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Foulke You
11-22-2010, 09:57 AM
Another of our guys with a chance to play near home. I hope the Sox find a way to keep JJ without breaking the bank. I wouldn't be opposed to him closing for us next year:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/diamondbacks-interested-in-jj-putz.html

CWSpalehoseCWS
11-22-2010, 11:19 PM
I really like JJ. He did a good job minus the last injury. Hopefully the Sox keep him, but I doubt it.

LoveYourSuit
11-22-2010, 11:21 PM
It looked to me like JJ burned out at the end. A 2 year deal, maybe.

Anything more, too risky.

Dick Allen
11-23-2010, 12:54 AM
The Dbacks are beginning to annoy me.

DumpJerry
11-23-2010, 07:06 AM
Given how last season worked out for the D-Backs, I would ask if there isn't a player they are interested in. It's not like they are just a tweak or two away from making the World Series.

thomas35forever
11-23-2010, 12:13 PM
We need Putz back. There aren't too many right-handed setup men that can come close to him and him signing elsewhere would be a blow for us.

Foulke You
11-23-2010, 02:11 PM
My feeling is that Putz will likely take a little less money for a chance to be the closer somewhere. If the Sox are willing to hand him the closer job, we could get him at a bargain. It all comes down to what the Sox intend to do with Bobby Jenks.

cws05champ
11-23-2010, 06:39 PM
My feeling is that Putz will likely take a little less money for a chance to be the closer somewhere. If the Sox are willing to hand him the closer job, we could get him at a bargain. It all comes down to what the Sox intend to do with Bobby Jenks.

I think its' widely known that Jenks will not be back, so Putz does have the opportunity to close at least some games.

Tragg
11-23-2010, 07:04 PM
Another of our guys with a chance to play near home.
Another one for whom Arizona is close to home.
Every ball player we have seems to be from Arizona.

JermaineDye05
12-06-2010, 02:35 PM
Heard this: Good progress being made by D-backs to bring J.J. Putz in as potential closer. less than a minute ago (http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/11881326856634368) via web Retweeted by 2 people
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/518275190/olney_buster_m_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN)
Buster_ESPN (http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN)

WhiteSox5187
12-06-2010, 02:42 PM
Heard this: Good progress being made by D-backs to bring J.J. Putz in as potential closer. less than a minute ago (http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/11881326856634368) via web Retweeted by 2 people
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/518275190/olney_buster_m_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN)
Buster_ESPN (http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN)

Ugh, I am really curious to see who in God's name we have in the bullpen next year.

beasly213
12-06-2010, 02:44 PM
Ugh, I am really curious to see who in God's name we have in the bullpen next year.

The Bullpen is a crap shoot every year. I'm not worried about it.

WhiteSox5187
12-06-2010, 02:44 PM
The Bullpen is a crap shoot every year. I'm not worried about it.

The fact that it is a crap shoot every year is what has me worried!

moochpuppy
12-06-2010, 02:45 PM
Ugh, I am really curious to see who in God's name we have in the bullpen next year.

I would like KW to bring in at least two from this list if possible:

Grant Balfour
Matt Guerrier
Jessie Crain
Dan Wheeler
JC Romero

I also still think KW is going to take a shot at trading for Heath Bell.

beasly213
12-06-2010, 02:46 PM
The fact that it is a crap shoot every year is what has me worried!

Yeah but its like that for a lot of teams. If you manage your pen well you should be in good shape. Also JJ is looking for a big pay day it will probably be his last one. I doubt he comes back to the sox.

soltrain21
12-06-2010, 02:46 PM
Ugh, I am really curious to see who in God's name we have in the bullpen next year.

You could build a bullpen through non tendered guys. I've learned to not fret about the bullpen until guys start performing.

You have no freakin' clue how someone is going to do.

Rockabilly
12-06-2010, 02:48 PM
Fuentes would be a nice addition to our bullpen.

DirtySox
12-06-2010, 02:52 PM
Fuentes would be a nice addition to our bullpen.

