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SephClone89
01-05-2011, 02:03 PM
Not too surprising.

DirtySox
01-05-2011, 02:06 PM
Well deserved.

Fenway
01-05-2011, 02:07 PM
applause

bigsoxfan420
01-05-2011, 02:10 PM
Both well deserved.

illinibk
01-05-2011, 02:15 PM
Alomar was a joy to watch, glad he made it in. But with Blyleven now in, and Santo dead, who is at the top of the list for whining that they aren't in (that is, until Sosa is eligible in a few years)?

sox1970
01-05-2011, 02:17 PM
Baines is off the ballot with 4.8%

Roberto Alomar 523 (90.0%), Bert Blyleven 463 (79.7%), Barry Larkin 361 (62.1%), Jack Morris 311 (53.5%), Lee Smith 263 (45.3%), Jeff Bagwell 242 (41.7%), Tim Raines 218 (37.5%), Edgar Martinez 191 (32.9%), Alan Trammell 141 (24.3%), Larry Walker 118 (20.3%), Mark McGwire 115 (19.8%), Fred McGriff 104 (17.9%), Dave Parker 89 (15.3%), Don Mattingly 79 (13.6%), Dale Murphy 73 (12.6%), Rafael Palmeiro 64 (11.0%), Juan Gonzalez 30 (5.2%), Harold Baines 28 (4.8%), John Franco 27 (4.6%), Kevin Brown 12 (2.1%), Tino Martinez 6 (1.0%), Marquis Grissom 4 (0.7%), Al Leiter 4 (0.7%), John Olerud 4 (0.7%), B.J. Surhoff 2 (0.3%), Bret Boone 1 (0.2%), Benito Santiago 1 (0.2%), Carlos Baerga 0, Lenny Harris 0, Bobby Higginson 0, Charles Johnson 0, Raul Mondesi 0, Kirk Rueter 0.

Sargeant79
01-05-2011, 02:20 PM
Baines is off the ballot with 4.8%

Roberto Alomar 523 (90.0%), Bert Blyleven 463 (79.7%), Barry Larkin 361 (62.1%), Jack Morris 311 (53.5%), Lee Smith 263 (45.3%), Jeff Bagwell 242 (41.7%), Tim Raines 218 (37.5%), Edgar Martinez 191 (32.9%), Alan Trammell 141 (24.3%), Larry Walker 118 (20.3%), Mark McGwire 115 (19.8%), Fred McGriff 104 (17.9%), Dave Parker 89 (15.3%), Don Mattingly 79 (13.6%), Dale Murphy 73 (12.6%), Rafael Palmeiro 64 (11.0%), Juan Gonzalez 30 (5.2%), Harold Baines 28 (4.8%), John Franco 27 (4.6%), Kevin Brown 12 (2.1%), Tino Martinez 6 (1.0%), Marquis Grissom 4 (0.7%), Al Leiter 4 (0.7%), John Olerud 4 (0.7%), B.J. Surhoff 2 (0.3%), Bret Boone 1 (0.2%), Benito Santiago 1 (0.2%), Carlos Baerga 0, Lenny Harris 0, Bobby Higginson 0, Charles Johnson 0, Raul Mondesi 0, Kirk Rueter 0.

Bad day for steroid guys.

fox23
01-05-2011, 02:23 PM
Bad day for steroid guys.

Yeah, because obviously they were the only stars from that era who cheated.

Ex-Chicagoan
01-05-2011, 02:24 PM
What, no one voted for Bobby Higginson?

Good selections this year, and some of those low vote totals ARE telling.

Frater Perdurabo
01-05-2011, 02:27 PM
So, does Alomar go in with a Sox cap?

Sargeant79
01-05-2011, 02:28 PM
Yeah, because obviously they were the only stars from that era who cheated.

I made no such assertions that they were. However to the best of my recollection, the names I highlighted were the only two on the list who have either failed a test or admitted use.

RockJock07
01-05-2011, 02:33 PM
Like the choices.

Barry Larkin next year?

sox1970
01-05-2011, 02:34 PM
Like the choices.

Barry Larkin next year?

Yes, there's nobody new next year that's even close to making it, unless you consider Bernie Williams a close call.

