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JermaineDye05
12-08-2010, 11:33 PM
:angry::angry::angry:

Source: The Red Sox have a seven-year, $142 million deal done with Carl Crawford. 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/12725805905879040) via Twitter for iPhone (http://twitter.com/) Retweeted by 12 people
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Confirmed: #Red (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Red) Sox in agreement with Crawford. 7 yrs/142M. First reported by Boston Globe. #Angels (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Angels) #MLB (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MLB) less than 20 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/12728109514100736) via Twitter for BlackBerry® (http://blackberry.com/twitter) Retweeted by 3 people
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DirtySox
12-08-2010, 11:36 PM
Puke.

Rockabilly
12-08-2010, 11:36 PM
WOW!! They're going to be tough to beat

spawn
12-08-2010, 11:38 PM
They've just made themselves more competetive for the Sox. :redneck

DumpJerry
12-08-2010, 11:40 PM
Big money, long term, guaranteed contract=slacker from now on.

Exhibit A: Albert Haynesworth.
Exhibit B: Barry Zito

WhiteSox5187
12-08-2010, 11:41 PM
Were they the front runners for Crawford all along? I know Anahiem was rumored to make a run at him.

JermaineDye05
12-08-2010, 11:41 PM
The day started off so good too.

soxnut1018
12-08-2010, 11:41 PM
:angry::whiner::angry:

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 11:41 PM
I hope he wrecks his knees and becomes worthless over the remainder of said contract. :)

JermaineDye05
12-08-2010, 11:41 PM
Big money, long term, guaranteed contract=slacker from now on.

Exhibit A: Albert Haynesworth.
Exhibit B: Barry Zito

People said the same thing about Rios. I wouldn't put too much credence to that.

JermaineDye05
12-08-2010, 11:42 PM
I hope he wrecks his knees and becomes worthless over the remainder of said contract. :)

I hope we sweep them in the first round.

doublem23
12-08-2010, 11:43 PM
That should help their pitching staff

CHISOXFAN13
12-08-2010, 11:44 PM
Pretty horrendous offseason for the Angels to this point.

They better sign Beltre before its a complete flop.

Boondock Saint
12-08-2010, 11:45 PM
The hell with the both Crawford and Boston.

Fenway
12-08-2010, 11:50 PM
The hell with the both Crawford and Boston.

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2812/soxbaseball200410307tj.jpg

We love you too

Fenway
12-08-2010, 11:56 PM
Ken Rosenthal

Crawford highest-paid OF in baseball history - $20.2M per season. Ninth biggest contract of all-time.

Now all we need is Cliff Lee

Dibbs
12-08-2010, 11:56 PM
There is no way that dude is worth $20mil. I think he is one of the most overrated players out there.

Fenway
12-08-2010, 11:57 PM
one thing is obvious...now they will move Ellsbury

JermaineDye05
12-08-2010, 11:59 PM
Theo Epstein and the Red Sox=

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soltrain21
12-09-2010, 12:00 AM
I hate baseball.

DirtySox
12-09-2010, 12:02 AM
I hate baseball.

The Red Sox and the Yankees truly are one in the same. It's disgusting.

JermaineDye05
12-09-2010, 12:02 AM
Crawford has never reached 20 HR in a season or 100 RBI

That's not saying he's not a great player. He's just not 20+ million.

Nice job, Mike Rizzo.

soltrain21
12-09-2010, 12:04 AM
Crawford has never reached 20 HR in a season or 100 RBI

That's not saying he's not a great player. He's just not 20+ million.

Nice job, Mike Rizzo.

I don't care about what Mike Rizzo did. At least it was a ****ing team that wasn't the Red Sox or Yankees scooping up every player.

It sucks.

soxinem1
12-09-2010, 12:06 AM
People said the same thing about Rios. I wouldn't put too much credence to that.

So far they have been right about all except five months of it.

DirtySox
12-09-2010, 12:10 AM
Boston committed $302 million this week to two players.

At some point the Red Sox and Yankees will merge to become one unholy soul devouring entity that will consume everything that is good and righteous.

JermaineDye05
12-09-2010, 12:11 AM
Boston committed $302 million this week to two players.

At some point the Red Sox and Yankees will merge to become one unholy soul devouring entity that will consume everything that is good and righteous.

You mean Wal-Mart?

Fenway
12-09-2010, 12:22 AM
We here at ESPN are thrilled

http://www.fenwayparkwriters.org/images/LindaCohn2.jpg

WFEvN8SYaDU

Wally is overjoyed

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JermaineDye05
12-09-2010, 12:25 AM
We here at ESPN are thrilled

http://www.fenwayparkwriters.org/images/LindaCohn2.jpg

WFEvN8SYaDU

Wally is overjoyed

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Luke is in disbelief

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CubsfansareDRUNK
12-09-2010, 12:30 AM
Say it aint so :(:

Blueprint1
12-09-2010, 12:38 AM
I remember why I don't like ESPN.

kittle42
12-09-2010, 12:40 AM
It will be all of us laughing when they make a first-round exit.

The offseason always reminds me why my list of hated teams really should be: Red Sox/Yankees; then Cubs/Twins.

At least neither the Cubs nor the Twins have managed to decimate half the league's competitiveness.

doublem23
12-09-2010, 12:42 AM
I remember why I don't like ESPN.

Yeah, where's that poster who says our dislike of Boston & ESPN is ridiculous? He needs to visit this thread.

:rolleyes:

kittle42
12-09-2010, 12:43 AM
Yeah, where's that poster who says our dislike of Boston & ESPN is ridiculous? He needs to visit this thread.

:rolleyes:

How much better off would baseball be had Boston never won those World Series last decade?

Fenway
12-09-2010, 12:48 AM
Red Sox tickets go on sale this Saturday at 10 AM

all of New England will see

http://tinyurl.com/286c456

A combined $296 million committed to Crawford and Gonzalez. anyone want to say Liverpool soccer team is an issue?

NDSox12
12-09-2010, 12:48 AM
So... how long before the Yankees announce the Cliff Lee signing?

