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thomas35forever
04-05-2011, 11:43 PM
An overall bad night in Chicago sports. Yeah, the Bulls won, but they almost let it get away.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-05-2011, 11:43 PM
Thanks, Lillibridge.

SephClone89
04-05-2011, 11:44 PM
At least Beckham's still a badass.

Boondock Saint
04-05-2011, 11:44 PM
:chunks:

GoGoCrede
04-05-2011, 11:44 PM
And it all looked so promising in the 1st. Oh well. Let me grab my popcorn.

1989
04-05-2011, 11:44 PM
So far 2011 looks like 2010

OmahaSoxFan
04-05-2011, 11:44 PM
Well that was predictable... after Lillibridge's **** up, you had to figure the Royals would walk the Sox off in the bottom of the 12th... :angry::angry::angry:

What is with the Royals being a Royal pain in the ass to the White Sox!

JermaineDye05
04-05-2011, 11:44 PM
There aren't enough faces and palms in the world.

Melky, I'm coming to your house tonight and burning all of your bats. Then I'm sending an email to Dayton Moore saying that you're demanding a trade to Japan.

SoxSpeed22
04-05-2011, 11:44 PM
It's games like this that cost us the division last year.
We just have to win the other one.

DirtySox
04-05-2011, 11:44 PM
I still am dumbfounded at Lillibridge getting picked off. Terrible.

Also, I loathe Tony Pena.

ShoelessJoeS
04-05-2011, 11:44 PM
Thanks, Lillibridge.Sale didn't come with his best performance, either.

Blueprint1
04-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Bullpen better get better or we are not going anywhere.

Domeshot17
04-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Can we please just have Brandon Allen Back?

Well ok, can we just send Tony Pena back to Arizona for free?

kittle42
04-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Aside from a little hitting, just a horrible game all around. Looks like a lot of games we played against KC the past 5 years.

PeteWard
04-05-2011, 11:45 PM
I was so sure the Sox were going to score there. Disgusting mental error dooms them.

JermaineDye05
04-05-2011, 11:45 PM
So far 2011 looks like 2010

It's still only four games. As rough as this game was, it's still VERY early.

Soxman219
04-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Gavin sucked

OmahaSoxFan
04-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Aside from a little hitting, just a horrible game all around. Looks like a lot of games we played against KC the past 5 years.

Sad, but all too true... :mad:

GoGoCrede
04-05-2011, 11:46 PM
So far 2011 looks like 2010

Oh please.

RadioheadRocks
04-05-2011, 11:46 PM
Well that was a nice, hot, steaming pile of SUCK!!!!! :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

russ99
04-05-2011, 11:46 PM
You can't give games away like that, especially in the division.

Hopefully our pitching staff wakes up from their long winter's nap soon.

Santos has been the lone bright spot.

soxnut1018
04-05-2011, 11:46 PM
That sucked.

FielderJones
04-05-2011, 11:46 PM
It's annoying that we caught the Royals in this lucky streak now, but you know they're going to be 20+ games back by the end of July.

soltrain21
04-05-2011, 11:46 PM
Aside from a little hitting, just a horrible game all around. Looks like a lot of games we played against KC the past 5 years.

Exactly. That was a number of games from the last 4-5 years.

DrCrawdad
04-05-2011, 11:47 PM
Well that was predictable... after Lillibridge's **** up, you had to figure the Royals would walk the Sox off in the bottom of the 12th... :angry::angry::angry:

What is with the Royals being a Royal pain in the ass to the White Sox!

:chunks:

Exactly my feelings.

Soxfest
04-05-2011, 11:47 PM
I loathe Pena he is always giving up a run everytime he takes the mound last 2 years.

JermaineDye05
04-05-2011, 11:47 PM
I feel bad for Ranger. The night's just getting started for him.

thomas35forever
04-05-2011, 11:47 PM
Exactly. That was a number of games from the last 4-5 years.
I almost hate playing in Kansas City as much as I do in Minnesota.