Red Barchetta
01-05-2011, 02:45 PM
Sad that despite his career peformance, I will always remember Roberto Alomar for spitting in umpire John Hirschbeck's face during the final week of the 1996 season and then claiming his action was a reaction to Hirshbeck making a racial slur. He then went on by outing Hirschbeck's family life and stress over his son dying from ALD. I remember they had to hold back Hirschbeck in the locker room after the game. :?:

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr357/Allen2112/Other%20Stuff/AlomarSpitting.jpg

WhiteSox5187
01-05-2011, 02:45 PM
Like the choices.

Barry Larkin next year?

I would think so, hopefully Tim Raines gets some more support next year.

tstrike2000
01-05-2011, 02:47 PM
Barry Larkin next year?

No.

CHISOXFAN13
01-05-2011, 02:56 PM
Like the choices.

Barry Larkin next year?

I think Jack Morris and Tim Raines will receive a huge spike next year, too.

asindc
01-05-2011, 02:58 PM
Sad that despite his career peformance, I will always remember Roberto Alomar for spitting in umpire John Hirschbeck's face during the final week of the 1996 season and then claiming his action was a reaction to Hirshbeck making a racial slur. He then went on by outing Hirschbeck's family life and stress over his son dying from ALD. I remember they had to hold back Hirschbeck in the locker room after the game. :?:

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr357/Allen2112/Other%20Stuff/AlomarSpitting.jpg

I thought Alomar said it was because Hirschbeck insulted his mother.

asindc
01-05-2011, 02:58 PM
I think Jack Morris and Tim Raines will receive a huge spike next year, too.

I hope so.

sox1970
01-05-2011, 02:59 PM
The one guy I just don't get is Lee Smith. In my opinion, no way is this guy a Hall of Famer. Yes, he accumulated a lot of saves, but if you're going to be a Hall of Fame closer, you better have an ERA under 3.00 and be a big part of postseason teams. I'm really surprised he gets almost 50% support.

spawn
01-05-2011, 03:01 PM
Sad that despite his career peformance, I will always remember Roberto Alomar for spitting in umpire John Hirschbeck's face during the final week of the 1996 season and then claiming his action was a reaction to Hirshbeck making a racial slur. He then went on by outing Hirschbeck's family life and stress over his son dying from ALD. I remember they had to hold back Hirschbeck in the locker room after the game. :?:

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr357/Allen2112/Other%20Stuff/AlomarSpitting.jpg

Well, it will be the Hall of Fame Class of '11, not the Hall of Class. The Hall of Fame is littered with players that were vile individuals.

LongLiveFisk
01-05-2011, 03:04 PM
When I look at some of the names at the very bottom of the list that got votes, I question whether some of these people are truly qualified for this task.

kittle42
01-05-2011, 03:06 PM
Well, it will be the Hall of Fame Class of '11, not the Hall of Class. The Hall of Fame is littered with players that were vile individuals.

Exactly. The same people complaining about people like Roberto Alomar getting in have no issue with Ty Cobb, for example.

WhiteSox5187
01-05-2011, 03:07 PM
I think Jack Morris and Tim Raines will receive a huge spike next year, too.

Jack Morris has no business in the Hall. He has a 3.90 ERA.

russ99
01-05-2011, 03:07 PM
Bagwell did fairly well for a first ballot at 41%.

He's got a shot for next year too, especially if more writers are aware that his first 9 years were in the pitcher-friendly Astrodome.

With Bagwell at 41% and Edgar at 32%, would that mean that Frank may not make first ballot either? Even if you combine them, that's not 75%.

sox1970
01-05-2011, 03:09 PM
When I look at some of the names at the very bottom of the list that got votes, I question whether some of these people are truly qualified for this task.

That's the good ole "vote for my buddy" vote. It's harmless, but they really shouldn't do that. The Hall should just make a bigger cut before they send the ballot out so the likes of Bret Boone don't get a buddy vote.

WhiteSox5187
01-05-2011, 03:09 PM
Bagwell did fairly well for a first ballot at 41%.

He's got a shot for next year too, especially if more writers are aware that his first 9 years were in the pitcher-friendly Astrodome.

With Bagwell at 41% and Edgar at 32%, would that mean that Frank may not make first ballot either? Even if you combine them, that's not 75%.

I think what would separate Frank from Bagwell and Martinez is the fact that Frank has the magic number (which isn't so magical anymore) of 500 homeruns. Also Frank doesn't have any suspicion of steroid use hanging over him which Bagwell does (Martinez does not as far as I know).

tstrike2000
01-05-2011, 03:14 PM
I think what would separate Frank from Bagwell and Martinez is the fact that Frank has the magic number (which isn't so magical anymore) of 500 homeruns. Also Frank doesn't have any suspicion of steroid use hanging over him which Bagwell does (Martinez does not as far as I know).