1989
12-09-2010, 12:52 AM
20 Million a year for a player that has a career OPS of .708 in Fenway? Big mistake. For a player whose game is built on speed like Crawford's, signing him to this big of a deal is just a horrible allocation of resources. Very un-Theo-like.

JermaineDye05
12-09-2010, 12:54 AM
Sawx also apparently offered Lee a 7 year deal just to screw with the Yankees according to Ken Rosenthal.

soltrain21
12-09-2010, 12:56 AM
Sawx also apparently offered Lee a 7 year deal just to screw with the Yankees according to Ken Rosenthal.

It's amazing how much more I hate the Red Sox than I hate the Yankees.

doublem23
12-09-2010, 12:57 AM
It's amazing how much more I hate the Red Sox than I hate the Yankees.

At least Yankee fans are polite enough to keep their smug arrogance to themselves.

DirtySox
12-09-2010, 12:58 AM
It's amazing how much more I hate the Red Sox than I hate the Yankees.

This.

Fenway
12-09-2010, 01:08 AM
I dunno Ted - maybe we were born too early

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/files/t_30613.jpg

DSpivack
12-09-2010, 01:14 AM
At least Yankee fans are polite enough to keep their smug arrogance to themselves.

And 27 World Series titles and the fact that they live in New ****ing York to back it up.

Boston? Hah.

WhiteSox5187
12-09-2010, 01:16 AM
Pujols has to be licking his lips in anticipation of his next contract. If Werth gets $17 million and Crawford is getting $20 million, how much is Pujols worth? $25??

Fenway
12-09-2010, 01:18 AM
At least Yankee fans are polite enough to keep their smug arrogance to themselves.

http://joyofsox.blogspot.com/time.jpg

DSpivack
12-09-2010, 01:27 AM
Pujols has to be licking his lips in anticipation of his next contract. If Werth gets $17 million and Crawford is getting $20 million, how much is Pujols worth? $25??

I expect north of $30 million/yr.

JermaineDye05
12-09-2010, 01:29 AM
Pujols has to be licking his lips in anticipation of his next contract. If Werth gets $17 million and Crawford is getting $20 million, how much is Pujols worth? $25??

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per at-bat.

cards press box
12-09-2010, 01:48 AM
At least Yankee fans are polite enough to keep their smug arrogance to themselves.

Not when they visit U.S. Cellular Field. But I do concede that when members of Red Sox Nation visit the Cell, they are annoying in their own right.

Lowell80
12-09-2010, 02:06 AM
RED SOX sign Carl Crawford for 7 years--142 Million --Go Figure

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-09-2010, 02:16 AM
RED SOX sign Carl Crawford for 7 years--142 Million --Go Figure

Wrong forum, and we already have a thread about it there (Talking Baseball).

Boondock Saint
12-09-2010, 03:27 AM
RED SOX sign Carl Crawford for 7 years--142 Million --Go Figure

Yeah, you've really got us thinking you're disappointed in this, what with your username and prolific non-Red Sox posting history.

Lillian
12-09-2010, 04:23 AM
Pujols has to be licking his lips in anticipation of his next contract. If Werth gets $17 million and Crawford is getting $20 million, how much is Pujols worth? $25??

Based upon Crawford's insane deal, I'd say Pujols is worth at least $30 million.

Don't worry, the Red Sox will regret this one more than any of you think.
Just wait until we're in the middle of the coming deflationary depression.
That contract will be a disaster.

SOXSINCE'70
12-09-2010, 07:21 AM
Red Sox tickets go on sale this Saturday at 10 AM

all of New England will see

http://tinyurl.com/286c456

A combined $296 million committed to Crawford and Gonzalez. anyone want to say Liverpool soccer team is an issue?

And the White Sox have done NOTHING this offseason!!
Spend, Kenny, spend!!!!:D:

tstrike2000
12-09-2010, 07:32 AM
Good Lord.

gobears1987
12-09-2010, 07:41 AM
I hope this turns out like the Barry Zito contract.

tstrike2000
12-09-2010, 07:48 AM
There is no way that dude is worth $20mil. I think he is one of the most overrated players out there.

I don't think he's really overrated, but that 20 million is just the going rate for Crawford since he does everything, especially with the Werth signing.

cws05champ
12-09-2010, 08:28 AM
I think this starts to make Alex Rios salary look pretty good right about now...:D:

g0g0
12-09-2010, 08:37 AM
Red Sox are quietly building for the next decade. So they've spent $300 mil this offseason so far??

Fenway
12-09-2010, 08:37 AM
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/12/09/sox_sign_up_crawford_for_142m/?p1=News_links

Anaheim went 7 years - $108M and Boston then pounced

asindc
12-09-2010, 08:45 AM
Ugh. Not good news to wake up to. I hate the Boston Red Sox, particularly their never-been-to-New-England-let-alone-lived-there-but-became-a-fan-in-2004 bandwagon fans. On the bright side, with left-hitting Crawford's speed game not likely to play well in Fenway over the long term, this is not likely to be a contract that gives Boston a positive return on investment.

Let's see, the Sox have committed $93.5 million to two top-tier players for a combined seven playing years, while Boston has committed $142 million to one top-tier player (not counting, of course, the other top-tier player they signed this week) for a combined seven playing years. I think it can be argued that Crawford is/will be better than either Dunn or Konerko, but no way can it be argued that Crawford is/will be $48.5 million better than Dunn and Konerko combined.

Fenway
12-09-2010, 08:56 AM
http://www.csnne.com/12/09/10/Sox-stun-baseball-world----except-in-the/landing_redsox.html?blockID=369662&feedID=3352

Viva Medias B's
12-09-2010, 09:04 AM
This is just obscene. On "Morning Joe," Scarborough and Barnicle (both big Red Sox fans) were practically wetting themselves over this.

Fenway
12-09-2010, 09:19 AM
I will say this over and over..

If you are in the same division as the New York Yankees you have to spend...

I think a team like Pittsburgh is much worse...where ownership collects the revenue sharing and makes a big profit while putting a AAA roster on the field.

The Red Sox keep fighting - Baltimore gave up 10 years ago

cws05champ
12-09-2010, 09:23 AM
I will say this over and over..

If you are in the same division as the New York Yankees you have to spend...

