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Fenway
10-03-2010, 05:07 PM
Go Twins

SoxSpeed22
10-03-2010, 05:09 PM
As I said before in the homefield thread:
All right Yankees, you know the drill.

MarkM2112
10-03-2010, 05:21 PM
Too bad there isn't an option where they can BOTH lose...

The Dude
10-03-2010, 05:26 PM
Go Twins

**** the twins! I'm very glad to see two teams from the EAST that don't include those dirty sox. :gulp:

Foulke You
10-03-2010, 05:40 PM
Too bad there isn't an option where they can BOTH lose...
Agreed. The Yanks are the lesser of two evils though. Hopefully, the Yanks will make quick work of the Twins and then they can go get swept by the Rangers or Rays in the ALCS.

TheOldRoman
10-03-2010, 05:41 PM
The Twins have a good team. This might be the year where the Twins have that dream season, where all the right piece fall into place and they do the improbable - win a playoff game. Or maybe the Yankees sweep them again. Either way, come next Sunday night, the ****ing Yankees will be in the ALCS again and the Twins will be taking a seat next to the White Sox on the couch.

DirtySox
10-03-2010, 05:42 PM
Go Twins indeed.

doublem23
10-03-2010, 05:48 PM
Go Meteor

GoGoCrede
10-03-2010, 06:04 PM
Too bad there isn't an option where they can BOTH lose...

Go Meteor

:rolling: I love WSI.

Hitmen77
10-03-2010, 06:46 PM
I hate the Twins, but I'll root for anybody in the AL over the Yankees. So I hope they beat NYY.

But if the question is who do I think will win this series, then I'm voting Yankees.

VenturaFan23
10-03-2010, 06:55 PM
Great, I was hoping this wasn't going to be the first round matchup again! Bad news is someone obviously will be moving on. I expect the Twins to fold like a tent again.

guillensdisciple
10-03-2010, 07:22 PM
Yankees in 4.

PKalltheway
10-03-2010, 07:50 PM
With the way the Yankees have been playing as of late, I can see the Twins pushing this to five games. However, the Yankees will wake up and take game five in Minnesota.

WhiteSox5187
10-03-2010, 09:22 PM
I don't think it will be a sweep, but I don't see the Yankees losing.

Palehose Pete
10-03-2010, 09:25 PM
Go Twins

With all due respect to your understandably deeply held and bitter sentiments felt about the Yankees, Mr. Fenway, I can't see my way to rooting for the Twins. It's too bad that both teams can't lose in this contest. For what it's worth, the only team that would ever make me root for the Yankees is the Twins.

Tragg
10-03-2010, 09:58 PM
i think the Twins will win. But I hope they don't.

cws05champ
10-03-2010, 10:16 PM
A Twins vs Rays ALCS would be a ratings BONANZA for Fox!!!

PKalltheway
10-03-2010, 10:20 PM
A Twins vs Rays ALCS would be a ratings BONANZA for Fox!!!
The ALCS is actually on TBS this year, but I'm sure they're not looking forward to it, either.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Go Yankees! Sweep the Twins and, then, get swept by the Rays!

DSpivack
10-03-2010, 10:59 PM
With all due respect to your understandably deeply held and bitter sentiments felt about the Yankees, Mr. Fenway, I can't see my way to rooting for the Twins. It's too bad that both teams can't lose in this contest. For what it's worth, the only team that would ever make me root for the Yankees is the Twins.

No way could I ever root for the Yankees. I loathe the Twinkies in the regular season as they're a pesky consistent rival to the Sox, but they're not the 'Evil Empire' or anything.

That said, Yankees in 3.

Frater Perdurabo
10-03-2010, 11:07 PM
I hope this series requires five, 18-inning games.

1989
10-04-2010, 12:24 AM
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2009/10/09/20091009_alex-rodriguez_33.jpg

http://media.nj.com/yankees_main/photo/mark-teixeira-yankees-twins-3fe1f5b0e1b65af6_large.jpg

http://agentcoop.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/gal_yankees_twins_16.jpg?w=500&h=387

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/10/12/alg_yankees_rodriguez_punto.jpg

http://media.nj.com/star-ledger/photo/new-york-yankees-vs-minnesota-twins---game-3-alds-october-11-2009-5486b04c0ae97ba1_custom_665xauto.jpg

**** the twins. Yanks all the way

MtGrnwdSoxFan
10-04-2010, 12:24 AM
I'm rooting for a blackout.

However, like I've said, I absolutely refuse to root for the Twins, no matter who they play. Go Yanks, and then go winner of Rangers/Rays.

LoveYourSuit
10-04-2010, 12:26 AM
Over the Yankees? Hell yes, go Twins!

VMSNS
10-04-2010, 12:50 AM
The Twins can go pound sand. Like someone on here said a few days ago, "I wouldn't piss on the Twins, even if they were on fire." Seriously, **** the Twins.

Can't stand the Yankees, but they are going to disassemble this Twinkie team. They are going to prove just how average the Twins rotation really is. Minnesota might put up a little bit of a fight, but the Yankees will take this in 3, no question.

palehozenychicty
10-04-2010, 02:45 AM
I still can't believe how the Twinkies win with that rotation. The Yanks superior lineup will expose them yet again as pumpkins.

nccwsfan
10-04-2010, 11:05 AM
Might be closer than most of us think, but the Yankees will eventually win the series.

QueerGirrl
10-04-2010, 12:02 PM
Go Meteor

+1 **** both of 'em.

FloridaTigers
10-04-2010, 01:40 PM
The idea of the Twins winning makes me sick.

The idea of fellow hated rivals actually rooting for the Twins makes me even more sick. Where are some of your backbones? :scratch:

Fenway
10-04-2010, 01:50 PM
The idea of the Twins winning makes me sick.

The idea of fellow hated rivals actually rooting for the Twins makes me even more sick. Where are some of your backbones? :scratch:

Well I can't root for NYY :tongue:


Twinkies have locker room material now

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/10/04/gal_backpage_101004.jpg

doublem23
10-04-2010, 01:50 PM
Where are some of your backbones? :scratch:

Eh, it's the Yankees, I can see it. They're up with some of the least likeable teams in the game.

A-Rod is a juicer. Nick Swisher pouted on the bench for us. Jeter is the most overrated player in baseball. CC Sabathia is a fat *******. Andy Pettiite is a juicer. Etc. Etc.

The best part of this series is one of them has to lose.

dwitt76
10-04-2010, 01:52 PM
I can't root for the Yankees.

russ99
10-04-2010, 01:54 PM
The ALCS is actually on TBS this year, but I'm sure they're not looking forward to it, either.

What the heck? Since when is the ALCS not on regular TV?? This is as bad as the Hawks playoff games on Versus.

Nice money grab Bud, as if you're not killing the game already...

BTW - Yankees in 4, rooting for nobody.

1989
10-04-2010, 02:32 PM
Well I can't root for NYY :tongue:


Twinkies have locker room material now

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/10/04/gal_backpage_101004.jpg

I love it. I think Yankees win in 5, with Pettite being nails in game 5.

LongLiveFisk
10-04-2010, 02:50 PM
Go Yankees! Sweep the Twins and, then, get swept by the Rays!

I can totally live with this arrangement.

Nellie_Fox
10-04-2010, 03:17 PM
The idea of the Twins winning makes me sick.

