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DirtySox
12-15-2010, 06:58 PM
Per Peter Gammons:

pgammo (http://twitter.com/#%21/pgammo) Peter Gammons
White Sox have three year deal with Jesse Crain.
16 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/pgammo/status/15222592562536448)

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 07:01 PM
Okay. These two tweets made me snicker.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 07:06 PM
And Jesse Crain. Yes.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2073/2475927505_24846c41a7.jpg?v=0

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 07:06 PM
No thank you. I have seen plenty of Jesse Crain in my day; don't let his 2010 numbers fool you. The guy just isn't very good. Many of you probably don't know this, but he has been so bad as recently as 2009 that the Twins sent him to AAA. Not a good idea at all.

Ask any Twins fan prior to July of last season about Crain and they would have given you a very similar answer to someone asking you about Linebrink.

And what the hell is Cowley getting at with his 50 cents, 1 dollar, 1.50 thingy?

Brian26
12-15-2010, 07:08 PM
Is this the guy who was busted for PEDs?

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 07:10 PM
Is this the guy who was busted for PEDs?

Not that I know of.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 07:10 PM
Is this the guy who was busted for PEDs?

No sir.

Brian26
12-15-2010, 07:10 PM
And what the hell is Cowley getting at with his 50 cents, 1 dollar, 1.50 thingy?

He's referencing an old Kenny quote from the early 2000s when Kenny said he couldn't spend a $1.00 with only 50 cents in his pocket.

Brian26
12-15-2010, 07:11 PM
Not that I know of.

No sir.

Who am I thinking of? He was a Twins reliever at the time.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 07:12 PM
Who am I thinking of? He was a Twins reliever at the time.

Juan Rincon?

sox1970
12-15-2010, 07:12 PM
Juan Rincon

Brian26
12-15-2010, 07:15 PM
Juan Rincon?

Juan Rincon

Thanks

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 07:18 PM
He's referencing an old Kenny quote from the early 2000s when Kenny said he couldn't spend a $1.00 with only 50 cents in his pocket.

Okay...but is he trying to say that Crain is going to break the bank? I wouldn't sign the guy for cheap, let alone an expensive multi-year contract.

Let him be some other teams problem.

PalehosePlanet
12-15-2010, 07:18 PM
Juan Rincon?

I was just about to say that!

As for Crain, I know he was terrible in 2009, but otherwise he's been consistent from year to year. I'm in favor of signing him as Putz's replacement and going with a closer by committee until someone grabs the bull by the horns.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 07:21 PM
Okay...but is he trying to say that Crain is going to break the bank? I wouldn't sign the guy for cheap, let alone an expensive multi-year contract.

Let him be some other teams problem.

I don't agree. He wasn't good in '09 and that's about it. And, we need the bullpen help. I would see this as a good signing.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 07:22 PM
No thank you. I have seen plenty of Jesse Crain in my day; don't let his 2010 numbers fool you. The guy just isn't very good. Many of you probably don't know this, but he has been so bad as recently as 2009 that the Twins sent him to AAA. Not a good idea at all.

Ask any Twins fan prior to July of last season about Crain and they would have given you a very similar answer to someone asking you about Linebrink.

And what the hell is Cowley getting at with his 50 cents, 1 dollar, 1.50 thingy?

Eh, I don't really put much stock into what fans of teams think of a player. His peripherals suggest an average to above average reliever with one bad outlier of a year in 2009, and a bad 16 IP in 2007. His WHIP and ERA+ all seem rather acceptable.

I don't think Kenny is shooting for the moon with relievers and Crain could be a decent acquisition as long as he isn't issued a Linebrink-esque contract.

sullythered
12-15-2010, 07:30 PM
Okay...but is he trying to say that Crain is going to break the bank? I wouldn't sign the guy for cheap, let alone an expensive multi-year contract.

Let him be some other teams problem.

I don't want to break the bank for any relief pitcher, but why wouldn't you want a pretty consistent and pretty good bullpen guy for cheap?

Pretty good ERA and, more importantly, good WHIP all in the AL.

Lip Man 1
12-15-2010, 07:30 PM
I'd have no issues with signing him...as long as it's the start of rebuilding the bullpen.

The Sox need at least two more reliable arms to go with Thornton, Sale, Pena and Santos.

Actually three would make me happier but that's going to depend on what they cost, who might still be available and how panicky either the Sox or the players themselves are if the calendar rolls to February.

Lip

sullythered
12-15-2010, 07:32 PM
I'd have no issues with signing him...as long as it's the start of rebuilding the bullpen.

The Sox need at least two more reliable arms to go with Thornton, Sale, Pena and Santos.

Actually three would make me happier but that's going to depend on what they cost, who might still be available and how panicky either the Sox or the players themselves are if the calendar rolls to February.

Lip

I think it is an enormous likelihood that Sale is our fifth starter.

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 07:37 PM
Eh, I don't really put much stock into what fans of teams think of a player. His peripherals suggest an average to above average reliever with one bad outlier of a year in 2009, and a bad 16 IP in 2007. His WHIP and ERA+ all seem rather acceptable.

I don't think Kenny is shooting for the moon with relievers and Crain could be a decent acquisition as long as he isn't issued a Linebrink-esque contract.

I don't either, it was just a point. I have lived in Minnesota most of my life and have watched a whole lot more Twins games that I ever wanted to. That's what happens when all your friends are Twins fans. I have watched Crain quite a bit over his career and he just isn't that good. I would much rather go with someone else, especially if he is trying to close. What a joke.

KW could definitely do worse, but he could definitely do better. And with Crain's supposed demands, no thanks.

Tragg
12-15-2010, 07:39 PM
Crain's pretty awful. 2006, 7, 8 and 9 were all bad.



The Sox need at least two more reliable arms to go with Thornton, Sale, Pena and Santos.



Lip
Sale in middle relief is completely devaluing a first round draft choice....something the Sox have done on more than one occasion, sadly.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 07:42 PM
Crain's pretty awful. 2006, 7, 8 and 9 were all bad.

Huh? What about 2006 and 2008 were bad? He was above average both years.

spawn
12-15-2010, 07:43 PM
Yes please.

Of course, the next time Cowley is right this offseason will be the first.

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 07:44 PM
Crain's pretty awful. 2006, 7, 8 and 9 were all bad.


Sale in middle relief is completely devaluing a first round draft choice....something the Sox have done on more than one occasion, sadly.

Thank you. Someone has actually seen him pitch.

And not only does he want to close, his agent has said he wants a "Benoit-like" contract. Hahahaha..well good for him. I guess that what you do when you have your career season in a contract year.

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 07:48 PM
Huh? What about 2006 and 2008 were bad? He was above average both years.

There was a solid 2-3 year stretch up until mid-season last year that the Twins wouldn't use him in any high pressure situations. He pretty much only pitched when they were up big, or down big. Who does that remind you of? His stats don't tell the true story.

getonbckthr
12-15-2010, 07:55 PM
Gammons tweeting agreement on a 3year deal.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 07:57 PM
pgammo (http://twitter.com/#%21/pgammo) Peter Gammons
White Sox have three year deal with Jesse Crain.
5 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/pgammo/status/15222592562536448)
Bam.

3 years, not sure if want.

soxinem1
12-15-2010, 08:01 PM
Per MLB Trade Rumors.

Wow.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:02 PM
I don't mind Crain. I'm not sure about 3 years though.

soxinem1
12-15-2010, 08:03 PM
I just hope he is not the Canadian version of Linebrink.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 08:03 PM
Per MLB Trade Rumors.

Wow.

I'm calling you out on a pet peeve of mine. MLB Trade Rumors didn't report it. Peter Gammons did. That is like giving me credit for a story because I read Gammons' Tweet. Okay, I'll step off my soap box.

Well, we need the bullpen help. Good signing.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:03 PM
Per MLB Trade Rumors.

Wow.

Per Peter Gammons you mean.
@pgammo (http://twitter.com/#%21/pgammo) Peter Gammons
White Sox have three year deal with Jesse Crain.
9 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/pgammo/status/15222592562536448) via web

BringHomeDaBacon
12-15-2010, 08:03 PM
MLB.com's Peter Gammons reports that the White Sox have reached a 3 year deal with Jesse Crain.

Historically mediocre but extremely solid last year.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:03 PM
I'm calling you out on a pet peeve of mine. MLB Trade Rumors didn't report it. Peter Gammons did. That is like giving me credit for a story because I read Gammons' Tweet. Okay, I'll step off my soap box.

Was typing the same thing. Pet peeve and all.

Noneck
12-15-2010, 08:07 PM
I would think he must have gotten about what Guerrier got. I thought the Sox were busted.

soxinem1
12-15-2010, 08:07 PM
I'm calling you out on a pet peeve of mine. MLB Trade Rumors didn't report it. Peter Gammons did. That is like giving me credit for a story because I read Gammons' Tweet. Okay, I'll step off my soap box.

Well, we need the bullpen help. Good signing.

Was typing the same thing. Pet peeve and all.

Okay, citing Peter Gammons as the source, MLB Trade Rumors has posted that the White Sox have signed Jesse Crain for three years.

Happy?:smile:

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 08:09 PM
MLB.com's Peter Gammons reports that the White Sox have reached a 3 year deal with Jesse Crain.

Historically mediocre but extremely solid last year.

Wow...dumb, dumb, dumb. Meet to the next Scott Linebrink, boys and girls.

