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soltrain21
01-08-2011, 12:20 PM
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Domeshot17
01-08-2011, 12:25 PM
ehhh, don't like the price or years, but he is an arm. Atleast this is the first lightning in a bottle signing of the offseason, and those are best done in the bullpen.

Rohan
01-08-2011, 12:26 PM
Let's hope he's better with us than he was with the cubbies. Loogy okay in my book.

DirtySox
01-08-2011, 01:01 PM
Hopefully he's actually used as a LOOGY. Ozzie tends to push his luck with such relievers.

Thome25
01-08-2011, 01:17 PM
Everytime KW cries that they're "tapped out", they go and sign someone else. :redneck

JermaineDye05
01-08-2011, 01:23 PM
2 years? That surprises me, so does the 4 million, but it's another arm we desperately needed.

thomas35forever
01-08-2011, 01:42 PM
Bullpen help is bullpen help.

JermaineDye05
01-08-2011, 01:46 PM
Has this been Kenny's most complete offseason? Save for the last bullpen spot and the very replaceable Kotsay and Jones, he has filled every single hole from the end of last season.

C-Dawg
01-08-2011, 02:05 PM
I wonder if The Loop FM97.9 will re-instate the Sunday morning show Ohman used to do when he was on the Cubs?

Grobber33
01-08-2011, 02:12 PM
2 years? That surprises me, so does the 4 million, but it's another arm we desperately needed.


Not THAT desperate! This guy is an older(and worse version)of Linebrink,but not as good of a clubhouse guy. The Cubs couldn't wait to get rid of this guy. When he's come in to the introduction of "Will OH-man", Cub fans would yell "NO-man!". Sox Fans will soon do the same. Two year contract? Oh well, Kenny's other moves have been awsome,so he deserves a mulligan on this one.

JermaineDye05
01-08-2011, 02:26 PM
Not THAT desperate! This guy is an older(and worse version)of Linebrink,but not as good of a clubhouse guy. The Cubs couldn't wait to get rid of this guy. When he's come in to the introduction of "Will OH-man", Cub fans would yell "NO-man!". Sox Fans will soon do the same. Two year contract? Oh well, Kenny's other moves have been awsome,so he deserves a mulligan on this one.

I'm not a big fan of Ohman either, but he's a LOOGY with experience. Much better than going the route of a Randy Williams/Boone Logan again.

CWSpalehoseCWS
01-08-2011, 02:37 PM
I would have preferred him for only 1 year, but beggars can't be choosers. At least the pen is getting attention.

doublem23
01-08-2011, 02:42 PM
Not THAT desperate! This guy is an older(and worse version)of Linebrink,but not as good of a clubhouse guy. The Cubs couldn't wait to get rid of this guy. When he's come in to the introduction of "Will OH-man", Cub fans would yell "NO-man!". Sox Fans will soon do the same. Two year contract? Oh well, Kenny's other moves have been awsome,so he deserves a mulligan on this one.

Whatev...

A) Assuming Sale is going to be stretched out to be a starter this season, the Sox's 2nd best lefty out of the bullpen was shaping up to be Lucas Harrell. Think about that for a second.

B) I trust Coop and the Sox coaching staff a lot more than the posse of clowns the Cubs have employed to run their pitching staff the last few years.

ode to veeck
01-08-2011, 02:48 PM
Bullpen help is bullpen help.

exactly

JermaineDye05
01-08-2011, 02:52 PM
Whatev...

A) Assuming Sale is going to be stretched out to be a starter this season, the Sox's 2nd best lefty out of the bullpen was shaping up to be Lucas Harrell. Think about that for a second.

B) I trust Coop and the Sox coaching staff a lot more than the posse of clowns the Cubs have employed to run their pitching staff the last few years.

People don't understand how bad of an idea that would have been considering Harrell is a righty. :smile:

gr8mexico
01-08-2011, 02:53 PM
Not THAT desperate! This guy is an older(and worse version)of Linebrink,but not as good of a clubhouse guy. The Cubs couldn't wait to get rid of this guy. When he's come in to the introduction of "Will OH-man", Cub fans would yell "NO-man!". Sox Fans will soon do the same. Two year contract? Oh well, Kenny's other moves have been awsome,so he deserves a mulligan on this one.
Ohman is a more experienced pitcher now then when he was with the Cubs and now hopefully he's only going to be asked to only face lefties. Also Will is a year younger the Linebrink and with less health issues

soxlady8
01-08-2011, 02:58 PM
good to see more bullpen help -
like others posted here I think Coop and the pen staff will be able to help him out :)

Lip Man 1
01-08-2011, 03:04 PM
Now if they intend to make Sale a starter they need one more right hander to finish the job.