The idea of fellow hated rivals actually rooting for the Twins makes me even more sick. Where are some of your backbones? :scratch:We're entitled to our own opinions. I've pretty much always gone:

1. Sox
2. AL Central (or West before three divisions)
3. Other AL that isn't the Yankees
4. Anybody other than the Yankees that isn't the Cubs.

dwitt76
10-04-2010, 03:22 PM
Went on SI to see postseason power rankings to win it all. #2 was Yankee's, #8 was Twins. Doesn't make us losing the division to the twins any better

kobo
10-04-2010, 03:32 PM
I still can't believe how the Twinkies win with that rotation. The Yanks superior lineup will expose them yet again as pumpkins.
Yankees rotation isn't much better.

rdwj
10-04-2010, 03:34 PM
I always pull for the AL Central Champ in the playoffs. They're our representative.

Nellie_Fox
10-04-2010, 03:48 PM
I always pull for the AL Central Champ in the playoffs. They're our representative.:thumbsup:

downstairs
10-04-2010, 04:30 PM
C. Not watching, rooting for the winner to get booted in the ALCS.

The Yanks bore me, and the Twins aren't going anywhere. I suppose I would actually vote for the Twins, technically, as they have the best chance of choking in the ALCS.

gogosox675
10-04-2010, 04:58 PM
What the heck? Since when is the ALCS not on regular TV?? This is as bad as the Hawks playoff games on Versus.

Nice money grab Bud, as if you're not killing the game already...

BTW - Yankees in 4, rooting for nobody.

They've been doing this since 2007. I think it's a dumb idea, but baseball is going to do whatever it can to get money. Although the NLCS will be covered by Fox. I would rather watch the playoffs on cable than have to listen to Buck and McCarver again this year.

palehozenychicty
10-04-2010, 10:40 PM
Yankees rotation isn't much better.

I'll take CC and Pettitte any day.

Bucky F. Dent
10-04-2010, 10:43 PM
go meteor
:d:

dwitt76
10-05-2010, 02:37 PM
Twins have lost 9 straight playoff games. Crazy stat.

soltrain21
10-05-2010, 02:40 PM
Twins have lost 9 straight playoff games. Crazy stat.

How many have the Cubs lost? 7 or 8?

WhiteSox5187
10-05-2010, 03:10 PM
How many have the Cubs lost? 7 or 8?

I count 8, the last two of the 2003 NLCS and two straight sweeps in '07 and '08.

dwitt76
10-05-2010, 03:57 PM
I count 8, the last two of the 2003 NLCS and two straight sweeps in '07 and '08.

Cubs has lost 9 in a row as well. They were up 3-1 in the 03 NLCS before dropping the next 3 games. Then the 2 sweeps.

dwitt76
10-05-2010, 03:58 PM
Here is all time list:

Red Sox
1986-95
13
Phillies
1915-76
11
Royals
1980-85
10
Rangers
1996-99
9*
Twins
2004-09
9*
Cubs
2003-08
9*
Angels
2005-08
9
Padres
1998-2006
9
*Active streak

TheOldRoman
10-05-2010, 04:38 PM
Provided the Sox keep getting the yips against the Twins, there is a very good chance that record will be broken by the Twins next year. History will be made!

asindc
10-05-2010, 04:55 PM
Provided the Sox keep getting the yips against the Twins, there is a very good chance that record will be broken by the Twins next year. History will be made!

Or we could win the division and they the wild card with the same ultimate result for them.

1989
10-05-2010, 05:35 PM
Might as well start the ALCS thread and ignore this one. It's an automatic series win.

The only question is how many pointless bunts we see from the Twins

Sockinchisox
10-06-2010, 08:49 PM
Might as well start the ALCS thread and ignore this one. It's an automatic series win.

The only question is how many pointless bunts we see from the Twins

Well, there's one.

ChiSoxGal85
10-06-2010, 09:12 PM
I dunno, the Twins seem to have a lot going right for them this year - not always, but when it counts. I'm thinking it's their year. Bleah.

Boondock Saint
10-06-2010, 09:15 PM
I dunno, the Twins seem to have a lot going right for them this year - not always, but when it counts. I'm thinking it's their year. Bleah.

You'll be reconsidering that statement once the rest of their playoff rotation faces the Yankees.

1989
10-06-2010, 09:27 PM
No Swisher, no

Boondock Saint
10-06-2010, 09:32 PM
Liriano=A-Rod's daddy. Good morning, good afternoon, good night.

Rdy2PlayBall
10-06-2010, 09:45 PM
Lol, are people are still voting?

1989
10-06-2010, 10:05 PM
Ron Darling: You don't think they want this game? No Ron, I was thinking they wanted to lose game 1 of a playoff series.

JermaineDye05
10-06-2010, 10:37 PM
Yankees take the lead 4-3!!

:bandance:

2 out double by Chicago native Curtis Granderson.

EDIT: Now Gameday says it was a triple.

MarkZ35
10-06-2010, 10:38 PM
Very nice

1989
10-06-2010, 10:38 PM
The Grandyman can! The Grandyman can! /sterling

g0g0
10-06-2010, 10:38 PM
Liriano out in the 6th. Yankees tie it up. :(:

spawn
10-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Liriano out in the 6th. Yankees tie it up. :(:
Actually, the Yankees took the lead. That double scored two. Ernie Johnson messed up the call.

1989
10-06-2010, 10:40 PM
the yanks are in their heads

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 10:45 PM
the yanks are in their heads

I wonder if they still have the taste of last year's sweep in their mouths. I hope so.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
10-06-2010, 10:47 PM
I wonder if they still have the taste of last year's sweep in their mouths. I hope so.

The Twins against anyone in the playoffs are what the Sox are against the Twins.

Jeez, if we could just muscle up a little backbone against these jerks, we could maybe give the Yankees a little more to handle.

WhiteSox5187
10-06-2010, 10:48 PM
You know how when we play the Twins there is that moment where as a fan you go "Oh no, not again?" When Posada singled I think every Twins fan had that thought. The Yankees are in the Twins heads.

1989
10-06-2010, 10:50 PM
Cmon CC, gotta finish off this inning

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 10:50 PM
You know how when we play the Twins there is that moment where as a fan you go "Oh no, not again?" When Posada singled I think every Twins fan had that thought. The Yankees are in the Twins heads.

Eh, they can still win this. I don't wanna jinx anything.


Nice almost-catch there.

WhiteSox5187
10-06-2010, 10:51 PM
Of course as soon as I say the Yankees are in the Twins' head they rally. I will refrain from making anymore comments related to the Twins.

1989
10-06-2010, 10:51 PM
What a catc- AJHOEIFEOHFEOIFNDJIOSD - Ernie.

cub killer
10-06-2010, 10:52 PM
I wonder if they still have the taste of last year's sweep in their mouths. I hope so.
I don't think it's there.

DirtySox
10-06-2010, 10:55 PM
Tie game. :bandance:

1989
10-06-2010, 10:56 PM
Typical twins AB. Valencia gets every borderline call

Nelfox02
10-06-2010, 10:56 PM
ugh

need to hold it right here and go to work vs that pen.....I think any hit by Hardy here and the Twinks wont be looking back in this game at least

MtGrnwdSoxFan
10-06-2010, 10:56 PM
Sabathia with a case of the walksies.

****ing hell.

Nelfox02
10-06-2010, 10:58 PM
I feel dirty rooting for the yankees, but nothing good comes of the Twins winning in the post season from a sox fan point of view

nothing

sorry Thome

MtGrnwdSoxFan
10-06-2010, 10:59 PM
Now that's the playoff Twins.

Let's go, Yanks.

1989
10-06-2010, 11:00 PM
Ok, get some runs. Then Joba - 7th, Wood - 8th, Enter Sandman - 9th

RadioheadRocks
10-06-2010, 11:01 PM
Let both teams beat the living hell out of each other so Texas or Tampa Bay have a cakewalk in the ALCS.