ChiSoxGal85
04-05-2011, 11:47 PM
That Lillibridge pick-off was equivalent of the triple play the other night in Cleveland. A momentum- and game-changer. Ugh, Ugh, Ugh. :angry:

Nelfox02
04-05-2011, 11:47 PM
no doubt we deserved that. very dissapointing, after such a promising start with the bats.....Gavin sucked but then righted the ship out of nowhere....and the pen stirkes again. Crain and Santos were sharp....but as I mentioned in the game thread we offended the baseball gods via Lillibridge getting picked off....then you see Pena come out?

this game was very typical of what we have come to expect from this team the last few years.

better team won the game today.

thomas35forever
04-05-2011, 11:48 PM
That Lillibridge pick-off was equivalent of the triple play the other night in Cleveland. A momentum- and game-changer. Ugh, Ugh, Ugh. :angry:
As bad as the triple play was, tonight's pick-off was mental, which is a lot worse IMO.

Domeshot17
04-05-2011, 11:48 PM
Even after the pick off, As soon as Pena was in, you knew the game was over.

Tony Pena is the living, breathing equivalency of the White Flag

Brian26
04-05-2011, 11:48 PM
I loathe Pena he is always giving up a run everytime he takes the mound last 2 years.

Except when he started on short rest in the doubleheader in KC last August and pitched great, but who cares about facts when you have hyperbole.

Crooked Number
04-05-2011, 11:49 PM
This is definitely one of those you look back on when the team is down two games in a pennant race with a few games to go.

Glad we got to add another notch to the Royals win in the last at bat streak!

Pitching Positives:
Gavin settled down and pitched very well after his shaky start.
Good outings by Crain and Santos

SephClone89
04-05-2011, 11:49 PM
I loathe Pena he is always giving up a run everytime he takes the mound last 2 years.

Well, I dunno about that...

JermaineDye05
04-05-2011, 11:49 PM
no doubt we deserved that. very dissapointing, after such a promising start with the bats.....Gavin sucked but then righted the ship out of nowhere....and the pen stirkes again. Crain and Santos were sharp....but as I mentioned in the game thread we offended the baseball gods via Lillibridge getting picked off....then you see Pena come out?

this game was very typical of what we have come to expect from this team the last few years.

better team won the game today.

I'd tweak that to say the team that executed better won. The Sox are clearly the better team.

thomas35forever
04-05-2011, 11:49 PM
This is definitely one of those you look back on when the team is down two games in a pennant race with a few games to go.
I can't believe these posts are popping up after the fourth game of the season. The sad thing is I find it hard to disagree with them.

AnkleSox
04-05-2011, 11:49 PM
Ozzie must be the only person in the world that thinks Tony Pena is a major league baseball pitcher.

VMSNS
04-05-2011, 11:50 PM
Here's what I took away from that game...

- Lillibridge. Just....wow.
- Pena sucks
- Santos was filthy
- Pitching overall just needs to be stronger

I don't care if KC is off to a hot start, they're still not a great team. If the Sox want to have any chance of winning this year, they need to put it away against division opponents, especially the garbage teams.

PeteWard
04-05-2011, 11:50 PM
That Lillibridge pick-off was equivalent of the triple play the other night in Cleveland. A momentum- and game-changer. Ugh, Ugh, Ugh. :angry:

Much worse. Cleveland ended up blowing the Sox out anyway. Lili was the go-ahead run in extras. Also the bunt was lousy but it wasn't so utterly STUPID on Alexei's part. This one totally pisses me off.

Boondock Saint
04-05-2011, 11:50 PM
Alex Gordon picked a really ****ty time to finally look like a #2 overall pick.

edit: Had the pick wrong.

soltrain21
04-05-2011, 11:50 PM
Get rid of the ****ing patch on the jersey.

russ99
04-05-2011, 11:51 PM
Even after the pick off, As soon as Pena was in, you knew the game was over.

Tony Pena is the living, breathing equivalency of the White Flag

Wouldn't go that far, but the guy sure seems good in mop-up but useless in relief. Sadly we already used our other 3 decent relievers, with Thornton in reserve since we're on the road.

Would you have preferred Ohman?

My only consolation is that you can be sure Kenny will do something about it if the pen still stinks this bad by the end of the month.

AnkleSox
04-05-2011, 11:51 PM
In other news the Royals just won the world series tonight.

SephClone89
04-05-2011, 11:51 PM
Ozzie must be the only person in the world that thinks Tony Pena is a major league baseball pitcher.

