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PKalltheway
10-12-2010, 10:49 PM
Alright everyone, who's taking the AL Pennant this year? I'll say Yankees in six. The Rangers could prove me wrong once again, but I just can't picture the Texas Rangers in the World Series.

Huisj
10-12-2010, 10:50 PM
This could be an interesting series with some potent offense. Should be sort of fun to watch, especially if the Yankees lose.

LongLiveFisk
10-12-2010, 10:55 PM
I want the Rangers, I just don't think they'll do it. I hope they prove me wrong!

palehozenychicty
10-12-2010, 11:02 PM
Pulling for the Rangers, but they have to win at home for any shot. They don't have the experience to win in New York.

sox1970
10-12-2010, 11:10 PM
Pulling for the Rangers, but they have to win at home for any shot. They don't have the experience to win in New York.

Lee has experience, and he'll be pitching Game 3 there.

If the Rangers can split the first two games and Lee wins Game 3, I think they'll win the series.

palehozenychicty
10-12-2010, 11:13 PM
Lee has experience, and he'll be pitching Game 3 there.

If the Rangers can split the first two games and Lee wins Game 3, I think they'll win the series.

That scenario has to play out.

WhiteSox5187
10-13-2010, 12:31 AM
I want to see the Rangers win, but I don't see it happening.

1989
10-13-2010, 01:12 AM
Yanks in 5

Hitmen77
10-13-2010, 07:26 AM
My heart says Rangers, but my head says Yankee$.

Come on, Texas, pull off an upset here!:praying:

Hitmen77
10-13-2010, 07:35 AM
This is the Yankees 14th (yawn!!!) ALCS appearance and the Rangers 1st. After the NY Moneybags, the team with the most ALCS appearances is Oakland (11) followed by Boston and Baltimore (9 each) and then LAA and KC (6 each). Texas had to wait 41 seasons to make it to the ALCS (which started in 1969) - that is by far the longest wait of any team.

The Rangers are one of 3 teams that never has won a pennant (the others are Seattle and Washington). The franchise started in 1961 as the expansion Washington Senators and moved to Texas in '72. Their first postseason appearance wasn't until 1996.

This is the 4th time these 2 teams have met in the post season. The Yankees won the other 3 times.

russ99
10-13-2010, 07:40 AM
Gotta go for the Rangers here.

Besides, if they can beat the Rays, they can beat anyone. It's a longshot for them to win a 7 game series vs. the Yanks, but they have to play the games, and they do have home field advantage.

g0g0
10-13-2010, 09:38 AM
Rangers in 7. If they can get a win in the first 2 games, then they'll have Lee back. I also like teams that haven't had a week or so layoff between series. They might be a little tired, but they are in form.

ChiSoxGal85
10-13-2010, 12:45 PM
I'd really like the Rangers to win. I couldn't care less about the Yanks.

BadBobbyJenks
10-13-2010, 02:25 PM
Texas in 7.

Cliff Lee 2-0, ALCS MVP

gogosox675
10-13-2010, 02:29 PM
Yankees in six games.

chisoxfanatic
10-13-2010, 05:01 PM
Yankees in 5, and then they will bowl over whomever wins the NLCS.

soltrain21
10-13-2010, 05:21 PM
Yankees in 5, and then they will bowl over whomever wins the NLCS.

No way. This is the Phillies to lose.

guillensdisciple
10-13-2010, 06:44 PM
Whoever thinks the Rangers can win this is just trying to find something to make the Yankees lose. Team to team, they are far inferior and playing a 5 game series where you use your best pitcher twice does not bode well for any team.

Yankees in 5.

BadBobbyJenks
10-13-2010, 06:54 PM
Whoever thinks the Rangers can win this is just trying to find something to make the Yankees lose. Team to team, they are far inferior and playing a 5 game series where you use your best pitcher twice does not bode well for any team.

Yankees in 5.

Comparable lineups and the Yankees' pitching is questionable. I don't really see why this isn't going to be a really good series.

Bucky F. Dent
10-13-2010, 07:19 PM
Voted with my heart, not my head, in so much as I HATE the Yankees. C'mon Rangers!!!!!!

doublem23
10-13-2010, 07:30 PM
No way. This is the Phillies to lose.

I don't know about that, I could see the Phillies winning pretty easily, but the Yankees are also really, really good.

As much as it hurts us from the East Coast bias perspective, Phillies-Yankees probably would be an excellent series. They're both loaded.

doublem23
10-13-2010, 07:31 PM
Comparable lineups and the Yankees' pitching is questionable. I don't really see why this isn't going to be a really good series.

Because it's not just another series in the middle of July. This is for the World Series.

TommyJohn
10-13-2010, 07:46 PM
The Rangers are one of 3 teams that never has won a pennant (the others are Seattle and Washington). The franchise started in 1961 as the expansion Washington Senators and moved to Texas in '72. Their first postseason appearance wasn't until 1996.



trivia note: The last World Series to feature two first-time teams was in 1906, between the Cubs and White Sox. Now, Texas or Seattle vs. the Nationals is the only way that it can ever happen again. If Texas wins the pennant, it can only be Seattle vs. Washington.

CLUBHOUSE KID
10-13-2010, 08:14 PM
Texas in 7.

Cliff Lee 2-0, ALCS MVP

Sounds like CC last year.

CLUBHOUSE KID
10-13-2010, 08:16 PM
If Texas wins the pennant, it can only be Seattle vs. Washington.

Which may never happen

MarkM2112
10-13-2010, 08:27 PM
My head says Yankees, but I would love to see the Rangers win. I'd like to see a Texas / SF World Series, since Texas has never won one, and the Giants have never won a WS while in SF. I'd call it the "Something's Gotta Give Series"...

BadBobbyJenks
10-13-2010, 08:37 PM
Because it's not just another series in the middle of July. This is for the World Series.

So?

DumpJerry
10-13-2010, 10:58 PM
The sooner the Yankess are eliminated, the sooner we get to see Cub fans bawling like babies when Girardi signs with the Yankees.

As if they ever had a chance given how Hendry & Co. treated him last time around.


Go Rangers!

SOXSINCE'70
10-14-2010, 06:19 AM
I'd like to see the Rangers win, but experience pays off at this time of year. Sadly, on that note,it's "Yank-mees win, Yank-mees win, THEEEEEEE
Yank-mees win.":(:

SOXSINCE'70
10-14-2010, 06:21 AM
As much as it hurts us from the East Coast bias perspective, Phillies-Yankees probably would be an excellent series. They're both loaded.

I'd hope for it just to see the Phils get revenge for 2009.
GO PHILLIES!!:bandance::bandance:

Noir
10-15-2010, 07:23 PM
The Juggernaut Josh Hamilton strikes first 3-0 Rangers!

LongLiveFisk
10-15-2010, 07:24 PM
Keep it going, Rangers!

DirtySox
10-15-2010, 07:36 PM
Another blown call perhaps?

Edit: Nope. He tagged him.

g0g0
10-15-2010, 09:36 PM
Rangers not wasting any of their chances so far tonight. Go Rangers!

StillMissOzzie
10-15-2010, 09:44 PM
I'm voting with my heart here - GO RANGERS!

SMO
:gulp:

LongLiveFisk
10-15-2010, 10:01 PM
Uh-oh...come on, Rangers, not this ****, please! :o:

LongLiveFisk
10-15-2010, 10:05 PM
Tie game. :mad:

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Hendu
10-15-2010, 10:05 PM
Watching a team completely self-destruct right now. And still nobody out.

guillensdisciple
10-15-2010, 10:09 PM
Worst bullpen era I have ever seen.

Frater Perdurabo
10-15-2010, 10:10 PM
I really hate, loathe, detest the ****ing Yankees.

LongLiveFisk
10-15-2010, 10:11 PM
****ing *******s!!! :angry::angry::angry:

Brian26
10-15-2010, 10:11 PM
Rangers not wasting any of their chances so far tonight. Go Rangers!

They just wasted a five run lead though.

LongLiveFisk
10-15-2010, 10:12 PM
And still nobody out. :(:

LongLiveFisk
10-15-2010, 10:26 PM
Damn it! Picked off!

LongLiveFisk
10-15-2010, 10:52 PM
This might get interesting yet.

soxnut1018
10-15-2010, 10:57 PM
Damn it. :angry:

LongLiveFisk
10-15-2010, 10:57 PM
Damn it, damn it, damn it!

Down 5-0, the Yanks come back to win 6-5. :shakehead:

BringHomeDaBacon
10-16-2010, 12:02 AM
And for the second year in a row Nick Swisher looks like a ballplayer that fits right in with a championship type team. Yeah, that's right: Jeter, Texeira, ARod, Cano, SWISHER, etc

TheOldRoman
10-16-2010, 12:11 AM
And for the second year in a row Nick Swisher looks like a ballplayer that fits right in with a championship type team. Yeah, that's right: Jeter, Texeira, ARod, Cano, SWISHER, etcSo you are saying he is at best the fifth best hitter on the team? Cool.

