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WizardsofOzzie
11-23-2010, 03:06 PM
Reported offer of 3 yr/ 15m per year offer by Yankees. Yankees say Jeter wants more cash and years. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. 15m/yr. is waaaaaayyyy to much for Jeter, but the fanboys love him so they'll likely freak out if the Yankees don't pay him whatever he wants

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5843151

Noneck
11-23-2010, 03:11 PM
With the yanks not offering arbitration, this should be fun to watch.

downstairs
11-23-2010, 03:11 PM
Damn it would be so great seeing Jeter in another uniform. Especially a Yankee rival or playoff opponent.

JermaineDye05
11-23-2010, 03:12 PM
Damn it would be so great seeing Jeter in another uniform. Especially a Yankee rival or playoff opponent.

Yeah, maybe then Alexei will finally win a ****ing gold glove.

Fenway
11-23-2010, 03:13 PM
With the yanks not offering arbitration, this should be fun to watch.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs949.snc4/74224_1623384257203_1014362077_31716638_8177101_n. jpg

Noneck
11-23-2010, 03:16 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs949.snc4/74224_1623384257203_1014362077_31716638_8177101_n. jpg

Are the blowsox that stupid or have that much money to piss away, to give this guy what he wants?

Fenway
11-23-2010, 03:25 PM
Are the blowsox that stupid or have that much money to piss away, to give this guy what he wants?

Given Theo's track record with shortstops :tongue:

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/2010/03/24/chronicling-red-sox-shortstops-since-nomar/

LongLiveFisk
11-23-2010, 03:29 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs949.snc4/74224_1623384257203_1014362077_31716638_8177101_n. jpg

You never know, it could happen. :tongue:

Saracen
11-23-2010, 03:36 PM
Yeah, maybe then Alexei will finally win a ****ing gold glove.
Gonna be Elvis Andrus for the next decade.

tstrike2000
11-23-2010, 03:41 PM
Hopefully, he'll go to the NL.

RedHeadPaleHoser
11-23-2010, 03:43 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs949.snc4/74224_1623384257203_1014362077_31716638_8177101_n. jpg

Lift that off the ESPN website, didja?

doublem23
11-23-2010, 04:17 PM
The only better scenario than Jeter going to Boston is him going to Minnesota. Either way, whatever team he signs with will be overpaying for a fire hydrant-esque bag of bones that's still living off his glory from 1999.

Noneck
11-23-2010, 04:30 PM
Maybe I am not aware of the current market but I dont see any other team paying the current offer of 3/45 for this guy.

TheOldRoman
11-23-2010, 04:48 PM
The only better scenario than Jeter going to Boston is him going to Minnesota. Either way, whatever team he signs with will be overpaying for a fire hydrant-esque bag of bones that's still living off his glory from 1999.I dislike Jeter more than anyone, but c'mon. 1999? He had always been horrible defensively, but he hit .334 last year. Whoever gets him is going to drastically overpay for what he gives at this point, but I think his 2010 average is more of an abberation than his 2009, even at this point in his career.

Bob Roarman
11-23-2010, 07:50 PM
Yeah putting all Yankee hate aside, the dude's gonna finish with 3,000+ hits and over .300 for his career, it's not like he's been living off a career year or anything all this time.

Daver
11-23-2010, 08:11 PM
Maybe the best SS in baseball will actually be able to play SS next year.

Frater Perdurabo
11-23-2010, 08:13 PM
Maybe the best SS in baseball will actually be able to play SS next year.

Do you think A-Rod's defensive skills at SS are still that good?

Daver
11-23-2010, 08:17 PM
Do you think A-Rod's defensive skills at SS are still that good?

After playing third this long they are probably better.

Frater Perdurabo
11-23-2010, 08:20 PM
After playing third this long they are probably better.

Why would that be? I'm asking because I really want to know. It seems counter-intuitive.

CLUBHOUSE KID
11-23-2010, 08:23 PM
Damn it would be so great seeing Jeter in another uniform. Especially a Yankee rival or playoff opponent.

Doubt that happens and people or "fanboys" are turning on him for not accepting this.

Daver
11-23-2010, 08:51 PM
It seems counter-intuitive.

How?

You can't teach experience, and you can't replace it with youth, Omar Vizquel is a prime example of that. A middle infielder with experience at third is better prepared to react to any ball angle, and Alex is still the best middle infielder in baseball.

Frater Perdurabo
11-23-2010, 09:01 PM
How?

You can't teach experience, and you can't replace it with youth, Omar Vizquel is a prime example of that. A middle infielder with experience at third is better prepared to react to any ball angle, and Alex is still the best middle infielder in baseball.

I understand that his instincts have been sharpened by experience. However, to what extent is it possible that his improved instincts may be offset by declining physical skills and range?