BringHomeDaBacon
12-15-2010, 08:10 PM
There appears to be a run on Minnesota middle relievers as the Dodgers signed Guerrier to a 3yr/12mil contract. I hope Crain is making much less because I'd rather have Guerrier.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:10 PM
Wow...dumb, dumb, dumb. Meet to the next Scott Linebrink, boys and girls.

Entirely possible, but I'll wait and see. I'm leery of 3 years, but we still haven't heard the dollar amount yet.

spawn
12-15-2010, 08:10 PM
Wow...dumb, dumb, dumb. Meet to the next Scott Linebrink, boys and girls.
Um, could we let him him pitch first before calling him the next Linebrink? You're the same person saying not to give up on Carlos Quentin, even though he hasn't been the model of consistency or health.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:11 PM
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/934235221/Maria2_normal.jpg
scottmerkin (http://twitter.com/#%21/scottmerkin) Scott Merkin
Williams was looking for Putz type, who could close but also could work in 7th and 8th. Crain fits perfectly
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/scottmerkin/status/15227131021754368)

I would really like to see a closer by committee this year.

Patrick134
12-15-2010, 08:12 PM
Um, could we let him him pitch first before calling him the next Linebrink? You're the same person saying not to give up on Carlos Quentin, even though he hasn't been the model of consistency or health.


Plus the Cliff Politte signing wasn't expected to yield much, and he was very vital to the '05 team.

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 08:13 PM
Um, could we let him him pitch first before calling him the next Linebrink? You're the same person saying not to give up on Carlos Quentin, even though he hasn't been the model of consistency or health.

How does that have anything to do with this?

I have watched Crain pitch probably 100 times more than you. Not saying I am an expert, but the guy isn't any good. But, I guess I have to be a fan now.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-15-2010, 08:13 PM
Wow...dumb, dumb, dumb. Meet to the next Scott Linebrink, boys and girls.

WSI: The Sox need relievers! They can't compete without relievers!

KW: OK, you're right. Here's Jesse Crain.

WSI: CRAIN? He sucks! We're better off with Linebrink! Boo, KW! FIRE KW!!!

This place is a trip sometimes.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:14 PM
WSI: The Sox need relievers! They can't compete without relievers!

KW: OK, you're right. Here's Jesse Crain.

WSI: CRAIN? He sucks! We're better off with Linebrink! Boo, KW! FIRE KW!!!

This place is a trip sometimes.

Eh, it's just one person not in favor of it thus far.

BringHomeDaBacon
12-15-2010, 08:14 PM
Plus the Cliff Politte signing wasn't expected to yield much, and he was very vital to the '05 team.

Why does everything that happens have to somehow relate back to 2005?

Hasn't the statute of limitations for these types of comments expired yet?

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-15-2010, 08:15 PM
Eh, it's just one person not in favor of it thus far.

Give it time.

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 08:15 PM
WSI: The Sox need relievers! They can't compete without relievers!

KW: OK, you're right. Here's Jesse Crain.

WSI: CRAIN? He sucks! We're better off with Linebrink! Boo, KW! FIRE KW!!!

This place is a trip sometimes.

I have never liked Crain. Most people on here don't seem to have an issue with it. Just me. That's fine. I will stick to my opinion. If the deal is for 2-3 million a year, I'd be fine with it. Any more and we grossly overpaid.

And I am actually a big KW fan. Not a fan of this signing, but I can guarantee you you've never read anything I have wrote that have the words "fire" and "KW" in the same sentence. Well, until now.

Ranger
12-15-2010, 08:15 PM
I'm calling you out on a pet peeve of mine. MLB Trade Rumors didn't report it. Peter Gammons did. That is like giving me credit for a story because I read Gammons' Tweet. Okay, I'll step off my soap box.

Well, we need the bullpen help. Good signing.


Cowley tweeted it a while ago before Gammons did.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:16 PM
Cowley tweeted it a while ago before Gammons did.

We are aware and it was in my initial post. I try and refrain from posting Cowley tweets when able. It usually turns into an abundance of "I hate Cowley" replies which adds little to the thread.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 08:17 PM
Cowley tweeted it a while ago before Gammons did.

Sort of. In his dumb Cowley way.

spawn
12-15-2010, 08:17 PM
How does that have anything to do with this?

I have watched Crain pitch probably 100 times more than you. Not saying I am an expert, but the guy isn't any good. But, I guess I have to be a fan now.
Then how can you judge how bad he is if you yourself don't consider yourself an expert?

Patrick134
12-15-2010, 08:18 PM
Why does everything that happens have to somehow relate back to 2005?

Hasn't the statute of limitations for these types of comments expired yet?


Maybe because the goal is winning, and small signings can yield big results.

Ranger
12-15-2010, 08:18 PM
How does that have anything to do with this?

I have watched Crain pitch probably 100 times more than you. Not saying I am an expert, but the guy isn't any good. But, I guess I have to be a fan now.

I think you're wrong on that. For a reliever, he's had one poor season. I think you may be expecting a bit to much from relievers in general. He's been fairly consistent and the Sox need bullpen help. This is nothing to bitch about.

WSI: The Sox need relievers! They can't compete without relievers!

KW: OK, you're right. Here's Jesse Crain.

WSI: CRAIN? He sucks! We're better off with Linebrink! Boo, KW! FIRE KW!!!

This place is a trip sometimes.

Eh, it's just one person not in favor of it thus far.

It's a good singing. They need it.

tstrike2000
12-15-2010, 08:20 PM
I like this move. Crain had a rough year in '09, but otherwise I'm glad we're addressing the bullpen as he can be pretty solid with a good fastball and slider.

Ranger
12-15-2010, 08:21 PM
Sort of. In his dumb Cowley way.

No, not sort of. He said Crain was "cooking", and apparently that was true. Doesn't matter the style in which he mentioned it, he still mentioned it.

Give credit where it's due.

Patrick134
12-15-2010, 08:21 PM
I like this move. Crain had a rough year in '09, but otherwise I'm glad we're addressing the bullpen as he can be pretty solid with a good fastball and slider.


And if you watched the Sox-Twins games last year, it saves Konerko a dozen or so K's.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:21 PM
It's a good singing. They need it.

And I agree. Still want to know how much he's getting though.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-15-2010, 08:22 PM
It's a good singing. They need it.

I agree. We need something, and we make the Twins weaker in the process?

Not a bad move, as long as KW didn't grossly overpay.

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 08:22 PM
Then how can you judge how bad he is if you yourself don't consider yourself an expert?

Since when does one have to be an expert to have an opinion?

I consider myself a pretty avid baseball fan, and if there is any team other than the SOX that I am quite knowledgeable on, it's the Twins.

BringHomeDaBacon
12-15-2010, 08:24 PM
Maybe because the goal is winning, and small signings can yield big results.

A) We don't know if it's a small signing yet.

B) Regardless, it doesn't have jack**** to do with Cliff Politte.

spawn
12-15-2010, 08:24 PM
Since when does one have to be an expert to have an opinion?

I consider myself a pretty avid baseball fan, and if there is any team other than the SOX that I am quite knowledgeable on, it's the Twins.
There's a difference between having an opinion and stating it as a fact.

KRS1
12-15-2010, 08:25 PM
Wow, three years? Well, we are all big arms in the pen, and he definitely brings it. Maybe Coop wanted him?

spawn
12-15-2010, 08:25 PM
This thread is a trip. Seriously. Only WSI.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:27 PM
I have never liked Crain. Most people on here don't seem to have an issue with it. Just me. That's fine. I will stick to my opinion. If the deal is for 2-3 million a year, I'd be fine with it. Any more and we grossly overpaid.

Ballantini agrees with you.
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1168636600/IMAG0018crop_normal.JPG
CSNChi_Beatnik (http://twitter.com/#%21/CSNChi_Beatnik) Brett Ballantini
Crain signing has potential to blow up on #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox), pending $. Any more than $3 million per and it could be Lino all over again.
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/CSNChi_Beatnik/status/15230804456116225)
/stokes the flames

Patrick134
12-15-2010, 08:27 PM
A) We don't know if it's a small signing yet.

B) Regardless, it doesn't have jack**** to do with Cliff Politte.


Right because he and Politte play such wildly different positions. And comparing players to one another is never used by teams, or fans, to judge moves.

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 08:27 PM
There's a difference between having an opinion and stating it as a fact.

Okay, I will be sure to add an "I think" before every comment that isn't sourced from now. Good grief.

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 08:28 PM
Ballantini agrees with you.


/Stokes the flames

There's my source Spawn. :dtroll:

WhiteSox5187
12-15-2010, 08:28 PM
Well, I am sure I have seen him pitch if he pitched against us, I just can't recall what he was like. His numbers look okay though, I certainly don't think he can hurt.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 08:29 PM
Ballantini agrees with you.

It also has the potential to be the greatest deal in the history of the world as he sets the record in saves for three years in a row and throws 9 shut out innings in the playoffs for the next year.

How about we see what happens.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:30 PM
It also has the potential to be the greatest deal in the history of the world as he sets the record in saves for three years in a row and throws 9 shut out innings in the playoffs for the next year.

How about we see what happens.

Indeed. I don't mind him and defended him in the initial rumor thread. This thread would be awfully boring if everyone loved the signing though.:bandance:

Rockabilly
12-15-2010, 08:30 PM
Crain > Benoit

Lets sign Wood & Jones and trade Q for a young OF and lefty in the pen and this team will be set..

PalehosePlanet
12-15-2010, 08:32 PM
There's my source Spawn. :dtroll:

Looks like you'll be to Jesse Crain what Khan is to Edwin Jackson.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:33 PM
Crain > Benoit

Lets sign Wood & Jones and trade Q for a young OF and lefty in the pen and this team will be set..

