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konerko 14
12-02-2010, 03:53 PM
The Sox are get him for 4 years, 56 million.

hi im skot
12-02-2010, 03:54 PM
News to me!!!

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 03:55 PM
Holy cow! You don't say?!

FielderJones
12-02-2010, 03:56 PM
I guess I'd like to see a link to the official Sox site, or something.

Bruizer
12-02-2010, 03:56 PM
My son says it's a Dunn deal! :cool:

gr8mexico
12-02-2010, 03:56 PM
SOX GET IT DUNN!! :bandance::bandance:

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 03:57 PM
Damn. Why wasn't there a thread tracking this rumor?

whitem0nkey
12-02-2010, 03:57 PM
From: @ChuckGarfien
Sent: Dec 2, 2010 3:44p

LA Times reporting that Sox CLOSE to signing Adam Dunn. 4 years, $56 million.

sent via web
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/10449211808026625

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 03:58 PM
From: @ChuckGarfien
Sent: Dec 2, 2010 3:44p

LA Times reporting that Sox CLOSE to signing Adam Dunn. 4 years, $56 million.

sent via web
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/10449211808026625

It's done. Or should I say DUNN LOLAMIRITE?

guillensdisciple
12-02-2010, 04:01 PM
Paulie seems to want to come back too, wow, what a rapid change next year could be for us. If paulie resigns, forget about the issues with dh.

Bruizer
12-02-2010, 04:01 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2010/12/adam_dunn_reportedly_close_to.html

whitem0nkey
12-02-2010, 04:01 PM
From: @ChicagoSports
Sent: Dec 2, 2010 3:58p

Sox have a four-year deal (pending physical) with free-agent slugger Adam Dunn; Konerko may still be in play:: http://bit.ly/dIfLJg

sent via TweetDeck
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/ChicagoSports/status/10452831425269761

bigsoxfan420
12-02-2010, 04:02 PM
Rosenthal confirms...

http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 04:02 PM
It's not close. It's done. Buster confirmed it. As did Gammons

konerko 14
12-02-2010, 04:02 PM
Just heard on 670 that it's done, with physical tomorrow. :bandance:

soxpride724
12-02-2010, 04:02 PM
I have been seeing this everywhere all over the net in the last fifteen minutes.

hi im skot
12-02-2010, 04:03 PM
It's done. Or should I say DUNN LOLAMIRITE?

http://ncowie.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/clap.gif

FielderJones
12-02-2010, 04:03 PM
Holy ****
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2010/12/white-sox-sign-adam-dunn-to-4-year-deal/1

VMSNS
12-02-2010, 04:03 PM
Supposedly, we get Paulie back too! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 04:03 PM
Some of you need to check the "What's the Score Forum" more often. :cool:

hi im skot
12-02-2010, 04:04 PM
Supposedly, we get Paulie back too! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

Well, it sounds like they're working on it...

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 04:04 PM
Supposedly, we get Paulie back too! :bandance::bandance::bandance:
Speculation is that he would be more inclined to return. Nothing else.

PaleHoser
12-02-2010, 04:05 PM
And Heyman - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/12/02/white.sox.dunn/index.html?eref=sihp

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 04:07 PM
I'm not believing anything until Rockabilly posts something. We all know his track record. If he post it, it happens.

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 04:08 PM
Can we agree that Oney Guillen broke the news first.

First useful thing the kid does on Twiter.

JermaineDye05
12-02-2010, 04:08 PM
Dunn is gonna wear out RF in stadiums in the Central. Especially with Target Field and Comerica, and of course the Cell.

RedHeadPaleHoser
12-02-2010, 04:09 PM
Speculation is that he would be more inclined to return. Nothing else.

Cowley is on the Score; commented that the Sox want Paulie back and Dunn was one piece of that puzzle. I was driving and had to get out of the car and come back in the office so I didn't hear the rest.

Other than that.....:D::D::D:

hdog1017
12-02-2010, 04:10 PM
Great deal! I hope he leaves his glove in Washington though.

SephClone89
12-02-2010, 04:11 PM
Ugh, you can't listen to the Score online outside of the US so I'm forced to listen to ****ing ESPN 1000 here in England.

JermaineDye05
12-02-2010, 04:11 PM
Perfect way to start the weekend.

WhiteSox5187
12-02-2010, 04:11 PM
Dunn is gonna wear out RF in stadiums in the Central. Especially with Target Field and Comerica, and of course the Cell.

I would think that if we re-sign Paulie, Dunn is the DH.

On an unrelated note, what the hell does this mean for AJ? Is he as good as gone?

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 04:12 PM
Its Wednesday!!!!


....Nope.

JermaineDye05
12-02-2010, 04:12 PM
I would think that if we re-sign Paulie, Dunn is the DH.

On an unrelated note, what the hell does this mean for AJ? Is he as good as gone?

I was referring to his bat.

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 04:13 PM
The deal was initialy for $12 million per year but the Sox threw in 2 more if Dunn would leave his baseball gloves at home.

WhiteSox5187
12-02-2010, 04:13 PM
I was referring to his bat.

Ah.

JermaineDye05
12-02-2010, 04:15 PM
The deal was initialy for $12 million per year but the Sox threw in 2 more if Dunn would leave his baseball gloves at home.

Where'd you hear that?

asindc
12-02-2010, 04:15 PM
The deal was initialy for $12 million per year but the Sox threw in 2 more if Dunn would leave his baseball gloves at home.

A good investment.

soxinem1
12-02-2010, 04:15 PM
Now sign Paulie!!!!

The deal was initialy for $12 million per year but the Sox threw in 2 more if Dunn would leave his baseball gloves at home.

Fielding gloves yes, batting gloves, uh, NO!!!

And congrats to KW for his first ever high-profile, new member to the team FA signing!

Chez
12-02-2010, 04:15 PM
Not a fan of Adam Dunn.

roylestillman
12-02-2010, 04:15 PM
I would think that if we re-sign Paulie, Dunn is the DH.

On an unrelated note, what the hell does this mean for AJ? Is he as good as gone?

And what's to become of Kotsay?

Chez
12-02-2010, 04:16 PM
Its Wednesday!!!!

It's Thursday!!!

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 04:16 PM
And what's to become of Kotsay?

Shoot. You are right.

CALL IT OFF!

WhiteSox5187
12-02-2010, 04:16 PM
And what's to become of Kotsay?

You'd hate to give up that type of leadership.

thomas35forever
12-02-2010, 04:17 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

Screw the DH-by-committee. THIS is more like it!

hi im skot
12-02-2010, 04:18 PM
And what's to become of Kotsay?

Shoot. You are right.

CALL IT OFF!

You'd hate to give up that type of leadership.

:thumbsup:

PennStater98r
12-02-2010, 04:20 PM
Not a fan of Adam Dunn.

Not everyone can be Big Frank - this guy has averaged 40 HR over the last 5 years - and has drawn an averaged 85 BB. I like this deal - especially if he's only wearing batting gloves.

Let's go get Paulie! I said it a month ago - and I'll say it again. I like the thought of getting both!

WhiteSox5187
12-02-2010, 04:20 PM
Now sign Paulie!!!!



Fielding gloves yes, batting gloves, uh, NO!!!

And congrats to KW for his first ever high-profile, new member to the team FA signing!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the Sox biggest FA signing since Belle, no?

soxinem1
12-02-2010, 04:21 PM
KW gets his man, five years earlier than normal!!!!!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the Sox biggest FA signing since Belle, no?

Biggest since Navarro, HAHA!

Bruizer
12-02-2010, 04:21 PM
One source says it's confirmed:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2010/12/adam_dunn_signs_four-year_cont.html

NardiWasHere
12-02-2010, 04:22 PM
A year late, but I'll take it!

WhiteSox5187
12-02-2010, 04:22 PM
One source says it's confirmed:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2010/12/adam_dunn_signs_four-year_cont.html

I think like EIGHT sources have said its confirmed.

WisSoxFan
12-02-2010, 04:22 PM
Yea!

TheOldRoman
12-02-2010, 04:22 PM
For all the people who whined how the Sox never sign top free agents, threw out that the Sox had gone "on the cheap" since signing Albert Belle, and how no free agents want to come here, you can run and tell that, homeboys.

Dunn is obviously a great power hitter. However, $14 mil a year is a lot of money. Now Konerko might come back, probably at $14 mil also. With our rotation, that is going to be something like $80 mil invested in 7 players, Quentin presumably is going to be moved, we will get a new RF and we still have no bullpen outside of Thornton. I don't know how they are going to make it work financially unless they substantially raise payroll. Good luck, Kenny. You've got a lot of work ahead of you.

hi im skot
12-02-2010, 04:23 PM
I think like EIGHT sources have said its confirmed.

