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Rockabilly
09-30-2010, 04:37 PM
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-09-29/sports/ct-spt-0930-bits-white-sox-red-sox-ch20100929_1_white-sox-retirement-mark-buehrle

I hope he decides to stay a few more years with the Sox..

ode to veeck
10-01-2010, 12:41 AM
he's only a perfect game from the HOF ...

ZombieRob
10-01-2010, 01:07 AM
I wouldn't be shocked if he's the one the Sox look to trade on the off season. That's if he waives is NTC

LITTLE NELL
10-01-2010, 08:17 AM
Its getting a little old with him and his annual retirement talk.
At this point if he retires its not like we are losing Cy Young.
He is one of the reasons this team folded in August and early September.

doublem23
10-01-2010, 09:49 AM
Its getting a little old with him and his annual retirement talk.
At this point if he retires its not like we are losing Cy Young.
He is one of the reasons this team folded in August and early September.

Mark Buehrle, Aug 3-Sept 10

8 G, 3-2, 3.60 ERA, 55 IP

Dibbs
10-01-2010, 09:59 AM
Well he hasn't been a great pitcher in years. Buehrle is one of my favorites, but the team will be just fine without him. It might even help the team if we can use some of his salary towards positional players.

Noneck
10-01-2010, 10:24 AM
I wouldn't be shocked if he's the one the Sox look to trade on the off season. That's if he waives is NTC

You realize that a trade would force the team he is traded to, to guarantee him a 16M contract for 2012?

russ99
10-01-2010, 10:27 AM
You realize that a trade would force the team he is traded to, to guarantee him a 16M contract for 2012?

Yep, actually it's $15M as per Cot's, but he's making $14M now. But obviously that could be negotiated/deferred when signing an extension with his new team, or the Sox could send cash to cover part of it.

I guess the question is what would the Cardinals give us for him?

doublem23
10-01-2010, 10:40 AM
You realize that a trade would force the team he is traded to, to guarantee him a 16M contract for 2012?

Yep, actually it's $15M as per Cot's, but he's making $14M now. But obviously that could be negotiated/deferred when signing an extension with his new team, or the Sox could send cash to cover part of it.

I guess the question is what would the Cardinals give us for him?

Actually, and I was corrected on this earlier, the escalator and extra year were only applicable if he was traded before mid-season this year, when his 10/5 no-trade rights kicked in. That extra year at $15/$16 M whatever no longer applies, but he can simply block any trade he doesn't approve of.

slavko
10-01-2010, 10:48 AM
It's not only management that talks too much Around Here.

captain54
10-01-2010, 12:40 PM
Mark Buehrle, Aug 3-Sept 10

8 G, 3-2, 3.60 ERA, 55 IP

interesting way to manipulate stats...didn't Buehrle pitch after Sept 10th?

let's look at the big picture..the months of August and September in their entirety:

Games Started - 11
Record - 3-5
ND - 3

the last 8 starts

Record 1-4
ND - 3

September 2010 ERA - 6.39

August - September 2009 record 4-8

not a lot of bang for the buck @ $14M

see ya Mark...have fun in St Louis

doublem23
10-01-2010, 12:43 PM
interesting way to manipulate stats...didn't Buehrle pitch after Sept 10th?

let's look at the big picture..the months of August and September in their entirety:

Games Started - 11
Record - 3-5
ND - 3

the last 8 starts

Record 1-4
ND - 3

September 2010 ERA - 6.39

August - September 2009 record 4-8

not a lot of bang for the buck @ $14M

see ya Mark...have fun in St Louis

OP only noted his performance through August and "early" September.

:dunno:

See you Opening Day 2011 in Cleveland, Mark.

fox23
10-01-2010, 12:46 PM
Why on earth would the Cards take his contract, especially with how much they are shelling out for Holliday and what they will shortly for Pujols? Just because Buehrle wants to play there doesn't mean the team will just scoop him up.