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 11:05 PM
Let both teams beat the living hell out of each other so Texas or Tampa Bay have a cakewalk in the ALCS.

I can go for this. Especially if it's Tampa.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
10-06-2010, 11:07 PM
I can go for this. Especially if it's Tampa.

Yay Swisher!

God, this game is like choosing to get shot in the foot or in the neck.

Nelfox02
10-06-2010, 11:08 PM
boom goes the dynamite

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 11:08 PM
Lulz. And shut up, Swisher.

MarkZ35
10-06-2010, 11:08 PM
Yeah buddy

JB98
10-06-2010, 11:08 PM
That's unfortunate. You hate to see anything bad happen to the Twins.

Nelfox02
10-06-2010, 11:09 PM
I wonder if they end up losing this series, another 1 and done to the NYY....does this force the Twins to be aggressive in the FA market?

does that in turn force the Sox to come up with better plans than Jonesay?

MtGrnwdSoxFan
10-06-2010, 11:10 PM
Teixeira goes BOOM on Crain's face, 6-4 Yanks.

Nice knowing ya, foot.

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 11:11 PM
Teixeira goes BOOM on Mijares' face, 6-4 Yanks.

Nice knowing ya, foot.

It was Jesse Crain, not Mijares. Mijares is one of two Twins I actually like.

Rdy2PlayBall
10-06-2010, 11:11 PM
Yay Swisher!

God, this game is like choosing to get shot in the foot or in the neck.
That is probably the easiest decision I would ever have to make... lol

1989
10-06-2010, 11:13 PM
A text message!

Rdy2PlayBall
10-06-2010, 11:14 PM
As much as some of you hate Swisher, getting rid of him for what we got was a terrible move.

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 11:16 PM
Turn down the crowd mics, jeez.

Nelfox02
10-06-2010, 11:16 PM
As much as some of you hate Swisher, getting rid of him for what we got was a terrible move.


I remember being somewhat optimistic on acquiring Swisher when I heard about it on the radio at first.........then it all went wrong

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 11:16 PM
As much as some of you hate Swisher, getting rid of him for what we got was a terrible move.

That's one of the reasons I hate him.

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 11:17 PM
Boone Logan WAS warming for the Yanks, apparently. God please no (unless he's been doing better this year. I haven't been paying attention).

1989
10-06-2010, 11:19 PM
These twins-Yankees games remind me of the way the Red Sox-Yankees games would always turn out pre 2004 ALCS

ChiSoxGal85
10-06-2010, 11:21 PM
Boone Logan WAS warming for the Yanks, apparently. God please no (unless he's been doing better this year. I haven't been paying attention).

LOL - Rogers agrees with you:

http://twitter.com/ChiTribRogers/status/26614659497

1989
10-06-2010, 11:21 PM
Boone Logan WAS warming for the Yanks, apparently. God please no (unless he's been doing better this year. I haven't been paying attention).

Logan is so not ready for prime time

1989
10-06-2010, 11:29 PM
Please make me like you Boone Logan

1989
10-06-2010, 11:34 PM
Alright, stop with the 2-out rally stuff

Nelfox02
10-06-2010, 11:35 PM
Thome looking for a chance to be a hero here......

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 11:35 PM
Thome looking for a chance to be a hero here......

Yep. This is his moment.

GoGoCrede
10-06-2010, 11:37 PM
Yep. This is his moment.

...And he fails.

ZombieRob
10-06-2010, 11:39 PM
Sings: No more Mr. Nice Guy:bandance:

#1swisher
10-06-2010, 11:39 PM
THANKS THOME :bandance:

EDIT: you are who I think you are

1989
10-06-2010, 11:41 PM
...And he fails.

http://www.shafted.de/public/Ha%20ha%202.jpg

1989
10-06-2010, 11:42 PM
Sings: No more Mr. Nice Guy:bandance:

Thome summons his 98 years of baseball experience and proceeds to swing at a pitch that hits the plate

GoGoCrede
10-07-2010, 12:00 AM
Well, this is getting interesting.

GoGoCrede
10-07-2010, 12:02 AM
Girardi not messing around. Here comes Rivera.

#1swisher
10-07-2010, 12:04 AM
Rivera in to put an end to this nonsense :cool:

soxnut1018
10-07-2010, 12:07 AM
uY3LAFJbKyY

GoGoCrede
10-07-2010, 12:08 AM
Beautiful.

Boondock Saint
10-07-2010, 12:08 AM
Mariano Rivera is truth.

spongyfungy
10-07-2010, 12:09 AM
Ernie's voice is SHOT

hi im skot
10-07-2010, 12:20 AM
Ron Darling = Stevie Janowski

OmahaSoxFan
10-07-2010, 12:21 AM
Twins down to their last out :bandance:!

As much as I can't stand rooting for the Yankees, I can't find anything in my heart to root for the ****ING TWINS!

GoGoCrede
10-07-2010, 12:23 AM
Well, I say he caught it, just so we can end this.

1989
10-07-2010, 12:23 AM
Close

EDIT: That's a catch. Typical twins bull**** break

OmahaSoxFan
10-07-2010, 12:24 AM
That was a catch, looking at replays...

MarkZ35
10-07-2010, 12:24 AM
It was close but he caught it

hi im skot
10-07-2010, 12:24 AM
He caught it. ****ty umpiring reigns supreme in the playoffs once again.

JB98
10-07-2010, 12:24 AM
Fine running catch. Terrible call.

Boondock Saint
10-07-2010, 12:24 AM
He caught it. ****ty umpiring reigns supreme in the playoffs once again.

We should start a tracker.

GoGoCrede
10-07-2010, 12:24 AM
Thanks again, Thome.

JB98
10-07-2010, 12:25 AM
Bad call doesn't matter.

MarkZ35
10-07-2010, 12:25 AM
The YANKEES WIN TTTTTTHHHHHHHEEEEEE YANKEES WIN

#1swisher
10-07-2010, 12:25 AM
A fan of instant replay.

Thanks Thome X 2 :bandance::bandance:

OmahaSoxFan
10-07-2010, 12:25 AM
And Thome can't do anything....


:twinslose

WhiteSox5187
10-07-2010, 12:25 AM
Well, I say he caught it, just so we can end this.

He did catch it, if only there was some sort of technology that allowed umpires to go back and look at calls that they had made earlier.

Either way it's moot.

hi im skot
10-07-2010, 12:25 AM
Mariano Rivera is good.

nccwsfan
10-07-2010, 12:25 AM
That was a catch. No matter- Twins back in familiar territory of being down in the ALDS.

GoGoCrede
10-07-2010, 12:26 AM
That's gotta smart, they haven't had a home playoff win since 2002.

JermaineDye05
10-07-2010, 12:26 AM
The Twins lose to the Yankees. What else is new?

cleanwsox
10-07-2010, 12:26 AM
10 in a row... couldn't happen to a better bunch.

:bandance:

kobo
10-07-2010, 12:27 AM
Ron Darling = Stevie Janowski

He is ****ing horrible.

guillensdisciple
10-07-2010, 12:28 AM
3 and out.

LoveYourSuit
10-07-2010, 12:28 AM
Mariano Rivera is good.


Amazing good. I don't think we will ever see a closer as good as he is. Ever.

He is so good that I might start talking him as being one of the top 5 players in ML history. Honestly, for what he has done and for such a long time in his position, he would get my vote. I don't care if he is a 1 inning pitcher. The guy is money every time on the biggest stage.

