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eriqjaffe
03-24-2011, 10:20 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/110324_white_sox_design&sportCat=mlb

The guy who designed them (or, at least, the prototype that they came from) is a Braves fan. Never knew that.

ewokpelts
03-24-2011, 10:30 AM
I'm still amazed the Sox havent changed the current uniform. The team wore THREE different uniforms from 1981-1989. And this current one(and used at the last game in old comiskey) has only seen slight modifications over the last 20 years.

hi im skot
03-24-2011, 10:39 AM
I'm still amazed the Sox havent changed the current uniform. The team wore THREE different uniforms from 1981-1989. And this current one(and used at the last game in old comiskey) has only seen slight modifications over the last 20 years.

Thankfully.

russ99
03-24-2011, 10:44 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/110324_white_sox_design&sportCat=mlb

The guy who designed them (or, at least, the prototype that they came from) is a Braves fan. Never knew that.

Great article.

Imagine if any of the other finalist ideas won... (shudder)

I find it pretty odd that all those finalist ideas were partially based on the Astros rainbow jerseys, which are pretty much universally accepted as the ugliest of all time. I see a bit of 70s Expos in there too, especially in the hats.

As for our current uniforms, there's no need to change what's pretty much perfect, except for the removal of the sock-diamond logo.

eriqjaffe
03-24-2011, 11:00 AM
I find it pretty odd that all those finalist ideas were partially based on the Astros rainbow jerseys, which are pretty much universally accepted as the ugliest of all time. I see a bit of 70s Expos in there too, especially in the hats.Well, it was 1981 - those Astros/Expos designs were still kind of cutting-edge at the time. The swing back towards more traditional uniform styles happened towards the end of the decade.

FielderJones
03-24-2011, 11:00 AM
I'm still amazed the Sox havent changed the current uniform.

Good uniform design is timeless.


http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1912_chicago.gif
1912


http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1938_chicago.gif
1938

TomBradley72
03-24-2011, 12:29 PM
Great article.

Imagine if any of the other finalist ideas won... (shudder)

I find it pretty odd that all those finalist ideas were partially based on the Astros rainbow jerseys, which are pretty much universally accepted as the ugliest of all time. I see a bit of 70s Expos in there too, especially in the hats.

As for our current uniforms, there's no need to change what's pretty much perfect, except for the removal of the sock-diamond logo.

I would like them to add "White Sox" under "Chicago" for the road uniforms (like the red uniforms from 1971-1975)

eriqjaffe
03-24-2011, 12:39 PM
Good uniform design is timeless.


http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1912_chicago.gif
1912


http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1938_chicago.gif
1938There was this little diversion in there, of course:

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1932_chicago.gif

FielderJones
03-24-2011, 01:11 PM
There was this little diversion in there, of course:

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1932_chicago.gif

True. And though it was sort of cool, the classic look prevailed after three years of that, with the change to the block letter logo going into the late 1940s. The O and X nestled into the curves of the S was good design, and good designs last.
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1948_chicago.gif
1948

1949 was the start of the Old English script Sox, another classic design that was part of the red pinstripes and the current uniforms. 1976-1989 was an era of bad Sox uniform design.

Lip Man 1
03-24-2011, 01:29 PM
Fielder:

We'll have to disagree. I had no issues with the uniforms worn from 82 through 85. I also liked the version they wore in 1990 (which had been around since 88 or so.)

Lip

eriqjaffe
03-24-2011, 01:51 PM
True. And though it was sort of cool, the classic look prevailed after three years of that, with the change to the block letter logo going into the late 1940s. The O and X nestled into the curves of the S was good design, and good designs last.I agree - I wouldn't mind seeing something like that come back as an occasional alternate, kind of like the "Sunday Specials" they wore in 2001.

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/pics/5673_01_lg.jpg

downstairs
03-24-2011, 01:53 PM
I agree - I wouldn't mind seeing something like that come back as an occasional alternate, kind of like the "Sunday Specials" they wore in 2001.



I really dislike "sunday specials" teams do. Throwback days should be a one-off... maybe 2-3 times per year.

Lamp81
03-24-2011, 02:43 PM
Fielder:

We'll have to disagree. I had no issues with the uniforms worn from 82 through 85. I also liked the version they wore in 1990 (which had been around since 88 or so.)

Lip

I also liked the 87-90 uniforms as well. I just HATED the hat which had the Einhorn "E" disguised as a Chicago "C". The Red/Blue color scheme is also traditional for the White Sox.

