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TheOldRoman
08-27-2010, 01:46 PM
ESPN 1000 update: White Sox are no longer the favorite to land Manny.

They did not elaborate.I take nothing from that. If multiple teams really did claim him, chances are one ofthem is in the NL. That is all. However, Heyman is extremely unreliable and everything is just rumors at this point. We will see what happens.

Rocky Soprano
08-27-2010, 01:47 PM
Bruce is making it seem that the White Sox did put in a claim. So not sure why some people are thinking the Rangers are the favorites.

Philadelphia MAY have put in a claim. He stressed MAY.

Sockinchisox
08-27-2010, 01:47 PM
ESPN 1000 update: White Sox are no longer the favorite to land Manny.

They did not elaborate.

They're citing this article which somehow believes the Rangers have a better shot than us.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/08/27/hawpe.manny/index.html?xid=si_mlb

Heyman throws so much **** against the wall.

mzh
08-27-2010, 01:47 PM
This thread being above 500, what say we move this over to the other one? Easier than following 2 at once :tongue:

doublem23
08-27-2010, 01:48 PM
ESPN 1000 update: White Sox are no longer the favorite to land Manny.

They did not elaborate.

I take nothing from that. If multiple teams really did claim him, chances are one ofthem is in the NL. That is all. However, Heyman is extremely unreliable and everything is just rumors at this point. We will see what happens.

The wording is weird. There's no "favorites" when it comes to the waiver wire, either the Sox are in it or they're not if indeed Manny has been claimed. If an NL team put in a bid, then it's over for us. If none of them did, we're golden, assuming KW actually put in a claim, too.

Rocky Soprano
08-27-2010, 01:50 PM
The wording is weird. There's no "favorites" when it comes to the waiver wire, either the Sox are in it or they're not if indeed Manny has been claimed. If an NL team put in a bid, then it's over for us. If none of them did, we're golden, assuming KW actually put in a claim, too.

I agree that the wording is weird but that is how they stated it.
I guess they are saying that there are rumblings that an NL team put in a waiver claim.

doublem23
08-27-2010, 01:51 PM
I agree that the wording is weird but that is how they stated it.
I guess they are saying that there are rumblings that an NL team put in a waiver claim.

Oh that makes sense.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-27-2010, 01:51 PM
What's a teal?

Come on guys, is wit and sarcasm only appreciated while jumping out at you with another color.It seems to be. I don't like that fact... but it makes the world easier.

I would be VERY surprised if we obtained Manny... it's too published, normally when things are true, we don't know until moments before it's official. It would be very nice if we do, but I wouldn't be shocked if KW and Ozzie try to win this thing the way the team is already set up. Kotsay isn't getting regular at bats anymore, and the of offense hasn't been the problem. Once the pitching turn around, they'll win the division.... but that's a lot to ask for, and one extra bat might not be able to make up for the bad pitching. If a year extension was part of this, I would be VERY happy, and hopefull that KW can convince Ozzie that his DH plan may have helped against the NL... but beating the AL is more important.

I'm glad this is dragging for sooooooo long, because it's a lot less stressful and I already accepted the idea of not getting Manny. His personality and past has no influence on me wanting him or not, just this past week has almost made in indifferent. Get it done soon or don't at all, because the season is inching closer to being over and 1+ game a week wont be affective soon.

downstairs
08-27-2010, 01:51 PM
They're citing this article which somehow believes the Rangers have a better shot than us.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/08/27/hawpe.manny/index.html?xid=si_mlb

Heyman throws so much **** against the wall.

How does this even work? If the White Sox claim him, how is it even possible that Texas could ever get him?

I thought the only options were:

LA pulls him off waivers and works out a trade with the lowest-placed team that claimed him

LA pulls him off and keeps him as-is.

LA just lets him and his contract go to the lowest-placed team that claimed him.

What other options are there?

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 01:52 PM
I agree that the wording is weird but that is how they stated it.
I guess they are saying that there are rumblings that an NL team put in a waiver claim.
Then why even discuss the Rangers?

doublem23
08-27-2010, 01:52 PM
How does this even work? If the White Sox claim him, how is it even possible that Texas could ever get him?

I thought the only options were:

LA pulls him off waivers and works out a trade with the lowest-placed team that claimed him

LA pulls him off and keeps him as-is.

LA just lets him and his contract go to the lowest-placed team that claimed him.

What other options are there?

That's it, unless of course, he clears waivers.

If the Sox and Rangers both put in claims, and no one else did, Manny's either coming to Chicago or staying in LA.

Rocky Soprano
08-27-2010, 01:53 PM
How does this even work? If the White Sox claim him, how is it even possible that Texas could ever get him?

I thought the only options were:

LA pulls him off waivers and works out a trade with the lowest-placed team that claimed him

LA pulls him off and keeps him as-is.

LA just lets him and his contract go to the lowest-placed team that claimed him.

What other options are there?

You are correct.

The only way Texas or any other team with a better record than lowest-placed team is if Manny cleared waivers. In that case then LA can negotiate a trade with any team.

Rocky Soprano
08-27-2010, 01:54 PM
Then why even discuss the Rangers?

Exactly.
Like always someone is trying to see if something will stick.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 01:56 PM
SI_JonHeyman (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)
team that won claim has until tuesday to work out trade for manny. but who knows, dodgers are on cusp of race now. maybe they keep him.




No **** sherlock! I'm about to unfollow this guy!

Rdy2PlayBall
08-27-2010, 01:58 PM
SI_JonHeyman (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)
team that won claim has until tuesday to work out trade for manny. but who knows, dodgers are on cusp of race now. maybe they keep him.




No **** sherlock! I'm about to unfollow this guy!No kidding. :lol:

Sockinchisox
08-27-2010, 01:59 PM
SI_JonHeyman (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman)
team that won claim has until tuesday to work out trade for manny. but who knows, dodgers are on cusp of race now. maybe they keep him.




No **** sherlock! I'm about to unfollow this guy!

Heyman rarely breaks news or says anything of importance anymore. He always just copies Rosenthal.

Law11
08-27-2010, 02:06 PM
more and more Philly talk on twitter.

JermaineDye05
08-27-2010, 02:06 PM
Heyman hears that the Rangers did NOT win the claim.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 02:07 PM
Grain of salt: Rangers didn't win claim. So it's either us or NL team.

Law11
08-27-2010, 02:10 PM
Grain of salt: Rangers didn't win claim. So it's either us or NL team.

yep looks that way.

soxyess
08-27-2010, 02:16 PM
KSPN in LA is saying its pretty much a done deal that Manny is coming to the White Sox

VMSNS
08-27-2010, 02:19 PM
KSPN in LA is saying its pretty much a done deal that Manny is coming to the White Sox

:bandance::bandance::bandance:

Rdy2PlayBall
08-27-2010, 02:20 PM
KSPN in LA is saying its pretty much a done deal that Manny is coming to the White SoxHopefully this "done deal" doesn't mean he'll be here Tuesday. I wish to see him in a Sox uni by tomorrow please. :praying:
We need all the help we can get against the Yankees.

JermaineDye05
08-27-2010, 02:20 PM
KSPN in LA is saying its pretty much a done deal that Manny is coming to the White Sox

Did they say the Sox won the claim?

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 02:21 PM
I am very hesitant to say he's coming to the Sox. If, and that's a big if, "multiple" teams claimed him with the Yanks, Rays, Rangers denying they did. Who else could it be other than a contending national league team?

FarmerAndy
08-27-2010, 02:21 PM
KSPN in LA is saying its pretty much a done deal that Manny is coming to the White Sox

Eh, as much as I want this to be true, some radio station is about as reliable a source as the Twitters. Take with a grain of salt.

soxyess
08-27-2010, 02:22 PM
Yes and that they have been working on a deal and are very close

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 02:23 PM
Rangers did claim Manny, beat by another team.

http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/08/rangers_claim_ramirez_but_anot.html

psyclonis
08-27-2010, 02:23 PM
hmm if the Sox won I wonder if Kenny ups his offer to get Manny before Tues... whats 4 extra games w/ Manny worth?

stacksedwards
08-27-2010, 02:23 PM
Is Manny and Ozzie in the same dugout the equivalent of Macho Man and Hulk Hogan teaming up?

Sockinchisox
08-27-2010, 02:25 PM
Sox got the claim!

http://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/22288229499

DirtySox
08-27-2010, 02:25 PM
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/102155350/jaypic180_normal.png (http://twitter.com/jaysonst) jaysonst (http://twitter.com/jaysonst)
#WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox) were the team awarded the claim on Manny, according to MLB source. Strong indications #Rangers (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Rangers) & #Rays (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Rays) also claimed him.

AlexRios51
08-27-2010, 02:26 PM
:wooty:

Rocky Soprano
08-27-2010, 02:26 PM
Sox got the claim!

http://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/22288229499

Great, but now they have to agree on a deal.

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 02:27 PM
Wow we beat mlbtraderumors in reporting this. haha

Over By There
08-27-2010, 02:27 PM
Wow, so much for the talk a couple days ago that he would clear.

hi im skot
08-27-2010, 02:27 PM
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j146/sschaaf/brule.jpg?t=1281538765

mzh
08-27-2010, 02:28 PM
:supernana::supernana::supernana::moonwalk::moonwa lk::moonwalk::gulp:

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 02:28 PM
This is exactly how I dreamed it going down! Sox probably have a deal with dodgers and Manny will be here soon!

Danielgosox38
08-27-2010, 02:28 PM
This is exactly how I dreamed it going down! Sox probably have a deal with dodgers and Manny will be here soon!


Man, I hope so.