I understand the Omar Vizquel example, but certainly for every player there is a point where the decline of physical skills negates the improved instincts. If not, we'd routinely see 50+ year-old players. Obviously that would be different for every player, but A-Rod last played the position in a regular season game in 2005 (2 in 2004 and 3 in 2005).

Bottom line is that I'm open to the possibility he could be a better shortstop after playing third almost exclusively for the past seven seasons, but we should probably wait to see him play the position before we say it's a certainty. Of course, this all would be contingent on the unlikely event that Jeter leaves NY.

Daver
11-23-2010, 09:26 PM
I understand that his instincts have been sharpened by experience. However, to what extent is it possible that his improved instincts may be offset by declining physical skills and range?

I understand the Omar Vizquel example, but certainly for every player there is a point where the decline of physical skills negates the improved instincts.

Are you trying to say that Omar Vizquel is a better player than Alex Rodriguez?

When I see someone play the position better than Alex has, then I will change my mind, that has not happened yet.

pythons007
11-23-2010, 09:27 PM
Yeah putting all Yankee hate aside, the dude's gonna finish with 3,000+ hits and over .300 for his career, it's not like he's been living off a career year or anything all this time.

No one has said anything about his offensive consistancy, but his defense has been terrible. Six errors last year seems nice, it's not if you can only move two steps in either direction to get a ball.

Daver
11-23-2010, 09:30 PM
No one has said anything about his offensive consistancy, but his defense has been terrible. Six errors last year seems nice, it's not if you can only move two steps in either direction to get a ball.

The propellerheads only care about measurable metrics.

Frater Perdurabo
11-23-2010, 09:38 PM
Are you trying to say that Omar Vizquel is a better player than Alex Rodriguez?

No.

When I see someone play the position better than Alex has, then I will change my mind, that has not happened yet.

Fair enough, but in fairness none of us have seen him play an inning at SS since 2005. So all we have to go on is his admittedly historically spectacular fielding before 2004. I'm just saying it's possible someone can play SS better in 2011 than A-Rod can play SS in 2011.

Daver
11-23-2010, 09:44 PM
No.



Fair enough, but in fairness none of us have seen him play an inning at SS since 2005. So all we have to go on is his admittedly historically spectacular fielding before 2004. I'm just saying it's possible someone can play SS better in 2011 than A-Rod can play SS in 2011.

Anything is possible, unlike BP I don't presume to predict the future, because presume quickly becomes assume, and we all know what happens when you assume.

goon
11-23-2010, 09:47 PM
I have to hand it to Buster Olney, this is the EXACT scenario he has been predicting since the middle of the Summer and he even had the numbers right, 45mil/3yr.

Frater Perdurabo
11-23-2010, 09:48 PM
Anything is possible, unlike BP I don't presume to predict the future, because presume quickly becomes assume, and we all know what happens when you assume.

I'm an historian. I predict the past. :tongue:

thomas35forever
11-23-2010, 09:51 PM
If Jeter signs elsewhere, I'm sure the Yankee faithful will wanna hang Cashman from the Liberty Torch.

Bob Roarman
11-24-2010, 12:18 AM
No one has said anything about his offensive consistancy, but his defense has been terrible. Six errors last year seems nice, it's not if you can only move two steps in either direction to get a ball.

....And I never said anything about his defense, or lack there of. I know he's not a Gold Glover. Double was going off his year back in 99' where he led the league in hits and was something like .350 or something in the playoffs/World Series and that he's been "living off the glory" of that season ever since then, 11 years running. Which is ridiculously false, even with all the non-deserved Gold Gloves. He's a great player, not some guy living off a performance years ago. There are tons of those guys around the league, Jeter's not one of them.

Bob Roarman
11-24-2010, 12:31 AM
I understand that his instincts have been sharpened by experience. However, to what extent is it possible that his improved instincts may be offset by declining physical skills and range?

I understand the Omar Vizquel example, but certainly for every player there is a point where the decline of physical skills negates the improved instincts. If not, we'd routinely see 50+ year-old players. Obviously that would be different for every player, but A-Rod last played the position in a regular season game in 2005 (2 in 2004 and 3 in 2005).

Bottom line is that I'm open to the possibility he could be a better shortstop after playing third almost exclusively for the past seven seasons, but we should probably wait to see him play the position before we say it's a certainty. Of course, this all would be contingent on the unlikely event that Jeter leaves NY.

It's funny because at the same time Dave is talking about not liking to presume or assume anything, he fails realize that it was 8 years ago that Rodriguez last played shortstop full time (I'm not going to count a grand total of 5 games as proof he's still that same player that was playing the position in Texas and Seattle) and he just assumes that he's going to be just as good now as he was then, which was one of, if not the top fielding short stop in the game. I guess we're just assuming time and getting older (among other things) didn't take a toll on him. That's quite a jump to conclusion from a guy who says he doesn't like to assume things.

