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DirtySox
03-27-2011, 01:21 PM
This forum needs an all-purpose thread for minor league notes that don't really need their own thread. Please use this thread as such. Transactions, injuries, scouting blurbs, hot streaks, slumps, etc are all fair game.


The season begins April 7th.

DirtySox
03-27-2011, 01:22 PM
To start us off, CJ Retherford was released.

mzh
03-27-2011, 01:26 PM
To start us off, CJ Retherford was released.
:hawk:
"Quality kid, I'll tell ya"

KMcMahon817
03-27-2011, 02:34 PM
Edit: regarding Dexter Carter...missed thread below.

DirtySox
03-29-2011, 12:59 PM
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MDGonzales (http://twitter.com/#%21/MDGonzales) Mark Gonzales
Sox deal minor league OF john shelby jr. to TB for future considerations
53 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/MDGonzales/status/52763532994940928)

DirtySox
03-29-2011, 01:12 PM
Jared Mitchell will start at Winston-Salem, and Trayce Thompson is back to Kannapolis.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-sox-trade-shelby-to-tb-hynick-to-start-vs-kc-20110329,0,7062228.story

CWSpalehoseCWS
03-29-2011, 01:26 PM
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MDGonzales (http://twitter.com/#%21/MDGonzales) Mark Gonzales
Sox deal minor league OF john shelby jr. to TB for future considerations
53 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/MDGonzales/status/52763532994940928)

I figured someone had to go. Seems like a log jam in the OF between the Knights and Barons. With Shelby and Watson gone, it clears things up.

I wish Ward would get released. I don't see how he can help at all. Gallagher and Marrero should be moving up after decent years in Birmingham, not blocked by Ward.

DirtySox
03-29-2011, 04:47 PM
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jcrasnick (http://twitter.com/#%21/jcrasnick) Jerry Crasnick
#Whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Whitesox) pitcher Jeff Marquez has cleared waivers and is headed for Triple-A Charlotte, source says. #espnst (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23espnst)
10 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/jcrasnick/status/52831620612358144)

JermaineDye05
03-29-2011, 05:33 PM
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jcrasnick (http://twitter.com/#%21/jcrasnick) Jerry Crasnick
#Whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Whitesox) pitcher Jeff Marquez has cleared waivers and is headed for Triple-A Charlotte, source says. #espnst (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23espnst)
10 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/jcrasnick/status/52831620612358144)

Not really a surprise.

soxfanreggie
03-29-2011, 09:44 PM
#Whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Whitesox) pitcher Jeff Marquez has cleared waivers and is headed for Triple-A Charlotte, source says. #espnst (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23espnst)
10 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/jcrasnick/status/52831620612358144)

Well, if he can show some improvement, he could get a chance to make a difference later in the season.

Good luck Jeff in working with Coach Dotson to see if any improvement can be made!

DirtySox
03-30-2011, 06:00 PM
Supposedly the Dash roster is set, though there is still plenty of time for changes.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&cid=580&stn=true&sid=t580

Mitchell, Wilkins, Rienzo, and Santos Rodriguez are probably the only names that are worth following. Colligan and Jose Martinez are kind of interesting too I guess.

DirtySox
04-01-2011, 11:18 AM
Jerry Krause has left his position as international scouting director to join the D-Backs. Had the position for less than a year. Lolz.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/04/white-sox-international-director-leaves-for-arizona/


BenBadler Ben Badler
July 2 preview: Don't expect much from the White Sox
22 minutes ago


International talent? Who needs it.

KMcMahon817
04-01-2011, 12:25 PM
Jerry Krause has left his position as international scouting director to join the D-Backs. Had the position for less than a year. Lolz.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/04/white-sox-international-director-leaves-for-arizona/




International talent? Who needs it.

To be fair, the few international signings the SOX have made have been very good. They don't appear to feel the need to fill the minors with a bunch of international guys...but Alexei was an international signing, and he is now one of the best SS the AL, if not the best. Viciedo has proven he can hit MLB pitching, and with a better eye, he could be a monster. They did pay him quite a bit though.

I agree that it would be nice if they would at least sign some guys here and there, but the SOX have gone "all in" with the few signings they have made.

DirtySox
04-01-2011, 12:46 PM
To be fair, the few international signings the SOX have made have been very good. They don't appear to feel the need to fill the minors with a bunch of international guys...but Alexei was an international signing, and he is now one of the best SS the AL, if not the best. Viciedo has proven he can hit MLB pitching, and with a better eye, he could be a monster. They did pay him quite a bit though.

I agree that it would be nice if they would at least sign some guys here and there, but the SOX have gone "all in" with the few signings they have made.

Rationalization. It really doesn't matter that they've hit on a whole two Cuban signings. Completely neglecting almost the entirety of the international talent available to them is inexcusable. An organization with the resources that the Sox have shouldn't get a pass in this area. The same goes for the draft and player development. It needs to be fixed.

KMcMahon817
04-01-2011, 02:52 PM
Rationalization. It really doesn't matter that they've hit on a whole two Cuban signings. Completely neglecting almost the entirety of the international talent available to them is inexcusable. An organization with the resources that the Sox have shouldn't get a pass in this area. The same goes for the draft and player development. It needs to be fixed.

I don't disagree with you. But, you could flip the coin and say rationalization the other way as well. I'd rather have a 130M MLB payroll than have a 90M payroll and the minors filled with a bunch of expensive international prospects.

But, I am not disagreeing with you. Neglecting a good portion of the world's baseball talent does not seem like a brilliant business plan.

KMcMahon817
04-02-2011, 11:18 PM
Dirty, what the that White Sox minor league website again? The name is escaping me.

rdivaldi
04-02-2011, 11:53 PM
Completely neglecting almost the entirety of the international talent available to them is inexcusable

That's pure hyperbole. Let's not go overboard with wild statements like this, okay?

The same goes for the draft and player development. It needs to be fixed.

The draft has been successful as of late. What needs to be fixed in terms of player development?

California Sox
04-03-2011, 12:13 AM
Actually, since Wilder it is fair to say that the Sox have abandoned the international market. They may get back in, but they have done very little the last 2/3 years.

And yes the 2008, 2009, and 2010 drafts all look promising, but 2007 and 2006 were so bad, the system is going to need a while to recover. I have followed the Sox minor leagues for a long time. I don't recall them ever being this thin in starting pitching before. I bet in the early rounds you will see the Sox take a college pitcher with every pick, just to get some depth.

SoxSpeed22
04-03-2011, 12:16 AM
We did trade a ton of our pitching prospects, going back to 2008. That was one reason why the 2010 draft was pitching heavy and I think this next draft should focus on pitching and outfield. I think the system is taking a few steps in the right direction, but there is still a very long way to go. The whole Wilder incident really hurt and international scouting is where the Sox really fell behind, compared to the rest of the league.

rdivaldi
04-03-2011, 12:42 AM
Actually, since Wilder it is fair to say that the Sox have abandoned the international market.

This again is hyperbole. The Sox have not "abandoned" the international market, they still have overseas training centers, a couple of summer league teams, etc. Sematics? Yes. But after reading the constant bashing over the past season or so, it's time to reign everybody back down to Earth. The Wilder scandal has obviously set us back, but the White Sox will be more active in the coming year.

rdivaldi
04-03-2011, 12:50 AM
but 2007 and 2006 were so bad, the system is going to need a while to recover.

I agree that 2006 and 2007 were sub-par to say the least. However, the White Sox are not going to change their current philosophy. Thus I can't seem them keeping players in the farm system long term. We're obviously built to win now and our GM is a gunslinger.

California Sox
04-03-2011, 12:49 PM
I agree that 2006 and 2007 were sub-par to say the least. However, the White Sox are not going to change their current philosophy. Thus I can't seem them keeping players in the farm system long term. We're obviously built to win now and our GM is a gunslinger.

We are not really in tremendous disagreement. I am not as down on the overall system as some. There are quite a few position players I believe in like Viciedo, Flowers, Mitchell, and Wilkins. But the dearth of pitching is a concern when 40 percent of the rotation is eligible for free agency, Danks is headed for a giant raise, and Peavy's health continues to be a question mark.

I would say Laumann has done a great job. I would love to get someone in international scouting who would bring that side up to par.

DirtySox
04-03-2011, 12:57 PM
Dirty, what the that White Sox minor league website again? The name is escaping me.

I'm not sure which site you are referring to.

rdivaldi
04-03-2011, 01:02 PM
But the dearth of pitching is a concern when 40 percent of the rotation is eligible for free agency, Danks is headed for a giant raise, and Peavy's health continues to be a question mark.

Agreed. In fairness though, most teams don't have a AA/AAA glut of pitching waiting to make an instant impact in the majors at the drop of a hat. I'm not concerned about Danks, I think we'll give him the $$$ he deserves. Peavy on the other hand is of major concern. I do think he'll make 20+ starts for us this year, but I don't like the injury guessing-game.

Domeshot17
04-03-2011, 01:13 PM
I am a little confused on how the last 3 drafts have been successful? I mean, yes, Gordon vs. Smoak was a tough choice, Mitchell we still don't know, and Sale was a dream scenerio. We still completely blew sandwich picks and spent very little on all 3 drafts. We continue to have one of the bottom 3-4 farms in baseball year in and out. This is not just because of trades. Anyone who doesn't see the problem here is just lying to themselves.

In terms of player development, a ton needs to be fixed.

Daver
04-03-2011, 01:16 PM
The draft has been successful as of late. What needs to be fixed in terms of player development?

Being able to turn out an overall balanced ballplayer would be nice, the only way they do that know is if the player was already that in HS or college.

They really need to get over the philosophy of rushing players to the MLB club, with all the failures they have had because of it you would think they would have learned this lesson, but they haven't.

DirtySox
04-03-2011, 01:22 PM
I am a little confused on how the last 3 drafts have been successful? I mean, yes, Gordon vs. Smoak was a tough choice, Mitchell we still don't know, and Sale was a dream scenerio. We still completely blew sandwich picks and spent very little on all 3 drafts. We continue to have one of the bottom 3-4 farms in baseball year in and out. This is not just because of trades. Anyone who doesn't see the problem here is just lying to themselves.

In terms of player development, a ton needs to be fixed. They have no idea how to do it.

This.

I don't see how anyone can argue that the farm system is in a good state, or on the upswing. I like the 1st round picks the last 4 years, but that's about it. The Sox don't spend on the draft, fail to sign early round picks, and don't spend internationally. Daver mentioned that the amount of scouts employed is abysmal compared to other organizations. The lack of depth is scary. With Sale and Morel graduating this year and no 1st round pick, things look even worse. Aside from Jared Mitchell who is no sure thing, what else is there? Maybe all the sleepers have breakout years and I eat crow, but I won't hold my breath.

DirtySox
04-03-2011, 01:30 PM
Dirty, what the that White Sox minor league website again? The name is escaping me.