1989
10-07-2010, 12:29 AM
I have a feeling Pavano is going to get absolutely shelled tomorrow. Berkman will be in the lineup instead of Thames, and the Yankee-loaded LH lineup will dominate

LoveYourSuit
10-07-2010, 12:31 AM
I think the Twins right now are questioning themselves about winning a playoff series ever again the same way the Sox Clubhouse can't understand how the hell we lose to these guys almost every year.

GoGoCrede
10-07-2010, 12:32 AM
I think the Twins right now are questioning themselves about winning a playoff series ever again the same way the Sox Clubhouse can't understand how the hell we lose to these guys almost every year.

I'd take their dilemma over ours.

Boondock Saint
10-07-2010, 12:34 AM
Amazing good. I don't think we will ever see a closer as good as he is. Ever.

He is so good that I might start talking him as being one of the top 5 players in ML history. Honestly, for what he has done and for such a long time in his position, he would get my vote. I don't care if he is a 1 inning pitcher. The guy is money every time on the biggest stage.

He is the exception that proves the rule. Closers come and go, Mariano Rivera stays.

MarkZ35
10-07-2010, 12:37 AM
Ron Darling = Stevie Janowski
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/tmbs/a1c25645b8/fullsize_21.jpg?d1f210b4

thomas35forever
10-07-2010, 12:40 AM
Two more games and we can say night-night.

cards press box
10-07-2010, 12:45 AM
Gardenhire goes to 6-19 in the post-season.

GoGoCrede
10-07-2010, 12:46 AM
Entertaining to the max. Rivera is money. Still, I can't help but think the Twins will at least win a game in this series. They really can't be THAT bad in the postseason for this long....right? Eventually something has to give.

LoveYourSuit
10-07-2010, 12:47 AM
He is the exception that proves the rule. Closers come and go, Mariano Rivera stays.


Yeah, and for that reason it makes his career performance all that more spectacular to me.


He has pitched effectively for 15 seasons now in a position in baseball were the life of a closer on the average is probably about 3-4 season.

15 seasons, My God :o:

Dennis Eckersley was lights out for only 5 seasons. That puts things in perspective there.


Amazing.

LoveYourSuit
10-07-2010, 12:49 AM
I'd take their dilemma over ours.


Yeah. me too.

When it comes to my own team, there is nothing like playoff baseball.

I would take it in the moon for 3 straight games, but just get me there.

1989
10-07-2010, 03:04 AM
Yeah, and for that reason it makes his career performance all that more spectacular to me.


He has pitched effectively for 15 seasons now in a position in baseball were the life of a closer on the average is probably about 3-4 season.

15 seasons, My God :o:

Dennis Eckersley was lights out for only 5 seasons. That puts things in perspective there.


Amazing.

It's funny that you say this. The other day I was going through some youtube videos of a NY radio show the day after the Red Sox came back against the Yankees in 2004 and both hosts thought that it was the beginning of the end of Mariano Rivera. They couldn't have been more wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6cK6g9GF4&feature=related

asindc
10-07-2010, 08:26 AM
I'd take their dilemma over ours.

Yeah. me too.

When it comes to my own team, there is nothing like playoff baseball.

I would take it in the moon for 3 straight games, but just get me there.

Perhaps, but I'll take our previous decade over their's. If this decade is a repeat for both teams, then sign me up right now.

DrCrawdad
10-07-2010, 08:33 AM
"Disappointed right now. Had a ballgame and it got away from us." - Ron Gardenhire.That's the Twins following the Sox vs. Twins script. As much as the Twins are kryptonite to the Sox, the Yankees are to the Twins.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oP1r9R7e2cs/TCeQE58Dd1I/AAAAAAAAAhI/qfZ3S9nl9K8/s1600/203715-188412-kryptonite_large.jpg

http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/02/news/newsmakers/yogi_suit/yogi_berra.03.jpg
"It's déjà vu all over again (for the Twins)."

hawkjt
10-07-2010, 10:17 AM
Perhaps, but I'll take our previous decade over their's. If this decade is a repeat for both teams, then sign me up right now.

The Sox have won 12 playoff games since the Twins won one.
I agree. Getting there is great,but losing ten games in a row when you get there? Sucks. Playoff hell. The Twins are in it. I will take the Sox decade over the Twins.

SoxandtheCityTee
10-07-2010, 11:15 AM
The Sox have won 12 playoff games since the Twins won one.

I wouldn't swap places either. Making the playoffs and then getting swept out is generally a miserable experience. Winning only one against the Rays in 2008 was tempered by the incredible season-ending series of cliffhangers. The knowledge that the need to play games 162 and 163 had screwed up our rotation for the ALDS was easy to suppress -- temporarily.

2000 was awful, especially if you sat through both losses at home.

Hitmen77
10-07-2010, 12:55 PM
I'm totally with you guys in laughing at the Twins flop yesterday, but I still can't be happy with the Yankees (possibly) starting another march to a pennant.

Yesterday really highlighted how they can just throw money at the highest priced free agents (Sabathia and Teixeira) even when their payroll was already a staggering $200 million to allow them to just blow past the rest of the league. Isn't it magical how NY can just buy a Cy Young and MVP candidate when they're starting to fall to just mere playoff contenders? Quick, someone call Ken Burns to document some more of this mystique!

Ugh. This series is lose-lose. I can't stand seeing either team win. At least the other 3 division series will be fun to watch. Who ever wins this one, I just hope Texas or Tampa Bay kicks their ass in the ALCS.

But, don't worry Yankees supporters, if they don't go all the way this year, I'm sure they'll just throw even more money to get Crawford and Lee for next year.

doublem23
10-07-2010, 01:21 PM
Not that I disagree with your post, but it should be noted that the off-season the Yankees gave contracts to Sabathia and Teixiera, they actually lowered their payroll from the previous season.

DrCrawdad
10-07-2010, 01:25 PM
I'm rooting for the Twins to win against the Yankees. I didn't notice any breaks towards the Yankees in balls/strikes but apparently a few Twins fans have (http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/10/7/1736124/looking-at-the-strike-zone). :whiner:

TDog
10-07-2010, 01:31 PM
I wouldn't swap places either. Making the playoffs and then getting swept out is generally a miserable experience. Winning only one against the Rays in 2008 was tempered by the incredible season-ending series of cliffhangers. The knowledge that the need to play games 162 and 163 had screwed up our rotation for the ALDS was easy to suppress -- temporarily.

2000 was awful, especially if you sat through both losses at home.

I sat through both losses at home. Down the rightfield line for both games. I bought my brat and Coke just before the Buckinghams sang the national anthem. There were no scores of other games on the scoreboard. This was it. No Indians game for fans to follow. No Cubs score for fans to comment on. Their seasons were over. This was it. And then it wasn't

In 2008, I thought the White Sox were better than the Rays. I still believe that if the rotation had been set that the White Sox would have advanced. And the dash to win at the end, the Sunday game, the makeup game, the playoff game, might taken a toll on the team. Come the postseaon and only Dewayne Wise proved on offensive threat.

Of course, the divisional race held special moments that made it a special White Sox season in a year that was supposed to belong to the Cubs.

With a strong starting rotation, the White Sox are built for postseason baseball. During the regular season, though, the Twins ended up pitching better when it mattered, even with the likes of Baker, Blackburn and Slowey and Pavano and Liriano not even expected to be the pitchers they used to be. The Twins ran out a bullpen that would be hit hard, pitching more than the White Sox bullpen, and yet would have one of the league's lowest ERAs. Being built for the postseason doesn't matter if you can't grind it out for six months and come out on top.