Irishsox1
03-24-2011, 04:26 PM
1988 Joke

Question: "What's the only standing the White Sox lead the Major Leagues in?"

Answer: "Uniform changes!" Zing!

Brian26
03-24-2011, 08:29 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/110324_white_sox_design&sportCat=mlb

The guy who designed them (or, at least, the prototype that they came from) is a Braves fan. Never knew that.

Wow, that was a great read. Funny how his original design was tweaked so much when the prototype was created.

FielderJones
03-24-2011, 08:56 PM
The Red/Blue color scheme is also traditional for the White Sox.

Not really. Look through the uniforms year by year. Black is used much more often than Red/Blue.

Lip Man 1
03-24-2011, 11:17 PM
Fielder:

From 1949 or so until 1991 the Sox uniform had navy or dark navy in it in various degrees. That's a long time. Off the top of my head I don't know how often they used navy before then.

Lip

Lamp81
03-25-2011, 12:29 AM
Not really. Look through the uniforms year by year. Black is used much more often than Red/Blue.

Yet the logo you use by your name is from one of the Blue uniforms. Even in the 50s when they used Black they also used Red.

Nellie_Fox
03-25-2011, 12:47 AM
Fielder:

From 1949 or so until 1991 the Sox uniform had navy or dark navy in it in various degrees. That's a long time. Off the top of my head I don't know how often they used navy before then.

LipFrom 1949 to 1964 it was black, in 1951 they added red. When they dumped the red in '64, they also went to very dark navy blue.

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1949_chicago.gif

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1963_chicago.gif 1963

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1964_chicago.gif 1964

DSpivack
03-25-2011, 01:13 AM
From 1949 to 1964 it was black, in 1951 they added red. When they dumped the red in '64, they also went to very dark navy blue.

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1949_chicago.gif

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1963_chicago.gif 1963

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1964_chicago.gif 1964


Those '63 home unis I love.

I remember in 2005 against the Dodgers AJ hit a majestic game-winning HR, that night they were wearing '59 throwbacks. Were those different from those '63 unis?

Nellie_Fox
03-25-2011, 01:33 AM
Those '63 home unis I love.

I remember in 2005 against the Dodgers AJ hit a majestic game-winning HR, that night they were wearing '59 throwbacks. Were those different from those '63 unis?I think only the stirrups. And not just the World Series stirrups, the regular ones were a little different.
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1959_chicago.gif 1959

Red Barchetta
03-25-2011, 08:47 AM
I think only the stirrups. And not just the World Series stirrups, the regular ones were a little different.
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1959_chicago.gif 1959

What's a "stirrup"? :tongue:

Red Barchetta
03-25-2011, 08:53 AM
I really dislike "sunday specials" teams do. Throwback days should be a one-off... maybe 2-3 times per year.

I would like to see the SOX only wear their black alternate jerseys on Sundays (both home and away) and then wear their regular matching pants/jerseys the rest of the week.

In terms of throwbacks, I think it would be cool if the SOX & Cubs could jointly market a specific era each season for their interleague series. I know Brooks and the SOX marketing staff have usually chosen uniforms that marked some kind of historical moment in SOX history, however I think it would be great to see the SOX and Cubs both wear their 1959 uniforms (both home and away) for the interleague series for example. Perhaps the fans could vote on what year, etc.

I know MLB has certain rules and the teams need to submit their requests in advance, etc., however some of the throwbacks have been pretty weak unless both teams participate.

TomBradley72
03-25-2011, 10:48 AM
I would like to see the SOX only wear their black alternate jerseys on Sundays (both home and away) and then wear their regular matching pants/jerseys the rest of the week.

In terms of throwbacks, I think it would be cool if the SOX & Cubs could jointly market a specific era each season for their interleague series. I know Brooks and the SOX marketing staff have usually chosen uniforms that marked some kind of historical moment in SOX history, however I think it would be great to see the SOX and Cubs both wear their 1959 uniforms (both home and away) for the interleague series for example. Perhaps the fans could vote on what year, etc.

I know MLB has certain rules and the teams need to submit their requests in advance, etc., however some of the throwbacks have been pretty weak unless both teams participate.

Great idea- I would love to see ONE GAME where they wear the 1971-1975 unis

Viva Medias B's
03-25-2011, 10:59 AM
Someday, I would like to see a return to the red of the early '70s in some form.

Lip Man 1
03-25-2011, 12:19 PM
Nellie:

I have actual color photographs of the players in the 1950's and the uniform color were for home for example an off white (say cream color) a dark NAVY BLUE logo and pinstripes and red trim. Not black.