Maybe you are referring to FutureSox?

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/future-sox/

KMcMahon817
04-03-2011, 02:10 PM
I'm not sure which site you are referring to.

I am not really sure how to explain it. It just gives scouting reports for the Sox minor league systems and follows all the teams as the season progresses. It was just like an aggregate site that had a little bit of everything for each team. I did a couple of google searches but couldn't find it.

KMcMahon817
04-03-2011, 02:11 PM
Maybe you are referring to FutureSox?

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/future-sox/

Whoops. Didn't see this. Yes, this is it. Thank you.

rdivaldi
04-03-2011, 08:59 PM
Being able to turn out an overall balanced ballplayer would be nice, the only way they do that know is if the player was already that in HS or college.

So, who is an example of this from another team?

They really need to get over the philosophy of rushing players to the MLB club, with all the failures they have had because of it you would think they would have learned this lesson, but they haven't.

I don't buy the "rushed" argument, every player is unique. Some players get it faster than others, I haven't seen any evidence that the White Sox have "rushed" any more players than any other organization.

rdivaldi
04-03-2011, 09:10 PM
The Sox don't spend on the draft, fail to sign early round picks, and don't spend internationally.

This statement is untrue. The Sox have spent internationally, they're just behind over the past couple of years because of the scandal. As for the draft, who are these "failed" early round signings? They've been pretty much getting all of their top 5 into the fold over the past ten years.

DirtySox
04-03-2011, 09:22 PM
This statement is untrue. The Sox have spent internationally, they're just behind over the past couple of years because of the scandal. As for the draft, who are these "failed" early round signings? They've been pretty much getting all of their top 5 into the fold over the past ten years.

Just recently they haven't signed Bryan Morgado, Matt Grimes, and Josef Terry. Perhaps they signed most of their earlier picks in years past, but most reports had the aforementioned players not seeking much more than slot. With how terrible the farm is and the complete lack of depth, quality prospects like these need to be signed. You realize how little they spend right? Near bottom of the barrel every year. Teams spend in 1 year on the draft what they spend in 2 combined.

rdivaldi
04-04-2011, 11:01 PM
Just recently they haven't signed Bryan Morgado, Matt Grimes, and Josef Terry.

Morgado got greedy because he pitched well in the Cape Cod League (was awful last year for the Phills) and Terry was an 8th rounder. Of all those guys Grimes was the only one worth a squirt IMO. High school pitchers in the earlier rounds (not 1st or 2nd) can be tough to sign due to their college option, thus I won't get too upset about Grimes.

You realize how little they spend right? Near bottom of the barrel every year

True (actually we're dead last), but spending does not equal success. Over the past three years, the highest spending teams are the:

Pirates: $30.6M
Red Sox: $28.3M
Nationals: $28.2M
Orioles: $24.8M
Royals: $24.5M
Indians: $21.3M
Rays: $21.1M

I'd rather not have much in common with most of those teams.

The Bottom?

White Sox: $12.7M
Braves: $13.4M
Phillies: $13.9M
Marlins: $13.9M
Mets: $14.3M
Cubs: $14.3M
Twins (gasp!): $15.5M

I think you see where I'm coming from.

I've been watching this for many, many years. Farm systems ebb and flow. The White Sox will rise, everyone will congratulate themselves, then Kenny will make a big trade and everyone will sharpen their pitchforks once more. Personally, as much as I love minor league baseball and watching players develop, I only care about one team and that's the White Sox.

rdivaldi
04-04-2011, 11:08 PM
We still completely blew sandwich picks and spent very little on all 3 drafts.

Spending does not equal success, and what sandwich picks did we "blow"? If I'm not mistaken we've only had 2 in the past 3 drafts. No one in their right mind could consider Phegley a "blown" pick, the kid has had almost no chance to prove himself. Our other one, Royse, had a good partial season in Great Falls and by most reports has good "stuff".

In terms of player development, a ton needs to be fixed.

For instance?

DirtySox
04-05-2011, 02:46 AM
larry over at SouthSideSox has part one of his minor league preview up. He does very nice work. The bulk of the prospects worth watching are at Kanny and Winston-Salem. It's a good read.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/4/5/2075145/white-sox-minor-league-affiliates-preview-part-one-a-ball#comments

DirtySox
04-05-2011, 02:04 PM
Mike Blanke is on twitter if anyone would like to follow him:

http://twitter.com/#!/MikeBlanke32

DirtySox
04-05-2011, 07:59 PM
Kanny's official roster is now posted:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&cid=487&stn=true&sid=t487

Probably the most interesting minor league team that the Sox will field this year.

I'll be paying attention to Petricka, Reed, Buch, Heidenreich, Blanke, and Trayce Thompson. There are a few others that might surprise (Silverio, Wilson, Arroyo) but I'm not counting on it.

Daver
04-05-2011, 09:11 PM
So, who is an example of this from another team? I need to point out to you what a fundamentally sound ball player is?



I don't buy the "rushed" argument, every player is unique. Some players get it faster than others, I haven't seen any evidence that the White Sox have "rushed" any more players than any other organization.

Joe Borchard, Brian Anderson, Jeremy Reed, Danny Wright, Jon Rauch, Mark Johnson, etc. were all promising, highly regarding amateur players, all of them spent less than three seasons in the minors because they could fill a hole on the big league roster, all of them failed to reach their potential. Contrast this to a less highly regarded prospect that was given the time to develop his skills at the pro level in the same system, he won minor league MVP honors twice, and should have been the MVP of the 2005 WS, but he was only allowed that time because he didn't fill a hole on the big league roster.

If you can't see this trend you are walking around with blinders on.

mzh
04-05-2011, 10:07 PM
Dave:

There is no way to prove this, but my opinion is that good Major League players are going to be good Major League Players. Evan Longoria spent very little time in the minors. Beckham didn't spend a full season down there. I'm not saying that every quality major league player would have been the player they are if they had gone straight to the bigs, but I fail to see proof that Borchard, Wright, Anderson et al. would have lived up to the hype had they spent more time in the minors. Borchard couldn't hit a Major League curveball. He wasn't going to learn how to do that in AA. Dan Wright had electric stuff, but I see no reason why he wouldn't have blown his arm out regardless of where he was.

Sometimes there is no pattern of correlation and causation. That's just my opinion, and until we can see into alternate pasts this debate will remain completely subjective. Just my :twocents:

DirtySox
04-06-2011, 12:37 PM
White Sox High Minors Preview:

http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/4/6/2075440/white-sox-minor-league-affiliates-preview-part-two-high-minors

Birmingham looks absolutely awful prospect-wise. I don't agree with Eduardo in AAA either. Why rush a player who is obviously blocked?

DirtySox
04-06-2011, 02:31 PM
ESPNChiSox Doug Padilla
Viciedo reinstated from the DL. Going to Charlotte.
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DirtySox
04-06-2011, 04:14 PM
Intimidators preview piece:

http://sportsclt.com/2011/04/05/young-but-talented-intimidators-poised-for-good-season/

Kind of disappointed that Reed isn't in the rotation. The Sox desperately need to churn out some starters. He could move pretty fast through the system as a bullpen guy though.

rdivaldi
04-06-2011, 09:01 PM
I need to point out to you what a fundamentally sound ball player is?

Actually that's not what I was referring to. This is the quote:

Being able to turn out an overall balanced ballplayer would be nice, the only way they do that know is if the player was already that in HS or college.

You say that the White Sox only turn out fundamentally sound or balanced ballplayers only if they know that the player was already fundamentally sound or balanced. My question is do you have any examples of other organizations creating a sound, balanced player?

Joe Borchard, Brian Anderson, Jeremy Reed, Danny Wright, Jon Rauch, Mark Johnson, etc. were all promising, highly regarding amateur players, all of them spent less than three seasons in the minors because they could fill a hole on the big league roster, all of them failed to reach their potential.

But yet Buehrle did and he pitched less innings in the minors than Wright or Rauch. Frank Thomas spent a grand total of a year and three quarters in the minors, was he "rushed"? Beckham has a grand total of 259 minor league at bats, is he not going to succeed in the majors because of this? How about Daniel Hudson? The Diamondbacks didn't seem to think that trading a proven starting pitcher was a bad deal for a kid who only pitched in the minors for 2 years. Is Hudson going to fail because he was "rushed"?

I believe there is too much out there for either side of the argument to definitively say that there is a proper way to get youngsters in the majors. I believe it is case-by-case, you and others think there is a blueprint. I can't say I'm right, but no one will be able to convince me I'm wrong. It wouldn't be baseball if there wasn't much to debate. :smile:

Daver
04-06-2011, 09:46 PM
You say that the White Sox only turn out fundamentally sound or balanced ballplayers only if they know that the player was already fundamentally sound or balanced. My question is do you have any examples of other organizations creating a sound, balanced player?



The best all around ballplayer on the White Sox roster is AJ, the Twins seem to be able to do it on a regular basis, but they have a completely different philosophy about developing players.

102605
04-06-2011, 10:00 PM
Intimidators preview piece:

http://sportsclt.com/2011/04/05/young-but-talented-intimidators-poised-for-good-season/

Kind of disappointed that Reed isn't in the rotation. The Sox desperately need to churn out some starters. He could move pretty fast through the system as a bullpen guy though.

He is going to be a good RP. San Diego State is churning out some good talent lately. The White Sox could use some bullpen strength that they don't have to go out and overspend on.

DirtySox
04-06-2011, 10:07 PM
He is going to be a good RP. San Diego State is churning out some good talent lately. The White Sox could use some bullpen strength that they don't have to go out and overspend on.

I would agree if the organization actually had some starting pitching depth. There is really nothing there. I was hoping he'd get a chance to develop in the rotation, with the pen as a fallback option.

I'm wondering if this move is to fast track him. Many prognosticators believe that in a relief role he isn't that far off from helping a big league club. It would certainly fit the MO of the organization.

DirtySox
04-07-2011, 11:48 AM
Games start today. Charlotte already in hand. Dash start tomorrow. Pray for breakout years.

DirtySox
04-08-2011, 08:06 PM
Peavy pitching tonight in Birmingham:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_04_08_biraax_monaax_1

DirtySox
04-08-2011, 09:29 PM
ChuckGarfien Chuck Garfien
Jake Peavy rehab start: 3 innings, 4 hits, 2 ER, 55 pitches, 185 grunts.
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DirtySox
04-08-2011, 09:35 PM
ESPNChiSox Doug Padilla
Peavy goes 3 2/3 innings in AA start. Leaves after throwing 72 pitches. Far from the five innings he desired.
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JermaineDye05
04-08-2011, 10:47 PM
ESPNChiSox Doug Padilla
Peavy goes 3 2/3 innings in AA start. Leaves after throwing 72 pitches. Far from the five innings he desired.
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The walks and the errors didn't help. Pitch count was too high.

Glad they pulled him early.