I'd be fine with just a Wood signing.

spawn
12-15-2010, 08:34 PM
There's my source Spawn. :dtroll:
I'm impressed. :rolleyes:

SoxSpeed22
12-15-2010, 08:35 PM
He couldn't stay healthy for 2008 and 2009. With pitchers, all it takes is one minor injury. Decent signing, we'll have to see how this works.

spawn
12-15-2010, 08:36 PM
It also has the potential to be the greatest deal in the history of the world as he sets the record in saves for three years in a row and throws 9 shut out innings in the playoffs for the next year.

How about we see what happens.
Sounds good to me. :thumbsup:

DumpJerry
12-15-2010, 08:37 PM
This is truly one of the most hilarious threads I've read on here in a long time. Well, maybe two or three days.

My favorite part? Someone gives a **** where the credit is to be given for who "broke" the story of the signing. Unless you're Peter Gammons or someone else who actually broke the story, why do you care who broke the story? That's my pet peeve.:tongue:

PalehosePlanet
12-15-2010, 08:37 PM
Well, I am sure I have seen him pitch if he pitched against us, I just can't recall what he was like. His numbers look okay though, I certainly don't think he can hurt.

He's been a thorn in our side for years, even in his ****ty '09 we couldn't hit him.

I didn't expect this signing, I thought we'd be looking for reclamation projects. I like the signing.

I guess KW's "All in" talk is true. Wow.

spawn
12-15-2010, 08:38 PM
This is truly one of the most hilarious threads I've read on here in a long time. Well, maybe two or three days.

My favorite part? Someone gives a **** where the credit is to be given for who "broke" the story of the signing. Unless you're Peter Gammons or someone else who actually broke the story, why do you care who broke the story? That's my pet peeve.:tongue:
Word. :rolling:

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 08:40 PM
This is truly one of the most hilarious threads I've read on here in a long time. Well, maybe two or three days.

My favorite part? Someone gives a **** where the credit is to be given for who "broke" the story of the signing. Unless you're Peter Gammons or someone else who actually broke the story, why do you care who broke the story? That's my pet peeve.:tongue:

Because saying MLBtraderumors is the source of any story is, in fact, wrong...?

But you are right. Who cares about being right.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:40 PM
This is truly one of the most hilarious threads I've read on here in a long time. Well, maybe two or three days.

My favorite part? Someone gives a **** where the credit is to be given for who "broke" the story of the signing. Unless you're Peter Gammons or someone else who actually broke the story, why do you care who broke the story? That's my pet peeve.:tongue:

Ranger feels that Cowley is unfairly hated is what I gather from another Sox site. (I assume you aren't referring to the pet peeve that people think MLBTR is a source.)

DumpJerry
12-15-2010, 08:44 PM
Ranger feels that Cowley is unfairly hated is what I gather from another Sox site. (I assume you aren't referring to the pet peeve that people think MLBTR is a source.)
I'm referring to the "pet peeve" expressed earlier in this piece of comedy. Why would someone care where the credit for "breaking" a story lies? It's the story that matters, not how we learned of it.

Jerko
12-15-2010, 08:44 PM
Juan Rincon?

Or JC Romero. (didn't read the whole thread)

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 08:45 PM
I'm referring to the "pet peeve" expressed earlier in this piece of comedy. Why would someone care where the credit for "breaking" a story lies? It's the story that matters, not how we learned of it.

Oh, it's a pet peeve of mine. Get over it.

soxnut1018
12-15-2010, 08:46 PM
I hate the signing because he could be bad! :angry:

I love the signing because he could be good! :bandance:
:welcome:

Noneck
12-15-2010, 08:48 PM
I am really curious to see what he got compared to what Putz got. Furthermore I am also curious what Jenks is asking for.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:48 PM
I'm referring to the "pet peeve" expressed earlier in this piece of comedy. Why would someone care where the credit for "breaking" a story lies? It's the story that matters, not how we learned of it.

Because claiming a content aggregate website is a source when it isn't is wrong, and it contributes to the validity of the rumor? I like to actually know who is reporting something. For all we know it could be referencing Joe Cowley, Dave Kaplan, or Phil Rogers. People who are much less credible then a possible Peter Gammons, Ken Rosenthal, or Jerry Crasnick.

Daver
12-15-2010, 08:49 PM
Next offseason there will be discussions on how overpaid he is.

KMcMahon817
12-15-2010, 08:49 PM
Looks like you'll be to Jesse Crain what Khan is to Edwin Jackson.

Nah. He's on the SOX now. I would never have the energy to openly dislike a player that much.

I didn't like the signing before it happened, but I am interested to see what the figures are and if the Wood rumor goes anywhere. If Crain is pitching in the 6th and 7th inning, you can do worse. If Crain is consistently pitching in the 8th and 9th inning, I don't think were going to enjoy his time there.

Bullpen pitching is hit and miss. Let's hope Crain can somehow string together quite a few good ones.

DumpJerry
12-15-2010, 08:51 PM
Furthermore I am also curious what Jenks is asking for.
A chance to play.:tongue:

spawn
12-15-2010, 08:51 PM
Next offseason there will be discussions on how overpaid he is.
I think it will happen way before that.

PalehosePlanet
12-15-2010, 08:51 PM
Next offseason there will be discussions on how overpaid he is.

Next offseason? Try within the next two hours.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:52 PM
A chance to play.:tongue:

He's close to signing with Tampa.

kittle42
12-15-2010, 08:52 PM
Can we just agree the bullpen is better than it was this morning? Jesus, people.

In addition............

CRAIN KICK, Daniel san!

pearso66
12-15-2010, 08:53 PM
Next offseason there will be discussions on how overpaid he is.

Why wait until then? It might be tomorrow that there sill be discussions on how overpaid he is.

Rockabilly
12-15-2010, 08:54 PM
We didn't have to trade anyone to get him, so it is a great signing..

Frater Perdurabo
12-15-2010, 08:56 PM
Can we just agree the bullpen is better than it was this morning? Jesus, people.

In addition............

CRAIN KICK, Daniel san!

The Sox could have signed Mariano Rivera and at least one poster would claim they overpaid for an over-the-hill reliever whose best years and behind him and won't pitch well at the Cell. They could have signed Matt Guerrier, and at least one poster would complain that he sucked during his time with the Sox. And they could have signed Bobby Jenks for the MLB veteran minimum, and at least one poster would complain about his weight.

trilobite_hives
12-15-2010, 08:58 PM
Why wait until then? It might be tomorrow that there sill be discussions on how overpaid he is.

Why wait until tomorrow, when we can discuss how overpaid he is before we even know what he's making!

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 08:59 PM
Why wait until tomorrow, when we can discuss how overpaid he is before we even know what he's making!

He's already on my list for the contingency plan thread.

tstrike2000
12-15-2010, 09:01 PM
CRAIN KICK, Daniel san!

If do right, no can defense!

asindc
12-15-2010, 09:04 PM
Why does everything that happens have to somehow relate back to 2005?

Hasn't the statute of limitations for these types of comments expired yet?

Yes, the SoL expired at the end of the 2010 season. I say every team gets a 5-year grace period after a championship. That said, I stated in another thread only half-jokingly that the Sox should sign either Guerrier or/and Crain if for no other reason that they can explain how they had our hitters so mystified last year. Depending on the salary, Crain might be worth it for that reason alone.

tstrike2000
12-15-2010, 09:04 PM
I don't exactly know who else is on the market, but I was really hoping that KW would get either Guerrier or Crain. Guerrier to LA and Crain...check!

trilobite_hives
12-15-2010, 09:08 PM
He's already on my list for the contingency plan thread.

Kenny better act fast if he thinks he's going to get anything of value for Crain. I mean, you don't even KNOW what you're going to get from him. He's just more dead wood on this hopeless 2011 squad.

kittle42
12-15-2010, 09:08 PM
Next offseason there will be discussions on how overpaid he is.

Again, I agree with you, Daver. I think we have about a 50/50 record on that.

There is a contingent of fans here and in general who seem to take more happiness in "fiscal responsibility" at all costs than they do in constructing a team to win. The Sox themselves seemed to take this position themselves for years, so maybe these fans just figured the best way to be a fan was to support the budget. I'll never understand it. Look at the Dunn threads - some of the stuff said there was just laughable.

GoGoCrede
12-15-2010, 09:09 PM
Damn, this is what I get for mostly reading the Parking Lot in the offseason - I missed this breaking news. This should be good. My Twins friend is pissed.

JermaineDye05
12-15-2010, 09:10 PM
Crain > Benoit

Lets sign Wood & Jones and trade Q for a young OF and lefty in the pen and this team will be set..

More importantly, Crain > Linebrink.

We'll have to see if it'll be Crain > JJ. That's tough though as JJ was lights out the first 3/4 of the year.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 09:11 PM
I hadn't realized how bad he shut us down:

Jesse Crain's career against the White Sox: 5-2. 1.45 ERA in 49.2 innings

mcsoxfan
12-15-2010, 09:11 PM
I'd have no issues with signing him...as long as it's the start of rebuilding the bullpen.

The Sox need at least two more reliable arms to go with Thornton, Sale, Pena and Santos.

Actually three would make me happier but that's going to depend on what they cost, who might still be available and how panicky either the Sox or the players themselves are if the calendar rolls to February.