In the end, the White Sox didn't have to beat the Twins to win the division, not most of the time, anyway. The Padres walked all over the Giants, but winning two of three in San Francisco the last weekend of the season was only good enough for second place in San Diego. Lots of stuff happens in a season. Had the White Sox beaten up on the Royals and Indians (as the 2005 White Sox beat up on weaker teams in the Central), the Twins wouldn't be frustrated with facing the Yankees this week.

hawkjt
10-07-2010, 01:50 PM
I absolutely think the Sox would give the Yanks a better series than the Twins...due to starting pitching. Sox just match up better with the Yanks than the Twins. Sox do not match up well vs the Twins...go figure.

doublem23
10-07-2010, 01:55 PM
I absolutely think the Sox would give the Yanks a better series than the Twins...due to starting pitching. Sox just match up better with the Yanks than the Twins. Sox do not match up well vs the Twins...go figure.

FWIW, the Twins and Sox had about statistically equal SP this season.

hawkjt
10-07-2010, 02:04 PM
I know, but Sox starters seem to handle the Yanks better for some reason.

SoxFan1979
10-07-2010, 02:34 PM
Go yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GoGoCrede
10-07-2010, 02:36 PM
I know, but Sox starters seem to handle the Yanks better for some reason.

And the Yanks aren't in our heads as much as they are in the Twins'. I think that's definitely a factor.

SoxSpeed22
10-07-2010, 07:19 PM
Unusually quick game for a Yankee game.
2-1 Yanks after a Berkman home run.
3-2
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1647/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1647R-26755.jpg

MarkZ35
10-07-2010, 08:09 PM
And the Twins season is OVAH

cleanwsox
10-07-2010, 08:10 PM
And the Twins season is OVAH

I would love a crazy crooked number here.

Bob Roarman
10-07-2010, 08:11 PM
I absolutely think the Sox would give the Yanks a better series than the Twins...due to starting pitching. Sox just match up better with the Yanks than the Twins. Sox do not match up well vs the Twins...go figure.

How do you think they'd fare against the Yankees without Konerko?

vinny
10-07-2010, 08:15 PM
Pornstache out, Mijares in
Ganderson sac bunt
Texiera IBB
Based loaded, one out for A-Rod

LongLiveFisk
10-07-2010, 08:15 PM
And the Twins season is OVAH

:whiteflag:

goon
10-07-2010, 08:19 PM
How do you think they'd fare against the Yankees without Konerko?

He was injured last year, too. Injuries are apart of the game, they shouldn't be an excuse.

vinny
10-07-2010, 08:24 PM
A-Rod strikes out, Cano pops up.

Oh well.

Zakath
10-07-2010, 08:34 PM
Pettitte does his job, getting through 7.

Now turn it over to Wood and Rivera, and effectively end the no-talent assclowns' season...

Bob Roarman
10-07-2010, 08:42 PM
He was injured last year, too. Injuries are apart of the game, they shouldn't be an excuse.

So you think not having the MVP candidate Quentin in 08' didn't hurt the Sox chances at winning that series against the Rays? I'm sure that's how everyone felt back then. No one was using that as an excuse right?

LongLiveFisk
10-07-2010, 08:45 PM
Pettitte does his job, getting through 7.

Now turn it over to Wood and Rivera, and effectively end the no-talent assclowns' season...



http://hotcelebrity.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/michael_bolton1.jpg

Hey, that term is reserved for me.

Zakath
10-07-2010, 08:45 PM
Impressive inning from Wood. Now to #42 and a 2-0 lead...

Zakath
10-07-2010, 08:57 PM
Another insurance run, like Mariano will need it...:roflmao:

vinny
10-07-2010, 09:05 PM
And that's 11 in a row...

:twinslose

guillensdisciple
10-07-2010, 09:06 PM
I am loving Mauers batting average right now.

What a joke. I am ashamed that they represent the Central.

Rdy2PlayBall
10-07-2010, 09:07 PM
:lol:ESPN Radio Broadcast (NYY @ MIN):
Orel Hershiser says that the Yankees are putting a lot of trust in Rivera to jam Mauer. "They are playing defense like he"s a little leaguer"

LongLiveFisk
10-07-2010, 09:08 PM
And that's 11 in a row...

:twinslose

:whiteflag::whiteflag:

SoxSpeed22
10-07-2010, 09:08 PM
Rack 'em up. Just one more.

sox1970
10-07-2010, 09:09 PM
Rack 'em up. I thought I could root for the Twins....didn't happen. I'll be rooting for the Rangers to beat the Yankees in the ALCS.

guillensdisciple
10-07-2010, 09:09 PM
Time for a useless at bat by Jim Thome.

Rdy2PlayBall
10-07-2010, 09:09 PM
Time for a useless at bat by Jim Thome.Just wait, he'll somehow get a grandslam right here... The Twins always get lucky.

EDIT: Just missed it!

Zakath
10-07-2010, 09:10 PM
Now it's official.

:twinslose

:happyguy:

guillensdisciple
10-07-2010, 09:10 PM
maybe this will teach those *******s not to celebrate like they won the world series every time they win a game against the Sox.

Minnesota, you are a joke and you always will be.

guillensdisciple
10-07-2010, 09:11 PM
Just wait, he'll somehow get a grandslam right here... The Twins always get lucky.

EDIT: Just missed it!


He's a horrible playoff performer.

Rdy2PlayBall
10-07-2010, 09:11 PM
maybe this will teach those *******s not to celebrate like they won the world series every time they win a game against the Sox.

Minnesota, you are a joke and you always will be.Yankees still need to win another game.

LoveYourSuit
10-07-2010, 09:12 PM
The Yankees are to the Twins what the Twins are to us.


I don't think we would win a series vs NY either, but at least we wouldn't get swept IMO.

ChiSoxGirl
10-07-2010, 09:12 PM
One loss away from going three-and-out!!!! :bandance: :bandance: :bandance: Those bastards are getting exactly what they deserve!

Soxman219
10-07-2010, 09:14 PM
Another year, another wasted AL Central spot

Rdy2PlayBall
10-07-2010, 09:14 PM
I don't think we would win a series vs NY either, but at least we wouldn't get swept IMO.Of course, PK wouldn't allow it. :cool:

SoxSpeed22
10-07-2010, 09:16 PM
Yankees still need to win another game.They can take care of that on Saturday.
I wish we could all line up and slap Ozzie in the face and tell him to stop kissing the Twins asses so much.

Irishsox1
10-07-2010, 09:18 PM
Same old Twins, miracle comebacks during the regular season, total failures in the playoffs. What a waste of a playoff spot.

TDog
10-07-2010, 09:21 PM
It was nice to see the Twins lose, of course. But as an extra-added treat, Twins fans suffered a bit more by losing the lead on a double by a hitter they believed was struck out.

ChiSoxGirl
10-07-2010, 09:23 PM
Another year, another wasted AL Central spot

They can take care of that on Saturday.
I wish we could all line up and slap Ozzie in the face and tell him to stop kissing the Twins asses so much.

Same old Twins, miracle comebacks during the regular season, total failures in the playoffs. What a waste of a playoff spot.

I couldn't agree with you guys more!!!! :angry:

samurai_sox
10-07-2010, 09:27 PM
Minnesota Twins = Regular season wonders, October blunders!


And I couldn't be happier!! :bandance:

hi im skot
10-07-2010, 09:29 PM
He's a horrible playoff performer.

Average-wise, yes (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomeji01.shtml#batting_postseason). When he gets his hits, he makes them count.