As would I. Many teams including Boston have interest though.

WhiteSox5187
12-06-2010, 02:54 PM
You could build a bullpen through non tendered guys. I've learned to not fret about the bullpen until guys start performing.

You have no freakin' clue how someone is going to do.

I know, that's what makes Mariano Rivera a freak of nature. Year after year the one thing you could count on was Mariano shutting it down in the ninth. I guess the closest thing to him would be Hoffman.

DirtySox
12-06-2010, 03:23 PM
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/533041789/Kenny_normal.jpg
Ken_Rosenthal (http://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal) Ken Rosenthal
Told by #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) person difficult for team to do Konerko AND Putz. Sox still need bullpen help. Plenty out there. #MLB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal/status/11892981384617984)

hoosiersoxfan
12-06-2010, 03:31 PM
Who do we have that we know for sure will be in the bullpen?

Thornton
Santos
Sale

Is there anyone else I'm missing and is tony pena still under contract?

I wouldn't mind Garcia being our fifth starter and then moving to the bullpen once Peavy is ready to return

CWSpalehoseCWS
12-06-2010, 03:36 PM
Who do we have that we know for sure will be in the bullpen?

Thornton
Santos
Sale

Is there anyone else I'm missing and is tony pena still under contract?

I wouldn't mind Garcia being our fifth starter and then moving to the bullpen once Peavy is ready to return

I think Pena too. Maybe Infante has an outside chance, but I doubt that.

DirtySox
12-06-2010, 04:02 PM
http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/408312443/rogers_normal.jpg
ChiTribRogers (http://twitter.com/#%21/ChiTribRogers) Phil Rogers
#WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) are engaged in attempting to re-sign J.J. Putz. Not sure if they'll match #Diamondbacks (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Diamondbacks)' offer but they're making late try.
8 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/ChiTribRogers/status/11901019466240000)

doublem23
12-06-2010, 04:04 PM
The Bullpen is a crap shoot every year. I'm not worried about it.

Yeah. I mean, I would like Putz, but he doesn't have the sterling health reputation of a guy you want to sink a lot of money or years into.

Sockinchisox
12-06-2010, 04:13 PM
No Putz, KW said he's signing elsewhere.

http://twitter.com/#!/ChuckGarfien/status/11905676339056641

DirtySox
12-06-2010, 04:14 PM
No Putz, KW said he's signing elsewhere.

http://twitter.com/#!/ChuckGarfien/status/11905676339056641 (http://twitter.com/#%21/ChuckGarfien/status/11905676339056641)

At least the Sox get a supplemental pick.

Still plenty of relief options out there.

Chez
12-06-2010, 04:22 PM
From mid-August until the third week in September, Putz was bad. Real bad. I wouldn't open up the vault to bring him back. If Putz doesn't come back, I have faith that KW will piece together a good pen. Aside from 2007 (and Scott Linebrink), KW has done pretty well with his bullpen acquisitions.

sox1970
12-06-2010, 05:17 PM
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/11920941311328256

Taliesinrk
12-06-2010, 05:27 PM
Tim K. on ESPN just reported that the DBacks signed Putz to close... I guess winning wasn't a priority.

KRS1
12-06-2010, 05:27 PM
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/11920941311328256

Yeah, just confirmed on Baseball Tonight, as well. Thanks for the comp pick.

soltrain21
12-06-2010, 05:28 PM
Tim K. on ESPN just reported that the DBacks signed Putz to close... I guess winning wasn't a priority.

Close to his home. Shrug.

KRS1
12-06-2010, 05:29 PM
Tim K. on ESPN just reported that the DBacks signed Putz to close... I guess winning wasn't a priority.

He said sources have confirmed the signing, so it very much sounds done.

asindc
12-06-2010, 05:44 PM
Tim K. on ESPN just reported that the DBacks signed Putz to close... I guess winning wasn't a priority.

In Putz's case, I can't really blame him, considering that he is injury-prone and this is probably his last contract.