And the fact that Frank finished with a .301 lifetime average will help his cause a bit besides the fact he stepped up to the plate during the steroid hearings. Pun intended, of course.

trilobite_hives
01-05-2011, 03:15 PM
Now what will Hawk talk about during Twins games, if he can't rant about Bert not being in the Hall?

sox1970
01-05-2011, 03:16 PM
Now what will Hawk talk about during Twins games, if he can't rant about Bert not being in the Hall?

Carl Yastrzemski.

Hitmen77
01-05-2011, 03:21 PM
Now what will Hawk talk about during Twins games, if he can't rant about Bert not being in the Hall?

Well, he can still talk about how great the Twins organization is.

asindc
01-05-2011, 03:22 PM
Well, it will be the Hall of Fame Class of '11, not the Hall of Class. The Hall of Fame is littered with players that were vile individuals.

... and what Alomar did isn't even in the neighborhood of what many HoFers did before they were elected.

tstrike2000
01-05-2011, 03:27 PM
Now what will Hawk talk about during Twins games, if he can't rant about Bert not being in the Hall?

That Ron Gardenhose is the greatest manager in the history of organized baseball.

Chez
01-05-2011, 03:36 PM
Congrats to Bert and Robbie -- well deserved. I'm hoping that someday the Veterans Committee selects Jim Kaat and Tommy John.

gogosox675
01-05-2011, 03:53 PM
Barry Larkin gets in next year, IMO.

downstairs
01-05-2011, 03:57 PM
What does Alomar go in as? Blue Jay? Indian? Oriole?

sox1970
01-05-2011, 03:59 PM
What does Alomar go in as? Blue Jay? Indian? Oriole?

Jays. 2 championships.

It is interesting, though. I don't think anyone has gone in while never playing for any one team more than five years.

PennStater98r
01-05-2011, 04:10 PM
Jays. 2 championships.

It is interesting, though. I don't think anyone has gone in while never playing for any one team more than five years.

See - I was thinking Cleveland...

MeteorsSox4367
01-05-2011, 04:37 PM
Both Blyleven and Alomar are worthy choices.

I just want to know who the hell voted for BJ Surhoff?

I liked him and thought he was a good player with the Brewers and Orioles, but two Hall of Fame votes?

tstrike2000
01-05-2011, 04:48 PM
Both Blyleven and Alomar are worthy choices.

I just want to know who the hell voted for BJ Surhoff?

I liked him and thought he was a good player with the Brewers and Orioles, but two Hall of Fame votes?

There's always a few that inexplicably get a vote or two. Good for Burt and Robbie though as they both had HOF worthy careers.

Red Barchetta
01-05-2011, 04:52 PM
Exactly. The same people complaining about people like Roberto Alomar getting in have no issue with Ty Cobb, for example.

You are reading too much into my comment. I am not complaining and I am not comparing him to other HOF members. I just said I will always remember him mostly for that one bone-head moment in his career. In watching MLB my whole life, I never saw a player spit on on umpire during an argument. That's it. I never said he didn't deserve to be in the HOF. :rolleyes:

doublem23
01-05-2011, 04:52 PM
Both Blyleven and Alomar are worthy choices.

I just want to know who the hell voted for BJ Surhoff?

I liked him and thought he was a good player with the Brewers and Orioles, but two Hall of Fame votes?

The BBWAA is full of old coots who don't know **** from jack. Remember last year there was that buffoon writing for a retirement newsletter in some god forsaken ****hole in Arizona who had a lifetime membership to the BBWAA because, I don't know, he wrote about baseball in the 50s or something, who voted for Matt Williams becuase he was such a super nice guy while he was a member of the Diamondbacks.

thomas35forever
01-05-2011, 05:08 PM
Congrats to both. It's especially a good thing Blyleven got in because it would have been a disgrace if it would taken the Veterans Committee to elect him.

Bob Roarman
01-05-2011, 06:42 PM
Both Blyleven and Alomar are worthy choices.

I just want to know who the hell voted for BJ Surhoff?

I liked him and thought he was a good player with the Brewers and Orioles, but two Hall of Fame votes?

Well there is a pretty neat story behind why one of the writers voted for him. Can't post the link right now but it should be easy enough to find.

PKalltheway
01-05-2011, 08:34 PM
See - I was thinking Cleveland...