Zakath
10-07-2010, 09:35 PM
Too bad they don't get to play the Royals in October... :whiner::roflmao::roflmao:

Tragg
10-07-2010, 09:36 PM
Thank you for your participation, Twinks.
Another game effort.
Time to get the 12 guage, the fly reels and the 3 woods ready.

kobo
10-07-2010, 09:36 PM
If I was a Twins fan I'd be insane by now. Every game they play against the Yankees is the same: take early lead, Yankees come back and take lead, Rivera closes out game. Every single time. I'm glad I'm not a Twins fan.

Domeshot17
10-07-2010, 09:38 PM
Too bad they don't get to play the Royals in October... :whiner::roflmao::roflmao:

Or us.:whiner:

soltrain21
10-07-2010, 09:39 PM
Or us.:whiner:

That's what I was thinking.

Zakath
10-07-2010, 09:45 PM
Or us.:whiner:

I seem to remember us doing pretty good against the Twins in October. It's April, May, June, July, August, and September that are the problems...

goon
10-07-2010, 09:46 PM
So you think not having the MVP candidate Quentin in 08' didn't hurt the Sox chances at winning that series against the Rays? I'm sure that's how everyone felt back then. No one was using that as an excuse right?

Carlos Quentin has a history of injuries, 2008 was different, but still, the Sox shouldn't rely on a guy who has trouble staying on the field. You can play the 'if' game all you want, but it doesn't really prove anything. If Jake Peavy doesn't get hurt, do the Sox win the division? Their chances increase, but it's not a lock.

If Morneau was healthy, who's to say he does anything in the first two games of the series anyway? They still have Mauer, Young, Thome and a decent lineup beyond that with Span, Hudson and Kubel. They haven't had Morneau since early July and still finished in the top 5 in pretty much every offensive category in the AL, but Home Runs.

The Twin just choke in the playoffs. It's that simple.

JermaineDye05
10-07-2010, 09:51 PM
Twinkies, next year step aside and let a team that can actually handle the Yankees and the pressure of the post season, take your spot

The Twins are the AL equivalent to the Cubs in the postseason.

CHISOXFAN13
10-07-2010, 09:53 PM
I seem to remember us doing pretty good against the Twins in October. It's April, May, June, July, August, and September that are the problems...

The Blackout game wasn't in October.

FielderJones
10-07-2010, 10:03 PM
Since JB's not on right now --

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.™

chisoxfanatic
10-07-2010, 10:16 PM
The Twins should be banned from the postseason.

Tragg
10-07-2010, 10:27 PM
There's a word for the Twins. I don't want to offend, but it starts with a P

LongLiveFisk
10-07-2010, 10:30 PM
There's a word for the Twins. I don't want to offend, but it starts with a P

:ozzie

"Piranhas!"

1989
10-07-2010, 10:47 PM
The twins ****ing suck

SBSoxFan
10-07-2010, 11:00 PM
This is hilarious! The Yankees are my favorite team left right now.

I saw the very end of the game and saw, in some highlights, that the garden gnome got ejected from yet another game. That guy's a putz.

SI1020
10-07-2010, 11:07 PM
It was nice to see the Twins lose, of course. But as an extra-added treat, Twins fans suffered a bit more by losing the lead on a double by a hitter they believed was struck out. He was struck out. Not that it matters, the Twins are doing their usual el foldo.

1989
10-07-2010, 11:09 PM
In the 7th inning, Valencia muffed an easy bunt by Garnder that everyone knew was coming. And later, Mijares decided to go to 1st on a sac by Granderson when he clearly had a play a 3rd.


Those twins play the game the right way!

JermaineDye05
10-07-2010, 11:10 PM
He was struck out. Not that it matters, the Twins are doing their usual el foldo.

Yeah, well, sometimes you're not going to hit the catwalk.

TDog
10-07-2010, 11:11 PM
In the 7th inning, Valencia muffed an easy bunt by Garnder that everyone knew was coming. And later, Mijares decided to go to 1st on a sac by Granderson when he clearly had a play a 3rd.


Those twins play the game the right way!

Watch the replay. Valencia was coming in on the bunt. Mijares didn't have a play because the third baseman wasn't at the base in time.

1989
10-07-2010, 11:47 PM
Watch the replay. Valencia was coming in on the bunt. Mijares didn't have a play because the third baseman wasn't at the base in time.

But, but, the twins would never make a mental mistake like that. Gardy teaches them to play ball the right way!

JB98
10-07-2010, 11:51 PM
The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

I knew this would happen. Shame on the Sox for not beating that sorry team from Minnesota.

The Twins are even worse than the Cubs when it comes to postseason performance.

Chisox353014
10-08-2010, 01:34 AM
Can we call them Twinkies again?

thomas35forever
10-08-2010, 01:39 AM
The Twins should replace the Senators in a Broadway revival of Damn Yankees.

TDog
10-08-2010, 03:23 AM
The Twins should replace the Senators in a Broadway revival of Damn Yankees.

Of course, the original play was about a Washington Senators fan. A few couple of years after the movie was released, that Senators team moved to Minnesota, becoming the Twins. The replacement Senators team moved to Texas, becoming the Rangers, who appear destined to face the Yankees next week.

The last I heard, the anticipated motion-picture remake of Damn Yankees won't even involve the Yankees, there being no Senators to kick around anymore. I've heard the movie remake, in an attempt to be relevant, will involve the steroids and the Cubs, with Jim Carey playing Mr. Applegate, a.k.a. the devil.

Maybe in Jim Carey's next movie, he will play Mr. Hand in a remake of Fasttimes at Ridgemont High.

PeteWard
10-08-2010, 06:54 AM
Too much Yankee love on this page. I hate the Twins, too, but to see Sox fans getting fired up by the NY wins is nauseating.

ChiSoxGirl
10-08-2010, 08:36 AM
The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

I knew this would happen. Shame on the Sox for not beating that sorry team from Minnesota.

The Twins are even worse than the Cubs when it comes to postseason performance.

Absolutely! It's clear that the Sox would've represented the A.L. Central much better than those clowns from Minneapolis are! One more Yankee victory and the Twins' postseason is OVAH!!!!!! :bandance:

southside rocks
10-08-2010, 08:48 AM
I did not realize that the Twins have not won a playoff game since 2004! Eleven straight losses in the playoffs? Wow, that's gotta be some definition of "choke"!

g0g0
10-08-2010, 09:00 AM
The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

I knew this would happen. Shame on the Sox for not beating that sorry team from Minnesota.

The Twins are even worse than the Cubs when it comes to postseason performance.

You might want to look at your records too. Besides 2005 the Sox have been dismal.

doublem23
10-08-2010, 09:01 AM
Last night's game was just further proof that there's absolutely no reason old guys are still calling balls and strikes. It's ****ing pathetic.

Whatever, Twins lost, so... whatever.

doublem23
10-08-2010, 09:03 AM
You might want to look at your records too. Besides 2005 the Sox have been dismal.