DirtySox
04-09-2011, 04:41 PM
Posting this here since John Sickels' website is about the minor leagues. Today he posted a Paul Konerko Career Profile, looking at his career from the minors to current day. Interesting read if you are into that sort of thing:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/4/9/2097202/career-profile-paul-konerko

DirtySox
04-10-2011, 01:42 PM
Mitchell had his 1st HR of the season yesterday. Flowers has his 1st today.

After 2 days of postponements, Petricka is finally making his debut at Kanny. So far he's mowing them down. 5 K 0 BB 0 H through 3 IP.

DirtySox
04-10-2011, 02:23 PM
Petricka's final line:

6.0 IP 0 H 1 BB 9 SO

Very encouraging start, especially because of the absolute lack of decent starting pitching in the minors. With the state of the farm, he has a legitimate shot at being the system's top prospect this year. It really is a crap shoot at this point.

DirtySox
04-10-2011, 02:29 PM
Reed strikes out the side in his relief debut. I have a feeling he's going to fly through the system as a bullpen arm.

SoxSpeed22
04-10-2011, 04:22 PM
Any word on how Petricka's secondary pitches are coming along? Obviously a very encouraging box score.

DirtySox
04-10-2011, 04:24 PM
Early and small sample size, but Mitchell has 7 K's in 14 at bats. His strikeout rate is something that seriously needs to decrease. He had about a 34% K-rate in his season with Kanny. Hopefully the new and refined swing aids in this.

DirtySox
04-10-2011, 05:02 PM
Blanke finally ends the 1st game of Kanny's doubleheader with a 2 run HR in the 16th inning. His 1st of the season.

DirtySox
04-11-2011, 09:07 PM
Trayce Thompson hit his first HR of the season tonight.

Mitchell still shaking off that rust. 1 - 4 with a SO, BB, CS, and was picked off 1st.

Dayan: 1 - 4, 2 SO, HR

DirtySox
04-12-2011, 06:56 PM
MDGonzales Mark Gonzales
Sox will fill from within for the director of international scouting job held briefly by Jerry Krause.
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More:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-sox-look-from-within-for-international-scouting-director-20110412,0,7548212.story

DirtySox
04-15-2011, 08:53 PM
Another solid outing from Petricka:

5 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 BB 7 SO

Hopefully he keeps this up when facing more age appropriate competition. He is kind of a project though which is why they are taking it slow with him.

EMachine10
04-15-2011, 10:42 PM
Another solid outing from Petricka:

5 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 BB 7 SO

Hopefully he keeps this up when facing more age appropriate competition. He is kind of a project though which is why they are taking it slow with him.
I think he and Reed could end up being real nice picks; hopefully Royse pans out, too.

This could be a make or break year for Upchurch. I'd really like to see him make some progress.

DirtySox
04-15-2011, 11:04 PM
I think he and Reed could end up being real nice picks; hopefully Royse pans out, too.

This could be a make or break year for Upchurch. I'd really like to see him make some progress.

I've pretty much given up on Upchurch. Hopefully he proves me wrong though.

After a somewhat slow start to the year Blanke finally had a nice night:

3-4, 2 2Bs and a 3B

DirtySox
04-16-2011, 01:53 PM
CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen
Sox have traded minor league OF Stefan Gartrell to Atlanta (Class AAA Gwinnett) for cash considerations.
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Not surprising. He really wasn't viewed that highly by the organization despite decent numbers.

DirtySox
04-18-2011, 11:50 AM
Jose Martinez once a very promising prospect before all the injuries, is on a tear this year in W-S.

.432/.488/.595

Hopefully he can stay healthy.

DirtySox
04-19-2011, 09:50 PM
Trayce Thompson tonight: 4-5, 2 HR, SO.

His 5th HR of the year. The power seems to be legitimate. If he can keep the strikeouts in check and/or takes a few more walks, he has a chance to be real good prospect. Still real far away though.

DirtySox
04-20-2011, 01:15 PM
Another good start from Petricka.

6.0 IP 5 H 1 ER 2 BB 6 SO

I'd imagine a promotion to W-S isn't too far off.

doublem23
04-20-2011, 01:20 PM
Trayce Thompson tonight: 4-5, 2 HR, SO.

His 5th HR of the year. The power seems to be legitimate. If he can keep the strikeouts in check and/or takes a few more walks, he has a chance to be real good prospect. Still real far away though.

Just so I don't embarass myself when talking about him... Is his name pronounced "Tracy" or "Trace?"

DirtySox
04-20-2011, 01:38 PM
Just so I don't embarass myself when talking about him... Is his name pronounced "Tracy" or "Trace?"

Almost positive it's Trace.

Thompson was mentioned in KG's minor league update today as well. He notes it's hard to dislike a toolsy CF with plus-plus power, but questions if he will be able to hit enough.

cws05champ
04-21-2011, 12:20 PM
Trayce Thompson tonight: 4-5, 2 HR, SO.

His 5th HR of the year. The power seems to be legitimate. If he can keep the strikeouts in check and/or takes a few more walks, he has a chance to be real good prospect. Still real far away though.
I really hope this kid can figure it out in the next two years. Could be a great corner OF with power if all works out.

DirtySox
04-21-2011, 02:23 PM
Addison Reed was promoted to Winston-Salem.

CWSpalehoseCWS
04-21-2011, 05:38 PM
Addison Reed was promoted to Winston-Salem.

I had a feeling he would be a fast riser this year. Especially being converted to relief. Hopefully they don't rush him too fast.

DirtySox
04-22-2011, 06:50 PM
Both Martiney and Phegley are mentioned in KG's minor league update:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=13681

Phegley is hilariously bad at catching. 12 errors and 23 passed balls in 91 games is ridiculous.

DirtySox
04-24-2011, 01:04 PM
Blanke had a nice 2 games yesterday in Kanny's doubleheader.

6-9, 2B, HR, SO

He initially started off somewhat slow, but is now up to .305/.359/.542

JermaineDye05
04-25-2011, 07:50 PM
Trayce Thompson tonight: 4-5, 2 HR, SO.

His 5th HR of the year. The power seems to be legitimate. If he can keep the strikeouts in check and/or takes a few more walks, he has a chance to be real good prospect. Still real far away though.

Seems to be a recurring theme with a lot of Sox prospects.

DirtySox
04-25-2011, 08:03 PM
Seems to be a recurring theme with a lot of Sox prospects.

It's a recurring theme with many prospects period.

PalehosePlanet
04-26-2011, 12:13 AM
Does anyone know if Dayan is playing in the outfield this year?

The Knights website lists him as a 3B and BA doesn't state a position. I can't find a games played by position option anywhere.

DirtySox
04-26-2011, 12:24 AM
Does anyone know if Dayan is playing in the outfield this year?

The Knights website lists him as a 3B and BA doesn't state a position. I can't find a games played by position option anywhere.

Baseball Reference. Look under minors fielding for the appropriate year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=vicied001day

15 games in RF, 1 at DH.

DirtySox
04-26-2011, 07:52 PM
Trayce hit his 6th HR of the season tonight. Also was HBP. Game still in progress.

PalehosePlanet
04-26-2011, 11:52 PM
Baseball Reference. Look under minors fielding for the appropriate year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=vicied001day

15 games in RF, 1 at DH.

Thanks! I don't know why I always forget that baseball-reference has the minors covered as well.

I guess we'll need to give him another 30-40 games before we can get a decent report on how he's doing in RF.

Harry Chappas
04-27-2011, 03:50 PM
Hey DirtySox,

As I know you follow the minors pretty closely and I value your opinion, might there be a few "surprises" in the system? In looking at the small sample size thus far, what about the following guys?:

Tyler Kuhn - Seems like a good hitter but lacks power, esp. for 1st
Brandon Short
Brady Shoemaker
Trayce Thompson
Drew Lee
Ross Wilson

Do any of them project to be anything more than career minor leaguers?

Harry Chappas
04-27-2011, 03:57 PM
Blanke had a nice 2 games yesterday in Kanny's doubleheader.

6-9, 2B, HR, SO

He initially started off somewhat slow, but is now up to .305/.359/.542

How is Blanke defensively? Also, I noticed he has 7 HRs already, so he must have some pop. It'd be nice to have another prospect at C since I'm not sure Flowers is ever going to pan out.

DirtySox
04-27-2011, 04:15 PM
How is Blanke defensively? Also, I noticed he has 7 HRs already, so he must have some pop. It'd be nice to have another prospect at C since I'm not sure Flowers is ever going to pan out.

He actually only has 2 HRs. He does have 7 doubles though. Supposedly he looked a solid defender in rookie ball, but I have yet to read any scouting reports regarding his defense this year. Blanke is a bit older than his competition in Kanny, but he indeed a legitimate prospect. If he keeps hitting he should be in W-S soon.

DirtySox
04-27-2011, 04:22 PM
Hey DirtySox,

As I know you follow the minors pretty closely and I value your opinion, might there be a few "surprises" in the system? In looking at the small sample size thus far, what about the following guys?:

Tyler Kuhn - Seems like a good hitter but lacks power, esp. for 1st
Brandon Short
Brady Shoemaker
Trayce Thompson
Drew Lee
Ross Wilson

Do any of them project to be anything more than career minor leaguers?

I will point you to this (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/future-sox/2011/04/time-for-early-season-overreactions.html), as I pretty much agree with all the assessments within.

And you can read about Drew Lee here (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2011/2611192.html).

As for your list, the only prospect I really like is Thompson. Not on your list though are Blanke, and Jose Martinez. I'm high on both of them. Addison Reed and Jacob Petricka should also be followed if they weren't already. Some of the others are worth keeping tabs on, but their performance doesn't tell me much until they face better competition. I would expand my thoughts, but I'm knee deep in term paper and finals studying at the moment.

sunofgold
05-01-2011, 12:26 AM
Trying to catch up on the minor league team AAA. Jhonny Nunez..his numbers look sick. 1 walk, 17 Ks. Keep that up and we could use in our bullpen.

Bruney looking ok? His stats look decent. Well, except for the walks. heehee.

DirtySox
05-04-2011, 01:48 PM
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
Recently released by the #Angels, the #WhiteSox have signed 2007 sup. 1st pick RHP Jon Bachanov.
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He will be heading to Kannapolis.

One can read about him here (http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/1/26/1271245/jon-bachanov-angels-top-prospect-18) via Halo's Heaven.

Harry Chappas
05-06-2011, 11:42 AM
He will be heading to Kannapolis.

One can read about him here (http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/1/26/1271245/jon-bachanov-angels-top-prospect-18) via Halo's Heaven.

I read the Halo's report you attached and looked at his stats from last year. Looks like this guy has uncanny control. Why would the Angels give up on his so soon? He's only 22 and year removed from TJ surgery.

DirtySox
05-07-2011, 12:54 AM
Dayan up to .303/.336/.486

Might as well promote him to replace Juan. The defense will still be ****ty, but at least Viciedo will hit some.

