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DirtySox
12-08-2010, 10:42 AM
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BNightengale (http://twitter.com/#%21/BNightengale) Bob Nightengale
#mlb (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23mlb) #whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23whitesox) The Chicago White Sox have reached a preliminary agreement with 1B Paul Konerko on a 3-year contract. Details at USATODAY.com
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/BNightengale/status/12531843907715072)

Rockabilly
12-08-2010, 10:42 AM
glad to have him back with the Sox

LongLiveFisk
12-08-2010, 10:43 AM
I knew he'd be back. :D:

Great news! :bandance:

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 10:43 AM
I knew he'd be back. :D:

Great news! :bandance:

I'm waiting on the $ total before I declare great news.

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 10:44 AM
More confirmation, etc:
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cst_sox (http://twitter.com/#%21/cst_sox) cst_sox
What Jerry wants, Jerry gets. The King is back.
45 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/cst_sox/status/12532732349386752)

chisoxjtrain
12-08-2010, 10:46 AM
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...th-white-sox/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communit...th-white-sox/1)

khan
12-08-2010, 10:47 AM
I'm waiting to see if JR/KW have the latitude to continue to spend to close the rest of the holes in the team. [COUGH! bullpen COUGH!]

IF JR authorizes north of ~$130M on the team, and KW is able to add to the 'pen, then I'll say that it's "great news."

If not, then the team may be incomplete, and this signing probably won't get the SOX closer to a WS in 2011. The other side of this is that the SOX may have just given a ton of money to a 35 year old 1B...


Stay tuned.

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 10:48 AM
I'm waiting to see if JR/KW have the latitude to continue to spend to close the rest of the holes in the team.

IF JR authorizes north of ~$130M on the team, and thus, is able to add to the 'pen, then I'll say that it's "great news."

Pretty much.

Rockabilly
12-08-2010, 10:48 AM
3YRs/37.5M

A great deal. Glad to have PK back with the Sox.

Hopefully we now can add some nice players to the bullpen

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 10:48 AM
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ESPNChicago (http://twitter.com/#%21/ESPNChicago) ESPNChicago
BREAKING NEWS: Source: White Sox sign Paul Konerko to 3-year, $37.5 million deal http://bit.ly/ESPNChicago
2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/ESPNChicago/status/12533349729964032)

SephClone89
12-08-2010, 10:48 AM
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BREAKING NEWS: Source: White Sox sign Paul Konerko to 3-year, $37.5 million deal http://bit.ly/ESPNChicago 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/ESPNChicago/status/12533349729964032) via web

spongyfungy
12-08-2010, 10:49 AM
12 mill first 2 years
6.5 3rd year

per levine

EDIT for accuracy sakes

I guess it was deferred payments

it's 1 million a year after until 2020. (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5898322)The contract breaks down as follows: $12 million in first year; $12 million in second year; $6.5 million in third; seven years deferred at $1 million each.

Ken_Rosenthal twitter
Konerko with #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox): 12M in '11, '12M in 12, 6.5M in '13, 1M per year from '14-'20. #MLB (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MLB)

scottmerkin twitter
He'll get $1 million per from 2014-2020 21 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/12535098633093120) via web
Konerko gets $12 million, $12 million and $13.5 million, but only $6.5 million will be paid that last year.

dwitt76
12-08-2010, 10:49 AM
Welcome back Captain:smile:

fox23
12-08-2010, 10:50 AM
If true, that's one hell of a hometown discount.

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 10:50 AM
12 mill first 2 years
6.5 3rd year

per levine

That doesn't equal $37.5

Over By There
12-08-2010, 10:51 AM
Like everything about this. Welcome back, Paulie. :cool:

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 10:51 AM
PK gets essentially a $500K raise per season. I'm fine with this.

Bullpen please.

spongyfungy
12-08-2010, 10:51 AM
That's insanely low.

VenturaFan23
12-08-2010, 10:51 AM
Glad we got him back at a good price. Looking forward to hearing Harvester of Sorrow for a couple more years! :bandance:

dwitt76
12-08-2010, 10:52 AM
PK is taking the discount. I love it. Standing O for him at opening day as well.

tstrike2000
12-08-2010, 10:52 AM
That doesn't equal $37.5

No it doesn't, 12.5 per year. If true, great to have him back because I wasn't sure about Derrek Lee and didn't really want LaRoche.

Lillian
12-08-2010, 10:52 AM
12 mill first 2 years
13.5 3rd year

per levine

That's $30.5 million????

asindc
12-08-2010, 10:52 AM
12 mill first 2 years
13.5 3rd year

per levine

A fair deal, and a good one from the Sox perspective, though that 13.5 in the last year is a bit sobering.

Rockabilly
12-08-2010, 10:52 AM
PK showed that he's a true captain by taking that deal. So thrilled that he's back

Marqhead
12-08-2010, 10:53 AM
Excellent news! Welcome back PK!

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 10:53 AM
Deferments:

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scottmerkin (http://twitter.com/#%21/scottmerkin) Scott Merkin
He'll get $1 million per from 2014-2020
10 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/scottmerkin/status/12535098633093120)

SoxGirl4Life
12-08-2010, 10:54 AM
Woo-FREAKIN-HOO!!!

:bandance:Welcome Back Paulie!!!:bandance:

tstrike2000
12-08-2010, 10:55 AM
That's $30.5 million????

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nccwsfan
12-08-2010, 10:55 AM
3 years/$37.5MM. Per scottmerkin: He'll get $1 million per from 2014-2020

Way to go Jerry & Kenny! Again! Once this bullpen is set up we'll be looking good. Really excited about 2011.

Welcome back Captain.

soltrain21
12-08-2010, 10:55 AM
Woo.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-08-2010, 10:56 AM
Welcome back, Paulie!!

He probably said "You know what, I got enough, just sign me for this, and put the rest of it in the bullpen."

You know, for a team that's so vilified, we have a lot of guys who take less to play for us....why is that?

RedHeadPaleHoser
12-08-2010, 10:56 AM
My day got instantly better. :D:

ElevenUp
12-08-2010, 10:56 AM
Welcome back, Paulie. :bandance:

SephClone89
12-08-2010, 10:56 AM
You know, for a team that's so vilified, we have a lot of guys who take less to play for us....why is that?

We're not vilified.

spongyfungy
12-08-2010, 10:57 AM
does that calculate? 12, 12 and then 6.5 3rd year and then 1 million payments until 2020? i was just reporting what levine said. but I was a bit confused with the all the hysteria.

I had to rewind the espn stream to figure it out.

aryzner
12-08-2010, 10:57 AM
http://www.screamingguy.info/pics/random/clapping.gif


Glad to have you back, Paulie. :cool:

ewokpelts
12-08-2010, 10:57 AM
That doesn't equal $37.5
well, who said bruce levineline can add?

ChiSoxGal85
12-08-2010, 10:58 AM
Yes!!! And I don't think that's a bad contract at all, for Paul or for Jerry.

I'm very excited for next year!!! :bandance:

skobabe8
12-08-2010, 10:58 AM
My birthday present from KW!!

Thanks!!!

:)

trilobite_hives
12-08-2010, 10:59 AM
What an excellent deal. Over the past day I was starting to envision a deal around 45-50 million and struggling to justify it to myself. I had originally hoped for around 3/36, and now that feels like a bargain! I really tried to not let myself get worked up about this over the past couple days, but I got sucked in and now I'm so glad this is over with.

We've got a pretty damn good offense now.

tstrike2000
12-08-2010, 10:59 AM
well, who said bruce levineline can add?

Either way, great deal especially considering the alternatives out there.

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 10:59 AM
does that calculate? 12, 12 and then 6.5 3rd year and then 1 million payments until 2020? i was just reporting what levine said. but I was a bit confused with the all the hysteria.

I had to rewind the espn stream to figure it out.

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BNightengale (http://twitter.com/#%21/BNightengale) Bob Nightengale
#mlb (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23mlb) #whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23whitesox) Konerko confirmed at 12, 12 and 13.5 million for three years, $37.5 million. Dbacks also offered three year deal for Konerko.
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/BNightengale/status/12536308236816384)

SoxGirl4Life
12-08-2010, 11:01 AM
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BNightengale (http://twitter.com/#%21/BNightengale) Bob Nightengale
#mlb (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23mlb) #whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23whitesox) Konerko confirmed at 12, 12 and 13.5 million for three years, $37.5 million. Dbacks also offered three year deal for Konerko.
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/BNightengale/status/12536308236816384)

The diamondbacks can suck it. Paulie's back!

asindc
12-08-2010, 11:01 AM
Welcome back, Paulie!!

He probably said "You know what, I got enough, just sign me for this, and put the rest of it in the bullpen."

You know, for a team that's so vilified, we have a lot of guys who take less to play for us....why is that?

We're not vilified.

MtGrnwd might be referring to the perception among some Sox fans that FAs don't want to come here because they don't want to play for Ozzie and/or don't want any part of the KW/Ozzie "soap opera."

Rikirk
12-08-2010, 11:01 AM
YESSS!!!!

Now I can wear the jersey i got for my bday with pride. And gloat to a Cub fan buddy of mine.
He hates PK and Dunn. I see some Cub killin this season.

Glad to have ya back Captain Paulie.


:)

spongyfungy
12-08-2010, 11:01 AM
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BNightengale (http://twitter.com/#%21/BNightengale) Bob Nightengale
#mlb (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23mlb) #whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23whitesox) Konerko confirmed at 12, 12 and 13.5 million for three years, $37.5 million. Dbacks also offered three year deal for Konerko.
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/BNightengale/status/12536308236816384)

yeah I read that too and changed my original post but changed it again after. :
scottmerkin twitter








He'll get $1 million per from 2014-2020 8 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/12535098633093120) via web
Konerko gets $12 million, $12 million and $13.5 million, but only $6.5 million will be paid that last year. 8 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/12535049559740416) via web

SoxGirl4Life
12-08-2010, 11:02 AM
cst_sox
They came, they saw, they kicked ass - White Sox baseball - we may hate each other, but we hate losing more!