I think a team like Pittsburgh is much worse...where ownership collects the revenue sharing and makes a big profit while putting a AAA roster on the field.

The Red Sox keep fighting - Baltimore gave up 10 years ago
Did you just compare the Pirates to the Red Sox???

Fenway
12-09-2010, 09:36 AM
Did you just compare the Pirates to the Red Sox???

New England fans pay through the nose to go to Fenway but in return the ownership gets the best talent they can.

MLB has to pass rule that if a team gets revenue sharing - ALL that money must be applied to payroll...

soltrain21
12-09-2010, 09:45 AM
New England fans pay through the nose to go to Fenway but in return the ownership gets the best talent they can.

MLB has to pass rule that if a team gets revenue sharing - ALL that money must be applied to payroll...

So they can still get outbid by the Red Sox or Yankees because they will spend money like crazy and then the team, being forced to have to spend money, spends way too much on ****ty players since they have to?

That won't fix it.

spawn
12-09-2010, 09:47 AM
So they can still get outbid by the Red Sox or Yankees because they will spend money like crazy and then the team, being forced to have to spend money, spends way too much on ****ty players since they have to?

That won't fix it.

Exactly.

CHISOXFAN13
12-09-2010, 09:48 AM
I love when teams outbid their competition by $34 million for no apparent reason.

TheOldRoman
12-09-2010, 09:50 AM
And 27 World Series titles and the fact that they live in New ****ing York to back it up.

Boston? Hah.I would rather not live in New York, but that is just me. I agree that I hate the Red Sox much more than the Yankees at this point, and I was one of the dumbasses rooting for them in 2004.

If baseball isn't going to put in a hard salary cap, they at least need a Yankees/Boston rule. The Yanks' payroll is going to be around $225 million, the Red Sox' is going to be around $175, and nobody else will be within $35 million of them. We need a rule which places crippling penalties on any team to go over, say $150 million. That way it would only hurt those two teams. We will never see that, but it would help greatly.

asindc
12-09-2010, 10:05 AM
I love when teams outbid their competition by $34 million for no apparent reason.

Now, now, don't dismiss the genius of Epstein. After all, it takes a shrewd operator to overbid your next competitor by $34 million for an OF when you are already paying a 35-year old OF $14 million and a 37-year old OF $7.25 million.

LoveYourSuit
12-09-2010, 10:06 AM
There is no way that dude is worth $20mil. I think he is one of the most overrated players out there.


I couldn't agree more.

A great part of the guy's game is his legs, with age, you lose it.

Is he going to be a $20 million player when he can no longer run as good as he does right now.

This is one stupid contract.


Dunn and Konerko appear to be bargains with how stupid teams have gotten lately.

LoveYourSuit
12-09-2010, 10:11 AM
I will say this over and over..

If you are in the same division as the New York Yankees you have to spend...

I think a team like Pittsburgh is much worse...where ownership collects the revenue sharing and makes a big profit while putting a AAA roster on the field.

The Red Sox keep fighting - Baltimore gave up 10 years ago


Baltimore and Toronto have ZERO chance to compete going forward. ZERO. I think TB is joining them here soon with this offseason and no stadium deal.

Congratulations Zelig :rolleyes:

Rocky Soprano
12-09-2010, 10:16 AM
Now, now, don't dismiss the genius of Epstein. After all, it takes a shrewd operator to overbid your next competitor by $34 million for an OF when you are already paying a 35-year old OF $14 million and a 37-year old OF $7.25 million.

Exactly!
Give me a stack of blank checks to write and I too can be a "genius GM."

I know most hate the idea of a salary cap but when the same Yankee/Red Sox song is all that we hear, it is time for something to change.

Risk
12-09-2010, 10:16 AM
Ugh...

I can't stand either team. But I really can't fathom the notion of why Red Sox fans think that acting like the Evil Empire and doing exactly what they do makes their team any less bad for baseball.

But hey, I guess Selig is right--MLB doesn't need a salary cap at all.:rolleyes:

Risk

kobo
12-09-2010, 10:17 AM
It's amazing how much more I hate the Red Sox than I hate the Yankees.
Same.

sox1970
12-09-2010, 10:20 AM
Baltimore and Toronto have ZERO chance to compete going forward. ZERO. I think TB is joining them here soon with this offseason and no stadium deal.

Congratulations Zelig :rolleyes:

That's why they should eliminate divisions, and just send the top 4 teams to the playoffs. The other teams in the east have no incentive to compete. If you freed them from the Yankees and Red Sox, they would at least have a fighting chance.

kobo
12-09-2010, 10:25 AM
That's why they should eliminate divisions, and just send the top 4 teams to the playoffs. The other teams in the east have no incentive to compete. If you freed them from the Yankees and Red Sox, they would at least have a fighting chance.
If you eliminate divisions then all of the teams in the AL would be forced to compete against the Yankees and Red Sox. How is that better?

spawn
12-09-2010, 10:28 AM
That's why they should eliminate divisions, and just send the top 4 teams to the playoffs. The other teams in the east have no incentive to compete. If you freed them from the Yankees and Red Sox, they would at least have a fighting chance.

Just make the Yankees and Red Sox have their own division to themselves, since they only seem to be acquiring players to compete against themselves. Then they can have their own World Series too. I hate them both.

sox1970
12-09-2010, 10:31 AM
If you eliminate divisions then all of the teams in the AL would be forced to compete against the Yankees and Red Sox. How is that better?

Assuming the Yankees and Red Sox make the playoffs every year, there are two (and probably three in a couple years) other playoff spots to go for. It would be more fair for the Blue Jays, Orioles, and Rays to compete for those spots without having to be in a constant state of rebuilding.

And once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen. That's been clear for the last decade.

SI1020
12-09-2010, 10:32 AM
Ugh. Not good news to wake up to. I hate the Boston Red Sox, particularly their never-been-to-New-England-let-alone-lived-there-but-became-a-fan-in-2004 bandwagon fans. You're so right about that. These so called fans know very little about their favorite team or its history. No clue about Malzone, Yaz, Tony C, or Monbo. They just know they are so cool because they are Red Sawx fans. On another note, and I'll make it brief. Baseball is now insanely divorced from the current economic reality. It doesn't bode well for the Red Sox or any other team in the league.