PalehosePlanet
05-07-2011, 01:06 AM
Dayan up to .303/.336/.486

Might as well promote him to replace Juan. The defense will still be ****ty, but at least Viciedo will hit some.

I've been saying this too, just DFA Juan.

SoxSpeed22
05-07-2011, 01:10 AM
I've been saying this too, just DFA Juan.I think we'll end up trading him for a dime on the dollar, at best for someone who can use a pinch runner. I wouldn't expect more than a D+ prospect. Viciedo might actually excite the fans around here.

KMcMahon817
05-07-2011, 03:20 PM
I've been saying this too, just DFA Juan.

I really do think they should call up Dayan. Just some fresh blood could give the offense the spark it badly needs.

After the Twins sweep, I was so pissed with Juan that I agreed. But, the SOX are probably better off keeping him around as a late inning pinch runner than trading him for some prospect that will never make it.

DirtySox
05-08-2011, 06:15 PM
Jared Mitchell goes 0-5, 5 K today.

Down to .205/.250/.385

K rate at 39.3% which is absolutely awful. Yuck.

102605
05-08-2011, 06:25 PM
Jared Mitchell goes 0-5, 5 K today.

Down to .205/.250/.385

K rate at 39.3% which is absolutely awful. Yuck.

Nice to see there is an upside going on somewhere in the organization!

SoxSpeed22
05-08-2011, 06:35 PM
So is that the platinum sombrero or something?

Marqhead
05-08-2011, 06:45 PM
So is that the platinum sombrero or something?

You got it.

WhiteSox5187
05-08-2011, 08:08 PM
Jared Mitchell goes 0-5, 5 K today.

Down to .205/.250/.385

K rate at 39.3% which is absolutely awful. Yuck.

I saw him playing in the AFL on MLB Network and he had one of the longest swings I have ever seen. He and the organization might have been better off if he stayed with football because I just can't see him making much progress at all.

Harry Chappas
05-09-2011, 11:18 AM
Jared Mitchell goes 0-5, 5 K today.

Down to .205/.250/.385

K rate at 39.3% which is absolutely awful. Yuck.

Not to overreact, but I just don't think this kid is ever going to pan out. He's like Cory Patterson, athletically, but without the skills.

khan
05-09-2011, 11:20 AM
With Mitchell, I still hold out a modicum of hope. I suppose that this is only for the fact that the "braintrust" probably has Mitchell at a higher level than he should be.

Granted, WS isn't all that high of a level, but WS is still at the highest level Mitchell has ever played. Moreover, given him coming off an injury, and having somewhat raw skills, I'm not all that surprised that he's not doing well.

So, I preach patience with Mitchell. [For now.]

rdivaldi
05-09-2011, 01:52 PM
Not to overreact

:rolleyes:

This is Mitchell's first full year of ball, you gotta give it some time.

DirtySox
05-10-2011, 04:22 PM
Ben Badler
Time to be concerned: White Sox '09 first-rounder Jared Mitchell leads the minors with 48 whiffs in 129 PAs in High-A
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At least he leads the minors in something?


Sickels also weighs in:

**Another outfield prospect who missed all of 2010 is White Sox '09 first-rounder Jared Mitchell. Unlike Pollock, Mitchell is seriously struggling this year, hitting just .205/.250/.385 in 117 at-bats for High-A Winston-Salem, with a horrible 6/46 BB/K. He was always raw for a college guy and while he always struck out a lot, he also drew walks at LSU and in Low-A. That has completely left him this year. He's also stolen just three bases in six attempts, and while the word is he hasn't lost the speed he had before his horrible ankle injury last spring, it sure isn't showing up in the numbers. He's in a very deep slump currently, 6-for-40 (.150) in his last 10 games, with 20 strikeouts.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/5/10/2162248/minor-league-notes-may-10th-2011#storyjump

russ99
05-10-2011, 05:23 PM
:rolleyes:

This is Mitchell's first full year of ball, you gotta give it some time.

And at a level higher than he should be, based on missing that full season.
I personally like that the Sox are challenging him with tougher High-A pitching.

Daver
05-10-2011, 05:35 PM
And at a level higher than he should be, based on missing that full season.
I personally like that the Sox are challenging him with tougher High-A pitching.

Where do you draw the line between challenging a player and just plain throwing him in over his head?

russ99
05-10-2011, 05:53 PM
Where do you draw the line between challenging a player and just plain throwing him in over his head?

That is a fine line, and I agree that if he can't work out of this, the Sox could send him back a level to work on things for a month or two.

AA would have been throwing him in over his head. Mitchell has played 34 games at low-A so it's not unreasonable to think he could handle the added difficulty of high-A, especially if he looked good in extended spring training this year.

Daver
05-10-2011, 06:01 PM
That is a fine line, and I agree that if he can't work out of this, the Sox could send him back a level to work on things for a month or two.

AA would have been throwing him in over his head. Mitchell has played 34 games at low-A so it's not unreasonable to think he could handle the added difficulty of high-A, especially if he looked good in extended spring training this year.

At what cost to the kids confidence?

The White Sox approach to how they develop high draft picks simply baffles me, and it doesn't surprise me that so many of them fail, since they set every one of them up to do just that.

DirtySox
05-10-2011, 10:54 PM
Dayan tonight: 4-5, HR, 2B, BB. Up to .303/.346/.496

SoxSpeed22
05-10-2011, 11:25 PM
Dayan has always been able to hit and is walk rate is much higher (not that that's saying a whole lot). I would rather keep him in Charlotte to work on his defense.
As for Mitchell, I said before that we should treat this like year one for him, and I stand by it. Then again, it might be a good thing for him to struggle this early, just to see if he can work his way out of this.

rdivaldi
05-11-2011, 05:58 PM
Danks has been crushing the ball as of late, 6 home runs in the last 10 games. Lots of talent there, maybe he's finally getting it.

DirtySox
05-11-2011, 06:14 PM
Danks has been crushing the ball as of late, 6 home runs in the last 10 games. Lots of talent there, maybe he's finally getting it.

Until he's not striking out at a 36% clip I will remain wary.

DirtySox
05-11-2011, 08:09 PM
Sleeper prospect Tyler Saladino is making his debut with Winston-Salem tonight. He broke his hand in spring training for those that forgot. Hit a 3-run HR in his first AB.

DirtySox
05-12-2011, 12:22 AM
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
Decent arm; range of a lawn ornament. RT @JimMargalus: @Kevin_Goldstein Have you heard any reports on Viciedo's outfield defense so far?
32 Seconds ago (http://twitter.com/#!/Kevin_Goldstein/status/68531137873575936) Favorite Retweet Reply

Sounds about right.

DirtySox
05-12-2011, 03:15 PM
KG mentions Jordan Danks and Tyler Saladino in today's minor league update.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=13897

It's interesting he notes that Saladino is a true SS. Other sources have noted he is more of a 2B.

CWSpalehoseCWS
05-12-2011, 07:00 PM
Daryle Ward was released, but not that anyone cares or should really be surprised.

NLaloosh
05-13-2011, 06:05 PM
Hey, has anyone heard what's going on with Daryle Ward ?

DSpivack
05-13-2011, 07:31 PM
Daryle Ward was released, but not that anyone cares or should really be surprised.

Didn't even know he was still in the organization... or in baseball at all.

Hey, has anyone heard what's going on with Daryle Ward ?

:tongue:

California Sox
05-14-2011, 11:25 PM
Until he's not striking out at a 36% clip I will remain wary.

The weird thing is JorDanks has almost stopped striking out entirely during his recent power surge. Compare his April and May numbers:

April .203 64AB 5R 13H 2D 1T 2HR 11RBI 13bb 25K
May .318. 44AB 12R 14H 4D 1T 6HR 15RBI 2bb 8K

That is like two different types of players. One is a passive player who walks and strikes out a lot and hits for very little power. The other never walks but puts the ball in play with authority. He is like a lefty Viciedo now. That is an extra base hit every four at bats. It is reflected in where he hits in their lineup now. They moved him from first to fifth. This is a small sample size, but JorDanks has changed his approach. I am anxious to see if it lasts.

DirtySox
05-14-2011, 11:32 PM
The weird thing is JorDanks has almost stopped striking out entirely during his recent power surge. Compare his April and May numbers:

April .203 64AB 5R 13H 2D 1T 2HR 11RBI 13bb 25K
May .318. 44AB 12R 14H 4D 1T 6HR 15RBI 2bb 8K

That is like two different types of players. One is a passive player who walks and strikes out a lot and hits for very little power. The other never walks but puts the ball in play with authority. He is like a lefty Viciedo now. That is an extra base hit every four at bats. It is reflected in where he hits in their lineup now. They moved him from first to fifth. This is a small sample size, but JorDanks has changed his approach. I am anxious to see if it lasts.

Indeed. The power surge is noteworthy, but as you stated the sample size is still small with the strikeout reduction. I'm not excited just yet, but I will continue following his progress per usual.

DirtySox
05-15-2011, 11:49 AM
Infante was promoted to Charlotte.

CWSpalehoseCWS
05-16-2011, 05:25 PM
I think Wes Whisler got released too. He's no longer on the Knights roster. Another filler bites the dust.

DirtySox
05-16-2011, 09:45 PM
Mitchell struck out in his first AB tonight, and then was ejected after arguing with the umpire. Martinez replaced him, so it seems his injury wasn't anything serious.

DirtySox
05-17-2011, 07:36 PM
Petricka just left tonight's game after pitching 1.2 innings. The play-by-play noted that is was because of his back. Not good as he was one of the few prospects actually emerging from the miasma that is the Sox farm system.

JermaineDye05
05-18-2011, 12:52 AM
Mitchell struck out in his first AB tonight, and then was ejected after arguing with the umpire. Martinez replaced him, so it seems his injury wasn't anything serious.

For a guy in the minors who strikes out as often as he does, Jared really has no business arguing with umpires.

DirtySox
05-18-2011, 03:30 PM
Buddy Bell on Danks, Viciedo, Mitchell, & More (http://www.beerleaguer.com/whitesox/2011/05/white-sox-buddy-bell-jordan-danks-dayan-viciedo-andre-rienzo-tyler-flowers-jared-mitchell-dan-remenowsky-mark-teahen.html)

DirtySox
05-19-2011, 10:09 PM
KnightsBaseball Charlotte Knights
Benches clearing mini-fight between Knights OF Lastings Milledge and C Max St. Pierre. Milledge ejected from the game replaced by De Aza.
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DonnieDarko
05-20-2011, 02:15 AM
KnightsBaseball Charlotte Knights
Benches clearing mini-fight between Knights OF Lastings Milledge and C Max St. Pierre. Milledge ejected from the game replaced by De Aza.
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Why am I not surprised.

DirtySox
05-21-2011, 02:26 PM
Brandon Hynick was sold to the Reds.