Lip

DirtySox
01-08-2011, 03:11 PM
Now if they intend to make Sale a starter they need one more right hander to finish the job.

Lip

I'd imagine Infante and Carter will get a look. Infante certainly has the stuff, with the control being the issue.

JermaineDye05
01-08-2011, 03:16 PM
I'd imagine Infante and Carter will get a look. Infante certainly has the stuff, with the control being the issue.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/baseball/mlb/players/6666.jpg

"Coop'll fix him. LOLZ."

Lip Man 1
01-08-2011, 03:17 PM
I'm already penciling in Infante. In my opinion they need another one:

Thornton
Ohman
Infante
Pena
Crain
Santos
?????

If they keep Sale in the pen because Peavy is on target, then I don't expect them to go after anyone else.

Foulke You
01-08-2011, 05:23 PM
I'm already penciling in Infante. In my opinion they need another one:

Thornton
Ohman
Infante
Pena
Crain
Santos
?????

If they keep Sale in the pen because Peavy is on target, then I don't expect them to go after anyone else.
I wouldn't mind having another right hander as well Lip but I think you can break camp with this group and be ok. You have two solid hard throwing right handers for the 7th and 8th inning in Crain and Santos. Ohman can be the lefty specialist for the 6th or 7th with Thornton being the 8th inning and possibly the closer. You can always add an arm later in the season if it seems like this group isn't working but Ozzie has a lot more options than other managers.

Brian26
01-08-2011, 05:28 PM
Not THAT desperate! This guy is an older(and worse version)of Linebrink,but not as good of a clubhouse guy. The Cubs couldn't wait to get rid of this guy. When he's come in to the introduction of "Will OH-man", Cub fans would yell "NO-man!". Sox Fans will soon do the same. Two year contract? Oh well, Kenny's other moves have been awsome,so he deserves a mulligan on this one.

Grobber, save the hyperbole. Linebrink was a glorified batting practice pitcher for the past two years. Ohman, if used correctly, could be effective as a LOOGY specialist. Now, I'm not sure our manager is going to be able to use him correctly, but that's another story.

Brian26
01-08-2011, 05:30 PM
Hopefully he's actually used as a LOOGY. Ozzie tends to push his luck with such relievers.

This is my thought as well, and I still wake up at night in a cold sweat thinking of Boone Logan facing D-Lee at Wrigley.

Brian26
01-08-2011, 05:31 PM
Everytime KW cries that they're "tapped out", they go and sign someone else. :redneck

I'd trade Crain and Ohman right now for Soriano, but I'm not in charge. Hopefully it works out.

Grobber33
01-08-2011, 05:41 PM
Grobber, save the hyperbole. Linebrink was a glorified batting practice pitcher for the past two years. Ohman, if used correctly, could be effective as a LOOGY specialist. Now, I'm not sure our manager is going to be able to use him correctly, but that's another story.


Coop or not(and remember,he couldn't help Linebrink), the only LOOGY this guy is, is the kind you blow out of your nose. He'll drive Ozzie crazy. Oh,and one other key item, he doesn't get LEFTYS out in key spots either. Only in games when he comes in to mop up when his team is ahead or behind by ten runs!:scratch:

JB98
01-08-2011, 05:42 PM
Grobber, save the hyperbole. Linebrink was a glorified batting practice pitcher for the past two years. Ohman, if used correctly, could be effective as a LOOGY specialist. Now, I'm not sure our manager is going to be able to use him correctly, but that's another story.

Agreed. This is a pitcher that can be effective if used properly. Left-handed hitters bat just .208 against him lifetime. Expose him to too many right-handed hitters and he'll crumble.

If he gets Mauer and Morneau out in the seventh inning of a close game, he's worth the money.

I still like the idea of Sale for closer this year. I prefer Thornton and Crain in the set-up roles.

tstrike2000
01-08-2011, 06:00 PM
Agreed. This is a pitcher that can be effective if used properly. Left-handed hitters bat just .208 against him lifetime. Expose him to too many right-handed hitters and he'll crumble.

If he gets Mauer and Morneau out in the seventh inning of a close game, he's worth the money.

