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ernie14
04-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Steve Bartman game on MLB network tonight :D:

Daver
04-03-2011, 05:50 PM
:whocares

ernie14
04-03-2011, 06:11 PM
:whocares



It's not about caring, has nothing to do with caring.

My God, you don't have to be so rude.

LITTLE NELL
04-03-2011, 06:48 PM
Hee, hee, hee

Irishsox1
04-03-2011, 06:58 PM
The "Who Cares?" post is the lowest common denominator on the message boards. It can be posted for every message.

johnnyg83
04-03-2011, 07:01 PM
The "Who Cares?" post is the lowest common denominator on the message boards. It can be posted for every message.

These beauties also qualify ...

"Whatever"

"it is what it is"

"really?"

"Seriously?"

"I saw what you did there."

Daver
04-03-2011, 07:52 PM
It's not about caring, has nothing to do with caring.

My God, you don't have to be so rude.

I have posted many times that this is NOT an anti Cubs site, I have even provided links to sites that actually are, and I grow weary of being forced to continue to point this out.

It's not about rude, has nothing to do with rude.

GoGoCrede
04-03-2011, 09:21 PM
I saw an ad for MLB network today while watching the Sox game. It kind of looked like they were going to do an entire show on that game.

I hope the poor guy has found some peace.

Brian26
04-03-2011, 09:23 PM
Steve Bartman game on MLB network tonight :D:

It was ranked as MLB Network's 7th Greatest Game of all time. What was interesting, at least to me, was seeing Jack McKeon, Mike Lowell and Alex Gonzalez' take on the events of that night and the following night.

That Bartman footage from WGN when he's escorted down to the concourse is still creepy.

GoGoCrede
04-03-2011, 09:29 PM
It was ranked as MLB Network's 7th Greatest Game of all time. What was interesting, at least to me, was seeing Jack McKeon, Mike Lowell and Alex Gonzalez' take on the events of that night and the following night.

That Bartman footage from WGN when he's escorted down to the concourse is still creepy.

What did they say? I meant to record it, but I missed it. Looked like the hosts were calling out Alou for his pissy reaction.

Brian26
04-03-2011, 10:00 PM
McKeon said it was his dream come true to finally get to the World Series. Gonzalez said Bartman did nothing wrong.

SoxNation05
04-03-2011, 10:14 PM
I have posted many times that this is NOT an anti Cubs site, I have even provided links to sites that actually are, and I grow weary of being forced to continue to point this out.

It's not about rude, has nothing to do with rude.

So why does the sub-forum have "lovable loser laments" in the description?

DumpJerry
04-03-2011, 10:31 PM
So why does the sub-forum have "lovable loser laments" in the description?
Because some people can't help themselves.

C-Dawg
04-04-2011, 09:26 AM
I kind of wish I'd seen this earlier; I've never seen that game (I went shopping right after dinner that evening and when I got home I went right to bed - didn't want any part of the Cubs going to the W.S).

SI1020
04-04-2011, 09:53 AM
It was a very interesting game and I like watching it when I'm able. That fateful inning always has me riveted. Somebody just go talk to Prior, tell him in the strongest words possible to forget about the play and finish the game strong. It really was all there for the taking.

g0g0
04-04-2011, 11:00 AM
It was a very interesting game and I like watching it when I'm able. That fateful inning always has me riveted. Somebody just go talk to Prior, tell him in the strongest words possible to forget about the play and finish the game strong. It really was all there for the taking.

Yes it was a disaster. It's one of those games where you get a sinking feeling (as a fan of the team) that something VERY bad is about to go down. But as for Barman, I don't blame him in the least and the Cubs had plenty of chances. They just completely ****ed themselves.

bluedemon45
04-04-2011, 11:12 AM
I just remember going to school the next day and the panic that set in on the Cubs fanbase. It almost seemed like they knew they were going to lose after that game.

As someone mentioned above...when you see that youtube clip of him getting escorted out with a jacket over his head really makes you feel for the guy. Every single person reached for that ball...he just was the unfortuntate one.

One final point that I've noticed...when Fox televises a sporting event they always look for any side story possible to create some sort of drama instead of the game itself. This game is a classic example of it...they showed that Bartman clip wayy to many times and didn't focus on the complete meltdown that happened on the field.

TomBradley72
04-04-2011, 11:14 AM
Yes it was a disaster. It's one of those games where you get a sinking feeling (as a fan of the team) that something VERY bad is about to go down. But as for Barman, I don't blame him in the least and the Cubs had plenty of chances. They just completely ****ed themselves.

One of the hallmarks of the Cubs is letting their emotions get the best of them- Alou and Prior's response took it from a "blip" to "forboding". Just like Zambrano's tantrums, Lilly slamming his glove to the mound like a little leaguer in the NLDS, etc.