Seriously. Dunn is now with the Sox, folks.

JermaineDye05
12-02-2010, 04:23 PM
I'm really gonna enjoy seeing some of these for the next four years:

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12052009

Chez
12-02-2010, 04:23 PM
Let's go get Paulie! I said it a month ago - and I'll say it again. I like the thought of getting both!

Well, sure. But does anyone think that scenario is likely? I don't.

SephClone89
12-02-2010, 04:25 PM
For all the people who whined how the Sox never sign top free agents, threw out that the Sox had gone "on the cheap" since signing Albert Belle, and how no free agents want to come here, you can run and tell that, homeboys.



:bandance::bandance:

potw

Flight #24
12-02-2010, 04:25 PM
So now what - Viciedo hits the trading block for a C? Maybe he goes with an SP?

kittle42
12-02-2010, 04:25 PM
Hey, it only took a whole year for this team to figure out again that DH is a position in the AL!

SephClone89
12-02-2010, 04:25 PM
Well, sure. But does anyone think that scenario is likely? I don't.

A bunch of baseball writers, Chicago and national, seem to think it's possible.

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 04:25 PM
Well, sure. But does anyone think that scenario is likely? I don't.

It sounds like it could be likely. So I'm going to believe it's likely, because what the hell else am I supposed to do in the offseason but hope good things happen?

soxlady8
12-02-2010, 04:25 PM
I think this is a great pickup , however , the bullpen and catching holes
are HUGE !

thomas35forever
12-02-2010, 04:25 PM
For all the people who whined how the Sox never sign top free agents, threw out that the Sox had gone "on the cheap" since signing Albert Belle, and how no free agents want to come here, you can run and tell that, homeboys.


:bandance::bandance:
potw

I second this.

esbrechtel
12-02-2010, 04:26 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance: :bandance:

Soxman219
12-02-2010, 04:27 PM
Good. F*****g. News!


:)

LITTLE NELL
12-02-2010, 04:27 PM
Well, sure. But does anyone think that scenario is likely? I don't.

It makes sense because of what PK told management, I'm tired of 2nd place.
I think that PK forced their hand and now he comes back to the Sox and a WS contender.

TDog
12-02-2010, 04:28 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Dunn helping the Sox much, unless it leads to re-signing Konerko. Unfortunately, it seems to me more likely the Sox will have Dunn instead of Konerko, which would be a downgrade both offensively and defensively.

It gets people excited for the 2011 season, though, just as trading Steve Stone, Nick Swisher's father and Ken Frailing for Ron Santo got people excited about the 1974 season 27 Decembers ago.

soxinem1
12-02-2010, 04:28 PM
For all the people who whined how the Sox never sign top free agents, threw out that the Sox had gone "on the cheap" since signing Albert Belle, and how no free agents want to come here, you can run and tell that, homeboys.

Dunn is obviously a great power hitter. However, $14 mil a year is a lot of money. Now Konerko might come back, probably at $14 mil also. With our rotation, that is going to be something like $80 mil invested in 7 players, Quentin presumably is going to be moved, we will get a new RF and we still have no bullpen outside of Thornton. I don't know how they are going to make it work financially unless they substantially raise payroll. Good luck, Kenny. You've got a lot of work ahead of you.

Good. Send Viciedo and Quentin to STL for Rasmus.

Put Rasmus in CF, put Rios back in RF.

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 04:28 PM
It makes sense because of what PK told management, I'm tired of 2nd place.
I think that PK forced their hand and now he comes back to the Sox and a WS contender.

Let's not pretend like Kenny and Jerry don't want to win and Paulie forced them into this.

Randar68
12-02-2010, 04:29 PM
A bunch of baseball writers, Chicago and national, seem to think it's possible.

Backload Paulie's contract (or at least lighten it up front) so Edwin, Pierre and Linebrink are all off the docket after this year...

Wouldn't be opposed to trying to deal Viciedo if they can get value in return.

TomBradley72
12-02-2010, 04:29 PM
It gets people excited for the 2011 season, though, just as trading Steve Stone, Nick Swisher's father and Ken Frailing for Ron Santo got people excited about the 1974 season 27 Decembers ago.

Really?

Adam Dunn = 1974 edition of Ron Santo?

soxinem1
12-02-2010, 04:29 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Dunn helping the Sox much, unless it leads to re-signing Konerko. Unfortunately, it seems to me more likely the Sox will have Dunn instead of Konerko, which would be a downgrade both offensively and defensively.

It gets people excited for the 2011 season, though, just as trading Steve Stone, Nick Swisher's father and Ken Frailing for Ron Santo got people excited about the 1974 season 27 Decembers ago.

Ala PK after 2005, no way Konerko resigns unless he has some protection in the order. Now he does.

WhiteSox5187
12-02-2010, 04:30 PM
For all the people who whined how the Sox never sign top free agents, threw out that the Sox had gone "on the cheap" since signing Albert Belle, and how no free agents want to come here, you can run and tell that, homeboys.

Dunn is obviously a great power hitter. However, $14 mil a year is a lot of money. Now Konerko might come back, probably at $14 mil also. With our rotation, that is going to be something like $80 mil invested in 7 players, Quentin presumably is going to be moved, we will get a new RF and we still have no bullpen outside of Thornton. I don't know how they are going to make it work financially unless they substantially raise payroll. Good luck, Kenny. You've got a lot of work ahead of you.

I was just talking about this with my dad and he was saying that he thought that pitching was going the biggest problem going into the off season. There are a lot of question marks left to be addressed still, especially in the bullpen.

skobabe8
12-02-2010, 04:31 PM
....Nope.

I'm an overeager idiot!!!!

hi im skot
12-02-2010, 04:31 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Dunn helping the Sox much, unless it leads to re-signing Konerko. Unfortunately, it seems to me more likely the Sox will have Dunn instead of Konerko, which would be a downgrade both offensively and defensively.

Dunn is definitely NOT a downgrade offensively.

It gets people excited for the 2011 season, though, just as trading Steve Stone, Nick Swisher's father and Ken Frailing for Ron Santo got people excited about the 1974 season 27 Decembers ago.

:geezer:

WhiteSox5187
12-02-2010, 04:32 PM
Good. Send Viciedo and Quentin to STL for Rasmus.

Put Rasmus in CF, put Rios back in RF.

I think it's going to take more than Vicideo and Quentin for Rasmus. You would probably have to send either Floyd or Jackson and even that might not be enough. You could also include Buerhle, but I believe that we would then have to pay him even more than we owe him currently.

thomas35forever
12-02-2010, 04:32 PM
Ala PK after 2005, no way Konerko resigns unless he has some protection in the order. Now he does.
Even if the Sox fail to re-sign PK, at least we have another cleanup hitter if need be. Rios is the de facto No. 3 hitter, but now we have some insurance.

LITTLE NELL
12-02-2010, 04:32 PM
Well, sure. But does anyone think that scenario is likely? I don't.

Let's not pretend like Kenny and Jerry don't want to win and Paulie forced them into this.

Im sure they want to win but if they wanted to keep PK they had to show they are commited. As a lot of us said last summer, the Sox spend enough to win 88 games a year.

JermaineDye05
12-02-2010, 04:35 PM
Press conference tomorrow at ballpark at 2 p.m. for Dunn, apparently less than 20 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/10461962433462272) via web
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/934235221/Maria2_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin)
scottmerkin (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin)
Scott Merkin

“I guess since it’s out there … why don’t we talk about that tomorrow at 2 o’clock at the ballpark.’’ KW on Dunn rumors. less than 20 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/cst_sox/status/10462021799641088) via web
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1130468780/9-15_20Lachat_20cowley_201_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/cst_sox)
cst_sox (http://twitter.com/cst_sox)

ChiSoxGal85
12-02-2010, 04:35 PM
Adam's gonna look great in black! :bandance: I like!

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 04:36 PM
Adam's gonna look great in black! :bandance: I like!

But oh so ****ty in the new road greys.

THREAD SYNERGY.

PennStater98r
12-02-2010, 04:36 PM
A bunch of baseball writers, Chicago and national, seem to think it's possible.

