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Fenway
01-03-2011, 03:49 PM
Carl took out a half page ad in both Tampa papers on Sunday....classy

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/peteabepics/Crawfordad.jpg

Red Barchetta
01-03-2011, 04:08 PM
As a Floridian transplant from Chicago, it's been fun watching the Rays play over the last few years. The new owners have done a great job in building a competitive team and organization.

Crawford always played hard and I knew he would cash in somewhere else after his contract expired.

It will be interesting to see whether the Rays minor leagues can continue to produce as they continue to lose their marquee free agents. Playing in Tropicana is really hindering their attempts to build a season ticket fanbase around the Tampa Bay area. If they don't secure a new ballpark deal in the next 3 years, I think they are gone. Montreal Rays?!

Fenway
01-03-2011, 04:23 PM
As a Floridian transplant from Chicago, it's been fun watching the Rays play over the last few years. The new owners have done a great job in building a competitive team and organization.

Crawford always played hard and I knew he would cash in somewhere else after his contract expired.

It will be interesting to see whether the Rays minor leagues can continue to produce as they continue to lose their marquee free agents. Playing in Tropicana is really hindering their attempts to build a season ticket fanbase around the Tampa Bay area. If they don't secure a new ballpark deal in the next 3 years, I think they are gone. Montreal Rays?!

Yes the new ownership has done everything right but still this year they finished 23rd in attendance.

The South St Pete location just doesn't work and the buyout on the rest of the 30 year lease is now down to a figure that could prompt a move.

My own best guess is a new stadium east of downtown Tampa near the Florida State Fairgrounds might be the only place it could work as it then brings Metro Orlando into the mix.

DonnieDarko
01-03-2011, 07:36 PM
Carl took out a half page ad in both Tampa papers on Sunday....classy

Agreed, classy.

palehozenychicty
01-03-2011, 07:40 PM
This is a grown man's act.

Red Barchetta
01-03-2011, 07:43 PM
Yes the new ownership has done everything right but still this year they finished 23rd in attendance.

The South St Pete location just doesn't work and the buyout on the rest of the 30 year lease is now down to a figure that could prompt a move.

My own best guess is a new stadium east of downtown Tampa near the Florida State Fairgrounds might be the only place it could work as it then brings Metro Orlando into the mix.

I read an article in the local papers about a new Rays ballpark near the Florida State Fairgrounds off of I4 as part of a larger entertainment complex that would also have a bridge connecting into the Hard Rock Casino.

Although that location would be more centralized for the entire Tampa Bay area (Tampa, St. Pete, Clearwater, North Tampa, Brandon, Lakeland, Sarasota, etc.), it would be a ballpark located in the middle of a parking lot. I have been to a few concerts at the outdoor ampitheater located there and depending on what type of livestock event is going on, the smell can linger...:?:

There has been talk about a ballpark on Dale Mabry near Yankees Legends Field spring training complex and the Bucs' Raymond James stadium. The traffic is already pretty bad around that area so I can't imagine them adding to it for 81 + games each season.

I would personally like to see them build a smaller, more intimate outdoor/rectractable roof ballpark near the historical Ybor district. That would give them more of a downtown Tampa feel with the skyline and trolly cars. Depending on where of if the land is available, they have older cigar-production factories that could create an environment similar to Camden Yards.

DSpivack
01-03-2011, 08:04 PM
I read an article in the local papers about a new Rays ballpark near the Florida State Fairgrounds off of I4 as part of a larger entertainment complex that would also have a bridge connecting into the Hard Rock Casino.

Although that location would be more centralized for the entire Tampa Bay area (Tampa, St. Pete, Clearwater, North Tampa, Brandon, Lakeland, Sarasota, etc.), it would be a ballpark located in the middle of a parking lot. I have been to a few concerts at the outdoor ampitheater located there and depending on what type of livestock event is going on, the smell can linger...:?:

There has been talk about a ballpark on Dale Mabry near Yankees Legends Field spring training complex and the Bucs' Raymond James stadium. The traffic is already pretty bad around that area so I can't imagine them adding to it for 81 + games each season.

I would personally like to see them build a smaller, more intimate outdoor/rectractable roof ballpark near the historical Ybor district. That would give them more of a downtown Tampa feel with the skyline and trolly cars. Depending on where of if the land is available, they have older cigar-production factories that could create an environment similar to Camden Yards.