TheOldRoman
12-09-2010, 10:42 AM
Just make the Yankees and Red Sox have their own division to themselves, since they only seem to be acquiring players to compete against themselves. Then they can have their own World Series too. I hate them both.So, instead if playing 4 division rivals 18 times each, they would play eachother 90 times? Oh, God. Every day would be like Christmas for ESPN.

Fenway
12-09-2010, 10:45 AM
TO ALL THE RED SOX HATERS - READ THIS (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2010/12/red_sox_speak_loudly_carry_big.html?p1=News_links)

spawn
12-09-2010, 10:45 AM
So, instead if playing 4 division rivals 18 times each, they would play eachother 90 times? Oh, God. Every day would be like Christmas for ESPN.

Yep! Meanwhile, every fan of a team that isn't the Yankees or Red Sox can watch the MLB network for unbiased baseball coverage.

spawn
12-09-2010, 10:46 AM
TO ALL THE RED SOX HATERS - READ THIS (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2010/12/red_sox_speak_loudly_carry_big.html?p1=News_links)

Oh, cry me a ****ing river. :whiner:

GoSox2K3
12-09-2010, 10:53 AM
The Red Sox and the Yankees truly are one in the same. It's disgusting.

But, but....what about the Mets and the Cubs! They spend money and have bad teams. Therefore, everything is fine in MLB and the Yankees and Red Sox aren't buying permanent spots in the playoffs! I keep hearing people use the Mets and Cubs as an excuse that MLB's competitive balance isn't messed up. Those two high payroll teams can't even come close to sniffing what the Red Sox and Yankees are doing. Anyone who doesn't see that is just blind.

....oh, and does mean that Adrian Gonzalez will still have to wait until April for his extension so that the BoSox don't trigger the luxury tax?:rolleyes:

Fenway
12-09-2010, 10:54 AM
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russ99
12-09-2010, 11:04 AM
I have a bit of a new perspective after going to Fenway this summer.

There's two kinds of Red Sox fans:

1) The local faithful, which are pleasant, knowledgable, respectful to other fans and pretty much on par with Sox fans for not only their passion for their team but are open to criticize when the team plays poorly or when management screws up.

2) The traveling circus of douchebags. People who are Red Sox fans because they're popular or on ESPN all the time; who are loud, obnoxious, bandwagoners, and act like the frat crowd at Wrigley and care more about the scene than the baseball.

I'm not going to condemn a fanbase due to the actions of group 2, who sadly are the group we hear from a heck of a lot more and are primarily the ones that invade our ballpark for three games each summer.

kittle42
12-09-2010, 11:05 AM
Baltimore and Toronto have ZERO chance to compete going forward. ZERO. I think TB is joining them here soon with this offseason and no stadium deal.

Congratulations Zelig :rolleyes:

He has a solution! Expand the playoffs!

kittle42
12-09-2010, 11:07 AM
TO ALL THE RED SOX HATERS - READ THIS (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2010/12/red_sox_speak_loudly_carry_big.html?p1=News_links)

Perhaps the Sons of Sam Horn would appreciate your post.

kobo
12-09-2010, 11:14 AM
TO ALL THE RED SOX HATERS - READ THIS (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2010/12/red_sox_speak_loudly_carry_big.html?p1=News_links)
What point are you trying to make? I just wasted 5 minutes reading a fluff piece about the Red Sox.

kobo
12-09-2010, 11:15 AM
But, but....what about the Mets and the Cubs! They spend money and have bad teams. Therefore, everything is fine in MLB and the Yankees and Red Sox aren't buying permanent spots in the playoffs! I keep hearing people use the Mets and Cubs as an excuse that MLB's competitive balance isn't messed up. Those two high payroll teams can't even come close to sniffing what the Red Sox and Yankees are doing. Anyone who doesn't see that is just blind.

....oh, and does mean that Adrian Gonzalez will still have to wait until April for his extension so that the BoSox don't trigger the luxury tax?:rolleyes:

I think that was the plan when they made the trade.

Rocky Soprano
12-09-2010, 11:25 AM
What point are you trying to make? I just wasted 5 minutes reading a fluff piece about the Red Sox.

Did you really think he would post something negative about the Red Cubs?

Hitmen77
12-09-2010, 11:35 AM
The Red Sox and the Yankees truly are one in the same. It's disgusting.

Agreed. We saw what happened after the Yankees dared not make the playoffs in 2008. They bought themselves a Cy Young and MVP candidate for the following year. Same thing with the Red Sox now, they dared not make the playoffs in 2010, but rest assured that affront to baseball mystique will be rectified by a $300 million spending spree.

Either Bos or NYY has been in the ALCS for 10 of the last 13 years (and 3 of those times featured both teams). This is quickly becoming a permanent arrangement in MLB. Why should fans in Baltimore or Toronto even bother watching baseball anymore?

Just make the Yankees and Red Sox have their own division to themselves, since they only seem to be acquiring players to compete against themselves. Then they can have their own World Series too. I hate them both.

Why not? they're the only two teams in baseball that count anyway according to some people.

New England fans pay through the nose to go to Fenway but in return the ownership gets the best talent they can.

MLB has to pass rule that if a team gets revenue sharing - ALL that money must be applied to payroll...

So they can still get outbid by the Red Sox or Yankees because they will spend money like crazy and then the team, being forced to have to spend money, spends way too much on ****ty players since they have to?
That won't fix it.

I think this can be part of the solution (to avoid the Pittsburghs and Floridas from just making a profit off of revenue sharing), but it has to be more than just that. Maybe that money needs to be spread around some more....and not just to the bottom feeders. Other competitive teams can find ways to close the gap between them and NYY/Bos if they had another $X million in payroll revenue sent their way. I'm sure if the White Sox were to get such money, they wouldn't be "forced to spend it on ****ty players".

If baseball isn't going to put in a hard salary cap, they at least need a Yankees/Boston rule. The Yanks' payroll is going to be around $225 million, the Red Sox' is going to be around $175, and nobody else will be within $35 million of them. We need a rule which places crippling penalties on any team to go over, say $150 million. That way it would only hurt those two teams. We will never see that, but it would help greatly.