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 02:28 PM
Sox got the claim!

http://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/22288229499


JOE COWLEY WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

In your face hatters!

Rocky Soprano
08-27-2010, 02:29 PM
This is exactly how I dreamed it going down! Sox probably have a deal with dodgers and Manny will be here soon!

Probably won't happen but I would love to see him on the field on Sunday.

Madvora
08-27-2010, 02:29 PM
I go on record as saying BOOOOOO

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 02:30 PM
I go on record as saying BOOOOOO

Good for you :D:

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 02:30 PM
Dodgers want Bacon for Manny, deal does not go down.

In all seriousness, winning the claim is only half the battle.

AlexRios51
08-27-2010, 02:30 PM
Wow we beat mlbtraderumors in reporting this. haha
All you need is twitter and you can beat them to anything.

stacksedwards
08-27-2010, 02:31 PM
Would also love to see him on the field Sunday.

Law11
08-27-2010, 02:31 PM
http://blog.prorumors.com/2010/08/rumors/manny-ramirez-claimed-on-waivers/

just more of the same news. I love Twitter!

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 02:32 PM
The Score is way behind on this one.

And Heyman is an idiot. White Sox not the favorite? Just unfollowed that hot airbag.

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 02:32 PM
Would also love to see him on the field Sunday.

Do you think the Big Hurt addresses the crowd condemning steroids and that he did it the right way?
That would be an interesting way to welcome Manny to the southside, that is if we even get him considering winning the claim is only 1/2 the battle.

JermaineDye05
08-27-2010, 02:33 PM
Olney says it's not a slam dunk that the Sox get Manny. Dodgers want a player of some value in return.

tacosalbarojas
08-27-2010, 02:34 PM
Olney says it's not a slam dunk that the Sox get Manny. Dodgers want a player of some value in return.See if they'll take John Ely again.

AlexRios51
08-27-2010, 02:34 PM
Olney says it's not a slam dunk that the Sox get Manny. Dodgers want a player of some value in return.
Good Bye Lillibeast!!!!!!!!! Looks like Manny is starting to heat up too.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 02:34 PM
If the Sox claimed him, there was a deal in principle.

The Immigrant
08-27-2010, 02:35 PM
Olney says it's not a slam dunk that the Sox get Manny. Dodgers want a player of some value in return.

They obviously haven't seen much of our farm system.

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 02:35 PM
If the Sox claimed him, there was a deal in principle.

What makes you say that?

TheOldRoman
08-27-2010, 02:35 PM
The Score is way behind on this one.

And Heyman is an idiot. White Sox not the favorite? Just unfollowed that hot airbag.The Score is behind? Just wait until Cowley gets to the park tonight to find out the Sox claimed Manny. He will probably "break" the story for us then on his Twitter.

Jimmy Piersall
08-27-2010, 02:36 PM
They obviously haven't seen much of our farm system.

Yeah but,we have Egbert,Broadway,Honel,Munoz...

Rdy2PlayBall
08-27-2010, 02:36 PM
This is where the fun part comes... waiting until Tuesday for the Dodgers to milk the best prospect they can out of KW. If the Sox sign an extension, this won't be that big of a deal though. I'd welcome Manny for AAA prospect+$.

Rocky Soprano
08-27-2010, 02:38 PM
Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated (http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/22288663980) tweets, “i think theyll have a trade. cant see white sox paying whole $4.1 mil. so perhaps there was a prearranged trade. tho dodgers winning now”

Madvora
08-27-2010, 02:39 PM
We might as well sign Barry Bonds before August 31 too.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 02:40 PM
The Score is behind? Just wait until Cowley gets to the park tonight to find out the Sox claimed Manny. He will probably "break" the story for us then on his Twitter.

Just want to say, I love your hatred of Cowley. The guy is a tool.

DirtySox
08-27-2010, 02:41 PM
We might as well sign Barry Bonds before August 31 too.

Heck yea!

Rocky Soprano
08-27-2010, 02:41 PM
We might as well sign Barry Bonds before August 31 too.

:rolleyes:

Dramatic much?

JermaineDye05
08-27-2010, 02:41 PM
We might as well sign Barry Bonds before August 31 too.

You're telling me you'd rather see Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones continue to make outs?

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 02:43 PM
We might as well sign Barry Bonds before August 31 too.
Scott Schoeneweis
Pablo Ozuna
Jim Parque
Tyler Flowers
Many, many more

oeo
08-27-2010, 02:43 PM
You're telling me you'd rather see Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones continue to make outs?

On the other side of that, Teahen is tearing the cover off the ball since his return, but Quentin should lose playing time if they get Manny.

AlexRios51
08-27-2010, 02:45 PM
You're telling me you'd rather see Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones continue to make outs?
People complain about every move the sox make. Rios, Peavy, Jackson and now Manny. Funny thing All three of those moves have panned out minus the peavy injury.

Chez
08-27-2010, 02:46 PM
If the Sox and Dodgers indeed work out a deal and Manny can't get here till Sunday, do you think there will be any consideration given to holding Manny's "arrival" back until Monday so as not to upstage the Big Hurt? Part of me would prefer the circus get to town on Saturday or Monday so that Sunday belongs to Frank.

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 02:46 PM
People complain about every move the sox make. Rios, Peavy, Jackson and now Manny. Funny thing All three of those moves have panned out minus the peavy injury.

That's why if you have to choose only one to keep it is Ozzie, forget Kenny.

1989
08-27-2010, 02:47 PM
We might as well sign Barry Bonds before August 31 too.

I'm game

DSpivack
08-27-2010, 02:47 PM
If the Sox and Dodgers indeed work out a deal and Manny can't get here till Sunday, do you think there will be any consideration given to holding Manny's "arrival" back until Monday so as not to upstage the Big Hurt? Part of would rather the circus get to town on Saturday or Monday so that Sunday belongs to Frank.

No. Frank Thomas Day is sunday because his number is being retired. If this deal is done, you get Manny in as soon as possible to help the team.

Madvora
08-27-2010, 02:48 PM
You're telling me you'd rather see Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones continue to make outs?
No, I wish KW would have seen the error in judgment like a lot of us did before the season started. Manny Ramirez probably will help this team, but I can't be a hypocrite and turn around and root for a guy that I can't stand, especially since I have such a lack of respect for the fans that have supported him in the past.

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 02:48 PM
No. Frank Thomas Day is sunday because his number is being retired. If this deal is done, you get Manny in as soon as possible to help the team.

If Manny comes Sunday, Frank will not address the crowd or the Sox will censor some of his speech about doing it the right way and not being a steroid cheat.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 02:48 PM
I have to assume Kotsay gets a fluke injury to open up a roster spot right?

hawkjt
08-27-2010, 02:49 PM
On the other side of that, Teahen is tearing the cover off the ball since his return, but Quentin should lose playing time if they get Manny.

It does start the debate,if the Sox acquire Manny, as Hawk would say...
''Where's he gonna play?''

Now, vs lefties, no arguement..he is the DH for all those games as Teahen and Andruw sit.
Vs righties,which is most games, who plays? Teahen has been hitting very well. Andruw is not hitting and becomes a defensive replacement or is cut loose.
Do we dare play Teahen at third vs right-handed starters and have Omar be a defensive replacement?

Ozzie's gotta problem. Can't win situation,unless the Sox win.

whitem0nkey
08-27-2010, 02:49 PM
aysonst (http://twitter.com/jaysonst)
#WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox) were the team awarded the claim on Manny, according to MLB source. Strong indications #Rangers (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Rangers) & #Rays (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Rays) also claimed him.

hawkjt
08-27-2010, 02:50 PM
I would love to see Manny in the lineup against CC on Saturday nite.
We are getting owned by leftie starters of late.

JoeyCora28
08-27-2010, 02:52 PM
If the Sox and Dodgers indeed work out a deal and Manny can't get here till Sunday, do you think there will be any consideration given to holding Manny's "arrival" back until Monday so as not to upstage the Big Hurt? Part of me would prefer the circus get to town on Saturday or Monday so that Sunday belongs to Frank.

You can't be serious...

You would keep someone from joining the "current" team in the middle of a pennant race in order not to upstage a ceremony for someone from "past" teams? :?:

Ron Karkovice
08-27-2010, 02:53 PM
No, I wish KW would have seen the error in judgment like a lot of us did before the season started. Manny Ramirez probably will help this team, but I can't be a hypocrite and turn around and root for a guy that I can't stand, especially since I have such a lack of respect for the fans that have supported him in the past.

He's also a great great great hitter.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 02:53 PM
It does start the debate,if the Sox acquire Manny, as Hawk would say...
''Where's he gonna play?''

Now, vs lefties, no arguement..he is the DH for all those games as Teahen and Andruw sit.
Vs righties,which is most games, who plays? Teahen has been hitting very well. Andruw is not hitting and becomes a defensive replacement or is cut loose.
Do we dare play Teahen at third vs right-handed starters and have Omar be a defensive replacement?

Ozzie's gotta problem. Can't win situation,unless the Sox win.
Is this even a question? Manny is your everyday DH.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 02:53 PM
It does start the debate,if the Sox acquire Manny, as Hawk would say...
''Where's he gonna play?''

Now, vs lefties, no arguement..he is the DH for all those games as Teahen and Andruw sit.
Vs righties,which is most games, who plays? Teahen has been hitting very well. Andruw is not hitting and becomes a defensive replacement or is cut loose.
Do we dare play Teahen at third vs right-handed starters and have Omar be a defensive replacement?

Ozzie's gotta problem. Can't win situation,unless the Sox win.