Taliesinrk
12-06-2010, 06:12 PM
In Putz's case, I can't really blame him, considering that he is injury-prone and this is probably his last contract.

Have details been released yet? I was hearing it was only a 2-year deal.

asindc
12-06-2010, 06:19 PM
Have details been released yet? I was hearing it was only a 2-year deal.

Yes, that is what I understand. He is only 33, but with his injury history I'm guessing that he did not want to take any chances.

chunk
12-06-2010, 06:44 PM
I believe its 2 years, with a 3rd year team option. Pretty reasonable for him. Wish him the best.

keloms
12-06-2010, 06:53 PM
Heyman says 2 years $10 million for Putz

asindc
12-06-2010, 07:05 PM
Heyman says 2 years $10 million for Putz

In that case, good for him... and I'm glad the Sox did not match.

keloms
12-06-2010, 07:09 PM
Ken Rosenthal says the breakdown is;

Putz breakdown with #Diamondbacks: 2 yrs, 10M. 4M in 11, 4.5M in 12, 6.5M club option or 1.5M buyout. Max 15M over 3 yrs. #MLB

esbrechtel
12-06-2010, 07:38 PM
Do we get picks?

soltrain21
12-06-2010, 07:39 PM
Do we get picks?

We get their second round pick.

DirtySox
12-06-2010, 07:43 PM
We get their second round pick.

Complicated compensation system claims another victim.

White Sox gain a supplemental round pick actually. Between the 1st and 2nd round. Putz was a Type B, and teams that sign a "B" don't lose anything. The teams losing a "B" merely gain a pick out of thin air.

TheVulture
12-06-2010, 08:57 PM
So who's our closer right now? Santos or Thornton? Or yet to be acquired?

I'm not really a proponent of spending in the bullpen, but it's looking pretty thin all of a sudden. I figured the Sox were going to re-sign Putz to close...

sox1970
12-06-2010, 09:00 PM
So who's our closer right now? Santos or Thornton? Or yet to be acquired?

Kenny mentioned Thornton or Sale, specifically. And then threw in maybe Santos.

TheVulture
12-06-2010, 09:00 PM
...or do the Sox just say '**** it' and make Sale the closer?

doublem23
12-06-2010, 09:01 PM
...or do the Sox just say '**** it' and make Sale the closer?

I hope not, Sale's future should still be in the rotation.

keloms
12-06-2010, 09:47 PM
...or do the Sox just say '**** it' and make Sale the closer?

Kenny said that they may just go with a 'by committee' approach this year.

DirtySox
12-06-2010, 09:58 PM
I hope not, Sale's future should still be in the rotation.

There are more and more comments coming from Ozzie and Kenny about Sale possibly closing next year. It worries me.

Jpgr91
12-06-2010, 10:04 PM
Neftali Feliz was a significantly better prospect than Sale, there was a huge uproar from the Rangers Fan Base when the Rangers decided that he was needed in the bullpen last year. Moving Feliz to Closer was a key to the Rangers making the Playoffs and the World Series. If the Sox are going for it now and if Sale can be successfull in the bullpen, there is no reason for the Sox not to put him out there.

TheOldRoman
12-06-2010, 10:47 PM
Eh, can't blame him all that much if the Diamondbacks were offering a lot more money. Thanks for the first four months of last season. Hope you enjoy losing.

Lip Man 1
12-06-2010, 11:46 PM
Kenny said tonight that after Konerko the Sox are probably at their limit money-wise and may have to make a deal to get bullpen help. I still think with the glut of relief pitchers out there it probably won't take much (relatively speaking) to get three competent guys who want to pitch for a team with a good shot at winning.

Ozzie was also quoted as saying that if it was up to him, right now, Sale would close. Which would mean they probably have to reup Garcia for the rotation.

They need to go the distance and get done what they need and not risk everything because they are short in an important area, the bullpen.

Lip

GoSox2K3
12-07-2010, 07:56 AM
The Bullpen is a crap shoot every year. I'm not worried about it.

