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Sockinchisox
01-14-2011, 11:09 AM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/twins-to-sign-jim-thome.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

DirtySox
01-14-2011, 11:15 AM
Darn.

I don't think he's going to replicate last year's numbers, but he's still a useful bat and a good pickup for the Twins.

doublem23
01-14-2011, 11:18 AM
Can't say I'm surprised. He probably saw the blurb about Ron Washington thinking of using him and Michael Young in the field if he signed with Texas and just thought, "oh hell no."

Moses_Scurry
01-14-2011, 11:22 AM
That sucks. Hopefully it is an 8 year/ 120 million contract with player options the last 2 years.

Nellie_Fox
01-14-2011, 11:25 AM
That sucks. Hopefully it is an 8 year/ 120 million contract with player options the last 2 years.One year, with no terms in the article. http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_17097071?nclick_check=1

DirtySox
01-14-2011, 11:26 AM
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/190827556/jon_heyman_normal.jpg
SI_JonHeyman (http://twitter.com/#%21/SI_JonHeyman) Jon Heyman
rough dh market. RT @kellythesier (http://twitter.com/kellythesier) Thome's deal is one-year, $3 mil and includes perf bonuses based on PAs. #Twins (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Twins)
4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/SI_JonHeyman/status/25965626073817088)

TheOldRoman
01-14-2011, 11:26 AM
Eh. He had a big impact last year, but if Morneau is healthy this year (and who knows at this point) he isn't going to play much. If he does play, you can guarantee his numbers won't be close to last year. His 2010 was much like Brett Favre's 2009, a clear outlier which won't happen again. Besides, I already got used to hating him for playing on the Twins, so no worries.

doublem23
01-14-2011, 11:31 AM
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/190827556/jon_heyman_normal.jpg
SI_JonHeyman (http://twitter.com/#%21/SI_JonHeyman) Jon Heyman
rough dh market. RT @kellythesier (http://twitter.com/kellythesier) Thome's deal is one-year, $3 mil and includes perf bonuses based on PAs. #Twins (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Twins)
4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/SI_JonHeyman/status/25965626073817088)

Is that really that bad of a deal for Thome? The guy is years into the downside of his career, absolutely cannot play the field, runs like he's dragging a piano, and is a constant injury-risk because of his back, and its still twice as much as he made last year.

Moses_Scurry
01-14-2011, 11:45 AM
Seems like a pretty good deal to me. I wonder how high it can get with the performance bonuses.

Over By There
01-14-2011, 12:11 PM
This thread is such a disappointment. Where is the panic, the anger, the despair?

Marqhead
01-14-2011, 12:16 PM
This thread is such a disappointment. Where is the panic, the anger, the despair?

http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Adam%20Dunn.jpg

Hitmen77
01-14-2011, 12:23 PM
http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Adam%20Dunn.jpg

Exactly. It's a huge difference having Dunn instead of picking Kotsay/Jones over Thome and then have to watch Jim have a good year with the Twins.

It sounds like a good deal for Thome. We'll see if Big Jim can reach HR #600 this year. I hope he does great on a 3rd place Minnesota team as they fight it out with Detroit for 2nd. :D:

JoeyCora28
01-14-2011, 12:23 PM
http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Adam%20Dunn.jpg

Well played!! :thumbsup:

DirtySox
01-14-2011, 12:27 PM
http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Adam%20Dunn.jpg

This.

The circumstances are much different this time around. The Thome hand wringing seems to be over, but Kotsay jokes will live on forever.

dwitt76
01-14-2011, 12:27 PM
Boooo this signing.

soltrain21
01-14-2011, 12:31 PM
http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Adam%20Dunn.jpg

Yeah. We found a hotter girlfriend.

beasly213
01-14-2011, 12:34 PM
Yeah. We found a hotter girlfriend.

And a younger one.

QueerGirrl
01-14-2011, 01:03 PM
http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Adam%20Dunn.jpg

Looking at this just makes me feel so much better.

Red Barchetta
01-14-2011, 01:37 PM
I was hoping he would go back to Cleveland for a curtain call on his career, however good for the Twins.

That game-winning HR he hit against us in Minneapolis during the stretch last season was a killer. I'm sure the entire neighborhood heard the F*Bomb I yelled out after that. I remember turning the TV off before the ball even landed! :angry:

downstairs
01-14-2011, 02:40 PM
Curious why everyone thinks this is so bad. He's not going to play as much, and even if he does he is absolutely going to decline from last year. He's old.

Zisk77
01-14-2011, 02:48 PM
Curious why everyone thinks this is so bad. He's not going to play as much, and even if he does he is absolutely going to decline from last year. He's old.

Actually I hope he plays all the time, because that prolly means that French/canadian hockey wannabe isn't.

ChiSoxGirl
01-14-2011, 02:50 PM
I was hoping he would go back to Cleveland for a curtain call on his career, however good for the Twins.