You can find room for many Manny on this inconsistent offense, believe me.

My guess is vs. lefties Vizquel is at third. Vs. righties Teahen gets some time in RF, 3B or occasionally DH (and Manny plays LF with JP getting a day off here and there).

Madvora
08-27-2010, 02:55 PM
He's also a great great great hitter.
Oh I know and I agree that he makes this team stronger. I'm just saying I can't change my attitude at the drop of a hat like some people are doing here.
And I know most people still don't like the guy, but just want the team to win and will welcome him if he makes that happen.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 02:55 PM
Is this even a question? Manny is your everyday DH.

Every single day.

hi im skot
08-27-2010, 02:55 PM
Oh I know and I agree that he makes this team stronger. I'm just saying I can't change my attitude at the drop of a hat like some people are doing here.
And I know most people still don't like the guy, but just want the team to win and will welcome him if he makes that happen.

I've always like Ramirez.

:shrug:

Madvora
08-27-2010, 02:56 PM
I've always like Ramirez.

:shrug:
Most people.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 02:56 PM
You can find room for many Manny on this inconsistent offense, believe me.

My guess is vs. lefties Vizquel is at third. Vs. righties Teahen gets some time in RF, 3B or occasionally DH (and Manny plays LF with JP getting a day off here and there).

Manny will not see the field and Pierre will have no days off.

Nellie_Fox
08-27-2010, 02:58 PM
Most people.And you know this to be a fact? I'm inclined to believe that MOST people DON"T like Manny and his "me first, last and always" act.

dickallen15
08-27-2010, 02:59 PM
Manny will not see the field and Pierre will have no days off.
you never know. This is the organization that put Carl Everett in CF in 2003 and Ken Griffey Jr. in CF in 2008.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 03:00 PM
you never know. This is the organization that put Carl Everett in CF in 2003 and Ken Griffey Jr. in CF in 2008.

Juan Pierre hates days off, he won't get one. Trust me.

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:04 PM
It does start the debate,if the Sox acquire Manny, as Hawk would say...
''Where's he gonna play?''

Now, vs lefties, no arguement..he is the DH for all those games as Teahen and Andruw sit.
Vs righties,which is most games, who plays? Teahen has been hitting very well. Andruw is not hitting and becomes a defensive replacement or is cut loose.
Do we dare play Teahen at third vs right-handed starters and have Omar be a defensive replacement?

Ozzie's gotta problem. Can't win situation,unless the Sox win.

Again, sorry, but Quentin has to be the guy to lose playing time. He's just not getting it done.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 03:04 PM
Juan Pierre hates days off, he won't get one. Trust me.

Most players don't like day's off. Ozzie is the only one that counts. I said rarely as in maybe 1 or 2 the rest of the year, only because this is what Ozzie does.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 03:05 PM
If Pierre needs a day off we still this guy named Andruw. He plays a mad defense in the outfield.

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:05 PM
I have to assume Kotsay gets a fluke injury to open up a roster spot right?

No, would be a complete waste of time. Rosters expand on Wednesday. Send Lillibridge down for a day or two (depending on when the deal is done), or the deal may not be done until Tuesday night, and you don't have do anything.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 03:06 PM
Most players don't like day's off. Ozzie is the only one that counts. I said rarely as in maybe 1 or 2 the rest of the year, only because this is what Ozzie does.
Agree to disagree then. Cause if we are in the race, Pierre will be in LF.

mzh
08-27-2010, 03:06 PM
No, would be a complete waste of time. Rosters expand on Wednesday. Send Lillibridge down for a day, or the deal may not be done until Tuesday night, and you don't have do anything.
LOL don't pull a Hendry, you can't call a guy up within 10 days of sending him down

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 03:07 PM
No, would be a complete waste of time. Rosters expand on Wednesday. Send Lillibridge down for a day or two (depending on when the deal is done), or the deal may not be done until Tuesday night, and you don't have do anything.

1) You can't call Lillibridge back for 10 days.
2) Lillibridge wouldn't be allowed on the playoff roster.

DL Kotsay or cut Jones

TheOldRoman
08-27-2010, 03:07 PM
No, would be a complete waste of time. Rosters expand on Wednesday. Send Lillibridge down for a day or two (depending on when the deal is done), or the deal may not be done until Tuesday night, and you don't have do anything.That won't work because Lillibridge wouldn't be eligible for the post season. He needs to be either on the DL or 25 man roster. I can't see them going into the playoffs with Teahen and Andruw Jones as their pinch runners.

roylestillman
08-27-2010, 03:07 PM
Every single day.


Except for day games after night games, of course.

Trust me this is far from a dome deal. The Dodgers part of this thing is the easy part. Manny and let's not forget Boras still hold the no-trade clause firmly in their grip. It's a two day contract extension negotiation from here on and spotlight falls on Jerry when that heats up. Given the history with Boras, I'm thinking this is still less than 50/50 he comes here.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 03:08 PM
Again, sorry, but Quentin has to be the guy to lose playing time. He's just not getting it done.

That's why I said in my list of where Teahen would play that he'll play RF more than 3B. I would think we'd see a platoon of Q and Teahen with Q probably playing 4 or 5 games a week in RF, Teahen playing 1 or 2 out there and 1 or 2 at 3B.

Point is...Manny plays everyday, almost exclusively (if not exclusively) at DH. Kotsay basically no longer plays at all outside of late inning pinch hitting duties (a role he's well suited for). Q loses some PT. Vizquel does as well. Teahen loses some too, but as long as he keeps raking you can find enough ABs for him between RF and 3B.

TheOldRoman
08-27-2010, 03:08 PM
LOL don't pull a Hendry, you can't call a guy up within 10 days of sending him downI believe you can when the roster expands.

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:09 PM
LOL don't pull a Hendry, you can't call a guy up within 10 days of sending him down

Wasn't sure if that was the case here, are you sure? Considering you can have anyone on your 40-man roster on the active roster. That's not really considered a promotion.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 03:09 PM
Except for day games after night games, of course.

Trust me this is far from a dome deal. The Dodgers part of this thing is the easy part. Manny and let's not forget Boras still hold the no-trade clause firmly in their grip. It's a two day contract extension negotiation from here on and spotlight falls on Jerry when that heats up. Given the history with Boras, I'm thinking this is still less than 50/50 he comes here.

He won't be in the field, so he needs to play everyday.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 03:09 PM
Except for day games after night games, of course.



The AL has the DH. I would think Manny can DH back to back games.

russ99
08-27-2010, 03:10 PM
1) You can't call Lillibridge back for 10 days.
2) Lillibridge wouldn't be allowed on the playoff roster.

DL Kotsay or cut Jones

If someone gets injured next month, there's a way to get Lillibridge on the playoff roster due to an injury exemption.

Tough call, I'd have to lean towards Jones, since Manny would pretty much directly replace him. But Kotsay could go too, since Teahen would then be the lefty off the bench and can spot start at first.

DSpivack
08-27-2010, 03:10 PM
LOL don't pull a Hendry, you can't call a guy up within 10 days of sending him down

Is there an exception with September expansion?

Sockinchisox
08-27-2010, 03:11 PM
Sort of ironic that Pierre, Jones, and Ramirez might all end up on the same team while all getting playing time.

Law11
08-27-2010, 03:11 PM
If MR sees the OF im gonna puke... He make Soriano look like a Gold glove recipient.

RCWHITESOX
08-27-2010, 03:12 PM
We pencil Manny in everyday at DH. This team needs a presence at DH which would certainly make their lineup more potent. If the Sox are fortunate enough to make the playoffs he just might make the difference ; and hats off to Williams for getting Jackson as well. Go Sox

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:12 PM
That won't work because Lillibridge wouldn't be eligible for the post season. He needs to be either on the DL or 25 man roster. I can't see them going into the playoffs with Teahen and Andruw Jones as their pinch runners.

I forgot about that, but I could see it happening still.

EDIT: There are also exceptions to the rule. I don't remember exactly how it works, but you can replace an eligible player that's on the DL with an ineligible player.

soxyess
08-27-2010, 03:13 PM
KSPN saying deal done, Sox pick up most of rest of contract and LA gets PTBN

khan
08-27-2010, 03:13 PM
I'm mixed on this one.

On the one hand, they FINALLY saw the moronic error of their ways, and got a ****ing DH.


On the other hand, they stupidly passed up an actual decent human being [apparently] AND a decent hitter who wanted to be here for LESS money, all while letting him play for our division rivals.


This organization continues to take desperate measures to erase stupid/expensive moves. There seems to be a lack of an overall strategy, IMO.
[/hijack]

OK, back to the assclown's love-fest, everybody!

harwar
08-27-2010, 03:14 PM
this is pretty damn exciting .. if we got Manny .. i can't stop smiling ..

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 03:14 PM
And come on people, this is a done deal. Don't tell me anything about Boras or a no trade clause. That isn't in their favor at all. Manny needs to play everyday at Dh this season so he can get contract offers for next season. Call their bluff, they will fold.

TheOldRoman
08-27-2010, 03:15 PM
I forgot about that, but I could see it happening still.It will be a tough decision for Ozzie, but he loves to have a speedy pinch runner on the bench, and it pretty much is a necessity. They will DL one of Jones or Kotsay, but no matter what happens to the roster now, one of them HAS to be left out come playoff time. That is, unless Ozzie dumps Castro and uses the next month to groom Lillibridge as the backup catcher.:redneck

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:15 PM
Sort of ironic that Pierre, Jones, and Ramirez might all end up on the same team while all getting playing time.

Jones' playing time significantly decreases with Manny. He would become a defensive replacement for Teahen/Quentin and that's it. No other need for him. Not that there was before with Teahen back.