BringHomeDaBacon
10-16-2010, 12:15 AM
So you are saying he is at best the fifth best hitter on the team? Cool.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

palehozenychicty
10-16-2010, 05:57 AM
Huge loss for the Rangers. They were in complete command until the 8th. Washington went with Wilson too long, and should have brought in his best pitchers. No Perez?! :scratch:

If they lose again today, this one is done. Super Cliff or not.

Frater Perdurabo
10-16-2010, 07:01 AM
So you are saying he is at best the fifth best hitter on the team? Cool.

He was 13th best on the Sox.

I truly despise him for sucking on the Sox and succeding on the Yankees, and for the worthless hot garbage we got back for him.

LongLiveFisk
10-16-2010, 09:37 AM
Huge loss for the Rangers. They were in complete command until the 8th. Washington went with Wilson too long, and should have brought in his best pitchers. No Perez?! :scratch:

If they lose again today, this one is done. Super Cliff or not.

Oh yeah. Yesterday's loss was demoralizing and took the wind out of their sails. They absolutely must bounce back today otherwise they are in serious trouble.

g0g0
10-16-2010, 10:31 AM
They just wasted a five run lead though.

What a difference a 1/2 hour and ****ty bullpen can make. Ugggghhh. :(:

happydude
10-16-2010, 11:43 AM
Oh yeah. Yesterday's loss was demoralizing and took the wind out of their sales. They absolutely must bounce back today otherwise they are in serious trouble.

For sanity's sake, its a good thing there's a short turnaround; yesterday's disaster must be purged from memory as quickly as possible. The only positive that can be taken from the loss, if one can be taken from it, is that at least it occurred in a game started by the Yankee's best and most well-rested starter. Rangers' supporters may have been anticipating losing Game 1, winning Game 2 for the home split, and then taking back home field with Cliff Lee in Game 3.

jdm2662
10-16-2010, 11:59 AM
He was 13th best on the Sox.

I truly despise him for sucking on the Sox and succeding on the Yankees, and for the worthless hot garbage we got back for him.

It took him long enough to succeed. He sucked for them in the playoffs last season, and he eventually got benched for Jerry Harrison. Yes, he got replaced for a utility infielder to play RF...

Marqhead
10-16-2010, 03:27 PM
The Rangers are getting creative.

Marqhead
10-16-2010, 04:20 PM
How about not blowing it this time?

Bucky F. Dent
10-16-2010, 06:57 PM
Throw strikes, Feliz!

Frater Perdurabo
10-16-2010, 07:02 PM
Thank goodness.

I think the Rangers win Game 3 with Lee starting.

LongLiveFisk
10-16-2010, 07:18 PM
Yes!!

It just kills you to think they could have been up 2-0 though.

Oh well, go get 'em in New York!!

Hitmen77
10-16-2010, 08:23 PM
Thank goodness.

I think the Rangers win Game 3 with Lee starting.

If going for a pennant isn't motivation enough, he'll be auditioning at the home of his new employer for next year.

JermaineDye05
10-18-2010, 09:32 PM
Cliff Lee is taking apart the Yankees like he did last post season.

I still think he'll be meeting his match come the World Series when he's up against The Freak.

Doc vs. Lee would be epic as well.

But I really want to see Lincecum up against Lee.

thomas35forever
10-18-2010, 10:13 PM
"The stars at night are big and bright..."

FielderJones
10-18-2010, 10:16 PM
Yankee pitchers are imploding in the top of the 9th - a 6-spot. 8-0 going to the Yankee 9th.

Marqhead
10-18-2010, 10:17 PM
Should be up 3-0. KEEP YOUR FOOT ON THEIR THROAT RANGERS.

JermaineDye05
10-18-2010, 10:22 PM
And the Yankees might have to pitch Burnett?

Yikes.

Zakath
10-18-2010, 10:31 PM
Cliff Lee so far in the playoffs:

3 GS, 1 CG, 3-0, 24 IP, 13 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 34 K, 0.75 ERA, 0.58 WHIP

That's :shocked::shocked::shocked:

Soxman219
10-18-2010, 10:43 PM
Cliff Lee so far in the playoffs:

3 GS, 1 CG, 3-0, 24 IP, 13 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 34 K, 0.75 ERA, 0.58 WHIP

That's :shocked::shocked::shocked:

Those are Nintendo numbers!

I think we're seeing something special with Lee right now. The sad news is the Yankees will probably get him this offseason.

JermaineDye05
10-18-2010, 10:45 PM
Cliff Lee so far in the playoffs:

3 GS, 1 CG, 3-0, 24 IP, 13 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 34 K, 0.75 ERA, 0.58 WHIP

That's :shocked::shocked::shocked:

Halladay's no-no is more impressive.

The class of pitchers in this year's playoffs is insane. Lee has pitched 3 times already so his stats seem much better than Halladay and Lincecum. Give those two one more start each and I'm sure they'll stack up too.

Game 1 of the WS is shaping up to be an epic pitchers duel.

palehozenychicty
10-18-2010, 10:45 PM
Clifford dropped this at the feet of Posada and Jeter tonight.

Mod Edit: I think you've been here long enough to know that just because you don't type swear words doesn't mean you can postan image of one. Enjoy your time off.

Johnny Mostil
10-18-2010, 10:47 PM
Cliff Lee so far in the playoffs:

3 GS, 1 CG, 3-0, 24 IP, 13 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 34 K, 0.75 ERA, 0.58 WHIP

That's :shocked::shocked::shocked:

And last year's postseason was at least a :shocked::shocked: for him as well . . .

SoxandtheCityTee
10-19-2010, 12:19 AM
I think we're seeing something special with Lee right now. The sad news is the Yankees will probably get him this offseason.

What else can they do? They can't hit him.

palehozenychicty
10-19-2010, 12:35 AM
Well, the Rangers did get a huge television deal (http://bit.ly/dBoqV0), and they play close to his home in Arkansas. He's been traded multiple times across the country this past year. I think if they get to the Series, Nolan will make him a solid offer. Plus Texas has no state income tax.

GoSox2K3
10-19-2010, 08:10 AM
Should be up 3-0. KEEP YOUR FOOT ON THEIR THROAT RANGERS.

That's what I'm thinking: Dang, the Yankees should be down 0-3 right now.

Those are Nintendo numbers!

I think we're seeing something special with Lee right now. The sad news is the Yankees will probably get him this offseason.

Yep, that's the way MLB works. If the Yankees dare not win, they just add to their insanely high payroll and buy another elite pitcher. Wow! Isn't that exciting how one team can outspend their way to the top time after time?

Tragg
10-19-2010, 09:23 AM
Texas has dominated NY for most of this series.

dwitt76
10-19-2010, 02:54 PM
Texas has dominated NY for most of this series.

All but 1 inning. Should be 3-0. Also cant beleive AJ is starting instead of CC.

asindc
10-19-2010, 03:14 PM
All but 1 inning. Should be 3-0. Also cant beleive AJ is starting instead of CC.

To avoid Burnett, they would have to also pitch Hughes and Pettitte on three days' rest.

doublem23
10-19-2010, 03:24 PM
The reality now is the Yankees basically have to win the next 3 games, else they face Cliff Lee again in Game 7... on the road.

The light's not out yet, but it is starting to flicker in New York.

guillensdisciple
10-19-2010, 04:02 PM
Man I am so happy I was wrong on this one. I hate the yankees, but they seemed too unstoppable of a force.

JermaineDye05
10-19-2010, 04:04 PM
Man I am so happy I was wrong on this one. I hate the yankees, but they seemed too unstoppable of a force.

Only because they were facing a very stoppable force in the Twinkies.

Hitmen77
10-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Man I am so happy I was wrong on this one. I hate the yankees, but they seemed too unstoppable of a force.

I'll be thrilled if the Yankees lose, but it's not over yet.

CLUBHOUSE KID
10-19-2010, 07:21 PM
Go Yankees!

Brian26
10-19-2010, 07:35 PM
Here we go.

That doesn't get reviewed?

asindc
10-19-2010, 07:37 PM
Here we go.

That doesn't get reviewed?

I don't know if that is reviewable, but it should be.

Marqhead
10-19-2010, 07:40 PM
THAT one gets reviewed.

And should be foul.

hi im skot
10-19-2010, 09:08 PM
That dude down the left field line obviously didn't read this thread (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123965).

DirtySox
10-19-2010, 09:33 PM
Lol Burnett.

thomas35forever
10-19-2010, 09:41 PM
I know the game's not over yet, but Fox must be on suicide watch considering the Yankees could be on the brink at the end of tonight.