I still like the idea of Sale for closer this year. I prefer Thornton and Crain in the set-up roles.

Probably our best option for the late innings. I've just never liked the idea of taking our best lefty reliever and moving him to closer.

JB98
01-08-2011, 06:16 PM
Probably our best option for the late innings. I've just never liked the idea of taking our best lefty reliever and moving him to closer.

I think we're on the same page.

Ask yourself this: Who do the Sox bring in with two on and one out in the eighth inning? Thornton, Sale or Ohman?

My answer would be Thornton. He's the veteran who has been through it 1,000 times before. I prefer the younger pitchers (Sale, Santos) come in to start an inning clean.

DrCrawdad
01-08-2011, 07:55 PM
I took a brief look at Ohman's stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ohmanwi01.shtml). Maybe the stats gurus can help me here but from what I see, I'm unimpressed. He's been granted free agency the last three years, any reason the Sox had to give him 2 yrs and that salary?

ERA/WHIP
2010: 3.21/1.50
2009: 5.84/1.62
2008: 3.68/1.24

JermaineDye05
01-08-2011, 07:59 PM
I took a brief look at Ohman's stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ohmanwi01.shtml). Maybe the stats gurus can help me here but from what I see, I'm unimpressed. He's been granted free agency the last three years, any reason the Sox had to give him 2 yrs and that salary?

ERA/WHIP
2010: 3.21/1.50
2009: 5.84/1.62
2008: 3.68/1.24

They just need relief help that badly.

Grobber33
01-08-2011, 08:19 PM
They just need relief help that badly.


I repeat, not THAT badly!

JermaineDye05
01-08-2011, 08:21 PM
I repeat, not THAT badly!

Did you see what we had left in our bullpen?

The only other guys left on the roster with major league experience were Lucas Harrell, Freddy Dolsi, Jhonny Nunez, and Jeff Marquez.

LoveYourSuit
01-08-2011, 08:22 PM
I repeat, not THAT badly!

So who would you have suggested the Sox go with for their 2nd lefty Les?

DirtySox
01-08-2011, 08:36 PM
I took a brief look at Ohman's stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ohmanwi01.shtml). Maybe the stats gurus can help me here but from what I see, I'm unimpressed. He's been granted free agency the last three years, any reason the Sox had to give him 2 yrs and that salary?

ERA/WHIP
2010: 3.21/1.50
2009: 5.84/1.62
2008: 3.68/1.24

He isn't that impressive. He shuts down lefties adequately enough though, which if utilized properly is quite needed in this division. 2008 was a decent year for him and he had nice results in 2010, but his FIP and WHIP indicate we should expect some regression this season. 2 years is probably an overpay, but the deal isn't financially handcuffing. Kind of a "meh" signing if I ever saw one.

JB98
01-08-2011, 08:38 PM
I repeat, not THAT badly!

Honestly, you're making it sound like Will Ohman is going to be some key component of the team.

It's just a minor signing. He's the second or third lefty in the bullpen, a spot that has been held down by such greats as Randy Williams and Boone Logan in the past.

It's not going to make or break the Sox one way or the other.

russ99
01-08-2011, 08:41 PM
I took a brief look at Ohman's stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ohmanwi01.shtml). Maybe the stats gurus can help me here but from what I see, I'm unimpressed. He's been granted free agency the last three years, any reason the Sox had to give him 2 yrs and that salary?

ERA/WHIP
2010: 3.21/1.50
2009: 5.84/1.62
2008: 3.68/1.24

AVG Vs L - K/9 Vs L
2010: .222 - 9.51
2009: .299 - 6.75
2008: .201 - 8.49

DirtySox
01-08-2011, 08:41 PM
It's also worth mentioning that Farmer has mentioned a few times on the radio that the Sox are expected to sign Tim Byrdak to a minor league deal with a spring training invite. LOOGYs everywhere.

Domeshot17
01-08-2011, 08:44 PM
Well lefties in the pen are set, it doesn't matter at all who they now invite to spring training. We already have 2 lefties in the rotation and 3 in the pen (unless the Sox put Sale in AAA to start).

DirtySox
01-08-2011, 08:45 PM
AVG Vs L - K/9 Vs L
2010: .222 - 9.51
2009: .299 - 6.75
2008: .201 - 8.49

In addition his career line against lefties:

.208/.298/.348

DirtySox
01-08-2011, 08:46 PM
Well lefties in the pen are set, it doesn't matter at all who they now invite to spring training. We already have 2 lefties in the rotation and 3 in the pen (unless the Sox put Sale in AAA to start).

