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Fenway
12-12-2010, 07:13 AM
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As each day ticks by NYY gets more and more nervous their $$$$ may not be enough

So are the Red Sox the 'stalking horse' here....

I can't fathom Lee coming to Boston.....but



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/12/11/2010-12-11_red_sox_made_sevenyear_offer_to_cliff_lee_to_ra ise_price_for_yankees_on_coveted_.html


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/12/11/2010-12-11_red_sox_made_sevenyear_offer_to_cliff_lee_to_ra ise_price_for_yankees_on_coveted_.html


Mike Lupica looks at the situation (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/12/12/2010-12-12_yankees_chase_free_agent_cliff_lee_with_too_muc h_money_too_many_years_and_no_lon.html)

DumpJerry
12-12-2010, 10:03 AM
The Royals will get him to replace the hole left by the departure of Brian Anderson.

Domeshot17
12-12-2010, 10:14 AM
I love how when most teams make a player an offer and win him, they simply won the bidding war. But not in Boston, every offer they make is either covert or a ploy. While 29 other GM's are in a typical winter in the MLB, Theo is apparently auditioning for the CIA....

Only in Boston:rolleyes:

asindc
12-12-2010, 10:20 AM
I love how when most teams make a player an offer and win him, they simply won the bidding war. But not in Boston, every offer they make is either covert or a ploy. While 29 other GM's are in a typical winter in the MLB, Theo is apparently auditioning for the CIA....

Only in Boston:rolleyes:

Just another example of his genius.

Fenway
12-12-2010, 10:29 AM
I love how when most teams make a player an offer and win him, they simply won the bidding war. But not in Boston, every offer they make is either covert or a ploy. While 29 other GM's are in a typical winter in the MLB, Theo is apparently auditioning for the CIA....

Only in Boston:rolleyes:

This is a NEW YORK paper :tongue:

guillensdisciple
12-12-2010, 10:48 AM
**** Boston.

Oblong
12-12-2010, 10:49 AM
I think he stays in TX. It's a very short flight from Arkansas. Really, what's the difference between the offers? Does it really matter that much?

Of course he'll then sign with NYY or Boston who offered more and say "It wasn't about the money....."

cards press box
12-12-2010, 10:57 AM
Every day that goes by without Lee signing anywhere makes it more likely that he won't sign with New York. If New York were his top choice, wouldn't the deal have been done once the Yanks went to a seventh year in their offer? That didn't happen and that makes me think he very well might sign elsewhere.

DumpJerry
12-12-2010, 03:12 PM
I'm thinking he's waiting for Kenny to make an offer so he can be mentored by John Danks.

JermaineDye05
12-12-2010, 03:17 PM
I'm worried that the Tigers or Twins are in the sweepstakes.

DumpJerry
12-12-2010, 03:23 PM
I'm worried that the Tigers or Twins are in the sweepstakes.
Based on what $$$$$?

CHISOXFAN13
12-12-2010, 03:55 PM
I'm worried that the Tigers or Twins are in the sweepstakes.

The Twins have let several players go because they are cash strapped with Mauer's deal.

Don't see it happening.

Fenway
12-12-2010, 09:41 PM
NY media has been buzzing it is the Tigers....Lee could be lights out at Comerica.

Nobody knows if Boston is in or out. It is obvious they want NESN viewership to bounce back.

JermaineDye05
12-12-2010, 09:59 PM
NY media has been buzzing it is the Tigers....Lee could be lights out at Comerica.

Nobody knows if Boston is in or out. It is obvious they want NESN viewership to bounce back.

I had a hunch it would be them.

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2010, 10:27 PM
NY media has been buzzing it is the Tigers....Lee could be lights out at Comerica.

Nobody knows if Boston is in or out. It is obvious they want NESN viewership to bounce back.

God knows Illich isn't afraid to spend money and their pitching right now is a serious hole. I just can't honestly see the Yankees letting him go. They will wow him away somehow.

mzh
12-12-2010, 10:46 PM
Tomorrow it will be announced, Lee to the Yankees for 7 years and $162 million. Just throwing that out there :cool:

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 04:33 PM
still hearing rumblings of 3rd team in lee mix. word is offer much lower than NYY's, but it's also a place lee loves 37 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/14438327306420224) via Mobile Web (http://mobile.twitter.com/) Retweeted by 45 people
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/190827556/jon_heyman_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)
SI_JonHeyman (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)

I'm gonna guess Angels.