JermaineDye05
10-19-2010, 09:42 PM
I know the game's not over yet, but Fox must be on suicide watch considering the Yankees could be on the brink at the end of tonight.

And Philly is not dominating their series to say the least.

Zakath
10-19-2010, 09:43 PM
A-Rod's expression when Molina hit that shot is priceless. I'm sure he would have gone over and decked Burnett if he could have.

LongLiveFisk
10-19-2010, 09:51 PM
And it's a goner!! :D:

LongLiveFisk
10-19-2010, 09:54 PM
It's awful quiet in Yankee Stadium.

Zakath
10-19-2010, 09:56 PM
Texas might be the one team happy that the AL doesn't have home field this year in the WS. With their road performances so far, they might want to have all 7 scheduled for either Philly or San Fran...

thomas35forever
10-19-2010, 10:00 PM
What's amazing is Texas is the playoff team I expected to do the least in the postseason. This is a pleasant surprise.

TDog
10-19-2010, 10:01 PM
Texas might be the one team happy that the AL doesn't have home field this year in the WS. With their road performances so far, they might want to have all 7 scheduled for either Philly or San Fran...

Except that they wouldn't be able to use a DH in the NL parks. And the NL teams have better pitching than they have been facing.

A Texas-San Francisco World Series would be particularly interesting, though, because the Texas catcher knows the Giants starters better than anyone else in the American League, having caught them.

kobo
10-19-2010, 10:02 PM
Yankees bullpen not lookin good these last two games. Love it!

Marqhead
10-19-2010, 10:03 PM
RDRR

:cool:

PeteWard
10-19-2010, 10:23 PM
The best thing about this post-season is Swisher's batting avg. - .071.
Still a notch higher than his i.q. though.

LongLiveFisk
10-19-2010, 10:46 PM
Yanks making it interesting here...

JermaineDye05
10-19-2010, 10:47 PM
The dreaded 8th inning again.

Marqhead
10-19-2010, 10:49 PM
Rangers caught a break there.

LongLiveFisk
10-19-2010, 10:51 PM
BIG wasted opportunity by the Yanks. :o:

JermaineDye05
10-19-2010, 10:51 PM
Well, I'd say that's about it for the Yankees. Considering they'll have to face Lee again if they want to get past Texas, this series is ovah.

LongLiveFisk
10-19-2010, 10:58 PM
This has turned into an old-fashioned butt whipping.

PeteWard
10-19-2010, 11:00 PM
Well, I'd say that's about it for the Yankees. Considering they'll have to face Lee again if they want to get past Texas, this series is ovah.

The way Texas' bullpen has been choking, I wouldn't say it's over.

kobo
10-19-2010, 11:02 PM
The way Texas' bullpen has been choking, I wouldn't say it's over.

:scratch: Texas' bullpen is choking?

PeteWard
10-19-2010, 11:09 PM
:scratch: Texas' bullpen is choking?

Did you watch the 8th inning? 3 straight walks to load the bases?

And Game 1? One of the worst meltdowns in post-season history.

Lucky for them the NY bullpen is sucking too.

I still think Texas will take the series but I don't think anything is "ovah" yet.

Edit: my mistake- not three straight walks but three out of four batters walked.

Saracen
10-19-2010, 11:10 PM
The way Texas' bullpen has been choking, I wouldn't say it's over.
Yeah 1 poor inning in 4 games. What a choke. :scratch:

Cliff Lee's career post-season stats in 8 starts: 7-0, 1.26 ERA. With him pitching 3 times in a WS, it's a lock.

PeteWard
10-19-2010, 11:14 PM
Yeah 1 poor inning in 4 games. What a choke. :scratch:

Cliff Lee's career post-season stats in 8 starts: 7-0, 1.26 ERA. With him pitching 3 times in a WS, it's a lock.


Walking three batters with a four run lead in the 8th is not good pitching. I'd say the pressure got to them but thank god for Nick Swisher.

RadioheadRocks
10-19-2010, 11:37 PM
I know the game's not over yet, but Fox must be on suicide watch considering the Yankees could be on the brink at the end of tonight.


**** Fox and also Buck and McCarver. FWIW TBS's coverage has been a refreshing change :smile:

LongLiveFisk
10-19-2010, 11:38 PM
Is it too late for me to change my vote? :tongue:

guillensdisciple
10-20-2010, 12:30 AM
Wow, this is awesome. Could be one of my favorite world series besides 05 if San Fran takes care of their end.

VenturaFan23
10-20-2010, 06:00 AM
Boone Logan? Seriously, Yanks? :rolling:

Don't mess around Rangers, please end it next game!

g0g0
10-20-2010, 08:19 AM
What a beautiful series. The frustrated looks on Yankee players' faces is priceless. Every time they seem to get a break Texas comes right back. This series really should have been a sweep if not for that horrible relief in game 1.

Hitmen77
10-20-2010, 08:34 AM
I hate the yankees, but they seemed too unstoppable of a force.

Only because they were facing a very stoppable force in the Twinkies.

This is one benefit of how this ALCS is turning out that I haven't thought about. The Rangers' performance in this series shows that Minnesota fans can't just use the "Yankees are just too good" excuse.

Even if NY does come back, at least Texas didn't exactly completely roll over like the Twins did.

ChiSoxGal85
10-20-2010, 08:34 AM
Is it too late for me to change my vote? :tongue:

Me too!!! I voted for the Yankees...but...

I'd really like the Rangers to win. I couldn't care less about the Yanks.

I am SO enjoying how this series is shaking out! :D:

Hitmen77
10-20-2010, 08:42 AM
I know the game's not over yet, but Fox must be on suicide watch considering the Yankees could be on the brink at the end of tonight.

I have no sympathy for Fox. They're almost as bad as ESPN in treating the MLB regular season as if the only teams that matter are NY, Bos, and perhaps a couple of select other teams. They do this every year and then cry when they can't drum up fan interest if NY or Bos aren't in the World Series.

Except that they wouldn't be able to use a DH in the NL parks. And the NL teams have better pitching than they have been facing.

A Texas-San Francisco World Series would be particularly interesting, though, because the Texas catcher knows the Giants starters better than anyone else in the American League, having caught them.

Having Lee and Lincecum face off in Game 1 of the WS could shape up to be an epic match up. (but so could Lee vs. Hallady for that matter).

Texas vs. SF would also assure the end of one long-standing championship drought. Texas hasn't even been to the WS in the franchise's 50 seasons of existence. The Giants have never won the WS in San Francisco - they last won it in 1954 as the NY Giants.

KenBerryGrab
10-20-2010, 09:16 AM
**** Fox and also Buck and McCarver. FWIW TBS's coverage has been a refreshing change :smile:

I love Ron Darling's observations -- and his accent. He's my new favorite color guy.

Oblong
10-20-2010, 09:52 AM
I hate Fox as much as anybody but one lingering fear I have is they decide it's not worth it to do baseball anymore, which is fine on teh surface since I hate their coverage. But you have to consider how baseball would react. It's all about money. So if Fox decides it's not worth it then probably the other networks feel the same. Baseball's not going to leave money on the table so they'll either move it all to cable, or expand the playoffs to fill any revenue gaps.

As a baseball fan I'd love a Giants/Rangers WS. But as a baseball fan I'm also leery and suspicious of the impact money has on the game and do not like the effects the lure of it has.

ChiSoxGirl
10-20-2010, 10:38 AM
What a beautiful series. The frustrated looks on Yankee players' faces is priceless. Every time they seem to get a break Texas comes right back. This series really should have been a sweep if not for that horrible relief in game 1.

When I found out it was going to be a Rangers/Yankees ALCS, I'll admit that I all but handed New York the pennant. I'm extremely glad to have been wrong!

Me too!!! I voted for the Yankees...but...

I am SO enjoying how this series is shaking out! :D:

So am I! I'd like to personally thank the Rangers for giving me a Yankee beatdown as my birthday gift last night. :D:

Fenway
10-20-2010, 01:34 PM
What a pretty sight

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs011.snc4/33933_446893489225_581794225_5633659_5005125_n.jpg


Rats deserting sinking ship

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs766.snc4/66651_446893429225_581794225_5633657_4864671_n.jpg

But this is baseball - Daily News headline is correct

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/10/20/gal_frontpage_1020.jpg

Hitmen77
10-20-2010, 01:36 PM
Hmmmm.....suddenly the poll on this thread is running 50-50. Sounds like a lot of Johnny-come-latelys have been voting now that the series is 3-1. :cool:

TheOldRoman
10-20-2010, 01:52 PM
I think Calories & Cholesterol gets hit around pretty decently and the Yankees bullpen blows the game wide open again. Even with Tex out the Yankees aren't out of it. As for game 7, if the Yanks push it that far I would take them to win that game, even with Lee going.