I liked the proposal the team had in downtown Tampa a couple years ago.

Fenway
01-03-2011, 08:44 PM
I liked the proposal the team had in downtown Tampa a couple years ago.

That was downtown St Pete

DSpivack
01-03-2011, 08:58 PM
That was downtown St Pete

Oops.

They should just move that proposal to Tampa, than. :tongue:

TDog
01-03-2011, 10:35 PM
Carl took out a half page ad in both Tampa papers on Sunday....classy


It would have been classier still if he would have stayed in St. Petersburg.

DSpivack
01-03-2011, 11:42 PM
It would have been classier still if he would have stayed in St. Petersburg.

And crippled the team's payroll by taking up too large a chunk out of it?

TDog
01-04-2011, 02:14 AM
And crippled the team's payroll by taking up too large a chunk out of it?

If he were really classy, he could play for less. One year late in his career, Ted Williams sent his contract back to the Red Sox and requested a pay cut.

gobears1987
01-04-2011, 03:09 AM
Baseball in Florida just doesn't work. Too many of the people are on fixed incomes and those who can afford tickets are transplants who spent their entire lives rooting for other teams and won't change allegiances. I don't care what the Marlins and Rays do. Even if they have new stadiums and championship teams, they still wouldn't be able to sell seats.

Fenway
01-04-2011, 07:38 AM
If he were really classy, he could play for less. One year late in his career, Ted Williams sent his contract back to the Red Sox and requested a pay cut.

Yes, Ted had a poor (for him) in 1959 batting .254 - and he demanded a pay cut.

Everybody talks about him batting .406 in 1941 - but overlooks at the age of 38 batted .388 in 1957.

Red Barchetta
01-04-2011, 08:51 AM
Baseball in Florida just doesn't work. Too many of the people are on fixed incomes and those who can afford tickets are transplants who spent their entire lives rooting for other teams and won't change allegiances. I don't care what the Marlins and Rays do. Even if they have new stadiums and championship teams, they still wouldn't be able to sell seats.

It will be interesting to see how well Miami does in attendance after their new ballpark is built in 2012. Their current stadium (which has changed names too many times to remember) they share with the Dolphins is now even considered a bad football stadium due to the way the stadium in configured. The fans bake at football games so I can't imagine sitting in the baking sun during an August baseball game in Miami.

The retractable roof idea should work well because the weather is very pleasant April/May/September & October (?). They also designed the new ballpark to reflect the sun and provide shade in many areas of the ballpark. Out of all the Florida areas/cities, I think Miami has the best chance to succeed.

I agree about Tampa Bay. They have a tough time selling out any major sporting event on a regular basis. The Bucs were 10-6 this year and the home games were blacked out due to lack of attendance. Amazing considering you see the Bears/Vikings/Packers die-hards filling up a stadium when it's 5 degrees outside and snowing, while the Bucs can't fill a stadium when it's sunny and 70 degrees outside. It's one thing if the team is performing badly, however it's another thing when the team has a winning program like the Bucs (and Rays), even though the Bucs came off a bad 2009 season.

The Florida economy has been hit harder than many other areas of the country with unemployment still hovering around 12%. :(:

kittle42
01-04-2011, 09:34 AM
If he were really classy, he could play for less. One year late in his career, Ted Williams sent his contract back to the Red Sox and requested a pay cut.

Absolutely. A player should only play for what his sorta-current employer is willing to pay him.

You can't seriously believe this stuff.

Cue that old man smiley icon.

Fenway
01-04-2011, 10:06 AM
I agree about Tampa Bay. They have a tough time selling out any major sporting event on a regular basis. The Bucs were 10-6 this year and the home games were blacked out due to lack of attendance. Amazing considering you see the Bears/Vikings/Packers die-hards filling up a stadium when it's 5 degrees outside and snowing, while the Bucs can't fill a stadium when it's sunny and 70 degrees outside. It's one thing if the team is performing badly, however it's another thing when the team has a winning program like the Bucs (and Rays), even though the Bucs came off a bad 2009 season.