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 04:55 PM
still hearing rumblings of 3rd team in lee mix. word is offer much lower than NYY's, but it's also a place lee loves 37 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/14438327306420224) via Mobile Web (http://mobile.twitter.com/) Retweeted by 45 people
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/190827556/jon_heyman_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)
SI_JonHeyman (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)

I'm gonna guess Angels.

Philly.

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 06:24 PM
Philly.

Phillies it is

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/phillies-still-bidding-for-cliff-lee

DumpJerry
12-13-2010, 06:28 PM
Phillies it is

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/phillies-still-bidding-for-cliff-lee
:praying:

Lip Man 1
12-13-2010, 09:00 PM
That would be one hell of a rotation if those four guys stayed healthy.

Lip

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 09:08 PM
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Joelsherman1 (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1) Joel Sherman
At this moment, #Yankees (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Yankees) have become extremely negative about landing Lee and believing that he is edging toward #Phillies (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Phillies)
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1/status/14516533292179456)

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 09:09 PM
Let it be so. I would love it if Lee took significantly less money and years to not go to New York.

Fenway
12-13-2010, 09:09 PM
I think the Yankees are out of this....

Gammons thinks Detroit is still lurking as Mike Illitch wants to see a World Championship before he passes and he is 81.


CSN Philly says the team NEVER goes more than 3 years for a pitcher which is why they unloaded him in the first place...


http://www.csnphilly.com/12/13/10/Phillies-among-three-finalists-to-land-C/landing_phillies.html?blockID=372509&feedID=704

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 09:10 PM
Last week we did hear that all the GMs were convinced that Crawford was going to LA, and then the Red Sox scooped him up with their ridiculous contract. So let's not get too excited just yet.

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 09:13 PM
being told cliff lee decision unlikely to come tonite but may be as early as tomorrow. #phillies (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23phillies), #mysteryteam (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23mysteryteam) less than 10 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/14518349568413696) via web Retweeted by 2 people
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/190827556/jon_heyman_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)
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Jon Heyman

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 09:16 PM
If the Rangers are seemingly out of the mix, I think I'd prefer Lee go to the Yankees. That would be a fearsome rotation in Philly.

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 09:18 PM
If the Rangers are seemingly out of the mix, I think I'd prefer Lee go to the Yankees. That would be a fearsome rotation in Philly.

We could take 'em. :cool:

NDSox12
12-13-2010, 09:24 PM
If the Rangers are seemingly out of the mix, I think I'd prefer Lee go to the Yankees. That would be a fearsome rotation in Philly.

Why would you prefer that? The only way we would face the Phillies would be in the World Series. I could live with that.

soltrain21
12-13-2010, 09:31 PM
Why would you prefer that? The only way we would face the Phillies would be in the World Series. I could live with that.

Yeah. I'll take my chances. In fact. I prefer they sign him and we see him.

Fenway
12-13-2010, 09:37 PM
http://www.nesn.com/2010/12/report-cliff-lee-nearing-decision-between-yankees-rangers-phillies.html

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 09:41 PM
Yeah. I'll take my chances. In fact. I prefer they sign him and we see him.

Lee's career vs. Sox

6-6 5.65

guillensdisciple
12-13-2010, 09:51 PM
http://www.nesn.com/2010/12/report-cliff-lee-nearing-decision-between-yankees-rangers-phillies.html


This reeks of Lebron James from the summer, except without the douche factor.

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 09:58 PM
I like how people say this is a rough off season for the Yankees because they haven't been able to outpay everyone for another all-star-type player to add to their already juggernaut-like team.

Boo ****ing hoo

DumpJerry
12-13-2010, 10:00 PM
If the Rangers are seemingly out of the mix, I think I'd prefer Lee go to the Yankees. That would be a fearsome rotation in Philly.
Ummmm.......did the Phillies move to the AL and Yankees to the NL?

guillensdisciple
12-13-2010, 10:02 PM
Ummmm.......did the Phillies move to the AL and Yankees to the NL?


Give the man props, he's thinking 232 steps in front of everyone right now.

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 10:11 PM
It's (almost) official: Lee has reached a tentative agreement with the #Phillies (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Phillies), he is waiting to see if the #Rangers (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Rangers) will offer 8yrs. #MLB (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MLB) 7 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Ken_RosenthaI/status/14531134461321216) via web Retweeted by 20 people
http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1188029675/Kenny_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/Ken_RosenthaI)
Ken_RosenthaI (http://twitter.com/Ken_RosenthaI)
Ken RosenthaI

EDIT: This was fake. Should have been obvious from the Twitter name.

VMSNS
12-13-2010, 10:13 PM
Holy hell, that rotation would be disgusting...