I mean, yeah I agree, when he arrived in New York, they should've kept him at short stop, but it didn't happen, so there's quite a gap there and, like you said, it's probably not going to happen, but if it did, you couldn't realistically expect him to be what he was almost a decade ago at that position. No one is.

MARTINMVP
11-24-2010, 06:09 AM
Knowing our luck, he'll probably end up with Detroit.

TheOldRoman
11-24-2010, 08:40 AM
It's funny because at the same time Dave is talking about not liking to presume or assume anything, he fails realize that it was 8 years ago that Rodriguez last played shortstop full time (I'm not going to count a grand total of 5 games as proof he's still that same player that was playing the position in Texas and Seattle) and he just assumes that he's going to be just as good now as he was then, which was one of, if not the top fielding short stop in the game. I guess we're just assuming time and getting older (among other things) didn't take a toll on him. That's quite a jump to conclusion from a guy who says he doesn't like to assume things.

I mean, yeah I agree, when he arrived in New York, they should've kept him at short stop, but it didn't happen, so there's quite a gap there and, like you said, it's probably not going to happen, but if it did, you couldn't realistically expect him to be what he was almost a decade ago at that position. No one is.Not only has Roidriguez aged 8 years, but he put on another 20 or so pounds of muscle after moving to third and of course has had hip surgery. I imagine watching him play SS at this point would be like seeing Griffey in CF two years ago: servicable due to his great instincts, but still a shadow of his former self.

getonbckthr
11-25-2010, 12:16 AM
If I were Boston there would be a 5yr/100 million dollar offer on the table. Make the Yankees decide either grossly overpay for Jeter or dare watch him finish his career with the enemy.

doublem23
11-25-2010, 06:09 AM
If I were Boston there would be a 5yr/100 million dollar offer on the table. Make the Yankees decide either grossly overpay for Jeter or dare watch him finish his career with the enemy.

Yeah but then you run the risk of having to pay Jeter $20 M/year until he's 41 which would be like attaching an anchor to your anchor.

doublem23
11-25-2010, 06:10 AM
Knowing our luck, he'll probably end up with Detroit.

That would be good! I'm praying he winds up in Minnesota or Detroit, nothing better for us then one of those two teams starting a soft-hitting statue at SS.

Fenway
11-25-2010, 06:23 AM
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Balfanman
11-25-2010, 08:00 AM
Not only has Roidriguez aged 8 years, but he put on another 20 or so pounds of muscle after moving to third and of course has had hip surgery. I imagine watching him play SS at this point would be like seeing Griffey in CF two years ago: servicable due to his great instincts, but still a shadow of his former self.

Let's not forget that when he played shortstop fulltime he was also on the "juice". It may not be a total coincedence that his move to 3rd corresponded with tougher steroid testing. .........yeah, I went there. :o:

doublem23
11-25-2010, 08:10 AM
yeah, I went there. :o:

Where, exactly, did you go? Is it really going out on a ledge accusing A-Rod of using steroids? Or did I wake up in 2004?

Balfanman
11-25-2010, 08:14 AM
Where, exactly, did you go? Is it really going out on a ledge accusing A-Rod of using steroids? Or did I wake up in 2004?

No, but people are still reluctant at times to talk steriods, especially when said user "only used once".

doublem23
11-25-2010, 08:27 AM
No, but people are still reluctant at times to talk steriods, especially when said user "only used once".

I suppose, though, I'm not sure the skills that make a great SS great are the kind that steroid use helps. Skills like agility, speed, etc. are usually sacrificed as guys bulk up to pad their offensive stats. Look at the way Barry Bonds' defense suffered while he "worked out more." Or the way Sammy Sosa's SB totals declined while his HR totals exploded.

That being said, A-Rod is probably still a better SS than Jeter because Jeter is, frankly, terrible defensively. But there's just no way he'd be anything more than a mediocre defensive SS. He's best left at 3B now.

Balfanman
11-25-2010, 08:45 AM
I suppose, though, I'm not sure the skills that make a great SS great are the kind that steroid use helps. Skills like agility, speed, etc. are usually sacrificed as guys bulk up to pad their offensive stats. Look at the way Barry Bonds' defense suffered while he "worked out more." Or the way Sammy Sosa's SB totals declined while his HR totals exploded.

That being said, A-Rod is probably still a better SS than Jeter because Jeter is, frankly, terrible defensively. But there's just no way he'd be anything more than a mediocre defensive SS. He's best left at 3B now.

That's my point, Rodriguez bulked up just enough to slow himself down a little. In fact, I always thought of Arod as a steroid user, even when most thought that he was one of the "clean ones". I remember when people were so disgusted with Bonds and his chasing after Aarons' record. Most couldn't wait for Arod to catch Bonds and restore the record to a legit home run hitter. I was always wondering what made them so sure that Arod was clean?

