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Fenway
01-19-2011, 05:22 PM
Put all the Comiskey photos I have picked up on my hard drive and put them on Facebook - enjoy. ( from various sources )

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2096378&id=1014362077&l=aec8f87b58


35th Street - 1987

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs750.ash1/164137_1745765116648_1014362077_31972941_7525492_n .jpg


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs757.ash1/164824_1745765276652_1014362077_31972942_6569599_n .jpg

eriqjaffe
01-19-2011, 05:33 PM
Thanks, there were a handful that I hadn't seen before.

DumpJerry
01-19-2011, 05:39 PM
Thanks for the memories.:smile::whiner:

WhiteSox5187
01-19-2011, 06:03 PM
Beautiful pics, that picture of 35th street, that's where the park is now, right? I have been looking for pics of the area around Grandstand from that era as I live around there now.

Fenway
01-19-2011, 06:04 PM
Thanks for the memories.:smile::whiner:

I just notice my upload burped - they all there now....

:gulp:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs013.snc6/166347_1745827438206_1014362077_31973172_1130323_n .jpg

Fenway
01-19-2011, 06:10 PM
Beautiful pics, that picture of 35th street, that's where the park is now, right? I have been looking for pics of the area around Grandstand from that era as I live around there now.

That is indeed where The Cell was built - you can see the senior citizen in the back.... people didn't walk south from the park much in those days -

Red Barchetta
01-19-2011, 06:18 PM
Thanks for the pics. It's hard to believe that Comiskey II/US Cellular Field is already one quarter the age of the original Comiskey Park.

Do you think The Cell will be around in another 60 years?

WhiteSox5187
01-19-2011, 07:12 PM
Thanks for the pics. It's hard to believe that Comiskey II/US Cellular Field is already one quarter the age of the original Comiskey Park.

Do you think The Cell will be around in another 60 years?

I don't know if the Cell will last that long, it seems like ballparks have a very short shelf life now and days, I could see the Sox trying to get a new park in twenty years.

SephClone89
01-19-2011, 09:19 PM
I don't know if the Cell will last that long, it seems like ballparks have a very short shelf life now and days, I could see the Sox trying to get a new park in twenty years.

Well, we don't really have a standard or any frame of reference for how long these new parks are meant to last. So who knows?

Fenway
01-19-2011, 09:27 PM
Well, we don't really have a standard or any frame of reference for how long these new parks are meant to last. So who knows?

Dodger Stadium hits 50 this year and is doing fine....

moochpuppy
01-19-2011, 09:36 PM
35th Street - 1987

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs750.ash1/164137_1745765116648_1014362077_31972941_7525492_n .jpg




Is that Mr. T's van?

LongLiveFisk
01-19-2011, 10:46 PM
Thanks for sharing. I always love looking at photos of the old park. Brings back a lot of memories and I don't ever want to forget them. :smile:

Andy T Clown
01-19-2011, 11:34 PM
Thanks, great stuff!

Bucky F. Dent
01-19-2011, 11:49 PM
Thanks, Fens!

Hitmen77
01-20-2011, 10:25 AM
Well, we don't really have a standard or any frame of reference for how long these new parks are meant to last. So who knows?

Agreed. You can't compare the lifespans of multipurpose monstrosities like Three Rivers Stadium to today's baseball only parks.

60 years is a long time - too long to predict if the Cell will still be around. But I think it'll be around for a long time. With the neighborhood around it improving and the renovations over the last decade being a success, I can't see any reason to abandon the place in the next 25 years. If anything, they'll undertake additional renovations at some point, but not a new ballpark.

Dodger Stadium hits 50 this year and is doing fine....

Every outdoor baseball-only MLB park built since Dodger Stadium is still in existence with no talk of replacement. Dodger Stadium, Angel Stadium (1966), and Kaufmann Stadium (1973) have gotten by just fine with renovations.

ewokpelts
01-20-2011, 10:33 AM
I don't know if the Cell will last that long, it seems like ballparks have a very short shelf life now and days, I could see the Sox trying to get a new park in twenty years.the sox signed a leaase extension in 2003 that guranteed them to be at the cell for at least 23 years(the length of the us cellular deal). that means they are there til 2026 at least, maybe longer if a new facility is on tap. the 2033 all star game will be the ASG's 100th anniversary, so i expect a new facility by then.

SephClone89
01-20-2011, 10:45 AM
the sox signed a leaase extension in 2003 that guranteed them to be at the cell for at least 23 years(the length of the us cellular deal). that means they are there til 2026 at least, maybe longer if a new facility is on tap. the 2033 all star game will be the ASG's 100th anniversary, so i expect a new facility by then.

You keep saying this, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

Nellie_Fox
01-20-2011, 12:17 PM
You keep saying this, but it doesn't make any sense to me.
Nor me. I don't see what one has to do with the other. If they replace USCF by 2033 at public expense, people should absolutely revolt.