Halladay
Lee
Oswalt
Hamels

As long as he stays away from Boston or (especially) New York, I'm happy. I'd LOVE to see him take less money and less years to play for Texas or Philly. It'd be one of those "good for baseball" things.

I thought the mystery team was either Houston or Detroit, myself.

guillensdisciple
12-13-2010, 10:16 PM
It's (almost) official: Lee has reached a tentative agreement with the #Phillies (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Phillies), he is waiting to see if the #Rangers (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Rangers) will offer 8yrs. #MLB (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MLB) 7 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Ken_RosenthaI/status/14531134461321216) via web Retweeted by 20 people
http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1188029675/Kenny_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/Ken_RosenthaI)
Ken_RosenthaI (http://twitter.com/Ken_RosenthaI)
Ken RosenthaI


Jesus christ, their rotation is god like. Their fourth pitcher is an ace on any other team in baseball.

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 10:16 PM
That was from a fake Ken Rosenthal account. We'll keep you posted if and when there is actual news on the Cliff Lee front. less than 20 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/14533925955178496) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/745581640/MLBTR-main-twittericon0310_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors)
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MLB Trade Rumors

Someone pulled a fast one

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 10:54 PM
yankees have been told they're out of cliff lee sweepstakes less than 20 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/14543529044869121) via web Retweeted by 1 person
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/190827556/jon_heyman_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)
SI_JonHeyman (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)

http://bit.ly/icExAK Lee going to the Phillies. Rangers have been told 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Sullivan_Ranger/status/14543438586322944) via bitly (http://bit.ly/) Retweeted by 4 people
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/642350117/userpic-899-250x250_bigger.png (http://twitter.com/Sullivan_Ranger)
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TR Sullivan






Wow.

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 10:59 PM
Nice.

Now it's time for someone overpay for Greinke in desperation.

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 10:59 PM
:rolling: at the Yankees attempt to sign Cliff Lee. It's so much sweeter too considering so many experts were calling it a foregone conclusion pretty much.

http://www.ipandora.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/epic_fail.jpg

cws05champ
12-13-2010, 10:59 PM
Wow!!!

Halladay
Oswalt
Lee
Hamels

Un-****ing believable...

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 11:00 PM
Supposedly the Yanks inquired on Danks at the winter meetings as a fallback option and KW wasn't interested. But:

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/262579268/sherman3_normal.jpg
Joelsherman1 (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1) Joel Sherman
#Whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Whitesox) (who like #Yankees (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Yankees) prospects) would consider moving Jackson/Floyd, #Marlins (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Marlins) Nolasco (Girardi managed him). that is level available
6 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1/status/14543358001152000)

Sockinchisox
12-13-2010, 11:01 PM
Lee is signing with the Phillies, Yankees and Rangers have both been told they're out. That rotation is going to be ridiculous.

http://twitter.com/#!/mlbtraderumors/status/14543834264371201

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 11:03 PM
I don't really mind the Phillies. I wonder if I will feel differently at the end of the season.

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 11:04 PM
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/262579268/sherman3_normal.jpg
Joelsherman1 (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1) Joel Sherman
Hear Lee's deal is in the 5 yr, $100M range with #Phillies (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Phillies)
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1/status/14545704722632704)

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 11:05 PM
Hear Lee's deal is in the 5 yr, $100M range with #Phillies (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Phillies) 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/14545704722632704) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/) Retweeted by 29 people
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/262579268/sherman3_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/Joelsherman1)
Joelsherman1 (http://twitter.com/Joelsherman1)

ChiSoxGal85
12-13-2010, 11:05 PM
Wow. I like seeing the Yanks NOT getting what they want for once. I thought I saw somewhere that Lee was taking less $ to go to Philly...Hah, if that's true, I REALLY like.

JermaineDye05
12-13-2010, 11:06 PM
Supposedly the Yanks inquired on Danks at the winter meetings as a fallback option and KW wasn't interested. But:

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/262579268/sherman3_normal.jpg
Joelsherman1 (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1) Joel Sherman
#Whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Whitesox) (who like #Yankees (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Yankees) prospects) would consider moving Jackson/Floyd, #Marlins (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Marlins) Nolasco (Girardi managed him). that is level available
6 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1/status/14543358001152000)

Thank God. Danks is the one starter I don't want KW trading.

soxinem1
12-13-2010, 11:06 PM
If Cliff Lee is indeed with PHI, that is one bad ass rotation. Wow!!

And to think he turned down a ton of money from both TEX and NYY. HE walked away from about $45-50 million guaranteed!!!!!

Good to see that the Yankmees couldn't just swoop in and dump a boatload of $$$$ on someone and they come running to them like they are hypnotized.