Ahhh... I don't mind Cowley at moments like this!

LongLiveFisk
12-08-2010, 11:02 AM
You know, for a team that's so vilified, we have a lot of guys who take less to play for us....why is that?

Because they really, REALLY don't want to go to Baltimore.

mccoydp
12-08-2010, 11:03 AM
Great news! Now I can stop hovering over WSI 24/7! :bandance:

Next up: bullpen.

manders_01
12-08-2010, 11:03 AM
I hear angels singing! What great news!!! :bandance:

harwar
12-08-2010, 11:03 AM
not surprised .. when i heard that J.R. was getting involved, i thought it might get done .. also, it seems that P. K. really wants to stay .. it makes me smile ..

LoveYourSuit
12-08-2010, 11:04 AM
Happy ****ing Wednesday !!! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

I doubted you Paulie, my bad.

Love the deal, very fair. This does not handcuff the Sox in year 3.

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 11:04 AM
Now I can stop hovering over WSI 24/7! :bandance:


Pssh. Just wait until the trade rumors start. Dayan, you are on the block.

kobo
12-08-2010, 11:05 AM
This is great. The lineup next season should put up some nice numbers. Now just address the bullpen and things will look really good heading into spring training.

sox1970
12-08-2010, 11:05 AM
Me likey:

Pierre LF
Beckham 2B
Rios CF
Dunn DH
Konerko 1B
Quentin RF
Ramirez SS
Pierzynski C
Morel 3B

No more Kotsay. No Teahen in the everyday lineup. Pretty good defense.

I like it....a lot.

tstrike2000
12-08-2010, 11:05 AM
Because they really, REALLY don't want to go to Baltimore.

Or Arizona, another team that isn't very good.

Ex-Chicagoan
12-08-2010, 11:06 AM
http://www.screamingguy.info/pics/random/clapping.gif


Glad to have you back, Paulie. :cool:

Agreed. #14 may well finish up here.

Lillian
12-08-2010, 11:06 AM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2J13cjfAlRTtXNCVxOWTNhUFapRyBM Dm2KGTeEb72sATWK-_9-A

Ooops. I meant to quote "Spongyfungy", who sighted Levine's numbers, which were $12 million for the first 2 years, and then $6.5 the last year.

CHISOXFAN13
12-08-2010, 11:06 AM
Great news! Now I can stop hovering over WSI 24/7! :bandance:

Next up: bullpen.

LOL. Who you crappin?!?!?! You, like everyone else here, will be glued to the site waiting to see what kind of arms we get in the pen!

Gotta love it!!

hi im skot
12-08-2010, 11:06 AM
THIS IS THE BEST CHRISTMAS EVER.

Bravo, everyone.

wilburaga
12-08-2010, 11:07 AM
If PK averages 30 homers a year over the 3 years he will tie #35 atop the all time Chisox homer list.

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 11:07 AM
Again:


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Ken_Rosenthal (http://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal) Ken Rosenthal

Konerko with #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox): 12M in '11, '12M in 12, 6.5M in '13, 1M per year from '14-'20. #MLB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal/status/12538250614808576)

manders_01
12-08-2010, 11:07 AM
Me likey:

Pierre LF
Beckham 2B
Rios CF
Dunn DH
Konerko 1B
Quentin RF
Ramirez SS
Pierzynski C
Morel 3B

No more Kotsay. No Teahen in the everyday lineup. Pretty good defense.

I like it....a lot.

That is a very sweet sight! :cool:

ChiSoxGal85
12-08-2010, 11:07 AM
Great news! Now I can stop hovering over WSI 24/7!

I thought I might too, after Paulie signed, but I'll bet I don't...you never know what KW might have up his sleeve.

beasly213
12-08-2010, 11:08 AM
Love it...

One of my all time favorites is back!

LoveYourSuit
12-08-2010, 11:09 AM
Me likey:

Pierre LF
Beckham 2B
Rios CF
Dunn DH
Konerko 1B
Quentin RF
Ramirez SS
Pierzynski C
Morel 3B

No more Kotsay. No Teahen in the everyday lineup. Pretty good defense.

I like it....a lot.


Best Line-up since 2006.

I love it!

roylestillman
12-08-2010, 11:09 AM
not surprised .. when i heard that J.R. was getting involved, i thought it might get done .. also, it seems that P. K. really wants to stay .. it makes me smile ..

You really have to wonder how much that WS winning ball was worth to Paulie.

2011 is going to be fun.

spawn
12-08-2010, 11:10 AM
cst_sox
They came, they saw, they kicked ass - White Sox baseball - we may hate each other, but we hate losing more!

Ahhh... I don't mind Cowley at moments like this!

Meh...he's still a dick.

tstrike2000
12-08-2010, 11:12 AM
Ooops. I meant to quote "Spongyfungy", who sighted Levine's numbers, which were $12 million for the first 2 years, and then $6.5 the last year.

I should of added a /teal to the calculator, too as I was joking with you since there was some confusion at the beginning of the thread at the dollars per year.

DumpJerry
12-08-2010, 11:12 AM
Me likey:

Pierre LF
Beckham 2B
Rios CF
Dunn DH
Konerko 1B
Quentin RF
Ramirez SS
Pierzynski C
Morel 3B

No more Kotsay. No Teahen in the everyday lineup. Pretty good defense.

I like it....a lot.
Would like to see a more reliable and consistent name in Quentin's spot.

soltrain21
12-08-2010, 11:12 AM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t218/cowboybum/adancing.gif

Law11
12-08-2010, 11:13 AM
Im just thrilled with this. Paulie retiring (you would think) in the Black & Silver is the way it should be.

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 11:14 AM
Has no-one mentioned the slugger tandem nicknames are "Donkey" and "Kong"?

Rikirk
12-08-2010, 11:15 AM
Ok, I know Dunns HR average hovers around 40, whats PK's?
If its anywhere around 37...
I feel good.

CPditka
12-08-2010, 11:15 AM
que the Kotter music.......


Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back!!!

SephClone89
12-08-2010, 11:15 AM
Has no-one mentioned the slugger tandem nicknames are "Donkey" and "Kong"?

I have always hated the "Kong" nickname...but this made me hate it a little less.

VeeckAsInWreck
12-08-2010, 11:16 AM
Opening Day can't get here soon enough!

Just need to get some bullpen help and I like this team's chances for next year.


Thank you KW for the early X-mas gifts!

SoxGirl4Life
12-08-2010, 11:16 AM
Ok, I know Dunns HR average hovers around 40, whats PK's?
If its anywhere around 37...
I feel good.

'specially with one protecting the other in the lineup. I get shivers just thinking about it!

spongyfungy
12-08-2010, 11:18 AM
so a question concerning the deferred payments, is this one of those lifetime deals? Is he retiring after 3 years or can he still play and restructure his deal? I did not think you can play on 2 concurrent contracts.

ChiSoxGal85
12-08-2010, 11:18 AM
Has no-one mentioned the slugger tandem nicknames are "Donkey" and "Kong"?
:rolling: I love it!!

Rikirk
12-08-2010, 11:18 AM
And we get this for the next 3 years....sweet!

Domeshot17
12-08-2010, 11:19 AM
Fantastic Deal, glad he structured it. I said it in the first thread a few weeks ago, he would be smart to go the Griffey Route and set himself up for life with payments after retirement...Glad PK reads WSI and took my advice :D:

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-08-2010, 11:19 AM
MtGrnwd might be referring to the perception among some Sox fans that FAs don't want to come here because they don't want to play for Ozzie and/or don't want any part of the KW/Ozzie "soap opera."

This. Although it's funny how despite the way the media paints us (world's most dysfunctional baseball team, with Ozzie in the middle of it all), a lot of good players have said they'd love to play for Ozzie.

Because they really, REALLY don't want to go to Baltimore.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm117/mtgrnwdstar913/touche.jpg

aryzner
12-08-2010, 11:20 AM
This deal is good because it's awesome.

But it is bad because IT IS ONLY DECEMBER. I can't wait this long for baseball to start!!!!

October26
12-08-2010, 11:20 AM
YIPPEEEEEE!!! Paulieeeeeee!!! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 11:21 AM
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ChuckGarfien (http://twitter.com/#%21/ChuckGarfien) Chuck Garfien
From Sox source: Reinsdorf played a small role in Konerko talks. Assistant GM Rick Hahn did most of the heavy lifting.
13 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/ChuckGarfien/status/12542060380823552)

hawkjt
12-08-2010, 11:21 AM
Sweet day for PK fans....love it!!
And the Sox did not break the bank!!
And Joe Cowley who was insisting right up until the details were announced that PK and agent were not coming off the 15 milliion/yr! Wrong again,Joe!!

Jerry is clearly playing hardcore poker this year,and going all in!!
Please Sox fans, lets respond by buying tickets early and often!

Even as the dead of winter bears down on Chicago,I faintly detect the sweet smell of grilling onions ....summer looms,gang,and it is gonna be a fun one!!

markopat
12-08-2010, 11:21 AM
Hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

Hitmen77
12-08-2010, 11:21 AM
Great news!!!! Now let's make sure that our bullpen isn't a repeat of 2007.

3 years/$37.5MM. Per scottmerkin: He'll get $1 million per from 2014-2020



Welcome back Captain.