Word! (Chez) ;)

ZombieRob
12-02-2010, 04:37 PM
At least with Dunn and possibly Konerko, the Sox can play both in Interleague home parks. Where as Thome was limited in those games

WhiteSox5187
12-02-2010, 04:37 PM
Press conference tomorrow at ballpark at 2 p.m. for Dunn, apparently less than 20 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/10461962433462272) via web
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/934235221/Maria2_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin)
scottmerkin (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin)
Scott Merkin

“I guess since it’s out there … why don’t we talk about that tomorrow at 2 o’clock at the ballpark.’’ KW on Dunn rumors. less than 20 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/cst_sox/status/10462021799641088) via web
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1130468780/9-15_20Lachat_20cowley_201_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/cst_sox)
cst_sox (http://twitter.com/cst_sox)

Prepare yourselves for the most disappointing press conference in the history of the franchise.

esbrechtel
12-02-2010, 04:37 PM
That has potential to be a really, really scary middle of the line up...

Rios, Konerko, Dunn....:drool:

FielderJones
12-02-2010, 04:38 PM
It gets people excited for the 2011 season, though, just as trading Steve Stone, Nick Swisher's father and Ken Frailing for Ron Santo got people excited about the 1974 season 27 Decembers ago.

34 year old Santo <<<<<< 31 year old Dunn.

And for the record, I hated the Santo trade and was not excited.

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 04:38 PM
That has potential to be a really, really scary middle of the line up...

Rios, Konerko, Dunn....:drool:

Even more so if Carlos ever returns to a semblance of his former self.

GlassSox
12-02-2010, 04:39 PM
Positive move and now let's get Paulie signed. :bandance:

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 04:39 PM
Even more so if Carlos ever returns to a semblance of his former self.

And Alexei keeps improving. And Beckham doesn't have another terrible first half.

Harry Potter
12-02-2010, 04:39 PM
Not sure if it's already been discussed in here, but who gets to wear #44 next year!?! :redneck

Chez
12-02-2010, 04:40 PM
But oh so ****ty in the new road greys.

THREAD SYNERGY.


Well played! :D: (for a Wednesday)!!!

hi im skot
12-02-2010, 04:40 PM
Even more so if Carlos ever returns to a semblance of his former self.

Will Quentin even be on the team next season?

TheOldRoman
12-02-2010, 04:40 PM
At least with Dunn and possibly Konerko, the Sox can play both in Interleague home parks. Where as Thome was limited in those gamesI assume you mean in NL parks. I could see that happening once or twice out of the 9 NL games, but Dunn is going to probably play first a few times and then get more rest. Pierre is good in LF and Dunn in LF makes Quentin look like Roberto Clemente in RF.

hi im skot
12-02-2010, 04:40 PM
Not sure if it's already been discussed in here, but who gets to wear #44 next year!?! :redneck

Give Dunn 45 and call it a day.

TheOldRoman
12-02-2010, 04:41 PM
And Alexei keeps improving. And Beckham doesn't have another terrible first half.Holy ****! We're gonna win the World Series!

Noneck
12-02-2010, 04:41 PM
I really hope the Sox have something up their sleeve and in their pocket for relief help. Dunn makes sense as a replacement for PK even tho he is a downgrade defensively. But if the Sox sign Paul to a long term contract, the Dunn deal is overkill for a DH considering the need for quality arms in the pen.

thomas35forever
12-02-2010, 04:41 PM
Holy ****! We're gonna win the World Series!
Hey, we can dream, right?

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 04:42 PM
Give Dunn 45 and call it a day.

But..but...MJ!

kittle42
12-02-2010, 04:42 PM
Not sure if it's already been discussed in here, but who gets to wear #44 next year!?! :redneck

Dan Pasqua.

esbrechtel
12-02-2010, 04:42 PM
Even more so if Carlos ever returns to a semblance of his former self.

I was also thinking Alexei when he is hot as well....

Pierre
Beckham
Rios
Konerko
Dunn
Alexei
Quentin
Catcher
Morel/Teahen

Ex-Chicagoan
12-02-2010, 04:42 PM
Not sure if it's already been discussed in here, but who gets to wear #44 next year!?! :redneck

Like the Fisk signing, he'll just reverse the digits. :wink:

kittle42
12-02-2010, 04:42 PM
I really hope the Sox have something up their sleeve and in their pocket for relief help. Dunn makes sense as a replacement for PK even tho he is a downgrade defensively. But if the Sox sign Paul to a long term contract, the Dunn deal is overkill for a DH considering the need for quality arms in the pen.

Yeah, cuz the offense was just gangbusters last season.

PennStater98r
12-02-2010, 04:43 PM
All I have to say is - holy ****!

Okay - one more thing. I wish I could say I like this better than the Belle signing, but I don't. That said. This is my second favorite free agent signing in the last 20 years! ;)

thomas35forever
12-02-2010, 04:44 PM
But..but...MJ!
Hey, don't forget about the #45 we just got rid of.

TheOldRoman
12-02-2010, 04:44 PM
But..but...MJ!Did you hear Reinsdorf secretly retired #1 on the Sox in honor of Derrick Rose?!?!?!

thomas35forever
12-02-2010, 04:45 PM
Did you hear Reinsdorf secretly retired #1 on the Sox in honor of Derrick Rose?!?!?!
What about Juan or One Dog?:emo:

PennStater98r
12-02-2010, 04:45 PM
I was also thinking Alexei when he is hot as well....

Pierre
Rios
Dunn
Konerko
A.J.
Alexei
Quentin
Beckham
Morel/Teahen

That's how I see it. Do you really move a .375 OBP guy to 5th in the line-up?

I also think - for some silly reason - we'll keep A.J.

downstairs
12-02-2010, 04:46 PM
Merry Christmas and/or Happy Hanukkah from Kenny!

Maybe we'll get a superstar on each of the 8 days of Hanukkah?

skobabe8
12-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Well played! :D: (for a Wednesday)!!!
:haddock:

BringHomeDaBacon
12-02-2010, 04:47 PM
I was also thinking Alexei when he is hot as well....

Pierre
Beckham
Rios
Konerko
Dunn
Alexei
Quentin
Catcher
Morel/Teahen

Oh hell yeah!

With that lineup I hope "Catcher" is a defensive specialist with a strong arm. I don't care if he hits .220.

thomas35forever
12-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Merry Christmas and/or Happy Hanukkah from Kenny!

Maybe we'll get a superstar on each of the 8 days of Hanukkah?
That's it! We need our own menorah on WSI!

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Since Albert Belle, this is the biggest fish the Sox have landed in Free Agency. The Biggest.


We have bitched and complain about the Sox not putting out the money, but here it is!


We landed one of the top 3 fishes in the FA market this year (Crawford, Lee, Dunn).

rdwj
12-02-2010, 04:48 PM
Wow - can't believe it

PennStater98r
12-02-2010, 04:49 PM
Since Albert Belle, this is the biggest fish the Sox have landed in Free Agency. The Biggest.


We have bitched and complain about the Sox not putting out the money, but here it is!


We landed one of the top 3 fishes in the FA market this year (Crawford, Lee, Dunn).

Get on it Kenny!

BringHomeDaBacon
12-02-2010, 04:50 PM
Since Albert Belle, this is the biggest fish the Sox have landed in Free Agency. The Biggest.


We have bitched and complain about the Sox not putting out the money, but here it is!


We landed one of the top 3 fishes in the FA market this year (Crawford, Lee, Dunn).

I don't dispute that it's a huge signing but Jayson Werth is probably a bigger fish and Adrian Beltre and V Martinez are pretty damn big fishes as well.

dwitt76
12-02-2010, 04:50 PM
Dunn is a little young for Kenny with his recent signings. I am happy. :smile:

TDog
12-02-2010, 04:52 PM
Really?

Adam Dunn = 1974 edition of Ron Santo?

Not as their playing abilities are concerned, but for their ability to help the team win, there could be little difference. If Dunn is the only free agent signing, if there are no more deals to address concerns, Dunn's effect on the White Sox would be much the same -- sell some tickets. In the end it will depend on the pitching if the 2010 White Sox are to finish better than the 80-win-80-loss-3-tie 1974 White Sox, but without re-signing Konerko or doing something at least as dramatic, Dunn isn't going to make the 2011 White Sox better than the 2010 White Sox.

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 04:53 PM
I don't dispute that it's a huge signing but Jayson Werth is probably a bigger fish.

I disagree. Jayson Werth is a very nice player but no even close to a 40hr/100 rbi guy year in and year out.

gobears1987
12-02-2010, 04:53 PM
I 100% support htis deal. Now let's sign PK too and win the WS.

konerko 14
12-02-2010, 04:54 PM
hopefully the lineup for 2011 is:

Pierre, LF
Beckham, 2B
Rios, CF
Dunn, DH
Konerko, 1B
Quentin, RF
Alexei, SS
A.J., C
Morel, 3B

NardiWasHere
12-02-2010, 04:54 PM
Dunn is a little young for Kenny with his recent signings. I am happy. :smile:

"Wait, did you play for the Indians in the 90's? Not? eh, nevermind.... Someone get David Justice's agent on the phone."

gogo59
12-02-2010, 04:54 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Dunn helping the Sox much, unless it leads to re-signing Konerko. Unfortunately, it seems to me more likely the Sox will have Dunn instead of Konerko, which would be a downgrade both offensively and defensively.