Sure helped that Lee obviously was happy in Philly when he was there last.

Truth is, Lee didn't pitch well in Texas and did lose two games in the World Series.

y2j2785
12-13-2010, 11:06 PM
The other teams in the NL East will sure have fun facing a rotation of Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, and Hamels next season.

Lamp81
12-13-2010, 11:07 PM
Good for him. He liked playing with the Phillies and didn't let his agent talk him into going to the Yankees only for the betterment of the agent and the players union.

Lee was a free agent and he made the best choice for himself, and is still a very rich man.

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 11:10 PM
I remember at the start of the offseason the reports that Lee was all about the money and would for sure be signing to whoever offered him the highest amount.

Kudos Cliffy.

soxinem1
12-13-2010, 11:10 PM
The other teams in the NL East will sure have fun facing a rotation of Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, and Hamels next season.

If they keep him, Blanton is not exactly a scrub in the #5 slot.

That might be one of the least-used bullpens in modern MLB history in 2011. All of these guys routinely pitch past the seventh inning.

Whappeh
12-13-2010, 11:16 PM
Best off-season ever?

Yankees got the shaft, the White Sox did fairly good.

y2j2785
12-13-2010, 11:17 PM
If they keep him, Blanton is not exactly a scrub in the #5 slot.

That might be one of the least-used bullpens in modern MLB history in 2011. All of these guys routinely pitch past the seventh inning.

Well there are reports that they are shopping Blanton because he's due $17 million over the next 2 years. I saw somewhere that their payroll was at $145 million before they signed Lee so I'm sure they will be looking to shed payroll before the season starts.

Soxman219
12-13-2010, 11:18 PM
Now the competition is dwindled in the AL, good news.

soltrain21
12-13-2010, 11:19 PM
Supposedly the Yanks inquired on Danks at the winter meetings as a fallback option and KW wasn't interested. But:

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/262579268/sherman3_normal.jpg
Joelsherman1 (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1) Joel Sherman
#Whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Whitesox) (who like #Yankees (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Yankees) prospects) would consider moving Jackson/Floyd, #Marlins (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Marlins) Nolasco (Girardi managed him). that is level available
6 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1/status/14543358001152000)

He should be interested if Danks won't sign an extension.

soltrain21
12-13-2010, 11:20 PM
Best off-season ever?

Yankees got the shaft, the White Sox did fairly good.

The Red Sox ruined it.

spongyfungy
12-13-2010, 11:20 PM
Halladay
Lee
Oswalt
Hamels
Blanton

someone doesn't belong there.

soltrain21
12-13-2010, 11:24 PM
Halladay
Lee
Oswalt
Hamels
Blanton

someone doesn't belong there.

The Phantastic Four.

DeadMoney
12-13-2010, 11:26 PM
I'm not even quite sure what to say about this. I'm - well - a bit shocked by it...

Edit: Jayson Stark has also tweeted that he's left a possible $50M on the table. We'll see what happens when the smoke clears, but if that's even half true, WOW.

tstrike2000
12-13-2010, 11:36 PM
Assumably, he chose the right situation for him over a lot more cash. Good for him. I'm not a Phillies fan, but that rotation is sick if everyone stays relatively healthy.

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 11:37 PM
http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/378926935/Crasnick_head_shot_normal.jpg
jcrasnick (http://twitter.com/#%21/jcrasnick) Jerry Crasnick
Ruben Amaro Jr. is currently working on deal to trade Joe Blanton to free up some salary.
53 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/jcrasnick/status/14554108803420160)

cws05champ
12-13-2010, 11:38 PM
I thought KW was the only one who could fly under the radar???

chisoxlove
12-13-2010, 11:47 PM
Mark Buehrle just got A LOT more valuable...the Yanks NEED a lefty, especially with A-Gon and Crawford on the BoSox. Who could we get from the Yanks...and who do we want from them if we do trade Buehrle?

KMcMahon817
12-13-2010, 11:50 PM
Mark Buehrle just got A LOT more valuable...the Yanks NEED a lefty, especially with A-Gon and Crawford on the BoSox. Who could we get from the Yanks...and who do we want from them if we do trade Buehrle?

This. Still don't know how "in" I am on a Buehrle trade. It would totally depend on what we get in the trade and what we do with the saved money.

DirtySox
12-13-2010, 11:54 PM
This. Still don't know how "in" I am on a Buehrle trade. It would totally depend on what we get in the trade and what we do with the saved money.

Agreed. Kenny should be gauging interest on all his starters though, not just MB.