I respectfully disagree. He played in Toronto longer, and got not one, but two rings with them. He wasn't just along for the ride either, as he played a major part for those teams winning those titles. I know he had a non-stop highlight reel with Omar Vizquel in Cleveland, but he was only there for three seasons IIRC. Toronto all the way.

Tragg
01-05-2011, 08:53 PM
What's the objection to Jeff Bagwell- murmurs that he may have juiced?

NDSox12
01-05-2011, 09:01 PM
Both Blyleven and Alomar are worthy choices.

I just want to know who the hell voted for BJ Surhoff?

I liked him and thought he was a good player with the Brewers and Orioles, but two Hall of Fame votes?

One of the votes was ESPN news editor Barry Stanton. He voted for Surhoff and Tino Martinez, but not Blyleven or Alomar.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof11/news/story?id=5984898

Viva Medias B's
01-05-2011, 10:03 PM
Roberto said he wants to go in as a Blue Jay, and he probably will. There are no Hall of Famers in as Jays, I believe. Of course, Roberto's plaque will have the following line:

"CHICAGO A.L. 2003, 2004"

So the White Sox membership in the Hall of Fame will increase by one.

Brian26
01-05-2011, 10:46 PM
Of course, Roberto's plaque will have the following line:

"CHICAGO A.L. 2003, 2004"

So the White Sox membership in the Hall of Fame will increase by one.


After the Sox picked him up in 2003, I really thought they had a chance to go all the way. He was still spectacular on defense, but unfortunately had nothing left with the bat.

Nice career, and he'll definitely go in as a Blue Jay.

soxfanreggie
01-05-2011, 10:53 PM
Roberto said he wants to go in as a Blue Jay, and he probably will. There are no Hall of Famers in as Jays, I believe. Of course, Roberto's plaque will have the following line:

"CHICAGO A.L. 2003, 2004"

So the White Sox membership in the Hall of Fame will increase by one.

When I watched his pressed, he was in front of the Jays' backdrop.

As for Stanton, I would love to know how he can vote the way he did...he has to have some reasoning.

Viva Medias B's
01-05-2011, 11:10 PM
When I watched his pressed, he was in front of the Jays' backdrop.

As for Stanton, I would love to know how he can vote the way he did...he has to have some reasoning.

When Roberto got the call, he was in a conference room in the Blue Jays' front office.

Nellie_Fox
01-06-2011, 01:09 AM
What's the objection to Jeff Bagwell- murmurs that he may have juiced?Yes.


Blyleven could have had a little humility about it. He said "I'd like to thank the writers for finally getting it right."

WhiteSox5187
01-06-2011, 01:40 AM
After the Sox picked him up in 2003, I really thought they had a chance to go all the way. He was still spectacular on defense, but unfortunately had nothing left with the bat.

Nice career, and he'll definitely go in as a Blue Jay.

I was so excited when we got him and Alomar in 2003, I thought the division was ours to lose. When we picked them up in 2004 I was confused.

Yes.


Blyleven could have had a little humility about it. He said "I'd like to thank the writers for finally getting it right."

Blyleven has never been one for class or humility which is probably what kept him out for so long.

gobears1987
01-06-2011, 04:03 AM
Carl Yastrzemski.

And Catfish Hunter

gobears1987
01-06-2011, 04:08 AM
After the Sox picked him up in 2003, I really thought they had a chance to go all the way. He was still spectacular on defense, but unfortunately had nothing left with the bat.

Nice career, and he'll definitely go in as a Blue Jay.

The Metrodome stood in the way of that season. I'm so glad the roof fell down on that ****ing place.

TommyJohn
01-06-2011, 08:24 AM
Yes.


Blyleven could have had a little humility about it. He said "I'd like to thank the writers for finally getting it right."

It doesn't surprise me. I just dion't see him as a Hall of Famer, I never did even when he was playing.

sox1970
01-06-2011, 09:52 AM
It doesn't surprise me. I just don't see him as a Hall of Famer, I never did even when he was playing.

I didn't either, but maybe that was a mistake. Perhaps the limited media exposure back in the 70's and 80's hurt him. It was always Carlton and Seaver, but it's hard to ignore Blyleven's shutouts, strikeouts, longevity, and postseason success. Even without 300 wins, he's every bit as good or better than Don Sutton and Phil Niekro.

As far as Tommy John, I think he'll get in on the Veteran's Committee someday. If you look at his White Sox years, they probably kept him out of the Hall for being on bad teams in the late 60's/early 70's. If those are good teams, he gets at least 12 more wins, and he's a lock. Blyleven getting in helps Tommy John a lot.