It gets people excited for the 2011 season, though, just as trading Steve Stone, Nick Swisher's father and Ken Frailing for Ron Santo got people excited about the 1974 season 27 Decembers ago.

Everyone is obviously excited about Dunn, for good reason, but I agree that if we don't resign Konerko, this is a downgrade. In addition to being a better all-around hitter than Dunn, Konerko is a very good fielder. If we put Dunn at 1B next year, we've added a LOT of K's to Paulie's numbers and have a much worse infield. I hope Kenny has a plan for getting Paulie signed, too, but I have a very hard time seeing where the money is going to come from in light of all the salary they've taken on in the past year with Jackson, Rios, and Peavy.

BringHomeDaBacon
12-02-2010, 04:56 PM
I disagree. Jayson Werth is a very nice player but no even close to a 40hr/100 rbi guy year in and year out.

Fair enough. Werth plays defense but you're right, it's tough to argue against 40/100.

asindc
12-02-2010, 04:57 PM
Not as their playing abilities are concerned, but for their ability to help the team win, there could be little difference. If Dunn is the only free agent signing, if there are no more deals to address concerns, Dunn's effect on the White Sox would be much the same -- sell some tickets. In the end it will depend on the pitching if the 2010 White Sox are to finish better than the 80-win-80-loss-3-tie 1974 White Sox, but without re-signing Konerko or doing something at least as dramatic, Dunn isn't going to make the 2011 White Sox better than the 2010 White Sox.

I seriously doubt that KW signed Dunn to replace Konerko. What little indication we've gotten from the scant reporting on what KW is trying to do indicates that Dunn was signed to replace Kotsay and he plans/hopes to re-sign Konerko. If he doesn't, signing LaRoche would be 85-80% as good IMO. I think Sox fans can be justifiably excited about the Dunn signing---as long as he is only plays the field occasionally.

TDog
12-02-2010, 04:57 PM
Everyone is obviously excited about Dunn, for good reason, but I agree that if we don't resign Konerko, this is a downgrade. In addition to being a better all-around hitter than Dunn, Konerko is a very good fielder. If we put Dunn at 1B next year, we've added a LOT of K's to Paulie's numbers and have a much worse infield. I hope Kenny has a plan for getting Paulie signed, too, but I have a very hard time seeing where the money is going to come from in light of all the salary they've taken on in the past year with Jackson, Rios, and Peavy.

I'm not excited about Dunn. I would be excited about Dunn if the White Sox re-sign Konerko. Effectively trading Dunn for Konerko diminishes the offense.

russ99
12-02-2010, 04:57 PM
Good deal! I'm sorry I called Jerry cheap this year.

If we can somehow get Konerko on board too for a lesser deal, that would be amazing!

dwitt76
12-02-2010, 04:58 PM
The thought of Dunn and Konerko................. Oops! Just messed myself.

BringHomeDaBacon
12-02-2010, 04:58 PM
Everyone is obviously excited about Dunn, for good reason, but I agree that if we don't resign Konerko, this is a downgrade. In addition to being a better all-around hitter than Dunn, Konerko is a very good fielder. If we put Dunn at 1B next year, we've added a LOT of K's to Paulie's numbers and have a much worse infield. I hope Kenny has a plan for getting Paulie signed, too, but I have a very hard time seeing where the money is going to come from in light of all the salary they've taken on in the past year with Jackson, Rios, and Peavy.

I agree with you about the defense but offensively Dunn's age 31-35 years are a clear upgrade over Paulie's age 35-39 years.

asindc
12-02-2010, 04:58 PM
hopefully the lineup for 2011 is:

Pierre, LF
Beckham, 2B
Rios, CF
Dunn, DH
Konerko, 1B
Quentin, RF
Alexei, SS
A.J., C
Morel, 3B

I approve of this lineup.

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 04:58 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Dunn helping the Sox much, unless it leads to re-signing Konerko. Unfortunately, it seems to me more likely the Sox will have Dunn instead of Konerko, which would be a downgrade both offensively and defensively.

It gets people excited for the 2011 season, though, just as trading Steve Stone, Nick Swisher's father and Ken Frailing for Ron Santo got people excited about the 1974 season 27 Decembers ago.


That's ludicrous.

Not taking anything away from what Paulie can do with the bat, but the numbers Dunn can post and hitting from the left side count for much much more.

WhiteSoxFTW
12-02-2010, 04:58 PM
\o/

Noneck
12-02-2010, 04:59 PM
Yeah, cuz the offense was just gangbusters last season.

No it wasnt but even with a weaker than average offense they were able to compete because of a better than average pitching staff. Unless they do something about their current pen, a Paul - Adam combo isn't enough to let them compete.

SoxGirl4Life
12-02-2010, 05:02 PM
YoYo!

Adam Dunn!?
Championship! ;)

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 05:02 PM
No it wasnt but even with a weaker than average offense they were able to compete because of a better than average pitching staff. Unless they do something about their current pen, a Paul - Adam combo isn't enough to let them compete.


The offense was the reason we did not win last year.

Pitching was more than good enough over the course of the year.

downstairs
12-02-2010, 05:06 PM
I love when I'm bored at work and sign in to WSI just to see what's up... and there's like hundreds of other people signed in. Ha!

skobabe8
12-02-2010, 05:09 PM
:wooty:

Woofer
12-02-2010, 05:09 PM
I love when I'm bored at work and sign in to WSI just to see what's up... and there's like hundreds of other people signed in. Ha!

Then you have to figure out if something good or bad has happened.:smile:

gf2020
12-02-2010, 05:13 PM
Can't believe it.

TDog
12-02-2010, 05:14 PM
That's ludicrous.

Not taking anything away from what Paulie can do with the bat, but the numbers Dunn can post and hitting from the left side count for much much more.

Dunn hit .260 last year with almost 200 strikeouts. It's ridiculous to assume that moving to a new team in the American League he can give the White Sox as much as Konerko did last year.

If he were hitting behind Konerko, he would provide him with some protection, but Dunn isn't someone I particularly want to see playing for the White Sox.

wulfy
12-02-2010, 05:18 PM
Since 2004, MLB HR leaders:

1) Albert Pujols
2) Adam Dunn (playing in pitchers parks in both CIN and WASH)

voodoochile
12-02-2010, 05:19 PM
Just saw this on a Rongey FB status so cool.

Way to go KW!

Zisk77
12-02-2010, 05:19 PM
Since 2004, MLB HR leaders:

1) Albert Pujols
2) Adam Dunn (playing in pitchers parks in both CIN and WASH)


i wouldn't call cincy a pitchers park.

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 05:19 PM
Dunn hit .260 last year with almost 200 strikeouts. It's ridiculous to assume that moving to a new team in the American League he can give the White Sox as much as Konerko did last year.

If he were hitting behind Konerko, he would provide him with some protection, but Dunn isn't someone I particularly want to see playing for the White Sox.

It would be ridiculous to assume that Konerko is going to duplicate his 2010 season.

Sockinchisox
12-02-2010, 05:20 PM
Dunner!

I'm so happy right now! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

voodoochile
12-02-2010, 05:21 PM
Dunn hit .260 last year with almost 200 strikeouts. It's ridiculous to assume that moving to a new team in the American League he can give the White Sox as much as Konerko did last year.

If he were hitting behind Konerko, he would provide him with some protection, but Dunn isn't someone I particularly want to see playing for the White Sox.

Gotta disagree here TDog. Sox have been seeking a middle of the order LH hitter since Thome left. Dunn should easily match Thome's production maybe more playing half his games in USHR field...

Domeshot17
12-02-2010, 05:21 PM
Way to go kenny!

PennStater98r
12-02-2010, 05:23 PM
Unless they do something about their current pen, a Paul - Adam combo isn't enough to let them compete.

A friend of mine just posted on Facebook that Buster Olney said Kenny's going for Heath Bell - anyone else find this out there?

wulfy
12-02-2010, 05:25 PM
i wouldn't call cincy a pitchers park.

That's probably true - middle of the road.

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 05:25 PM
Dunn hit .260 last year with almost 200 strikeouts. It's ridiculous to assume that moving to a new team in the American League he can give the White Sox as much as Konerko did last year.

If he were hitting behind Konerko, he would provide him with some protection, but Dunn isn't someone I particularly want to see playing for the White Sox.


And why would you assume Konerko will duplicate his MVP type season from last year?