Lip

Since Kenny is so enamored with Kansas City ballplayers, he ought to see what he can do to get Soria here.

mcsoxfan
12-15-2010, 09:13 PM
I hadn't realized how bad he shut us down:

Jesse Crain's career against the White Sox: 5-2. 1.45 ERA in 49.2 innings

Well now he pitching for us.
How good was he against everyone else?

JermaineDye05
12-15-2010, 09:13 PM
Chalk up another loss for the Twinkies too.

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 09:15 PM
Well now he pitching for us.
How good was he against everyone else?

Last year, very good. 2009, not so much. The rest of his career is rather decent.

tstrike2000
12-15-2010, 09:15 PM
Since Kenny is so enamored with Kansas City ballplayers, he ought to see what he can do to get Soria here.

It would be a king's ransom for Joakim Soria compared to the level of garbage KW's traded back and forth with them up to this point.

ChiSoxGirl
12-15-2010, 09:15 PM
I hadn't realized how bad he shut us down:

Jesse Crain's career against the White Sox: 5-2. 1.45 ERA in 49.2 innings

Don't forget his endless strikeouts of Konerko; the dude owned Paulie!!! It's about damn time the Twins lost a piece of their bullpen. I just hope it's a piece that ends up being valuable for us....

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 09:16 PM
Don't forget his endless strikeouts of Konerko!

You have a better memory than I:

Crain vs. Konerko .111 with 10K's in 18 at-bats

slavko
12-15-2010, 09:17 PM
And if you watched the Sox-Twins games last year, it saves Konerko a dozen or so K's.

He's been a thorn in our side for years, even in his ****ty '09 we couldn't hit him.

I hadn't realized how bad he shut us down:

Jesse Crain's career against the White Sox: 5-2. 1.45 ERA in 49.2 innings

That's what I remember. He killed us, esp last year. I admit to not following him otherwise.

asindc
12-15-2010, 09:20 PM
More importantly, Crain > Linebrink.

We'll have to see if it'll be Crain > JJ. That's tough though as JJ was lights out the first 3/4 of the year.

That alone should make this a cause for more optimism.

Brian26
12-15-2010, 09:20 PM
Why does everything that happens have to somehow relate back to 2005?

Hasn't the statute of limitations for these types of comments expired yet?

Politte happens to be a good example which occurred somewhat recently. We still have people walking around this town talking about the '85 Bears like the team won the SuperBowl yesterday. It's Chicago. Chill out.

Rockabilly
12-15-2010, 09:23 PM
Holy ****!! Mr. Rogers gives the Sox props for this signing.

LoveYourSuit
12-15-2010, 09:27 PM
Great pick up by the Sox. Good power arm.

nug0hs
12-15-2010, 09:29 PM
More 2010 numbers for you:



Batters went 0 for 12 against him @ USCF last season.



AL Central batters had a .202 batting average against him (27 hits in 132 AB)



He threw 111 AB w/runners on which resulted in 22 hits allowed for a .198 average



w/RISP he gave up 14 hits on 67 AB for a .209 avg

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 09:33 PM
More 2010 numbers for you:



Batters went 0 for 12 against him @ USCF last season.



AL Central batters had a .202 batting average against him (27 hits in 132 AB)



He threw 111 AB w/runners on which resulted in 22 hits allowed for a .198 average



w/RISP he gave up 14 hits on 67 AB for a .209 avg



His 2010 splits ain't bad either:

Vs. RHP: .228/.304/.331

Vs. LHP: .196/.281/.333

DirtySox
12-15-2010, 09:43 PM
Supposedly the deal is worth $13 million over three years. Still unconfirmed though.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/2979/source-white-sox-to-sign-reliever-crain

Mingo
12-15-2010, 09:49 PM
I read something where last year Jessie Crain started using his slider to set up his fast ball - his previous experience it was the fast ball setting up the slider.

Coop will keep him fixed.

CubsfansareDRUNK
12-15-2010, 09:49 PM
I was actually excited when I read this. Love the signing. :bandance:

EDIT: Additionally...if the Sox got Wood...I'd be so happy.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-15-2010, 09:49 PM
Supposedly the deal is worth $13 million over three years. Still unconfirmed though.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/2979/source-white-sox-to-sign-reliever-crain

Approximately $4.3M a year...ehhh....not too ecstatic about that amount, but the market for relievers is pretty crazy this year.

sullythered
12-15-2010, 09:50 PM
Approximately $4.3M a year...ehhh....not too ecstatic about that amount, but the market for relievers is pretty crazy this year.

Yeah, I like the pickup, but that's a little steep.

BringHomeDaBacon
12-15-2010, 09:57 PM
Again, I agree with you, Daver. I think we have about a 50/50 record on that.

There is a contingent of fans here and in general who seem to take more happiness in "fiscal responsibility" at all costs than they do in constructing a team to win. The Sox themselves seemed to take this position themselves for years, so maybe these fans just figured the best way to be a fan was to support the budget. I'll never understand it. Look at the Dunn threads - some of the stuff said there was just laughable.

And some fans are too simple to understand that when operating on a budget, dollars spent on player A are no longer available to be spent on players B,C or D.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 10:01 PM
And some fans are too simple to understand that when operating on a budget, dollars spent on player A are no longer available to be spent on players B,C or D.

Tell me the Sox budget. Right now. Go.

gr8mexico
12-15-2010, 10:03 PM
Where did Kenny get the money?:tongue:
It looks like Kenny is building a real nice solid team and it looks like the Sox have money to spend but just not on a big name player.

CHISOXFAN13
12-15-2010, 10:04 PM
Tell me the Sox budget. Right now. Go.

Thank you. Those bitching about money really have no clue. It's pretty obvious the Sox have had no problem spending money right now. This move strengthens the weakness of the team while hurting the reigning champions of the division even more.

I guess some people will bitch about anything.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 10:05 PM
Where did Kenny get the money?:tongue:
It looks like Kenny is building a real nice solid team and it looks like the Sox have money to spend but just not on a big name player.



Adam Dunn? Konerko?

delben91
12-15-2010, 10:06 PM
For what it's worth, Tribune says Gammons is reporting "up to $12M" (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1216-white-sox-chicago--20101215,0,3225981.story) which I read as maybe less...

gr8mexico
12-15-2010, 10:08 PM
Adam Dunn? Konerko?
I'm talking about what Kenny said about the budget being tight after the signings.
Everybody hear talks about the "BUDGET".
I think all that stuff is made up.
The Sox have money and will spend it IF it improves the ball club

Lyle Mouton
12-15-2010, 10:08 PM
Thank you. Someone has actually seen him pitch.

And not only does he want to close, his agent has said he wants a "Benoit-like" contract. Hahahaha..well good for him. I guess that what you do when you have your career season in a contract year.
Save the high horse for situations that warrant it, fella.

Career line against in "late and close" situations: .244/.313/.365.

aryzner
12-15-2010, 10:10 PM
I was actually excited when I read this. Love the signing. :bandance:

EDIT: Additionally...if the Sox got Wood...I'd be so happy.
Would it be horribly inappropriate to say "if the Sox got Wood, I'd get wood?"

guillensdisciple
12-15-2010, 10:11 PM
Looks like you'll be to Jesse Crain what Khan is to Edwin Jackson.

Why wait until tomorrow, when we can discuss how overpaid he is before we even know what he's making!


This cracked me up so hard hahahahaahaha.

And love it. I have been saying how I hope the Sox sign both Guerrier and Crain but can't complain about getting one. It will be sweet seeing him shut down those guys next year.

Lip Man 1
12-15-2010, 10:15 PM
Tribune is saying deal is three years, 12 million (Van Dyke is the source). Says Kenny wants one more arm for the pen and they have offered Wood a two year deal.

Story said "Wood does not want to play on the South Side."

Van Dyke writes that Sale is expected to remain in the bullpen (Garcia signing next???) and that if Wood refuses Sox offer (likely) Kenny wants another left hander in the pen.

Lip

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-15-2010, 10:16 PM
Would it be horribly inappropriate to say "if the Sox got Wood, I'd get wood?"

This is a fanbase that once said "Konerko still gives me a Bonerko" so while slightly less colorful than that remark, you'd be in the clear.

I like the signing, but I just get this haunting feeling that he'll do awesome, and then he'll pitch against the Twins, give up two bloop hits, and then Alexi Casilla will steal home on a wild pitch to win the game for the Twins. From there, he'll never be the same.

**** the Twins. **** them in their stupid asses.

palehosepub
12-15-2010, 10:17 PM
Nice signing, good power right handed arm to complement Santos and another hit to the Twinkees. I love the agressive nature of the Sox managment this offseason, I didnt expect a signing like this - figured it would be a trade or maybe a signing if we could get rid of the Teahan contract.
Everyone's entiteld to an opinion, but i am surprised at the negative comments and concerns about the budget. I think there is a new approach in 2011 on the South Side and I am enjoying it ! I cant wait until April.

Thome25
12-15-2010, 10:18 PM
3 years 12 million? So much for being tapped out.:D:

delben91
12-15-2010, 10:19 PM
This is a fanbase that once said "Konerko still gives me a Bonerko" so while slightly less colorful than that remark, you'd be in the clear.

I like the signing, but I just get this haunting feeling that he'll do awesome, and then he'll pitch against the Twins, give up two bloop hits, and then Alexi Casilla will steal home on a wild pitch to win the game for the Twins. From there, he'll never be the same.

**** the Twins. **** them in their stupid asses.

Give Sox fans credit. When they're pessimistic, at least they're creatively pessimistic. :D:

Dub25
12-15-2010, 10:20 PM
Tribune is saying deal is three years, 12 million (Van Dyke is the source). Says Kenny wants one more arm for the pen and they have offered Wood a two year deal.