Question: What's the significance of taking the lower payment in 2013? Is there some budget crunch anticipated that year? Just curious.




http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t218/cowboybum/adancing.gif

Great clip!

mccoydp
12-08-2010, 11:22 AM
LOL. Who you crappin?!?!?! You, like everyone else here, will be glued to the site waiting to see what kind of arms we get in the pen!

Gotta love it!!

I do! :gulp:

I'll be here with everyone else waiting to see what bullpen pitchers Kenny adds. I'm very curious to see what he has up his sleeve. I'm sure he won't disappoint!

UofCSoxFan
12-08-2010, 11:23 AM
The structure of this deal makes it even better. PK gets $6.5 million in year 3, then $7 million is deferred, payable $1 million per yer over seven years. This gives us plenty of flexibility down the road and makes it very unlikely this contract will be an albatross, even if PK does not age gracefully.

hi im skot
12-08-2010, 11:23 AM
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asindc
12-08-2010, 11:26 AM
so a question concerning the deferred payments, is this one of those lifetime deals? Is he retiring after 3 years or can he still play and restructure his deal? I did not think you can play on 2 concurrent contracts.

He would have to be traded and the new team would have to restructure the deal if they want to pay him more money.

Chrisaway
12-08-2010, 11:27 AM
Has no-one mentioned the slugger tandem nicknames are "Donkey" and "Kong"?

Sig changed!!!:D:

WhiteSoxFTW
12-08-2010, 11:27 AM
\o/ YAY!!!

salty99
12-08-2010, 11:30 AM
YES!!

Now let's lock up Kotsay and Jones!!!

Boondock Saint
12-08-2010, 11:30 AM
Kick-ass news. My excitement for the upcoming season is building steadily.

manders_01
12-08-2010, 11:31 AM
Sig changed!!!:D:

Great sig!!! :thumbsup:

ChiSoxGirl
12-08-2010, 11:31 AM
Christmas has come early; thank you Santa, er... Kenny & Jerry! :bandance: I'm glad those tears I shed for Paulie and AJ at the last home game of the season were for nothing! I ♥ Paulie.

CPditka
12-08-2010, 11:32 AM
Question: What's the significance of taking the lower payment in 2013? Is there some budget crunch anticipated that year? Just curious.




I think it might have to do with the fact that Dunn's deal has defered money (AJ too), also that might lineup with re-signing Beckham/Danks, just a thought.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-08-2010, 11:32 AM
YES!!

Now let's lock up Kotsay and Jones!!!

I'd see if Jones would be interested in coming back as a 4th OF. Not likely, but I'd seriously take him back.

slavko
12-08-2010, 11:32 AM
Pssh. Just wait until the trade rumors start. Dayan, you are on the block.

You mean he wasn't before? Since Beckham has already been offered (not taken) for Gonzo recently, our record for player development is likely to remain intact.

I thought PK was gone since that presser during the season, I read the situation wrong.

shenk16
12-08-2010, 11:34 AM
Me likey:

Pierre LF
Beckham 2B
Rios CF
Dunn DH
Konerko 1B
Quentin RF
Ramirez SS
Pierzynski C
Morel 3B

No more Kotsay. No Teahen in the everyday lineup. Pretty good defense.

I like it....a lot.

I thought Ozzie already mentioned that he wanted Dunn batting in the first inning? He also mentioned using Rios to split up Dunn and Konerko. Either way, I'm loving this lineup!

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-08-2010, 11:34 AM
You mean he wasn't before? Since Beckham has already been offered (not taken) for Gonzo recently, our record for player development is likely to remain intact.

But the San Diego GM knew that he was going to give A-Gon to Boston as a gift for years of employment. No other offer was seriously considered by the Padres.

Over By There
12-08-2010, 11:34 AM
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/533041789/Kenny_normal.jpg
Ken_Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal) Ken Rosenthal
#Diamondbacks (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Diamondbacks) offered Konerko 3 yrs, $30M. Considered him special case. That money will not simply go to another player. #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) #MLB (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)

chisoxfanatic
12-08-2010, 11:35 AM
Christmas has come early; thank you Santa, er... Kenny & Jerry! :bandance: I'm glad those tears I shed for Paulie and AJ at the last home game of the season were for nothing! I ♥ Paulie.

You're not the only one, Jen! I'm so happy that my jersey will not be obsolete!!!

Rocky Soprano
12-08-2010, 11:38 AM
:bandance::bandance::bandance:

How many days until Opening Day?
If I didn't have a kid on the way, I would be on the phone with the Sox right now buying at least an Ozzie plan.

hi im skot
12-08-2010, 11:39 AM
I'd see if Jones would be interested in coming back as a 4th OF. Not likely, but I'd seriously take him back.

Agreed.

Chez
12-08-2010, 11:41 AM
Look at the contracts Jerry Reinsdorf has absorbed in the past 1.5 years -- Rios, Peavy, Jackson, Dunn and Konerko. I hope no one complains that the Sox are cheap.

Moses_Scurry
12-08-2010, 11:42 AM
I've retired my old prayer of free agency acquisitions. I've begun a new daily prayer:

Please make TCQ return to his 2008 numbers! :praying:

Boondock Saint
12-08-2010, 11:44 AM
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/533041789/Kenny_normal.jpg
Ken_Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal) Ken Rosenthal
#Diamondbacks (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Diamondbacks) offered Konerko 3 yrs, $30M. Considered him special case. That money will not simply go to another player. #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) #MLB (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)

Why would anyone pay money to see the D-Backs with how they run their team?

Soxman219
12-08-2010, 11:44 AM
2011 could be a very special year.

ChiSoxGal85
12-08-2010, 11:45 AM
Look at the contracts Jerry Reinsdorf has absorbed in the past 1.5 years -- Rios, Peavy, Jackson, Dunn and Konerko. I hope no one complains that the Sox are cheap.
Funny, I was just thinking about that...let's hope it pays off with another championship in 2011!

asindc
12-08-2010, 11:45 AM
I've retired my old prayer of free agency acquisitions. I've begun a new daily prayer:

Please make TCQ return to his 2008 numbers! :praying:

I join you in prayer, my brother.:smile:

FielderJones
12-08-2010, 11:47 AM
Has no-one mentioned the slugger tandem nicknames are "Donkey" and "Kong"?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAGoaEvJOIItDphR0xnXUKDYOzDF9kT a3HEKxdzcGEap4-GWNRFQhttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyhaVPsjNJEHxw8n0cFqu_fQe8AVwCd HOZ1uIkKBC69njVEC7a

Thome25
12-08-2010, 11:49 AM
You're not the only one, Jen! I'm so happy that my jersey will not be obsolete!!!

Your jersey will never be obsolete whether he left or not. He is and always will be a White Sox icon and World Series hero!!

cheezheadsoxfan
12-08-2010, 11:50 AM
Santa answered my letter!!! Now I delete the last game of the year (with Paulie's standing O) from my DVR. I feared it was the last I would see of Paulie in a Sox uniform.

:bliss::bliss:

sox1970
12-08-2010, 11:50 AM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAGoaEvJOIItDphR0xnXUKDYOzDF9kT a3HEKxdzcGEap4-GWNRFQhttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyhaVPsjNJEHxw8n0cFqu_fQe8AVwCd HOZ1uIkKBC69njVEC7a

I don't like the nickname Kong, but well done.

g0g0
12-08-2010, 11:52 AM
Great to see Paulie back in a Sox uniform. Hope he retires a WS.

:bandance:

voodoochile
12-08-2010, 11:57 AM
I'm waiting on the $ total before I declare great news.
:?:

It's...

Not...

Your...

Money...

Oh and WOOHOO!!! :moonwalk:

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 12:00 PM
:?:

It's...

Not...

Your...

Money...

Oh and WOOHOO!!! :moonwalk:



It still impacts what Kenny can and can't do with the bullpen, which I as a fan have an interest in. It's okay to be critical on the subject of contract worth. And for the record, I have no problem with it. $15 million per would have been ugly. This is fine.

sullythered
12-08-2010, 12:00 PM
Wow. The Sox and Kenny are just impressing the the hell out of me. This is awesome news. This team could be special in 2011.

UofCSoxFan
12-08-2010, 12:02 PM
:?:

It's...

Not...

Your...

Money...

Oh and WOOHOO!!! :moonwalk:

While I agree to some extent on "it's not your money" it still is a factor if the owner has a self-imposed budget. If the budget also gets moved upward, you're right, who cares?

That being said this is a very friendly deal for the Sox. The deal is a reasonable $12 mllion per year in the first two years (Pena got $10 for gosh's sakes) and has a ton of deferred money.

Very good signing.

voodoochile
12-08-2010, 12:02 PM
Great news!!!! Now let's make sure that our bullpen isn't a repeat of 2007.



Question: What's the significance of taking the lower payment in 2013? Is there some budget crunch anticipated that year? Just curious.

It may simply be that KW wants to free up some more money at that time. The budget should be wide open that year. In addition it might actually appeal to PK to have some guaranteed income in what might be the first few years of his retirement until he figures out what comes next and a million a year even after agent fees and taxes will definitely simplify life.

Noneck
12-08-2010, 12:03 PM
I am impressed that the Sox are acting like a big boy club. Thanks to the ones here, that gave me faith in that.

Dan H
12-08-2010, 12:04 PM
I'm waiting to see if JR/KW have the latitude to continue to spend to close the rest of the holes in the team. [COUGH! bullpen COUGH!]

IF JR authorizes north of ~$130M on the team, and KW is able to add to the 'pen, then I'll say that it's "great news."

If not, then the team may be incomplete, and this signing probably won't get the SOX closer to a WS in 2011. The other side of this is that the SOX may have just given a ton of money to a 35 year old 1B...