:rolleyes:

GoGoCrede
04-05-2011, 11:52 PM
Get rid of the ****ing patch on the jersey.

Yeah. Not to hijack the thread, but I never cared about the patch controversy at all till I actually saw it tonight. Ugh. Do not want.

SephClone89
04-05-2011, 11:52 PM
Get rid of the ****ing patch on the jersey.

:rolling:

Crooked Number
04-05-2011, 11:52 PM
I can't believe these posts are popping up after the fourth game of the season. The sad thing is I find it hard to disagree with them.

I'm not darkclouding or sky is falling here with that statement, Sunday's game was one of the 60 you lose. Tonight was in the "other 42" category for sure.

We are getting tremendous run support for our starters, seem to have trouble pitching with leads. Too early to call it a trend, but its a bit concerning.

RockJock07
04-05-2011, 11:52 PM
It's still only four games. As rough as this game was, it's still VERY early.

While i agree with that the Sox have given games away vs Cleveland and KC for a number of years now, has to stop.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-05-2011, 11:53 PM
In other news the Royals just won the world series tonight.

Yay, they and the other 14 people in the stands can go celebrate.

God, this one hurts.

Soxfest
04-05-2011, 11:53 PM
Except when he started on short rest in the doubleheader in KC last September and pitched great, but who cares about facts when you have hyperbole.


Go look at his relief apperances last year he gave up a run many times just the truth.

Nelfox02
04-05-2011, 11:53 PM
Wouldn't go that far, but the guy sure seems good in mop-up but useless in relief. Sadly we already used our other 3 decent relievers, with Thornton in reserve since we're on the road.

Would you have preferred Ohman?

My only consolation is that you can be sure Kenny will do something about it if the pen still stinks this bad by the end of the month.


what can Kenny do? is there anyone on the farm you would want to see up here?

russ99
04-05-2011, 11:54 PM
:rolling:

Especially since MLB uniforms need to be approved the previous summer in advance. Patch ain't going anywhere.

I miss the diamond-sock too (it's on my current hat) but we'll get used to the patch, at least this year before Brooks brings it back due to overwhelming fan demand.

amsteel
04-05-2011, 11:54 PM
The Sox have scored 6 of their 30 runs in the 5th inning or later. A little more consistency throughout the game would be nice.

Nelfox02
04-05-2011, 11:55 PM
really need to get a W tomorrow, at least bring a winning road trip home. First "tough" loss of the season, I mean sunday sucked but this is the first punch in the gut loss.

forgot how these felt

thomas35forever
04-05-2011, 11:55 PM
Our bullpen ERA is now 10.21. How about that to start the season?

russ99
04-05-2011, 11:55 PM
what can Kenny do? is there anyone on the farm you would want to see up here?

I said end of the month, implying that's the soonest that teams make trades at the beginning of the season.

But sure, Bruney and Infante looked decent this spring. Can't hurt to keep these guys accountable.

soltrain21
04-05-2011, 11:55 PM
Wouldn't go that far, but the guy sure seems good in mop-up but useless in relief. Sadly we already used our other 3 decent relievers, with Thornton in reserve since we're on the road.

Would you have preferred Ohman?

My only consolation is that you can be sure Kenny will do something about it if the pen still stinks this bad by the end of the month.

And this is when having absolutely no depth in the minors hurts you. Can't call anybody up and you have no trade bait.

OmahaSoxFan
04-05-2011, 11:56 PM
In other news the Royals just won the world series tonight.

LOL! Well for a perennial bottom dweller in the AL Central, you have to say it had to be pretty exciting for them to get a fourth straight walk-off win against over what are considered to be "much stronger" teams.

The Royals don't have half the talent that the Sox have (or that the Angels have either)... but they are playing good enough baseball to win, and putting themselves in position to win at the end of games. They narrowly missed a walk-off home run on Thursday night (the Royals' Opening Day) as well.

cws05champ
04-05-2011, 11:56 PM
I hope Lillibridge gets ripped a new one....he is on this team mainly for the purpose he was in there today. And you **** it up???

As soon as I saw Pena come in I knew....

And bad game and bullpen management again by Ozzie. How do you keep Sale in there against their best RH hitter in Butler in the 8th?

PeteWard
04-05-2011, 11:56 PM
It could be worse. We could be the Red Sox.