Pablo_Honey
08-27-2010, 03:17 PM
Well, at least we now have a slugger who isn't just HR-or-nothing in our lineup beside Paulie. Can't hurt to have him.

Hitmen77
08-27-2010, 03:20 PM
KSPN saying deal done, Sox pick up most of rest of contract and LA gets PTBN

IF this is accurate, I wonder if they're considering Manny's no trade clause. The Sox and LA can have a deal done and Manny can still reject it (apparently he's asking for an extension?:dunno:)

Sockinchisox
08-27-2010, 03:20 PM
KSPN saying deal done, Sox pick up most of rest of contract and LA gets PTBN

When did they say this? I'm listening right now but im not hearing anything.

chisoxfanatic
08-27-2010, 03:20 PM
This is a great ballpark for him...I wonder if he'd be here next year.

stacksedwards
08-27-2010, 03:21 PM
Worst case he puts a few more butts in the seats the rest of the season.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 03:21 PM
I'm mixed on this one.

On the one hand, they FINALLY saw the moronic error of their ways, and got a ****ing DH.


On the other hand, they stupidly passed up an actual decent human being [apparently] AND a decent hitter who wanted to be here for LESS money, all while letting him play for our division rivals.


This organization continues to take desperate measures to erase stupid/expensive moves. There seems to be a lack of an overall strategy, IMO.
[/hijack]

OK, back to the assclown's love-fest, everybody!

I have no problem with letting Thome go. His back may not have held up as an everyday DH. What I do have a problem with was that we though Jones/Kotsay could fill in adquately. Still, we can't go back in time and have a good DH to start the year. The Sox are making the best move they can to fix the situation. I just hope it's not too late. 3.5 games is a lot to make up in a month.

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:21 PM
IF this is accurate, I wonder if they're considering Manny's no trade clause. The Sox and LA can have a deal done and Manny can still reject it (apparently he's asking for an extension?:dunno:)

Rosenthal shot that down this morning. Apprently, some people said he wanted an extension, others said he didn't.

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 03:21 PM
IF this is accurate, I wonder if they're considering Manny's no trade clause. The Sox and LA can have a deal done and Manny can still reject it (apparently he's asking for an extension?:dunno:)
No!!!! The NTC means jack. He is coming.

chisoxfanatic
08-27-2010, 03:26 PM
3.5 games is a lot to make up in a month.
Not when you have 3 games at home against that team and have had a 26-5 stretch at one point of this season. Manny could really help this team "click back in place."

I just wonder how Ozzie will react if he has to deal with "Manny being Manny." That could be some hilarious sound bytes, if he isn't already hilarious.

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:28 PM
I'm mixed on this one.

On the one hand, they FINALLY saw the moronic error of their ways, and got a ****ing DH.


On the other hand, they stupidly passed up an actual decent human being [apparently] AND a decent hitter who wanted to be here for LESS money, all while letting him play for our division rivals.

First off, they didn't FINALLY see anything. Kenny tried to acquire all of Matsui, Damon, and Dunn at some point. AGAIN, just because they said no to Thome does not mean they said no to EVERYONE.

Also, you need to let it go. Thome's not here. It's over and done with, and it's been that way for 6 months now.

cws05champ
08-27-2010, 03:29 PM
Manny's splits this season:

Vs RHP: .302/.399/.490
vs LHP: .348/.434/.587

as LF: .319 avg, .948 OPS
as DH (25 AB's): .360 avg, .887 OPS

Home(Dodger stadium): .286 avg, .910 OPS
Away: .333 avg, .928 OPS

He is your everyday DH...get it done!!!

Chez
08-27-2010, 03:29 PM
If the deal is done, then I suspect Lucas Harrell goes back to the minors until rosters expand. Sox can get through the next few days with 11 pitchers.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 03:30 PM
Not when you have 3 games at home against that team and have had a 26-5 stretch at one point of this season. Manny could really help this team "click back in place."

I just wonder how Ozzie will react if he has to deal with "Manny being Manny." That could be some hilarious sound bytes, if he isn't already hilarious.

I'm not saying its impossible, and 3 against the Twins helps, but it's still alot to make up in a month. It helps we are only 3 back in the loss column too.

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:30 PM
I have no problem with letting Thome go. His back may not have held up as an everyday DH. What I do have a problem with was that we though Jones/Kotsay could fill in adquately. Still, we can't go back in time and have a good DH to start the year. The Sox are making the best move they can to fix the situation. I just hope it's not too late. 3.5 games is a lot to make up in a month.

3.5 games is a lot to make up in a week, not in four. Especially with 3 left at home against the Twins. And I know they're only 5-10 against them, but almost every game was close.

mantis1212
08-27-2010, 03:31 PM
Manny's splits this season:

Vs RHP: .302/.399/.490
vs LHP: .348/.434/.587

as LF: .319 avg, .948 OPS
as DH (25 AB's): .360 avg, .887 OPS

Home(Dodger stadium): .286 avg, .910 OPS
Away: .333 avg, .928 OPS

He is your everyday DH...get it done!!!

That looks really nice- get it done!

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 03:32 PM
Maybe its a mis-understanding of the waiver deal system. However if the post about KSPN's report is accurate and its for a PTBNL would that mean its someone on the active roster and its too late to place him waivers or fearing a claim? If it was a simple prospect they can be dealt without clearing waivers correct?

DSpivack
08-27-2010, 03:34 PM
Maybe its a mis-understanding of the waiver deal system. However if the post about KSPN's report is accurate and its for a PTBNL would that mean its someone on the active roster and its too late to place him waivers or fearing a claim? If it was a simple prospect they can be dealt without clearing waivers correct?

If the PTBNL is on the 40 man, he has to clear waivers. If he's not on the 40 man, no problem.

Lorenzo Barcelo
08-27-2010, 03:34 PM
Maybe its a mis-understanding of the waiver deal system. However if the post about KSPN's report is accurate and its for a PTBNL would that mean its someone on the active roster and its too late to place him waivers or fearing a claim? If it was a simple prospect they can be dealt without clearing waivers correct?

PTBNL, I believe, could be a player from this year's draft that wouldn't be eligible for a trade yet.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 03:35 PM
3.5 games is a lot to make up in a week, not in four. Especially with 3 left at home against the Twins. And I know they're only 5-10 against them, but almost every game was close.
Add in a guy like Manny who lives for situations like that series will present it wouldn't surprise me to see him go 8-12, 4 hrs and 8 RBI's in that series.

cws05champ
08-27-2010, 03:35 PM
PTBNL, I believe, could be a player from this year's draft that wouldn't be eligible for a trade yet.

No, they could not deal someone from this years draft.

rowand33
08-27-2010, 03:35 PM
Any validity to the KSPN report?

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 03:36 PM
If the PTBNL is on the 40 man, he has to clear waivers. If he's not on the 40 man, no problem.

PTBNL, I believe, could be a player from this year's draft that wouldn't be eligible for a trade yet.
Ok thanks I wasn't really sure on that.

Lorenzo Barcelo
08-27-2010, 03:36 PM
No, they could not deal someone from this years draft.

Right, that's why he would be PTBNL.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 03:36 PM
3.5 games is a lot to make up in a week, not in four. Especially with 3 left at home against the Twins. And I know they're only 5-10 against them, but almost every game was close.

If you make up 3.5 games a month over the course of the year you beat them by 21 games or so.

It's a lot.

DSpivack
08-27-2010, 03:37 PM
Ok thanks I wasn't really sure on that.

What I'm not sure about is PTBNL. Are they rules against just saying it's for a PTBNL and completing the deal in the offseason?

TheOldRoman
08-27-2010, 03:38 PM
If you make up 3.5 games a month over the course of the year you beat them by 21 games or so.

It's a lot.We lost something like 5 or 6 games on the Twins in a week and a half. 3.5 in the span of a month is nothing.

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:39 PM
If you make up 3.5 games a month over the course of the year you beat them by 21 games or so.

It's a lot.

I guess we're arguing schematics here. Your original post made it seem like it was insurmountable.

I wouldn't consider it "a lot." It's something where you wish the roles were reversed, but I'll take my chances with it. Sox were 2.5 games ahead with 7 games left in 2008, ended up being tied.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 03:40 PM
If you make up 3.5 games a month over the course of the year you beat them by 21 games or so.

It's a lot.
Over 6 months yes its hard to out play a team by 4 games in all 6 months, however its not completely out of the realm of possibilities for you to out-play a team by 4 games in any 1 month. Especially when you add Manny Ramirez for that month.

hoosiersoxfan
08-27-2010, 03:41 PM
If you make up 3.5 games a month over the course of the year you beat them by 21 games or so.

It's a lot.

This is how I look at it. I don't think it is too much to ask for the Sox to pick up 1.5 games by the time they play the twins. That would put them at 2 games back. If the Sox can then win 2 of 3 that series they would only be a game back with a couple weeks left in the season. Winning the division is far from impossible.

cws05champ
08-27-2010, 03:42 PM
What I'm not sure about is PTBNL. Are they rules against just saying it's for a PTBNL and completing the deal in the offseason?
There are two rules to a PTBNL transaction. The deal must close within a six-month timeframe following the conclusion of the rest of the trade, and the player must change leagues.

Since draft picks can not be traded within a year of signing, these two rules work hand in hand. Therefore we can not trade anyone drafted in the 2010 draft.