That's ridiculous.

Zisk77
12-02-2010, 05:26 PM
Well some people should be incredibly happy. For so long many here pined over Jake Peavy and Adam Dunn and in 2 years voila! Now if Carl Crawford joined the pale hose. :redneck:redneck:redneck

TDog
12-02-2010, 05:27 PM
It would be ridiculous to assume that Konerko is going to duplicate his 2010 season.

He wouldn't have to to be a better hitter than Dunn.

If the Whtie Sox are depending on Dunn to provide their offense, they won't have much of an offense.

Unless they re-sign Konerko, Dunn won't help the White Sox.

ZombieRob
12-02-2010, 05:28 PM
Question. Do they trade Quentin to free up $$ for A.J and than put Teahan out in Right to fill that hole?

JermaineDye05
12-02-2010, 05:28 PM
Question. Do they trade Quentin to free up $$ for A.J and than put Teahan out in Right to fill that hole?

God no

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 05:29 PM
He wouldn't have to to be a better hitter than Dunn.

If the Sox are depending on Dunn to provide their offense, they won't have much of an offense.


:scratch:

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 05:30 PM
Question. Do they trade Quentin to free up $$ for A.J and than put Teahan out in Right to fill that hole?

Kenny said AJ is on the backburner right now, as he should be.

ZombieRob
12-02-2010, 05:30 PM
God no
Who plays RF if Quentin goes?

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 05:32 PM
Who plays RF if Quentin goes?


Probably whoever gets traded for Gavin Floyd.

sox1970
12-02-2010, 05:34 PM
Probably whoever gets traded for Gavin Floyd.

Wonder if Ian Stewart can play RF? :scratch:

skobabe8
12-02-2010, 05:34 PM
Adam Dunn's ranking in OPS last four years (all MLB, min. 500 ab's):

2010 - 17th
2009 - 18th
2008 - 17th
2007 - 18th

=

GOOD + CONSISTENT

Soxfest
12-02-2010, 05:35 PM
I like it trade Quentin now!

doublem23
12-02-2010, 05:41 PM
Jerry Reinsdorf must be doped up or dying or something.

WOW

:bandance:

doublem23
12-02-2010, 05:42 PM
He wouldn't have to to be a better hitter than Dunn.

If the Whtie Sox are depending on Dunn to provide their offense, they won't have much of an offense.

Unless they re-sign Konerko, Dunn won't help the White Sox.

:rolleyes:

Take it to 1925, haterz

Take a look at where the 4 teams who made the playoffs in the American League last year finished in terms of RS.

LongLiveFisk
12-02-2010, 05:44 PM
It's good news but I am still anxious to see what happens with AJ and Paulie. I think we need both of those guys but I'm not sure how much cash the team has floating around to make it a reality.

It gets people excited for the 2011 season, though, just as trading Steve Stone, Nick Swisher's father and Ken Frailing for Ron Santo got people excited about the 1974 season 27 Decembers ago.

People were excited about the 1974 season in December 1983? :tongue:

ZombieRob
12-02-2010, 05:45 PM
Does this trump the Tigers signing of Martinez?

delben91
12-02-2010, 05:45 PM
I like this signing. :smile:

And that's all I have to say about that.

chisox77
12-02-2010, 05:46 PM
Thursday is the "new" Wednesday!

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 05:48 PM
Does this trump the Tigers signing of Martinez?


Yes, by far.

People don't realize how good Dunn is because he plays in the NL and for bad teams.


This guy is a thumper, as good as any in the game.

34rancher
12-02-2010, 05:52 PM
I hate this signing. What a waste of time and money. This guy is going to set franchise record for strikeouts. This is going to set the sox back 5 years with $$$ and first round pick. Kenny, what the **** are you thinking? This guy can't carry a team out of last place. What a dumb dumb move. I hate this just a little less than I hated the Peavy trade. I know I am in the minority, but we just cinched playoff-less baseball for the next 5 years....Guy is a career ****ing 250 hitter. What the hell are we thinking????

HATE HATE HATE.

Domeshot17
12-02-2010, 05:53 PM
He wouldn't have to to be a better hitter than Dunn.

If the Whtie Sox are depending on Dunn to provide their offense, they won't have much of an offense.

Unless they re-sign Konerko, Dunn won't help the White Sox.


You are seriously bitching about Dunn after a year of Mark Kotsay at DH?!?!

:dtroll:

EnglishChiSox
12-02-2010, 05:53 PM
Had a 2 hour powercut and come back to this, Fricken awesome.

doublem23
12-02-2010, 05:53 PM
I hate this signing. What a waste of time and money. This guy is going to set franchise record for strikeouts. This is going to set the sox back 5 years with $$$ and first round pick. Kenny, what the **** are you thinking? This guy can't carry a team out of last place. What a dumb dumb move. I hate this just a little less than I hated the Peavy trade. I know I am in the minority, but we just cinched playoff-less baseball for the next 5 years....Guy is a career ****ing 250 hitter. What the hell are we thinking????

HATE HATE HATE.

This, boys and girls, is what we call "cherry picking stats" for your own argument.

.902 career OPS
40 HR per 162 G
.381 career OBP

THIS GUY SUXXXXXXXXX

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 05:55 PM
This, boys and girls, is what we call "cherry picking stats" for your own argument.

.902 career OPS
40 HR per 162 G
.381 career OBP

THIS GUY SUXXXXXXXXX

Strikeouts are the devil.

Batting average is the pinnacle of offensive metrics.

His nickname is an affront to donkeys everywhere.

The Immigrant
12-02-2010, 05:55 PM
HATE HATE HATE.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x172/NerikK/chappelle-player-haters-ball_bigger.jpg

BringHomeDaBacon
12-02-2010, 05:56 PM
Yes, by far.

People don't realize how good Dunn is because he plays in the NL and for bad teams.


This guy is a thumper, as good as any in the game.

And V Martinez is as good a hitter as any catcher in the game not named Joe Mauer. Dunn's a great signing but let's not get carried away.

Offensively, Dunn + avg Catcher is arguably equivalent to Martinez + avg DH.

34rancher
12-02-2010, 05:57 PM
This, boys and girls, is what we call "cherry picking stats" for your own argument.

.902 career OPS
40 HR per 162 G
.381 career OBP

THIS GUY SUXXXXXXXXX

Ok, how about 199 strikouts on a team where they could pitch around him? Or only 77 walks. Iwould rather have taken the money and gone after Paulie. Hate this trade. Hope I'm wrong. But I hate these moves...Losing the 1st rounder too?

doublem23
12-02-2010, 05:58 PM
And V Martinez is as good a hitter as any catcher in the game not named Joe Mauer. Dunn's a great signing but let's not get carried away.

Offensively, Dunn + avg Catcher is arguably equivalent to Martinez + avg DH.

Victor Martinez sucks ass. Have fun in Detroit, dickwad.

Sox in the World Series? DUNN DEAL.

:bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

chisoxjtrain
12-02-2010, 05:58 PM
Ok, how about 199 strikouts on a team where they could pitch around him? Or only 77 walks. Iwould rather have taken the money and gone after Paulie. Hate this trade. Hope I'm wrong. But I hate these moves...

It wasn't a trade, and KW said they can sign both.

34rancher
12-02-2010, 05:59 PM
It wasn't a trade, and KW said they can sign both.

Yeah I see it as a trade still of your 1st round pick. Not a fan of this at all. If they get back Paulie, that is a lot of slow....

doublem23
12-02-2010, 06:01 PM
Yeah I see it as a trade still of your 1st round pick. Not a fan of this at all. If they get back Paulie, that is a lot of slow....

Who gives a **** about draft picks when you just signed a masher? This is a deep draft class anyway, plenty of options to be had after Round 1.

Anyhoo, oh know, the Great Falls Voyagers might kind of suck this season. THE HORROR

NDSox12
12-02-2010, 06:02 PM
Ok, how about 199 strikouts on a team where they could pitch around him? Or only 77 walks. Iwould rather have taken the money and gone after Paulie. Hate this trade. Hope I'm wrong. But I hate these moves...Losing the 1st rounder too?

His 2010 walk total was an aberration. It was his lowest total since 2003, by far.

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 06:02 PM
Hooray! I was waiting for the terrible base-clogging argument!

soxrme
12-02-2010, 06:04 PM
Merry Christmas to me

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 06:04 PM
Yeah I see it as a trade still of your 1st round pick. Not a fan of this at all. If they get back Paulie, that is a lot of slow....

Complaining about draft picks because we just signed a straight up masher.

Excuse me while I chuckle vigorously.