This cliche is actually getting kind of old. People keep saying this, but it's not that simple. Just because bullpens can be unpredictable doesn't mean we can go with a bullpen stocked with unaccomplished, low ceiling nobodies.

I hope the Sox have learned from the days of having to rely on people like Bukvich, Sisco, and Logan. Unfortunately, the Sox still don't have much in the way of farm system talent to plug in the pen.

If the Sox are going with the total "crapshoot" approach, then our $50 million rotation and Dunn's moonshot HRs aren't going to put us over the top and we Sox fans better stock up on antacids as we watch late inning leads get pissed away.

Kenny said tonight that after Konerko the Sox are probably at their limit money-wise and may have to make a deal to get bullpen help. I still think with the glut of relief pitchers out there it probably won't take much (relatively speaking) to get three competent guys who want to pitch for a team with a good shot at winning.

Ozzie was also quoted as saying that if it was up to him, right now, Sale would close. Which would mean they probably have to reup Garcia for the rotation.

They need to go the distance and get done what they need and not risk everything because they are short in an important area, the bullpen.

Lip

Well said Lip. Hopefully, the glut will allow the Sox to pick up some pitchers who are at least serviceable.

If the Sox do re-sign Konerko, that's certainly an impressive amount of money they're committing to the payroll. But in that case, I'd find it puzzling that they'd sink that much money and then stop a few million $ short of being a serious contender.

Sox teams in the previous years tend to leave one glaring hole in their roster. Last year, all we needed for DH were bench players, before that we had people like Swisher and Mackowiak flounder in CF, there were years where we went with the Siscos and Aardsmas of the world for our bullpen. Usually good enough for 2nd or 3rd place, but not a complete team. I hope this year is different.

Let's see what happens, but I hope the bullpen isn't going to be 2011's version of Kotsay/Jones at DH.

PaleHoser
12-07-2010, 10:04 AM
Kenny said that they may just go with a 'by committee' approach this year.

'by committee' is one of those phrases like 'power arm' that just runs shivers up my spine.

I'm wracking my brain trying to think of a team that won a recent World Series closing by committee and coming up empty. Am I missing something?

khan
12-07-2010, 10:53 AM
This cliche is actually getting kind of old. People keep saying this, but it's not that simple. Just because bullpens can be unpredictable doesn't mean we can go with a bullpen stocked with unaccomplished, low ceiling nobodies.

I hope the Sox have learned from the days of having to rely on people like Bukvich, Sisco, and Logan. Unfortunately, the Sox still don't have much in the way of farm system talent to plug in the pen.


If the Sox are going with the total "crapshoot" approach, then our $50 million rotation and Dunn's moonshot HRs aren't going to put us over the top and we Sox fans better stock up on antacids as we watch late inning leads get pissed away.


If the Sox do re-sign Konerko, that's certainly an impressive amount of money they're committing to the payroll. But in that case, I'd find it puzzling that they'd sink that much money and then stop a few million $ short of being a serious contender.

Sox teams in the previous years tend to leave one glaring hole in their roster. Last year, all we needed for DH were bench players, before that we had people like Swisher and Mackowiak flounder in CF, there were years where we went with the Siscos and Aardsmas of the world for our bullpen. Usually good enough for 2nd or 3rd place, but not a complete team. I hope this year is different.

Let's see what happens, but I hope the bullpen isn't going to be 2011's version of Kotsay/Jones at DH.
Agreed with all of this. Here's hoping that there is some means for KW to complete the puzzle, and NOT leave the team desperately wanting in one area or another.

palehozenychicty
12-07-2010, 11:31 AM
This year, however, there are a lot of competent arms available. I do get tired of the Sox leaving one glaring hole on the team. It's one reason why they get flat in the second half, amongst others. As for Putz, he's good, but not too reliable. We'll be okay.

moochpuppy
12-16-2010, 07:34 AM
I would like KW to bring in at least two from this list if possible:

Grant Balfour
Matt Guerrier
Jessie Crain
Dan Wheeler
JC Romero

I also still think KW is going to take a shot at trading for Heath Bell.

One down.