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JermaineDye05
08-27-2010, 07:32 PM
Link (http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statuses/22307291033)

We better ****ing get Manny and another arm for the pen.

hi im skot
08-27-2010, 07:34 PM
Balls.

hi im skot
08-27-2010, 07:37 PM
Surprised that the Sox didn't try to claim him...

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 07:44 PM
I assume he will act as a set-up man. This ****s my fantasy team as well.

BringHomeDaBacon
08-27-2010, 08:03 PM
Wow, sick sick move.

Twins spotted under the radar.

They acquire TWO closers during the season.

Unreal.

Brian26
08-27-2010, 08:06 PM
Sox would have had first crack at him, so I'm assuming Kenny had a good reason not to put a claim in.

JermaineDye05
08-27-2010, 08:07 PM
Wow, sick sick move.

Twins spotted under the radar.

They acquire TWO closers during the season.

Unreal.

Neither is even CLOSE to Joe Nathan though.

AlexRios51
08-27-2010, 08:41 PM
I like this move, our guys have some good numbers against him.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-27-2010, 08:47 PM
How the HELL did he get past the Sox? That's unreal.

Lip Man 1
08-27-2010, 11:33 PM
They also got Randy Flores a few days ago too.

Lip

Zisk77
08-28-2010, 12:08 AM
Sox would have had first crack at him, so I'm assuming Kenny had a good reason not to put a claim in.

You can't just claim everyone because u could get stuck with all of them for full salary...pay manny, fuentes, Hoffman, etc plus you only have so many roster spots.

Coops4Aces
08-28-2010, 12:22 AM
You can't just claim everyone because u could get stuck with all of them for full salary...pay manny, fuentes, Hoffman, etc plus you only have so many roster spots.
We didn't claim Hoffman and Fuentes is only due 1 million more, you HAVE to block.

Noneck
08-28-2010, 12:30 AM
We didn't claim Hoffman and Fuentes is only due 1 million more, you HAVE to block.

When it comes to relief pitchers its more than just a block. A block would be for someone the Sox dont need but the twins do. Relief pitchers is a need for the Sox.

Tragg
08-28-2010, 12:46 AM
Fuentes is only due 1 million more, you HAVE to block.
Then not claiming him really deserves an explanation.

WhiteSox5187
08-28-2010, 12:50 AM
The Sox are dying for bullpen help and Kenny lets two go to Minnesota within the span of a week. I want Manny, but couldn't we have both?

Tragg
08-28-2010, 12:56 AM
The failure to block is what is important. Even if we don't bother finishing a trade, we kept Minny from having him. At MOST that would have cost a Mill. So we'll end up sending talent for Manny (we shouldn't; but we probably will if we get him) just to stay even in personnel moves, when we could have accomplished the same merely by putting in a claim. And then, by getting Manny, we would have actually improved our talent relative to Minny.

We've got to work the system better than this; can't keep getting outmaneurvered.

RadioheadRocks
08-28-2010, 01:01 AM
The failure to block is what is important. Even if we don't bother finishing a trade, we kept Minny from having him. At MOST that would have cost a Mill. So we'll end up sending talent for Manny (we shouldn't; but we probably will if we get him) just to stay even in personnel moves, when we could have accomplished the same merely by putting in a claim. And then, by getting Manny, we would have actually improved our talent relative to Minny.

We've got to work the system better than this; can't keep getting outmaneurvered.


Perhaps we need to send KW the home version of Hollywood Squares. :D:

Foulke You
08-28-2010, 02:19 AM
The Sox are dying for bullpen help and Kenny lets two go to Minnesota within the span of a week. I want Manny, but couldn't we have both?
Fuentes is owed $2 million for what is left on his deal. Is one month of a lefty set up man worth $2 million? The Sox only have so much money to work with. You can't go on a $10 million waiver spending spree to rent players for one month. Who would you rather have, Fuentes or Manny Ramirez? There is only one correct answer.

doublem23
08-28-2010, 02:31 AM
Then not claiming him really deserves an explanation.

Yeah, I'm sure KW is dying to address your concerns.

Zisk77
08-28-2010, 09:06 AM
We didn't claim Hoffman and Fuentes is only due 1 million more, you HAVE to block.

Fuentes is 2 mil and he has an automatic option for 2011 of 9 mil to picked up with 55 GF.

My point is if u block fuentes u would have to block Hoffman and Flores and about any decent reliever as well as sign Mannyat 4.5 mil.