JermaineDye05
12-14-2010, 12:00 AM
Mark Buehrle just got A LOT more valuable...the Yanks NEED a lefty, especially with A-Gon and Crawford on the BoSox. Who could we get from the Yanks...and who do we want from them if we do trade Buehrle?

The thing is that we have our own lefties to worry about in the Central. I think the fact that we have Mauer and Morneau in the division would make Kenny hesitant to trade a Buehrle or Danks, unless he's blown away, of course.

psyclonis
12-14-2010, 12:10 AM
Mark Buehrle just got A LOT more valuable...the Yanks NEED a lefty, especially with A-Gon and Crawford on the BoSox. Who could we get from the Yanks...and who do we want from them if we do trade Buehrle?

The only way he accepts a NYY trade is if they restructure his contract to boost his salary/years

doublem23
12-14-2010, 12:12 AM
I love the d-bag from ESPNNewYork.com trying to save face saying "Yankee fans aren't too upset, they feel gluttonous if they sign everybody."

:rolleyes:

Right, every Yankee fan I know is a humble, soft-spoken individual.

doublem23
12-14-2010, 12:13 AM
The only way he accepts a NYY trade is if they restructure his contract to boost his salary/years

And you know that how?

Rockabilly
12-14-2010, 12:17 AM
would love to have Brett Gardner on the Sox

JermaineDye05
12-14-2010, 12:24 AM
would love to have Brett Gardner on the Sox

We'd have to find a suitor for Pierre or Quentin first

Nellie_Fox
12-14-2010, 12:28 AM
I would just love to see the Yankees come up empty in the big-name free agent market. Love it.

JermaineDye05
12-14-2010, 12:32 AM
I would just love to see the Yankees come up empty in the big-name free agent market. Love it.

I think they pretty much have. Beltre is the only big name left out there and with A-Rod and Teixeira on the corners of the diamond, I don't see them going after him.

cards press box
12-14-2010, 12:32 AM
Mark Buehrle just got A LOT more valuable...the Yanks NEED a lefty, especially with A-Gon and Crawford on the BoSox. Who could we get from the Yanks...and who do we want from them if we do trade Buehrle?

I don't see the Sox dealing Mark Buehrle. He is not only one of the backbones of the team but consider this: Minnesota (Mauer, Morneau, Kubel) and Boston (A.Gonzalez, Crawford. Ortiz) both have a lot of lefty hitting. Having possibly three lefty starters is a good thing.

Supposedly the Yanks inquired on Danks at the winter meetings as a fallback option and KW wasn't interested. But:

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/262579268/sherman3_normal.jpg
Joelsherman1 (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1) Joel Sherman
#Whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Whitesox) (who like #Yankees (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Yankees) prospects) would consider moving Jackson/Floyd, #Marlins (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Marlins) Nolasco (Girardi managed him). that is level available
6 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1/status/14543358001152000)

Given Jackson's contract status, I think that Edwin Jackson is the pitcher most likely to be dealt. And the Sox could get a good return for him.

would love to have Brett Gardner on the Sox

Gardner is very similar to Juan Pierre, so I wouldn't do that. I would, however, want to get Curtis Granderson and one of the Yankee catchers in AAA (Jesus Montero or Austin Romine) The Yanks will almost certainly keep Montero, given his hitting potential. But a deal of Jackson for Granderson and Romine might be ok for both teams. The deal would be financially neutral for the Sox, give the Sox excellent defense in the outfield, give the Sox another left handed hitter, give the Sox a right handed hitting catcher too break in behind AJ and free up the Sox to deal Carlos Quentin and/or Tyler Flowers for whatever other needs (bullpen?) the team has.

LoveYourSuit
12-14-2010, 12:33 AM
By Lee leaving the AL, this improves the Sox chances of getting out of the AL to the WS.

I would rank the AL:

1) Yankees
2) Red Sox
3) White Sox
4) Twins
5) Tigers

Notice the AL West not even in the top 5 after a brutal offseason. The AL West might be won with 85 games this next season.

cards press box
12-14-2010, 12:34 AM
By Lee leaving the AL, this improves the Sox chances of getting out of the AL to the WS.

I would rank the AL:

1) Yankees
2) Red Sox
3) White Sox
4) Twins
5) Tigers

Notice the AL West not even in the top 5 after a brutal offseason. The AL West might be won with 85 games this next season.

After the past week, the Red Sox have passed the Yankees.

Rockabilly
12-14-2010, 12:39 AM
I would take the Giants rotation over the Phillies because of them being a lot younger..