This signing puts some doubt in my mind that Sale starts the year in the bullpen. I think he might be in the rotation until Peavy gets back.

DickAllen72
01-08-2011, 08:53 PM
Does anyone seriously think Ozzie is going to use him predominantly against only lefties?

I agree if used as a Loogy he's not a bad pickup but I fear that Ozzie will misuse him.

Tragg
01-09-2011, 12:51 AM
That's a lot of money for a situational lefty.

Dub25
01-09-2011, 01:15 AM
2 years? That surprises me, so does the 4 million, but it's another arm we desperately needed.

With baseball saleries continuing to escalate even though everyone else in the country has no money, 4 mil is a bargain. Look at the Cubs who have been crying poor but traded for Matt Garza who should double his salary in arbitration.

DrCrawdad
01-09-2011, 08:06 AM
That's a lot of money for a situational lefty.

And two years for a guy who's only been given one year deals the last 3 years. Apparently Tim Byrdak is still available and according to what someone posted here Farmerio said the Sox were going to sign him. That seems less likely to happen to me now. But isn't Byrdak better? (http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=32803) Would Byrdak have required more years and more money?

DonnieDarko
01-09-2011, 08:11 AM
Why do I feel like we're getting someone that we're just going to want to throw away after one season? -_-

cws05champ
01-09-2011, 08:26 AM
Grobber, save the hyperbole. Linebrink was a glorified batting practice pitcher for the past two years. Ohman, if used correctly, could be effective as a LOOGY specialist. Now, I'm not sure our manager is going to be able to use him correctly, but that's another story.
It's funny you say this because Linebrink was much more effective vs RHP than LHB but Ozzie kept on trotting him out there against lefties. He had more PA against by lefties than righties even though his splits were:

vs LHB (129PA): .288/.333/.901
vs RHB (120 PA): .234/.311/.647

DrCrawdad
01-09-2011, 08:31 AM
Why do I feel like we're getting someone that we're just going to want to throw away after one season? -_-

Because over Ohman's past 3 seasons that's exactly what's happened with the other teams he's been with.

Oh, man do I hope the Sox made the right call on this. I don't want another bad reliever being trotted out the next two seasons just because the Sox have him on contract (ala Linkbrink) then perhaps trading him away for nothing and paying for the privilege.

delben91
01-09-2011, 08:59 AM
Because over Ohman's past 3 seasons that's exactly what's happened with the other teams he's been with.

Oh, man do I hope the Sox made the right call on this. I don't want another bad reliever being trotted out the next two seasons just because the Sox have him on contract (ala Linkbrink) then perhaps trading him away for nothing and paying for the privilege.

The investment in Ohman is much less per year than the investment in Linebrink was.

dickallen15
01-09-2011, 09:12 AM
The investment in Ohman is much less per year than the investment in Linebrink was.
Yes, but the Sox paid Atlanta money to take Linebrink and now have to pay Ohman for 2 years about what they would have paid Linebrink for one.

russ99
01-09-2011, 10:58 AM
It's funny you say this because Linebrink was much more effective vs RHP than LHB but Ozzie kept on trotting him out there against lefties. He had more PA against by lefties than righties even though his splits were:

vs LHB (129PA): .288/.333/.901
vs RHB (120 PA): .234/.311/.647

Linebrink was never considered a LH or RH specialist on any of his teams, including the Sox.

Ozzie kept putting him our there because that was his role as a middle reliever.

This bullpen mismanagement stuff pinned on Ozzie is idiotic. Everyone can say how a pitcher should be used after he pitches.

Ozzie's always been good about setting up roles for guys. The only time this becomes an issue is when a key player (like Jenks) is injured and guys have to step outside their expected role/comfort zone.

Besides, Ozzie's big fault in the pen is going with L/R matchups too much.

soltrain21
01-09-2011, 11:04 AM
Because over Ohman's past 3 seasons that's exactly what's happened with the other teams he's been with.

Oh, man do I hope the Sox made the right call on this. I don't want another bad reliever being trotted out the next two seasons just because the Sox have him on contract (ala Linkbrink) then perhaps trading him away for nothing and paying for the privilege.

It's two million dollars a year for two years. Hardly a crippling move.

DrCrawdad
01-09-2011, 12:41 PM
It's two million dollars a year for two years. Hardly a crippling move.