The Florida economy has been hit harder than many other areas of the country with unemployment still hovering around 12%. :(:


I lived in Tampa Bay for one year and it is as dysfunctional as any metro area I have ever seen.

I lived in Pinellas County just north of St Pete and in 1991 it cost me more to call Tampa on a landline than Boston. :scratch: The 2 core cities just won't work together, perfect example just try to get a bus from St Petersburg to Tampa.

The third large city in the mix, Clearwater, has a huge property tax problem as the Church of Scientology bought up EVERY piece of downtown Clearwater and of course pay no taxes.

I always suspected baseball would be a hard sell in TB simply because how poorly the Florida State League always did in attendance.

Downtown Tampa has at first glance an impressive skyline but a huge vacancy rate as with all the bank mergers Tampa is no longer a HQ city for any bank.

What does keep the Rays afloat is a good TV contract as people are watching the games on TV, they just don't go to The Trop.

soltrain21
01-04-2011, 11:49 AM
If he were really classy, he could play for less. One year late in his career, Ted Williams sent his contract back to the Red Sox and requested a pay cut.

Sometimes I wonder if you really mean the things you say.

TDog
01-04-2011, 01:30 PM
Absolutely. A player should only play for what his sorta-current employer is willing to pay him.

You can't seriously believe this stuff.

Cue that old man smiley icon.

You can't call a player classy for leaving a team the way Carl Crawford did. You can call him tactful. You can call him politically savvy in the way he is maintaining his image. He was obviously aware that by signing with one of the economic giants of his division he had to do something to maintain his image in light of the fallout from the basketball player who went to Florida for big money and failed to say the right things.

What Carl Crawford did didn't make him classy. It was more about image than substance. He certainly won't be the classiest left fielder in Red Sox history.

doublem23
01-04-2011, 01:41 PM
You can't call a player classy for leaving a team the way Carl Crawford did. You can call him tactful. You can call him politically savvy in the way he is maintaining his image. He was obviously aware that by signing with one of the economic giants of his division he had to do something to maintain his image in light of the fallout from the basketball player who went to Florida for big money and failed to say the right things.

What Carl Crawford did didn't make him classy. It was more about image than substance. He certainly won't be the classiest left fielder in Red Sox history.

The fact that you have to drag LeBron James into a Carl Crawford thread should prove to you how ridiculous this comparison is.

kittle42
01-04-2011, 01:53 PM
The fact that you have to drag LeBron James into a Carl Crawford thread should prove to you how ridiculous this comparison is.

Seriously. Free agency is a fact of life in sports. If it disgusts someone that much every time somebody switches teams because they want more money, stop watching sports.

It's not like Crawford did anything - *anything* - "wrong" or even "questionable." Just another big free agent signing, like hundreds and hundreds before him.

If Ted Williams' frozen head could hit right now, it would almost certainly take the most money available to go play somewhere (or at least Cliff Lee it!).

I am reminded of Dana Carvey. "Back in my day..."

downstairs
01-04-2011, 04:30 PM
I read an article in the local papers about a new Rays ballpark near the Florida State Fairgrounds off of I4 as part of a larger entertainment complex that would also have a bridge connecting into the Hard Rock Casino.

Although that location would be more centralized for the entire Tampa Bay area (Tampa, St. Pete, Clearwater, North Tampa, Brandon, Lakeland, Sarasota, etc.), it would be a ballpark located in the middle of a parking lot. I have been to a few concerts at the outdoor ampitheater located there and depending on what type of livestock event is going on, the smell can linger...:?:

There has been talk about a ballpark on Dale Mabry near Yankees Legends Field spring training complex and the Bucs' Raymond James stadium. The traffic is already pretty bad around that area so I can't imagine them adding to it for 81 + games each season.

I would personally like to see them build a smaller, more intimate outdoor/rectractable roof ballpark near the historical Ybor district. That would give them more of a downtown Tampa feel with the skyline and trolly cars. Depending on where of if the land is available, they have older cigar-production factories that could create an environment similar to Camden Yards.


Yeah, Jazz Fest down here is held in the fairgrounds- a horse race track. If it rains during Jazz Fest it gets real gross, real quick.