Oh no we're only the 7th or 8th most successful team of the past decade!!!

doublem23
10-08-2010, 09:42 AM
I also enjoy how some of the national commentary after Game 1 was "MLB really avoided a disaster" refering to the fact that Jim Thome didn't make Mariano Rivera pay for that blown trap call in the 9th that extended the game for the Twins, yet after Game 2, when Carl Pavano CLEARLY threw Strike 3 to Berkman that was ruled a ball by Old Balls Umpire Mc****head, "that's just part of baseball."

whatthe****ever

bigsoxfan420
10-08-2010, 09:48 AM
I also enjoy how some of the national commentary after Game 1 was "MLB really avoided a disaster" refering to the fact that Jim Thome didn't make Mariano Rivera pay for that blown trap call in the 9th that extended the game for the Twins, yet after Game 2, when Carl Pavano CLEARLY threw Strike 3 to Berkman that was ruled a ball by Old Balls Umpire Mc****head, "that's just part of baseball."

whatthe****ever

That is one of the most tired, overused sayings in baseball commentary. What's so wrong with just getting it RIGHT!

cws05champ
10-08-2010, 10:19 AM
You might want to look at your records too. Besides 2005 the Sox have been dismal.
Besides 2003 the Cubs are 3-16 in the last 25 years in 5 playoff appearances. And the Cubs still choked in 2003. What's the point? You can't take 2005 out of the equation when discussing the White Sox recent playoff performance because it was dominant, and the high point of the franchise.

asindc
10-08-2010, 10:23 AM
You might want to look at your records too. Besides 2005 the Sox have been dismal.

Your post inspires me to paraphrase your sig:

Look at your trophy case, now back to ours, now back to yours, now back to ours. Sadly, yours isn't ours. But if you stopped posting
about non-existent attendance trophies and made this your post, yours could be like ours. Look down, back up. Where are you? You're on WSI.

*Old Spice whistle

cleanwsox
10-08-2010, 10:32 AM
Last night's game was just further proof that there's absolutely no reason old guys are still calling balls and strikes. It's ****ing pathetic.

Whatever, Twins lost, so... whatever.

Just an awful strike zone all night. He blew calls for both sides, not just during the Berkman at bat.




http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/zoneplot.php-pitchSel=all%26game=gid_2010_10_07_nyamlb_minmlb_1 %26sp_type=1%26s_type=7.gif

Hitmen77
10-08-2010, 10:35 AM
The Twins should replace the Senators in a Broadway revival of Damn Yankees.

The funny thing is, the Twins ARE the old Washington Senators. Twins legend Harmon Killebrew was an All-Star for Washington in 1959 and Jim Kaat played for that Senators team too. They moved to Minnesota in 1961.....and won the AL pennant in 1965.

asindc
10-08-2010, 10:37 AM
After seeing a bloop foul ball that drops about three inches outside the foul line and be called fair against the Sox when playing Minny in that important series late in 2008, I'm in no mood to hear Twinkees fans whine about a bad call.

FielderJones
10-08-2010, 10:46 AM
You might want to look at your records too. Besides 2005 the Sox have been dismal.

Let's go to tape:


1906 4-2
1917 4-2
1919 3-5
1959 2-4
1983 1-3
1993 2-4
2000 0-3
2005 11-1
2008 1-3
---- ----
28-27

Works out to be above .500, which is not exactly dismal. On the other hand:


1906 2-4
1907 4-0
1908 4-1
1910 1-4
1918 2-4
1929 1-4
1932 0-4
1935 2-4
1938 0-4
1945 3-4
1984 2-3
1989 1-4
1998 0-3
2003 6-6
2007 0-3
2008 0-3
---- ----
28-55

Interesting. The same number of postseason wins as the Sox, but only a .337 winning percentage, which is the very definition of dismal.

Now let's check those crappy, perpetual losers.

1924 4-3
1925 3-4
1933 1-4
1965 3-4
1987 8-4
1991 8-4
2002 4-6
2003 1-3
2004 1-3
2006 0-3
2009 0-3
2010 0-2
---- ----
33-43

Well, .434 over-all which is not quite dismal, but poor despite having two 8-4 postseasons.

Dan H
10-08-2010, 10:52 AM
I definately think MLB has to get its head out of the sand and come up with a better policy regarding replays. The umpiring nowadays just isn't that good. Being relieved about dodging a bullet in game one doesn't cut it. So, addition to revising the policy, the game should look into ways it can better devlop umpires. Players have to be developed, so should umpires.

As far as the Twins go, they only scored two runs. The blame for that goes to them and no one else. Scapegoating the umps is a losers' attitude.

doublem23
10-08-2010, 10:55 AM
I definately think MLB has to get its head out of the sand and come up with a better policy regarding replays. The umpiring nowadays just isn't that good. Being relieved about dodging a bullet in game one doesn't cut it. So, addition to revising the policy, the game should look into ways it can better devlop umpires. Players have to be developed, so should umpires.

As far as the Twins go, they only scored two runs. The blame for that goes to them and no one else. Scapegoating the umps is a losers' attitude.

Even if you're too old school for replays, the MLB needs to come up with a better method of evaluating it's umpires. It's waaaay too much of a good ol' boys club, these guys repeatedly make mistakes and suffer no consequences for it. **** that ****, make these guys have to retest every single season. If you're not up to snuff, you shouldn't be out there even if it's a pointless game between the Orioles and Royals. The fact that the MLB continues to allow these dimwits to blow calls left and right is embarrassing.

g0g0
10-08-2010, 11:13 AM
Besides 2003 the Cubs are 3-16 in the last 25 years in 5 playoff appearances. And the Cubs still choked in 2003. What's the point? You can't take 2005 out of the equation when discussing the White Sox recent playoff performance because it was dominant, and the high point of the franchise.

I wasn't saying take it out. I was saying besides 2005 the Sox have been in the playoffs 3 times in the last 17 years. Of that, only 2005 did anything.

Your post inspires me to paraphrase your sig:

Look at your trophy case, now back to ours, now back to yours, now back to ours. Sadly, yours isn't ours. But if you stopped posting
about non-existent attendance trophies and made this your post, yours could be like ours. Look down, back up. Where are you? You're on WSI.

*Old Spice whistle

LOL I never play that attendance card as it makes no sense. Attendance records don't win games.

Let's go to tape:


1906 4-2
1917 4-2
1919 3-5
1959 2-4
1983 1-3
1993 2-4
2000 0-3
2005 11-1
2008 1-3
---- ----
28-27

Works out to be above .500, which is not exactly dismal. On the other hand:


1906 2-4
1907 4-0
1908 4-1
1910 1-4
1918 2-4
1929 1-4
1932 0-4
1935 2-4
1938 0-4
1945 3-4
1984 2-3
1989 1-4
1998 0-3
2003 6-6
2007 0-3
2008 0-3
---- ----
28-55

Interesting. The same number of postseason wins as the Sox, but only a .337 winning percentage, which is the very definition of dismal.

Now let's check those crappy, perpetual losers.

1924 4-3
1925 3-4
1933 1-4
1965 3-4
1987 8-4
1991 8-4
2002 4-6
2003 1-3
2004 1-3
2006 0-3
2009 0-3
2010 0-2
---- ----
33-43

Well, .434 over-all which is not quite dismal, but poor despite having two 8-4 postseasons.

Dismal yes, but we have 7 more postseason appearances to tally than you. It makes a difference. Without 2005 what were you? 17-26. Hardly stellar overall. The Twins have been whipping boys in the postseason, but at least give them some respect - they've played after the season ended 1/2 of the last decade. It's a lot more exciting for them being there than at home in October.

Oh no we're only the 7th or 8th most successful team of the past decade!!!

Which means you should have gotten to the postseason more than 3x over that period! :tongue:

asindc
10-08-2010, 11:23 AM
I wasn't saying take it out. I was saying besides 2005 the Sox have been in the playoffs 3 times in the last 17 years. Of that, only 2005 did anything.



LOL I never play that attendance card as it makes no sense. Attendance records don't win games.