Thornton should be back soon as well as Putz a little later and we are already up against Jerry's self imposed salary cap.

hawkjt
08-28-2010, 11:09 AM
They would have had to do it before Threets injury last nite, which they did not see coming. At the time it would have to have been done, they already had Threets and Sale in the pen, with Thornton coming off the DL in a week...if you add Fuentes,that gives you 4 lefties out of the pen...which means sending down Threets at least,and maybe cutting Linebrink...and leave you with only Pena,Sergio and Harrell for righties in the pen? So, you end up with
Thornton,Sale,Threets,Fuentes- lefties
Santos,Pena,Jenks- righties.
Then when Putz comes off the DL you add him and drop Threets?

After Tuesday, they can bring up anyone they want from the minors..they have to get thru the next 4 games.
The Twins have had two lefty relievers go down in the last two weeks with season ending injuries...so they have room and are motivated.
Wish they had not been able to pick up two new guys from the Rockies and Angels,but it happens.

Coops4Aces
08-28-2010, 11:30 AM
2 million is right, not 1. My fault.

Chez
08-28-2010, 11:47 AM
With Mijares and Mahay both on the DL, the Twins really needed a lefty out of the pen. Assuming Thornton returns to form this week, Thornton + Sale + Threets = a strong LH bullpen. I understand the desire to block the Twins, but did we really need Fuentes? I've never been a fan, and I suspect the Twins will have to send something of value back to the Angels.

delben91
08-28-2010, 12:28 PM
Wow, sick sick move.

Twins spotted under the radar.

They acquire TWO closers during the season.

Unreal.

How the HELL did he get past the Sox? That's unreal.

We didn't claim Hoffman and Fuentes is only due 1 million more, you HAVE to block.

Then not claiming him really deserves an explanation.

The Sox are dying for bullpen help and Kenny lets two go to Minnesota within the span of a week. I want Manny, but couldn't we have both?

If the Sox are so bad on the field and at the managerial level, maybe we should all just go become Twins fans?

We argue about how the Twins can get so in the heads of the Sox players, but look at people on this board. Anyone that puts on a Twins uniform suddenly is going to perform god-like acts on the ball field.

I've been as down on the Sox as anyone lately, so this is directed at myself as much as anyone else.

Maybe we don't bite our nails and cower whenever the Twins sign someone. Maybe we hope the Sox are showing signs of playing to their potential again. And maybe we hope the 3 games at the Cell against Minnesota in a few weeks mean something and the Sox beat the Twins into oblivion. If they don't, then the Twins deserve the division.

Sheesh.

Bobby Jenks
08-28-2010, 12:51 PM
Fuentes has closing experience and is holding lefties to a .212 average. The Twins best hitters are Mauer,Morneau,Kubel, and Thome. Yet you say we couldn't use a guy like that?

mjmcend
08-28-2010, 01:13 PM
Fuentes is 2 mil and he has an automatic option for 2011 of 9 mil to picked up with 55 GF.

My point is if u block fuentes u would have to block Hoffman and Flores and about any decent reliever as well as sign Mannyat 4.5 mil.

Thornton should be back soon as well as Putz a little later and we are already up against Jerry's self imposed salary cap.

He won't come anywhere near to vesting that option either on the Twins or the Sox. $2MM is a lot for one month for a reliever though, which further illustrates my dislike of paying relievers big bucks (Bobby Jenks next year), but I digress.

mjmcend
08-28-2010, 01:14 PM
Fuentes has closing experience and is holding lefties to a .212 average. The Twins best hitters are Mauer,Morneau,Kubel, and Thome. Yet you say we couldn't use a guy like that?

Yeah, we may not need / have room for him when Thorton returns and its a lot of money but saying he is a lefty specialist is just silly. This is a guy who has being closing for the Angels and has a 1.2 WHIP on the year while striking out a batter an inning. Beats Jenks numbers overall. It was a good pickup for the Twins. It would have been a good pickup for the Sox. Although if the payroll numbers came down to Fuentes vs. Manny, then the Sox made obviously correct choice. Hope they can work out that deal.

DrCrawdad
08-28-2010, 02:04 PM
Fuentes has closing experience and is holding lefties to a .212 average. The Twins best hitters are Mauer, Morneau, Kubel and Thome. Yet you say we couldn't use a guy like that?

How did the Sox sit back and NOT either claim Fuentes for the team or claim him to block him from going to the Twins? As it is if Fuentes does anything to help and not hurt the Sox it's bad for the Sox.

The Sox were just outplayed by the Twins, again.

delben91
08-28-2010, 02:30 PM
How did the Sox sit back and NOT either claim Fuentes for the team or claim him to block him from going to the Twins? As it is if Fuentes does anything to help and not hurt the Sox it's bad for the Sox.

The Sox were just outplayed by the Twins, again.

YES!!! Clearly the Sox have unlimited $$ so they should just claim every single player that goes on waivers so the Twins don't get them! This is preposterous that they wouldn't do that!!!!

IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:: angry::angry::angry:

CWSpalehoseCWS
08-28-2010, 02:40 PM
Maybe the Sox are one of the teams that claimed one of the Jays relievers? Fingers crossed.