RedHeadPaleHoser
10-20-2010, 02:47 PM
Hmmmm.....suddenly the poll on this thread is running 50-50. Sounds like a lot of Johnny-come-latelys have been voting now that the series is 3-1. :cool:

I just voted - not as a JCL but I voted when the thread was 1st up, and I think it never took. Regardless, I never would've changed from the Rangers.

Actually am looking forward to a well pitched and competitive WS.

GoSox2K3
10-20-2010, 03:36 PM
I hate Fox as much as anybody but one lingering fear I have is they decide it's not worth it to do baseball anymore, which is fine on teh surface since I hate their coverage. But you have to consider how baseball would react. It's all about money. So if Fox decides it's not worth it then probably the other networks feel the same. Baseball's not going to leave money on the table so they'll either move it all to cable, or expand the playoffs to fill any revenue gaps.

As a baseball fan I'd love a Giants/Rangers WS. But as a baseball fan I'm also leery and suspicious of the impact money has on the game and do not like the effects the lure of it has.

This has been MLB and the networks' way of thinking for too many years now: The Yankees, Red Sox, etc. need to be in it for the good of the game. I don't agree with that. Maybe they need to start promoting MLB as more than a 2 team league.

I don't see the World Series leaving network TV any time soon. There's just too much prestige there even with lower ratings. As far as the regular season goes, Fox's coverage is pretty much useless to me anyway. It's either the local teams (Sox or Cubs) that I can watch every day anyway or it's yet another Yankees or Red Sox game. It's only relevant to me because of blackout rules. Otherwise, Fox really isn't giving me access to the rest of the league.

If MLB gets less money from their next TV contract because of declining ratings, the world isn't going to end. They're still highly profitable. I'm not going to lose sleep over a group of millionaires making fewer millions than before.

kobo
10-20-2010, 03:45 PM
I love Ron Darling's observations -- and his accent. He's my new favorite color guy.

Seriously? Because I can't stand him. He is horrible. Never has a bad thing to say and everyone/everything is the greatest ever.

Nellie_Fox
10-20-2010, 03:57 PM
I can't stand him. He is horrible. Never has a bad thing to say... Heaven forbid!!!

Brian26
10-20-2010, 07:03 PM
Seriously? Because I can't stand him. He is horrible. Never has a bad thing to say and everyone/everything is the greatest ever.

Was it Darling or Smoltz last night that suggested, after Teixeira got hurt, that Girardi should pull Berkman out of the DH slot and put him at 1B for the rest of the game? About three seconds last, the camera showed Nick Swisher looking for his 1st base mitt.

And then we listened for the rest of the night about the huge defensive liability the Yankees had at first and in RF with Thames.

If this is the typical preparation Darling puts into the game, I'll pass. Again, not sure which one said it, so perhaps Smoltz is guilty.

Brian26
10-20-2010, 07:04 PM
Postgame interview between Sager and Swish was a bit uncomfortable to watch.

Daver
10-20-2010, 07:05 PM
Was it Darling or Smoltz last night that suggested, after Teixeira got hurt, that Girardi should pull Berkman out of the DH slot and put him at 1B for the rest of the game?


Making your pitcher bat is always a sound move.

RadioheadRocks
10-20-2010, 08:14 PM
This has been MLB and the networks' way of thinking for too many years now: The Yankees, Red Sox, etc. need to be in it for the good of the game. I don't agree with that. Maybe they need to start promoting MLB as more than a 2 team league.


Exactly... they've got no one to blame but themselves for that line of thinking. Live by the sword, die by the sword... 'nuff said.

Oblong
10-20-2010, 09:39 PM
No, it's not that I feel sorry for them not making as much money. It's that I'm afraid they're going to expand the playoffs to another round. It's not an issue of sympathy. There's enough playoff teams right now, don't turn this into the NHL or NBA where making the playoffs isn't a big deal anymore.

Viva Medias B's
10-20-2010, 10:51 PM
No, it's not that I feel sorry for them not making as much money. It's that I'm afraid they're going to expand the playoffs to another round. It's not an issue of sympathy. There's enough playoff teams right now, don't turn this into the NHL or NBA where making the playoffs isn't a big deal anymore.

Soon, we're going to play 162 just to eliminate Pittsburgh from the playoffs.

1989
10-21-2010, 01:20 AM
Seriously? Because I can't stand him. He is horrible. Never has a bad thing to say and everyone/everything is the greatest ever.

He's horrible because he's being paired with Ernie Johnson, a no talent studio hack who only knows basketball. If you put him with any decent PBP guy he's one of the best in baseball. It also doesn't help that TBS has probably told him to dumb it down to appeal to their casual fan audience. Listen to him on SNY sometime, he's a lot better.

hawkjt
10-21-2010, 08:14 AM
Very entertaining series so far,with the Rangers bats bashing....even last nite in defeat vs CC they get 11 hits.

Must hammer Hughes Friday nite. Now, I am the first to say that watching Lee in game 7 would be really cool, as watching him pitch is like watching a Rembrandt paint a portrait or something,this guy is that great right now. But would hate to have the yanks pull this out.

Both series have been very good.
Go Rangers,Go Giants.

TheOldRoman
10-21-2010, 09:08 AM
I hope the Rangers can finish this off tomorrow night. I wouldn't want to chance it with game 7, even with Lee going.

Jon Miller is doing radio pbp of this series for ESPN. Aside from him pretentiously and incorrectly overpronouncing Latino names, I really like Miller most of the time. He has a classic baseball voice, especially for radio. However, I listened to the end of yesterday's game on the radio, and I was annoyed by how much he was rooting for the Yankees. Wood struck out Hamilton in the 6th or 7th for the final out of the inning with nobody on base and the Yankees up by 4. Not that big of a moment, but I honestly think Miller climaxed in the booth during that play. Poor Joe Morgan. I pity the janitor who has to clean up that radio booth.

Hitmen77
10-21-2010, 10:03 AM
I hope the Rangers can finish this off tomorrow night. I wouldn't want to chance it with game 7, even with Lee going.



This is exactly why I absolutely wanted the Sox to finish off the Angels in Anaheim in 2005 even if it meant missing a chance to win the pennant at home. Down 3-1 is not insurmountable. Just ask the 2004 Yankees, 2003 Cubs, and '85 Blue Jays.

If it goes to Game 7, the Rangers have to love having Lee to pitch, but don't discount the post-season experience the Yankees and Pettitte for a Game 7.

GoSox2K3
10-21-2010, 11:19 AM
No, it's not that I feel sorry for them not making as much money. It's that I'm afraid they're going to expand the playoffs to another round. It's not an issue of sympathy. There's enough playoff teams right now, don't turn this into the NHL or NBA where making the playoffs isn't a big deal anymore.

I don't follow how low playoff ratings (because of no NY or Bos) means they're going to expand to even more playoffs. If MLB's concern is that the networks won't want to cover the playoffs anymore, adding even more playoff rounds isn't going to help get the networks on board. If they're worried about ratings, diluting their product with yet another round isn't going to help. In fact, it would have the opposite effect as most people would lose interest in following the many rounds of playoffs before the World Series. All rounds before the finals would become a generic blur like they are for the NBA and NHL.

As far as revenue streams go, as far as I know MLB is at record territory in terms of overall revenue generated. If their next national TV deal is for less money, I don't think they're suddenly going to turn to more playoffs to look for more revenue. If it's an issue of them just being greedy, well then they'd add more playoffs regardless of how many pennants the Yankees win. I know there is talk of adding 2 more wild card teams....but IMO that's not tied to current World Series ratings.

I just don't see any cause and effect of Red Sox/Yankees not winning pennants every year to more rounds of playoff to boost sagging ratings.

Nellie_Fox
10-21-2010, 02:10 PM
I just don't see any cause and effect of Red Sox/Yankees not winning pennants every year to more rounds of playoff to boost sagging ratings.The more teams there are in the playoffs, the more likely it is that they will include the Yanks and Sawx.

Hitmen77
10-21-2010, 04:29 PM
The more teams there are in the playoffs, the more likely it is that they will include the Yanks and Sawx.

I'm sure that's what the networks want, but if I'm not mistaken, since the current 3 division+wild card playoff format began, at least one of NYY or Bos have been in the playoffs every single year....and often both teams have made the post season.

They don't need any more help getting to the playoffs....and adding an extra round of playoffs isn't going to increase the odds that one of them wins the pennant.

LongLiveFisk
10-22-2010, 07:19 PM
Here we go...Game 6 in Texas.

1st inning, Granderson called out at second on an attempted steal. Not a Yanks fan, but he sure looked safe to me..... :scratch:

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 07:27 PM
Here we go...Game 6 in Texas.