JermaineDye05
12-14-2010, 12:44 AM
I would take the Giants rotation over the Phillies because of them being a lot younger..

Right now you have to take the Phillies easily. However, I do agree that the Giants rotation could be just as amazing. The fact of the matter is that the Phillies, in about a year, have taken three aces and added them to their rotation.

The Giants only have one established ace so far. Though, I'm sure with time that Bumgarner could establish himself as an ace, and Cain already showed his potential in the postseason.

WhiteSox5187
12-14-2010, 01:13 AM
Right now you have to take the Phillies easily. However, I do agree that the Giants rotation could be just as amazing. The fact of the matter is that the Phillies, in about a year, have taken three aces and added them to their rotation.

The Giants only have one established ace so far. Though, I'm sure with time that Bumgarner could establish himself as an ace, and Cain already showed his potential in the postseason.

I think that right now the Phillies have the best rotation in baseball and the best team on paper. In a couple of years though the Giants could pass them, especially as that Phillies rotation is old now (though still REAL good).

guillensdisciple
12-14-2010, 01:21 AM
By Lee leaving the AL, this improves the Sox chances of getting out of the AL to the WS.

I would rank the AL:

1) Yankees
2) Red Sox
3) White Sox
4) Twins
5) Tigers

Notice the AL West not even in the top 5 after a brutal offseason. The AL West might be won with 85 games this next season.

Sucks that the Wild Card will most likely be coming out of the East once more. The White Sox might be playing in the most competitive division once you consider that the East has basically dwindled down to only having two teams of significance. Not that I want to see the Twins or Tigers in if the Sox win the division, but I don't know if the Sox can be safely rated the cream of the crop in the division just yet. On paper, absolutely, but I don't want to get ahead of myself.

Fenway
12-14-2010, 06:50 AM
They not taking this well in NY

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/12/14/2010-12-14_another_swing_and_miss_for_bombers_with_lefty_a ce.html

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/12/14/gal_frontpage_dec14.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/12/14/gal_backpage_dec14.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/12/14/covers/back121410.jpg

soxfanatlanta
12-14-2010, 06:55 AM
Well, so much for the NL East being up for grabs! Looks like the Braves will have to go after the wild card...again.

DumpJerry
12-14-2010, 07:01 AM
The Yankee's offer would have caused Lee tax problems.

The Yankees now have $150,000,000 available on November 1, 2011 to throw at Albert Pujols.

BTW, I love it when I get poll choices right.

Fenway
12-14-2010, 07:18 AM
Indeed

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1380.snc4/163241_1691224273161_1014362077_31856396_7738702_n .jpg

Hitmen77
12-14-2010, 08:16 AM
I like how people say this is a rough off season for the Yankees because they haven't been able to outpay everyone for another all-star-type player to add to their already juggernaut-like team.

Boo ****ing hoo

Exactly, the competitive balance in baseball is so screwed up that people are conditioned to the Yankees always gobbling up the top all-stars. When they don't, the reaction is "what went wrong?!"

Wow. I like seeing the Yanks NOT getting what they want for once. I thought I saw somewhere that Lee was taking less $ to go to Philly...Hah, if that's true, I REALLY like.

Agreed!

Fenway
12-14-2010, 08:19 AM
Exactly, the competitive balance in baseball is so screwed up that people are conditioned to the Yankees always gobbling up the top all-stars. When they don't, the reaction is "what went wrong?!"



Agreed!


NY Daily News says he left FIFTY million on table

spawn
12-14-2010, 08:26 AM
I like how people say this is a rough off season for the Yankees because they haven't been able to outpay everyone for another all-star-type player to add to their already juggernaut-like team.

Boo ****ing hoo

No kiding. Let's see...two years ago they signed:

Mark Texeira to 6 years, $180 million
C.C.Sabathia to 7 years, $152 million
A.J.Burnett to 5 years, $82.5 million

This season, no big contracts. What's wrong with the Yankees?!?!?

ewokpelts
12-14-2010, 08:51 AM
The Yankee's offer would have caused Lee tax problems.

The Yankees now have $150,000,000 available on November 1, 2011 to throw at Albert Pujols.

BTW, I love it when I get poll choices right.
i know they're thinking about pujols, but where will he play? texieria is at 1b, arod at 3rd. posada possibly at DH.

russ99
12-14-2010, 08:59 AM
Indeed

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1380.snc4/163241_1691224273161_1014362077_31856396_7738702_n .jpg


So.... when do they trade Oswalt and Halliday?

DumpJerry
12-14-2010, 09:12 AM
I broke the news to the Cub fan in my office about the return of C. Lee to the NL.