Daver
12-02-2010, 06:05 PM
Yeah I see it as a trade still of your 1st round pick. Not a fan of this at all. If they get back Paulie, that is a lot of slow....

Considering the fact that the White Sox draft history in the last decade or so has produced 1 player that has been somewhat successful they didn't give up much.

chisoxjtrain
12-02-2010, 06:06 PM
Complaining about draft picks because we just signed a straight up masher.

Excuse me while I chuckle vigorously.

Like this? :roflmao:

sullythered
12-02-2010, 06:06 PM
Adam Dunn is one of the best power hitters in baseball. I don't see how a rational person could have a problem with this move.

34rancher
12-02-2010, 06:06 PM
Who gives a **** about draft picks when you just signed a masher? This is a deep draft class anyway, plenty of options to be had after Round 1.

Anyhoo, oh know, the Great Falls Voyagers might kind of suck this season. THE HORROR
I generally don't, but 56 million plus the pick is a lot of money for a guy who strikes out as much as anyone. How does a guy with an uppercut swing and flyball masher only have 27 career sacrifice flies? This is just not a good signing for the kind of team they are trying to portray themselves as. I would like the deal for about half the salary and the pick back. This is too much. Gonna be a long summer IMO.

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 06:08 PM
Yeah I see it as a trade still of your 1st round pick. Not a fan of this at all. If they get back Paulie, that is a lot of slow....


Edit - and about your slow comment? Really?

Our team has great speed. Nobody's four and five hitters are fast. When we had Konerko, Thome, AJ and Dye? Yeah - that's slow.

Right now it's Dunn. And he isn't TERRIBLY slow at all.

Hitmen77
12-02-2010, 06:08 PM
The Sox are get him for 4 years, 56 million.

:thud: :thud:

Wow! That was totally unexpected to me. I'm not saying that as a "Sox are always cheap" comment, I just really wasn't even thinking they'd be a serious contender for Dunn.

.....now if only the can also re-sign Paulie. :praying:

spawn
12-02-2010, 06:09 PM
Yeah I see it as a trade still of your 1st round pick. Not a fan of this at all. If they get back Paulie, that is a lot of slow....
Yeah, because having a quicker team without a legitimate full-time DH worked wonders last season.

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 06:10 PM
I generally don't, but 56 million plus the pick is a lot of money for a guy who strikes out as much as anyone. How does a guy with an uppercut swing and flyball masher only have 27 career sacrifice flies? This is just not a good signing for the kind of team they are trying to portray themselves as. I would like the deal for about half the salary and the pick back. This is too much. Gonna be a long summer IMO.

So what is this team trying to portray themselves as? I mean, since KW does the signing, he is the person who dictates what the team is portrayed as, so basically the team is portrayed however the hell he wants it to be portrayed.

Basically, your sentence means absolutely nothing.

LoveYourSuit
12-02-2010, 06:10 PM
Adam Dunn is one of the best power hitters in baseball. I don't see how a rational person could have a problem with this move.


Sadly, people will still find a reason to be miserable as you can read.

It's the reason why this fanbase fails to put 35K in the cell every night.

People just want to bitch and poop instead of being happy.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-02-2010, 06:10 PM
Hooray! I was waiting for the terrible base-clogging argument!

But there's no speed! Baserunners! Grindy! Kotsay! Also, we have no defense at DH anymore!! Major downgrade!

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 06:11 PM
Sadly, people will still find a reason to be miserable as you can read.

It's the reason why this fanbase fails to put 35K in the cell every night.

People just want to bitch and poop instead of being happy.

But everybody poops. :(:

34rancher
12-02-2010, 06:11 PM
Considering the fact that the White Sox draft history in the last decade or so has produced 1 player that has been somewhat successful they didn't give up much.

True, but wow....I lived through the times of the softball teams and K's. Never worked for our team. Home runs are nice, but I like the idea of contact hitters, not guys trying for 40 hrs a year and almost 200 K's a year for 14 million a year...This signing does nothing for me. I feel like we are moving back to the softball days.

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 06:11 PM
I'm ecstatic to have a potential 4 to 4.5 WAR DH. The Kotsay debacle came in at -0.7 last season.

Domeshot17
12-02-2010, 06:11 PM
Yeah I see it as a trade still of your 1st round pick. Not a fan of this at all. If they get back Paulie, that is a lot of slow....

The Sox rarely struck out in 2009 and 2010, and their offense was pathetic.

Strikeouts aren't the end all be all. A guy who hits a homer and drives in 3 runs in a game but k'd 3 times had a better game than a guy who hit a single and 3 ground outs.

Also, who cares about the pick. The White Sox absolutely suck at drafting and developing talent.

You would rather have a pick that most likely flops and busts and never sees the bigs over a guy who is likely to hit 40 homers and 100 RBIs in our park?

KMcMahon817
12-02-2010, 06:13 PM
First off, I have never been a big fan of Adam Dunn. I just don't think he is a very good person. However, I love the prospect of having him at DH and Paulie at 1B. I will echo the sentiments of others; if the SOX resign Paulie, I LOVE this move. If they don't, and Dunn plays 1B most days, it is a slight downgrade, assuming the SOX don't sign another serviceable DH/1B.

With all that said, I am a happy camper right now. Just go out and resign Paulie, plug Morel in at 3rd, and sign a defense first catcher. If the SOX do this, they will be a force to be reckoned with.

soltrain21
12-02-2010, 06:13 PM
True, but wow....I lived through the times of the softball teams and K's. Never worked for our team. Home runs are nice, but I like the idea of contact hitters, not guys trying for 40 hrs a year and almost 200 K's a year for 14 million a year...This signing does nothing for me. I feel like we are moving back to the softball days.

It's one ****ing dude. What team wins without a legit masher in their lineup? How does one guy hitting 40 homeruns a year make you a "softball" team?

We still have Pierre, Beckham, Rios, Ramirez.

delben91
12-02-2010, 06:14 PM
Sadly, people will still find a reason to be miserable as you can read.

It's the reason why this fanbase fails to put 35K in the cell every night.

People just want to bitch and poop instead of being happy.

I consider myself an optimist by WSI standards, but I have to admit that I'm a guy that appreciates a good poop...

spawn
12-02-2010, 06:14 PM
I generally don't, but 56 million plus the pick is a lot of money for a guy who strikes out as much as anyone. How does a guy with an uppercut swing and flyball masher only have 27 career sacrifice flies? This is just not a good signing for the kind of team they are trying to portray themselves as. I would like the deal for about half the salary and the pick back. This is too much. Gonna be a long summer IMO.
I'm beginning to wonder if there will ever be a reason NOT to bitch and moan on this board. Last season: No legitimate DH, let alone a power hitting lefty. We bitched. The Sox sign a proven OBP machine and legitimate lefty power hitter. We bitch. The Sox haven't signed a big name free agent since ALbert Belle. We bitch. KW signs one of the biggest names in the free agent market this season. We bitch. How the hell can ANYONE say this isn't a good signing? Seriously! I wonder about this place sometimes. I really do.

NDSox12
12-02-2010, 06:15 PM
First off, I have never been a big fan of Adam Dunn. I just don't think he is a very good person. However, I love the prospect of having him at DH and Paulie at 1B. I will echo the sentiments of others; if the SOX resign Paulie, I LOVE this move. If they don't, and Dunn plays 1B most days, it is a slight downgrade, assuming the SOX don't sign another serviceable DH/1B.

With all that said, I am a happy camper right now. Just go out and resign Paulie, plug Morel in at 3rd, and sign a defense first catcher. If the SOX do this, they will be a force to be reckoned with.

Woah, that certainly wasn't his reputation here in DC. His teammates loved him.

doublem23
12-02-2010, 06:15 PM
http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/juiyinjong/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/helen_lovejoy_symp.jpg
Won't someone please think of the draft picks?

Domeshot17
12-02-2010, 06:15 PM
True, but wow....I lived through the times of the softball teams and K's. Never worked for our team. Home runs are nice, but I like the idea of contact hitters, not guys trying for 40 hrs a year and almost 200 K's a year for 14 million a year...This signing does nothing for me. I feel like we are moving back to the softball days.

We won more with the Softball team. We have a softball park. I can be as negative as anyone, but hating this signing is literally just bitching because there is something to bitch about. Our DH last year was Mark ****ing Kotsay. We just replaced him with one of the best hitters in the game. Boo Hoo

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 06:17 PM
'sI'm beginning to wonder if there will ever be a reason NOT to bitch and moan on this board. Last season: No legitimate DH, let alone a power hitting lefty. We bitched. The Sox sign a proven OBP machine and legitimate lefty power hitter. We bitch. The Sox haven't signed a big name free agent since ALbert Belle. We bitch. KW signs one of the biggest names in the free agent market this season. We bitch. How the hell can ANYONE say this isn't a good signing? Seriously! I wonder about this place sometimes. I really do.