I can't really hate the Cubs anymore- their record with the 6th highest payroll in MLB and the empty seats at Wrigley speak for themselves.

But I am VERY glad they blew it in 2003- and that we were able to be the "first" Chicago team to win the World Series since 1917 in 2005.

Madvora
04-04-2011, 11:29 AM
One final point that I've noticed...when Fox televises a sporting event they always look for any side story possible to create some sort of drama instead of the game itself. This game is a classic example of it...they showed that Bartman clip wayy to many times and didn't focus on the complete meltdown that happened on the field.
Right you are. That's why I can't stand Fox and that's why the Super Bowl is about everything but football.

Dan H
04-04-2011, 11:43 AM
It was a very interesting game and I like watching it when I'm able. That fateful inning always has me riveted. Somebody just go talk to Prior, tell him in the strongest words possible to forget about the play and finish the game strong. It really was all there for the taking.

I agree with this completely. A fan going for a foul ball in the stands is nothing new. The Cubs still led, Prior was throwing the ball well, and the World Series was still in sight. So this melt down is baffling and it is more baffling that Dusty Baker sat on his behind and did nothing. Even more baffling are Cub fans still blaming Bartman for this. Was it Bartman's fault that the Cubs were swept out of the '07 and '08 playoffs or that they blew a wild card chance in '04? I guess it's his fault for 1969 and 1984, too. All of this is pathetic beyond words.

skobabe8
04-04-2011, 01:12 PM
I could not believe when the governor of IL made the comments he did after that game.

LITTLE NELL
04-04-2011, 01:25 PM
I hope everyone remembers that a couple of years ago Moises Alou admitted he doesn't think he would have caught the ball.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080402&content_id=2484828&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

GoGoCrede
04-04-2011, 01:56 PM
I hope everyone remembers that a couple of years ago Moises Alou admitted he doesn't think he would have caught the ball.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080402&content_id=2484828&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I thought he denied saying that? He said he claimed it was never said.

Bruizer
04-04-2011, 01:58 PM
Do we really need to keep referring to this game as the name of the unfortunate fan caught in the middle of all this? It's been over seven years now. This could have happened to any of us. :scratch:

Bobby Thigpen
04-04-2011, 02:26 PM
I could not believe when the governor of IL made the comments he did after that game.
Really?

You expect more from him of all people?

LITTLE NELL
04-04-2011, 02:48 PM
I thought he denied saying that? He said he claimed it was never said.

Derek Lee also said Alou would not have caught the ball.

Foulke You
04-05-2011, 12:11 AM
Yes it was a disaster. It's one of those games where you get a sinking feeling (as a fan of the team) that something VERY bad is about to go down.
Sox fans know this feeling well. It usually is when the Sox are in Minnesota playing the Twins who have just led off the bottom of the 9th inning with a broken bat gork shot.

SI1020
04-05-2011, 09:24 AM
Yes it was a disaster. It's one of those games where you get a sinking feeling (as a fan of the team) that something VERY bad is about to go down. But as for Barman, I don't blame him in the least and the Cubs had plenty of chances. They just completely ****ed themselves. In fairness to you I have the same fascination with the 2nd game of the 1959 WS. The situation turned drastically against the Sox in the 8th inning when Sherm Lollar was thrown out at the plate, ending a rally. I wasn't quite 9 years old but in my little kid mind I knew the Sox were done.

skobabe8
04-05-2011, 11:00 AM
Really?

You expect more from him of all people?

Oh, it makes perfect sense today. But I didn't even know who Blago was in 2003.

SephClone89
04-05-2011, 11:06 AM
Oh, it makes perfect sense today. But I didn't even know who Blago was in 2003.

:?:
He was governor...

skobabe8
04-05-2011, 11:38 AM
:?:
He was governor...

Not in Indiana he wasn't.

And he wasn't talked about too much on the campus of Ball State University.

LITTLE NELL
04-05-2011, 11:52 AM
In fairness to you I have the same fascination with the 2nd game of the 1959 WS. The situation turned drastically against the Sox in the 8th inning when Sherm Lollar was thrown out at the plate, ending a rally. I wasn't quite 9 years old but in my little kid mind I knew the Sox were done.

I was 13 years old and was at that game with my uncle, even at 13 I had that same feeling. I still can't believe Cuccinello sent Lollar who was the slowest man in the league, he was out by so much he didn't even slide.

PaleHoser
04-05-2011, 02:01 PM
I've watched each episode of this series and usually learn something interesting about each of the games. IMO, all have been very good with the exception of the Kevin Millar episode.