Stay tuned.

All of these are good points. But my heart says I am glad that Konerko is back with the team. I think he can put up some good numbers. At the very least, this is going to be interesting off season.

Randar68
12-08-2010, 12:04 PM
:?:

It's...

Not...

Your...

Money...

Oh and WOOHOO!!! :moonwalk:

It does, in the long run, affect ticket prices. So yes, it is our money...


Likewise, it impacts what they can do in the bullpen and elsewhere.

kittle42
12-08-2010, 12:08 PM
Can the fiscal responsibility crew quit raining on the parade?

Randar68
12-08-2010, 12:12 PM
Can the fiscal responsibility crew quit raining on the parade?

#1) I am simply offering a rebuttal to voodoo's assertion

#2) I am glad they resigned PK. But this team will not win with or without PK unless they address the bullpen situation. I am only hoping that signing PK doesn't force them to sacrifice elsewhere

Nellie_Fox
12-08-2010, 12:12 PM
It does, in the long run, affect ticket prices. So yes, it is our money...No, it doesn't. Simple economics says that they will charge the most they can for tickets, until the price causes enough drop in sales to offset the raise in price. They don't establish the price point on what they need for operating expenses, they establish the price point to maximize revenues.

Rockabilly
12-08-2010, 12:14 PM
PK will be on WSCR at 430

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 12:16 PM
#1) I am simply offering a rebuttal to voodoo's assertion

#2) I am glad they resigned PK. But this team will not win with or without PK unless they address the bullpen situation. I am only hoping that signing PK doesn't force them to sacrifice elsewhere

Indeed. Noone is blasting the deal, I think most people like it. It's okay to wait on the terms of a contract before blindly jumping for joy.

doublem23
12-08-2010, 12:16 PM
Can the fiscal responsibility crew quit raining on the parade?

Things would be way better around here if we had a more frugal owner.

guillensdisciple
12-08-2010, 12:17 PM
Wow, this team is going to be epic on so many levels.

Rockabilly
12-08-2010, 12:18 PM
https://twitter.com/InsideTheSox

A lot of PK quotes from his conference call

spawn
12-08-2010, 12:19 PM
Things would be way better around here if we had a more frugal owner.

I thought we already had one? At least, that's what I've read here about the ownership here.

khan
12-08-2010, 12:20 PM
It's...

Not...

Your...

Money...
Yeah, it's not like KW traded for Jim Thome, and then put a crappy CFer into the mix.

Or added "power arms" to the mix to try to pin together a shoddy bullpen.

Or used grandpa Erstad or Rob Mackowiac as a CFer.

Or added a former Cy Young award winner, then used the great Josh Fields as the 3rd baseman.

Or lavishly solved the CF position, then added Mark Kotsay as the primary DH.


In other words, KW and JR have ALWAYS tried to put together a complete team, salary budget be damned, right? Why trifle about the budget NOW?

Let's wait and see what Pena and Harrell can do as setup men, THEN pass judgement.

voodoochile
12-08-2010, 12:21 PM
It does, in the long run, affect ticket prices. So yes, it is our money...


Likewise, it impacts what they can do in the bullpen and elsewhere.

You're smarter than that Randar. Ticket prices are not significantly impacted by payroll unless the higher payroll causes higher demand (I think it will).

What the market will bear and not a penny more. Any owner who sets ticket prices based on payroll is an idiot.

Randar68
12-08-2010, 12:21 PM
Wow, this team is going to be epic on so many levels.

As currently constructed, they're going to have to score 8 runs a game since they have about 2 proven arms in the entire bullpen.

DSpivack
12-08-2010, 12:26 PM
As currently constructed, they're going to have to score 8 runs a game since they have about 2 proven arms in the entire bullpen.

It's also December 8. I'm patient, it's the offseason.

Noneck
12-08-2010, 12:27 PM
As currently constructed, they're going to have to score 8 runs a game since they have about 2 proven arms in the entire bullpen.

Maybe its time to go old school and start riding those starting horses.

guillensdisciple
12-08-2010, 12:28 PM
As currently constructed, they're going to have to score 8 runs a game since they have about 2 proven arms in the entire bullpen.

I'm sure Kenny is trying to get rid of one of those starting pitchers to open up some cash money for bullpen relief.

Get it done.

Sale can always slot in to the missing hole in the rotation.

Thome25
12-08-2010, 12:31 PM
Does anyone here honestly think that KW, JR and the Sox are going to show that they are "going all in" by publicly stating as much and also demonstrating it by re-signing PK and AJ and dropping a load of $$$ on Dunn and then subsequently leave the bullpen high and dry?

It has also been speculated that JR is getting older and would like to see another WS Championship before he leaves this Earth.

The offseason has only just begun. Based on what has already happened, I'm willing to place some $$$ on the fact that the Sox will shore up the bullpen through trades and/or FA before it's all over.

Relax people. Sit back and enjoy this ride!!

tstrike2000
12-08-2010, 12:34 PM
We've missed Randar, he doesn't post much in these parts. And he's right about the bullpen, but we all have the same concern. It's early in the winter, we'll see what happens.

Nellie_Fox
12-08-2010, 12:34 PM
Noone is blasting the deal.

http://www.parsec-santa.com/celebrity/celebs4/PeterNoone.jpg

Why does he care?

Randar68
12-08-2010, 12:36 PM
YLet's wait and see what Pena and Harrell can do as setup men, THEN pass judgement.

WHHHHHHHHAT?

If Lucas Harrell is our set-up man, we're doomed. Pure and simple.

tebman
12-08-2010, 12:37 PM
http://www.parsec-santa.com/celebrity/celebs4/PeterNoone.jpg

Why does he care?

:rolling:

:thumbsup:

Randar68
12-08-2010, 12:37 PM
It's also December 8. I'm patient, it's the offseason.

I agree. I am not freaking out. Lots of time before pitchers and catchers report and there are certainly decent to good options out there so I am simply stating my open concern as we currently sit.

palehozenychicty
12-08-2010, 12:37 PM
I had a feeling he would come back. Now as far as the pen, we have plenty of time to get two arms. We are one of the few teams in the game with quality starting pitching, and after Cliff signs, the demand will be higher.

hawkjt
12-08-2010, 12:37 PM
Does anyone here honestly think that KW, JR and the Sox are going to show that they are "going all in" by publicly stating as much and also demonstrating it by re-signing PK and AJ and dropping a load of $$$ on Dunn and then subsequently leave the bullpen high and dry?

It has also been speculated that JR is getting older and would like to see another WS Championship before he leaves this Earth.

The offseason has only just begun. Based on what has already happened, I'm willing to place some $$$ on the fact that the Sox will shore up the bullpen through trades and/or FA before it's all over.

Relax people. Sit back and enjoy this ride!!


Exactamundo,gang.
The bullpen will sort itself out over the next 3-4 months.
Again,I thought last year the Sox had the best power arm bullpen evah...and it floundered...so there are no guarantees. Ya think the Twins are counting on Nathan to return to form? Nobody knows nothing on relievers year to year.

PKalltheway
12-08-2010, 12:39 PM
Ah yes, this is awesome news! Welcome back, Paulie!!!:bandance::bandance::bandance:

MarySwiss
12-08-2010, 12:39 PM
YES!!!!! :D: :bandance::bandance::bandance:

Marqhead
12-08-2010, 12:39 PM
KW and JR held up their end of the bargain, I guess I've got to spring for that split season package now.

Rockabilly
12-08-2010, 12:40 PM
AZ offer to PK was 3 Yr/30M

soxfanatlanta
12-08-2010, 12:40 PM
Nobody knows nothing on relievers year to year.

This.


I'm happy that Paulie is back, the lineup looks pretty good right now.

ewokpelts
12-08-2010, 12:42 PM
KW and JR held up their end of the bargain, I guess I've got to spring for that split season package now.section 158 row 25 seats 1-2 just opened up on the weekend plan. I'm relocating, so have at them

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 12:43 PM
Exactamundo,gang.
The bullpen will sort itself out over the next 3-4 months.
Again,I thought last year the Sox had the best power arm bullpen evah...and it floundered...so there are no guarantees.

I'm confident that the bullpen will be addressed, but one hopes it doesn't come at the expense of players currently on the roster. Especially the starting pitching.

johnnyg83
12-08-2010, 12:43 PM
Start stenciling in #14 on the OF wall.

Rockabilly
12-08-2010, 12:46 PM
Start stenciling in #14 on the OF wall.

as well as # 56

soltrain21
12-08-2010, 12:47 PM
as well as # 56

Eh...

Maybe.

tstrike2000
12-08-2010, 12:48 PM
WHHHHHHHHAT?

If Lucas Harrell is our set-up man, we're doomed. Pure and simple.

Harrell was hot garbage for a lot of his appearances last year, I don't think you'll need to be worry about him being a primary setup guy.

doublem23
12-08-2010, 12:49 PM
Eh...

Maybe.

:scratch:

Not talking about getting his plaque ready for Cooperstown, but I figured Buehrle is a consensus shoo-in for a retired number.

voodoochile
12-08-2010, 12:49 PM
Harrell was hot garbage for a lot of his appearances last year, I don't think you'll need to be worry about him being a primary setup guy.

I could see him being long relief.

Carolina Kenny
12-08-2010, 12:50 PM
Konerko still gives me a Bonerko

delben91
12-08-2010, 12:50 PM
Glad to have PK back, especially with those contract terms. Wouldn't mind finding a better alternative to Quentin, but otherwise I like the lineup.