I didn't mean that it was a crippling move but if Ohman's bad or not all that good we'll still see him for most if not all of the next two years.

delben91
01-09-2011, 01:01 PM
I didn't mean that it was a crippling move but if Ohman's bad or not all that good we'll still see him for most if not all of the next two years.

Well, with Linebrink they dumped him into a long-relief and garbage time role, which honestly while he wasn't helping the club with his salary and roster spot he didn't really do much harm. Other aspects of the club were more glaring weaknesses.

If a LOOGY is this team's undoing I'll be shocked. The bullpen as a whole, or if Peavy comes back as a shell of his further self, perhaps. But the way some on this thread are talking, Ohman is single-handedly going to bring down the other 24 guys on the roster, which is a bit ridiculous in my opinion.

dickallen15
01-09-2011, 02:01 PM
Linebrink was never considered a LH or RH specialist on any of his teams, including the Sox.

Ozzie kept putting him our there because that was his role as a middle reliever.

This bullpen mismanagement stuff pinned on Ozzie is idiotic. Everyone can say how a pitcher should be used after he pitches.

Ozzie's always been good about setting up roles for guys. The only time this becomes an issue is when a key player (like Jenks) is injured and guys have to step outside their expected role/comfort zone.

Besides, Ozzie's big fault in the pen is going with L/R matchups too much.

He wasn't considered that, but his results would indicate that's what he should have been. Isn't it Ozzie's job to figure that out?

Ranger
01-09-2011, 10:15 PM
Everytime KW cries that they're "tapped out", they go and sign someone else. :redneck

Not THAT desperate! This guy is an older(and worse version)of Linebrink,but not as good of a clubhouse guy. The Cubs couldn't wait to get rid of this guy. When he's come in to the introduction of "Will OH-man", Cub fans would yell "NO-man!". Sox Fans will soon do the same. Two year contract? Oh well, Kenny's other moves have been awsome,so he deserves a mulligan on this one.

Eh. That was 4 years ago and the Sox need the help. He wasn't the best out there, but they needed something that was more of a sure thing than a minor leaguer. I'm not too worried about the clubhouse stuff.

Grobber, save the hyperbole. Linebrink was a glorified batting practice pitcher for the past two years. Ohman, if used correctly, could be effective as a LOOGY specialist. Now, I'm not sure our manager is going to be able to use him correctly, but that's another story.
It's funny you say this because Linebrink was much more effective vs RHP than LHB but Ozzie kept on trotting him out there against lefties. He had more PA against by lefties than righties even though his splits were:

vs LHB (129PA): .288/.333/.901
vs RHB (120 PA): .234/.311/.647

If you're suggesting Ozzie doesn't know how to manage a bullpen, you're also suggesting that Don Cooper doesn't either. Cooper knows his relievers better than anyone else does and he's in on every pitching change. They don't get anyone warmed up or make any changes without Coop.

Now, my guess is they'll try to use Ohman mostly in lefty situations but they may not have that luxury. I wont' be surprised if they'll need to use him against some righthanders too.

Foulke You
01-10-2011, 10:58 AM
I'm not too worried about the clubhouse stuff.
Can someone refresh my memory? I don't recall any clubhouse incidents with Ohman when he was on the Cubs. I'm not saying you or Grobber are wrong, I just don't remember it.

soxfanreggie
01-10-2011, 11:39 AM
I wonder what Ohman's other offers were. I don't think we'll ever know, but I wonder if any other team was offering him two or more years...hmmmm?

RCWHITESOX
01-10-2011, 04:52 PM
Whatev...

A) Assuming Sale is going to be stretched out to be a starter this season, the Sox's 2nd best lefty out of the bullpen was shaping up to be Lucas Harrell. Think about that for a second.

B) I trust Coop and the Sox coaching staff a lot more than the posse of clowns the Cubs have employed to run their pitching staff the last few years.

Now that's hitting a home run. Both of your statements make perfect sense; and I like you hope your right on both accounts.

A. Cavatica
01-10-2011, 08:03 PM
Now that's hitting a home run. Both of your statements make perfect sense; and I like you hope your right on both accounts.

Except for the part about Harrell pitching with his left hand.

He's a righty.

WhiffleBall
01-11-2011, 08:01 AM
Today's Trib mentioned that part of his salary is deferred, $1.5m in 2011 and $2.5m in 2012.