Nelfox02
04-05-2011, 11:57 PM
Our bullpen ERA is now 10.21. How about that to start the season?


dissapointing, but not shocking. on paper our pen is pretty iffy.....I think nearly everone would have listed it as a concern going into the season.....

DirtySox
04-05-2011, 11:57 PM
is there anyone on the farm you would want to see up here?

Nope.

Corlose 15
04-05-2011, 11:58 PM
As, the Sox took the lead in the 1st I had the thought, "It would be just like them to piss this game away in KC".:rolleyes:


Typical bull**** White Sox loss against a ****ty team like the Royals.

Boondock Saint
04-05-2011, 11:58 PM
I hope Lillibridge gets ripped a new one....he is on this team mainly for the purpose he was in there today. And you **** it up???

As soon as I saw Pena come in I knew....

And bad game and bullpen management again by Ozzie. How do you keep Sale in there against their best RH hitter in Butler in the 8th?

Because Chris Sale isn't a LOOGY. He's expected to get batters out, regardless of handedness or power.

Boondock Saint
04-06-2011, 12:00 AM
As, the Sox took the lead in the 1st I had the thought, "It would be just like them to piss this game away in KC".:rolleyes:


Typical bull**** White Sox loss against a ****ty team like the Royals.

I **** you not, after the top of the 1st inning, I texted my buddy about how it's a good sign that we aren't screwing things up against the Royals like we have in previous years.

RockJock07
04-06-2011, 12:00 AM
I hope Lillibridge gets ripped a new one....he is on this team mainly for the purpose he was in there today. And you **** it up???

As soon as I saw Pena come in I knew....

And bad game and bullpen management again by Ozzie. How do you keep Sale in there against their best RH hitter in Butler in the 8th?

I disagree with that, If the sox were up in the 9th inning and Thornton had to come in with Butler on deck should ozzie take him out? No, Sale is just as nasty, I'm cool with him facing Butler.

bobelou72
04-06-2011, 12:02 AM
Really People it's only the 4th game of the year get a grip

Corlose 15
04-06-2011, 12:03 AM
I disagree with that, If the sox were up in the 9th inning and Thornton had to come in with Butler on deck should ozzie take him out? No, Sale is just as nasty, I'm cool with him facing Butler.

The game set up in the 8th inning exactly the way the Sox would like. Floyd went 7 and handed a lead off to the pen. If Sale is going to be the LH setup guy he's going to have to get both righties and lefties out. He got behind both Gordon and Butler and grooved fastballs to both.

Boondock Saint
04-06-2011, 12:04 AM
Really People it's only the 4th game of the year get a grip

****ing up a game you should easily win is going to piss me off whether it's April or September.

Corlose 15
04-06-2011, 12:06 AM
Really People it's only the 4th game of the year get a grip

I can see you're new to WSI, this is pretty tame for a postgame thread.

SephClone89
04-06-2011, 12:06 AM
Oh, Ranger postgames.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-06-2011, 12:06 AM
Really People it's only the 4th game of the year get a grip

Actually, people are taking this one relatively well.

A ****ty team on a lucky streak took advantage of a absolutely boneheaded play on the basepaths by our pinch runner, who is only on the team BECAUSE he can run the bases.

Considering the events, it's actually pretty low-key in here.

RockJock07
04-06-2011, 12:07 AM
Really People it's only the 4th game of the year get a grip

That is a bs excuse for fans and teams to hide behind. Stop losing games vs. the Indians, O's, and, Royals.

I don't want to take the time to look up what the sox record was vs. those teams last year but I know it was a losing one which is unacceptable no matter what time of year.

WhiteSox5187
04-06-2011, 12:07 AM
A couple of things, one Lillibridge should be on a bus to Charlotte TONIGHT. he can't hit, can't field, and also can't run the bases evidently. It is inexcusable for the go ahead run to get picked off of SECOND. Secondly, Tony Pena sucks but everyone here knows that. There is a reason he is the last guy the Sox go to. Thirdly, this bullpen scares me. I know it is early but Ohman sucks and has for awhile, Sale is young, this is Santos' second year pitching in professional baseball and Thornton is learning a new role. Outside of Thornton (who might struggle) and Crain there is no one I have confidence in.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-06-2011, 12:10 AM
Outside of Thornton (who might struggle) and Crain there is no one I have confidence in.