Also happy to see that Konerko wasn't too "offended" and didn't feel too "disrespected" by the Sox telling the press that Dunn and AJ deferred money to bring him back. :rolleyes:

khan
12-08-2010, 12:51 PM
WHHHHHHHHAT?

If Lucas Harrell is our set-up man, we're doomed. Pure and simple.
Did I need teal?

As we presently sit, who will be the setup men? [For the purpose of this exercise, assume that Peavy won't be ready to start throwing 'til March, meaning Sale will have to start; Assume that Garcia won't be back, because he earned a better contract than the SOX can now offer; Assume that Thornton will close.]

The bullpen will sort itself out over the next 3-4 months.
Again,I thought last year the Sox had the best power arm bullpen evah...and it floundered...so there are no guarantees. Ya think the Twins are counting on Nathan to return to form? Nobody knows nothing on relievers year to year.
Waiting 3-4 months to "sort out" a bullpen is a recipe for disaster, IMO. There are not enough MLB-quality pitchers in-house to solve all of the bullpen's issues.

As far as Nathan, I'd sure as heck like to have him here. I don't think that the ENTIRE returning bullpen personnel for the SOX have amassed 30 career saves between them.



Does anyone here honestly think that KW, JR and the Sox are going to show that they are "going all in" by publicly stating as much and also demonstrating it by re-signing PK and AJ and dropping a load of $$$ on Dunn and then subsequently leave the bullpen high and dry?
They have a history of assembling incomplete teams in recent years, so the fear is YES. [Adding Rios, then using Kotsay as the primary DH is merely the latest iteration of incomplete teams assembled by the front office.]


It has also been speculated that JR is getting older and would like to see another WS Championship before he leaves this Earth.
I too have considered this. I hope the chairman is doing well health-wise.

The offseason has only just begun. Based on what has already happened, I'm willing to place some $$$ on the fact that the Sox will shore up the bullpen through trades and/or FA before it's all over.
I'd hope so. But, we've seen the lavish spending in one area of the team, coupled with neglect of other parts of the team before.

DirtySox
12-08-2010, 12:51 PM
I could see him being long relief.

Indeed. That is about his ceiling.

Thome25
12-08-2010, 12:51 PM
Start stenciling in #14 on the OF wall.

This is pretty much a foregone conclusion now. It's amazing how far he has come. I remember the day we acquired him.

I looked at the Sun-Times and saw the trade and said to myself "looks like we got a player to replace Robin at 3rd." I knew he was a pretty good young player at the time and I followed him in the Dodgers organization before he became a Cincinnati Red.

Looks like he surpassed my expectations. Looks like he surpassed one of my favorite players in White Sox history and the one I was comparing him to at the time.

Looks like he has signed his last deal with our White Sox and has cemented himself as a White Sox lifer, icon, World Series hero, and dare I say legend.

Welcome back PK. Glad to have had you all these years and happy to have you for the next 3.

Once this current deal expires hopefully the next news you make is having your #14 put up on the outfield wall.

You truly deserve it.

BadBobbyJenks
12-08-2010, 12:52 PM
So he takes the same salary and deferred money in year 3?:bandance:

Marqhead
12-08-2010, 12:59 PM
section 158 row 25 seats 1-2 just opened up on the weekend plan. I'm relocating, so have at them

I'm probably going for the weekday plan at this point, but I will let you know.

KMcMahon817
12-08-2010, 01:04 PM
Thanks Paulie! You made my day! I never doubted your faith to this organization and its fans! We are all pumped to have you back. Very fair deal as well; can't complain. And this pretty much makes Viciedo expendable..too bad, I liked him..but move over for the captain.

This team is going to be good. On to the pen, KW.

WhiteSox5187
12-08-2010, 01:08 PM
Paulie, you made my week! Kudos to Paulie, Kenny and Jerry for getting this thing done. Konerko, Buerhle and AJ are three of my favorite players of all time and I really want to see all of them end their careers with the White Sox.

Noneck
12-08-2010, 01:13 PM
Konerko, Buerhle and AJ are three of my favorite players of all time and I really want to see all of them end their careers with the White Sox.

I would say that Paul is now the heavy favorite to be the last player staying on the Sox from 05. AJ 2nd choice and Burls at 3rd.

Soxfest
12-08-2010, 01:28 PM
Good deal all around!

Quentin08
12-08-2010, 01:41 PM
This news made my week! :bandance:

By the way, Paul Konerko is #11 on Google Trends right now.. updated 37 minutes ago. He'll probably get higher throughout the day.

KRS1
12-08-2010, 01:41 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k_ICSkAB1hk/TKLZPZI8dsI/AAAAAAAAGfc/eNMbqc1EEWw/s1600/simpsons_mr_burns_excellent.jpg
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k_ICSkAB1hk/TKLZPZI8dsI/AAAAAAAAGfc/eNMbqc1EEWw/s1600/simpsons_mr_burns_excellent.jpg)

Cuck the Fubs
12-08-2010, 01:42 PM
section 158 row 25 seats 1-2 just opened up on the weekend plan. I'm relocating, so have at them

How long have you had those seats????

I'm in 158 row 16 1/2...we're thinking about moving as well.

JB98
12-08-2010, 01:42 PM
I always felt like Konerko would stay here. KW made it clear to Paulie that he was wanted and he made a fair offer. This is the sensible thing to do for both sides.

Our lineup looks good now. Good balance of power and speed, good balance of left-handed and right-handed hitters. Now, let's address that bullpen and get back to the playoffs in 2011.

Alexei4president
12-08-2010, 01:47 PM
solid...finally somethin to cheer up my week of college finals:smile:

gobears1987
12-08-2010, 01:50 PM
If PK averages 30 homers a year over the 3 years he will tie #35 atop the all time Chisox homer list.

Depending on how long he plays, he has an outside shot at 500 career homers.

Sargeant79
12-08-2010, 01:51 PM
Konerko still gives me a Bonerko

Best sign I've ever seen in the stands.

Sockinchisox
12-08-2010, 02:07 PM
And everything worked out better than expected.

PAULIE!

kufram
12-08-2010, 02:08 PM
On a day like this I don't have any time for the doubters. Is there an mlb team that has NO issues to address? JR, KW, AJ, Dunn and most of all PK deserve real credit for making this happen.

A week ago did anybody really think that we could get the offense we have today? I doubt it.

Bullpen? Crapshoot. Anybody who thinks they know the answer now is kidding themselves.

JermaineDye05
12-08-2010, 02:13 PM
White Sox Wednesday has returned.

doublem23
12-08-2010, 02:13 PM
On a day like this I don't have any time for the doubters. Is there an mlb team that has NO issues to address? JR, KW, AJ, Dunn and most of all PK deserve real credit for making this happen.

A week ago did anybody really think that we could get the offense we have today? I doubt it.

Bullpen? Crapshoot. Anybody who thinks they know the answer now is kidding themselves.

Dead on. Even if the Sox spent all the Konerko money on some bullpen arms, we'd really be in much of a different spot except with a glaring hole in the middle of the lineup.

I am still holding out hope that KW can wriggle $5 M to sign a 2-3 more guys for the bullpen and see what we can do from there. We're still not 1/2 way through December. There'll be time for freaking out. Not today, though.

JermaineDye05
12-08-2010, 02:16 PM
This team had so many holes going into the offseason. Kenny has plugged all of them with the exception of the bullpen.

You could argue 3B, but no one really knows what we'll get from Morel. We do know that he should give us above average defense at the corner.

RockJock07
12-08-2010, 02:18 PM
Has no-one mentioned the slugger tandem nicknames are "Donkey" and "Kong"?

I was thinking "Dunerko"

thomas35forever
12-08-2010, 02:38 PM
Okay everyone. Take a deep breath. That wasn't so bad, was it?

Aw hell, I'll join in the celebrating too.

Woo-hoo!:bandance:

CPditka
12-08-2010, 02:45 PM
Inside scoop on the negotations:

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/inside_the_konerko_discussions/3755768?new_post=true

FielderJones
12-08-2010, 02:46 PM
Start stenciling in #14 on the OF wall.

as well as # 56

I look forward to the day when all Sox players wear three-digit numbers.

ChiSoxGirl
12-08-2010, 02:46 PM
Okay everyone. Take a deep breath. That wasn't so bad, was it?

Aw hell, I'll join in the celebrating too.

Woo-hoo!:bandance:

Admittedly, I was a little worried last night when it seemed the Sox and Konerko/his agent had hit a wall in terms of the contract negotiations. I was surprised, relieved, and happy all the same when I got texts informing me of Konerko's re-upping from DumpJerry and WizardsofOzzie this morning. My fear changed to :bliss: :bliss: real fast! Thank you for re-signing, PK!!!!

TDog
12-08-2010, 03:01 PM
This is great news. People expect Konerko to be secondary to Dunn, and Dunn figures to hit more home runs. Indeed, last year, Dunn hit one more home run while Konerko was enjoying the best year to date in his career. Konerko hit about 50 points higher. His on-base percentage was about 40 points higher. He struck out almost 90 fewer times than Dunn and hit into one less doubleplay.

Numbers in 2010, though, don't count toward 2011. This signing gives the White Sox two big hitters, one from the right side, one from the left, who hit 39 and 40 home runs last season in the middle of the order. The White Sox maintain strong defense at first, and Dunn will be able to play the field to give Konerko an occasional day off. Rotating in at DH last season, I think, helped Konerko in 2010.

The key to the White Sox offensively in 2011 will be getting off to a good start. Pierre and Ramirez -- especially Ramirez -- generally don't. Dunn will be adjusting to a new league (something that probably amplified Pierre's slow start in 2010). But if Quentin comes back strong in a lineup he doesn't have to carry as he did through most of 2008, this could be a very strong lineup with Konerko-Dunn-Quentin-Pierzynski R-L-R-L in the middle of the order. If I were making out the lineup, I would have Rios hitting second with the infielders who throw to Konerko at the bottom of the order. All of that will sort itself out. Opening day lineups are rarely the lineups contenders go with late in the season.