Hats-off to Alex Gonzalez (Cubs version) for having the stones to participate in the discussion he made the key error in the 8th inning. :tiphat:

Some facts cited during the broadcast:


According to Fox, Prior was already over 100 pitches when the 8th inning started. I believe he was up to 110 when Pierre doubled down the line and left the game with over 120.
Prior had averaged 126 pitches per start for his previous nine starts IIRC. I guess we have Dusty Baker to thank for pitch counts being overused now.
According to Bob Costas, it took 12 pitches for that game to completely turn.
Luis Castillo saw 24 pitches in his at-bats during this game. IIRC, the 8th inning at-bat was 11 pitches itself.
Cubs are 0-7 in playoffs since this game.

Bob Roarman
04-05-2011, 04:58 PM
If anything, that game should be called the Alex Gonzalez Game. If he makes that routine play, who knows what happens. Nothing stays the same.

g0g0
04-05-2011, 07:09 PM
In fairness to you I have the same fascination with the 2nd game of the 1959 WS. The situation turned drastically against the Sox in the 8th inning when Sherm Lollar was thrown out at the plate, ending a rally. I wasn't quite 9 years old but in my little kid mind I knew the Sox were done.

Crazy how you get those feelings isn't it? Defnitely makes an impression on you.

DumpJerry
04-05-2011, 07:55 PM
If anything, that game should be called the Alex Gonzalez Game. If he makes that routine play, who knows what happens. Nothing stays the same.
I call it the Dusty Baker Game. When Prior started yelling at nobody in particular after the Bartman foul ball, Baker should have trotted out to calm him down and get him focused on the game. He also needed someone ready in the bullpen since Prior's pitch count was getting high and you did not want him to tire.

Bobby Thigpen
04-05-2011, 09:19 PM
Not in Indiana he wasn't.

And he wasn't talked about too much on the campus of Ball State University.
Ignorance is bliss.

HomeFish
04-05-2011, 09:52 PM
I have posted many times that this is NOT an anti Cubs site, I have even provided links to sites that actually are, and I grow weary of being forced to continue to point this out.

It's not about rude, has nothing to do with rude.

This isn't an African Watering Hole discussion site. I'm sure there are websites out there devoted entirely to African Watering holes.

Yet, that does not mean that everytime Sox fans want to discuss their common interest in African Watering Holes, that we should be greeted with "Who Cares?"

Some of us like making fun of the other team in town, it's part of living in Chicago.

RadioheadRocks
04-05-2011, 10:23 PM
The "Who Cares?" post is the lowest common denominator on the message boards. It can be posted for every message.


Exactly... why does Gary Coleman have to haunt WSI of all places?

SoxNation05
04-05-2011, 10:24 PM
Because some people can't help themselves.

Yeah well Daver is still being rude to the OP for no reason.

cub killer
04-06-2011, 01:33 AM
In fairness to you I have the same fascination with the 2nd game of the 1959 WS. The situation turned drastically against the Sox in the 8th inning when Sherm Lollar was thrown out at the plate, ending a rally. I wasn't quite 9 years old but in my little kid mind I knew the Sox were done.
The 1959 World Series was broadcast on Channel 9, right? Was that in addition to a national broadcast or was it only regional that year, as if it was a regular season game? Is that how it was back then? When did the World Series start to get televised nationally?

LITTLE NELL
04-06-2011, 06:20 AM
The 1959 World Series was broadcast on Channel 9, right? Was that in addition to a national broadcast or was it only regional that year, as if it was a regular season game? Is that how it was back then? When did the World Series start to get televised nationally?

The 59 WS was on national TV, not WGN. Vin Scully and Jack Brickhouse were the broadcasters. I watched my first WS in 1954 and every series as far as I know has been on national TV.
WCFL and Bob Elson did the series on local radio and it may have also been on national radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_broadcasters

skobabe8
04-06-2011, 02:41 PM
Ignorance is bliss.

Well color me bliss.

sullythered
04-06-2011, 05:33 PM
I have posted many times that this is NOT an anti Cubs site, I have even provided links to sites that actually are, and I grow weary of being forced to continue to point this out.

It's not about rude, has nothing to do with rude.
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/headers/score.jpg (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=18)

Dub25
04-06-2011, 11:27 PM
So why does the sub-forum have "lovable loser laments" in the description?

Wondering the same thing... Daver, where are you? Not trying to be a jerk but I'm just curious on how you would respond because I'm wondering the same thing.
I agree, this shouldn't be an anti-cub site but I do like having a small part of it dedicated to it if we want to vent.

kba
04-07-2011, 10:44 AM
The 59 WS was on national TV, not WGN. Vin Scully and Jack Brickhouse were the broadcasters. I watched my first WS in 1954 and every series as far as I know has been on national TV.
WCFL and Bob Elson did the series on local radio and it may have also been on national radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_broadcasters


As late as the 1980's, teams were allowed to do their own local telecasts of the league championship series (but not the World Series). So Chicago viewers saw the 1983 LCS on WFLD, with Hawk and Don Drysdale on the play-by-play:

http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/index.php?c=611 (http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/index.php?c=611)