SephClone89
01-20-2011, 12:21 PM
Nor me. I don't see what one has to do with the other. If they replace USCF by 2033 at public expense, people should absolutely revolt.

http://www.history.umd.edu/Fields/European/Liberty%20leading%20the%20people.jpg

RedHeadPaleHoser
01-20-2011, 12:26 PM
Great pics Fens. I like using old Comiskey photos as my work desktop WP during the season. I'll check your FB album from my home pc.

Nellie_Fox
01-20-2011, 12:41 PM
http://www.history.umd.edu/Fields/European/Liberty%20leading%20the%20people.jpg
Yeah. Just like that.

SephClone89
01-20-2011, 12:47 PM
Yeah. Just like that.

Your statement was in no uncertain terms. :tongue:

billcissell
01-20-2011, 03:08 PM
Hey Fenway,

Thanks for posting all those pics. Certainly a trip down memory lane. McCuddy's with O'Brien's just the other side of the alley. Great stuff.

broker3d
01-20-2011, 09:00 PM
Back in the 90's one of the newspapers showed a picture of the stadium that took 2nd place for the new Comiskey design. It was an awesome design but I have been unable to find it again. Does anybody know where to find a copy of that stadium plan?

ewokpelts
01-21-2011, 09:47 AM
You keep saying this, but it doesn't make any sense to me.
what's hard to understand? the facility is basically outdated NOW. what makes it less outdated in 20 years?

also, the sox lease will be up, so they are not legally bound to play there past 2026. infact, the original terms of the deal had the sox locked into a 20 year lease, with an option to add 5 years at the same terms. By that agreement, the sox could have left the cell as early as 2011, and as late as 2016.

Hitmen77
01-21-2011, 11:18 AM
what's hard to understand? the facility is basically outdated NOW. what makes it less outdated in 20 years?

also, the sox lease will be up, so they are not legally bound to play there past 2026. infact, the original terms of the deal had the sox locked into a 20 year lease, with an option to add 5 years at the same terms. By that agreement, the sox could have left the cell as early as 2011, and as late as 2016.

How is it outdated now? :dunno:

Any new stadium they would build would still have a high upper deck - that's true of all new ballparks. They're not going to get any better location than they have now. The current park is well equipped with sky boxes and premium seating sections.

If anything, when the US Cellular naming rights deal ends, the Sox will be looking for another round of renovations, not an entirely new park. Either 'wish list' things from today that they never got around to building or some new features that will be popular in ballparks a couple of decades from now.

Plus, the Cell has slowly built up its own set of memories over the past 20 years. I expect even more memorable seasons in the years to come. The biggest hit the Sox took on leaving old Comiskey was leaving a place with all that history and personal memories. In 20 years, a vast majority of Sox fans won't even remember old Comiskey and will have grown up seeing some exciting teams at the Cell. I can't see the Sox looking to totally junk a perfectly fine baseball-only ballpark that has its own 4 decades of memories just because.....what? ....they need one that's a replica of PNC or AT&T Park? The Cell in 20 years isn't automatically going to be like the Oakland Coliseum today. It's more like Angel Stadium - that place was built in 1966 and, thanks to renovations, is not outdated now.

Fenway
01-28-2011, 06:26 PM
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havelj
01-29-2011, 12:34 PM
Back in the 90's one of the newspapers showed a picture of the stadium that took 2nd place for the new Comiskey design. It was an awesome design but I have been unable to find it again. Does anybody know where to find a copy of that stadium plan?

This one?
http://whitesoxinteractive.com/FixComiskey/Bess/Conversation1.htm

SephClone89
01-29-2011, 01:40 PM
This one?
http://whitesoxinteractive.com/FixComiskey/Bess/Conversation1.htm

:(:

That sketch looks gorgeous.

Bobby Thigpen
01-29-2011, 02:19 PM
http://www.history.umd.edu/Fields/European/Liberty%20leading%20the%20people.jpg
Are there going to be topless women at the White Sox revolt as well?

DumpJerry
01-29-2011, 02:30 PM
what's hard to understand? the facility is basically outdated NOW. what makes it less outdated in 20 years?

How is it outdated now? :dunno:

Hitmen, did you miss the new rule this year? There are now five bases on the Diamond.

Seriously, Ewok, how can you say Comiskey is currently outdated when there are some serious ancient relics still in use (Fenway The Urinal for example). Are you from the school of thought that Jerry Jones and Yankmees did good things spending $1,000,000,000+ on their new arenas?

Comiskey is fine, there is nothing "outdated" about it.

JB98
01-29-2011, 03:23 PM
Comiskey is fine, there is nothing "outdated" about it.

I agree. The park is great, especially now that it has been renovated.