Story said "Wood does not want to play on the South Side."

Van Dyke writes that Sale is expected to remain in the bullpen (Garcia signing next???) and that if Wood refuses Sox offer (likely) Kenny wants another left hander in the pen.

Lip

Makes sense, he likes to play for a loser in this city.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-15-2010, 10:21 PM
Tribune is saying deal is three years, 12 million (Van Dyke is the source). Says Kenny wants one more arm for the pen and they have offered Wood a two year deal.

Story said "Wood does not want to play on the South Side."

Van Dyke writes that Sale is expected to remain in the bullpen (Garcia signing next???) and that if Wood refuses Sox offer (likely) Kenny wants another left hander in the pen.

Lip

I guarantee you Wood would play here if it was the best offer. That's just Cubbie Conjecture because they don't want their warm and fuzzy memories of Wood tarnished by playing for the White Sox.

Dub25
12-15-2010, 10:22 PM
I read most of these posts. They kind of crack me up. We are debating over a middle reliever. MR is a crapshoot. Crain was bad in 2009 but wasnt that bad last year. MR's are where they are for a reason. I guess I rather take my chances with a vet than a kid. Remember the 2007 "lights out, gas" pen???

Dub25
12-15-2010, 10:50 PM
I like this signing more now. A MR with 2 questionable years??? Really? Nice stats for a non closer and non setup man.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/crainje01.shtml

doublem23
12-15-2010, 10:56 PM
Tribune is saying deal is three years, 12 million (Van Dyke is the source). Says Kenny wants one more arm for the pen and they have offered Wood a two year deal.

Story said "Wood does not want to play on the South Side."

Van Dyke writes that Sale is expected to remain in the bullpen (Garcia signing next???) and that if Wood refuses Sox offer (likely) Kenny wants another left hander in the pen.

Lip

Haven't you guys learned your lesson yet with these traditional sports departments? How many of these eggheads published crap about Adam Dunn not wanting to be a DH?

Zisk77
12-15-2010, 10:58 PM
Well one thing is for sure, he's got the best pickoff move in our pen.

kittle42
12-15-2010, 10:59 PM
And some fans are too simple to understand that when operating on a budget, dollars spent on player A are no longer available to be spent on players B,C or D.

A budget that strangely seems to keep going up...but nice try.

Tragg
12-15-2010, 11:14 PM
I've never seen him pitch really, but his WHIPs from 06-09 were awful.
He was good last year.
3 years seems a little steep for Jesse Crain.

Domeshot17
12-15-2010, 11:19 PM
I like the guy for middle relief but the price is a little high. That said, I hate the closer by committee idea. It doesn't work. Especially with Ozzie, the guy needs a bullpen where everyone has a defined role. I can't think of the last team who won a word series or even made a really strong playoff run without a legit full time Closer.

I still have this completely terrible fear Sale will be the closer and do very well. The guy's value long term is a front line starter, and if he closes, I fear he may pull a Paplebon and never return to starting.

soltrain21
12-15-2010, 11:24 PM
I like the guy for middle relief but the price is a little high. That said, I hate the closer by committee idea. It doesn't work. Especially with Ozzie, the guy needs a bullpen where everyone has a defined role. I can't think of the last team who won a word series or even made a really strong playoff run without a legit full time Closer.

I still have this completely terrible fear Sale will be the closer and do very well. The guy's value long term is a front line starter, and if he closes, I fear he may pull a Paplebon and never return to starting.

And, what would be really wrong with that? What if he does turn into a lights out closer? Gosh, that would just be terrible for us.

Based on how most first round picks USUALLY turn out (for all teams, not just us) - I'd gladly take a lights out closer.

doublem23
12-15-2010, 11:26 PM
I like the guy for middle relief but the price is a little high. That said, I hate the closer by committee idea. It doesn't work. Especially with Ozzie, the guy needs a bullpen where everyone has a defined role. I can't think of the last team who won a word series or even made a really strong playoff run without a legit full time Closer.

I still have this completely terrible fear Sale will be the closer and do very well. The guy's value long term is a front line starter, and if he closes, I fear he may pull a Paplebon and never return to starting.

As long as he's a productive member of the team he has value, regardless of where he was drafted. There have been plenty of starters who have been converted from relief pitchers, it's not exactly uncharted waters. And if Sale turns into Papelbon 2.0, well, I could live with that (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/papeljo01.shtml#2006-2009-sum:pitching_simple).

The only thing to be afraid of is if the Sox stuck him in the bullpen and he sucked.

thomas35forever
12-15-2010, 11:26 PM
I love this signing. Not only does he give us another option for right-handed setup work, but we took him away from the Twinkies' pen the same day they lost Guerrier.:bandance:

CHISOXFAN13
12-15-2010, 11:30 PM
I've never seen him pitch really, but his WHIPs from 06-09 were awful.
He was good last year.
3 years seems a little steep for Jesse Crain.

A 1.265 WHIP is hardly awful. I know it helps enhance your argument, but that's a reach.

Lip Man 1
12-15-2010, 11:48 PM
Double:

Tribune now saying Wood is signing with the Cubs. Looks like the "eggheads" were correct this time. We'll see.

Lip

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-15-2010, 11:52 PM
Double:

Tribune now saying Wood is signing with the Cubs. Looks like the "eggheads" were correct this time. We'll see.

Lip

The Cubs need SOMETHING to draw the fans to see that ****hole of a baseball team.

WhiteSox5187
12-15-2010, 11:53 PM
Double:

Tribune now saying Wood is signing with the Cubs. Looks like the "eggheads" were correct this time. We'll see.

Lip

Now is this the Tribune or Dave Kaplan?

RCWHITESOX
12-15-2010, 11:56 PM
I love this signing. Not only does he give us another option for right-handed setup work, but we took him away from the Twinkies' pen the same day they lost Guerrier.:bandance:

I'm with you. We just need a couple more step up guys and decide who the closer is going to be. How about a flier on S Sheilds and B Fuentes.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-15-2010, 11:57 PM
Now is this the Tribune or Dave Kaplan?

It's on the Tribune, and its Fred Mitchell and David Kaplan reporting.

Let them have Wood. That "formidable" back of the bullpen will have probably about 15-20 save opportunities the whole season because they have no starters and no offense.

CubsfansareDRUNK
12-15-2010, 11:58 PM
Now is this the Tribune or Dave Kaplan?

I'm pretty sure it's just Kaplan.

WhiteSox5187
12-16-2010, 12:05 AM
It's on the Tribune, and its Fred Mitchell and David Kaplan reporting.

Let them have Wood. That "formidable" back of the bullpen will have probably about 15-20 save opportunities the whole season because they have no starters and no offense.

Maybe it's just me, but their "formidable" back of the bullpen does not seem that "formidable" to me.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-16-2010, 12:20 AM
Maybe it's just me, but their "formidable" back of the bullpen does not seem that "formidable" to me.

Marmol is the only one in that bullpen who would scare me if we faced him...and before his lights-out year last year, he was pretty inconsistent.

We've knocked Wood around pretty well in Cleveland. And well...I don't even know what other relievers they have...didn't they have pretty much AAA filler comprising 3/4ths of the pen?

doublem23
12-16-2010, 12:26 AM
Double:

Tribune now saying Wood is signing with the Cubs. Looks like the "eggheads" were correct this time. We'll see.

Lip

I guess when your job is to report facts, having a 50% accuracy rate's not that bad?

Foulke You
12-16-2010, 01:02 AM
Let them have Wood. That "formidable" back of the bullpen will have probably about 15-20 save opportunities the whole season because they have no starters and no offense.
Agree 100%. I don't get the infatuation with Wood coming here. As I said in another thread, he had one good HALF of a season during the length of his three year contract in the AL. The numbers he put up in a Tribe uniform were awful and he was hurt several times too. (Shocking, I know) Wood just wouldn't have been worth the asking price. I'm sure he wanted to go back to the NL and especially to the Cubs where he is worshiped as a God amongst pitchers because he put together a couple good seasons almost 10 years ago and had a 20K game in his rookie year for them. Why wouldn't you worship him with a career like that?

I'm much happier with Crain who has a track record of getting AL Central batters out and isn't hurt for 50% of the duration of his contract. All bullpen contracts are a gamble and this one is no different. I like Kenny's aggressiveness this offseason. If he signs Freddy and one more bullpen arm, I will give him an A++

Foulke You
12-16-2010, 01:04 AM
On a different note, Jesse Crain has his own website. Who knew? Looks like the colors of his site are going to get a black and silver overhaul soon! :cool:

http://jessecrain.net/

ClutchHarold#3
12-16-2010, 01:51 AM
Well, he shares the same birthday with me and his son has the same name as my nephew - he's now my favorite Sox player! Er... maybe just Sox reliever!:tongue:

Falstaff
12-16-2010, 01:52 AM
I like this deal. For I don't know how long the name Jesse Crain was synonymous with "end of game". The man knows how to pitch and he knows the league and mebbe even knows something about the Twins that can give us edge. But now you are looking more at "Jamie Moyer in the making" (hopefully). He is getting old, but so is everyone else. I would like to see one more "live" arm for Coop to work with, to balance out acquisiton. Too bad Contreras is tied up now that he has adjusted to bullpen life and has had success.

CWSpalehoseCWS
12-16-2010, 02:00 AM
Another good move by Kenny. I hate seeing money spent like that on relievers, but the Sox desperatly need something added to the pen. Thornton, Santos, and Crain is gonna be nice. Throw Sale in there and the pen looks to be taking shape.

soxinem1
12-16-2010, 06:17 AM
I would really like to see a closer by committee this year.