I do agree that Arod was always a better ss than Jeter. I always thought that when Arod went to NY they should of left him at ss and moved Jeter to 2nd and found someone else to play 3rd. I don't care that much about it because I hate the Yankees for what they are doing to baseball, but I think that they would of won another championship or 2 if they would of left Arod at ss and moved Jeter to 2nd. JMHO

Bob Roarman
11-25-2010, 10:16 PM
Hate baseball for what it's doing to baseball.

peelwonder
11-27-2010, 08:13 PM
According to what I saw his agent is asking for 24 to 25 million per year for 4 year

ROFL....

WizardsofOzzie
11-28-2010, 12:52 AM
According to what I saw his agent is asking for 24 to 25 million per year for 4 year

ROFL....
:thud:

Foulke You
11-28-2010, 01:22 AM
According to what I saw his agent is asking for 24 to 25 million per year for 4 year

ROFL....
If true, I don't blame the Yankees for playing hard ball with Jeter. 3 years/$15 million per is a very generous offer for a 36 year old declining SS.

esbrechtel
11-29-2010, 12:01 PM
If true, I don't blame the Yankees for playing hard ball with Jeter. 3 years/$15 million per is a very generous offer for a 36 year old declining SS.

Declining?!?! But he won the Gold Glove last season!

Moses_Scurry
11-29-2010, 12:46 PM
According to what I saw his agent is asking for 24 to 25 million per year for 4 year

ROFL....

That would be a great acquisition ... for the Twins!

Medford Bobby
11-29-2010, 04:47 PM
He could have his 3,000 hits here and.............:D:


http://blogbeckett.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/jetercardwhitesox.jpg?w=420

Courtesy of Beckett magazine that came up with 29 teams he could go to:

http://blogbeckett.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/totally-fake-baseball-cards-29-derek-jeters-you-wont-see-in-2011-and-one-you-just-might/#more-27208

SOXSINCE'70
11-29-2010, 07:10 PM
He could have his 3,000 hits here and.............:D:


http://blogbeckett.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/jetercardwhitesox.jpg?w=420

Courtesy of Beckett magazine that came up with 29 teams he could go to:

http://blogbeckett.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/totally-fake-baseball-cards-29-derek-jeters-you-wont-see-in-2011-and-one-you-just-might/#more-27208


To paraphrase a Billy Joel lyric, "It's just a fanatasy,it's not the real thing".

getonbckthr
11-29-2010, 07:18 PM
To paraphrase a Billy Joel lyric, "It's just a fanatasy,it's not the real thing".
I consider it a nightmare...

dakuda
11-29-2010, 07:42 PM
He could have his 3,000 hits here and.............:D:




Courtesy of Beckett magazine that came up with 29 teams he could go to:

http://blogbeckett.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/totally-fake-baseball-cards-29-derek-jeters-you-wont-see-in-2011-and-one-you-just-might/#more-27208

Wow, they could only think of 29 other teams?

WizardsofOzzie
11-30-2010, 09:10 AM
He could have his 3,000 hits here and.............:D:


http://blogbeckett.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/jetercardwhitesox.jpg?w=420

Courtesy of Beckett magazine that came up with 29 teams he could go to:

http://blogbeckett.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/totally-fake-baseball-cards-29-derek-jeters-you-wont-see-in-2011-and-one-you-just-might/#more-27208

:chunks

Dan H
12-02-2010, 01:52 PM
You can say if he can get more money, more power to him. But this is why many fans can't relate to the modern day player. $45 million and he is going to walk? Even if he gets his big contract, Jeter may end up regretting any move out of New York. He is already rich and there are more things to life than money. Regardless, I am glad the White Sox have no chance in getting him.

LongLiveFisk
12-02-2010, 05:49 PM
I don't think he's going anywhere. Only the Yanks are going to fork out that kind of cash to keep him, IMO.

gobears1987
12-04-2010, 05:29 AM
I consider it a nightmare...

Agreed, Alexei is better (and about 1/10 the asking price of Jeter). He beat Jeter for the Silver Slugger and deserved the Gold Glove.

Fenway
12-04-2010, 04:42 PM
Jeter signs with NYY

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/12/04/2010-12-04_derek_jeters_new_threeyear_deal_with_yankees_wo rth_between_4551m_is_official_pen.html

thomas35forever
12-04-2010, 04:57 PM
Jeter signs with NYY

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/12/04/2010-12-04_derek_jeters_new_threeyear_deal_with_yankees_wo rth_between_4551m_is_official_pen.html
Now New York can be at peace again.

Fenway
12-04-2010, 05:09 PM
Now New York can be at peace again.

New York parties

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