Instead of looking at hard salary caps, how about looking at caps on "payroll gaps". The top team cannot spend more than $x million more than the 2nd top spending team (the Yankees outspending the Red Sox by $50 million is ridiculous). The 2nd highest spending team cannot outspend team #3 by more than $x million. This doesn't need to be done all the way through the teams because, let's be honest here, it's just the Yankees and Red Sox who are totally going to ridiculous levels here and making essentially permanent locks on playoff spots.

spawn
12-09-2010, 11:40 AM
What point are you trying to make? I just wasted 5 minutes reading a fluff piece about the Red Sox.

That the poor Red Sox fans were upset with the product on the field, the other Boston gems have a chance at a championship in their respective sports, and Red Sox management is fielding a team the poor, suffering Red Sox fans can be proud of, because they may be as good, if not better than the Yankees. Whoopdee-****ing-doo.

Fenway
12-09-2010, 11:47 AM
Why not, they're the only two teams in baseball that count anyway according to some people.




Damn right
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http://goo.gl/maps/j7qI

asindc
12-09-2010, 11:50 AM
Damn right
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0917/pg2_a_espnbristol_580.jpg

http://goo.gl/maps/j7qI

Thank God for the MLB Network, and I thank Fios for providing it at no extra charge. I can't remember the last time I watched BBTN on ESPN.*



*This post has been approved by the fans of 28 MLB teams. No need to guess which ones.

Rocky Soprano
12-09-2010, 11:51 AM
Damn right


http://goo.gl/maps/j7qI

Your shtick is old.

spawn
12-09-2010, 12:03 PM
Thank God for the MLB Network, and I thank Fios for providing it at no extra charge. I can't remember the last time I watched BBTN on ESPN.*



*This post has been approved by the fans of 28 MLB teams. No need to guess which ones.

I didn't watch it at all last season. The MLB Network wad a Godsend.

Nellie_Fox
12-09-2010, 12:06 PM
MLB has to pass rule that if a team gets revenue sharing - ALL that money must be applied to payroll...Only a payroll floor would accomplish anything. Requiring revenue sharing money to be applied to payroll would just be a bookkeeping shuffle. Every dollar of revenue sharing money would free up a dollar of regular revenue.

Damn right
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0917/pg2_a_espnbristol_580.jpg

http://goo.gl/maps/j7qIThe couldn't have put ESPN headquarters more perfectly midway between New York City and Boston if they tried.

Fenway
12-09-2010, 12:14 PM
Only a payroll floor would accomplish anything. Requiring revenue sharing money to be applied to payroll would just be a bookkeeping shuffle. Every dollar of revenue sharing money would free up a dollar of regular revenue.

The couldn't have put ESPN headquarters more perfectly midway between New York City and Boston if they tried.

ESPN to Fenway Park 115 miles

ESPN to Yankee Stadium 97 miles

Boondock Saint
12-09-2010, 12:18 PM
ESPN to Fenway Park 115 miles

ESPN to Yankee Stadium 97 miles


Well, there's our proof. ESPN hates Boston. :rolleyes:

cws05champ
12-09-2010, 12:34 PM
Instead of looking at hard salary caps, how about looking at caps on "payroll gaps". The top team cannot spend more than $x million more than the 2nd top spending team (the Yankees outspending the Red Sox by $50 million is ridiculous). The 2nd highest spending team cannot outspend team #3 by more than $x million. This doesn't need to be done all the way through the teams because, let's be honest here, it's just the Yankees and Red Sox who are totally going to ridiculous levels here and making essentially permanent locks on playoff spots.

I don't think you can do it on payroll gaps...that would be too complex. As suggested before, instead of a salary cap, make it really financially painful to go over a number like $150M. If you impose a penalty for revenue sharing that you have to match $ for $ every $ you spend over $150M. For example if the Yanks payroll was $225M then their penalty would be $75M. Which would effectively bring their payroll o $300M.

Of course there would need to be a salary floor as well in this scenario so teams are not pocketing money instead of spending that for competitive balance.

palehozenychicty
12-09-2010, 12:39 PM
If I were Boston, I'd play Crawford in Center or Right. His speed would be wasted in that left field sandbox. They can find someone to take Drew, since his deal is up after this season (I think?).

soxfanatlanta
12-09-2010, 12:45 PM
I'm not too upset over the two headed monster of the Northeast gobbling up all the "top talent". I do feel sorry for Tampa though; they lost a home grown player to a rival in their division; unless their younger players develop into something special, it's going to be years before they compete.

palehozenychicty
12-09-2010, 12:54 PM
I'm not too upset over the two headed monster of the Northeast gobbling up all the "top talent". I do feel sorry for Tampa though; they lost a home grown player to a rival in their division; unless their younger players develop into something special, it's going to be years before they compete.


Which is why people in certain regions have stopped following the game. You know now that you have a short window to compete, and it's tantamount to cash in. They still have some talent, but not enough anymore. 2008 was their year, and the weather did them in.

thomas35forever
12-09-2010, 01:20 PM
At least ESPN can be at peace now knowing they won't have to cover those pesky Rays who mess up how the AL East should be anymore.

central44
12-09-2010, 01:40 PM
I just wish ESPN would call them the "Red Sox." It drives me nuts every time they're referred to as "The Sox." Maybe it's just a pet peeve for me but it seems to be a recurring thing with them.

WizardsofOzzie
12-09-2010, 01:42 PM
TO ALL THE RED SOX HATERS - READ THIS (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2010/12/red_sox_speak_loudly_carry_big.html?p1=News_links)

AKA The fan base of nearly every MLB team with maybe the Cubs as an exception.

gregoriop
12-09-2010, 01:57 PM
TO ALL THE RED SOX HATERS - READ THIS (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2010/12/red_sox_speak_loudly_carry_big.html?p1=News_links)


Naw I'm good.

Domeshot17
12-09-2010, 02:00 PM
Boston fans are like the nerdy kid that shows up to a party. They try and act like they matter, In their own minds they think they are far better than anyone else. They refuse to admit they will always live in someone else's shadow and the rest of the party just wishes they would shut up and go away.