1st inning, Granderson called out at second on an attempted steal. Not a Yanks fan, but he sure looked safe to me..... :scratch:

Would it be too far fetched to think that MLB intentionally has this happen for the sake of ratings? If people aren't watching for the teams, maybe they'll watch for the controversy.

Daver
10-22-2010, 07:31 PM
Would it be too far fetched to think that MLB intentionally has this happen for the sake of ratings? If people aren't watching for the teams, maybe they'll watch for the controversy.

You're kidding right?

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 07:33 PM
You're kidding right?

What do you want to hear?

I agree that's crazy.

I guess it makes way more sense that the umpires are doing this on purpose so they can get instant replay expanded.

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 07:49 PM
Wow, Brian Gorman really wants you to swing the bat. That pitch to Murphy was well outside.

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 08:07 PM
Gorman's strikezone is horrible, but consistent.

doublem23
10-22-2010, 08:10 PM
You're kidding right?

I'm really more willing to swallow that explanation rather than the umps are actually this ****ing terrible.

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 08:36 PM
And here we go. Another blown call.

The ball bounces off the plate and clearly hits Swisher in the shin.

Rather than call a dead ball. Gorman counts it as a wild pitch and A-Rod scores.

1-1

Bucky F. Dent
10-22-2010, 08:37 PM
Wow! That call sucked!

MarkZ35
10-22-2010, 08:38 PM
This **** is getting out of hand with the umps. They are afraid of changing the call and making the other ump "look bad". Just get the damn call right

whitesox4eva
10-22-2010, 08:39 PM
And here we go. Another blown call.

The ball bounces off the plate and clearly hits Swisher in the shin.

Rather than call a dead ball. Gorman counts it as a wild pitch and A-Rod scores.

1-1

I'm not a big fan of this ump behind the plate. Even though his strike zone is consistent its HORRIBLE.

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 08:39 PM
To rephrase what I said. . .

Is it too far fetched to assume that these bad calls are not accidental?

whitesox4eva
10-22-2010, 08:41 PM
To rephrase what I said. . .

Is it too far fetched to assume that these bad calls are not accidental?

I'm beginning to wonder myself actually...it is so clear he was HBP and I'm shocked none of the umps said anything.

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 08:43 PM
I'm beginning to wonder myself actually...it is so clear he was HBP and I'm shocked none of the umps said anything.

And it's not like it's team, series, or umpire specific at all.

LongLiveFisk
10-22-2010, 08:44 PM
I'm really more willing to swallow that explanation rather than the umps are actually this ****ing terrible.

I agree it's a disturbing thought, but maybe they really ARE this terrible.

whitesox4eva
10-22-2010, 08:55 PM
TAKE THAT YANKEES!!! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

MarkZ35
10-22-2010, 08:55 PM
Intentional walk back fired

MarkZ35
10-22-2010, 08:56 PM
Strange to see that stadium filled.

whitesox4eva
10-22-2010, 09:01 PM
!!!!!!! :bandance::bandance:

omg I would LOVE to be in that ballpark right now....SOOO Electric!

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 09:03 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance:

I sure hope this doesn't get that horrible call overlooked.

WhiteSox5187
10-22-2010, 09:05 PM
That sound you heard is Fox executives everywhere weeping.

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2010, 09:06 PM
That sound you heard is Fox executives everywhere weeping.


Good, **** them!

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 09:06 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw a Yankee cry.

LongLiveFisk
10-22-2010, 09:08 PM
That sound you heard is Fox executives everywhere weeping.

Yes. :happyguy:

LongLiveFisk
10-22-2010, 09:14 PM
Love how excited these Rangers fans are! :D:

Daver
10-22-2010, 09:18 PM
What do you want to hear?

I agree that's crazy.

I guess it makes way more sense that the umpires are doing this on purpose so they can get instant replay expanded.

You do know it took almost a decade for MLB to even start to be taken seriously after the last game fixing scandal right?

That was 90 years ago, how would it look now with 24 hour sports stations bringing the scandal into every home on the planet, and do you really think a multi billion dollar enterprise would take that risk?

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 09:22 PM
You do know it took almost a decade for MLB to even start to be taken seriously after the last game fixing scandal right?

That was 90 years ago, how would it look now with 24 hour sports stations bringing the scandal into every home on the planet, and do you really think a multi billion dollar enterprise would take that risk?

I'm gonna go ahead and choose to deflect your argument with the chewbacca defense.

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WhiteSox5187
10-22-2010, 09:29 PM
You do know it took almost a decade for MLB to even start to be taken seriously after the last game fixing scandal right?

That was 90 years ago, how would it look now with 24 hour sports stations bringing the scandal into every home on the planet, and do you really think a multi billion dollar enterprise would take that risk?

This is a hijack, but I honestly wouldn't be shocked if the NBA were taking part in a fixing scandal.

Frater Perdurabo
10-22-2010, 09:29 PM
I am really sick of "God Bless America." So much schmaltz. Too over the top.

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 09:36 PM
I can just see the nail in the coffin coming.

Come on, Grand Slam.

Brian26
10-22-2010, 09:47 PM
Love how excited these Rangers fans are! :D:

Good for them. I'm living vicariously through them right now. It's an amazing feeling being on the doorstep of something you've dreamed about your entire life. We were counting down the outs five years ago just like they are now. I'm glad they're going to do it, even though I have no love lost for Nolan Ryan.

Bucky F. Dent
10-22-2010, 09:50 PM
C'mon kid. Sit Jeter down. Will this be the clear sign of the end of Jeter's excellence?

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 09:51 PM
What a game by Colby Lewis. Think they'll let him try and finish it?

FielderJones
10-22-2010, 09:51 PM
Three more outs! :gulp:

WhiteSox5187
10-22-2010, 10:05 PM
The first out is always the most important in any inning but that is expanded by a thousand in the ninth.

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 10:06 PM
That shot of CC in the bullpen was priceless.

FielderJones
10-22-2010, 10:09 PM
The Yankees lose!


Theeeee Yankees lose!

:bandance: :gulp: :cheers: :Rocker:

palehozenychicty
10-22-2010, 10:09 PM
The Rangers have really taken it to the AL East. Good for them. and they vanquish the latest symbol of their futile past. alex rodriguez.

WhiteSox5187
10-22-2010, 10:09 PM
I wonder if A-Rod gets a share of the Rangers World Series bonus under his contract from 2002.

spawn
10-22-2010, 10:10 PM
What a great story. Congrats Rangers!:gulp:

palehozenychicty
10-22-2010, 10:12 PM
I think of Michael Young, whose been a standup guy for that team all those years, through all those dreary, hot days of 14-13 losses. He gets to play on the biggest stage now. What perseverance. Congrats to the Rangers. Wow. :gulp:

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 10:12 PM
I just had flashes of this.

Link (http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w_id=455537&w=2005/open/topplays/archive10/05alcs_gm5_chaana_whitesox_win_350.wmv&pid=mlb_tp&gid=2005/10/16/chamlb-anamlb-1&cid=mlb&fid=mlb_tp350&v=2)

I miss that excitement.

WhiteSox5187
10-22-2010, 10:14 PM
I just had flashes of this.

Link (http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w_id=455537&w=2005/open/topplays/archive10/05alcs_gm5_chaana_whitesox_win_350.wmv&pid=mlb_tp&gid=2005/10/16/chamlb-anamlb-1&cid=mlb&fid=mlb_tp350&v=2)

I miss that excitement.

Honestly every time I see a team win the pennant I always think "God I hope we can do that again soon."

cheezheadsoxfan
10-22-2010, 10:14 PM
Good for Texas!

whitesox4eva
10-22-2010, 10:14 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance::gulp::gulp::bandanc e::bandance::bandance:

cheezheadsoxfan
10-22-2010, 10:15 PM
I love the ginger ale thing for Hamilton!:smile:

LongLiveFisk
10-22-2010, 10:16 PM
The Yankees lose!


Theeeee Yankees lose!

:bandance: :gulp: :cheers: :Rocker:



I think we need an official emoticon for that statement. :D:

EDIT: Like this:



http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs795.snc4/67552_1207255317669_1717275039_390383_4118935_n.jp g

JermaineDye05
10-22-2010, 10:31 PM
Is this Heaven?

No, it's Arlington.

whitesox4eva
10-22-2010, 10:32 PM
I think we need an official emoticon for that statement. :D:

EDIT: Like this:



http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs795.snc4/67552_1207255317669_1717275039_390383_4118935_n.jp g

Haha I like it. :tongue:

Frater Perdurabo
10-22-2010, 10:35 PM
It's nice to be able to root for an AL team in the World Series again.

Hitmen77
10-22-2010, 10:36 PM
Woohoo!!!!