It maybe a list of 5 or so players and the quality of the player could be conditional on other factors.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 03:42 PM
What I'm not sure about is PTBNL. Are they rules against just saying it's for a PTBNL and completing the deal in the offseason?
No that's why i'm wondering if the PTBNL will end up being Teahen or Lillibridge and becoming official in November or december when clearing waivers wouldn't be neccesary for those guys.

downstairs
08-27-2010, 03:42 PM
Right, that's why he would be PTBNL.

I'm curious why the PTBNL can be a 2010 draftee- where its against the rules to trade him today. But it cant be a 40-man roster guy, also against the rules to trade today (without waivers).

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 03:45 PM
This is how I look at it. I don't think it is too much to ask for the Sox to pick up 1.5 games by the time they play the twins. That would put them at 2 games back. If the Sox can then win 2 of 3 that series they would only be a game back with a couple weeks left in the season. Winning the division is far from impossible.

I didn't mean to give the impression I think it's impossible by any means. If Manny comes here and gets hot he alone could mean 2 more wins for us, which would be huge. I'm just stating that it's an uphil battle even with Manny, especially with the state of our pen. But hey, Minny has plenty of issues right now too.

I absolutely think its worth it for the Sox to bring on Manny at this point and make a run, I just hope its not too little too late.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 03:46 PM
I'm curious why the PTBNL can be a 2010 draftee- where its against the rules to trade him today. But it cant be a 40-man roster guy, also against the rules to trade today (without waivers).

I believe you can't trade a player until the one year anniversary of either his draft date or his signing. You can trade that player for nothing after that time period (as a PTBNL).

Streets
08-27-2010, 03:51 PM
Does Reinsy and the Sox still have the short hair policy in effect?

I really really hope so, and I hope he does not get an exemption from this policy.

Baggy pants and long braids is the absolute worst, most unprofessional and disgusting look for a baseball player.

Not trying to send this to the roadhouse, I'm just saying he needs to maintain a professional appearance.

hawkjt
08-27-2010, 03:52 PM
I didn't mean to give the impression I think it's impossible by any means. If Manny comes here and gets hot he alone could mean 2 more wins for us, which would be huge. I'm just stating that it's an uphil battle even with Manny, especially with the state of our pen. But hey, Minny has plenty of issues right now too.

I absolutely think its worth it for the Sox to bring on Manny at this point and make a run, I just hope its not too little too late.


What did the twins make up on the Tigers last year in the last week?
I think it was at least 2 games on the last weekend when the Sox swept the tigers,right?
The Twins play the Jays for their last 4 games,while the sox entertain the tigers. Sox could pick up 3.5 games in the last 4 days of the season. 5 weeks is a long time in a pennant race.

DSpivack
08-27-2010, 03:54 PM
Does Reinsy and the Sox still have the short hair policy in effect?

I really really hope so, and I hope he does not get an exemption from this policy.

Baggy pants and long braids is the absolute worst, most unprofessional and disgusting look for a baseball player.

Not trying to send this to the roadhouse, I'm just saying he needs to maintain a professional appearance.

Why? :scratch:

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 03:55 PM
Does Reinsy and the Sox still have the short hair policy in effect?

I really really hope so, and I hope he does not get an exemption from this policy.

Baggy pants and long braids is the absolute worst, most unprofessional and disgusting look for a baseball player.

Not trying to send this to the roadhouse, I'm just saying he needs to maintain a professional appearance.
If I were Manny and they were gonna make me cut my hair and wear tight fitting my pants I tell the Sox to go screw themselves.

jdm2662
08-27-2010, 03:56 PM
What did the twins make up on the Tigers last year in the last week?
I think it was at least 2 games on the last weekend when the Sox swept the tigers,right?
The Twins play the Jays for their last 4 games,while the sox entertain the tigers. Sox could pick up 3.5 games in the last 4 days of the season. 5 weeks is a long time in a pennant race.

The White Sox gained 14 games on the Twins in five weeks. In the six weeks after that, the Twins gained 9 on the Sox.

3.5 games with over a month is nothing.

oeo
08-27-2010, 03:56 PM
Does Reinsy and the Sox still have the short hair policy in effect?

I really really hope so, and I hope he does not get an exemption from this policy.

Baggy pants and long braids is the absolute worst, most unprofessional and disgusting look for a baseball player.

Not trying to send this to the roadhouse, I'm just saying he needs to maintain a professional appearance.

Reinsdorf does and had to speak up in 2006 when AJ and Crede's hair got a little "wild". It's obviously not clearly defined like the Yankees or anything. It's amazing that he won't allow long hair, but he will allow that thing on Jenks' chin, but who knows?

Whether he makes Manny cut his hair for one month, I guess we'll see. Ozzie already said that's not "his department".

hawkjt
08-27-2010, 03:56 PM
Does Reinsy and the Sox still have the short hair policy in effect?

I really really hope so, and I hope he does not get an exemption from this policy.

Baggy pants and long braids is the absolute worst, most unprofessional and disgusting look for a baseball player.

Not trying to send this to the roadhouse, I'm just saying he needs to maintain a professional appearance.


Its just hair,man. Damon had a full beard when the Red Sox won the world series. It is a perfectly natural occuring substance...hair. Jesus Christ looked unprofessional...but he managed to perform,allegedly.

It is also sports...entertainment. Fun time. Not serious time. I do not agree that hair is a detriment to having fun at the ballpark. Just me.

soltrain21
08-27-2010, 03:57 PM
If I were Manny and they were gonna make me cut my hair and wear tight fitting my pants I tell the Sox to go screw themselves.

I'm going to be insanely mad at the White Sox if this happens.

rdwj
08-27-2010, 03:57 PM
Not trying to send this to the roadhouse, I'm just saying he needs to maintain a professional appearance.

I'd rather have a professional hitter than a professional appearance.

He can wear a clown nose and a big multi-colored wig if he hits for all I care.

tebman
08-27-2010, 04:00 PM
I'd rather have a professional hitter than a professional appearance.

He can wear a clown nose and a big multi-colored wig if he hits for all I care.

http://www.aboutfacesentertainers.com/images/clowns/siefert_j_herbie/siefert_j_herbie3.jpg

chisoxfanatic
08-27-2010, 04:00 PM
Its just hair,man. Damon had a full beard when the Red Sox won the world series. It is a perfectly natural occuring substance...hair. Jesus Christ looked unprofessional...but he managed to perform,allegedly.

It is also sports...entertainment. Fun time. Not serious time. I do not agree that hair is a detriment to having fun at the ballpark. Just me.
I really LOVED Johnny Damon's long hair/beard look. In fact, I developed a nice crush on Damon partially because of it.

I wouldn't mind Manny keeping the dreadlocks...As long as he performed for us.

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 04:00 PM
I'd rather have a professional hitter than a professional appearance.

He can wear a clown nose and a big multi-colored wig if he hits for all I care.

I would rather have a producing steroid/hgh user than a non-porductive nonsteroid user.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 04:01 PM
What did the twins make up on the Tigers last year in the last week?
I think it was at least 2 games on the last weekend when the Sox swept the tigers,right?
The Twins play the Jays for their last 4 games,while the sox entertain the tigers. Sox could pick up 3.5 games in the last 4 days of the season. 5 weeks is a long time in a pennant race.

Again I never said it was impossible. You have to admit it's an uphill clime though given the state of our bullpen. Manny certainly improves our odds, but we just won our first series in over a month, against the worst tema in baseball, and people are citing our 26-5 record earlier this year as reason as to why 3.5 games "ain't no thang." OK.

FarmerAndy
08-27-2010, 04:01 PM
Baggy pants and long braids is the absolute worst, most unprofessional and disgusting look for a baseball player.

Not trying to send this to the roadhouse, I'm just saying he needs to maintain a professional appearance.

If he puts up the numbers and helps us win, I don't care if he wears shorts, Michael Jackson gloves, and an astronaut helmet.

hi im skot
08-27-2010, 04:02 PM
I'd rather have a professional hitter than a professional appearance.

He can wear a clown nose and a big multi-colored wig if he hits for all I care.

Don't give him any ideas.

Pablo_Honey
08-27-2010, 04:02 PM
I would rather have a producing steroid/hgh user than a non-porductive nonsteroid user.
Sadly, that's the kind of thinking that has plauged this sport to the point where we are at now. Anyway, the Sox are desparate to make the posteason so why not pick up a juicer?

harwar
08-27-2010, 04:04 PM
Does Reinsy and the Sox still have the short hair policy in effect?

I really really hope so, and I hope he does not get an exemption from this policy.

Baggy pants and long braids is the absolute worst, most unprofessional and disgusting look for a baseball player.


If the guy drives in runs and helps us win games then i'm fine with the braids .. i'm tired of leaving guys on 2nd or 3rd .. especially with our BP woes, we need a guy that knows how to drive in runs .. the guy is a professional hitter ..

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 04:05 PM
Jose Canseco played for this team. I think we've forfeitted the moral high ground on the steroid issue.

Streets
08-27-2010, 04:06 PM
Why? :scratch:

The hair is disgusting and dirty. Seriously. I can tolerate the baggy pants, but the hair, no.


Whether he makes Manny cut his hair for one month, I guess we'll see. Ozzie already said that's not "his department".

I'm going to be insanely mad at the White Sox if this happens.

Just like you hate that thing on Bobby's chin Soltrain, I can't stand the sight of those dirty dreads.

He's representing the club, if the image of the team is clean cut than he should have to maintain the image, no?

FarmerAndy
08-27-2010, 04:06 PM
Again I never said it was impossible. You have to admit it's an uphill clime though given the state of our bullpen. Manny certainly improves our odds, but we just won our first series in over a month, against the worst tema in baseball, and people are citing our 26-5 record earlier this year as reason as to why 3.5 games "ain't no thang." OK.