DirtySox
05-21-2011, 05:22 PM
Ryan Buch promoted to W-S. Will now face more age appropriate competition.

DirtySox
05-22-2011, 01:22 PM
Supposedly Petricka's back injury wasn't serious, but his next start was pushed back anyway.

DirtySox
05-22-2011, 06:16 PM
Dayan had 2 homers today. Up to .313/.359/.524

DirtySox
05-24-2011, 11:37 PM
Dexter Carter is headed to Kanny.

WhiteSox5187
05-25-2011, 12:03 AM
Is that kid Escobar still in Charlotte? He looked good in the AFL. I saw his offensive stats didn't look so good.

DirtySox
05-25-2011, 12:40 AM
Is that kid Escobar still in Charlotte? He looked good in the AFL. I saw his offensive stats didn't look so good.

Yes he's still in Charlotte. The bat has been and still is a question mark. The defense is fine though and many see his ceiling as a utility IF.

DirtySox
05-25-2011, 12:49 AM
Dayan wants a promotion. 3 - 4, 3 2Bs tonight. OPS at .899

WhiteSox5187
05-25-2011, 01:24 AM
Yes he's still in Charlotte. The bat has been and still is a question mark. The defense is fine though and many see his ceiling as a utility IF.

That's too bad, he is my height and a few pounds heavier than I am. I would love to see him do well in the majors.

DirtySox
05-25-2011, 05:46 PM
Petricka to the DL.

cards press box
05-26-2011, 07:03 PM
Dayan wants a promotion. 3 - 4, 3 2Bs tonight. OPS at .899

White Sox need a spark. Maybe Dayan can provide that. Perhaps the Sox call Viciedo up, start him in left field, use Pierre as a 4th outfielder and lead off Alex Rios. And who knows? That might get Rios to stop trying to pull everything in sight and get him to just try and get on base (and maybe start hitting balls to right center with authority).

GAsoxfan
05-26-2011, 10:14 PM
Dayan wants a promotion. 3 - 4, 3 2Bs tonight. OPS at .899

In 447 ABs last year (between Charlotte & Chicago), Dayan drew 13 walks.
So far in 175 ABs this year, Dayan has drawn 13 walks. If he really is developing plate discipline, he's going to be a monster.

canOcorn
05-26-2011, 10:46 PM
Looks like Fautino is healthy again, even though he didn't get used in his brief call up, and this may go down as the worst trade in the KW era.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/5/25/2189534/prospect-of-the-day-fautino-de-los-santos-rhp-oakland-athletics

DirtySox
05-27-2011, 12:13 AM
Jared Mitchell has gone 2 games without striking out! Even better, he's walked and hit for power too.

4 - 6, 2 HR, 4 BB.

Hopefully he is rounding into form or something is in the process of clicking.

khan
05-31-2011, 12:34 PM
I have little hope for the 2011 season for our SOX, and the first pick for this season isn't until #47; The SOX will probably again go for the easy sign.


That said, I wondered to myself:

"How Fringy Are These Guys?"

In Birmingham:

Tyler Kuhn, a 15th round pick back in 2008, is enjoying a .908 OPS. Is he a replacement for Beckham?

Christian Marrero, a former FA signing in 2006, has a .953 OPS.

Dan Remenowsky, Brian Omogrosso, and Gregory Infante all have WHIPs below/around 1.2


I thank you in advance for any cogent information about these guys.

EMachine10
05-31-2011, 01:11 PM
Remenowski has been striking guys out like crazy, despite not having overpowering stuff. I think many believe/have believed the strikeouts would curtail following promotions, but so far, so good.

Kuhn doesn't hit for very much power at all - more of a singles hitter, but he could work his way into a utility role.

I tend to think Marrero has been a tick too old for his competition, but I'm interested in seeing his progression.

Omogrosso had some injury concerns, and was highly thought of by the Sox, but from what I understand, he has some work to do.

I thought the issue with Infante was fine-tuning his control.

EMachine10
05-31-2011, 01:18 PM
Hector Santiago has worked a screwball into his repertoire: http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110531&content_id=19812782&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&partnerId=rss_cws

DirtySox
05-31-2011, 01:54 PM
Hector Santiago has worked a screwball into his repertoire: http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110531&content_id=19812782&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&partnerId=rss_cws

I was just about to post this. :D:

He used to be a reliever, but is now starting and the results have been decent so far this year. With the absolute dearth of starting pitching prospects in the system he is one to follow.

khan
05-31-2011, 05:50 PM
Remenowski has been striking guys out like crazy, despite not having overpowering stuff.

Kuhn doesn't hit for very much power at all - more of a singles hitter, but he could work his way into a utility role.

I tend to think Marrero has been a tick too old for his competition,

Omogrosso had some injury concerns, and was highly thought of by the Sox

I thought the issue with Infante was fine-tuning his control.

So, in other words,

Kuhn = Lillibridge
Infante = Santeliz
Remenowsky = Harrell
Marrero and Omogrosso = Career AA fodder

Am I right?

EMachine10
05-31-2011, 06:31 PM
So, in other words,

Kuhn = Lillibridge
Infante = Santeliz
Remenowsky = Harrell
Marrero and Omogrosso = Career AA fodder

Am I right?
Lillibridge was a highly thought of player for Atlanta's system, but I don't get that sense from the Sox. I'm not sure Kuhn has the base stealing abilities of Brent, either. I could be wrong, though, because I've heard he has adequate speed.

Harrell never dominated like Remenowsky, especially in the strikeout department, so I'm not sure I'd go that far. As far as not having overpowering stuff? Perhaps.

Marrero is doing things right down in AA. He probably should be trying his hand at AAA, but then again, some say better pitching competition is down in AA anyway. Depending on how he is with the glove, he could turn into a Ross Gload for a team?

SoxSpeed22
05-31-2011, 06:44 PM
Kuhn is probably closer to Ryan Theriot with his decent speed and fielding to go with using all sides of the field hitting the ball. He needs to stay as a line drive hitter.
Remenowsky can be sneaky fast, but his secondary pitches are going to be what gets him to the majors.
Omogrosso had some big injuries, so I wouldn't expect much from him down the road.
Marrero draws walks, but has been inconsistent his entire career. He can be anywhere from a starter to AAA fodder.
Infante needs to improve his control, but he doesn't give up a whole lot of hits, which is always good for a reliever.

JermaineDye05
05-31-2011, 10:56 PM
Dayan 2-4 with a HR and 2 RBI tonight.

Tank keeps rolling.

DirtySox
06-01-2011, 01:17 AM
**Don't look now, but White Sox outfield prospect Jared Mitchell might be figuring something out at High-A Winston-Salem. He's hitting .355/.432/.581 in his last 10 games, with two homers. More importantly, he has four walks and just five strikeouts in that span. His overall line is now .224/.277/.408, which isn't exactly good but represents considerable improvement over where he was two weeks ago. His overall BB/K still stinks at 11/61, but the reduction in strikeouts and increase in walks over the last stretch is impressive. We need to see if this continues and the sample is tiny, but it is worth watching. The tools have always been here. White Sox officials have spoken recently about Mitchell making adjustments to his swing as he works the rust off from missing all of 2010. Perhaps that is having an impact.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/5/31/2199733/minor-league-notes-may-31st-2011#storyjump

JermaineDye05
06-01-2011, 02:00 AM
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/5/31/2199733/minor-league-notes-may-31st-2011#storyjump

Nice to hear. It sucks that he's still in A ball, but that injury in spring training last year certainly didn't help him.

He turns 23 later this year. It's not quite too late for him.

DSpivack
06-01-2011, 10:45 AM
Nice to hear. It sucks that he's still in A ball, but that injury in spring training last year certainly didn't help him.

He turns 23 later this year. It's not quite too late for him.

Was he completely healthy to start the season?

EMachine10
06-01-2011, 11:04 AM
Was he completely healthy to start the season?
Might depend on your definition, but he played in the AFL.

DSpivack
06-01-2011, 11:15 AM
Might depend on your definition, but he played in the AFL.

I guess my hope on that question is that his injury last season directly or indirectly led to his poor start this season. Whether that has any truth or not, I have no idea.

EMachine10
06-01-2011, 11:32 AM
I guess my hope on that question is that his injury last season directly or indirectly led to his poor start this season. Whether that has any truth or not, I have no idea.
I'm guessing it was more the rust factor, which in my opinion, is an indirect result of his injury (as opposed to his ankle negatively impacting his game).

khan
06-01-2011, 12:39 PM
Lillibridge was a highly thought of player for Atlanta's system,

Harrell never dominated like Remenowsky,

Marrero is doing things right down in AA. He probably should be trying his hand at AAA,

Kuhn is probably closer to Ryan Theriot

Remenowsky can be sneaky fast,

Omogrosso had some big injuries

Marrero draws walks,

Infante needs to improve his control,

Thanks for all of this, guys.

Meanwhile, since I've taken an interest in Mr. Kuhn, his OPS has plummetted from .927 to .888. In any case, if he continues to produce at a good level, he needs to be playing in Charlotte instead of the 30-something Gookie Dawkins. [Only 4 errors in 49 games so far, BTW!]

I'd heard that Remenowsky has a high pitching and baseball IQ, so I'll continue to watch him with interest. That said, he's still a former NDFA, so perhaps he lacks a baseline level of ability to become anything of note.

I don't know what to make of Marrero, Infante, and Omogrosso.


Insofar as Mitchell goes, I'm content to see more improvement on his part. I don't see the need to promote him until he learns everything he needs to learn at A+, regardless of his draft status or age. [This is due to him being considered "raw" when he was drafted.]

I'd rather have him as complete a player as he can be in 2013 in Chicago than to have him become another incomplete player and pushed to Chicago in 2012.

DirtySox
06-01-2011, 12:46 PM
Thanks for all of this, guys.

Meanwhile, since I've taken an interest in Mr. Kuhn, his OPS has plummetted from .927 to .888. In any case, if he continues to produce at a good level, he needs to be playing in Charlotte instead of the 30-something Gookie Dawkins. [Only 4 errors in 49 games so far, BTW!]

I'd heard that Remenowsky has a high pitching and baseball IQ, so I'll continue to watch him with interest. That said, he's still a former NDFA, so perhaps he lacks a baseline level of ability to become anything of note.

I don't know what to make of Marrero, Infante, and Omogrosso.


Insofar as Mitchell goes, I'm content to see more improvement on his part. I don't see the need to promote him until he learns everything he needs to learn at A+, regardless of his draft status or age. [This is due to him being considered "raw" when he was drafted.]

I'd rather have him as complete a player as he can be in 2013 in Chicago than to have him become another incomplete player and pushed to Chicago in 2012.

Kuhn is pretty fringy. Reports of his defense aren't very good. Marrero is hard to get a read on as the organization doesn't really seem to regard him that highly. Rem doesn't have velocity but is the quintessential "knows how to pitch" guy and the results have been great throughout his progression.