To be fair, there aren't too many people that are unhappy with this addition. I love to complain, but I love this signing. It shows me that Kenny is once again in control of this team's composition. Ozzie-ball Dunn is not.

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 06:19 PM
Woah, that certainly wasn't his reputation here in DC. His teammates loved him.

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scottmerkin (http://twitter.com/#%21/scottmerkin) Scott Merkin
Thornton on Dunn: "He’s one of the true characters of baseball He’s a fun person to be around, keeping things loose ...."
38 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/scottmerkin/status/10478485298483200)

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scottmerkin (http://twitter.com/#%21/scottmerkin) Scott Merkin
... Adam Dunn really is a great addition to any team.” Thornton played with Dunn on Team USA in the World Baseball Classic
38 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/scottmerkin/status/10478570468024320)

spawn
12-02-2010, 06:19 PM
's

To be fair, there aren't too many people that are unhappy with this addition. I love to complain, but I love this signing. It shows me that Kenny is once again in control of this team's composition. Ozzie-ball Dunn is not.
I know, but just the fact that anyone is unhappy with this acquisition makes me shake my head. This is the type of hitter the Sox sorely lacked last season. Now he's been signed...and there are still people that don't approve. Just...wow.

KMcMahon817
12-02-2010, 06:19 PM
Woah, that certainly wasn't his reputation here in DC. His teammates loved him.

Really? I guess that is reassuring. I guess he has always struck me as a pompous *******. That takes nothing away from what he brings to the baseball diamond, however. The dude can mash.

KyWhiSoxFan
12-02-2010, 06:20 PM
I know, but just the fact that anyone is unhappy with this acquisition makes me shake my head. This is the type of hitter the Sox sorely lacked last season. Now he's been signed...and there are still people that don't approve. Just...wow.

I guess you're assuming all Sox fans know what they're talking about.

russ99
12-02-2010, 06:21 PM
It's one ****ing dude. What team wins without a legit masher in their lineup? How does one guy hitting 40 homeruns a year make you a "softball" team?

We still have Pierre, Beckham, Rios, Ramirez.

I'm all for a more balanced team than the softball lineups we had here in the early 2000s.

But even I appreciate what Dunn brings to the table offensively. It's not just all about the 40+ homers he slugs out of the park.

UofCSoxFan
12-02-2010, 06:22 PM
First off, I have never been a big fan of Adam Dunn. I just don't think he is a very good person.

What are you basing this off of? The fact that he didn't want to come to the AL to DH. He seemed pretty friendly the brief conversation I had with him in Spring Training when he was with the Reds. He has a pretty good Hideo Nomo impersination too.

chisoxfanatic
12-02-2010, 06:23 PM
I don't feel like sifting through 6 pages of posts, but I hope this means he'll be starting in the OF for us and that Paulie still re-signs here.

Great deal, though...He's going to love hitting at Comiskey.

doublem23
12-02-2010, 06:24 PM
I don't feel like sifting through 6 pages of posts, but I hope this means he'll be starting in the OF for us and that Paulie still re-signs here.

Great deal, though...He's going to love hitting at Comiskey.

I would assume he's going to be DHing...

Unless Ozzie has absolutely lost his mind.

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 06:24 PM
I don't feel like sifting through 6 pages of posts, but I hope this means he'll be starting in the OF for us and that Paulie still re-signs here.

Great deal, though...He's going to love hitting at Comiskey.

Err. You are aware Dunn is an awful defender...everywhere?

Anywhere but DH is bad news.

kittle42
12-02-2010, 06:24 PM
Aside from TDog and 34rancher, I don't see anyone else here hating this signing. Unfortunately, they're just chirping a lot.

Of course, wins for pitchers and batting average and strikeouts for hitters are the only metrics that matter.

I do, however, agree with TDog's assertion that if we do not re-sign Konerko, this is nothing better than a lateral move.

spawn
12-02-2010, 06:24 PM
I don't feel like sifting through 6 pages of posts, but I hope this means he'll be starting in the OF for us and that Paulie still re-signs here.

Great deal, though...He's going to love hitting at Comiskey.
I hope he doesn't step foot in the outfield much and is the full-time DH.

chisoxjtrain
12-02-2010, 06:25 PM
I don't feel like sifting through 6 pages of posts, but I hope this means he'll be starting in the OF for us and that Paulie still re-signs here.

Great deal, though...He's going to love hitting at Comiskey.

No. Starting DH.

34rancher
12-02-2010, 06:25 PM
We won more with the Softball team. We have a softball park. I can be as negative as anyone, but hating this signing is literally just bitching because there is something to bitch about. Our DH last year was Mark ****ing Kotsay. We just replaced him with one of the best hitters in the game. Boo Hoo

I completely agree that Kotsay was not the answer. I would even argue that if we have a decent season from anyone at the DH, we win the pathetic division. I hate the move for the amount we spent and the pick. Everyone acts as though in the last few years our #1 has sucked. Sale, Beckham, Poreda all have been ok picks. Heck, Sale made the club as fast as I ever remember anyone. Agreed we haven't always hit jackpot. I'm just saying that I don't like the amount for what we are getting. 40 hrs, 190 K's, 100 rbi, etc to me is just what an average DH should be. Just don't think we are getting much in value in comparison for what we are losing if Paulie walks. Would have rather given him the money.

NDSox12
12-02-2010, 06:26 PM
I don't feel like sifting through 6 pages of posts, but I hope this means he'll be starting in the OF for us and that Paulie still re-signs here.

Great deal, though...He's going to love hitting at Comiskey.

He is a brutal outfielder. He would make Quentin look like a gold glover.

russ99
12-02-2010, 06:26 PM
I would assume he's going to be DHing...

Unless Ozzie has absolutely lost his mind.

I'm still thinking mostly 1B, I doubt his thoughts about being DH have changed much.

Maybe RF, but as I recall he doesn't have the arm for it.

Paul would primarily be the DH if he comes back, IMO. It would keep him healthier and he has the mental toughness to handle it.

DumpJerry
12-02-2010, 06:28 PM
I don't feel like sifting through 6 pages of posts, but I hope this means he'll be starting in the OF for us and that Paulie still re-signs here.

Great deal, though...He's going to love hitting at Comiskey.
:scratch:Follow baseball much?

spawn
12-02-2010, 06:28 PM
I'm still thinking mostly 1B, I doubt his thoughts about being DH have changed much.

Maybe RF, but as I recall he doesn't have the arm for it.

Paul would primarily be the DH if he comes back, IMO.
Paulie is a much better first baseman than Dunn. Ozzie would have to be hitting the pipe hard if he believed the team had a better chance of winning with Dunn over Paulie at first.

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 06:29 PM
Cowley weighs in on Dunn, Konerko, and AJ.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/2940702,white-sox-adam-dunn-deal-120210.article

russ99
12-02-2010, 06:29 PM
Paulie is a much better first baseman than Dunn. Ozzie would have to be hitting the pipe hard if he believed the team had a better chance of winning with Dunn over Paulie at first.

The numbers don't say that.

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Paul would primarily be the DH if he comes back, IMO. It would keep him healthier and he has the mental toughness to handle it.

As an Ozzie detractor I would explode if this happens.

doublem23
12-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Paul would primarily be the DH if he comes back, IMO.

Paul is still a good 1B. Dunn is a butcher. How would that make any sense? I know Paul is a bit older, but it's not like he has some kind of long-term health problems like Thome's back.

LF Pierre
3B Teahen? BARF
CF Rios
DH Dunn
1B Konerko
RF Quentin
C Pierzynski or whatever
SS Alexei
2B Bacon

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doublem23
12-02-2010, 06:31 PM
The numbers don't say that.

Defensive numbers.. Not that useful

spawn
12-02-2010, 06:31 PM
The numbers don't say that.
Oh, do tell.

DirtySox
12-02-2010, 06:31 PM
Paul is still a good 1B. Dunn is a butcher. How would that make any sense? I know Paul is a bit older, but it's not like he has some kind of long-term health problems like Thome's back.

LF Pierre
3B Teahen? BARF
CF Rios
DH Dunn
1B Konerko
RF Quentin
C Pierzynski or whatever
SS Alexei
2B Bacon



I think it's safe to pencil Morel in at 3B, unless for some reason Kenny does trade for Ian Stewart.

Boondock Saint
12-02-2010, 06:32 PM
Not sure if it's already been discussed in here, but who gets to wear #44 next year!?! :redneck

This gets even deeper once the Sox resign Toby Hall.