Now, we're one step closer to having every expansion team win a pennant before the Flubs.:cool:

The Yankees lose!


Theeeee Yankees lose!

:bandance: :gulp: :cheers: :Rocker:



:clap::supernana::bliss::wooty::cheers::dancers:


.....but have no fear Yankee lovers. No doubt they'll just buy Cliff Lee on top of their $200 million payroll to make sure they're pennant winners next year. :mad:

GoSox2K3
10-22-2010, 10:39 PM
Whoever thinks the Rangers can win this is just trying to find something to make the Yankees lose. Team to team, they are far inferior and playing a 5 game series where you use your best pitcher twice does not bode well for any team.

Yankees in 5.

Yeah, they should have just skipped the games and handed the Yankees the AL crown.:rolleyes:

PalehosePlanet
10-22-2010, 10:54 PM
Woohoo!!!!

Now, we're one step closer to having every expansion team win a pennant before the Flubs.:cool:



:clap::supernana::bliss::wooty::cheers::dancers:


.....but have no fear Yankee lovers. No doubt they'll just buy Cliff Lee on top of their $200 million payroll to make sure they're pennant winners next year. :mad:

The Rangers were the second generation Washington Senators (1961-1971) before they moved to Texas for the 1972 season. They were not an expansion team.

I'm very surprised they won this series, but I'm also glad they did it.

Frater Perdurabo
10-22-2010, 10:58 PM
The Rangers were the second generation Washington Senators (1961-1971) before they moved to Texas for the 1972 season. They were not an expansion team.

I'm very surprised they won this series, but I'm also glad they did it.

But the second generation Senators were an expansion team, right? They were not an original American League franchise that moved to Washington from another city. So technically, the franchise itself is an "expansion franchise."

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2010, 10:58 PM
The Rangers were the second generation Washington Senators (1961-1971) before they moved to Texas for the 1972 season. They were not an expansion team.

I'm very surprised they won this series, but I'm also glad they did it.


True, but since the original Senators moved to Minnesota and became the Twins, that would still qualify the "second generation Senators" as an expansion team, no?

Hitmen77
10-22-2010, 10:59 PM
The Rangers were the second generation Washington Senators (1961-1971) before they moved to Texas for the 1972 season. They were not an expansion team.

I'm very surprised they won this series, but I'm also glad they did it.

:scratch:
Yes they were an expansion team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Rangers_%28baseball%29).
The franchise originated as the Washington Senators, an expansion team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_team) awarded to Washington, D.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.) after the city's first American League team, the original Washington Senators, relocated to Minnesota (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota) and became the Twins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Twins).

The Minnesota Twins are one of the original 16 franchises. The players from the original Senators (including Harmon Killebrew) moved with the franchise to Minnesota after 1960. The Texas Rangers franchise joined the league in the '61 expansion (as the Wash Senators). They have no history before '61....they got their players for that first season from an expansion draft.

ChiSoxGal85
10-22-2010, 10:59 PM
:gulp:awright Rangers!! I missed the game because of other stuff going on - I'll have to catch up on all the fun later. LOVE to see them Yankees go home and pack up the lockers.

Personally I'd like see Rangers-Giants WS. That would be interesting to me.

SI1020
10-22-2010, 11:03 PM
But the second generation Senators were an expansion team, right? They were not an original American League franchise that moved to Washington from another city. So technically, the franchise itself is an "expansion franchise." Yes that is correct, they are an expansion franchise, one of the first two in the AL along with the Angels.

Frater Perdurabo
10-22-2010, 11:07 PM
This was perhaps the most one-sided six-game series I've ever seen.

Not to kick on the Yankees when they are down (well, OK, I guess I am), and not to rain on the Rangers' parade, but I do think the Twins and White Sox both would have given the Rangers a better fight in a seven game series.

GoGoCrede
10-22-2010, 11:08 PM
Very, very happy to hear the news. Suck it, Yankees. It's nice to know Nick Swisher will be at home next week.

ChiSoxGal85
10-22-2010, 11:15 PM
...oh, and Swisher? Grow up already.

Nick Swisher Tired of Talking About Rangers Ace Cliff Lee (http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/10/22/nick-swisher-tired-of-talking-about-rangers-ace-cliff-lee/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002)

GoGoCrede
10-22-2010, 11:16 PM
...oh, and Swisher? Grow up already.

Nick Swisher Tired of Talking About Rangers Ace Cliff Lee (http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/10/22/nick-swisher-tired-of-talking-about-rangers-ace-cliff-lee/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002)




Cry moar, Swisher.

StillMissOzzie
10-22-2010, 11:34 PM
Woohoo!!!!

Now, we're one step closer to having every expansion team win a pennant before the Flubs.:cool:



:clap::supernana::bliss::wooty::cheers::dancers:


.....but have no fear Yankee lovers. No doubt they'll just buy Cliff Lee on top of their $200 million payroll to make sure they're pennant winners next year. :mad:

Congratulations to the Rangers for vanquishing the evil empire. Real sorry to know the likes of Swisher, Kerry Wood, and Lance Berkman will be watching the World Series from the comfort of their own Barcaloungers instead of a cold, hard dugout bench.
Sadly, I agree with your thought about the Yankees buying out their opposition by signing Cliff Lee to a gazillion dollar deal like Captain Cheeseburger got.

SMO
:gulp:

doublem23
10-23-2010, 12:00 AM
Jesus, can't someone ask Josh Hamilton a question that doesn't have to do with his well-publicized bouts of substance abuse? I know the guy is an inspiration and all, but isn't there any other angle he could talk from that is interesting?

JermaineDye05
10-23-2010, 12:03 AM
Jesus, can't someone ask Josh Hamilton a question that doesn't have to do with his well-publicized bouts of substance abuse? I know the guy is an inspiration and all, but isn't there any other angle he could talk from that is interesting?

Yeah, like licking whipped cream off of women in a bar.

thomas35forever
10-23-2010, 12:19 AM
Congrats Rangers. It'll now be impossible to hate this year's WS winner.

MeteorsSox4367
10-23-2010, 12:28 AM
Congrats Rangers. It'll now be impossible to hate this year's WS winner.

Yep. To Ron Washington and Josh Hamilton and Colby Lewis, thank you, thank you, thank you.

When the Rangers are in town next season, pizza on me.

You sent the bleepin' Yankees home? I heart y'all.

EnglishChiSox
10-23-2010, 04:48 AM
Texas pitching has been so much better than the Yankees it's kind of unreal, CC in the game 5 excepted, With these starters and that bullpen they match up fairly well with either of the NL teams and they're hitting so much better

soxinem1
10-23-2010, 05:53 AM
...oh, and Swisher? Grow up already.

Nick Swisher Tired of Talking About Rangers Ace Cliff Lee (http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/10/22/nick-swisher-tired-of-talking-about-rangers-ace-cliff-lee/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002)




All the more silly since they may very well be teammates in 2011.

One more win from SF for the matchup I hoped for comes true!!!

Enjoy your moment in the sun TEX fans, you have earned it.

WSox597
10-23-2010, 07:38 AM
I've very happy for Texas and for their fans. It's been a long time coming for them.

So glad to see NY go home without another pennant. I could never warm up to the Yankees, although I did want them to beat the Twins. :D:

Rangers and Giants would be interesting to me, but I'm sure the networks would be crying about "lack of interest".

ESPN must be wearing black arm bands about now.

SOXSINCE'70
10-23-2010, 07:59 AM
I've very happy for Texas and for their fans. It's been a long time coming for them.

So glad to see NY go home without another pennant. I could never warm up to the Yankees, although I did want them to beat the Twins. :D:

Rangers and Giants would be interesting to me, but I'm sure the networks would be crying about "lack of interest".

ESPN must be wearing black arm bands about now.

YES!!!!:bandance::bandance::bandance::gulp::gulp:: )

TommyJohn
10-23-2010, 08:20 AM
(Not) Today's headlines

Fox calls for Selig to cancel World Series
"You don't expect us to broadcast a series without the Yankees, do you?" says Fox exec

"We're talking billions of dollars here. We didn't spend billions of dollars just to broadcast any old series." says high-placed suit

Telander: Yet another team that wasn't in existence when my Cubbies last won will be in the series before my Cubbies. Why, oh why must my Cubbies continue to suffer?
Does God love being cruel to me?

Sportswriter in [insert city name]: This World Series between [insert team names] is dull, dry, boring, uncompelling. Where's the drama, people? I'm more in interested in watching [insert name of low-rated program] than this stuff. I don't care.
(copied and pasted from articles about any World Series that did not feature the Yankees or Red Sox)

Blogger on baseballdork.com: The Yankees' VIP, VAP, VORP, DORP, DOT, DASH and DIP far outdid Texas. How did they lose? And personally, I would rather watch "Ice Road Truckers" than this year's World Series.