I have also personally seen and photographed Billy Pierce's 1959 White Sox uniform and the color scheme is the same as I stated above.

For whatever that's worth to you.

Red:

Regarding the throwbacks, here is what Brooks said about that in his interview with WSI:

ML: “Throwback” games and weekends are very popular around major league baseball. Last year the Sox had the chance to honor the 1967, 1972 and 1977 clubs on their 40th, 35th and 30th anniversaries respectively, yet you chose to go in a different direction. This isn’t a criticism but I’m wondering why you didn’t?

BB: “That’s a very fair question. With no disrespect to those teams, some of the best loved in Sox history, they didn’t get to the World Series. To some fans, 1977 for example, just isn’t relevant. We honored the 1959 team with a weekend because they got to the World Series. A few years ago we honored the 20th anniversary of the 1983 team because they were special to a large number of our fans. We’re going to do something again this season on the 25th anniversary but it won’t be as involved. We’ll have a game where we wear the 1983 style uniforms. We’ll also have our ‘halfway to St. Patrick’s Day,’ where we wear the green uniforms and we’ve got the camouflage jerseys on July 4th. We don’t want this to become gimmicky, we want to do things that are relevant to our current fans. (Author’s Note: It was at this point that I tried to sell Brooks on the idea of the red pinstriped era, aka Dick Allen and how special that was to my generation!)

Lip

Nellie_Fox
03-25-2011, 12:41 PM
Nellie:

I have actual color photographs of the players in the 1950's and the uniform color were for home for example an off white (say cream color) a dark NAVY BLUE logo and pinstripes and red trim. Not black.

I have also personally seen and photographed Billy Pierce's 1959 White Sox uniform and the color sceme is the same as I stated above.

For whatever that's worth to you.

LipWell, tell that to Mitchell and Ness, as my '59 Nellie Fox jersey is, as you state, cream colored, but the logo and numbers are absolutely black with red trim. My '59 fitted cap is also absolutely black. The pictures that I put above from the Hall of Fame uniform data base sure look black to me.

eriqjaffe
03-25-2011, 01:14 PM
Well, tell that to Mitchell and Ness, as my '59 Nellie Fox jersey is, as you state, cream colored, but the logo and numbers are absolutely black with red trim. My '59 fitted cap is also absolutely black. The pictures that I put above from the Hall of Fame uniform data base sure look black to me.FWIW, the Hall of Fame database (taken from Mark Okkonen's "Baseball Uniforms of the 20th Century" is not always entirely accurate.

That being said, it sure looks black to me.

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=59143&qf=4&q=1959&period=open&s=AuctionEnd%20DESC,%20Featured%20DESC,%20RandNo%2 0ASC&p=0&auclisttype=closed&ListStyle=&auccat=Golf

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/pics/59143_01_lg.jpg

eriqjaffe
03-25-2011, 01:17 PM
Also, the Sox themselves refer to the black pin stripes.

http://mlb.mlb.com/cws/history/uniforms.jsp

I suppose it's possible that there would be variance in dye, or possibly fading, that resulted in a blue-black hue.

Lip Man 1
03-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Nellie:

I've got a 59 hat as well, I also have the complete Chicago Sun-Times for the day of September 23, 1959 the day after the Sox won the pennant.

It has a big full color photo of Al Lopez on it in his home uniform.

I can only tell you what my eyes tell me.

Lip

WhiteSox5187
03-25-2011, 01:33 PM
Nellie:

I've got a 59 hat as well, I also have the complete Chicago Sun-Times for the day of September 23, 1959 the day after the Sox won the pennant.

It has a big full color photo of Al Lopez on it in his home uniform.

I can only tell you what my eyes tell me.

Lip

Everything I have seen from those uniforms suggests to me that those hats and the pinstripes were black. Now by '64 it looked like they were wearing a dark navy blue.

Back to the '83 jersey, I know some people here hate that jersey, and while they weren't wearing it in '87 when I was born they were evidently selling baby clothes with that jersey in '87 because there are pictures of me wearing that style of jersey as a baby. So I have a fondness for it.

Brian26
03-25-2011, 01:35 PM
I thought the '59 hat was just a really, really dark shade of blue. Same thing with the SOX script on the jersey.