Dismal yes, but we have 7 more postseason appearances to tally than you. It makes a difference. Without 2005 what were you? 17-26. Hardly stellar overall. The Twins have been whipping boys in the postseason, but at least give them some respect - they've played after the season ended 1/2 of the last decade. It's a lot more exciting for them being there than at home in October.



Which means you should have gotten to the postseason more than 3x over that period! :tongue:

So whose 2000s decade would you rather have, the Sox' or the Twinkees'?

Hitmen77
10-08-2010, 11:53 AM
The Twins are even worse than the Cubs when it comes to postseason performance.

You might want to look at your records too. Besides 2005 the Sox have been dismal.

Wow! So we're supposed to discount the Sox 11 post season wins in 2005 so that their record looks dismal?:scratch: Can we throw out a year for the Twins and Cubs too? For the Twins that means ignore the 2002 ALDS win and they're on the verge of going 0 for 5 in ALDS appearances with an all-time ALDS record of 2-14. For the Cubs, it means forget 2003 and they haven't won a post season game (not series) since 1989 and only 1 win since 1984.

The problem for the Twins is that they're on the verge of going 3 and out in three straight playoff appearances. They've won 6 division titles in the past decade and only got past the 1st round once. It's not simply that they squeaked into the playoffs with a low win total and then got outclassed in the playoffs each time either. They racked up 94 wins this year and 96 wins in 2006. They looked unbeatable a few weeks ago - against any team, not just bad ones.

To me this is worse than, say, the 2007 Cubs who only won 85 games and had only the 6th best record in the NL ....and thus were not expected to go deep into the playoffs.

C-Dawg
10-08-2010, 12:04 PM
The Twins have been whipping boys in the postseason, but at least give them some respect - they've played after the season ended 1/2 of the last decade. It's a lot more exciting for them being there than at home in October.

And they can still use the tee times they reserved for the second week of October. See, its a win-win for them!

Hitmen77
10-08-2010, 12:12 PM
I wasn't saying take it out. I was saying besides 2005 the Sox have been in the playoffs 3 times in the last 17 years. Of that, only 2005 did anything.


Dismal yes, but we have 7 more postseason appearances to tally than you. It makes a difference. Without 2005 what were you? 17-26. Hardly stellar overall. The Twins have been whipping boys in the postseason, but at least give them some respect - they've played after the season ended 1/2 of the last decade. It's a lot more exciting for them being there than at home in October.


It's actually 4 times in the playoffs since the 1990s if you don't arbitrarily draw the cutoff at just after 1993 to leave out the '93 AL West title.

I'm not happy with the Sox overall playoff appearance total either. As I already stated in a Clubhouse thread, I think there are reasons why this team finishes behind the Twins more often than not and I find it very disappointing.

But you can't just shrug off 2005. Winning the WS makes all the difference in the world. Just ask the Angels - nobody remembers how many playoff series they have lost because they won it all in 2002.

Anyway, I'm not one of the posters here that is crowing about the Twins losing now when my team totally blew it in head-to-head match ups vs. them this year (and many other years too).

WhiteSox5187
10-08-2010, 12:36 PM
You might want to look at your records too. Besides 2005 the Sox have been dismal.

I hate this "If you take away 2005..." it's like saying "Well, if the Axis won WWII, we wouldn't be playing baseball right now so let's stop keeping count of all World Series wins after 1941."

That is one of the most tired, overused sayings in baseball commentary. What's so wrong with just getting it RIGHT!

The thing is you can't go back and start reviewing balls and strikes. It was a bad call and if you want to punish the umpires for making bad calls, fine, but we can't have a review of every bad strike call.

guillensdisciple
10-08-2010, 12:42 PM
Let's go to tape:


1906 4-2
1917 4-2
1919 3-5
1959 2-4
1983 1-3
1993 2-4
2000 0-3
2005 11-1
2008 1-3
---- ----
28-27

Works out to be above .500, which is not exactly dismal. On the other hand:


1906 2-4
1907 4-0
1908 4-1
1910 1-4
1918 2-4
1929 1-4
1932 0-4
1935 2-4
1938 0-4
1945 3-4
1984 2-3
1989 1-4
1998 0-3
2003 6-6
2007 0-3
2008 0-3
---- ----
28-55

Interesting. The same number of postseason wins as the Sox, but only a .337 winning percentage, which is the very definition of dismal.

Now let's check those crappy, perpetual losers.

1924 4-3
1925 3-4
1933 1-4
1965 3-4
1987 8-4
1991 8-4
2002 4-6
2003 1-3
2004 1-3
2006 0-3
2009 0-3
2010 0-2
---- ----
33-43

Well, .434 over-all which is not quite dismal, but poor despite having two 8-4 postseasons.

Treated

doublem23
10-08-2010, 12:46 PM
Which means you should have gotten to the postseason more than 3x over that period! :tongue:

Eh, there's only 8 teams who have been to the postseason more than the Sox this past decade, but only 4 of them have won the World Series.... So I'm not exactly fretting with jealousy of Braves, Twins, A's, or Dodgers fans.

happydude
10-08-2010, 01:11 PM
I hate this "If you take away 2005..." it's like saying "Well, if the Axis won WWII, we wouldn't be playing baseball right now so let's stop keeping count of all World Series wins after 1941."



The thing is you can't go back and start reviewing balls and strikes. It was a bad call and if you want to punish the umpires for making bad calls, fine, but we can't have a review of every bad strike call.

No doubt. Umpires make questionable ball/strikes calls all season every season; its not going to magically disappear as an issue simply because its the playoffs. Theoretically, I'm sure it always can be said to affect the game's outcome in some fashion whether its the first batter in the first inning or the final batter in the 9th.

As opposed to specific mistakes in perception that occur on specific plays, which could conceivably be eliminated by review, there are probably two hundred pitches or so thrown each game; the number of those that actually result in a ball/strike call varies but its safe to say that its a high number. There are always going to be some in that number that could be considered bad calls. Of course, the goal is to get that number as close to 0 as possible; the system of hiring, training, and retaining umpires seems to be the problem here.

Ultimately, teams will always be called upon to play over umpires' mistakes just as they are called upon to play over their own. The Yankees did that in Game 1; Minnesota was unable to last night.

FWIW, on the Berkman at bat I thought a called strike on Lance earlier in that at bat was a bad call, as well.

FielderJones
10-08-2010, 01:17 PM
Dismal yes, but we have 7 more postseason appearances to tally than you.

7 more postseason appearances, one less World Series championship. Way to take advantage of those opportunities.

JB98
10-08-2010, 01:30 PM
Too much Yankee love on this page. I hate the Twins, too, but to see Sox fans getting fired up by the NY wins is nauseating.

Yankee love? I have no love for the Yankees whatsoever.

I hate the Twins. I would cheer for any other team against the Twins. I make no apology for it.

The only thing nauseating about this thread is the pro-Cubbie trolling. The Sox record in postseason play is obviously far superior to that of the Cubs.

GoSox2K3
10-08-2010, 03:01 PM
I'm enjoying the Twins bashing on this thread.....though it still sickens me to think the Yankees might be on their way to a WS repeat (:puking:)

...but I think it's rather classless for some people here to guffaw every time Jim Thome makes an out. Sheesh, he was a class act when he was here and was pretty much begging to come back and now we're hurling "HA! HA!"s at him.

I'm not going to lose any sleep if Thome doesn't get a WS ring (hey, at least he's been to the WS twice, that's better than some legends like Griffey, Jr. or Banks can say). But, I'm not going to be doing this::bliss: every time he makes an out either. Let's stay classy, Sox fans!


:ozzie
"Hey, shut the **** up Gosox! These people here, they're my kind of fans they are. "