I agree with this, 100% Odds still favor the Twins.

I'm still hopeful..... but it's silly to think like it'll be a peice of cake to grab first place back.

harwar
08-27-2010, 04:07 PM
Sadly, that's the kind of thinking that has plauged this sport to the point where we are at now. Anyway, the Sox are desparate to make the posteason so why not pick up a juicer?

That (the steroid homerun thing) was used to get the fans back after the strike .. it has now run it's course and we are back to baseball the way it should be

cws05champ
08-27-2010, 04:07 PM
Its just hair,man. Damon had a full beard when the Red Sox won the world series. It is a perfectly natural occuring substance...hair. Jesus Christ looked unprofessional...but he managed to perform,allegedly.

It is also sports...entertainment. Fun time. Not serious time. I do not agree that hair is a detriment to having fun at the ballpark. Just me.

:rolling:
LOL!!!!!

soltrain21
08-27-2010, 04:08 PM
The hair is disgusting and dirty. Seriously. I can tolerate the baggy pants, but the hair, no.





Just like you hate that thing on Bobby's chin Soltrain, I can't stand the sight of those dirty dreads.

He's representing the club, if the image of the team is clean cut than he should have to maintain the image, no?

Well, it would be pretty hypocritical of the team to ALLOW Bobby to keep the dyed chin hair but make Manny cut his threads, I think.

He looks dumb, sure. But I don't think it reflects poorly on how the team is ran.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 04:09 PM
The hair is disgusting and dirty. Seriously. I can tolerate the baggy pants, but the hair, no.





Just like you hate that thing on Bobby's chin Soltrain, I can't stand the sight of those dirty dreads.

He's representing the club, if the image of the team is clean cut than he should have to maintain the image, no?
I AGREE! Manny is as disgusting as Bob Marley.........

FarmerAndy
08-27-2010, 04:12 PM
He's representing the club, if the image of the team is clean cut than he should have to maintain the image, no?

Personally, I prefer a winning image.

SSrep
08-27-2010, 04:13 PM
Well, it would be pretty hypocritical of the team to ALLOW Bobby to keep the dyed chin hair but make Manny cut his threads, I think.

He looks dumb, sure. But I don't think it reflects poorly on how the team is ran.

I completely agree...only waiting until September to get a DH does

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 04:13 PM
I AGREE! Manny is as disgusting as Bob Marley.........

http://theinsanityreport.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/whoopi-goldberg.jpg
ME TOO!

hi im skot
08-27-2010, 04:13 PM
I AGREE! Manny is as disgusting as Bob Marley.........

Uh...ok.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 04:14 PM
He's representing the club, if the image of the team is clean cut than he should have to maintain the image, no?

Who says the image of the team is "clean cut?" aisde from the countless rap stars and gang members that have adopted or cool mean "silver and black" look and don White Sox caps, we have plenty of players that have been far from clean cut.

Boone Logan's beard, Bobby Jenks, Kotsay never shaves, neither does Queintin. Hell John Kruk played here...you can't get any more disgusting and sloppy than that.

white sox bill
08-27-2010, 04:14 PM
Manny's locks just partially defines who he is. They don't bother me a bit. I remember the Oakland A's of the 70's era, most of them had long, shaggy hair complete with scrubby beards to match. And they kicked some major butt back then.

So he's a Bob Marley look alike. I love the concept of individuality. With all due respect to those who want him shaven, just hit the cover off the ball and I'll be happy. And win some games.

Streets
08-27-2010, 04:14 PM
Well, it would be pretty hypocritical of the team to ALLOW Bobby to keep the dyed chin hair but make Manny cut his threads, I think.

He looks dumb, sure. But I don't think it reflects poorly on how the team is ran.

Well I think Bobby should shave have to that thing as well, they obviously do not have a written policy on facial hair.


Just a lose, lose situation really.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-27-2010, 04:15 PM
I AGREE! Manny is as disgusting as Bob Marley.........Isn't there something against the rules here about what's happening?...

In baseball, all that matters is playing ability... and Manny is as sexy as it comes.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 04:15 PM
Uh...ok.
Implied teal...........

soltrain21
08-27-2010, 04:15 PM
Who says the image of the team is "clean cut?" aisde from the countless rap stars and gang members that have adopted or cool mean "silver and black" look and don White Sox caps, we have plenty of players that have been far from clean cut.

Boone Logan's beard, Bobby Jenks, Kotsay never shaves, neither does Queintin. Hell John Kruk played here...you can't get any more disgusting and sloppy than that.

We also have a manager who doesn't exactly follow a company line.

Noneck
08-27-2010, 04:15 PM
Pine tar dirty helmets bother me more than dyed chin pieces or long hair.

SSrep
08-27-2010, 04:17 PM
Well I think Bobby should shave have to that thing as well, they obviously do not have a written policy on facial hair.

As long as he ball hits the hard, I'll be happy

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 04:17 PM
I can see it now, “I thought I told you to trim those sideburns! You’re off the team! FOR GOOD!”

http://comeyoumastersofwar.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/mattingly.png

soxfanreggie
08-27-2010, 04:18 PM
As long as we're winning ballgames, I could care less about the hair he has. I think acquiring Manny would provide a much-needed jolt to this team to get us back in the race. If we're absorbing $4 million though, I don't want to see us send over any good talent.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 04:19 PM
Pine tar dirty helmets bother me more than dyed chin pieces or long hair.

You do realize there actually is a practical point of the pine tar helmet. Players have access to tar throughout an at-bat and don't have to put as much on the bat, keeping them lighter.

You don't have a problem with when players slide do you? It doesn't make their uniforms more unsightly.

This conversation is beyond ridiculous.

hi im skot
08-27-2010, 04:20 PM
For what it's worth:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/08/report-white-sox-no-longer-favorite-to-land-manny-ramirez.html

Nellie_Fox
08-27-2010, 04:20 PM
I'm going to be insanely mad at the White Sox if this happens.And I will be insanely mad if they allow him to do something they don't allow other players to do. They made AJ and Crede cut their hair. It would just be another example of how Manny is all about Manny, and nothing but Manny.

I would rather have a producing steroid/hgh user than a non-porductive nonsteroid user.Nice.

Lip Man 1
08-27-2010, 04:21 PM
I'm all for the Sox taking a shot on anybody and everybody that might be able to contribute the final month.

The last two years the division has needed an extra game...one win, one at bat, one good relief appearance could make all the difference in the world.

I hope they work out a deal AND I hope they can pick up a relief pitcher to boot.

Lip

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 04:23 PM
I can see it now, “I thought I told you to trim those sideburns! You’re off the team! FOR GOOD!”

http://comeyoumastersofwar.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/mattingly.png

Nice. This thread has also made me think of the Abe Simpson's reaction to Joe Namath:

Look at them sideburns! He looks like a girl. Now, Johnny
Unitas -- there's a haircut you could set your watch to.

thomas35forever
08-27-2010, 04:23 PM
For what it's worth:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/08/report-white-sox-no-longer-favorite-to-land-manny-ramirez.html
Guess he won't see the Yankees this weekend.

harwar
08-27-2010, 04:25 PM
Omar and Manny back together again .. this is just what we need to go on another run ..

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 04:25 PM
For what it's worth:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/08/report-white-sox-no-longer-favorite-to-land-manny-ramirez.html

Go Rockies.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 04:28 PM
And I will be insanely mad if they allow him to do something they don't allow other players to do. They made AJ and Crede cut their hair. It would just be another example of how Manny is all about Manny, and nothing but Manny.

Nice.
Most times I would agree with you however he didn't sign with the Sox with a Sox contract. He was traded here. If there is nothing in the contract limiting his appearance then when the Sox assume the contract they should also assume whats not in the contract.

dickallen15
08-27-2010, 04:28 PM
I'm all for the Sox taking a shot on anybody and everybody that might be able to contribute the final month.

The last two years the division has needed an extra game...one win, one at bat, one good relief appearance could make all the difference in the world.

I hope they work out a deal AND I hope they can pick up a relief pitcher to boot.

Lip

Lip,
The head to heads with Minnesota is what is killing this team. If Jenks doesn't blow a huge lead in the 9th, and Thornton closes out the game the Sox were leading in the 10th in 2 of their losses to the Twins, guess who's in first place right now? 5-10 against Minnesota is unacceptable. If they were 10-5, this "race" would be ova.

Noneck
08-27-2010, 04:29 PM
Players have access to tar throughout an at-bat and don't have to put as much on the bat, keeping them lighter.



Pine Tar can be put on a helmet if one finds the need for it but it doesnt have to be so ridiculous where your teams emblem is not seen. Look at the difference between M. Ramirez helmet and Thomes.

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 04:29 PM
Omar and Manny back together again .. this is just what we need to go on another run ..
What is Travis Fryman and Jose Mesa up to these days........:D::tongue:

thomas35forever
08-27-2010, 04:29 PM
What is Travis Fryman and Jose Mesa up to these days........:D::tongue:
Or even...

Forget it. I won't say his name for fear of causing another debate about him.

dickallen15
08-27-2010, 04:30 PM
Most times I would agree with you however he didn't sign with the Sox with a Sox contract. He was traded here. If there is nothing in the contract limiting his appearance then when the Sox assume the contract they should also assume whats not in the contract.
The Yankees make you cut your hair and shave off everything but a mustache on your face. I don't see where cutting his hair should be that big of a deal. Its probably mostly fake anyway.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-27-2010, 04:31 PM
For what it's worth:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/08/report-white-sox-no-longer-favorite-to-land-manny-ramirez.htmlThis deal might not even be usefull now because the Sox could be out of it by Tuesday. Three against the Yankees while the Twins get a walk in the park. All we can do is hope a lot goes right before Tuesday and LA makes the trade to a team that's still in a close race.