Oh no he didn't. Yes, he did.

UofCSoxFan
12-02-2010, 06:34 PM
Dunn K's a lot sure, but he has a .902 career OPS. When he does not strike out he hits the ball very very hard and walks a ton. This guy is Thome in his prime and isn't nearly as bad on the bases as some people think. I love Dunn and think he is one of the most underrated players in baseball because many people dismiss him because of his K's.

Do people realize that most of the time (I'd say easily over 90% of the time, probably more) a strikeout is no less productive than an "in-play" out? With no one on or with 2 outs a K is no wores. With a runner on 2nd only a fly to right or deep center or a grounder to the right side is any different. Of course those only really matter in terms of run scoring probabilty if there is less than 1 out. Similary an in play out is only better than a strike out with a runner on third if the infield is back and there are less than 2 outs.

This isn't Litte League. In junior level baseball, Little League through maybe even college in some cases, putting the ball in play is preferable to a K since a) defenses are pretty bad and you can still get on via an error (not really the case in MLB) and b) at lower levels people hit home runs much less often. A guy capable of hitting a home run ever 12 or 13 at-bats sacrifices a lot by cutting his swing down to not strike out with 2 strikes. A guy that may hit one a year, doesn't lose nearly as much. Many people still apply what they were taught as kids but it doesn't apply to major league sluggers.

Juan Pierre is the opposite of Dunn...a slap hitter that hardly k's but has a really bad OPS. If he didn't have speed he'd struggle in double A. You don't when championships with a team of Juan Pierres.

The only downside to this deal is having to deal with people lamenting his k's even though he has a .900 ops.

34rancher
12-02-2010, 06:34 PM
Paul is still a good 1B. Dunn is a butcher. How would that make any sense? I know Paul is a bit older, but it's not like he has some kind of long-term health problems like Thome's back.

LF Pierre
3B Teahen? BARF
CF Rios
DH Dunn
1B Konerko
RF Quentin
C Pierzynski or whatever
SS Alexei
2B Bacon

I would hope Bacon/Alexi goes to 2, AJ goes to 8 and Teahen goes 9. Would rather see Rios hit 5 behind Konerko and Dunn hit 3rd.

KMcMahon817
12-02-2010, 06:34 PM
I'm still thinking mostly 1B, I doubt his thoughts about being DH have changed much.

Maybe RF, but as I recall he doesn't have the arm for it.

Paul would primarily be the DH if he comes back, IMO. It would keep him healthier and he has the mental toughness to handle it.

Someone said in the Dunn thread in WTS that the SOX paid him an extra 2 million per year to leave his glove in Washington...

doublem23
12-02-2010, 06:34 PM
I think it's safe to pencil Morel in at 3B, unless for some reason Kenny does trade for Ian Stewart.

So then...

Pierre
Alexei
Rios
Dunn
Konerko
Quentin
C
Bacon
Morel

OK, I could live with that

Lip Man 1
12-02-2010, 06:34 PM
Best part of the Tribune story:

Asked if the Sox had payroll room to sign both Dunn and Konerko, Kenny Williams said, "Not only do we have room, but it would be the ideal from our perspective."

Apparently JR is opening up the checkbook and using some of his returns from the past few years. Good for him!

Also ESPN.com in a story said that Dunn signed with the Sox in part because he was intrigued about playing in the same lineup with Konerko.

Get PK, sign Olivo to catch, trade some folks (Teahan, Linebrink, Quinten ???) for bullpen help and you have a real shot in a very compeditive division.

Lip

KMcMahon817
12-02-2010, 06:35 PM
What are you basing this off of? The fact that he didn't want to come to the AL to DH. He seemed pretty friendly the brief conversation I had with him in Spring Training when he was with the Reds. He has a pretty good Hideo Nomo impersination too.

Nothing more than a gut feeling. He just struck me that way. I am happy to hear I was wrong.:D:

34rancher
12-02-2010, 06:38 PM
So then...

Pierre
Alexei
Rios
Dunn
Konerko
Quentin
C
Bacon
Morel

OK, I could live with that

I like Dunn ahead of Paulie so when he potentially K's (over 1 out of 3 AB), Paulie can still drive in the left overs. Also with Dunn ahead of him, Paulie's GDP disappear overnight. Love the idea of Rios at 5 behind Paulie to avoid pitching around.

whitem0nkey
12-02-2010, 06:38 PM
Adam Dunn: Heyman predicts Dunn will be a Cub :tongue:
Adam Dunn - 1B - WAS - Nov. 7 - 9:08 am et

SI.com's Jon Heyman predicts that Adam Dunn will sign with the Cubs this offseason.
It would go against what has been reported in the Chicago Sun-Times, which said GM Jim Hendry was focused "on the likes" of a first baseman like Nick Johnson. Dunn is the premier power hitter on the free agent market, but the Cubs do have the resources to go after him if they choose to do so. Nov. 7 - 9:08 am et

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=3304&line=308374&spln=1

Noneck
12-02-2010, 06:38 PM
Get PK, sign Olivo to catch, trade some folks (Teahan, Linebrink, Quinten ???) for bullpen help and you have a real shot in a very compeditive division.

Lip

Lip,

You know Teahan and Linebrink have negative worth. Not much that isnt needed, that can be traded to get a pen.

doublem23
12-02-2010, 06:38 PM
Best part of the Tribune story:

Asked if the Sox had payroll room to sign both Dunn and Konerko, Kenny Williams said, "Not only do we have room, but it would be the ideal from our perspective."

Apparently JR is opening up the checkbook and using some of his returns from the past few years. Good for him!

Also ESPN.com in a story said that Dunn signed with the Sox in part because he was intrigued about playing in the same lineup with Konerko.

Get PK, sign Olivo to catch, trade some folks (Teahan, Linebrink, Quinten ???) for bullpen help and you have a real shot in a very compeditive division.

Lip

It's nice the Sox are acting like an honest to goodness major market team.

doublem23
12-02-2010, 06:41 PM
I like Dunn ahead of Paulie so when he potentially K's (over 1 out of 3 AB), Paulie can still drive in the left overs. Also with Dunn ahead of him, Paulie's GDP disappear overnight. Love the idea of Rios at 5 behind Paulie to avoid pitching around.

So then...

Pierre
Alexei
Dunn
Konerko
Rios
Quentin
C
Bacon
Morel

I dunno, I can't see Ozzie not breaking up Konerko/Rios/Quentin in some way with Dunn. He luvs that R/L/R ****.

Gavin
12-02-2010, 06:42 PM
Mods vs Users, Mods vs Users! fight fight fight fight!

doublem23
12-02-2010, 06:42 PM
Mods vs Users, Mods vs Users! fight fight fight fight!

:scratch:

It's more like 2 guys vs. the entire board

CWSpalehoseCWS
12-02-2010, 06:44 PM
I like it. A lot of money, I wonder where JR was when this was decided. I just hope this doesn't make re-signing Paulie impossible. It would be nice the see Dunn/Konerko back-to-back.

Gavin
12-02-2010, 06:44 PM
It's nice the Sox are acting like an honest to goodness major market team.

Agreed. But this is only a start. This is a MUCH bigger deal than in 2004 when C Lee was traded for Podsednik and Vizciano, and THAT was a big deal for the White Sox. I'm a little bit apprehensive that Jerry might close the gates.

hi im skot
12-02-2010, 06:45 PM
First off, I have never been a big fan of Adam Dunn. I just don't think he is a very good person. However, I love the prospect of having him at DH and Paulie at 1B. I will echo the sentiments of others; if the SOX resign Paulie, I LOVE this move. If they don't, and Dunn plays 1B most days, it is a slight downgrade, assuming the SOX don't sign another serviceable DH/1B.

With all that said, I am a happy camper right now. Just go out and resign Paulie, plug Morel in at 3rd, and sign a defense first catcher. If the SOX do this, they will be a force to be reckoned with.

Huh?!?

34rancher
12-02-2010, 06:45 PM
So then...

Pierre
Alexei
Dunn
Konerko
Rios
Quentin
C
Bacon
Morel

I dunno, I can't see Ozzie not breaking up Konerko/Rios/Quentin in some way with Dunn. He luvs that R/L/R ****.
Switch Quentin and AJ?

sox1970
12-02-2010, 06:46 PM
AJ to Toronto close according to Cowley

Lip Man 1
12-02-2010, 06:46 PM
Noneck:

I understand but Quentin has some value, possibly Teahan in the right situation.

If you can't re-sign PK, then you jump all over LaRoche.

Lip

BadBobbyJenks
12-02-2010, 06:47 PM
Not going to read the thread at this point in time, but I hope everyone's reaction is the same as mine:

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