Who let Theo Epstein in this forum?:smile:

Besides, I don't believe the White Sox dumped all this $$$$ out to play roll the dice with slamming the door in the ninth inning.

I like this deal. For I don't know how long the name Jesse Crain was synonymous with "end of game". The man knows how to pitch and he knows the league and mebbe even knows something about the Twins that can give us edge. But now you are looking more at "Jamie Moyer in the making" (hopefully). He is getting old, but so is everyone else. I would like to see one more "live" arm for Coop to work with, to balance out acquisiton. Too bad Contreras is tied up now that he has adjusted to bullpen life and has had success.

Crain is 29 years old.

Moyer is 47 and Contreras is 57.

How is 29 old, even in baseball life?

dickallen15
12-16-2010, 06:30 AM
Jesse Crain is Scott Linebrink II.

russ99
12-16-2010, 07:30 AM
Jesse Crain is Scott Linebrink II.

Let the man pitch for us before deeming him worthless...

I don't especially like the contract either, but FA is our only option to boost the pen.

tstrike2000
12-16-2010, 07:35 AM
The Cubs need SOMETHING to draw the fans to see that ****hole of a baseball team.

And a workhorse to log innings for simulated games.

veeter
12-16-2010, 07:45 AM
Jesse Crain is Scott Linebrink II.I hope not. How about Politte or Hermanson.

The Immigrant
12-16-2010, 07:50 AM
Love the signing, even if I'm leery about the 3rd year. The guy has pitched well in the AL and benefits us even more by subtracting from the Twins.

SCCWS
12-16-2010, 07:51 AM
According to Boston papers, Theo Epstein said they wanted Crane but Red Sox do not give 3yr contracts to set-up guys. They also wanted Jenks but he is headed to Tampa.

hawkjt
12-16-2010, 08:28 AM
Crain kills the Sox. He has nasty stuff. Sox gave up nothing but money for him. I am pleased.

I know some Twins fans think he stinks,but I think that is very typical of relievers...at some point,they give up some runs,and that always sticks with fans. Fans never think a reliever should ever give up runs,period. They inevitably do give up runs,and if a guy is there for a few years,it all adds up in the fans minds to make him a bum.
It happened to Bobby Jenks,to Dotel,to most any reliever other than Mariano in NY.
Relievers are always a gamble,year to year, but I like this pickup,on paper,right now, until he gives up his first runs,then the fan meter will start running. I do not trust Matt Thornton either,tho.

DumpJerry
12-16-2010, 09:04 AM
Text message I got from one of my Minneapolis friends this morning who is a huge Twins fan and is very knowledgeable about baseball:

"I hate losing Crain especially to the SOX!"

That's all I needed to hear.:D:

SouthSideLove
12-16-2010, 09:11 AM
Who is this jabrone?

soltrain21
12-16-2010, 09:15 AM
Who is this jabrone?

You must not watch the Sox play the Twins...

soltrain21
12-16-2010, 09:15 AM
According to Boston papers, Theo Epstein said they wanted Crane but Red Sox do not give 3yr contracts to set-up guys. They also wanted Jenks but he is headed to Tampa.

Yeah, they just give stupid contracts to every other player.

Bobby Jenks
12-16-2010, 09:17 AM
I work with some huge Twins fans and this is what they are saying. If you get the 2010 version, you are getting a great deal. If it is Crain from any other year, you'll get the most inconsistant pitcher ever seen. Has problems throwing strikes at times and gets rattled easily. Has a nice curve and a cutter that can be downright nasty. I think he touched 94-95 when i went to Target field.

Domeshot17
12-16-2010, 09:20 AM
As long as he's a productive member of the team he has value, regardless of where he was drafted. There have been plenty of starters who have been converted from relief pitchers, it's not exactly uncharted waters. And if Sale turns into Papelbon 2.0, well, I could live with that (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/papeljo01.shtml#2006-2009-sum:pitching_simple).

The only thing to be afraid of is if the Sox stuck him in the bullpen and he sucked.

I still disagree, you don't take a kid with this kind of potential and have him close this early. Look at Neftali Feliz, the kid was the # 1 prospect in baseball, big time starter potential, the Rangers used him as a stop gap closer, and now it looks like he is there to stay.

What if the Giants had done that with Lincecum, or the Rays kept Price closing? This is the potential Sale has, front line, big time SP. I think its vital we don't kill that.

FarmerAndy
12-16-2010, 09:29 AM
As of right now, this makes the Sox bullpen better on paper.


Without discussing Crain, though, I generally don't agree with giving relievers long-term contracts. More than any other position, relief pitchers are so hit-or-miss from one season to the next. You really never know what you are going to get from a guy in any given year.

I'd rather over-pay a reliever for a single season than give him 3 or 4 years. The Putz signing last year was brilliant in my mind. $5 million was quite a bit for a guy trying to bounce back. But even if he didn't pan out, they weren't stuck with a bad contract beyond that one season.

All that being said, it's not my money. I hope Crain does well here.

guillensdisciple
12-16-2010, 09:41 AM
Since this is what I usually do anyway, I'll start early by saying the Sox win the world series 2011.

I'll continue saying it too lol.

Tragg
12-16-2010, 09:44 AM
This is the potential Sale has, front line, big time SP. I think its vital we don't kill that.
Agree 100%.
Not EVERYTHING has to be geared to 2011.

Shorty1983
12-16-2010, 09:50 AM
Once again KW overpays for a mediocre reliever. Sox still need another arm to solidify the pen.

kittle42
12-16-2010, 09:50 AM
Agree 100%.
Not EVERYTHING has to be geared to 2011.

But they're ALL-IN!

kittle42
12-16-2010, 09:51 AM
Once again KW overpays for a mediocre reliever. Sox still need another arm to solidify the pen.

Go on the list of available relievers and find one who hasn't been "mediocre" or worse at some point.

Come ON, people. Embarrassing yourselves.

BringHomeDaBacon
12-16-2010, 09:53 AM
Although I'd probably rather have Putz at 2/10, Carrasco at 2/2.5 or Koji at 1/3, this acquisition looks better after perusing the list of all the available firestarters out there.

asindc
12-16-2010, 09:54 AM
Once again KW overpays for a mediocre reliever. Sox still need another arm to solidify the pen.

As opposed to what team?

Go on the list of available relievers and find one who hasn't been "mediocre" or worse at some point.

Come ON, people. Embarrassing yourselves.

This. And it should go without saying, but apparently not.

Harry Chappas
12-16-2010, 09:59 AM
I still disagree, you don't take a kid with this kind of potential and have him close this early. Look at Neftali Feliz, the kid was the # 1 prospect in baseball, big time starter potential, the Rangers used him as a stop gap closer, and now it looks like he is there to stay.

What if the Giants had done that with Lincecum, or the Rays kept Price closing? This is the potential Sale has, front line, big time SP. I think its vital we don't kill that.

I'm not sure what show I was listening to, but they were talking to Bill Melton about Chris Sale. Melton thought Sale should stay in the pen. He worried about how he would hold up as a starter because of his rather violent throwing motion. I've had the same thought watching him pitch.

If Sale is a lights-out closer, I have no problem with him staying in the pen. The trouble is, we have a hole to fill in the starting rotation.

ZombieRob
12-16-2010, 10:01 AM
I still disagree, you don't take a kid with this kind of potential and have him close this early. Look at Neftali Feliz, the kid was the # 1 prospect in baseball, big time starter potential, the Rangers used him as a stop gap closer, and now it looks like he is there to stay.

What if the Giants had done that with Lincecum, or the Rays kept Price closing? This is the potential Sale has, front line, big time SP. I think its vital we don't kill that.
I see your point. But I really didn't see Sale get nothing but his fastball over consistently last year. That will spell doom for him in the rotation. Than, if he goes into the rotation, that 99 100 mph is probably going to dip to about 96 97 with not much complimenting it. This is just my opinion. I hope I'm wrong.

CHISOXFAN13
12-16-2010, 10:18 AM
Once again KW overpays for a mediocre reliever. Sox still need another arm to solidify the pen.

You know the market huh? If this is the going rate for a solid reliever and KW has the money to spend, how the **** is it overpaying.

I thought we had a smarter fanbase.

Huisj
12-16-2010, 10:20 AM
I see your point. But I really didn't see Sale get nothing but his fastball over consistently last year. That will spell doom for him in the rotation. Than, if he goes into the rotation, that 99 100 mph is probably going to dip to about 96 97 with not much complimenting it. This is just my opinion. I hope I'm wrong.

Or more realistically it turns into 93-95. He averaged 96.3 last year with his fastball according to fangraphs after his callup.

ZombieRob
12-16-2010, 10:25 AM
Or more realistically it turns into 93-95. He averaged 96.3 last year with his fastball according to fangraphs after his callup.
Also IIRC he tended to throw a lot of pitches in his relief outings, which would really spell disaster. I think you leave him in the pen.

delben91
12-16-2010, 10:37 AM
Also IIRC he tended to throw a lot of pitches in his relief outings, which would really spell disaster. I think you leave him in the pen.

I'd rather trade Sale for a couple middle of the line AA-level middle infielders when 2011 goes to hell in a handbasket next year.

Do you think Sale will get too exposed as a mediocre pitcher (a la Lance Broadway) by July? Maybe KW should try dealing him in May before everyone sees all the holes in his game?