This must be kind of frustrating for KW.

harwar
08-27-2010, 04:31 PM
Go Rockies.
The dodgers have won 3 in a row but the rockies have won 4 .. the rockies may win tonight because they have their ace going but realistically the dodgers are done .. they are 11 back in the division race and 5 back in the wild card with 4 teams in front of them .. the ownership is a mess .. they should be happy to send Manny to us ..

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 04:31 PM
Or even...

Forget it. I won't say his name for fear of causing another debate about him.
Hmmmmmm. Thome? Belle? Alomar 1? Alomar 2? Or dare I say Kenny Lofton? You're not thinking Carlos Baerga are you?

getonbckthr
08-27-2010, 04:32 PM
The Yankees make you cut your hair and shave off everything but a mustache on your face. I don't see where cutting his hair should be that big of a deal. Its probably mostly fake anyway.
If he doesn't want to he shouldn't have to.
This deal might not even be usefull now because the Sox could be out of it by Tuesday. Three against the Yankees while the Twins get a walk in the park. All we can do is hope a lot goes right before Tuesday and LA makes the trade to a team that's still in a close race.
It doesn't matter what the Sox do they can't pull thier claim back.

thomas35forever
08-27-2010, 04:33 PM
Hmmmmmm. Thome? Belle? Alomar 1? Alomar 2? Or dare I say Kenny Lofton? You're not thinking Carlos Baerga are you?
So close, but the answer I'm looking for is Charles Nagy.

dickallen15
08-27-2010, 04:33 PM
The dodgers have won 3 in a row but the rockies have won 4 .. they may win tonight because they have their ace going but realistically they are done .. they are 11 back in the division race and 5 back in the wild card with 4 teams in front of them .. the ownership is a mess .. they should be happy to send Manny to us ..
By the end of the negotiating period they may be closer to the playoffs than the Sox. Dumping Manny could be considered a White flag surrender and if they are only 3 or 4 out at that point, we know how much that can cost a franchise in the long run. I would say if you love Manny, you want the Dodgers to get pummelled this weekend.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 04:33 PM
Pine Tar can be put on a helmet if one finds the need for it but it doesnt have to be so ridiculous where your teams emblem is not seen. Look at the difference between M. Ramirez helmet and Thomes.

You are grasping at straws here now.

I've never head anyone complain about Will Clark or Craig Biggio's appearance before and they did the same thing.

Stoky44
08-27-2010, 04:35 PM
Omar and Manny back together again .. this is just what we need to go on another run ..

Sandy and Roberto Alomar, please dial 5515, Kenny Williams on the phone

Tragg
08-27-2010, 04:36 PM
Salary only.
No talent should go the Dodgers' way.
NONE for a 4 week rent of this guy when were 3.5 games back.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-27-2010, 04:36 PM
It doesn't matter what the Sox do they can't pull thier claim back.They would get him still, but it might not be "useful", considering it would be tough for one guy to bring a team back 5.5 or 6.5 games in second...

The Sox could always not offer a player to trade, which might cause LA to not accept.

dickallen15
08-27-2010, 04:40 PM
According to the Tribune, nothing will go down this weekend.

Domeshot17
08-27-2010, 04:44 PM
They did this on the radio:

C Alomar JR
1b *completely drawing a blank* Julio Franco Maybe
2b Alomar
SS Omar
3b Thome
OF Belle Lofton Manny
P Colon

The Sox quest to be the 1990s Indians is complete!

SOXSINCE'70
08-27-2010, 04:47 PM
Hmmmmmm. Thome? Belle? Alomar 1? Alomar 2? Or dare I say Kenny Lofton? You're not thinking Carlos Baerga are you?

Alvaro Espinoza?? Cory Snyder??:roflmao:

khan
08-27-2010, 04:47 PM
First off, they didn't FINALLY see anything. Kenny tried to acquire all of Matsui, Damon, and Dunn at some point. AGAIN, just because they said no to Thome does not mean they said no to EVERYONE.
Do you honestly believe that the SOX had a chance at any of these guys? I didn't, and it didn't surprise me that they didn't end up here.

Also, you need to let it go. Thome's not here. It's over and done with, and it's been that way for 6 months now.
Look, it's about two things:

1. Value, and the apparent lack of understanding of it by the front office, and

2. Not understanding that there was a huge hole in the team that was highly unlikely to be filled mid-season, due to the denuded minor league system.


I'm more about the Thome decision being about the organization's brazen foolishness than anything else. Apparently, KW/OG thought otherwise, and were proven wrong. If we can see this as fans, IMO, it speaks ill of the organization's decision making.

ND_Sox_Fan
08-27-2010, 04:47 PM
They did this on the radio:

C Alomar JR
1b *completely drawing a blank* Julio Franco Maybe
2b Alomar
SS Omar
3b Thome
OF Belle Lofton Manny
P Colon

The Sox quest to be the 1990 Indians is complete!

If you are referring to 1995, their 1B was Paul Sorrento.

Noneck
08-27-2010, 04:52 PM
You are grasping at straws here now.



Not I am not. Some have strong feelings about the meaning of a uniform and the insignia of the employer you represent and some don't. I do, you obviously dont, so end of discussion

jdm2662
08-27-2010, 04:54 PM
They did this on the radio:

C Alomar JR
1b *completely drawing a blank* Julio Franco Maybe
2b Alomar
SS Omar
3b Thome
OF Belle Lofton Manny
P Colon

The Sox quest to be the 1990 Indians is complete!

Ha, too bad Omar was on the Mariners in 1990 and Alomar I think was still with the Padres... But, point taken.

TheOldRoman
08-27-2010, 04:59 PM
I am going to call BS on the report claiming the two teams are going to put talks on hold until Monday. No way Kenny isn't calling Coletti every hour. They might not work it out until Monday, but I can promise they will be talking,

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 05:00 PM
Not I am not. Some have strong feelings about the meaning of a uniform and the insignia of the employer you represent and some don't. I do, you obviously dont, so end of discussion

Please don't tell me how I feel about an issue. I'm sorry that I don't apply business standards of appearance to a baseball field. Who cares what a player looks like if he's performing. If you do care, your priorities are completely out of whack.

Let's be honest with ourselves here, how sacred is the White Sox logo when it's been changed about 50 times over the course of their history.

I for one think the Sox should impose a no sliding rule. Doing so may cause grass stains and dirt to go over the White Sox logo. Sure, this may result in some doubles that would have been outs and may make it difficult for Jaun Pierre to steal bases, but at least the White Sox totem will remain in tact.

The Blackhawks have one of the most respected and oldest uniforms in sports. Yet, no one complained when 90% of their team grew "playoff beards." It did not taint their championship at all. No one is demanding Jonathan Toews be traded because he looked like Wolverine for 2 months last year.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 05:03 PM
I am going to call BS on the report claiming the two teams are going to put talks on hold until Monday. No way Kenny isn't calling Coletti every hour. They might not work it out until Monday, but I can promise they will be talking,

I would assume they'll keep talking but I think it's reasonable that they wait to decide until Tuesday. The Dodgers think they are still in the race (Baseball Prospectus puts their playoff odds at 3.5%) and as long as they feel like that no trade will happen. If the Rockies take this weekend series that can change quickly.

Domeshot17
08-27-2010, 05:05 PM
sorry guys, typing fast at work busy here, meant 1990s, not 1990

dickallen15
08-27-2010, 05:06 PM
I am going to call BS on the report claiming the two teams are going to put talks on hold until Monday. No way Kenny isn't calling Coletti every hour. They might not work it out until Monday, but I can promise they will be talking,


I'm sure the Dodgers want to see where they are at after this series. What if they are 3 out of the playoffs? I think the deal has been agreed to whatever it is, in fact, the Sox probably have given them a couple of options, depending on the cash they pick up, its just up to LA to pull the trigger,and that probably has more to do with where they are in the standings more than anything else.

A good question is what if Manny comes up lame this weekend? I think the Sox would still be on the hook if LA wanted to dump him, however, professional courtesy should prevail, especially since these teams share a spring training home.

UofCSoxFan
08-27-2010, 05:11 PM
A good question is what if Manny comes up lame this weekend? I think the Sox would still be on the hook if LA wanted to dump him, however, professional courtesy should prevail, especially since these teams share a spring training home.

Sox would still be on the hook but as you stated professionalism would win out here, assuming Colletti ever wants to do business with the Sox again.

The Dodgers assistant GM also got her start in the White Sox orgainization so I don't see them screwing us over like that.

Harry Chappas
08-27-2010, 05:23 PM
Personally, I prefer a winning image.

I was skimming this thread looking for WSI posters' opinions on adding Manny the player. I'm shocked at all of the consternation over his hair!

Personally, I kind of like it and if I wasn't a 40-year old white guy suffering from male pattern balding, I might be rocking dreads too.

manders_01
08-27-2010, 05:27 PM
Does Reinsy and the Sox still have the short hair policy in effect?

I really really hope so, and I hope he does not get an exemption from this policy.

Baggy pants and long braids is the absolute worst, most unprofessional and disgusting look for a baseball player.

Not trying to send this to the roadhouse, I'm just saying he needs to maintain a professional appearance.

I don't like Manny's hair AT ALL and I do think if there is a team policy, he should absolutely be made to cut it. But if there's not, it his decision to look like a complete tool.