Santos has looked pretty solid...I'd argue that I have less confidence in Thornton's ability to close than Santos in his setup role.

Lip Man 1
04-06-2011, 12:14 AM
Random Thoughts:

I'm really, really, REALLY beginning to hate extra inning games in Kansas City (think back to last year) especially when you have to play an afternoon game the next day.

I think it was someone on Chicago Tribune Live! Thursday who made the comment about "playing Cleveland and Kansas City is a gift, compared to the rest of the division..." Apparently it's a "gift" the Sox don't want.

Looks like the guys really worked on fundamentals again this spring (LOL) Bunt into a triple play and the lead run gets picked off second base tonight.

Bullpen looks shaky.

The Sox need a good start if they want fans to come out in the numbers they are hoping for. The April schedule isn't easy...you can't urinate games away like tonight.

Lip

thomas35forever
04-06-2011, 12:15 AM
That is a bs excuse for fans and teams to hide behind. Stop losing games vs. the Indians, O's, and, Royals.

I don't want to take the time to look up what the sox record was vs. those teams last year but I know it was a losing one which is unacceptable no matter what time of year.
We were a collective 22-21 against those teams last year.

RockJock07
04-06-2011, 12:19 AM
We were a collective 22-21 against those teams last year.

And each of those teams lost 90+ games last season, not good to be only 1 game over .500.

GoGoCrede
04-06-2011, 12:21 AM
I hope this was the team's massive fail for the week, so we can all enjoy seeing them win in person soon. :D:

Lip Man 1
04-06-2011, 12:23 AM
RockJock:

Agreed. Someone is beating the snot out of them. Unfortunately it's not the Sox.

Lip

doublem23
04-06-2011, 12:26 AM
I don't want to take the time to look up what the sox record was vs. those teams last year but I know it was a losing one which is unacceptable no matter what time of year.

It was not.

RockJock07
04-06-2011, 12:29 AM
It was not.

1 game over .500 vs 3 teams that lost 90+ games should be considered a losing record.

PalehosePlanet
04-06-2011, 12:38 AM
Except when he started on short rest in the doubleheader in KC last August and pitched great, but who cares about facts when you have hyperbole.

No ****. He gives up two seeing-eye choppers up the middle and everyone rips him to shreds.

KC is just out their minds lucky right now; we'll get past this. As frustrating as this loss is, everyone needs to calm down.

TDog
04-06-2011, 12:38 AM
That Lillibridge pick-off was equivalent of the triple play the other night in Cleveland. A momentum- and game-changer. Ugh, Ugh, Ugh. :angry:

Sale had more to do with the Sox losing tonight than Lillibridge did. The White Sox should have won this game in nine. Sale should have shut down the Royals in the eighth, and Thornton should have shut them down in the ninth. That's their job. And, really, Floyd did is job. He recovered after a poor start to take the Sox into the 8th with a two-run lead. After the second, he pitched very well, going deeper than any Sox starter this season.

The Royals took care of business after getting a leadoff single in the 12th. They bunted him over and brought him home. Lillibridge was in the game in the top of the 12th because after Beckham led off with the single, Dunn couldn't move him over to second (not that he was going to bunt, although Ramirez would have been bunting if Pierzynski had led off the 11th with a single, and may have crashed the game thread). Lillibridge made a bonehead play, but Guillen had to pinch-run for Dunn in that situation, especially with Dunn at first.

The season is too young to draw any conclusions about the strengths and weaknesses of the team. It appears the Sox offense comes out with a good gameplan in attacking starters but has trouble with relievers. The bullpen has been a weakness, but this roadtrip might not be indicative of what they can do this year.

Still, the dynamics of designating Thornton as the closer may have weakened the bullpen. Last year, the Sox tried to provide Thornton with rest between appearances, and even then, he had to be shut down last in the season. If Santos and Sale don't do what they did last year, the bullpen could be in a world of hurt.

The Royals are playing very well right now. They won three of four against the Angels and now have won four of their first five, all in their last at bat. And their bullpen has been nearly lights out. I don't expect the Royals to carry this very deep into the season, but they are playing with confidence right now.