Meanwhile, back in Minneapolis:


Twins upset, demand change of rules.

"We had a better record than the Rangers and we are home and they are in the World Series. We were robbed. MLB needs to change the playoff structure just for us. It's so unfair" says Joe Nathan, Bert Blyleven, and several Twins fans.

LongLiveFisk
10-23-2010, 08:56 AM
So glad to see NY go home without another pennant. I could never warm up to the Yankees, although I did want them to beat the Twins. :D:

Ditto. I am happy that the AL played out exactly as I had hoped:

Yankees > Twins
Rangers or Rays > Yankees

Love it! :bandance:

SI1020
10-23-2010, 10:21 AM
TJ - Yours is the post of the playoffs so far.

Hitmen77
10-23-2010, 11:16 AM
Honestly every time I see a team win the pennant I always think "God I hope we can do that again soon."

If you look at the Giants, Phillies and Rangers; they have much more home grown talent than the Sox. They don't just keep cranking out junk from their farm system and then try to plug a bunch of holes with trades and reclamation projects.

If the Sox were serious about winning, they wouldn't have started the season thinking Teahen was an adequate starting 3B and Kotsay was an adequate DH. Part of success for most other teams comes from having more good players come out of their farm system. That alone won't bring success, but it's a key part to success.

Oh well, I'm just glad we have 2005. I'd feel worse if we were still sitting on that "since 1959" drought and watching the Rangers win it. On the bright side, at least the Rangers took long enough to win a pennant that they have broken the American League record for longest pennant drought. The Sox held the record at 46 seasons (1959-2005) and the Rangers didn't win the pennant until the franchise's 50th season.

Hitmen77
10-23-2010, 11:23 AM
(Not) Today's headlines

Fox calls for Selig to cancel World Series
"You don't expect us to broadcast a series without the Yankees, do you?" says Fox exec

"We're talking billions of dollars here. We didn't spend billions of dollars just to broadcast any old series." says high-placed suit

Telander: Yet another team that wasn't in existence when my Cubbies last won will be in the series before my Cubbies. Why, oh why must my Cubbies continue to suffer?
Does God love being cruel to me?

Sportswriter in [insert city name]: This World Series between [insert team names] is dull, dry, boring, uncompelling. Where's the drama, people? I'm more in interested in watching [insert name of low-rated program] than this stuff. I don't care.
(copied and pasted from articles about any World Series that did not feature the Yankees or Red Sox)

Blogger on baseballdork.com: The Yankees' VIP, VAP, VORP, DORP, DOT, DASH and DIP far outdid Texas. How did they lose? And personally, I would rather watch "Ice Road Truckers" than this year's World Series.


Meanwhile, back in Minneapolis:


Twins upset, demand change of rules.

"We had a better record than the Rangers and we are home and they are in the World Series. We were robbed. MLB needs to change the playoff structure just for us. It's so unfair" says Joe Nathan, Bert Blyleven, and several Twins fans.

:rolling:

Hilarious!

I am sick and tired of all the bitching and moaning in the media every time one of the major market teams isn't in the World Series. Boo hoo!!! Stop acting like only 2 or 3 teams matter in MLB!

GoSox2K3
10-23-2010, 11:40 AM
True, but since the original Senators moved to Minnesota and became the Twins, that would still qualify the "second generation Senators" as an expansion team, no?

The team that started in 1961 as the Senators was an expansion team. The only exception to this rule in sports that I know of is the Cleveland Browns where the league specifically said the 1999 Browns were a continuation of the old Brown and the Ravens were to be treated as if they were an expansion team.

That was a specific exemption (I think due in part to a lawsuit by Cleveland against the NFL). If this was the norm, then you may as well say that the Brewers are a continuation of the Milwaukee Braves franchise, the Royals are a continuation of the Kansas City A's franchise, and perhaps even that the Mets are a continuation of the NY Giants franchise (they did start play at the Polo Grounds after all).

TommyJohn
10-23-2010, 12:49 PM
Expansion teams waiting to win a pennant before the Cubs win another one:
Houston 2005.........Colorado 2007........Tampa Bay 2008........Texas 2010
Washington........ Seattle

Mariners and Nationals, your table is set!


Hitmen77, I copy-pasted your sig, it was the only way to "quote" it. Anyway, I like it for a couple of reasons: I remember when Arizona won in 2001 and Tampa Bay won a pennant in 2008 Rick Telander bitched, moaned and complained about the fact that these expansion teams were winning pennants (and the whole thing, in the case of AZ) while his poor, poor Cubbies were left out yet again. I recall that it especially rankled him when Tampa advanced to the Series in 2008, which is when his team was supposed to win it all. Some members of the Chicago media are nothing if not whiny and predictable.

Second, as I pointed out earlier (I think even in this thread) the last World Series to feature two first time teams was in 1906. Now, the Seattle Mariners vs. the Washington Nationals is the only possible matchup that can involve two first time teams. If one wins a pennant without the other, then 1906 will stand as the last time two first timers met in the series. Which was of course two years before Rick's team won it all for the last time. Better not point that out to him, it might make him cry.

palehozenychicty
10-23-2010, 02:26 PM
If you look at the Giants, Phillies and Rangers; they have much more home grown talent than the Sox. They don't just keep cranking out junk from their farm system and then try to plug a bunch of holes with trades and reclamation projects.

If the Sox were serious about winning, they wouldn't have started the season thinking Teahen was an adequate starting 3B and Kotsay was an adequate DH. Part of success for most other teams comes from having more good players come out of their farm system. That alone won't bring success, but it's a key part to success.

Oh well, I'm just glad we have 2005. I'd feel worse if we were still sitting on that "since 1959" drought and watching the Rangers win it. On the bright side, at least the Rangers took long enough to win a pennant that they have broken the American League record for longest pennant drought. The Sox held the record at 46 seasons (1959-2005) and the Rangers didn't win the pennant until the franchise's 50th season.

So true, Hitmen. So true. We have 2005, but this franchise should be more consistently successful.

TDog
10-23-2010, 04:10 PM
As much as people complain about Yankees domination/payroll being a problem with baseball, you would not having the Yankees in the World Series would be a good thing for people who follow, talk about and televise the sport. Everyone but American League fans in baseball's biggest market should be happy.

I understand that many are not. Fox should be selling the beauty of the game. But it's all Fox can do to correct Tim McCarver's mistakes on the error without embarrassing him. Maybe he's forgotten more about baseball than I'll ever know, as the cliche goes, but apparently I know more about baseball than he can remember.

The Yankees lost, of course, because they didn't have enough starting pitching. They were able to get by the Twins easily enough, but the Twins don't have great starting pitching. If the Yankees instead of the Rangers had picked up Lee, things might have turned out differently.

I am pulling for the Giants to win tonight. Sanchez pitched the division winning game for the Giants, and he really needs to beat the Phillies tonight. I don't know if Cain can handle the Phillies in their park if it comes to that.

As for the Rangers in the World Series, they would have a better chance against the Giants, not because the Phillies have a better lineup, but because the Giants starting pitchers, with the exception of Bumgarner, pretty much matured with the Rangers current catcher catching them. I don't believe there ever has been a World Series where a team had such insight to the opposition's starting rotation.

TDog
10-23-2010, 04:34 PM
If you look at the Giants, Phillies and Rangers; they have much more home grown talent than the Sox. They don't just keep cranking out junk from their farm system and then try to plug a bunch of holes with trades and reclamation projects.
...

The Giants generally have a 32-year-old career journeyman with his third organization leading off, a player acquired at last year's trade deadline from the Pirates batting second, a former American Leaguer signed as a free agent for $3 million batting third, a first-round draft pick hitting cleanup, and a player released from the Rays mid-season batting fifth. The other outfielder was acquired off waivers in August. Rounding out the infield, a former Cubs infielder plays third when their home-grown Venezuelan free agent isn't, and generally at short the former White Sox shortstop and third baseman is at short or third when their aging free-agent shortstop isn't in the lineup.

The starting rotation (excluding overpaid free-agent mistake that didn't make NLDS or NLCS roster), the closer and Posey and Sandoval are homegrown on the Giants, but otherwise the Giants have tried to plug holes with trades and reclamation projects. The Giants bullpen, like most bullpens, is a patchwork of castoffs from other organizations. If you consider that three of the White Sox starters were traded for starting pitchers developed by the White Sox and another was drafted by the Sox, the building of the Giants looks like the sort of thing you are complaining about with the White Sox. Except that the Giants have made more costly free-agent mistakes than the White Sox.

With the White Sox starting rotation, if they had gotten by the ill-equipped for postseason Twins in the Central, the Rangers might not be celebrating this weekend.

But you can go on believing that the White Sox didn't make the postseason because they can't go about developing a great team like the Giants.