Banix12
01-06-2011, 10:29 AM
What's the objection to Jeff Bagwell- murmurs that he may have juiced?

Yeah, some people think his power development was a little bit fishy since he never really hit home runs in the minors and then became a power hitter at the big league level.

No concrete evidence to support the rumors though and he should be in the hall of fame. If only because he is maybe the best hitter to ever put on a Houston uniform in the 50 years of that franchise.

SI1020
01-06-2011, 10:37 AM
Yes.


Blyleven could have had a little humility about it. He said "I'd like to thank the writers for finally getting it right."
He wouldn't have received my vote. IMO he was not the equal of Early Wynn, Robin Roberts, Fergie Jenkins or Nolan Ryan, other RHP in the HOF with many losses. He did have a knee buckling curve ball and he was very good, which seems to be the current standard for enshrinement.

russ99
01-06-2011, 10:40 AM
What's the objection to Jeff Bagwell- murmurs that he may have juiced?

41% isn't bad for a guy in his first year, who didn't reach the 500 HR mark and who didn't play in major market, which is certainly a factor for the BBWA.

I think the baseless PED accusations are much less of a factor here, or he'd have gotten similar vote percentages as the known cheats.

It may take a few years, but he's going to get in. I'd really like to see Bagwell and Biggio get in the same year.

Lip Man 1
01-06-2011, 11:45 AM
If Tommy John gets in (and he should) then Jim Katt also belongs.

Lip

soxfanatlanta
01-06-2011, 01:49 PM
It may take a few years, but he's going to get in. I'd really like to see Bagwell and Biggio get in the same year.

That would be very fitting!

downstairs
01-06-2011, 06:25 PM
Both Blyleven and Alomar are worthy choices.

I just want to know who the hell voted for BJ Surhoff?

I liked him and thought he was a good player with the Brewers and Orioles, but two Hall of Fame votes?

A ton of idiot writers will most likely always vote for anyone from their home team because they can.

akingamongstmen
01-06-2011, 08:17 PM
That would be very fitting!

Just like how Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz would go in together in a perfect world. Unfortunately, that won't happen (probably) since I believe that their eligibility years don't overlap and they all will probably go first ballot.

Nellie_Fox
01-07-2011, 01:26 AM
I just want to know who the hell voted for BJ Surhoff?

I liked him and thought he was a good player with the Brewers and Orioles, but two Hall of Fame votes?

A ton of idiot writers will most likely always vote for anyone from their home team because they can.Yesterday on MLB Radio on XM, they interviewed some idiot who voted for Surhoff and Tino Martinez, but did not vote for Alomar. Basically, his only explanation was that he was a fan of Surhoff and Tino. The XM guys tried like hell to get him to understand that as a HOF voter, he had a responsibility to stand back from his "fandom" and evaluate realistically, but he just didn't get it. I wish I remembered his name, but I was driving and only half paying attention to the radio.

TDog
01-07-2011, 06:56 AM
Both Blyleven and Alomar are worthy choices.

I just want to know who the hell voted for BJ Surhoff?

I liked him and thought he was a good player with the Brewers and Orioles, but two Hall of Fame votes?

You can vote for up to 10 players. I don't think anyone does. Some writers have turned in blank ballots. There is always room on your ballot for players voters don't think belong, but you don't want to see shut out. It isn't as if Surhoff is taking away votes from anyone. If someone votes for people who someone, it doesn't mean they believe they are worthy. But if they leave someone off, it generally means they don't believe they are worthy.

I expected Blyleven to make it. I've talked to voters who had never voted for him before who said they would vote for him this year, that they had come around to believing he belongs. I wouldn't have voted for Blyleven, though. Had I a ballot, I would have left him off of it.

I would have voted for Baines, though. And, seriously, I believe he is more worthy than Blyleven.

Oblong
01-07-2011, 10:27 AM
They seriously need to revise the voting process. I don't understand why the Hall feels beholden to the BBWAA. This isn't the dark ages anymore where writers were the most informed.

What I do like is the fact that you have a large # of voters and thus you can work around biases that individuals have, which was a flaw to the Veterans Committee process. All you needed was a few guys on there to favor someone and it ended up becoming like a city council meeting, people trading votes, etc. At least with a large # of voters that stuff gets flushed out.