Congrats Boston, you just spent 18-20 mil a year on an overrated OF who will lose his best asset over time. This reminds me very much of the AJ Burnett signing

DSpivack
12-09-2010, 02:05 PM
I just wish ESPN would call them the "Red Sox." It drives me nuts every time they're referred to as "The Sox." Maybe it's just a pet peeve for me but it seems to be a recurring thing with them.

:?:

The Yankees aren't called the Sawx, the Sawx are. What other names do they need to know?

sox1970
12-09-2010, 02:06 PM
Crawford has done nothing in Fenway. I'm sure he'll improve, but...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats.cgi?full=1&params=site|BOS07|crawfca02|bat|AB|

JermaineDye05
12-09-2010, 02:11 PM
Crawford has done nothing in Fenway. I'm sure he'll improve, but...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats.cgi?full=1&params=site|BOS07|crawfca02|bat|AB| (http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats.cgi?full=1&params=site%7CBOS07%7Ccrawfca02%7Cbat%7CAB%7C)

I believe I saw a tweet that also noted some GMs as saying that they felt that Crawford's talents would be wasted in the cramped LF of Fenway.

SI1020
12-09-2010, 02:12 PM
I have a bit of a new perspective after going to Fenway this summer.

There's two kinds of Red Sox fans:

1) The local faithful, which are pleasant, knowledgable, respectful to other fans and pretty much on par with Sox fans for not only their passion for their team but are open to criticize when the team plays poorly or when management screws up.

2) The traveling circus of douchebags. People who are Red Sox fans because they're popular or on ESPN all the time; who are loud, obnoxious, bandwagoners, and act like the frat crowd at Wrigley and care more about the scene than the baseball.

I'm not going to condemn a fanbase due to the actions of group 2, who sadly are the group we hear from a heck of a lot more and are primarily the ones that invade our ballpark for three games each summer. I agree with your assessment of Bosox fans. You can have some great interactions with some of their long time dyed in the wool supporters. It has to gall some of them when they see how badly Red Sox Nation has been coopted by the newer group.

Fenway
12-09-2010, 08:20 PM
I agree with your assessment of Bosox fans. You can have some great interactions with some of their long time dyed in the wool supporters. It has to gall some of them when they see how badly Red Sox Nation has been coopted by the newer group.

You have no idea


Here is a perfect example

WEEI WHINER LINE December 9th (http://audio.weei.com/m/35880998/thurs-dec-9th-whiner-line.htm)

Fenway
12-10-2010, 07:40 AM
I wake up to this in the coffee shop LOL - on to Chicago for me

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1234.snc4/156597_1685781177087_1014362077_31844416_2648021_n .jpg

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20101210theo_epstein_now_unstoppable_gm_steals_the _show/srvc=home&position=0

Fenway
12-10-2010, 09:33 AM
Shaughnessy tells it like it is now.... (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/12/10/sudden_status_as_favorites_is_richly_deserved/)

This assures that the rest of sporting America is going to hate us more than ever. The Sox-Yankees rivalry dominated the first half of this decade, and baseball fans outside of Boston and New York got sick of our quest to overthrow the Evil Empire. Now the Boston-New York war is back with a vengeance, and the Red Sox have become the Yankees.

TheOldRoman
12-10-2010, 09:39 AM
I wake up to this in the coffee shop LOL - on to Chicago for me

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1234.snc4/156597_1685781177087_1014362077_31844416_2648021_n .jpg

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20101210theo_epstein_now_unstoppable_gm_steals_the _show/srvc=home&position=0 Theo is a genius. I mean, the team might have been the best in the AL last year if not for injuries, so clearly he needed to save an 89 win team. Instead of panicing, Theo got the brilliant idea to spend $300 million on two players. If only other GMs would embrace his methods (spending $300 million on two players), baseball would be a lot more competitive.

Fenway
12-10-2010, 09:51 AM
Theo is a genius. I mean, the team might have been the best in the AL last year if not for injuries, so clearly he needed to save an 89 win team. Instead of panicing, Theo got the brilliant idea to spend $300 million on two players. If only other GMs would embrace his methods (spending $300 million on two players), baseball would be a lot more competitive.

and now it looks like Russell Martin is coming

Fenway
12-10-2010, 10:01 AM
Mike Lupica (audio) talks about how the Yankees MUST now sign Cliff Lee


http://audio.weei.com/m/35884590/mike-lupica-talks-cliff-lee.htm

tstrike2000
12-10-2010, 10:06 AM
Maybe the idea someone had would be a good idea, just put the Yanks-Sawx in their own division since they can afford astronomical payrolls. The joke just keeps getting bigger.

soxfanatlanta
12-10-2010, 10:10 AM
Mike Lupica (audio) talks about how the Yankees MUST now sign Cliff Lee


http://audio.weei.com/m/35884590/mike-lupica-talks-cliff-lee.htm


I hope Lee signs with the Rangers. It's not the NY hate that makes me write this; the fans in the Dallas Metroplex need to cheer about something.

Rocky Soprano
12-10-2010, 10:22 AM
Shaughnessy tells it like it is now.... (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/12/10/sudden_status_as_favorites_is_richly_deserved/)


Mod edit: it is against the posting rules to quote even a portion of a copywritten article.

Minus all the championships.

Fenway
12-10-2010, 10:28 AM
Minus all the championships.

April 2000 in Times Square

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs190.snc1/6369_1192390242622_1014362077_30613275_7729648_n.j pg

TheVulture
12-10-2010, 03:11 PM
Assuming the Yankees and Red Sox make the playoffs every year, there are two (and probably three in a couple years) other playoff spots to go for. It would be more fair for the Blue Jays, Orioles, and Rays to compete for those spots without having to be in a constant state of rebuilding.


Didn't the Rays just win the AL East 2 of the last 3 seasons? If the Rays can win, surely Toronto and Baltimore can compete. They just appear to be under inept management.

Boondock Saint
12-10-2010, 03:19 PM
Didn't the Rays just win the AL East 2 of the last 3 seasons? If the Rays can win, surely Toronto and Baltimore can compete. They just appear to be under inept management.