Tragg
01-04-2011, 06:36 PM
James handled things terribly, but I think that both he and Crawford can legitimately point to the fact that their original teams weren't making the necessary effort to win. This may hold true more for the Cavs than the Rays, but the Rays are basically living off of years of great drafting thanks to great draft position. Investing, they aren't. At least the Twins pay their key players.

TheVulture
01-04-2011, 06:45 PM
I lived in Pinellas County just north of St Pete and in 1991 it cost me more to call Tampa on a landline than Boston. :scratch: The 2 core cities just won't work together, perfect example just try to get a bus from St Petersburg to Tampa.



It's quite common for in-state long distance rates to be higher than state to state rates. With the right plan, callers can even get lower rates to the UK or Canada than in-state long distance rates in many states. The local calling and regional calling areas were determined more or less arbitrarily during the Bell breakup in the 80s, it has nothing to do with a metro area being dysfunctional or cities working together. It's out of the cities' jurisdiction to determine calling areas. If you live next to the LATA border, a call across the street could be considered local long distance. The same is true no matter where you live.

DSpivack
01-04-2011, 06:48 PM
Seriously. Free agency is a fact of life in sports. If it disgusts someone that much every time somebody switches teams because they want more money, stop watching sports.

It's not like Crawford did anything - *anything* - "wrong" or even "questionable." Just another big free agent signing, like hundreds and hundreds before him.

If Ted Williams' frozen head could hit right now, it would almost certainly take the most money available to go play somewhere (or at least Cliff Lee it!).

I am reminded of Dana Carvey. "Back in my day..."

The fact that you have to drag LeBron James into a Carl Crawford thread should prove to you how ridiculous this comparison is.

Ted Williams and Manny Ramirez were the greatest LFs the Red Sox have ever seen, but neither of them were known for their class.

The other great in their history I can think of is Yaz. I didn't realize Hawk posted here.

TDog
01-04-2011, 09:31 PM
Seriously. Free agency is a fact of life in sports. If it disgusts someone that much every time somebody switches teams because they want more money, stop watching sports.

It's not like Crawford did anything - *anything* - "wrong" or even "questionable." Just another big free agent signing, like hundreds and hundreds before him.

If Ted Williams' frozen head could hit right now, it would almost certainly take the most money available to go play somewhere (or at least Cliff Lee it!).

I am reminded of Dana Carvey. "Back in my day..."

First, I never wrote that there was anything wrong or evil or un-American about Crawford signing with the Red Sox. There is nothing classy about a free agent signing with the Red Sox no matter how tactfully it is done. It is what it is

Class is re-signing with your team or signing with your home team for less than what other teams are offering. Class is telling a team that offers you more you have agreed on a handshake to play for another team that you gave your word and it would be wrong to back out of your contract.

Second, there should be no question that the ad Crawford took out was influenced by the recent reaction to the way James' free-agency and signing was handled. Crawford obviously cares what people think about him.

Third, you can speculate on how Ted Williams would have dealt with today's free-agent environment, but what he did do, was demand one-fifth less money than the team offered him after failing to hit .300 for the only time in his career.

And the public didn't even consider Ted Williams classy. Few did until his career was nearly over. He was even criticized when he went off to fly missions in Korea (where he was shot down) because before going he said the country should send active pilots to Korea before calling up reservists. Even after he matured, and lost some of his anger, he didn't work to groom a public image.

this is about class. If you think Crawford is classy based on this ad, you have low standards for class.

Bob Roarman
01-04-2011, 09:46 PM
Why does it have to get this complicated? He thanked the fans that supported and moved on. That's it. That's the entire story.

spawn
01-04-2011, 09:55 PM
You can't call a player classy for leaving a team the way Carl Crawford did. You can call him tactful. You can call him politically savvy in the way he is maintaining his image. He was obviously aware that by signing with one of the economic giants of his division he had to do something to maintain his image in light of the fallout from the basketball player who went to Florida for big money and failed to say the right things.

What Carl Crawford did didn't make him classy. It was more about image than substance. He certainly won't be the classiest left fielder in Red Sox history.
You're right. How classless of him to excercise his rights as a free agent and sign with another team for what the his current market value is. What a douche to thank the fans of the team he left for their support while he was there!