WhiteSox5187
10-01-2010, 01:09 PM
Mark has been bad this year, but Christ, he was an All Star last year and had a very good 2008 and 2007 too. He might be nearing the end of the line, but he still has something in the tank and can contribute, there is also the fact that there isn't anyone to replace him with. I would bet he has a really good 2011.

captain54
10-01-2010, 01:30 PM
Why on earth would the Cards take his contract, especially with how much they are shelling out for Holliday and what they will shortly for Pujols? Just because Buehrle wants to play there doesn't mean the team will just scoop him up.

if he was really worth it ANY team would scoop him up

tstrike2000
10-01-2010, 03:16 PM
Its getting a little old with him and his annual retirement talk.
At this point if he retires its not like we are losing Cy Young.
He is one of the reasons this team folded in August and early September.

However, lefties who are good for 220-230 innings a year consistantly don't exactly grow on trees.

soltrain21
10-01-2010, 03:25 PM
What is retirement saying back?
:irule:

GAsoxfan
10-01-2010, 03:54 PM
Buehrle's salary is definitely a barrier for any team. However, if the return package was good enough, the Sox should be willing to pay a significant portion of his salary.

For example (I don't think this will happen, just throwing out a scenario), the Cards offered Rasmus for Buehrle as long as the Sox paid ALL of Mark's 2011 salary. If you're the Sox, would you rather have:

Buehrle in 2011 at $14M and $14M to spend in 2012+

or

Rasmus in 2011 at $14M and $13M to spend & Rasmus in 2012+?

IMO, it's a no-brainer. If the package is good enough, the Sox should make sure Mark's salary isn't an issue.

Nellie_Fox
10-02-2010, 12:29 AM
What is retirement saying back?
:irule:Retirement is famously reticent.

Foulke You
10-02-2010, 01:33 AM
It would really be a shame if Mark hung it up after next year. With his smooth mechanics, the fact that he is a lefty, and the fact that he doesn't throw hard would lend itself to Buehrle having a tremendously lengthy career in the big leagues. He probably could pitch into his early 40s like Glavine and Kenny Rogers did.

kufram
10-02-2010, 07:07 AM
I think we could let Buerhle go and I think a veteran leftie who knows how to pitch and never been on the DL (that I remember) is worth a lot to a team with young pitchers. Danks has learned what he needs to from Mark. If MB is actually thinking of retirement then he's not hungry enough to pitch for us anymore.

I also think Freddie is valuable to the right team for next year for the same reasons.

With luck either could also just happen to give you a great year as a bonus. There must be teams that will take that risk.

Of course, a lot hinges on Peavy's health.

TheCommander
10-02-2010, 08:07 AM
Its getting a little old with him and his annual retirement talk.

It's not only management that talks too much Around Here.

For Christ's sake, it isn't like he holds a press conference to offer up this information. Obviously a reporter(s) asks him about it and he answers. Asked and answered-simple.

soxfanreggie
10-02-2010, 10:48 AM
If he wants to retire, then I will wish him the best for all he has done for the Sox. If he wants to play on another couple of seasons, then a 2 or 3 year deal may work for both Mark and the Sox.

I would love for the Sox-MB partnership to continue where it is beneficial for both parties. I would love to be able to see #56 retired if his overall career warrants it to Sox ownership. However, I can't fault MB if he retires.

SoxandtheCityTee
10-02-2010, 04:56 PM
Retirement is famously reticent.

I can't even get retirement to return my damn phone calls anymore.

Brian26
10-02-2010, 08:59 PM
It would really be a shame if Mark hung it up after next year.

I agree, but I agree as a selfish White Sox fan and Mark Buehrle fan. I like to watch him pitch, and it will be a sad day when he's not a fixture in the Sox rotation.

All that said, he's accomplished everything there is to do in the game. He's been an All-Star four times, pitched a no-hitter and perfect game, and won the World Series. He's made enough money to take care of his children and his grandchildren for life.

If he wants to retire to see his kids grow up and actually spend time with his family, he's a good man. That's a luxury that many people don't have, even people who don't play baseball. I'll respect his decision.

sox1970
10-02-2010, 09:36 PM
10 years, he's averaged:

33 starts
222 innings
14-11, 3.84 ERA
19-14 team record

If he wants to do that one more year and then ride off, that's fine. I just wish he'd stop talking about it.