nature then the tone that was used in the White Sox situations. It aroused suspicions on the part of many Sox fans.

One final point about the entire ‘bad neighborhood,’ ‘bad fans’ mantra that seems to have followed the White Sox franchise around since the race riots of the mid 1960’s. According to official Chicago Police Department reports, the area around U.S. Cellular Field has had less crime and incidents than the area around Wrigley Field. Yet Sox fans point out, that never seems to make its way into media stories."

Lip

chisoxfanatic
04-07-2011, 08:38 PM
One final point about the entire ‘bad neighborhood,’ ‘bad fans’ mantra that seems to have followed the White Sox franchise around since the race riots of the mid 1960’s. According to official Chicago Police Department reports, the area around U.S. Cellular Field has had less crime and incidents than the area around Wrigley Field. Yet Sox fans point out, that never seems to make its way into media stories."

Lip
My mom has told me at least several times that she's glad that I moved to this neighborhood instead of Lakeview, which was the other neighborhood I was looking at for apartments. I'm glad I made the decision too. It's a great neighborhood.

RadioheadRocks
04-07-2011, 09:12 PM
:rolleyes:

and that's all I'm gonna say

kittle42
04-07-2011, 10:13 PM
Lakeview is a great place to live, and I will gladly stand by that statement when I get beaten unmercifully someday.

chisoxfanatic
04-07-2011, 10:23 PM
Lakeview is a great place to live, and I will gladly stand by that statement when I get beaten unmercifully someday.
It may be, but it's just not as great as my neighborhood. :redneck

DumpJerry
04-07-2011, 10:30 PM
What makes a neighborhood "great" is 100% subjective, so I see no conclusion to the "my 'hood is better than yours" argument.

kittle42
04-07-2011, 10:57 PM
What makes a neighborhood "great" is 100% subjective, so I see no conclusion to the "my 'hood is better than yours" argument.

Given the attempt at humor in my first post and the response, I don't think there is an argument.

cards press box
04-07-2011, 11:13 PM
Tribune still owns 5% of the club.

Guess Phil didn't bother to check the official statistics from the Chicago Police Department on the number of crimes committed in Bridgeport compared to Wrigleyville.

Lip

Does Phil even go to the games at either park?

DSpivack
04-08-2011, 12:26 AM
Just one of the many reasons I will never give them one dime of my money.

ChiSoxGirl
04-08-2011, 07:34 AM
When I saw the thread title, I figured the article had to be about Wrigley. You know, the stadium that's actually falling apart?

I thought the same thing. I figured the article would focus on structural deficiencies, particularly at the Shrine. But, alas... they chose to go the classic Tribune route of drudging up details of incidents that occurred at Comiskey Park back in the early 2000s. Typical. :rolleyes:

doublem23
04-08-2011, 08:10 AM
Tribune still owns 5% of the club.

Guess Phil didn't bother to check the official statistics from the Chicago Police Department on the number of crimes committed in Bridgeport compared to Wrigleyville.

Lip

I know this is our general take on the numbers everytime we see someone slam the neighborhood, and I agree Bridgeport and the surrounding areas have undergone massive transformation in the past 10 years, but I think per capita there isn't much difference. Obviously more crime happens in Wrigleyville than Bridgeport, there's a lot more people there. The Cell is basically in the middle of nothing, there's an 8-lane expressway on one side, a giant railroad overpass on the other, and oh yeah, it's in the middle of a sea of parking lots.

bigsoxfan420
04-08-2011, 08:20 AM
Nothing like the word "seem" to denote stellar journalism.

jdm2662
04-08-2011, 09:07 AM
I know this is our general take on the numbers everytime we see someone slam the neighborhood, and I agree Bridgeport and the surrounding areas have undergone massive transformation in the past 10 years, but I think per capita there isn't much difference. Obviously more crime happens in Wrigleyville than Bridgeport, there's a lot more people there. The Cell is basically in the middle of nothing, there's an 8-lane expressway on one side, a giant railroad overpass on the other, and oh yeah, it's in the middle of a sea of parking lots.

If people would say it's a quiet/boring, etc. neighboorhood, I'm not quite sure many Sox fans would take offense to that. Because, really, it's not a place where you would go out for a night on the town. There are a few places to hang out at, but I wouldn't call it a happening place. That suits perfectly for me as a good night out if to sit in a sports bar, drink bar, and watch games.

Back in 2000, I was just getting back into the baseball scene after finally getting over the strike. Of course, we all know what time this was to be a Sox fan. All I ever heard how "dangerous" the Sox neighboorhood is and how awesome Wrigley is. Well, one night, I drove down to the park by myself to meet up with some friends. This was the first time I ever driven down to the park. So, I wasn't quite fimilar with the surroundings or anything. (Hell, the only part of the city I knew anything about was Jefferson Park because my grandparents lived there.) I just knew take the Ryan to 31st/35th St. Well, after the game, I took a wrong turn on 31st Street. I ended up driving in the heart of the neighborhood. After a few blocks, I'm like, um, where is the Dan Ryan???? I was wondering what was so "ghetto" about Bridgeport. It was far from it. I was able to go into a gas station and ask where is the Ryan, and I simply just made a wrong turn. Since I'm from Hillside/Proviso Township, I think I have an idea on what "ghetto" is per say. That was not it. It sure as hell wasn't Bellwood or Maywood, or hell, even Hillside.

The Immigrant
04-08-2011, 09:54 AM
Man, this is a whole lot of hullaballoo over a stupid comment by Phil Rogers that didn't even appear in the print edition of the paper. Send him an email if you're pissed off.

Calling this bit of online commentary an "article" is really misleading, IMO.

Fenway
04-08-2011, 10:43 AM
How on earth did the Fenway 'pizza' slice get mentioned?
BTW the pizza was thrown at another fan, not a player.

I have been mugged once in my life and it was at Belmont and Broadway at Midnight.

dickallen15
04-08-2011, 10:48 AM
Moron Cubs fan to me: "Sure, there's more crime around Wrigley because there is so much money there. It isn't a poor ghetto. People go where the money is to commit crimes."

So, I guess getting mugged, raped or even killed is okay as long as it comes with hubris and an inflated sense of self-worth.

With that "logic" they are spewing, it would be safer to live in Englewood than the Gold Coast.

CLUBHOUSE KID
04-18-2011, 09:52 AM
With that "logic" they are spewing, it would be safer to live in Englewood than the Gold Coast.

lol that is funny. But I live in Bridgeport and it is fine. My fathers parents live by Wrigley and they are not fans of what happens on game days. People really know nothing about Bridgeport it seems.

Jerko
04-18-2011, 10:05 AM
If only there were a cartoon to show how bad the southside is.....

Soxfest
04-18-2011, 04:59 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-four-corners-0407,0,5419869.column

I thought the Trib no longer owned the Cubs?

Actually the Tribune is still a small minority owner of the Cubs!

slavko
04-19-2011, 10:49 AM
My brother's girlfriend had her car stolen in Wrigleyville just last week.

But it's okay, Wrigleyville is safe and Bridgeport is a ghetto.

Now you went and reminded me. My 2 next door neighbors had cars stolen within a week of each other while attending Cubs games (sometime in the 90's), one off the street, one out of an attended lot. One was never recovered.