:(:

ZombieRob
12-16-2010, 10:47 AM
I'd rather trade Sale for a couple middle of the line AA-level middle infielders when 2011 goes to hell in a handbasket next year.

Do you think Sale will get too exposed as a mediocre pitcher (a la Lance Broadway) by July? Maybe KW should try dealing him in May before everyone sees all the holes in his game?

:(:
Don't think the Sox should give up on him. He hardly pitched minors. And his off speed stuff was very sporadic. Just my thought is keep him in the pen until he can develop more.

Zisk77
12-16-2010, 10:48 AM
I'd rather trade Sale for a couple middle of the line AA-level middle infielders when 2011 goes to hell in a handbasket next year.

Do you think Sale will get too exposed as a mediocre pitcher (a la Lance Broadway) by July? Maybe KW should try dealing him in May before everyone sees all the holes in his game?

:(:

You have got to be kidding, Really! A Lefty that throws 100mph with a good slider and change is mediocre like Broadway? Sale's stuff is electric.

KyWhiSoxFan
12-16-2010, 10:51 AM
I'd rather trade Sale for a couple middle of the line AA-level middle infielders when 2011 goes to hell in a handbasket next year.

Do you think Sale will get too exposed as a mediocre pitcher (a la Lance Broadway) by July? Maybe KW should try dealing him in May before everyone sees all the holes in his game?

:(:

Since you're asking for opinions, you apparently have not seen him pitch. If you had, you would not be comparing him in any way, shape, or form to Lance Broadway. Trade him? You're also kidding, there, I guess.

This kid can pitch and is very effective. The only question is whether he should be a starter or reliever in 2011.

KenBerryGrab
12-16-2010, 10:57 AM
I'd rather trade Sale for a couple middle of the line AA-level middle infielders when 2011 goes to hell in a handbasket next year.

Do you think Sale will get too exposed as a mediocre pitcher (a la Lance Broadway) by July? Maybe KW should try dealing him in May before everyone sees all the holes in his game?

:(:

This is silly. He's an impact guy. Did you see Mauer try to hit him?

The question I have is whether his slim frame and violent arm action can stand up to starting.

TheOldRoman
12-16-2010, 11:02 AM
Haven't you guys learned your lesson yet with these traditional sports departments? How many of these eggheads published crap about Adam Dunn not wanting to be a DH?The Dunn thing was different. He said explicilty that he didn't want to be a DH. Being a DH eliminates over half the teams from bidding, and of course, once he becomes a DH there is no going back. He had no problem being a DH once he realized that the best offer was for him to go to a team needing a DH.

Hitmen77
12-16-2010, 11:03 AM
This sounds like a good move to me. Crain might not be perfect, but I'll take my chances with him over the Sox filling the bullpen holes with non-roster invitees, Royals castaways, etc.

To me, this is a great sign that the Sox aren't just going to stop and leave a glaring hole in the roster. I expect them to add another pitcher (either a 5th starter or another reliever) this offseason. I just don't see them spending all this money on Dunn, Konerko, and now Crain and only to have them throw up their hands and say they have no more money to fill the rest of the pen. They've gone this far, they're not going to risk their huge investments by "crying poor" now (if that is what people are worried about).

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Sale for 2011. If they go into April with him as our 5th starter, is he ready yet to work as a starter for a full MLB season (i'm assuming the worst with Peavy)?

As far as payroll, who knows, maybe they'll trade Teahen and free up a few million there (I'm assuming they'd have to eat part of that $4.75M salary).

asindc
12-16-2010, 11:04 AM
This is silly. He's an impact guy. Did you see Mauer try to hit him?

The question I have is whether his slim frame and violent arm action can stand up to starting.

I agree to some extent. He reminds me of Brandon McCarthy.

cws05champ
12-16-2010, 11:05 AM
Or more realistically it turns into 93-95. He averaged 96.3 last year with his fastball according to fangraphs after his callup.
Which is perfectly fine as a starter, and he did get that slider over when he needed to. But one thing you really didn't see out of the pen was his change up. When he came out of college his change up was considered his best pitch, but it wasn't really used out of the pen. If he can locate the fastball and change you don't need to get that slider over too often...just enough to keep guys honest. Believe me, I'm scared about his motion that it will lead to injury....but they said the same of Linceum. He has had the same motion for years and has not had any injury history, so IMO we should at least see what he has as a starter.

VMSNS
12-16-2010, 11:19 AM
I'd rather trade Sale for a couple middle of the line AA-level middle infielders when 2011 goes to hell in a handbasket next year.

Do you think Sale will get too exposed as a mediocre pitcher (a la Lance Broadway) by July? Maybe KW should try dealing him in May before everyone sees all the holes in his game?

:(:

Umm....what? Have you seen the kid pitch? He flat-out EMBARRASSED Joe Mauer last season, one of the best hitters in the game.

I'd always be weary about signing relievers to more than 2 years, but the market right now dictates that any decent reliever will get 3+ years. This signing could definitely blow up in our face, but I guess you've gotta take some chances every once in a while. Hopefully, Crain pitches well for us.

Jitterbug Boy
12-16-2010, 11:20 AM
Crain went on KFAN 1130 AM in the Twin Cities to talk about his deal.
He said the contract was for 3 years and $13 million. He said the sox said that with Sale and Thornton as the big lefties that he was told that he was being looked at as a being a big righty to go in the 7th, 8th and 9th inning.

He said the Twins never made him an offer. He figured they weren't going to spend the money and he didn't want to wait to find out if they would make an offer.

Crain said that he had offers from other teams and the White Sox were the last ones to give him an offer. But they offered him a 3rd year. From the way it sounded that was the clincher.

There's your report from behind enemy lines in Twins territory.

Go Sox.

khan
12-16-2010, 11:32 AM
Looks like you'll be to Jesse Crain what Khan is to Edwin Jackson.

Except that, you know, the fact that Crain hasn't been passed around the league like hot garbage. I mean, FOUR TEAMS haven't given up on Crain, have they?

And that Crain has been, you know, pretty good at his job, based on his numbers. Oh, and that adding Crain didn't cost the SOX it's only decent pitching prospect. Oh, and that Crain isn't as overpaid, relative to his peers. Oh yeah, and that [as far as I am aware] Crain doesn't have a complete ******* for an agent, does he?


But yeah, other than that, using facts and actual numbers to illustrate how a player has or has not been good is the same thing as using emotion and ill-formed opinion to say that a guy sucks.

CAREY33
12-16-2010, 12:00 PM
I dont like 3 year deals for middle relievers, especially when your paying 13 million.

chisoxlove
12-16-2010, 12:01 PM
I'd rather trade Sale for a couple middle of the line AA-level middle infielders when 2011 goes to hell in a handbasket next year.

Do you think Sale will get too exposed as a mediocre pitcher (a la Lance Broadway) by July? Maybe KW should try dealing him in May before everyone sees all the holes in his game?

:(:


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DumpJerry
12-16-2010, 12:01 PM
I'd rather trade Sale for a couple middle of the line AA-level middle infielders when 2011 goes to hell in a handbasket next year.

Do you think Sale will get too exposed as a mediocre pitcher (a la Lance Broadway) by July? Maybe KW should try dealing him in May before everyone sees all the holes in his game?

:(:
I.......I.......just don't how to respond.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/randy-johnson-300.jpg

asindc
12-16-2010, 12:03 PM
I dont like 3 year deals for middle relievers, especially when your paying 13 million.

I don't think anyone does, except maybe Dave Dombrowski, since he started this current trend, but the Sox were faced with possibly losing out on Crain or giving him the 3rd year. Lose Crain and who is to say that the next guy won't want 3 years for close to the same money and get it from another team if the Sox won't pay it?

Lip Man 1
12-16-2010, 12:19 PM
Given the story in the paper which indicated that:

A. Sale is remaining in the bullpen possibly as the closer

B. Kenny apparently wants another left hander for the back end (bridge - set up) role if Kerry Wood does not accept the Sox offer. I ask who is still out there that meets this criteria?

Thanks,

Lip

FielderJones
12-16-2010, 12:26 PM
I'd rather trade Sale for a couple middle of the line AA-level middle infielders when 2011 goes to hell in a handbasket next year.

Do you think Sale will get too exposed as a mediocre pitcher (a la Lance Broadway) by July? Maybe KW should try dealing him in May before everyone sees all the holes in his game?


:facepalm:


I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

BringHomeDaBacon
12-16-2010, 12:31 PM
Given the story in the paper which indicated that:

A. Sale is remaining in the bullpen possibly as the closer

B. Kenny apparently wants another left hander for the back end (bridge - set up) role if Kerry Wood does not accept the Sox offer. I ask who is still out there that meets this criteria?

Thanks,

Lip

I'm not sure which criteria you're referring to but if its LHRP
then off the top of my head: Okajima and Feliciano.

Carolina Kenny
12-16-2010, 12:42 PM
The Sox needed to rebuild the bullpen.
Kenny is doing it.

Any bullpen is a roll of the dice. Props to Kenny and Jerry for going "all in".

delben91
12-16-2010, 12:43 PM
I.......I.......just don't how to respond.


I figured between the Crain hate and the contingency plan thread that teal would be self-evident.

DumpJerry
12-16-2010, 12:46 PM
I figured between the Crain hate and the contingency plan thread that teal would be self-evident.
Ok. My faith in humanity is revived.

asindc
12-16-2010, 12:46 PM
I figured between the Crain hate and the contingency plan thread that teal would be self-evident.