What about 2009, '07 and every season from 1998-2005, where the top two teams in the AL East were New York and Boston?

fox23
12-10-2010, 03:50 PM
Didn't the Rays just win the AL East 2 of the last 3 seasons? If the Rays can win, surely Toronto and Baltimore can compete. They just appear to be under inept management.

Yeah, thanks to having a terrible team for years and stockpiling draft picks. Their best guys are already leaving and in a few years the team will be back in the gutter again.

And Toronto isn't that bad. I bet if you threw them in our division they would be right in the thick of things.

Baltimore just sucks.

asindc
12-10-2010, 04:11 PM
Didn't the Rays just win the AL East 2 of the last 3 seasons? If the Rays can win, surely Toronto and Baltimore can compete. They just appear to be under inept management.

If the Rays management is so much better than Baltimore's or Toronto's why didn't they re-sign Carl Crawford? Why are they looking to trade Matt Garza, possibly for just prospects? Why are they looking to trade Jason Bartlett? Why are they not likely to re-sign Rafael Soriano? Why don't they just keep these guys and add players where they need them, like 1B and C? Doesn't make much sense to dismantle a team that just won the AL East.

Fenway
12-10-2010, 04:21 PM
If the Rays management is so much better than Baltimore's or Toronto's why didn't they re-sign Carl Crawford? Why are they looking to trade Matt Garza, possibly for just prospects? Why are they looking to trade Jason Bartlett? Why are they not likely to re-sign Rafael Soriano? Why don't they just keep these guys and add players where they need them, like 1B and C? Doesn't make much sense to dismantle a team that just won the AL East.

The owner said with no new stadium deal in place he was dropping payroll 15-20M

They only drew 1.7 million this year with that team....

Tampa Bay has been destroyed by the recession,,,,the Bucs haven't sold out a game this year with a decent team.

The Orioles have NO EXCUSE as they own MASN and also control the Nats TV rights...but the owner wants to be GM

The Jays have stopped drawing....Skydome has lost the luster it had and they want a new park.

PKalltheway
12-10-2010, 04:47 PM
The Orioles have NO EXCUSE as they own MASN and also control the Nats TV rights...but the owner wants to be GM

The Jays have stopped drawing....Skydome has lost the luster it had and they want a new park.
Really, the Jays to me have no excuse, either. They're in a gigantic market, and they have a very wealthy owner in Rogers communications. What's keeping them from spending efficiently?

Also, the Jays have failed to even produce a 90-win season since winning it all in '93. Yeah, their ballpark doesn't help matters, but if you don't put a winner out there, people aren't going to show up. Just ask the Pirates how their new park is helping with their attendance. Winning puts butts in the seats, and the Jays haven't done that for nearly 20 years. Oh, and newsflash: the Orioles have stopped drawing, too.

SOXSINCE'70
12-10-2010, 04:57 PM
Thank God for the MLB Network, and I thank Fios for providing it at no extra charge. I can't remember the last time I watched BBTN on ESPN.*



*This post has been approved by the fans of 28 MLB teams. No need to guess which ones.

I can't remember the last time I watched "the four letter network" (as Sirius radio's Scott Ferrall calls it) either.:angry: It's just unwatchable.At least to me.

asindc
12-10-2010, 04:59 PM
The owner said with no new stadium deal in place he was dropping payroll 15-20M

They only drew 1.7 million this year with that team....

Tampa Bay has been destroyed by the recession,,,,the Bucs haven't sold out a game this year with a decent team.

The Orioles have NO EXCUSE as they own MASN and also control the Nats TV rights...but the owner wants to be GM

The Jays have stopped drawing....Skydome has lost the luster it had and they want a new park.

My sarcasm was to make the point that the primary distinction between Tampa and Balt/Tor is that Tampa sucked so badly for years that they continued to draft high for several years to the point that their young talent emerged all at the same time. Now that they can't afford such talent, there will be little difference between them and Balt/Tor. In fact, your post amplifies that point in that you essentially make the argument that they can't afford to keep up with NY and Boston, much like Balt, Toronto, and 23 other MLB clubs.

The MASN deal is sweet for Baltimore, no doubt (too sweet in my Nats' biased opinion), it is no where near what YES and NESN are for NY and Boston, and it is in a much, much smaller market than those teams. Toronto with its Rogers ownership has much less reason to cry poor, but they typically have to overpay FAs because of the exchange rate.

palehozenychicty
12-10-2010, 05:05 PM
The owner said with no new stadium deal in place he was dropping payroll 15-20M

They only drew 1.7 million this year with that team....

Tampa Bay has been destroyed by the recession,,,,the Bucs haven't sold out a game this year with a decent team.

The Orioles have NO EXCUSE as they own MASN and also control the Nats TV rights...but the owner wants to be GM

The Jays have stopped drawing....Skydome has lost the luster it had and they want a new park.

Something about that DC-Maryland-VA water over the past ten-fifteen years where some owners ruin proud traditions....*cough* Dan Snyder *cough*

Fenway
12-10-2010, 05:39 PM
The MASN deal is sweet for Baltimore, no doubt (too sweet in my Nats' biased opinion), it is no where near what YES and NESN are for NY and Boston, and it is in a much, much smaller market than those teams. Toronto with its Rogers ownership has much less reason to cry poor, but they typically have to overpay FAs because of the exchange rate.

DC-Balto combined is a big TV market...

MASN has these markets (number is households)

Washington, DC
2,321,610

Baltimore
1,102,080

Richmond
550,240

Norfolk, Va.
718,020

Harrisburg
738,880

Roanoke
461,420

complete list
http://www.masnsports.com/masn_news_information/find-masn.html

New York is well NY

NESN has these markets

Boston
2,409,080

Hartford
1,014,990

Providence, R.I.
622,580

Portland, Me.
410,890

Burlington, Vt.
331,320

So MASN is in homes...problem is nobody is watching

asindc
12-10-2010, 05:59 PM
DC-Balto combined is a big TV market...