Offense, though, wasn't the reason the White Sox didn't win the division in 2010. In the end, their pitching failed them. The White Sox had one of the AL's top offensive teams in July (when they moved into first place) and August (when the Twins began to pull away), hitting nearly .300 over those two months and finishing second (just 4 behind the Yankees) in runs scored. Offense dropped off in September, perhaps coincidentally, after Manny Ramirez was put in the DH spot, but it was the pitching after the Sox lost Peavy that led to experiencing a losing August.

The 2011 White Sox, as was the case with the 2010 White Sox, will only go as far as pitching takes them.

twinsuck
12-08-2010, 03:17 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance:

Thank god.....

beasly213
12-08-2010, 03:22 PM
Admittedly, I was a little worried last night when it seemed the Sox and Konerko/his agent had hit a wall in terms of the contract negotiations. I was surprised, relieved, and happy all the same when I got texts informing me of Konerko's re-upping from DumpJerry and WizardsofOzzie this morning. My fear changed to :bliss: :bliss: real fast! Thank you for re-signing, PK!!!!


I don't think they ever hit a wall. The only one who was reporting as such was Cowely who is now 0 for the off season on everything he has reported.

spawn
12-08-2010, 03:26 PM
I don't think they ever hit a wall. The only one who was reporting as such was Cowely who is now 0 for the off season on everything he has reported.

No...he covered himself by saying what Jerry wanted, Jerry gets. He was throwing **** against the wall hoping it would stick.

Noneck
12-08-2010, 03:31 PM
No...he covered himself by saying what Jerry wanted, Jerry gets. He was throwing **** against the wall hoping it would stick.

Not only throwing **** but mixing the cauldron with a oar, with that tweet last night that the cubs were looking at getting Paul.

GlassSox
12-08-2010, 03:37 PM
I am so glad that Paulie is back and I look forward to Sox baseball next summer (my 1st summer in retirement). The Dunn Konerko combination should be exciting and productive. :D:

Carolina Kenny
12-08-2010, 03:39 PM
This is great news. People expect Konerko to be secondary to Dunn, and Dunn figures to hit more home runs. Indeed, last year, Dunn hit one more home run while Konerko was enjoying the best year to date in his career. Konerko hit about 50 points higher. His on-base percentage was about 40 points higher. He struck out almost 90 fewer times than Dunn and hit into one less doubleplay.

Numbers in 2010, though, don't count toward 2011. This signing gives the White Sox two big hitters, one from the right side, one from the left, who hit 39 and 40 home runs last season in the middle of the order. The White Sox maintain strong defense at first, and Dunn will be able to play the field to give Konerko an occasional day off. Rotating in at DH last season, I think, helped Konerko in 2010.

The key to the White Sox offensively in 2011 will be getting off to a good start. Pierre and Ramirez -- especially Ramirez -- generally don't. Dunn will be adjusting to a new league (something that probably amplified Pierre's slow start in 2010). But if Quentin comes back strong in a lineup he doesn't have to carry as he did through most of 2008, this could be a very strong lineup with Konerko-Dunn-Quentin-Pierzynski R-L-R-L in the middle of the order. If I were making out the lineup, I would have Rios hitting second with the infielders who throw to Konerko at the bottom of the order. All of that will sort itself out. Opening day lineups are rarely the lineups contenders go with late in the season.

Offense, though, wasn't the reason the White Sox didn't win the division in 2010. In the end, their pitching failed them. The White Sox had one of the AL's top offensive teams in July (when they moved into first place) and August (when the Twins began to pull away), hitting nearly .300 over those two months and finishing second (just 4 behind the Yankees) in runs scored. Offense dropped off in September, perhaps coincidentally, after Manny Ramirez was put in the DH spot, but it was the pitching after the Sox lost Peavy that led to experiencing a losing August.

The 2011 White Sox, as was the case with the 2010 White Sox, will only go as far as pitching takes them.

The Sox are are a desirable MLB location and we have Uncle Jerry to thank for that. We are just a couple of pitchers and career normal season from existing roster players, from the playoffs and beyond. Be, happy, be very happy today that we are in the hunt. This dog can hunt.

GoGoCrede
12-08-2010, 03:48 PM
And once again I was stuck at work when the news broke. All I can say is: Thank God, and I cannot WAIT till Opening Day.

soxlady8
12-08-2010, 04:17 PM
My day got instantly better. :D:


I so agree with this statement .
I cannot wait until the season starts already !!!!

beasly213
12-08-2010, 04:21 PM
No...he covered himself by saying what Jerry wanted, Jerry gets. He was throwing **** against the wall hoping it would stick.

He said all that after writing a column saying a deal is looking grimm. Someone needs to call him out on "Who ya Crappin" tomorrow on B and B

Nellie_Fox
12-08-2010, 04:25 PM
He said all that after writing a column saying a deal is looking grimm. It was just a fairy tale.

Zisk77
12-08-2010, 04:56 PM
I am so glad that Paulie is back and I look forward to Sox baseball next summer (my 1st summer in retirement). The Dunn Konerko combination should be exciting and productive. :D:


Congrats, Im's jealous.

Noneck
12-08-2010, 05:03 PM
Paul will be live on wscr in 30 minutes.

KenBerryGrab
12-08-2010, 05:05 PM
In a nice coincidence, the group sales rep called right after the signing, and we have our 25 seats for opening day!

TomBradley72
12-08-2010, 05:19 PM
After watching the Robin Ventura debacle before he left- this is a major turnaround for the franchise- it's great to see our "good guys" with long tenures with the team- Buehrle, Konerko, AJ- hopefully more to follow over the years.

CWSpalehoseCWS
12-08-2010, 05:35 PM
Great news, and I'm definitely looking forward to next season. This team's offensive woes are hopefully gone. Dunn/Konerko is gonna be a nice 1-2 punch that they were missing last year.

voodoochile
12-08-2010, 05:40 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance:

Thank god.....

:KW
"You're welcome..."

TheVulture
12-08-2010, 05:59 PM
And he's right about the bullpen, but we all have the same concern. It's early in the winter, we'll see what happens.

Seems like you have about the same chance of success by identifying bargain relievers and minor league talent as you do going out and signing expensive free agents. It's a lot easier to dig up serviceable middle relievers than guys you want going to the plate 600+ times a year.

WSox597
12-08-2010, 06:08 PM
I'm extremely happy Paulie re-signed with the Sox. He's my favorite current player, and the face of the franchise right now.

Good job, and welcome back!

I'm really looking forward to 2011.

BRDSR
12-08-2010, 06:42 PM
I have this funny feeling growing in the pit of my stomach...I think it's that I am expecting for the White Sox to win something significant. Last time I felt like this was after Game 3 of the 2005 ALCS. I like this feeling, but it also raises the stakes.

I've heard speculation that if this deal were to happen, one of our six bona fide starting pitchers would not all start the season with the White Sox. Wouldn't figure it to be Peavy or Sale, as the former is a risk to other teams and the latter is cheap...but I don't want to let any of the other four go, either!

A little bummed that my first season in Phoenix won't begin until May, so I'll miss this spring training, but thrilled to see three away games against the D-Backs on the schedule in June!

DonnieDarko
12-08-2010, 06:52 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAGoaEvJOIItDphR0xnXUKDYOzDF9kT a3HEKxdzcGEap4-GWNRFQhttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyhaVPsjNJEHxw8n0cFqu_fQe8AVwCd HOZ1uIkKBC69njVEC7a

...someone needs to make that into a sign for whenever we beat the Twins, because that is just freaking awesome.

JermaineDye05
12-08-2010, 07:09 PM
...someone needs to make that into a sign for whenever we beat the Twins, because that is just freaking awesome.

I don't know, Mario looks too much like Carl Pavano.

JB98
12-08-2010, 07:17 PM
Did I need teal?

As we presently sit, who will be the setup men? [For the purpose of this exercise, assume that Peavy won't be ready to start throwing 'til March, meaning Sale will have to start; Assume that Garcia won't be back, because he earned a better contract than the SOX can now offer; Assume that Thornton will close.

Thornton and Santos. Sale is the closer as we presently sit.

But what does it matter now? It's Dec. 8. The offseason is far from complete.

Why do we have to have people pissing and moaning and fretting when management has spent some $$$ to put together a good lineup for us? The offseason is off to a great start. Even if KW does nothing more, what he's accomplished so far is better than the previous two offseasons combined.

Basically, the Sox need two arms for the bullpen and they have three months to find them.

FielderJones
12-08-2010, 07:51 PM
Paul will be live on wscr in 30 minutes.

Good stuff (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2F redirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2F d0%2Fd0%2FdW%2FdB%2FdO%2Fd9%2FWBO9_3.MP3%3Fauthtok %3D5561320497026305186_nXsnlsX2GndoQgm9tWFeCeUm9y4&podcast_name=Paul+Konerko+on+the+Boers+and+Bernste in+Show&podcast_artist=Boers+and+Bernstein&station_id=391&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.CHI)

TheVulture
12-08-2010, 07:53 PM
Thornton and Santos. Sale is the closer as we presently sit.

But what does it matter now? It's Dec. 8. The offseason is far from complete.

Why do we have to have people pissing and moaning and fretting when management has spent some $$$ to put together a good lineup for us? The offseason is off to a great start. Even if KW does nothing more, what he's accomplished so far is better than the previous two offseasons combined.

Basically, the Sox need two arms for the bullpen and they have three months to find them.