HOWEVER, the fact that he has a problem keeping his helmet on while running the bases because of his hair is an issue. Not only does he think about it while running (see hand on helmet to prevent it from coming off) and is therefore not 100% focused on running the bases smartly but the fielders should not have to worry about a hazard on the playing field while trying to defend a play. If that means thinning the dreads out or full on cut, that is what needs to happen.

For what it's worth:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/08/report-white-sox-no-longer-favorite-to-land-manny-ramirez.html

So everyone will be cheering for the Rockies this weekend? I like it! :thumbsup:

I've got lunch at my fave restaurant riding on our series though so don't forget about the Sox! :wink: :redneck

Go Rockies.

:bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

Coops4Aces
08-27-2010, 05:28 PM
This deal might not even be usefull now because the Sox could be out of it by Tuesday. Three against the Yankees while the Twins get a walk in the park. All we can do is hope a lot goes right before Tuesday and LA makes the trade to a team that's still in a close race.

This must be kind of frustrating for KW.

At Seattle is never a walk in the park. It's a trip to the west coast after playing 4 games in the Texas heat, they could be tired. And Seattle has good pitching, just abysmal offense.

ZombieRob
08-27-2010, 05:36 PM
I was skimming this thread looking for WSI posters' opinions on adding Manny the player. I'm shocked at all of the consternation over his hair!

Personally, I kind of like it and if I wasn't a 40-year old white guy suffering from male pattern balding, I might be rocking dreads too.
Remember, Most Sox fans are borderline paranoid. From beat writers to dreadlocks. :D:

ZombieRob
08-27-2010, 05:38 PM
They did this on the radio:

C Alomar JR
1b *completely drawing a blank* Julio Franco Maybe
2b Alomar
SS Omar
3b Thome
OF Belle Lofton Manny
P Colon

The Sox quest to be the 1990s Indians is complete!
Wasn't the lefty reliever Cook with the Tribe before the Sox or was that afterwards?

russ99
08-27-2010, 05:38 PM
Do you honestly believe that the SOX had a chance at any of these guys? I didn't, and it didn't surprise me that they didn't end up here.

Look, it's about two things:

1. Value, and the apparent lack of understanding of it by the front office, and

2. Not understanding that there was a huge hole in the team that was highly unlikely to be filled mid-season, due to the denuded minor league system.

I'm more about the Thome decision being about the organization's brazen foolishness than anything else. Apparently, KW/OG thought otherwise, and were proven wrong. If we can see this as fans, IMO, it speaks ill of the organization's decision making.

Sorry, but I disagree. Thome's now 40, and he had chronic injury problems that affected his performance at the plate last summer. The Sox made a baseball decision not to bring Thome back, plain and simple.

Even the Twins didn't foresee this kind of year from him. It's sure easy to say this was "brazen foolishness" in hindsight after Thome puts up slightly below average numbers this season.

And as far as the hole left by Thome, that was a budgetary issue. There's a reason the Sox didn't sign Matsui or Damon and that's because they couldn't afford the asking price, and from what I understand they lowballed both of them.

The decision at the time was to stick with Jones/Kotsay and take a chance they hit to their career averages (which didn't happen) or spend $1-2M for a minimal upgrade.

That's not to say I agree with it, especially in light of the Sox finding an extra $5-6M this summer to pay the rest of Jackson and Manny's salaries.

ZombieRob
08-27-2010, 05:42 PM
Please don't tell me how I feel about an issue. I'm sorry that I don't apply business standards of appearance to a baseball field. Who cares what a player looks like if he's performing. If you do care, your priorities are completely out of whack.

Let's be honest with ourselves here, how sacred is the White Sox logo when it's been changed about 50 times over the course of their history.

I for one think the Sox should impose a no sliding rule. Doing so may cause grass stains and dirt to go over the White Sox logo. Sure, this may result in some doubles that would have been outs and may make it difficult for Jaun Pierre to steal bases, but at least the White Sox totem will remain in tact.

The Blackhawks have one of the most respected and oldest uniforms in sports. Yet, no one complained when 90% of their team grew "playoff beards." It did not taint their championship at all. No one is demanding Jonathan Toews be traded because he looked like Wolverine for 2 months last year.
Great points. Also like to add Dennis Rodman with his stupid antics, but he produced and fans adored him. Was he any less of a tool prior to coming to the Bulls than Manny would be if he came to the Sox?

Sunnydre
08-27-2010, 05:47 PM
Are people in here actually hating on his hair?

**Puts on Signs by Tesla.**

Madvora
08-27-2010, 05:50 PM
And you know this to be a fact? I'm inclined to believe that MOST people DON"T like Manny and his "me first, last and always" act.
You're reading this wrong. Hi im skot was replying to my post where I said most people here don't like Ramirez.

GoGoCrede
08-27-2010, 05:54 PM
Just got home, WOW I have a lot to catch up on. Yaaaay! :bandance:

KenBerryGrab
08-27-2010, 05:56 PM
You don't argue with the OPS.

Madvora
08-27-2010, 05:57 PM
I just realized something. Hawk is going to gush over Manny Ramirez twice as much as he did over Crede, Johan Santana and Mark Grudzielanek combined.

WSox597
08-27-2010, 05:57 PM
They did this on the radio:

C Alomar JR
1b *completely drawing a blank* Julio Franco Maybe
2b Alomar
SS Omar
3b Thome
OF Belle Lofton Manny
P Colon

The Sox quest to be the 1990s Indians is complete!

How many World Series did those teams win?

LOL

whitem0nkey
08-27-2010, 06:02 PM
lots of haircists in here

SoxandtheCityTee
08-27-2010, 06:06 PM
**Puts on Signs by Tesla.**

Just curious, is that a cover of the Five Man Electrical Band song?

So I pulled off my hat, I said imagine that
Me, working for you . . .

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-27-2010, 06:09 PM
So what's going on? Do the Sox have Manny?

Rocky Soprano
08-27-2010, 06:12 PM
So what's going on? Do the Sox have Manny?

He's in the lineup tonight! :bandance:

Craig Grebeck
08-27-2010, 06:15 PM
Sorry, but I disagree. Thome's now 40, and he had chronic injury problems that affected his performance at the plate last summer. The Sox made a baseball decision not to bring Thome back, plain and simple.

Even the Twins didn't foresee this kind of year from him. It's sure easy to say this was "brazen foolishness" in hindsight after Thome puts up slightly below average numbers this season.

And as far as the hole left by Thome, that was a budgetary issue. There's a reason the Sox didn't sign Matsui or Damon and that's because they couldn't afford the asking price, and from what I understand they lowballed both of them.

The decision at the time was to stick with Jones/Kotsay and take a chance they hit to their career averages (which didn't happen) or spend $1-2M for a minimal upgrade.

That's not to say I agree with it, especially in light of the Sox finding an extra $5-6M this summer to pay the rest of Jackson and Manny's salaries.
.268/.392/.580

Stop it. You're lying. Just like when you said Mark Teahen spent "years playing second base."

ndgt10
08-27-2010, 06:19 PM
It's simple...

If after this weekend we are 5.5+ out, there is no way we deal for him.

If we're 4.5 out max, we go for him.

khan
08-27-2010, 06:21 PM
Sorry, but I disagree. Thome's now 40, and he had chronic injury problems that affected his performance at the plate last summer. The Sox made a baseball decision not to bring Thome back, plain and simple.
Yes, I know you "HAVE TO" defend the organization at every turn. But let's see if you'll actually reply to the query which has been posed to you many times or not:

If you're going to post about supposed chronic injury problems of Thome, what about those of Kotsay? Have you looked at HIS injury history?

Even the Twins didn't foresee this kind of year from him. It's sure easy to say this was "brazen foolishness" in hindsight after Thome puts up slightly below average numbers this season.
This is BS, and you should be well aware that I [and many others] posted about this BEFORE the season. So don't BS us about "hindsight" here. Thome was plenty good v. RHP last season. I've stated many times [just ask oeo] BEFORE and DURING the season that Thome, at the price, was IDEAL for this team.

And as far as the hole left by Thome, that was a budgetary issue. There's a reason the Sox didn't sign Matsui or Damon and that's because they couldn't afford the asking price, and from what I understand they lowballed both of them.
So they had $1.5M for Kotsay, but not the VERY SAME $1.5M for Thome? Explain your tortured spinning of this conundrum.

The decision at the time was to stick with Jones/Kotsay and take a chance they hit to their career averages (which didn't happen) or spend $1-2M for a minimal upgrade.
Actually, KW also gave Ozzie the option to agree to re-sign Thome. Remember SoxFest? [I'm sure you'll pretend not to remember it, though...]

That's not to say I agree with it, especially in light of the Sox finding an extra $5-6M this summer to pay the rest of Jackson and Manny's salaries.
And yet, you're less critical than even Ranger. Odd.

What's even MORE odd is that it is well-known that Thome was available for the same $1.5M wasted on Kotsay, and as you said, millions have since been wasted, YET:

You speak of a "budgetary issue."


Again, I'll have to call this tortured line of reasoning on your part "BS."

JermaineDye05
08-27-2010, 06:24 PM
He's in the lineup tonight! :bandance:

:tealpolice:

Jurr
08-27-2010, 06:26 PM
:tealpolice:

That would actually be pink, I believe.

DSpivack
08-27-2010, 06:27 PM
That would actually be pink, I believe.

What do you get when you combine teal and pink?

Sockinchisox
08-27-2010, 06:28 PM
FWIW Manny is not in the Dodgers lineup tonight.

Jurr
08-27-2010, 06:28 PM
What do you get when you combine teal and pink?

Probably some weird brow....ha.....that's good.