That game-winning HR he hit against us in Minneapolis during the stretch last season was a killer. I'm sure the entire neighborhood heard the F*Bomb I yelled out after that. I remember turning the TV off before the ball even landed! :angry:

It was THE killer. Though I refused to accept it 'til they mathematically eliminated us a month later, the season pretty much died in Minneapolis that night.

Foulke You
01-14-2011, 02:51 PM
Curious why everyone thinks this is so bad. He's not going to play as much, and even if he does he is absolutely going to decline from last year. He's old.
I think he'll get a decent amount of ABs next year because I envision Morneau taking his annual June trip to the DL. Having Thome gives them some bench depth to absorb that type of hit for a while as it did last season. It's a solid move for the Twins but I'm not losing sleep over it. As you said, he is 40 years old and sooner or later, Thome's bat speed is going to start to diminish.

DumpJerry
01-14-2011, 03:16 PM
Curious why everyone thinks this is so bad. He's not going to play as much, and even if he does he is absolutely going to decline from last year. He's old.
My thoughts, too. He is physically unable to play at a competitive level for a full season. Even with what was essentially as half season last year, his back flared up in September causing him to slow down (I think he might have missed a game or two).

Thome is a great guy and I wish him all the best, but, unlike last year, this is not a signing that will bite us in ass. I'm not just talking about what he did to us directly, but what our left handed power did us last year......

Foulke You
01-14-2011, 03:25 PM
My thoughts, too. He is physically unable to play at a competitive level for a full season. Even with what was essentially as half season last year, his back flared up in September causing him to slow down (I think he might have missed a game or two).

Thome is a great guy and I wish him all the best, but, unlike last year, this is not a signing that will bite us in ass. I'm not just talking about what he did to us directly, but what our left handed power did us last year......
I just hope our pitching staff does a better job locating against Thome than they did last year. In 2010, Jim Thome hit .372 off Sox pitchers with an OPS of 1.040. It was quite mind boggling how often our pitchers would throw to Thome's strengths like knee high pitches where he could get his arms extended. We of all teams should have known Thome's weaknesses and it seemed like our guys were clueless on what they were. If Morneau goes on the shelf again, our pitching staff will have a chance at redemption.

russ99
01-14-2011, 03:28 PM
I like it, keeps Vlad Guerrero out of a Twins uniform.

IMO, it's doubtful the Twins get the same production out of Thome this year.

TheOldRoman
01-14-2011, 03:47 PM
I just hope our pitching staff does a better job locating against Thome than they did last year. In 2010, Jim Thome hit .372 off Sox pitchers with an OPS of 1.040. It was quite mind boggling how often our pitchers would throw to Thome's strengths like knee high pitches where he could get his arms extended. We of all teams should have known Thome's weaknesses and it seemed like our guys were clueless on what they were. If Morneau goes on the shelf again, our pitching staff will have a chance at redemption.Our points of view are obviously skewed because we watch the Sox all the time, but it seems like every year they make countless obviously horrible decisions on pitch type/location. Whereas our hitters are generally dead to rights once it gets to 0-2, our pitchers seem to serve up and inordinant amount of 0-2 meatballs. It could be a situation where even fans know "you don't throw him that pitch there" and Steve Stone says "A slider in the dirt gets him out, but you can throw anything except for a high fastball. If you throw him a high fastball he is going to hit it out," followed by a high fastball on the very next pitch hit for a homer. I realize the Sox' pitching staff has in general been very good over the past 7 years, and I'm sure if you asked a fan of every team they would say the same about their team.

Foulke You
01-14-2011, 04:54 PM
Our points of view are obviously skewed because we watch the Sox all the time, but it seems like every year they make countless obviously horrible decisions on pitch type/location. Whereas our hitters are generally dead to rights once it gets to 0-2, our pitchers seem to serve up and inordinant amount of 0-2 meatballs. It could be a situation where even fans know "you don't throw him that pitch there" and Steve Stone says "A slider in the dirt gets him out, but you can throw anything except for a high fastball. If you throw him a high fastball he is going to hit it out," followed by a high fastball on the very next pitch hit for a homer. I realize the Sox' pitching staff has in general been very good over the past 7 years, and I'm sure if you asked a fan of every team they would say the same about their team.
I'm sure that overall, you are correct that are view of the pitching staff's mistakes are slightly skewed. However, in the case of Thome, I think the numbers show that we made way too many mistakes against a hitter we should know extremely well. After seeing Jim strikeout so many times on high heat around the letters or slow curve balls in the dirt in a Sox uniform, I was left perplexed at how little our pitchers would throw to those spots during Jim's ABs last year.

Domeshot17
01-15-2011, 11:19 AM
I think Jim will be alright. Maybe he regresses to what Andruw Jones did for us last year, but I don't see the batting average that low. Probably something like .255 17 55 isn't out the realm. I hope he passes 600 this year. Just wish another team signed him because if the Sox miss the playoffs, I didn't want Thome getting to the series tied to the twins again.

thomas35forever
01-15-2011, 08:46 PM
If we didn't get Dunn, this thread would have been eight pages by now.

gobears1987
01-16-2011, 05:29 AM
http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Adam%20Dunn.jpg

Good answer