DrCrawdad
08-28-2010, 02:44 PM
YES!!! Clearly the Sox have unlimited $$ so they should just claim every single player that goes on waivers so the Twins don't get them! This is preposterous that they wouldn't do that!!!!

IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:: angry::angry::angry:

So you think the Sox bullpen would not have been helped by Fuentes with his 1.20WHIP, 39SO/38IP?

And how does the Twins fortifying their BP help the Sox?

Brian26
08-28-2010, 02:46 PM
The Sox were just outplayed by the Twins, again.

I'm sure Kenny had a reason on passing on Fuentes, whether it be Sox scouting thoughts on his arm this year or possibly a clubhouse issue.

I can't believe he's still owed $2 million for the last month of the season. The Angels signed this guy for $12 mil on the year? That's insane.

delben91
08-28-2010, 02:47 PM
So you think the Sox bullpen would not have been helped by Fuentes with his 1.20WHIP, 39SO/38IP?

And how does the Twins fortifying their BP help the Sox?

I think he would help. I'm saying people are pissed more that the Twins got Fuentes than that the Sox didn't and I think that's just an unreasonable expectation (that the Sox KNOW who the Twins want to claim and specifically block those players). In order to ensure the Twins got no one the Sox would have to put in a claim on every player that goes on waivers.

The Twins got Fuentes. I'm not thrilled, but short of claiming everyone, there's no effective way to ensure they got no one the Sox could possibly use.

I just think it's an over-the-top expectation. I get why people are angry, though I don't think it's a demonstration of "incompetence" by the Sox.

DrCrawdad
08-28-2010, 03:05 PM
I think he would help. I'm saying people are pissed more that the Twins got Fuentes than that the Sox didn't and I think that's just an unreasonable expectation (that the Sox KNOW who the Twins want to claim and specifically block those players). In order to ensure the Twins got no one the Sox would have to put in a claim on every player that goes on waivers.

The Twins got Fuentes. I'm not thrilled, but short of claiming everyone, there's no effective way to ensure they got no one the Sox could possibly use.

I just think it's an over-the-top expectation. I get why people are angry, though I don't think it's a demonstration of "incompetence" by the Sox.

I did not claim nor imply the Sox claim everyone put on waivers. Clearly most are players that can not help the Sox and understandably you let those pass. They should though try to help what (all of a sudden) they have need for and that's bullpen help. Not fixing an area of need on the Sox AND letting that person slip by and help the team you're chasing is a double-whammy.

Tragg
08-28-2010, 04:15 PM
Yeah, I'm sure KW is dying to address your concerns.
I'll try to follow your lead and never critique the GM.
My goodness, man.

petekat
08-29-2010, 01:36 AM
if the choice was another LHR or Manny, I think the block was more critical. Have always liked Fuentes, his numbers tend to suffer from a few big outings (was especially the case in Colorado), but he is a solid, veteran presence. Four-time all star, who has been stellar in the past in a set up role. Could see him potentially leap frogging Capps. Don't really see the downside to blocking the Twins, the Angels want something substantive back- if the Sox weren't willing to offer anyone of value, they could have successfully blocked the Twins and forced the Angels to pull Fuentes off waivers. And worse case, they would be on the hook for $2mill. The 2011 option would not kick in, the $9mill option vests only if he finishes 55 games. I can easily see this move as being the one that may ultimately come back to haunt the Sox, especially if they fall a few games short, and Fuentes closes one of the games out in Chicago. Hoping Kenny had someone else in mind, maybe some of the Blue Jays relievers slotted higher

doublem23
08-29-2010, 01:48 AM
I'll try to follow your lead and never critique the GM.
My goodness, man.

Then I'll follow yours and piss and moan about everything under the sun.
****.

Bobby Jenks
08-29-2010, 10:08 AM
if the choice was another LHR or Manny, I think the block was more critical. Have always liked Fuentes, his numbers tend to suffer from a few big outings (was especially the case in Colorado), but he is a solid, veteran presence. Four-time all star, who has been stellar in the past in a set up role. Could see him potentially leap frogging Capps. Don't really see the downside to blocking the Twins, the Angels want something substantive back- if the Sox weren't willing to offer anyone of value, they could have successfully blocked the Twins and forced the Angels to pull Fuentes off waivers. And worse case, they would be on the hook for $2mill. The 2011 option would not kick in, the $9mill option vests only if he finishes 55 games. I can easily see this move as being the one that may ultimately come back to haunt the Sox, especially if they fall a few games short, and Fuentes closes one of the games out in Chicago. Hoping Kenny had someone else in mind, maybe some of the Blue Jays relievers slotted higher


From what i heard, the Twins only had to give up a pitcher with minimal upside.