He cried and then drank a fifth of Canadian Club.

I did the same thing, but for a different reason.

Hitmen77
12-14-2010, 09:15 AM
NY Daily News says he left FIFTY million on table

It would be interesting to hear Lee's comments on this. Maybe he just feels that he liked playing in Philly, has a good chance to get a WS ring there, and doesn't want to be in the NY pressure cooker. :dunno:

He's still getting $100 million, so maybe after getting that much guaranteed, he feels that he can turn his attention to where he wants to play instead of just squeezing out the most money possible.

cws05champ
12-14-2010, 09:24 AM
Just heard typical delusional Yankees fan on XM radio:

"We didn't want him on a 7 yr deal anyway. We're going to trade Cervelli or Montero to Seattle for King Felix....and then trade Brett Gardner for Matt Garza. Boom."

PKalltheway
12-14-2010, 10:21 AM
Well, so much for the NL East being up for grabs! Looks like the Braves will have to go after the wild card...again.
Looks like the Phillies are becoming what the Braves were in the 1990s. Hey Braves, what goes around, comes around.

I'm just happy that Lee isn't on the Yankees, and that they are getting shut out in the free agent market this year.

Bucky F. Dent
12-14-2010, 10:38 AM
NY Daily News says he left FIFTY million on table


30M according to Jayson Stark. Hell, I spent 30M on bourbon last year!:D:

delben91
12-14-2010, 10:41 AM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/12/14/gal_backpage_dec14.jpg


I love the caption at the bottom that says Lee goes to Phillies for a "bargain price." Man, $120M over 5 years is a bargain? Seems like a pretty good deal for Lee to me.

spawn
12-14-2010, 10:44 AM
I love the caption at the bottom that says Lee goes to Phillies for a "bargain price." Man, $120M over 5 years is a bargain? Seems like a pretty good deal for Lee to me.

Yeah... $24 million a year...what a bargain!

Frater Perdurabo
12-14-2010, 10:48 AM
Lee knows his best chance to get back to the World Series is by playing in the National League.

And being added to what already is an outstanding rotation on a team that recently went to two World Series (winning one), and made the ALCS last year, gives him an even better shot.

The guy wants to win, period.

Frater Perdurabo
12-14-2010, 10:53 AM
This is great for the Sox. Lee is out of the AL so no other AL team got stronger by adding him.

The Rangers will now try to deal for Greinke. This will weaken a team the Sox face 18 times a year. Now they won't face Greinke 4-5 times a year, and instead will face a much worse pitcher in those games against KC.

guillensdisciple
12-14-2010, 11:42 AM
This is great for the Sox. Lee is out of the AL so no other AL team got stronger by adding him.

The Rangers will now try to deal for Greinke. This will weaken a team the Sox face 18 times a year. Now they won't face Greinke 4-5 times a year, and instead will face a much worse pitcher in those games against KC.

Greinke was not our problem against the Royals, we were our own problem against the Royals.

spongyfungy
12-14-2010, 11:47 AM
I love the caption at the bottom that says Lee goes to Phillies for a "bargain price." Man, $120M over 5 years is a bargain? Seems like a pretty good deal for Lee to me.

Isn't it 5 years 100 million?

PaleHoser
12-14-2010, 11:52 AM
I submit that Cliff Lee's agent is a genius.

Lee gets an average of $24M per year to pitch in the National League. That's $700K per start to work through a lineup 3-4 times with up to six major league hitters in it. The Phillies have the deepest lineup in the NL, and they're on his side to boot.

Why would any sane man choose to pitch in the American League at similar dollars?

Domeshot17
12-14-2010, 01:26 PM
To be fair, a lot of sources are reporting Lee chose Philly because it is where he and his wife wanted to live and loved his stay there.

Fenway
12-14-2010, 01:42 PM
Typical NY writer cries

This one hurts more than LeBron did (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/columns/story?columnist=oconnor_ian&id=5917847)

doublem23
12-14-2010, 01:50 PM
Typical NY writer cries

This one hurts more than LeBron did (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/columns/story?columnist=oconnor_ian&id=5917847)

At least he's brutally honest about it rather than the chowderheads who have been spewing garbage all day, "Yeah, well, we really didn't want Cliff anyways," bla bla bla.

The Yankees lost big time and anyone trying to convince themselves otherwise is full of crap.

gogosox675
12-14-2010, 03:04 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Did-the-Phillies-really-NEED-to-sign-Cliff-Lee-;_ylt=Aq5vWg7rZdFB4fgw9cU_oOc5nYcB?urn=mlb-295532

How dare the Phillies add a great starting pitcher to their rotation!