LoveYourSuit
04-06-2011, 12:51 AM
Baseball is a game of momentum unlike any other. I feel this game was lost in the first inning as soon as we allowed them to comeback with 2 runs after us scoring 4.


Not giving up on Gavin after just one outing, but we need much better from him especially when handed a 4 run lead. Same goes for the other 4 staterters.


Pitching has been beyond awful to start the year.

Hope Buehrle gets us on the right track tomorrow. We need it.

Corlose 15
04-06-2011, 12:57 AM
Baseball is a game of momentum unlike any other. I feel this game was lost in the first inning as soon as we allowed them to comeback with 2 runs after us scoring 4.


Not giving up on Gavin after just one outing, but we need much better from him especially when handed a 4 run lead. Same goes for the other 4 staterters.


Pitching has been beyond awful to start the year.

Hope Buehrle gets us on the right track tomorrow. We need it.

He handed the bullpen a 2 run lead in the 8th inning. What more is he supposed to do? He didn't have a great start but they were in a position to win after he left the game. I was critical of Floyd in the first couple of innings but this loss is not on him.

LoveYourSuit
04-06-2011, 01:07 AM
He handed the bullpen a 2 run lead in the 8th inning. What more is he supposed to do? He didn't have a great start but they were in a position to win after he left the game. I was critical of Floyd in the first couple of innings but this loss is not on him.


The bullpen has sucked ass too so far, don't get me wrong. They get the blame here too.

But my #1 issues in this game is letting the Royals get right back into the game after getting handed a 4-0 lead.

Corlose 15
04-06-2011, 01:10 AM
The bullpen has sucked ass too so far, don't get me wrong. They get the blame here too.

But my #1 issues in this game is letting the Royals get right back into the game after getting handed a 4-0 lead.

Even with that though they still had a 2 run lead in the 8th inning. That's a game they need to win.

I guess my point is that if this start is what to expect from Floyd for his April struggles that I can live with it.

TDog
04-06-2011, 01:24 AM
He handed the bullpen a 2 run lead in the 8th inning. What more is he supposed to do? He didn't have a great start but they were in a position to win after he left the game. I was critical of Floyd in the first couple of innings but this loss is not on him.

Floyd pitched as many shutout innings tonight as Danks pitched on Sunday. After getting off to a rough start, he finished the game pitching well enough to win.

WhiteSox5187
04-06-2011, 01:27 AM
Except when he started on short rest in the doubleheader in KC last August and pitched great, but who cares about facts when you have hyperbole.

I think that one start makes up for his maddening inconsistency and unreliability in middle and late innings.

Boondock Saint
04-06-2011, 01:55 AM
Baseball is a game of momentum unlike any other. I feel this game was lost in the first inning as soon as we allowed them to comeback with 2 runs after us scoring 4.


Not giving up on Gavin after just one outing, but we need much better from him especially when handed a 4 run lead. Same goes for the other 4 staterters.


Pitching has been beyond awful to start the year.

Hope Buehrle gets us on the right track tomorrow. We need it.

You can't just point to Gavin here. Where'd the offense go after the 1st inning? They didn't score again until the sixth, then got shut out for another six innings. That's another thing that we've been dealing with for a while now: The offense starts off hot and gets a lead, then there's no offense to speak of for the rest of the game.

thomas35forever
04-06-2011, 01:59 AM
You can't just point to Gavin here. Where'd the offense go after the 1st inning? They didn't score again until the sixth, then got shut out for another six innings. That's another thing that we've been dealing with for a while now: The offense starts off hot and gets a lead, then there's no offense to speak of for the rest of the game.
Since when did four games qualify as "a while"?:scratch:

Boondock Saint
04-06-2011, 02:01 AM
Since when did four games qualify as "a while"?:scratch:

I would say the 162 games of last season and beyond that counts as a while.

Thome25
04-06-2011, 06:53 AM
Time for a little standardized testing fun.

The Royals are to the White Sox as the Pirates are to the Cubs.

Thome25
04-06-2011, 06:54 AM
You can't just point to Gavin here. Where'd the offense go after the 1st inning? They didn't score again until the sixth, then got shut out for another six innings. That's another thing that we've been dealing with for a while now: The offense starts off hot and gets a lead, then there's no offense to speak of for the rest of the game.

This is hardly a complaint....what do you want them to do? Score consistently throughout the game and end up with 36 runs everyday? Getting a lead and protecting it is all that matters.