Back to the original topic of the thread .... thanks for sharing the pictures, Fenway. Brings back memories from my childhood. It's hard to believe it's already been two decades since the old park was torn down.

rcescato
01-29-2011, 03:29 PM
Thanks for the memories. That was an awesome picture of the girl in a rush shirt. Is that a relative.:)

gaelhound
01-29-2011, 03:36 PM
God I Miss McCuddy's. Thanks for the pics. I think there is also an Iconic photo of Capone talking to Gabby Hartnett(?) at Wrigley. I do not think I have ever seen one of Capone at Comiskey, prior to now. Are you certain that photo is from Comiskey? The wall looks right but I am not dead solid certain.

The story on the Gabby Hartnett photo is that the commissioner said something to him about talking to gangsters and Hartnett supposedly said some thing to the effect of "Well judge, why don't you go tell him to stay away from the ballpark"

SephClone89
01-29-2011, 03:45 PM
God I Miss McCuddy's. Thanks for the pics. I think there is also an Iconic photo of Capone talking to Gabby Hartnett(?) at Wrigley. I do not think I have ever seen one of Capone at Comiskey, prior to now. Are you certain that photo is from Comiskey? The wall looks right but I am not dead solid certain.

The story on the Gabby Hartnett photo is that the commissioner said something to him about talking to gangsters and Hartnett supposedly said some thing to the effect of "Well judge, why don't you go tell him to stay away from the ballpark"

The uniform in the Capone picture--is that a Sox uniform? Doesn't immediately ring any bells.

Upon checking out the Hall of Fame's uniform website, it looks like a Cubs road uniform circa 1926-30.

Fenway
01-29-2011, 04:10 PM
The uniform in the Capone picture--is that a Sox uniform? Doesn't immediately ring any bells.

Upon checking out the Hall of Fame's uniform website, it looks like a Cubs road uniform circa 1926-30.

It was at a city series game at Comiskey

TommyJohn
01-29-2011, 07:07 PM
The uniform in the Capone picture--is that a Sox uniform? Doesn't immediately ring any bells.

Upon checking out the Hall of Fame's uniform website, it looks like a Cubs road uniform circa 1926-30.

It was at a city series game at Comiskey

I can see the captions for that one:

Cubs welcome prominent Chicagoan


"Cub star receiver Gabby Hartnett takes time to pose for picture with Alphonse T. Capone, noted local businessman/philanthropist."

or:

Sox involved with bootlegging criminals?

"Sox third sacker Willie Kamm relays possible secret message from Charles Comiskey to Al Capone, murderous leader of Chicago Mob."

SephClone89
01-29-2011, 07:13 PM
I can see the captions for that one:

Cubs welcome prominent Chicagoan


"Cub star receiver Gabby Hartnett takes time to pose for picture with Alphonse T. Capone, noted local businessman/philanthropist."

or:

Sox involved with bootlegging criminals?

"Sox third sacker Willie Kamm relays possible secret message from Charles Comiskey to Al Capone, murderous leader of Chicago Mob."



:rolling:

tick53
01-30-2011, 09:12 AM
Nice job Fen!!

Brian26
01-30-2011, 11:08 AM
Back in the 90's one of the newspapers showed a picture of the stadium that took 2nd place for the new Comiskey design. It was an awesome design but I have been unable to find it again. Does anybody know where to find a copy of that stadium plan?

I understand the Comiskey II design was essentially the same design that was prepared for the Addison site in '86 or so, with some tweaking. I'm not sure there was ever a "2nd place" design.

DumpJerry
01-30-2011, 11:11 AM
I understand the Comiskey II design was essentially the same design that was prepared for the Addison site in '86 or so, with some tweaking. I'm not sure there was ever a "2nd place" design.
After Uncle Jerry greenlighted the plan for Comiskey II, the architects offered him another stadium which he rejected. That other stadium became Camden Yards.

SephClone89
01-30-2011, 11:39 AM
After Uncle Jerry greenlighted the plan for Comiskey II, the architects offered him another stadium which he rejected. That other stadium became Camden Yards.

Would they have built the warehouse in right field?

Sigh.

At least we have our nice park now. Just a shame it took ~15 years.

Fenway
01-30-2011, 11:49 AM
It is interesting that the former HOK no longer mentions 2 of their earlier projects - The Cell and Tropicana Field :tongue:

http://portfolio.populous.com/projects/index.html

The Cell's concourse is very similar to Rogers Centre in Toronto which was designed about the same time.

dickallen15
01-30-2011, 12:18 PM
After Uncle Jerry greenlighted the plan for Comiskey II, the architects offered him another stadium which he rejected. That other stadium became Camden Yards.

One ironic twist is supposedly when the Sox remodeled the club level and enclosed the concourse they basically copied Camden Yards club level. Supposedly the 2 are identical.

cub killer
01-30-2011, 04:26 PM
Imagine if the Sox played in Armour Field since 1991...