PeteWard
03-25-2011, 01:38 PM
Ugliest uniforms ever! Even worse than the Astros'.

downstairs
03-25-2011, 02:43 PM
I would like to see the SOX only wear their black alternate jerseys on Sundays (both home and away) and then wear their regular matching pants/jerseys the rest of the week.

In terms of throwbacks, I think it would be cool if the SOX & Cubs could jointly market a specific era each season for their interleague series. I know Brooks and the SOX marketing staff have usually chosen uniforms that marked some kind of historical moment in SOX history, however I think it would be great to see the SOX and Cubs both wear their 1959 uniforms (both home and away) for the interleague series for example. Perhaps the fans could vote on what year, etc.

I know MLB has certain rules and the teams need to submit their requests in advance, etc., however some of the throwbacks have been pretty weak unless both teams participate.

I suppose the Sox and Cubs could work together on the promotion- but usually in the case where dual throwbacks are used, the home team has to pay for both sets... because its their promotion, and the away team doesn't benefit that much from it.

TheOldRoman
03-25-2011, 03:00 PM
I thought the '59 hat was just a really, really dark shade of blue. Same thing with the SOX script on the jersey.The colors were black and red, but at least from the Mitchell and Ness jerseys (which aren't always 100%), the patch and numbers do look very dark navy. Maybe that was the dye they used back then.

Foulke You
03-25-2011, 04:29 PM
In terms of throwbacks, I think it would be cool if the SOX & Cubs could jointly market a specific era each season for their interleague series.
Not many people probably remember this but the very first interleague game between the Sox and Cubs at New Comiskey Park in 1997 featured throwback uniforms. I had the misfortune of attending that stink bomb of a game as Jaime Navarro served up BP to his former team. Sox had the last laugh winning the series 2 to 1. As far as the throwback uniforms, the Cubs wore a 1911 navy road jersey while the Sox wore a replica 1917 home jersey. There aren't a ton of photos online from that game but here is a small picture I found:

Lamp81
03-25-2011, 04:57 PM
Not many people probably remember this but the very first interleague game between the Sox and Cubs at New Comiskey Park in 1997 featured throwback uniforms. I had the misfortune of attending that stink bomb of a game as Jaime Navarro served up BP to his former team. Sox had the last laugh winning the series 2 to 1. As far as the throwback uniforms, the Cubs wore a 1911 navy road jersey while the Sox wore a replica 1917 home jersey. There aren't a ton of photos online from that game but here is a small picture I found:

I was always under the assumption that they both wore their 1906 uniforms for that game, as this was the 1st time they had played a game, that meant something, since 1906.

ewokpelts
03-25-2011, 05:06 PM
I suppose the Sox and Cubs could work together on the promotion- but usually in the case where dual throwbacks are used, the home team has to pay for both sets... because its their promotion, and the away team doesn't benefit that much from it.That can be offset by having throwbacks used at each crosstown series.

Nellie_Fox
03-25-2011, 05:18 PM
I was always under the assumption that they both wore their 1906 uniforms for that game, as this was the 1st time they had played a game, that meant something, since 1906.No, those are definitely not 1906 unis.

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1906_chicago_01.gif 1906 Sox
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/nl_1906_chicago_01.gif1906 Cubs

Foulke You
03-25-2011, 05:19 PM
I was always under the assumption that they both wore their 1906 uniforms for that game, as this was the 1st time they had played a game, that meant something, since 1906.
I can only personally remember they were from different time periods (which I found odd at the time) but I can't remember the specific years. A Cubs website I found said their blue uniforms were the road jerseys used in 1911-1912. That was the only source I could find. A Daily Herald article I found said the Sox uniform was from 1917.

Foulke You
03-25-2011, 05:26 PM
Found another photo from that 1997 Sox/Cubs game. The Sox uniforms were definitely 1917. Here is Hernandez, Drabek, and Alvarez modeling them:

Nellie_Fox
03-25-2011, 05:28 PM
I can only personally remember they were from different time periods (which I found odd at the time) but I can't remember the specific years. A Cubs website I found said their blue uniforms were the road jerseys used in 1911-1912. That was the only source I could find. A Daily Herald article I found said the Sox uniform was from 1917.That's correct.
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1917_chicago_01.gif1917 Sox (they wore the World Series uniform)

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/nl_1911_chicago_01.gif1911 Cubs

EnglishChiSox
03-25-2011, 05:35 PM
I like the University of Dayton's take on the uniforms, Uniforms were just terrible in the late 70's/80's though, SD Brown, Cubs Blue sweaters etc. Only Baltimore and Oakland get a pass for their uni's in the era IMO.