C'mon now.

tstrike2000
04-06-2011, 08:17 AM
Can't believe I stayed up to watch the end of that. Unfortunately, if Floyd finds his breaking pitch an inning sooner, we probably win this game. Sox hitting is great, Floyd settled down, and Santos did a nice job. The Lillibridge mistake was killer and I'm not sure Tony Pena, and his 5.10 ERA in '10, can be trusted again this year. He's quickly assuming Scott Linebrink status.

ChiSoxGirl
04-06-2011, 08:18 AM
Holy hell, did this game suck! :angry: The feelings I had after last night's debacle have carried over into this morning. Maybe it's sleep deprivation talking, but said feelings have about 24 hours to go away, otherwise it's going to be one sad Opening Day for me. :(:

veeter
04-06-2011, 08:22 AM
Aside from a little hitting, just a horrible game all around. Looks like a lot of games we played against KC the past 5 years.Exactly. Why would Ozzie bring in Sale with right handed Billy Butler looming? I thought the Sox signed Crain as the veteran set up guy. He brings in Sale for his third appearance in four games. He then proceeds to give up the lead to Butler. You go with vets Crain and Thornton to close it out. So, it looked exactly like so many Royal's games in KC. Get lead, blow lead, re-take lead, bull pen blows lead, lose game in extra innings. Ho hum. And did I hear Hawk say Gavin was 'awesome' last night? Good one Hawk.

aryzner
04-06-2011, 08:44 AM
I watched a few extra innings but then decided to go to bed because I just got that feeling that all Sox fans get... we were gonna lose this game.

I'm really longing for that type of feeling to change. I'm really hoping this is the Sox team that can do that for me.

Boondock Saint
04-06-2011, 08:44 AM
This is hardly a complaint....what do you want them to do? Score consistently throughout the game and end up with 36 runs everyday? Getting a lead and protecting it is all that matters.

C'mon now.

I don't think that asking them to scrape together one or two more runs somewhere over the course of the other 10 innings they played against the Royals pitching staff is asking too much of the White Sox offense.

asindc
04-06-2011, 09:12 AM
Ah yes, the usual carping and caterwauling after a bad loss. What would WSI (or any sports message board, for that matter) be without it?:smile: All this means to me is that the most regular season victories the Sox can win now is 160. Let's go get 'em today!

hawkjt
04-06-2011, 09:36 AM
Gavin was awesome last nite....because of the way he pulled it together on a nite when he was a one pitch pitcher. It would be great if he had his breaking ball,but he did not..so he sucked it up and found a way to get thru 7 innings and hand a 2 run lead to the bullpen...that is the definition of a great outing.

Report card so far:

Starting pitching: Pretty solid,as expected. They have all gone at least 6 innings and given up 4 or less runs...B+

Bullpen: Have blown chunks,basically. Santos and Crain are the only ones who have looked good. Have given up tons of runs in every game...not good....D+

Offense: Have scored 29 runs in 3 games,with 1 in the one game...pretty solid...A-

Defense: Solid....B+

Execution: Not great...bunting stinks,baserunning is so-so...C

Bottom line: too early to hand out definitive grades,but one bad unit,like the bullpen can sink the ship.

As for KC...hey,they match up well vs the Sox because they hit the ball,contact hit the ball,like the Indians,and Twins. Face it gang,as Hawk said, the AL Central has some good offenses,and the Sox are not that superior in that dept.

GoSox2K3
04-06-2011, 11:12 AM
This was a classic White Sox game of recent years: jump out to an early lead and then shut down the offense while the pitching lets the lead slip away.

Hitting well, but giving up a lot of runs is also a carry over from spring training. Spring training is over, I thought Ozzie & Co. were just going to flip a switch on opening day and start playing better once games started counting?:rolleyes:

I really like how our offense looks. Beckham and Quentin make me think this offense can be scary-good. But I'm far from impressed with the pitching. The reality is that our starting rotation is good, but not as great as we like to think. The harsher reality is that our bullpen is shaky at best. I don't trust Pena and Ohman with any lead. Sale is going to be great some day, but he's still less than a year removed from college and I don't expect him to become a major league star without any speed bumps.