Fenway
01-04-2011, 10:04 PM
First, I never wrote that there was anything wrong or evil or un-American about Crawford signing with the Red Sox. There is nothing classy about a free agent signing with the Red Sox no matter how tactfully it is done. It is what it is

Class is re-signing with your team or signing with your home team for less than what other teams are offering. Class is telling a team that offers you more you have agreed on a handshake to play for another team that you gave your word and it would be wrong to back out of your contract.

Second, there should be no question that the ad Crawford took out was influenced by the recent reaction to the way James' free-agency and signing was handled. Crawford obviously cares what people think about him.

Third, you can speculate on how Ted Williams would have dealt with today's free-agent environment, but what he did do, was demand one-fifth less money than the team offered him after failing to hit .300 for the only time in his career.

And the public didn't even consider Ted Williams classy. Few did until his career was nearly over. He was even criticized when he went off to fly missions in Korea (where he was shot down) because before going he said the country should send active pilots to Korea before calling up reservists. Even after he matured, and lost some of his anger, he didn't work to groom a public image.

this is about class. If you think Crawford is classy based on this ad, you have low standards for class.

On Ted Williams - There was a sportswriter by the name of Dave Egan who wrote for the Hearst tabloid Record who just wrote awful things about Williams. I went to the library to look at microfilm and it was brutal.

Egan NEVER met Williams and also never went to Fenway in fear that Ted would kill him.

kittle42
01-04-2011, 10:46 PM
First, I never wrote that there was anything wrong or evil or un-American about Crawford signing with the Red Sox. There is nothing classy about a free agent signing with the Red Sox no matter how tactfully it is done. It is what it is

Class is re-signing with your team or signing with your home team for less than what other teams are offering. Class is telling a team that offers you more you have agreed on a handshake to play for another team that you gave your word and it would be wrong to back out of your contract.

Second, there should be no question that the ad Crawford took out was influenced by the recent reaction to the way James' free-agency and signing was handled. Crawford obviously cares what people think about him.

this is about class. If you think Crawford is classy based on this ad, you have low standards for class.

So your whole problem is simply with the use of the word, "classy?" OK - I thought that was a silly word to use, too. That being said, it was a nice gesture on Crawford's part and it shows that he appreciated the support of his fans in Tampa Bay while he was there. I'd have thought Konerko would do something like that if he left for another team this offseason.

Classy would have been if he was wearing a tuxedo in the ads. And a monocle.

kittle42
01-04-2011, 10:47 PM
Egan NEVER met Williams and also never went to Fenway in fear that Ted would kill him.

Eh, even if Williams would have killed Egan, it would have been done in a classy manner.

asindc
01-05-2011, 09:08 AM
I think TDog is correct here, the gesture is not necessarily classy but it is tactful, and one that I applaud.

doublem23
01-05-2011, 09:15 AM
I think TDog is correct here, the gesture is not necessarily classy but it is tactful, and one that I applaud.

What is not classy about it? For all we know, the Rays didn't even really offer Crawford a real contract, they have to know the squeeze on their payroll is coming real soon and they may have simply worked him out of their plans to try and remain somewhat competitive. Carl may not have even had a real chance to sign with Tampa Bay, even if he wanted to. Or maybe he really, really hates Tampa. Either way, who cares? The guy played hard for years for the Rays, even when they sucked, and now is enjoying the rewards of his effort. Good for him.

If you want to bitch about Crawford leaving TB for much greener pastures and paychecks in Boston, fine, blame the whole broken system of free agency and team revenue in baseball, but don't hate the guy who, up to this point, has been a model MLB player and citizen, for taking advantage of the system that's in place.

asindc
01-05-2011, 09:21 AM
What is not classy about it? For all we know, the Rays didn't even really offer Crawford a real contract, they have to know the squeeze on their payroll is coming real soon and they may have simply worked him out of their plans to try and remain somewhat competitive. Carl may not have even had a real chance to sign with Tampa Bay, even if he wanted to. Or maybe he really, really hates Tampa. Either way, who cares? The guy played hard for years for the Rays, even when they sucked, and now is enjoying the rewards of his effort. Good for him.

If you want to bitch about Crawford leaving TB for much greener pastures and paychecks in Boston, fine, blame the whole broken system of free agency and team revenue in baseball, but don't hate the guy who, up to this point, has been a model MLB player and citizen, for taking advantage of the system that's in place.