MUsoxfan
12-14-2010, 03:24 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Did-the-Phillies-really-NEED-to-sign-Cliff-Lee-;_ylt=Aq5vWg7rZdFB4fgw9cU_oOc5nYcB?urn=mlb-295532

How dare the Phillies add a great starting pitcher to their rotation!

I can't believe the writer suggests they would've made better use of their money replacing Rollins, Utley and Howard

doublem23
12-14-2010, 03:25 PM
I can't believe the writer suggests they would've made better use of their money replacing Rollins, Utley and Howard

I don't think he suggested replacing those guys, I think he was suggesting fortifying their offense, which has been great the last few years, but has all the signs of crashing back down to Earth soon. Especially with Werth moving to the Beltway, there's space for the Phillies to try and land another bat.

Fenway
12-14-2010, 03:28 PM
http://www.hobartpulp.com/website/april/phanatic1.jpg

cards press box
12-14-2010, 04:04 PM
OK, how about this for a possible three-way deal and this is pure speculation on my part:

(1) Sox deal Carlos Quentin to Phillies for Joe Blanton and Jose Contreras

and

(2) Sox then deal Blanton to the Yankees for Curtis Granderson.

In essence, the Sox would have dealt TCQ for a lefty hitting, good defensive CF and a good bridge man for the bullpen.

Any thoughts?

asindc
12-14-2010, 04:28 PM
OK, how about this for a possible three-way deal and this is pure speculation on my part:

(1) Sox deal Carlos Quentin to Phillies for Joe Blanton and Jose Contreras

and

(2) Sox then deal Blanton to the Yankees for Curtis Granderson.

In essence, the Sox would have dealt TCQ for a lefty hitting, good defensive CF and a good bridge man for the bullpen.

Any thoughts?

I could live with that if NYY sent some money with Granderson. But I don't see the NYY doing it for the same reasons we would want to do it.

BleacherBandit
12-14-2010, 04:29 PM
(2) Sox then deal Blanton to the Yankees for Curtis Granderson.

In essence, the Sox would have dealt TCQ for a lefty hitting, good defensive CF and a good bridge man for the bullpen.

Any thoughts?

Despite how desperate you believe the Yankees are for starting pitching, what would make you think they would EVER trade Blanton for Granderson straight-up?

cards press box
12-14-2010, 04:36 PM
Despite how desperate you believe the Yankees are for starting pitching, what would make you think they would EVER trade Blanton for Granderson straight-up?

I know that Blanton struggled last year but guess what? Granderson did, too. In fact, Granderson is coming off of back to back years of hitting .249 and .247 w/ OBP's of .327 and .324. He has struggled at the plate, as has TCQ. And Blanton has struggled on the mound.

The three-way deal that I threw out there would give each player a "change of scenery" and would fill a need (i.e., a RF for the Phillies, a starter for the Yanks and lefty hitting CF for the Sox).

VMSNS
12-15-2010, 02:55 PM
Grasping for straws in New York...funny how this guy says the Yanks have "one of the best farm systems in baseball".

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/yanks_have_survived_worse_hits_B4cRN6tMNKqQaPV7EEe EiM#comments_block

The fallout from this Lee situation in NY is hilarious, especailly reading a lot of comments from Yankee fans.

Fenway
12-15-2010, 02:59 PM
That is tame

The WSI of Yankeeland has imploded

http://forums.nyyfans.com/forumdisplay.php/127-Inside-the-Lines?

asindc
12-15-2010, 03:20 PM
It seems that quite a few guys over at nyyfans want Buehrle, thinking they would not have to give up much from their farm to get him (I guess that assumes they would be taking on his entire salary). While I seriously doubt Buehrle would waive his NTC to play in NY, I doubt it even more that KW is trading any starter at this point unless he is blown away.

Fenway
12-15-2010, 05:52 PM
Lee said it wasn't rowdy NY fans

He simply wanted to return to Philadelphia

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/phillies_lee_finalize_year_million_CrPPJleDm5LUNDb P99fAGL

Fenway
12-22-2010, 11:36 AM
Been a week and they STILL crying in NY

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/12/22/gal_backpage_1222.jpg

vinny
12-22-2010, 11:40 AM
Been a week and they STILL crying in NY

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/12/22/gal_backpage_1222.jpg

Boo ****ing hoo. I'm sure they'll find someone else to lavish with a large contract.

soltrain21
12-22-2010, 11:42 AM
Would have made more sense to pick a picture with him in a Phillies uniform since he has already played there (so they exist without Photoshop) and the red and white match Santa.

IDIOTS.