PatK
04-06-2011, 11:36 AM
When the Sox went up 4-0 after the first four batters, I figured this one was over and watched the Hawks and Bulls play.

Boy was I wrong.

canOcorn
04-06-2011, 12:44 PM
I think that one start makes up for his maddening inconsistency and unreliability in middle and late innings.

Don't sweat it. Pena was still pretty ****ty that "great" start, considering his ERA for the game was 5+.

Frankfan4life
04-06-2011, 12:47 PM
Bullpen better get better or we are not going anywhere.My thoughts exactly. I hated the pre-season hype over our pitching and hitting, now if our pitching sucks, it makes everything that much worse. So far, it looks like spring training might be the real harbinger of things to come. "Shudder"

LongLiveFisk
04-06-2011, 12:53 PM
Time for a little standardized testing fun.

The Royals are to the White Sox as the Pirates are to the Cubs.

I hate hearing that. However, based on all the so-called experts who have said to watch out for KC, I like to believe the Royals are just a bit better than the Pirates!

Lip Man 1
04-06-2011, 12:54 PM
The Royals are playing with confidence right now and I think that's a carry over from the spring. Didn't they have the best record in the Cactus League?

Lip

kufram
04-06-2011, 01:32 PM
The Royals are playing with confidence right now and I think that's a carry over from the spring. Didn't they have the best record in the Cactus League?

Lip


This is exactly why I think a team needs to be playing its' starters as a unit the last week or 10 days of spring training. Winning, at any level at any time feels better than losing.

DirtySox
04-06-2011, 01:36 PM
I hate hearing that. However, based on all the so-called experts who have said to watch out for KC, I like to believe the Royals are just a bit better than the Pirates!

Actually aside from an interesting bullpen, the Royals are pretty awful on paper this season. Those saying to watch out for KC mean in 2012-2013 and beyond when they start calling up all of their elite prospects. The Sox should hammer the Royals this year.

pssondacubs
04-06-2011, 01:52 PM
canOcorns sig pretty much says it all for me. When I heard the Sox were keeping Ozzie last year, I knew that they were in for another average Ozzie season. No need to get upset, the writing was on the wall.

Crooked Number
04-06-2011, 02:00 PM
canOcorns sig pretty much says it all for me. When I heard the Sox were keeping Ozzie last year, I knew that they were in for another average Ozzie season. No need to get upset, the writing was on the wall.


After four games? :scratch:

The Yankees just blew a four run lead in the 8th last night, and ended up losing in extras to a team that they usually "own" (Twins). This stuff happens when you play 162 games. Im not happy about it, but lets see how the Sox respond in a few hours and until the break. 2010 was 2010, this is a new season. Got to have 40 or 50 games played until we can really see what a team is capable of.

Lip Man 1
04-06-2011, 02:01 PM
Kuf:

Well Ozzie said he was going to do that the final week of the spring yet when I checked the box scores I still saw names from Triple and Double A in there up to the final day.

Guess he was just talking again.

Lip

TomBradley72
04-06-2011, 02:15 PM
Kuf:

Well Ozzie said he was going to do that the final week of the spring yet when I checked the box scores I still saw names from Triple and Double A in there up to the final day.

Guess he was just talking again.

Lip

Sorry- I just don't buy the spring training argument- we kicked ass the first 2 games- I do question some of the tactics/strategies early on:


Infamous bunt into triple play by TCM
Using Ohman as "full reliever" vs. LOOGY
Sale vs. Butler in a close game
Ozzie states that Ohman needs to pitch to both lefties and righties because he only has 11 arms. If that's the case- cut Lillibridge and get a 12th arm on the roster- using Ohman as anything but a LOOGY is akin to using Mackowiak in CF.

DirtySox
04-06-2011, 02:33 PM
Sorry- I just don't buy the spring training argument- we kicked ass the first 2 games- I do question some of the tactics/strategies early on:


Infamous bunt into triple play by TCM
Using Ohman as "full reliever" vs. LOOGY
Sale vs. Butler in a close game
Ozzie states that Ohman needs to pitch to both lefties and righties because he only has 11 arms. If that's the case- cut Lillibridge and get a 12th arm on the roster- using Ohman as anything but a LOOGY is akin to using Mackowiak in CF.

Yes. The spring training argument is terrible and needs to die.