I don't.

kittle42
01-05-2011, 09:50 AM
What is not classy about it? For all we know, the Rays didn't even really offer Crawford a real contract, they have to know the squeeze on their payroll is coming real soon and they may have simply worked him out of their plans to try and remain somewhat competitive. Carl may not have even had a real chance to sign with Tampa Bay, even if he wanted to. Or maybe he really, really hates Tampa. Either way, who cares? The guy played hard for years for the Rays, even when they sucked, and now is enjoying the rewards of his effort. Good for him.

If you want to bitch about Crawford leaving TB for much greener pastures and paychecks in Boston, fine, blame the whole broken system of free agency and team revenue in baseball, but don't hate the guy who, up to this point, has been a model MLB player and citizen, for taking advantage of the system that's in place.

They're just being whiny about the use of the word, "classy." Fine, call it "nice" or "respectful" instead.

Mohoney
01-05-2011, 11:16 AM
Class is re-signing with your team or signing with your home team for less than what other teams are offering.

How does that have anything to do with class?

kittle42
01-05-2011, 11:27 AM
How does that have anything to do with class?

Absolutely nothing! Good catch. So TDog argues about the use of the word "class," and then completely misuses it himself.

I may just ask my next employer for a lower salary than they offer. Class.

TDog
01-05-2011, 06:21 PM
How does that have anything to do with class?

It's the definition of class. It's about integrity and putting others before your own personal gain. It's about doing what's right.

When Jackie Robinson told the people on Sports Challenge who had him as a guest that he did not have any meal expenses during his trip to LA because he would have had to eat anyway, that was class. When Jermaine Dye told a team that he was about to sign with the White Sox and he would be going back on his word if he signed elsewhere for more money, that was class.

When Carl Crawford signs with a hated division rival and takes out an ad in the paper in hopes that he won't be hated by the fans who used to love him, that is an attempt at tactful public relations. Words aren't classy unless they are in support of classy actions.

I never wrote that Crawford was wrong to sign with the Red Sox or that James was wrong to sign with whoever he signed with. Apparently James signed and was a jerk about it. Crawford tried not to be a jerk about it. What he says doesn't change his actions. There was nothing classy about signing with the Red Sox.

DirtySox
01-05-2011, 06:36 PM
Sometimes I wonder if you really mean the things you say.

Sometimes I wonder if TDog disagrees with things merely so he can tell old baseball anecdotes.

Lip Man 1
01-05-2011, 06:56 PM
LOL!

:D:

Lip

Bump34
01-06-2011, 03:49 PM
90% of the time its probably the agents that develop and buy the ad for the player... there were rumblings that Carlos Pena was going to take out a full page color ad in the St. Pete Times... but balked at the $24,000 price... so he opted for a 1/2 page black and white...

kittle42
01-06-2011, 06:08 PM
There was nothing classy about signing with the Red Sox.

The subject was his newspaper ad, not his signing.

And it was a nice thing to do.

Brian26
01-06-2011, 07:16 PM
It's the definition of class. It's about integrity and putting others before your own personal gain. It's about doing what's right.

When Jackie Robinson told the people on Sports Challenge who had him as a guest that he did not have any meal expenses during his trip to LA because he would have had to eat anyway, that was class. When Jermaine Dye told a team that he was about to sign with the White Sox and he would be going back on his word if he signed elsewhere for more money, that was class.

When Carl Crawford signs with a hated division rival and takes out an ad in the paper in hopes that he won't be hated by the fans who used to love him, that is an attempt at tactful public relations. Words aren't classy unless they are in support of classy actions.

I never wrote that Crawford was wrong to sign with the Red Sox or that James was wrong to sign with whoever he signed with. Apparently James signed and was a jerk about it. Crawford tried not to be a jerk about it. What he says doesn't change his actions. There was nothing classy about signing with the Red Sox.

At the same time, there was nothing NOT classy about Crawford signing with the Red Sox. It was a business decision. He fulfilled his contractual obligations for the Rays and used his given-right to free agency to sign with the team that offered him the best contract. That team happens to be in the same division, but would you put less weight on it if he were to have signed with San Francisco?

I agree with you that the ad was a public relations move, but, all in all, it was a nice thing to do.