Infante is legitimate and the best prospect of the players you mentioned. If he harnesses his control and becomes more consistent with the breaking pitch he could be an impact relief arm.

Ultimately, none of these guys are that great but there isn't much else to get excited about.

JermaineDye05
06-01-2011, 04:57 PM
Might depend on your definition, but he played in the AFL.

Might depend on your definition of "played."

Batted .163 with 27 strikeouts in 24 games.

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat

EMachine10
06-01-2011, 05:18 PM
Might depend on your definition of "played."

Batted .163 with 27 strikeouts in 24 games.

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat
Well, the point was that he played a substantial amount of games and was apparently healthy enough to take the field.

rdivaldi
06-02-2011, 11:22 PM
Phegley with a career night tonight, basically straps the Barons on his back and caries them.

Final Line: 4/4, 1 2B, 1 HR, 7 RBI

SoxSpeed22
06-02-2011, 11:46 PM
Phegley's only 23, so he's still got plenty of time. His defense still has to improve though. Unfortunately for him, for catchers, good defense is more important than good hitting.

DirtySox
06-03-2011, 12:04 AM
Phegley's only 23, so he's still got plenty of time. His defense still has to improve though. Unfortunately for him, for catchers, good defense is more important than good hitting.

Indeed. I'm not optimistic though. He's an awful catcher.

EMachine10
06-03-2011, 03:45 PM
C Michael Blanke promoted to W-S. Mired in a 2-34 slump right now, but has been fairly productive otherwise. He's an interesting one to keep an eye on.

DirtySox
06-03-2011, 03:56 PM
C Michael Blanke promoted to W-S. Mired in a 2-34 slump right now, but has been fairly productive otherwise. He's an interesting one to keep an eye on.

Yea the slump has been prolonged and somewhat disappointing, but he had a pretty decent start to the year. Would like to see some more walks and a bit more power though. How he performs in W-S should be pretty telling as he was a bit old to be playing in Low-A.

I hope Miguel Gonzalez gets the call from extended to Kanny.

EMachine10
06-03-2011, 04:38 PM
Yea the slump has been prolonged and somewhat disappointing, but he had a pretty decent start to the year. Would like to see some more walks and a bit more power though. How he performs in W-S should be pretty telling as he was a bit old to be playing in Low-A.

I hope Miguel Gonzalez gets the call from extended to Kanny.
Jeez, I forgot all about Gonzalez. He has shown some flashes. You're right, hopefully he fills that spot.

DirtySox
06-04-2011, 01:28 PM
Miguel Gonzalez to Kanny.

EMachine10
06-04-2011, 01:43 PM
Miguel Gonzalez to Kanny.
Excellent.

On a different note: Marrero had himself a night: 4-4, 2 HR, 5 R, 3 RBI, 1 BB (.337/.398/.601/.999)

DirtySox
06-04-2011, 01:44 PM
Excellent.

On a different note: Marrero had himself a night: 4-4, 2 HR, 5 R, 3 RBI, 1 BB (.337/.398/.601/.999)

He should be in Charlotte.

khan
06-06-2011, 12:07 PM
He should be in Charlotte.

Agreed. Marrero's older than his competition in AA, and has performed well. At the same time, it's not like anything in Charlotte is "blocking" him, is there?

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 04:17 PM
Agreed. Marrero's older than his competition in AA, and has performed well. At the same time, it's not like anything in Charlotte is "blocking" him, is there?
For some reason, I remember reading that the Sox were intrigued by Jim Gallagher.

khan
06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
For some reason, I remember reading that the Sox were intrigued by Jim Gallagher.

Well, Gallagher's done reasonably well, and was a draft pick, if memory serves.

For Marrero, he's done better than Gallagher did @ Birmingham, but as a NDFA, perhaps the front office regards him as not having a requisite level of talent?

We'll probably never see either guy in Chicago, though...

JermaineDye05
06-07-2011, 12:41 AM
The Tank is the player of the month

http://www.sportspagemagazine.com/content/baseb/mp-baseb/ln-mp-baseb/knights-outfielder-dayan-viciedo-named-player-of-t.shtml?47365

Hitmen77
06-07-2011, 10:18 AM
The Tank is the player of the month

http://www.sportspagemagazine.com/content/baseb/mp-baseb/ln-mp-baseb/knights-outfielder-dayan-viciedo-named-player-of-t.shtml?47365

If he keeps it up, how much longer will the Sox say he's not ready and/or they have no place for him on the major league roster?

johnnyg83
06-08-2011, 01:29 AM
If he keeps it up, how much longer will the Sox say he's not ready and/or they have no place for him on the major league roster?

I'd love to put him at #5 or #6 in the order and LF in place of Pierre. But who the heck leads off? Beckham? Alexei? We don't have the bench to have him just him DH against lefties do we?

Randar68
06-08-2011, 11:18 AM
I'd love to put him at #5 or #6 in the order and LF in place of Pierre. But who the heck leads off? Beckham? Alexei?

Anyone... It's not like Pierre's craptastic defense, .328 OBP or rounghly 50% SB success rate are irreplaceable. Sounds more like a #8 hitter in the national league than a leadoff hitter.

khan
06-10-2011, 12:53 PM
Here's some good news from the farm:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20216498&vkey=news_t247&fext=.jsp&sid=t247

Dylan Axelrod, Tyler Kuhn, Charles Leesman, Christian Marrero, Dan Remenowsky, and Brandon Short all made the Southern League All Star Game.

Matt Zaleski was an "Honorable Mention" to the All Star Game, but had been promoted to AAA.

CWSpalehoseCWS
06-10-2011, 04:29 PM
Anyone... It's not like Pierre's craptastic defense, .328 OBP or rounghly 50% SB success rate are irreplaceable. Sounds more like a #8 hitter in the national league than a leadoff hitter.

Ramirez would be the next best bet. I've always felt the leadoff hitter is only important during that 1st inning, as someone else usually leads off the rest of the game. So I don't see what the big deal is to drop Pierre.

mzh
06-10-2011, 05:37 PM
Ramirez would be the next best bet. I've always felt the leadoff hitter is only important during that 1st inning, as someone else usually leads off the rest of the game. So I don't see what the big deal is to drop Pierre.
FRom what I've heard, he's a good clubhouse guy too. People like him. He's hitting .260/.330, it's not like his bat is costing us games. Guys **** up in the field, and as some have said he's just a scapegoat for this year. It's not that simple, you can't just drop or add guys like it's a damn fantasy team.

DirtySox
06-11-2011, 04:26 PM
Addison Reed promoted to Birmingham. His performance at this level should be rather telling.

This year he has been fantastic so far. Through A and High-A:

1.49 ERA .826 WHIP 36.1 IP 50 SO 5 BB

That's good for a 12.4 SO/9 and a 1.2 BB/9

SoxSpeed22
06-11-2011, 11:55 PM
Terry Doyle also getting called up with Reed. Reed's slider proved to be too much for A and A+ hitters, this will at least be a good challenge for him for the rest of the year.
As for Doyle, he had the talent, but a skin disorder on his pitching hand, to go with a tender shoulder, caused him to have a downer year that made him drop. More of a control guy with a good curveball.

DirtySox
06-12-2011, 12:22 AM
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
VERY legit. RT @JoeCoolMan24: @Kevin_Goldstein #WhiteSox RHP Addison Reed got promoted to AA. Future outlook, reliever or starter? Legit?
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Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
Was meant to relieve. RT @JoeCoolMan24: @Kevin_Goldstein Any chance they switch Reed back to starting? I hope they maximize that value.
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DirtySox
06-13-2011, 01:31 PM
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keithlaw (http://twitter.com/#%21/keithlaw) keithlaw
Heard they changed arm slot, fastball now 95-99 in relief. Could come up fast. RT @ProfessorFog (http://twitter.com/ProfessorFog): @keithlaw (http://twitter.com/keithlaw) Thoughts on Addison Reed?
17 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/keithlaw/status/80321957991682048)KG also mentioned him today in his minor league update. Notes a fastball that has consistently gotten into the upper 90s, and a low-80s slider with good movement and almost doubles as a changeup due to the velocity separation. Also thinks he could be in the Bigs by September.

DirtySox
06-15-2011, 11:25 PM
nickpiecoro Nick Piecoro
Jackson/Hudson deal keeps looking better RT @OwenSerey Holmberg dominant again tonight. 7 IP, 10 K's, 2 hits. 27 consecutive scoreless IP
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Bad trade is still bad.

cws05champ
06-16-2011, 09:50 AM
Bad trade is still bad.

No question...hated it then, still hate it now.

rdivaldi
06-20-2011, 09:22 PM
KG also mentioned him today in his minor league update. Notes a fastball that has consistently gotten into the upper 90s, and a low-80s slider with good movement and almost doubles as a changeup due to the velocity separation. Also thinks he could be in the Bigs by September.

I'd like to know where that radar gun reading came from. The gun in Birmingham is notoriously fast.

EMachine10
06-20-2011, 09:40 PM
Rookie ball is starting right about now - Great Falls debuts tonight.

DirtySox
06-27-2011, 11:07 AM
Petricka finished up his rehab in Bristol and has been promoted to Winston-Salem.

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1240018424/39265_1608410499752_1520888656_1497965_340433_n_no rmal.jpg (http://twitter.com/#%21/jacobpetricka) @jacobpetricka (http://twitter.com/#%21/jacobpetricka) Jacob Petricka
On the road to winston, sure feels good being healthy again
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DirtySox
06-27-2011, 01:44 PM
Saladino is hot, and Kevin Goldstein wrote about him in his minor league update.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14368

cws05champ
06-27-2011, 08:30 PM
Bad trade is still bad.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/organization-reports/arizona-diamondbacks/2011/2612009.html

More on Holmberg....if this kid turns out this could go down as one of the worst trades in our history.

DirtySox
07-01-2011, 01:23 AM
Remenowsky promoted to Charlotte.

khan
07-01-2011, 12:16 PM
Remenowsky promoted to Charlotte.
I like it. I'd also like to see Kuhn and Marrero moved up, who have been solid performers and all stars at Birmingham.

I didn't see this elsewhere, but there were some other players moved around in the farm system earlier this week as well:

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2011/06/27/petricka-to-winston-salem-among-roster-moves/

DirtySox
07-02-2011, 08:56 PM
Saladino hit his 10th HR of the season tonight. 5 in his last 7 games. Sleeper prospect is emerging this year. Major helium right now.

cards press box
07-03-2011, 12:47 AM
No question...hated it then, still hate it now.

OK, the trade didn't work out. Not all of them do. It's not worst trade of the past couple of years, as that prize goes to the second Nick Swisher deal (the one with the Yanks).