MASN has these markets (number is households)

Washington, DC
2,321,610

Baltimore
1,102,080

Richmond
550,240

Norfolk, Va.
718,020

Harrisburg
738,880

Roanoke
461,420

complete list
http://www.masnsports.com/masn_news_information/find-masn.html

New York is well NY

NESN has these markets

Boston
2,409,080

Hartford
1,014,990

Providence, R.I.
622,580

Portland, Me.
410,890

Burlington, Vt.
331,320

So MASN is in homes...problem is nobody is watching

You will have to split Washington and Baltimore from each other for the sake of this discussion. Most of the folks who live in Metro DC who were O's fans before the Nats arrived were so by default. Now that the Nats are here, you can't count them in the O's TV audience. I'm sure you have more exact figures at your disposal, but from a man-on-the-street heat check of people who live in this general area, I would say:

Harrisburg, yes, but split that among Philly (probably about 65%), Pittsburgh (no joke--about 5%), and Baltimore (the remainder).

Richmond has never been much of an O's market, especially since the Braves' AAA team played there until two years ago and many of their front line stars played for the Richmond Braves even if for a short time.

Norfolk-Ditto Richmond.

Roanoke-Ditto Richmond even more so.


We haven't even gotten to the fact that Boston's market does not comprise just several metro areas but virtually all of the New England area, while the O's market consists of Maryland, parts of PA just north of Baltimore, and an ever-shrinking portion of the DC Metro area. Even Angelos scoring a huge chunk of the Nats' TV revenue for himself hasn't offset that.

I just love how Boston fans are now trying to justify becoming the Evil Empire's twin.

TheVulture
12-10-2010, 10:27 PM
My sarcasm was to make the point that the primary distinction between Tampa and Balt/Tor is that Tampa sucked so badly for years that they continued to draft high for several years to the point that their young talent emerged all at the same time. Now that they can't afford such talent, there will be little difference between them and Balt/Tor.

The O's are riding 13 straight losing seasons and have lost 90+ eight of the last ten years. I don't think they've been hurting for lack of high draft picks.

Fenway
12-10-2010, 10:39 PM
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/images/articles/SBJ201010110301-2.png


The local TV ratings had some shocks in 2010 - the big one was Minneapolis


http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/67152






You will have to split Washington and Baltimore from each other for the sake of this discussion. Most of the folks who live in Metro DC who were O's fans before the Nats arrived were so by default. Now that the Nats are here, you can't count them in the O's TV audience. I'm sure you have more exact figures at your disposal, but from a man-on-the-street heat check of people who live in this general area, I would say:

Harrisburg, yes, but split that among Philly (probably about 65%), Pittsburgh (no joke--about 5%), and Baltimore (the remainder).

Richmond has never been much of an O's market, especially since the Braves' AAA team played there until two years ago and many of their front line stars played for the Richmond Braves even if for a short time.

Norfolk-Ditto Richmond.

Roanoke-Ditto Richmond even more so.


We haven't even gotten to the fact that Boston's market does not comprise just several metro areas but virtually all of the New England area, while the O's market consists of Maryland, parts of PA just north of Baltimore, and an ever-shrinking portion of the DC Metro area. Even Angelos scoring a huge chunk of the Nats' TV revenue for himself hasn't offset that.

I just love how Boston fans are now trying to justify becoming the Evil Empire's twin.

Fenway
12-11-2010, 11:34 AM
Welcome aboard

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Third_Party_Photo/2010/12/11/Crawford329_3__1292080952_8715-3.jpg

VenturaFan23
12-11-2010, 11:04 PM
Barf.

LoveYourSuit
12-12-2010, 12:49 AM
Welcome aboard

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Third_Party_Photo/2010/12/11/Crawford329_3__1292080952_8715-3.jpg

3 years. I give it 3 years and you and the rest of Red Sox nation will be asking "why did we give this guy all this money and for all these years?"

asindc
12-12-2010, 10:25 AM
The O's are riding 13 straight losing seasons and have lost 90+ eight of the last ten years. I don't think they've been hurting for lack of high draft picks.

The point is that neither Baltimore, Tampa, or Toronto have the resources that NY and Boston do, which leaves long term player development through the draft as the only viable solution to build a team that can compete for the AL East. As we are seeing with Tampa, even when a team does that it has a short window in which to take advantage of those player resources. Of course I recognize that Tampa has managed their resources better than Baltimore and Toronto, but even that gave them only three years to legitimately compete with the Evil Empires. Fenway would have you believe that Baltimore's TV revenue is comparable to Boston's. It is not and it is not even close enough to debate it.

Fenway
12-12-2010, 10:36 AM
The point is that neither Baltimore, Tampa, or Toronto have the resources that NY and Boston do, which leaves long term player development through the draft as the only viable solution to build a team that can compete for the AL East. As we are seeing with Tampa, even when a team does that it has a short window in which to take advantage of those player resources. Of course I recognize that Tampa has managed their resources better than Baltimore and Toronto, but even that gave them only three years to legitimately compete with the Evil Empires. Fenway would have you believe that Baltimore's TV revenue is comparable to Boston's. It is not and it is not even close enough to debate it.

MASN's revenue is higher than you think...they are in the Top 10 of RSN's nationally

Lip Man 1
12-12-2010, 12:28 PM
And it still doesn't even come close to the same league as New York - Boston. ASIN is completely correct. Those three teams are basically toast from here on out. (Since Tampa is starting to lose their players...)

Lip

Lyle Mouton
12-12-2010, 12:34 PM
And it still doesn't even come close to the same league as New York - Boston. ASIN is completely correct. Those three teams are basically toast from here on out. (Since Tampa is starting to lose their players...)

Lip
Tampa saw this coming, and has plenty of reinforcements. Desmond Jennings will now assume the Carl Crawford role, and might be better just 1-2 years down the line.

VenturaFan23
12-12-2010, 12:51 PM
And it still doesn't even come close to the same league as New York - Boston. ASIN is completely correct. Those three teams are basically toast from here on out. (Since Tampa is starting to lose their players...)

Lip

This is what I loved most about Tampa Bay was that they were the only ones to put a monkey wrench into one of the two Evil Empires' postseason plans the past few years. It's a shame watching that talented team be dismantled this offseason. Unfortunately, now it looks like the AL East will be a two team race for at least a couple of years minimum now. God, I can't even imagine being a fan of one of the those three teams and basically know you have no shot out of the gate watching those two ******* teams stock up on free agency.