The Sox have come a long way from the days of filling out a starting rotation behind Todd Ritchie. Now folks are ****ting bricks over filling out the bullpen? I'll take it.

doublem23
12-08-2010, 07:54 PM
Thornton and Santos. Sale is the closer as we presently sit.

But what does it matter now? It's Dec. 8. The offseason is far from complete.

Why do we have to have people pissing and moaning and fretting when management has spent some $$$ to put together a good lineup for us? The offseason is off to a great start. Even if KW does nothing more, what he's accomplished so far is better than the previous two offseasons combined.

Basically, the Sox need two arms for the bullpen and they have three months to find them.

Seriously, I see why people are fretting over the bullpen but its DECEMBER ****ING EIGHTH and the Sox just spend $70 million on two of the best free agents out there. Chill the hell out, worry about the bullpen tomorrow. Today, dream of parades down LaSalle Street.

BoysMom3
12-08-2010, 08:00 PM
Yes!!!

kittle42
12-08-2010, 08:01 PM
Seriously, I see why people are fretting over the bullpen but its DECEMBER ****ING EIGHTH and the Sox just spend $70 million on two of the best free agents out there. Chill the hell out, worry about the bullpen tomorrow. Today, dream of parades down LaSalle Street.

Couldn't agree more.

Can't wait til all the spring training bitching followed by the tired "the games aren't played on paper" crap.

The offseason - fun and horrible all at the same time.

Brian26
12-08-2010, 08:15 PM
I'm very proud to be a Sox fan today.

The Konerko contract is so amazing on so many different levels, especially after the Werth deal. The one point that I haven't seen mentioned yet and what I find most interesting is the $7M deferred over 2014-2020. People who deal in finance can attest to this better than I can, but $1 million in 2020 isn't going to be close to the same value as $1M today or $1M in 2013. I'm sure PK and his agent are aware of that, and I know Jerry is. Just an amazing gesture on Konerko's part to accept that after AJ and Dunn backloaded their contracts for PK. Great stuff.

HomeFish
12-08-2010, 08:21 PM
At that price, even I can't complain about this signing.

Domeshot17
12-08-2010, 08:41 PM
If we shore up the pen, and I admit as I said earlier, I am all for bringing back Jenks on an incentive based deal to close, this could be the most talented White Sox team since 2006, which might have been the most talented White Sox team ever. A lot hinges on Peavy, but this team has a chance to win 92-95 games with a decent pen

TheVulture
12-08-2010, 08:48 PM
At that price, even I can't complain about this signing.

Don't be so hard on yourself, homey.

kittle42
12-08-2010, 09:37 PM
At that price, even I can't complain about this signing.

It's a Fesitvus miracle!

kittle42
12-08-2010, 09:38 PM
but this team has a chance to win 92-95 games with a decent pen

But, but, but...the games aren't played on paper! Pirates v. Royals World Series!

DonnieDarko
12-08-2010, 09:46 PM
Depending on how long he plays, he has an outside shot at 500 career homers.

...not really? He has to hit 135 HRs to get that plateau. Even if he hits 40 HRs for the next three years he won't get there.

Now, if he decides to play one more year in the league than his current contract? He just MIGHT get there.

BRDSR
12-08-2010, 10:33 PM
...not really? He has to hit 135 HRs to get that plateau. Even if he hits 40 HRs for the next three years he won't get there.

Now, if he decides to play one more year in the league than his current contract? He just MIGHT get there.

I agree that it's pretty unlikely that he'll get to 500 in three seasons. What I'm more interested in is, if he does play through 2014 or 2015 with the White Sox, would he hit 500 home runs in silver and black? Only 14 of his home runs were hit prior to joining the Sox, so he needs 149 more.

I took a brief look at the 25-member 500 Home Run Club, and without doing any sort of real analysis, I'd venture a guess that half of the club hit 500 with the same team. Would be in pretty exclusive company.

doublem23
12-09-2010, 12:18 AM
I took a brief look at the 25-member 500 Home Run Club, and without doing any sort of real analysis, I'd venture a guess that half of the club hit 500 with the same team. Would be in pretty exclusive company.

That'd be correct, only 11 guys have hit 500+ HR with one team; Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Bonds, Killebrew, Schmidt, Sosa, Mantle, Williams, Banks, and Ott.

chisox77
12-09-2010, 12:41 AM
This is a real good day for White Sox fans. I feel genuine optimism and excitement about the 2011 season, and am thrilled that more than likely, PK will spend the rest of his career on the South Side.

Way to go Mr. Williams, Mr. Hahn, and Mr. Reinsdorf.

mjmcend
12-09-2010, 12:58 AM
I'm very proud to be a Sox fan today.

The Konerko contract is so amazing on so many different levels, especially after the Werth deal. The one point that I haven't seen mentioned yet and what I find most interesting is the $7M deferred over 2014-2020. People who deal in finance can attest to this better than I can, but $1 million in 2020 isn't going to be close to the same value as $1M today or $1M in 2013. I'm sure PK and his agent are aware of that, and I know Jerry is. Just an amazing gesture on Konerko's part to accept that after AJ and Dunn backloaded their contracts for PK. Great stuff.

As for the deferred money, assuming a 4% discount rate (close enough to the 10-year Treasury now), that $7MM over those years is worth $6MM in 2013. So basically he is giving up $1MM.

shingo10
12-09-2010, 01:08 AM
Just got home and it's late so I don't feel like sifting through to see if anyone else already posted this but Paulie talked on B&B this afternoon for a good half hour. The link to it is probably on the score's website.

Anyway the part I found really interesting is when they asked him about the teams stance on Ozzie and Kenny last year. Basically he said that it was a distraction and went as far as to say that some people were focused on that during the middle of games! To me that's crazy.

Hopefully all the reports are true and Kenny and Ozzie are getting along as good as they say they are. Can't have those distractions this year. I feel like this have been a much more positive offseason to this point. Hopefully that continues.

DrCrawdad
12-09-2010, 01:49 AM
Just got home and it's late so I don't feel like sifting through to see if anyone else already posted this but Paulie talked on B&B this afternoon for a good half hour. The link to it is probably on the score's website.

Anyway the part I found really interesting is when they asked him about the teams stance on Ozzie and Kenny last year. Basically he said that it was a distraction and went as far as to say that some people were focused on that during the middle of games! To me that's crazy.

Hopefully all the reports are true and Kenny and Ozzie are getting along as good as they say they are. Can't have those distractions this year. I feel like this have been a much more positive offseason to this point. Hopefully that continues.

Thanks for the heads up. Here's the link. (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/show/the-boers-and-bernstein-show/)

GoSox2K3
12-09-2010, 08:46 AM
Thornton and Santos. Sale is the closer as we presently sit.

But what does it matter now? It's Dec. 8. The offseason is far from complete.

Why do we have to have people pissing and moaning and fretting when management has spent some $$$ to put together a good lineup for us? The offseason is off to a great start. Even if KW does nothing more, what he's accomplished so far is better than the previous two offseasons combined.

Basically, the Sox need two arms for the bullpen and they have three months to find them.

People can discuss now what the Sox are going to do about the bullpen without it being pissing and moaning.

It's a legitimate point of discussion: How does the bullpen shape up before opening day since we have quite a few holes, not much farm system talent, and KW said today that they were "tapped out" on payroll?

That doesn't take away from the awesomeness of the Sox signing Konerko today on the heels of them signing Dunn. But, IMO, the bullpen is the last big question mark in an otherwise solid roster. Maybe the fact that all we have left to talk about now is our bullpen situation speaks to how good the rest of the team looks. :cool:

So, I'm not going to complain ....but I'm still going to ask because the bullpen does need to be addressed (even if that doesn't happen before Christmas).

Railsplitter
12-09-2010, 08:50 AM
:bandance:
:supernana:
YES!

ode to veeck
12-09-2010, 08:55 AM
welcome back Kaptain Konerko!

asindc
12-09-2010, 08:55 AM
People can discuss now what the Sox are going to do about the bullpen without it being pissing and moaning.

It's a legitimate point of discussion: How does the bullpen shape up before opening day since we have quite a few holes, not much farm system talent, and KW said today that they were "tapped out" on payroll?

That doesn't take away from the awesomeness of the Sox signing Konerko today on the heels of them signing Dunn. But, IMO, the bullpen is the last big question mark in an otherwise solid roster. Maybe the fact that all we have left to talk about now is our bullpen situation speaks to how good the rest of the team looks. :cool:

So, I'm not going to complain ....but I'm still going to ask because the bullpen does need to be addressed (even if that doesn't happen before Christmas).

I think it's not likely to happen before Christmas and probably won't be completed until late January. There are a lot of good position players and a few starters still on the board who will most likely get contracts before middle relievers are snapped up.

spawn
12-09-2010, 12:36 PM
I like it:

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khan
12-09-2010, 12:49 PM
Thornton and Santos. Sale is the closer as we presently sit.
I don't think KW, nor OG, nor any of us like this possibility. I also think that it is entirely fair to so state this concern. KW has stated as much, as have others here. Is KW "pissing and moaning and fretting" too?

But what does it matter now? It's Dec. 8. The offseason is far from complete.

Why do we have to have people pissing and moaning and fretting when management has spent some $$$ to put together a good lineup for us?
No one is "pissing and moaning and fretting." We're all happy about the recent acquisitions/re-acquisitions.

However, I [and others] merely think it is perfectly legit to wonder about the next step. I think this is fair, given the front office's proclivity to put together incomplete teams in recent years, to wonder about the bullpen.