Some people, like Phil Rogers in this article (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-06-17/sports/chi-your-morning-phil-hudson-granderson-girardi-20110617_1_daniel-hudson-trade-girardi), will just not let the Hudson/Jackson trade go and continue to berate KW for making the trade. As a Sox fan, I find Rogers' incessent complaining about this deal fairly annoying, particularly in light of the lack of complaining about the Cubs' seven player swap with Tampa Bay to get Matt Garza.

Garza'a numbers this year? 4-6 with a 4.07 ERA with 9.4 K's and 3.4 BB's per 9 innings. Jackson's numbers? 5-6 with a 4.24 ERA with 7.8 K's and 3 BB's per 9 innings. Garza and Jackson are both 27.

Garza and Jackson are similar pitchers and have pitched roughly the same this year. The Cubs didn't give up two prospects for Garza,; they gave up four (pitcher Chris Archer, shortstop Hak-Ju Lee, catcher Robinson Chinnos and and outfielder Brandon Guyer) plus major league outfielder Sam Fuld. The Cubs gave up a lot of talent all across the diamond to get Garza. Funny, the silence from Rogers on the Garza deal is deafening.

And unlike the Cubs (who really have no choice but to hold onto Garza), the Sox can move Jackson at the trading deadline when John Danks is ready to come off the DL. And given the lack of starting pitching available at the trade deadline, the Sox should be able to obtain a pretty good value for Jackson.

One more thing -- if people are not going to stop complaining about the Hudson deal, shouldn't people be at least as vocal praising KW for signing Phil Humber when Oakland released him? And remember, if the Sox didn't trade for Jackson (and still had Hudson), then the Sox might have brought in a another veteran starter in the offseason (someone like say, Jon Garland) as insurance for Peavy, as they would not have necessarily wanted to rely on a young starter such as Hudson. And who knows, in that scenario, maybe they wouldn't have signed Humber at all, as Hudson would have filled the position of 6th starter/long man in the bullpen. That was Humber's role in the beginning of this year but given the opportunity to start, Humber blossomed.

DirtySox
07-03-2011, 02:31 AM
OK, the trade didn't work out. Not all of them do. It's not worst trade of the past couple of years, as that prize goes to the second Nick Swisher deal (the one with the Yanks).

Some people, like Phil Rogers in this article (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-06-17/sports/chi-your-morning-phil-hudson-granderson-girardi-20110617_1_daniel-hudson-trade-girardi), will just not let the Hudson/Jackson trade go and continue to berate KW for making the trade. As a Sox fan, I find Rogers' incessent complaining about this deal fairly annoying, particularly in light of the lack of complaining about the Cubs' seven player swap with Tampa Bay to get Matt Garza.

Garza'a numbers this year? 4-6 with a 4.07 ERA with 9.4 K's and 3.4 BB's per 9 innings. Jackson's numbers? 5-6 with a 4.24 ERA with 7.8 K's and 3 BB's per 9 innings. Garza and Jackson are both 27.

Garza and Jackson are similar pitchers and have pitched roughly the same this year. The Cubs didn't give up two prospects for Garza,; they gave up four (pitcher Chris Archer, shortstop Hak-Ju Lee, catcher Robinson Chinnos and and outfielder Brandon Guyer) plus major league outfielder Sam Fuld. The Cubs gave up a lot of talent all across the diamond to get Garza. Funny, the silence from Rogers on the Garza deal is deafening.

And unlike the Cubs (who really have no choice but to hold onto Garza), the Sox can move Jackson at the trading deadline when John Danks is ready to come off the DL. And given the lack of starting pitching available at the trade deadline, the Sox should be able to obtain a pretty good value for Jackson.

One more thing -- if people are not going to stop complaining about the Hudson deal, shouldn't people be at least as vocal praising KW for signing Phil Humber when Oakland released him? And remember, if the Sox didn't trade for Jackson (and still had Hudson), then the Sox might have brought in a another veteran starter in the offseason (someone like say, Jon Garland) as insurance for Peavy, as they would not have necessarily wanted to rely on a young starter such as Hudson. And who knows, in that scenario, maybe they wouldn't have signed Humber at all, as Hudson would have filled the position of 6th starter/long man in the bullpen. That was Humber's role in the beginning of this year but given the opportunity to start, Humber blossomed.

The trade sucked and still sucks. Stop rationalizing it.

cards press box
07-03-2011, 12:07 PM
The trade sucked and still sucks. Stop rationalizing it.

You are wrong, I am not rationalizing the trade. I, too, wish the Sox had kept Hudson. But they didn't. KW probably concluded that Hudson's value had peaked and that he wouldn't be anything more than a mid to back of the rotation guy. That looks like a mistake now and, of course, the mistake can't be undone. Perhaps the Sox can mitigate their loss if they move Jackson at the 2011 trade deadline.

I am primarily saying two things: (1) GM's who try to accomplish anything will make mistakes and (2) KW should be recognized as loudly for his hits as he is criticized for his misses. On this board, posters often forget the hits and never seem to forget the misses.

rdivaldi
07-03-2011, 01:25 PM
The trade sucked and still sucks. Stop rationalizing it.

Regardless, the point of his post is still correct. Phil goes above and beyond with his criticism of KW's trades and pretty much runs away from the ones that he's flat out wrong about.

IMO fans spend too much time bitching and moaning about the rare prospect that got away, when in reality 95% of the guys KW traded end up being pieces of crap or bench players.

rdivaldi
07-03-2011, 01:26 PM
I am primarily saying two things: (1) GM's who try to accomplish anything will make mistakes and (2) KW should be recognized as loudly for his hits as he is criticized for his misses. On this board, posters often forget the hits and never seem to forget the misses.

Spot on, this is too obvious for some people.

spawn
07-03-2011, 01:28 PM
The trade sucked and still sucks. Stop rationalizing it.
He's entitled to his opinion. Even if though he says he wasn't rationalizing the trade, it's his prerogative to do so. If you want to provide a counter argument as you have done before, that's fine. But don't tell posters here what they should and shouldn't do.

NLaloosh
07-03-2011, 07:24 PM
You are wrong, I am not rationalizing the trade. I, too, wish the Sox had kept Hudson. But they didn't. KW probably concluded that Hudson's value had peaked and that he wouldn't be anything more than a mid to back of the rotation guy. That looks like a mistake now and, of course, the mistake can't be undone. Perhaps the Sox can mitigate their loss if they move Jackson at the 2011 trade deadline.

I am primarily saying two things: (1) GM's who try to accomplish anything will make mistakes and (2) KW should be recognized as loudly for his hits as he is criticized for his misses. On this board, posters often forget the hits and never seem to forget the misses.

Okay, I am recognizing KW for his MISSES. Now, I will recognize him for his hit.

cards press box
07-04-2011, 02:56 AM
Okay, I am recognizing KW for his MISSES. Now, I will recognize him for his hit.


Which hit would that be? Signing Estaban Loaiza off the waiver wire in 2003 or trading Loaiza for this pitcher in 2004:

http://www.vesphoto.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/2005-World-Series-First-Pitch.jpg


or perhaps trading minor leaguer Chris Carter for this guy:

http://wsoxpanther.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/carlos-quentin.jpg

or perhaps trading the oft-injured Brandon McCarthy for this guy:

http://fourhorsementattoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/danks.jpg

or perhaps signing this free agent starter in the past off season:

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/phil-humber.jpg?w=300

There are certainly a lot more examples of successful moves from KW but I am not going to belabor the point.

DirtySox
07-04-2011, 11:05 AM
Dayan Viciedo is Sickels' prospect of the day. A pretty accurate assessment I'd say.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/7/4/2255366/prospect-of-the-day-dayan-viciedo-of-chicago-white-sox-2011-All-Star-Futures-Game-baseball

cards press box
07-04-2011, 01:01 PM
Dayan Viciedo is Sickels' prospect of the day. A pretty accurate assessment I'd say.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/7/4/2255366/prospect-of-the-day-dayan-viciedo-of-chicago-white-sox-2011-All-Star-Futures-Game-baseball

He seems a little young to DH at this point. Do the Sox ultimately put him in LF?

DirtySox
07-04-2011, 01:06 PM
He seems a little young to DH at this point. Do the Sox ultimately put him in LF?

That or shift Quentin back to LF.

And age really doesn't have much to do with it. The consensus is he is not likely to be a good defender no matter where he is placed. He has a good arm, but the defensive positives end about there. An apt comparison for Dayan is Carlos Lee on both sides of the ball. Probably with more power potential though.

JermaineDye05
07-04-2011, 01:50 PM
That or shift Quentin back to LF.

And age really doesn't have much to do with it. The consensus is he is not likely to be a good defender no matter where he is placed. He has a good arm, but the defensive positives end about there. An apt comparison for Dayan is Carlos Lee on both sides of the ball. Probably with more power potential though.

What about Ryan Braun or Alfonso Soriano?

Soriano probably more likely just cause I haven't seen Braun defend much, but I haven't heard anything really positive about him in LF.

DirtySox
07-04-2011, 02:11 PM
What about Ryan Braun or Alfonso Soriano?

Soriano probably more likely just cause I haven't seen Braun defend much, but I haven't heard anything really positive about him in LF.

What about them?

SoxNation05
07-04-2011, 02:17 PM
What about Ryan Braun or Alfonso Soriano?

Soriano probably more likely just cause I haven't seen Braun defend much, but I haven't heard anything really positive about him in LF.

Both of those guys have/had speed?

DirtySox
07-04-2011, 02:26 PM
What about Ryan Braun or Alfonso Soriano?

Soriano probably more likely just cause I haven't seen Braun defend much, but I haven't heard anything really positive about him in LF.

I like Dayan. Most of the board does too. He can hit, and hit well. He has plenty of power, ridiculous bat speed, and makes solid contact without striking out much for a slugger.

The reviews of his defense are not good though. The range isn't there, just as it was absent at 3B and 1B. I can't comment on the reads he gets as I haven't seen him play much other than a miniscule spring training sample size. But when people who are paid to scout, analyze, and write about prospects are noting his defense at best could be "mediocre" or "tolerable" its fair to temper expectations about his play in the field.

JermaineDye05
07-04-2011, 02:27 PM
What about them?

Would they be accurate comparisons to Dayan seeing as they are not particularly good fielders but are above average hitters.

I think Soriano mostly since he's **** in the OF and he's also a high strikeout guy at the plate.

DirtySox
07-04-2011, 02:35 PM
Would they be accurate comparisons to Dayan seeing as they are not particularly good fielders but are above average hitters.

I think Soriano mostly since he's **** in the OF and he's also a high strikeout guy at the plate.

Soriano used to play SS and 2B. He actually possesses the tools and skills to go get balls. He's considerably more athletic than someone like Dayan. Alfonso actually isn't all that bad of an OF according to most metrics. He can get to the ball better than most, but he does plenty of stupid **** when he actually gets to it.

PalehosePlanet
07-04-2011, 04:06 PM
That or shift Quentin back to LF.