SoxSpeed22
10-23-2010, 04:51 PM
The Giants lineup is normally not designed for the regular season. They were 8th in the NL in runs scored, but were 2nd in runs allowed. But with their starting pitching, they were able to prevent any long losing streaks. In the second half, their worst stretch was losing 4 out of 5. On the other side of the bay, the Athletics had some of the best starting pitching in the majors, the problem was that they couldn't score enough or hit for power. The Yankees and Rangers were able to win shootouts or close games with their offense and starting pitching. The Rangers offense was able to score with speed and the long ball. They also had the starting pitching when they got Lee. That's why they were able to win the division and the pennant.

RadioheadRocks
10-23-2010, 07:24 PM
The team that started in 1961 as the Senators was an expansion team. The only exception to this rule in sports that I know of is the Cleveland Browns where the league specifically said the 1999 Browns were a continuation of the old Brown and the Ravens were to be treated as if they were an expansion team.

That was a specific exemption (I think due in part to a lawsuit by Cleveland against the NFL). If this was the norm, then you may as well say that the Brewers are a continuation of the Milwaukee Braves franchise, the Royals are a continuation of the Kansas City A's franchise, and perhaps even that the Mets are a continuation of the NY Giants franchise (they did start play at the Polo Grounds after all).

Exactly, my response was to someone else who did not consider the "second generation Senators" as an expansion team.

PalehosePlanet
10-23-2010, 07:42 PM
The Giants generally have a 32-year-old career journeyman with his third organization leading off, a player acquired at last year's trade deadline from the Pirates batting second, a former American Leaguer signed as a free agent for $3 million batting third, a first-round draft pick hitting cleanup, and a player released from the Rays mid-season batting fifth. The other outfielder was acquired off waivers in August. Rounding out the infield, a former Cubs infielder plays third when their home-grown Venezuelan free agent isn't, and generally at short the former White Sox shortstop and third baseman is at short or third when their aging free-agent shortstop isn't in the lineup.

The starting rotation (excluding overpaid free-agent mistake that didn't make NLDS or NLCS roster), the closer and Posey and Sandoval are homegrown on the Giants, but otherwise the Giants have tried to plug holes with trades and reclamation projects. The Giants bullpen, like most bullpens, is a patchwork of castoffs from other organizations. If you consider that three of the White Sox starters were traded for starting pitchers developed by the White Sox and another was drafted by the Sox, the building of the Giants looks like the sort of thing you are complaining about with the White Sox. Except that the Giants have made more costly free-agent mistakes than the White Sox.

With the White Sox starting rotation, if they had gotten by the ill-equipped for postseason Twins in the Central, the Rangers might not be celebrating this weekend.

But you can go on believing that the White Sox didn't make the postseason because they can't go about developing a great team like the Giants.

Excellent points, agreed 100%. Watching The Giants during these playoffs, every two minutes I'd think to myself, wow, this team is the definition of patchwork.

I also don't think The Rangers are any better than The Sox. As for The Giants, IMO, they would have been lucky to finish .500 in the AL Central.

But, of course, we suck, management is clueless,etc... and the grass is always greener on the other side.

Oh well...at least former WSI whipping boys Contreras and Uribe are helping their teams in the playoffs.

Hitmen77
10-23-2010, 08:37 PM
The Giants generally have a 32-year-old career journeyman with his third organization leading off, a player acquired at last year's trade deadline from the Pirates batting second, a former American Leaguer signed as a free agent for $3 million batting third, a first-round draft pick hitting cleanup, and a player released from the Rays mid-season batting fifth. The other outfielder was acquired off waivers in August. Rounding out the infield, a former Cubs infielder plays third when their home-grown Venezuelan free agent isn't, and generally at short the former White Sox shortstop and third baseman is at short or third when their aging free-agent shortstop isn't in the lineup.

The starting rotation (excluding overpaid free-agent mistake that didn't make NLDS or NLCS roster), the closer and Posey and Sandoval are homegrown on the Giants, but otherwise the Giants have tried to plug holes with trades and reclamation projects. The Giants bullpen, like most bullpens, is a patchwork of castoffs from other organizations. If you consider that three of the White Sox starters were traded for starting pitchers developed by the White Sox and another was drafted by the Sox, the building of the Giants looks like the sort of thing you are complaining about with the White Sox. Except that the Giants have made more costly free-agent mistakes than the White Sox.

With the White Sox starting rotation, if they had gotten by the ill-equipped for postseason Twins in the Central, the Rangers might not be celebrating this weekend.

But you can go on believing that the White Sox didn't make the postseason because they can't go about developing a great team like the Giants.

Hey, relax. I'm just saying it's a factor for our success. You like to turn things into absolutes: well, the Giants have holes in their lineup too (did I say they were perfect?)......the White Sox have good players too (did I say everyone on our team sucked?). I just knew some posters around here would jump all over that kind of thing.....but I don't have time to qualify every last thing I post to stop the "well, the Giants have Uribe therefore your idea is nonsense" retorts.

If you want to start another "you can go on believing" argument, I'm not wasting my time with some endless argument because you want to paint my opinion into a corner as if I'm just some nonstop Ozzie and KW basher making an absolute statement....my views on the Sox aren't simple black and white (no pun intended on our marketing slogan, of course).....but I guess there's no room for improvement (or criticism) for the Sox.

Part of success for most other teams comes from having more good players come out of their farm system. That alone won't bring success, but it's a key part to success.

EDIT: Oh, and of course, you cut short my post. Why include the rest of my post where I say it's not the end-all when you can make my statement look so narrow, eh? I guess that doesn't fit the narrative that people here are just constant one-dimensional complainers.

Hitmen77
10-23-2010, 09:00 PM
So true, Hitmen. So true. We have 2005, but this franchise should be more consistently successful.

Exactly. I'm happy with what we've done done in recent years, but I think this franchise could be more consistently successful.

GoSox2K3
10-23-2010, 09:06 PM
Exactly, my response was to someone else who did not consider the "second generation Senators" as an expansion team.

Oh yes, I understand. I was agreeing with you.

By the way, here are when all the expansion teams, year entered league, and year they first won a pennant:

Angels, '61 (2002)
Rangers, '61 (2010) (were Washington Senators from 61-71)
Astros, '62 (2005)
Mets, '62 (1969)
Royals, '69 (1980)
Expos/Nats, '69 (never)
Brewers, '69 (1982) (were Seattle Pilots in '69)
Padres, '69 (1984)
Blue Jays, '77 (1992)
Mariners, '77 (never)
Rockies, '93 (2007)
Marlins, '93 (1997)
D-Backs, '98 (2001)
Rays, '98 (2008)

TDog
10-24-2010, 01:17 PM
Hey, relax. I'm just saying it's a factor for our success. You like to turn things into absolutes: well, the Giants have holes in their lineup too (did I say they were perfect?)......the White Sox have good players too (did I say everyone on our team sucked?). I just knew some posters around here would jump all over that kind of thing.....but I don't have time to qualify every last thing I post to stop the "well, the Giants have Uribe therefore your idea is nonsense" retorts.

If you want to start another "you can go on believing" argument, I'm not wasting my time with some endless argument because you want to paint my opinion into a corner as if I'm just some nonstop Ozzie and KW basher making an absolute statement....my views on the Sox aren't simple black and white (no pun intended on our marketing slogan, of course).....but I guess there's no room for improvement (or criticism) for the Sox.



EDIT: Oh, and of course, you cut short my post. Why include the rest of my post where I say it's not the end-all when you can make my statement look so narrow, eh? I guess that doesn't fit the narrative that people here are just constant one-dimensional complainers.

I cut your post short because I didn't want to waste space and I wanted to focus on the point I was responding to. Every team has holes, of course. The Phillies exploited the Phillies' holes (especially the hole in the swing of Howard, the man who replaced Jim Thome at first and will finish his career with more rings) better than the Phillies exploited the Giants' holes. The Rangers exploited the Yankees' holes bigtime after the Yankees exploited the Twins' holes bigtime and the Rays and Rangers nearly played to a draw.

My point was that the Giants look very much like the White Sox. Posey is a stronger home-grown talent than Beckham, but Ramirez is probably a better all-around player than Sandoval, who had a tough sophomore season. The pitching among the teams is comparable. The Giants look a lot like the White Sox in many ways. Sadly, Flowers is no Posey, offensively or defensively, but the real difference in the Giants and the White Sox was that the Giants picked up (non-Boone Logan, as the Yankees depended on him too heavily) castoff bullpen help late in the season to put them over the top.

If you're looking for a common threads in the building of this year's postseason teams, you won't find an easy one. It certainly doesn't involve developing home-grown talent.

If I overreacted to what seemed to be the popular-around-here assertion that the White Sox can't win because of the way they put their team together, I apologize.