I guess in your world, if we're not all fat, dumb, and happy ALL THE TIME about a team that hasn't delivered in recent years, we're "pissing and moaning and fretting," right? Why EVER question this team, since they've accomplished so much in recent years? I mean, 2005 kicked off a DYNASTY of ever-lasting duration...


The offseason is off to a great start. Even if KW does nothing more, what he's accomplished so far is better than the previous two offseasons combined.
Agreed about the first sentence. This offseason is off to a great start.

The second sentence merely lowers the bar for KW, IMO. [Nothing quite like comparing the re-signing of Mark Kotsay in last offseason to the re-signing of AJ and PK, right?] I think we should expect MORE out of the front office, not less. [For a variety of reasons.]

Basically, the Sox need two arms for the bullpen and they have three months to find them.
And in this regard, we agree. So are you "pissing and moaning and fretting" because you stated the same thing others have stated here too?

We all want the front office to finish the job, and to put together as complete team as possible. One that can win the WS. IMO, it is intellectually dishonest to state that others are "pissing and moaning and fretting" when we all share the same excitement and the same concerns about the team.

Lip Man 1
12-09-2010, 02:22 PM
Scott merkin had a story where he talked about how the 2007 bullpen was a disatser and that Kenny will not make the same mistake twice.

I agree.

Plenty of decent bridge arms out there. Sox need to sign two to go along with Sale, Thornton, Santos and Pena. I tend to think if Peavy progresses (and the stories today say he is ahead of schedule), Sale stays in the pen...if not and he's moved to the starters role they may still sign Gartcia for some flexibility in case it doesn't work or he needs to go back to the pen.

Still a long off season...Kenny won't risk everything with a bad bullpen.

Lip

gobears1987
12-09-2010, 02:50 PM
...not really? He has to hit 135 HRs to get that plateau. Even if he hits 40 HRs for the next three years he won't get there.

Now, if he decides to play one more year in the league than his current contract? He just MIGHT get there.

As I said, it depends on how long he plays. If he plays a few years after this contract ends, he might do it. If he plays a total of 5 more seasons (two more after his current contract ends) I think he will get it.

TDog
12-09-2010, 04:23 PM
Scott merkin had a story where he talked about how the 2007 bullpen was a disatser and that Kenny will not make the same mistake twice.

I agree.

Plenty of decent bridge arms out there. Sox need to sign two to go along with Sale, Thornton, Santos and Pena. I tend to think if Peavy progresses (and the stories today say he is ahead of schedule), Sale stays in the pen...if not and he's moved to the starters role they may still sign Gartcia for some flexibility in case it doesn't work or he needs to go back to the pen.

Still a long off season...Kenny won't risk everything with a bad bullpen.

Lip

But going into the season, the 2007 bullpen was assessed to be a team strength, and in April there was a thread suggesting it could be the greatest bullpen of all time. Signing and overpaying (and continuing to overpay for Linebrink as a member of the Braves) was a reaction to the up-and-coming great arms. Last year's bullpen, with Santos and later Sale after Santos ran out of gas and the veteran Putz went to both young up-and-coming arms and experience, although Putz was one of the reasons the bullpen was bad in August when the race began to slip away from the Sox. Santos didn't help late in the season either.

It doesn't look like the Sox have any young up-and-coming arms. Sale, Thornton, Santos, Pena and some openings. I don't know if Infante is still in the plans or if he is still with the organization. The Sox have so many bullpen openings that he could end up there by default.

There isn't much to trade. You don't trade starting pitching for relief pitching, of course. If a blockbuster deal is looming there might be bullpen help included, but I don't see the ingredients for a blockbuster trade. Anyway, you might get excited about Jonathan Broxton, but he had seven blown saves last year and could end up being less effective than Jenks, no matter how hard he throws. You could trade for Heath Bell, but he may be due for a bad season.

Free agents are risky (riskier than David Riske, who the White Sox got from the Red Sox for Javier Lopez who has earned two World Series rings since the deal). Go ahead and sign Kerry Wood. He could turn into more of a money pit than Linebrink ever was. The Yankees long ago discovered the folly of putting a lot of money into middle relief, but that top free agent closer is always a gamble.

In 2010, the Sox actually had a very good bullpen until it was the chief reason for a losing August when the Sox had one of the best offenses in the American League.

Saying you won't make the mistake by going into the season with a bad bullpen is a lot easier said than done, especially when you have so many openings to fill.

Although it's been said many times, many ways, building a bullpen is a crapshoot. Luck is required.

Lip Man 1
12-09-2010, 06:50 PM
T-Dog:

"So many openings to fill?" Say what?? Two bullpen bridge guys to go along with Thornton, Sale, Santos and Pena.

That's not exactly the 'little Dutch Boy' trying to plug the numerous holes in the dike.

With all the relief pitchers out there you can get some reliable guys for a good price. Hell the Braves just got Sherrill for 1.2 million.

Me thinks you are overstating the case just a wee bit...:smile:

And I can't speak for everyone but please tell me who said the 2007 bullpen was a strength? There were a ton of folks just here at WSI who were saying it was a major gamble since practically every one of the guys Kenny brought in were either untested or had little to no track record of success at any level, major league or minor league.

Lip

TDog
12-09-2010, 09:33 PM
T-Dog:

"So many openings to fill?" Say what?? Two bullpen bridge guys to go along with Thornton, Sale, Santos and Pena.

That's not exactly the 'little Dutch Boy' trying to plug the numerous holes in the dike.

With all the relief pitchers out there you can get some reliable guys for a good price. Hell the Braves just got Sherrill for 1.2 million.

Me thinks you are overstating the case just a wee bit...:smile:

And I can't speak for everyone but please tell me who said the 2007 bullpen was a strength? There were a ton of folks just here at WSI who were saying it was a major gamble since practically every one of the guys Kenny brought in were either untested or had little to no track record of success at any level, major league or minor league.

Lip

Baseball analysts were talking about the White Sox bullpen being a strength at the beginning of the 2007 season. In April there was a WSI thread suggesting the bullpen could have be the greatest of all time.

I don't know if the Sox are planning to go with 10 or 11 or even 12 relievers. But if you are looking at a couple of those relievers being pitchers who will just burn innings when games are in doubt, they would have been better off holding on to Linebrink instead of paying the Braves most of his salary to take him.

I honestly don't know how many free agents they are going to sign, but Thornton, Santos and Sale provide a fragile foundation. Santos will be in his third season as a professional pitcher. Sale was drafted just last season. Thornton needs more rest than most relievers to remain effective. If the Sox sign four free agent relievers, chances are that at least two will prove just as ineffective as Linebrink would have been.

soltrain21
12-09-2010, 09:35 PM
Baseball analysts were talking about the White Sox bullpen being a strength at the beginning of the 2007 season. In April there was a WSI thread suggesting the bullpen could have be the greatest of all time.

I don't know if the Sox are planning to go with 10 or 11 or even 12 relievers. But if you are looking at a couple of those relievers being pitchers who will just burn innings when games are in doubt, they would have been better off holding on to Linebrink instead of paying the Braves most of his salary to take him.

I honestly don't know how many free agents they are going to sign, but Thornton, Santos and Sale provide a fragile foundation. Santos will be in his third season as a professional pitcher. Sale was drafted just last season. Thornton needs more rest than most relievers to remain effective. If the Sox sign four free agent relievers, chances are that at least two will prove just as ineffective as Linebrink would have been.

Well...that would be poor roster management.

sullythered
12-09-2010, 09:45 PM
Baseball analysts were talking about the White Sox bullpen being a strength at the beginning of the 2007 season. In April there was a WSI thread suggesting the bullpen could have be the greatest of all time.

I don't know if the Sox are planning to go with 10 or 11 or even 12 relievers. But if you are looking at a couple of those relievers being pitchers who will just burn innings when games are in doubt, they would have been better off holding on to Linebrink instead of paying the Braves most of his salary to take him.

I honestly don't know how many free agents they are going to sign, but Thornton, Santos and Sale provide a fragile foundation. Santos will be in his third season as a professional pitcher. Sale was drafted just last season. Thornton needs more rest than most relievers to remain effective. If the Sox sign four free agent relievers, chances are that at least two will prove just as ineffective as Linebrink would have been.

Huh? In his three best seasons, by far, Thornton has pitched 72, 67, and 60 innings. That's certainly not "more rest than most relievers."

Brian26
12-09-2010, 09:47 PM
As for the deferred money, assuming a 4% discount rate (close enough to the 10-year Treasury now), that $7MM over those years is worth $6MM in 2013. So basically he is giving up $1MM.

Thinking about it from another perspective, what kind of tax implications are there for Konerko in regards to earning $13.5 million in one year versus $6.5M or $1M? Is he in the highest tax bracket and paying the same % in either situation?

TDog
12-09-2010, 09:49 PM
Well...that would be poor roster management.

Thank you. I was looking at total pitchers.

TDog
12-09-2010, 09:52 PM
Huh? In his three best seasons, by far, Thornton has pitched 72, 67, and 60 innings. That's certainly not "more rest than most relievers."

Look at his game logs and the days of rest for his ineffective outings.

asindc
12-09-2010, 10:04 PM
Thinking about it from another perspective, what kind of tax implications are there for Konerko in regards to earning $13.5 million in one year versus $6.5M or $1M? Is he in the highest tax bracket and paying the same % in either situation?

Yes.

Lip Man 1
12-09-2010, 10:42 PM
T-Dog:

Let's see.....

Nick Masset, Boone Logan, David Aardsma, Andy Sisco, Ehren Wassermann...yea those baseball analysts sure know what they're talking about.

:rolleyes:

Decent relief pitchers are a dime a dozen. Fear not...Kenny will find two and they'll get the job done. He's not totally, completely and irrevocably stupid.

Lip