And age really doesn't have much to do with it. The consensus is he is not likely to be a good defender no matter where he is placed. He has a good arm, but the defensive positives end about there. An apt comparison for Dayan is Carlos Lee on both sides of the ball. Probably with more power potential though.

Good comparison: Carlos Lee also started off as a 3B in our minor league system but had to move to LF because of his bad foot work at the hot corner.

Contrary, however, to most on this board, I thought Carlos improved in LF as time went by and became a tolerable fielder out there. (Remember I'm old enough to have seen Ron Kittle and Greg Luzinski out there, who were Chili Davis bad in the OF.)

The biggest problem I had w/Carlos (and Magglio as well) was that they constantly threw the ball over the cut-off man and to the plate when they had no chance of throwing the runner out at the plate. This was absolutely maddening because it would allow the batter to take second on the throw, more often than not. If Dayan plays at Lee's level, but actually throws to the cut-off man, I could live with him in left -- if he doesn't take to RF.

His bat speed, btw, is the best I've seen from a Sox player since Dick Allen, and that's no joke. The sound his bat makes with the ball at contact is something I've never heard before. If he fails, he fails, but at this point I'd love to see him play everyday and see what happens.

Daver
07-04-2011, 06:04 PM
That or shift Quentin back to LF.

And age really doesn't have much to do with it. The consensus is he is not likely to be a good defender no matter where he is placed. He has a good arm, but the defensive positives end about there. An apt comparison for Dayan is Carlos Lee on both sides of the ball. Probably with more power potential though.


Carlos was more athletic than Dayan is, he just looks awkward playing defense.

eastchicagosoxfan
07-04-2011, 08:15 PM
Carlos was more athletic than Dayan is, he just looks awkward playing defense.
Time will tell, but is the old Jon Kruk quote, "I'm not an athlete, I'm a ballplayer" fit a guy like Viciedo?

Daver, what you basing your opinion on? Scouting reports, personal observations...etc?

Daver
07-04-2011, 08:29 PM
Time will tell, but is the old Jon Kruk quote, "I'm not an athlete, I'm a ballplayer" fit a guy like Viciedo?

Daver, what you basing your opinion on? Scouting reports, personal observations...etc?

It has nothing to do with being out of shape like Kruk was, it's more that he looks uncomfortable just being out there, kind of like when the Sox put Josh Fields in left.


I know a minor league scout for the Twins that lets me borrow his Knights game film.

DirtySox
07-06-2011, 12:37 AM
Jose Martinez was promoted to Birmingham. Tyler Kuhn was promoted to Charlotte.

SoxSpeed22
07-06-2011, 12:45 AM
Jose Martinez was promoted to Birmingham. Tyler Kuhn was promoted to Charlotte.So trade bait then?
Also, good for Martinez, injuries kept this from happening sooner.

CWSpalehoseCWS
07-06-2011, 01:36 AM
Nice to see Kuhn get promoted, even it it is because of an injury. Amazed that KW Jr. is still starting even with Martinez now in Birmingham. Here's hoping that they both stay there. There some garbage fillers on each of those teams.

DirtySox
07-08-2011, 02:24 PM
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07-08-2011, 02:51 PM
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That sucks. He could have been a decent bullpen arm, if needed. That's the third pitcher the SOX have lost to waivers with an already barren farm.

NLaloosh
07-09-2011, 01:41 AM
I never saw anything in Harrell that would lead me to believe that he would improve somebody"s bullpen.

DirtySox
07-09-2011, 11:51 PM
Keenyn Walker goes 2 - 6, 2B, 2 SO in his debut with Great Falls.

EMachine10
07-12-2011, 08:04 AM
In his first 3 games, Walker has smacked 4 doubles (6 hits) and he stole 2 bases last night. 5 strikeouts/0 walks.

mzh
07-12-2011, 12:43 PM
What's the deal with Kuhn in the field? He seems to have split almost equal time at 2B, SS, 3B and Left Field.

DirtySox
07-12-2011, 01:47 PM
What's the deal with Kuhn in the field? He seems to have split almost equal time at 2B, SS, 3B and Left Field.

The deal is that he isn't all that great of a defender. He's versatile though and profiles like a utility-man.

DirtySox
07-13-2011, 01:58 PM
The International League All-Star Game is on MLB Network tonight at 8. Viciedo batting 4th playing LF.

DSpivack
07-13-2011, 02:34 PM
The International League All-Star Game is on MLB Network tonight at 8. Viciedo batting 4th playing LF.

I don't get MLB Network, and saw that it will be shown on MILB.tv. I assume that's only for MILB.tv subcribers, though, and not for free?

DirtySox
07-13-2011, 02:58 PM
I don't get MLB Network, and saw that it will be shown on MILB.tv. I assume that's only for MILB.tv subcribers, though, and not for free?

I would think paid only.

DSpivack
07-13-2011, 03:07 PM
I would think paid only.

Damn. I wish it was included as part of MLB.tv, or at least the premium version of it, as I wouldn't watch it enough to pay to use it on it's own.

JermaineDye05
07-14-2011, 10:02 AM
After seeing Dayan in the two allstar games, I have to say that it definitely looks like he has lost some weight.

PorkChopExpress
07-14-2011, 01:38 PM
Did anyone watch? How did Dayan do?

DirtySox
07-15-2011, 11:26 AM
Phegley to AAA and Kuhn back to AA.

JermaineDye05
07-15-2011, 07:24 PM
Did anyone watch? How did Dayan do?

1-4.

He hit the ball hard a couple times.

Love the sound the ball makes off his bat.

DirtySox
07-18-2011, 02:34 PM
Silverio was promoted to W-S. Ravelo to Kanny.

DirtySox
07-19-2011, 01:36 AM
Walker will be promoted to Kanny at the conclusion of the Great Falls road trip.

SoxSpeed22
07-19-2011, 01:51 AM
Worth challenging him at this point. He is more polished than Mitchell was, but still needs to keep working.

rdivaldi
07-19-2011, 10:26 PM
Bristol puts up a 12 spot on Elizabethton in the 6th inning tonight. What makes it extra sweet is that it's against a Twins affiliate.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2011_07_19_brirok_elirok_1

It's also time for Kevan Smith to be moved up, he's destroying the ball.

DirtySox
07-19-2011, 10:28 PM
Bristol puts up a 12 spot on Elizabethton in the 6th inning tonight. What makes it extra sweet is that it's against a Twins affiliate.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2011_07_19_brirok_elirok_1

It's also time for Kevan Smith to be moved up, he's destroying the ball.

I'm with you on Smith. He's a college senior. Destroying rookie ball is pretty pointless for him.

rdivaldi
07-19-2011, 11:24 PM
I'm with you on Smith. He's a college senior. Destroying rookie ball is pretty pointless for him.

Agreed, and I think the only thing that could be handcuffing the organization is that they want to give Gonzalez an extended look in Kanny. The catching situation in WS is pitiful too, but that's too big a jump for Smith, or Gonzalez for that matter.

DirtySox
07-19-2011, 11:28 PM
Agreed, and I think the only thing that could be handcuffing the organization is that they want to give Gonzalez an extended look in Kanny. The catching situation in WS is pitiful too, but that's too big a jump for Smith, or Gonzalez for that matter.

I haven't given up on Blanke in W-S yet. But yes, there just doesn't seem to be much room for Smith at the moment.

DSpivack
07-19-2011, 11:31 PM
Agreed, and I think the only thing that could be handcuffing the organization is that they want to give Gonzalez an extended look in Kanny. The catching situation in WS is pitiful too, but that's too big a jump for Smith, or Gonzalez for that matter.

As someone who is pretty ignorant about minor league ball, is the gulf in class between High-A and Low-A that great?

rdivaldi
07-19-2011, 11:40 PM
As someone who is pretty ignorant about minor league ball, is the gulf in class between High-A and Low-A that great?

I personally think it is, but I don't have any quantitative information to back it up. Over my years of watching minor league ball, I've noticed that the jump from Rookie ball to A and the jump from A to Adv A seem to be the roughest on the kids. Again, I have nothing to back this up, it's just a gut feeling. Over the past couple of years, Dan Hudson, Sale and Addison Reed have cruised through multiple levels with not even a hiccup. (BTW Addison Reed is just insane this year, his numbers are ridiculous.)

DirtySox
07-22-2011, 03:44 PM
Both Mitchell and Dayan make BA's not so hot sheet.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2011/2612126.html

JermaineDye05
07-22-2011, 03:57 PM
Both Mitchell and Dayan make BA's not so hot sheet.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2011/2612126.html

Dayan's strikeout totals are nice. He still should be up here.

SoxSpeed22
07-25-2011, 01:47 AM
Dylan Axelrod was perfect through 7 and kept the shutout through 8, but the Knights lost it in the 9th.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110724&content_id=22261462&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&tcid=tw_share

DirtySox
07-25-2011, 12:35 PM
Silverio played RF last night. Hopefully this will continue. He has 28 errors at 3B this year.

DirtySox
07-25-2011, 04:13 PM
Dan Hudson update!

In his Diamondbacks career, Huddy has put together the following:

25 Quality Starts
17-7 Record
2.99 ERA
220 innings
192 hits
47 BB
179 K
1.086 WHIP

Hudson has the 10th highest WAR amongst 104 SP this year. He's also under team control for 5 more years.

Domeshot17
07-25-2011, 04:55 PM
Dan Hudson update!

In his Diamondbacks career, Huddy has put together the following:

25 Quality Starts
17-7 Record
2.99 ERA
220 innings
192 hits
47 BB
179 K
1.086 WHIP

Hudson has the 10th highest WAR amongst 104 SP this year. He's also under team control for 5 more years.

NL Doesn't Count

DirtySox
07-25-2011, 06:30 PM
Kevan Smith promoted to Great Falls.

DSpivack
07-25-2011, 06:31 PM
Dan Hudson update!

In his Diamondbacks career, Huddy has put together the following:

25 Quality Starts
17-7 Record
2.99 ERA
220 innings
192 hits
47 BB
179 K
1.086 WHIP

Hudson has the 10th highest WAR amongst 104 SP this year. He's also under team control for 5 more years.

This is a minor league thread. You may want to mention how Holmberg is doing, as well. :tongue:

EMachine10
07-25-2011, 07:40 PM
Kevan Smith promoted to Great Falls.
I think he should be in Kanny, but I guess this is a step in the right direction. The Sox have somehow assembled a log-jam of catchers in the organization that need at bats.

rdivaldi
07-25-2011, 10:09 PM
This is a minor league thread. You may want to mention how Holmberg is doing, as well. :tongue:

Holmberg is getting lit up since his promotion to Adv A ball. ERA approaching 5, 3 of his last 5 starts have been awful. He's only 20, so there's plenty of time for him to get it right.

EMachine10
07-25-2011, 10:16 PM
Silverio played RF last night. Hopefully this will continue. He has 28 errors at 3B this year.
Played 2B tonight.

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 07:42 PM
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