But they need to screen them or kick people off. 9 people didnt vote for George Brett. 9 didn't vote for Hank Aaron. I'd like to know why. 29 didn't vote for Steve Carlton.. i presume because he was a jerk to the media. Boo freakin' hoo.

I know Dimaggio didn't make it his first year but I've always understood the issue there wasn't that people didn't think he was qualified, it was that they didnt' know they could vote for him. There was confusion on eligibility for awhile.

TDog
01-07-2011, 05:15 PM
They seriously need to revise the voting process. I don't understand why the Hall feels beholden to the BBWAA. This isn't the dark ages anymore where writers were the most informed.

What I do like is the fact that you have a large # of voters and thus you can work around biases that individuals have, which was a flaw to the Veterans Committee process. All you needed was a few guys on there to favor someone and it ended up becoming like a city council meeting, people trading votes, etc. At least with a large # of voters that stuff gets flushed out.

But they need to screen them or kick people off. 9 people didnt vote for George Brett. 9 didn't vote for Hank Aaron. I'd like to know why. 29 didn't vote for Steve Carlton.. i presume because he was a jerk to the media. Boo freakin' hoo.

I know Dimaggio didn't make it his first year but I've always understood the issue there wasn't that people didn't think he was qualified, it was that they didnt' know they could vote for him. There was confusion on eligibility for awhile.

I don't know if you are suggesting fans should have a vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame, but if the vote were in the hands of the fans, Henry Aaron wouldn't have been unanimous. Writers voting for the Hall of Fame gave Aaron a higher percentage than fans would have. The same applies for Carlton and Brett.

It's irrelevant that people left Alomar off the ballot because the system is set up so that he doesn't have to get a unanimous vote.

RadioheadRocks
01-07-2011, 10:03 PM
A ton of idiot writers will most likely always vote for anyone from their home team because they can.


Ahhhh, the "why a dog licks himself" theory... never been known to fail!

Railsplitter
01-08-2011, 10:31 AM
Sorry, but I don't think anybody who pitches 20+ seasons and doesn't win at least 300 games a year belongs in the Hall of Fame. It's not the Hall of Longevity.

sox1970
01-08-2011, 11:16 AM
Sorry, but I don't think anybody who pitches 20+ seasons and doesn't win at least 300 games a year belongs in the Hall of Fame. It's not the Hall of Longevity.

Now that would be a hell of a season.

I know you meant in a career, but as we've seen this past year with Felix Hernandez, wins are hard to get, and you're really at the mercy of your offense. Steve Carlton ruined it for everyone when he got 27 wins for a horrible baseball team, but if you look at Blyleven's individual seasons with innings pitched, ERA's, and strikeouts, he's there with the pitchers of his era. I think he deserved the Hall.

Viva Medias B's
01-08-2011, 12:39 PM
Who was the last first ballot HoFer voted in with 100%?

wilburaga
01-08-2011, 01:10 PM
Who was the last first ballot HoFer voted in with 100%?

Nobody. Seaver came the closest with 98.84%. (Slightly above normal)

Oblong
01-08-2011, 03:30 PM
I don't know if you are suggesting fans should have a vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame, but if the vote were in the hands of the fans, Henry Aaron wouldn't have been unanimous. Writers voting for the Hall of Fame gave Aaron a higher percentage than fans would have. The same applies for Carlton and Brett.

It's irrelevant that people left Alomar off the ballot because the system is set up so that he doesn't have to get a unanimous vote.

No, I don't think fans should vote. But I think there's just too many uninformed voters now. Maybe they need to have some standards. You have some writers who won't vote for player X because they're afraid they'll get a higher percantage than player Y got.... it's stuff like that which bothers me.

I don't know what the solution is. Getting more than a dozen people together to discuss something like this would be logistically difficult.

Is there a list of who the voters are? Was it in this thread I read that one guy is a voter who hasn't covered baseball since like the 60s?

Mohoney
01-13-2011, 03:53 AM
When I look at some of the names at the very bottom of the list that got votes, I question whether some of these people are truly qualified for this task.

Couple that with the fact that there were voters that DIDN'T vote for Cal Ripken, Tony Gwynn, George Brett, Nolan Ryan, etc.

Let me see who didn't vote for these guys, and then let me rescind their voting rights.

Mohoney
01-13-2011, 03:54 AM
No.

I disagree. Barry Larkin is more worthy than Jim Rice.

SI1020
01-13-2011, 10:24 AM
I disagree. Barry Larkin is more worthy than Jim Rice. I think he's just as worthy as Alomar.