I hear you, but given the mild-lunacy of the Contingency thread and the clamoring for a perfect offseason by a few, going without teal is risky at the moment.:tongue:

delben91
12-16-2010, 12:50 PM
I hear you, but given the mild-lunacy of the Contingency thread and the clamoring for a perfect offseason by a few, going without teal is risky at the moment.:tongue:

I like to live on the wild side. It's amazing how even the most ridiculous statements on WSI can be viewed as an honest belief if teal is not used. I'm not sure if that's a credit to WSI or not... :redneck

KMcMahon817
12-16-2010, 12:54 PM
Well, when this rumor showed up in WTS last night, I didn't expect the SOX to agree to terms with Crain in less than an hour. He could be a decent 7th inning guy if he stays healthy. I do think three years and 13 million is a bit much, but hey, I'm not writing the checks. As long as Jerry is willing to dole out a similar contract for one more reliever, I am happy.

With all the Sale rotation/bullpen talk, what do you guys think of him starting the year in the rotation.

Danks
Buehrle
Floyd
Jackson
Sale

One could sure do a lot worse than that. When Peavy comes back, Sale is moved to a utility type of bullpen arm. He starts every other week or so to give the horses some extra rest, does some long relief to stay relatively stretched out for 2012, and works as a late inning guy a few times a week as well. I think this is the closest to a win-win situation. Sure, Sale cracking the rotation out of ST without ever starting a game in the minors is a little...bold. But, it would also be a shame to have that electric arm not with the big league club. I think this scenario could work, but it would be a special case, no doubt.

As for Crain, welcome to the South Side, buddy.

dickallen15
12-16-2010, 01:08 PM
Sale has 10 innings minor league experience and 23 innings major league experience. Whoever doesn't think he's going to struggle at some point is in for a big surprise. Closer, a big part of the rotation. That's crazy talk. Let him find his way as a middle man, Ozzie picking his spots and spot starter.

JB98
12-16-2010, 01:23 PM
The Sox needed to rebuild the bullpen.
Kenny is doing it.

Any bullpen is a roll of the dice. Props to Kenny and Jerry for going "all in".

Yeah. Personally, I think it's a good day when our biggest complaints are about Sox management overpaying for middle relievers.

I would rather see management overpay for someone like Crain than trot out clowns like Lucas Harrell and Randy Williams. We've been down that road before and it's always a fail.

I'm just glad to see JR and KW spending money and trying to build a winner for us.

gr8mexico
12-16-2010, 01:38 PM
yeah. Personally, i think it's a good day when our biggest complaints are about sox management overpaying for middle relievers.

I would rather see management overpay for someone like crain than trot out clowns like lucas harrell and randy williams. We've been down that road before and it's always a fail.

I'm just glad to see jr and kw spending money and trying to build a winner for us.
amen!

Hitmen77
12-16-2010, 01:46 PM
Given the story in the paper which indicated that:

A. Sale is remaining in the bullpen possibly as the closer

B. Kenny apparently wants another left hander for the back end (bridge - set up) role if Kerry Wood does not accept the Sox offer. I ask who is still out there that meets this criteria?

Thanks,

Lip

If that's the case, will the Sox pursue a serviceable 5th starter since Peavy is a big question mark?

russ99
12-16-2010, 01:48 PM
I'm not sure which criteria you're referring to but if its LHRP
then off the top of my head: Okajima and Feliciano.

Okajima would be a nice fit, since it doesn't seem he can handle the Thornton-like setup role anymore, but could do well as a LH middle reliever.

I wonder if his stock is down after his first down year of his career, and the Sox could nab him a bit below the going rate for similar guys.

As for the fifth starter, they'll wait until January when such players can be signed inexpensively. They may have updated news on Peavy by then too, as if I recall he was going to start throwing around then.

soltrain21
12-16-2010, 01:54 PM
If that's the case, will the Sox pursue a serviceable 5th starter since Peavy is a big question mark?

http://umpbump.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/feddy-garcia11.jpg
Sup dude.

soxfanreggie
12-16-2010, 02:22 PM
Welcome to the Sox Jesse, great to have you aboard! Crain in, Linebrink out...I like!

asindc
12-16-2010, 02:41 PM
Okajima would be a nice fit, since it doesn't seem he can handle the Thornton-like setup role anymore, but could do well as a LH middle reliever.

I wonder if his stock is down after his first down year of his career, and the Sox could nab him a bit below the going rate for similar guys.

As for the fifth starter, they'll wait until January when such players can be signed inexpensively. They may have updated news on Peavy by then too, as if I recall he was going to start throwing around then.

For what it's worth, Boston fans are just as happy to be rid of Okajima as most of us are to be rid of Linebrink.

guillensdisciple
12-16-2010, 02:50 PM
:facepalm:


I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

where is that from??? That's too funny

sox1970
12-16-2010, 02:55 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

where is that from??? That's too funny

5hfYJsQAhl0

guillensdisciple
12-16-2010, 02:58 PM
5hfYJsQAhl0

There it is, sorry for the side track, but it was too funny not to reference. Thanks for the post 1970.

jcw218
12-16-2010, 03:00 PM
:facepalm:


I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

where is that from??? That's too funny

I know that the picture is from The Simpson's, but Where the caption under the picture comes from I do not know.

BadBobbyJenks
12-16-2010, 03:33 PM
Why didn't we just keep Putz? I guess Kenny learned nothing from the Linebrink disaster.

asindc
12-16-2010, 03:39 PM
Why didn't we just keep Putz? I guess Kenny learned nothing from the Linebrink disaster.

I don't know. The point of your question is valid, of course, but maybe it's for the same reason no other contending team signed Putz.

FielderJones
12-16-2010, 03:39 PM
I like to live on the wild side. It's amazing how even the most ridiculous statements on WSI can be viewed as an honest belief if teal is not used. I'm not sure if that's a credit to WSI or not... :redneck

There is no inflection in written words. There is no facial expression to read. If you don't use teal on this board do not be surprised when people take you seriously. There have been crazier ideas proposed here by posters who were dead-serious.

Hitmen77
12-16-2010, 03:49 PM
http://umpbump.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/feddy-garcia11.jpg
Sup dude.

I wouldn't mind seeing him back as our "5th starter until/if Peavy comes back" option. I wonder how much it would take to bring Freddy back?

BadBobbyJenks
12-16-2010, 03:52 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing him back as our "5th starter until/if Peavy comes back" option. I wonder how much it would take to bring Freddy back?

1 million and a bottle of Patron?

soltrain21
12-16-2010, 04:03 PM
1 million and a bottle of Patron?

And I'll talk to a good weed guy.

kittle42
12-16-2010, 04:23 PM
Why didn't we just keep Putz? I guess Kenny learned nothing from the Linebrink disaster.

Again, would people be happier with Lucas Harrell?

soltrain21
12-16-2010, 04:29 PM
Again, would people be happier with Lucas Harrell?

People would be happier with whatever the opposite of what KW does.

BadBobbyJenks
12-16-2010, 04:49 PM
Again, would people be happier with Lucas Harrell?

No I would not. What is your point?

Shorty1983
12-16-2010, 06:04 PM
You know the market huh? If this is the going rate for a solid reliever and KW has the money to spend, how the **** is it overpaying.

I thought we had a smarter fanbase.


I based my opinion on the average relief pitcher salary (2.1 mil). It's not unreasonable for a fan to comment that they feel the team over-paid a player. You're acting as though the market is some omnipotent being.

That said, welcome to the south side Jesse Crain.

DonnieDarko
12-16-2010, 09:04 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing him back as our "5th starter until/if Peavy comes back" option. I wonder how much it would take to bring Freddy back?

1 million and a bottle of Patron?

Don't forget a bag of good OG Kush, too!

CHISOXFAN13
12-16-2010, 10:10 PM
No I would not. What is your point?

Putz signed before Konerko did, so it's obvious the White Sox were using the payroll remaining to sign him.

Let's just be happy they opened up the purse strings more since that deal went down.

TheCommander
12-16-2010, 11:33 PM
According to Boston papers, Theo Epstein said they wanted Crane but Red Sox do not give 3yr contracts to set-up guys.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=305369776451&id=b0909127113a8e9965eb6392895767f9&index=ch1
"And I was looking quite forward to returning to Beantown!"

Foulke You
12-16-2010, 11:33 PM
People would be happier with whatever the opposite of what KW does.
I think this is true for a certain group of people. Sometimes Kenny can't win for losing in WSI land. We absolutely, positively NEEDED more bullpen help. Kenny goes out and gets one of the best setup man free agents available. I fail to see what's not to like here. Any free agent bullpen guy is a risk but this one could come up aces for us. I really think the Linebrink contract has shell shocked all Sox fans into thinking every free agent relief pitcher is going to be bad.

BadBobbyJenks
12-17-2010, 03:36 AM
People would be happier with whatever the opposite of what KW does.

You know me, leader of the anti Kenny bandwagon. :rolleyes:

soltrain21
12-17-2010, 09:41 AM
You know me, leader of the anti Kenny bandwagon. :rolleyes:

I wasn't talking about you. The question was just asked in regards to something you said. I know you don't hate KW. But some people here do, no matter what he does.

russ99
12-17-2010, 10:10 AM
I based my opinion on the average relief pitcher salary (2.1 mil). It's not unreasonable for a fan to comment that they feel the team over-paid a player. You're acting as though the market is some omnipotent being.

That said, welcome to the south side Jesse Crain.

It's very rare when anyone pays an average salary for an in-demand player in free agency.

I don't think it's unreasonable at all. We're paying Thornton pretty close to that next year, and you can be sure Thornton will get more as a FA in 2011. Experienced players cost money.