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Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2010, 10:36 PM
Disgust...

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-21-2010, 10:37 PM
That was ****ing unbearable :angry:

soltrain21
08-21-2010, 10:37 PM
Not the way I wanted to see it started.

Viva Medias B's
08-21-2010, 10:37 PM
I'm verklempt!!!

SoxSpeed22
08-21-2010, 10:37 PM
The worst possible outcome we could've asked for happened. We better hope Pena can go at least 5, which might be asking too much.

soxfanatlanta
08-21-2010, 10:37 PM
This bullpen is useless.

LITTLE NELL
08-21-2010, 10:37 PM
After the grand slam, you saw it coming, just a matter of time and innings.

bridgeportcopper
08-21-2010, 10:38 PM
****!!!!

Rohan
08-21-2010, 10:38 PM
The worst possible outcome we could've asked for happened. We better hope Pena can go at least 5, which might be asking too much.

I'm more than a little concerned about game 2.

vinny
08-21-2010, 10:38 PM
Nevermind. Mods, please delete.

A. Cavatica
08-21-2010, 10:38 PM
I would not mind if the rest of the games were played in the wee small hours. I don't want to have to confront the reality of this team.

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:38 PM
Our bullpen sucks. Sale looked great. We might have lost this game anyways, but by having to keep Freddy out there longer than we would have liked we REALLY did ourselves in. Horrible.

arKnaD7
08-21-2010, 10:38 PM
Absolute worst case scenario :angry:

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2010, 10:38 PM
This bullpen is useless.

Chris Sale was really good.

Rios had a terrible night. He needs a few days off.

Jenks is done.

delben91
08-21-2010, 10:39 PM
Brutal. Is it wrong to worry about Pena making it past the 3rd?

Getting swept tonight by the Royals with Grienke going tomorrow? I don't even want to think about it.

So much for carry-over from the last game of the Twins series.

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:39 PM
The worst possible outcome we could've asked for happened. We better hope Pena can go at least 5, which might be asking too much.

Yea, it is hard to script a worse possible outcome for the Sox.

The Immigrant
08-21-2010, 10:39 PM
After the Lillibridge/Cox blunder, you knew it was only a matter of time...

I think that's five walk-off losses in the last month. Two at Minnesota, one at Seattle, one at Baltimore, and now one at Kansas City. Yuck.

LITTLE NELL
08-21-2010, 10:39 PM
Good news is down here in Florida I won't get the 2nd game on TV.

stevied23
08-21-2010, 10:40 PM
What more is there to say?!? Lets go Sox in 2011!!!

Jollyroger2
08-21-2010, 10:40 PM
This bullpen is useless.

Oh thats crazy talk!!! We were playing the Royals!! Don't you know they have an impossibly powerful offense?

We are silly, silly people to expect that this team can hold a multiple run lead in the late innings, even against such a team with a murderers row lineup like KC.

Tonights walk-off, as expected, took three innings. Not only did the suckable pen blow another game, but they ate up innings that will be badly needed in the next 24 hrs.

Ahhhh who's ready for some more bad baseball? LOL.

ike from nj
08-21-2010, 10:40 PM
Chris Sale was really good.

Rios had a terrible night. He needs a few days off.

Jenks is done.

Jenks has been done for a while. You could see this coming for years.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
08-21-2010, 10:40 PM
2010 White Sox: No Lead Is Safe!

God, how many times can this team break its fan's hearts in a week's time? This is ridiculous!

Sunnydre
08-21-2010, 10:40 PM
The Royals are our daddies.

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2010, 10:40 PM
I'd like to put Joe West in a vat up to his neck in manure, and shoot vomit at him through a fire hose.

soxinem1
08-21-2010, 10:40 PM
Could have gained a game and a half on MIN. Now we'd be lucky to get .5

soltrain21
08-21-2010, 10:41 PM
I'd like to put Joe West in a vat up to his neck in manure, and shoot vomit at him through a fire hose.

Royals went through the same situation we did. Still have to win games.

ChiSoxGal85
08-21-2010, 10:42 PM
No guts, no glory = 2010 Sox.

I left to walk the dogs after the baserunning fiasco via Lillibridge/Cox. I have little faith that the Sox can pull out a win in a close game any more.

Uncontested
08-21-2010, 10:42 PM
And I'm sure bobby white knights will come to the rescue after he blows another game for us.

Nelfox02
08-21-2010, 10:42 PM
just not meant to be guys sorry

I mean, a 5-1 lead, 7th, I wont lie I was actually surpised we blew it.....well I will never say never again no way

So, time machine, after the disgusting series in Baltimore that really started the sinking of th SS Chisox 2010 for good, did anyone expect that a terrible bullpen would be the key to our complete undoing over the ensuing 2 weeks? Dont get me wrong, we ve had some **** starting pitching mixed in there too.....but wow

Well, I give this team credit, they find new and exciting ways to dissapoint nearly every August/September......just when you think an imcomplete offense will spell your doom the bullpen decides to show you how quickly blown late leads/save can devastate a team

delben91
08-21-2010, 10:42 PM
Could have gained a game and a half on MIN. Now we'd be lucky to get .5

Heck, at this rate they may be lucky to be just single digits behind by the end of August. Even if the starters and offense perform, there's still a high probability the Sox lose.

Soxman219
08-21-2010, 10:42 PM
We're going to lose ground tonight. This is ridiculous.:angry:

cheezheadsoxfan
08-21-2010, 10:42 PM
I can't stand to watch another walkoff. I think I'll go to sleep.:angry:

LoveYourSuit
08-21-2010, 10:43 PM
We had a chance to score about 7-8 runs tonight. 5 runs from this offense is a pathetic shame.

They make every staff look like the 97 Braves.

Pathetic.

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:43 PM
I'd like to put Joe West in a vat up to his neck in manure, and shoot vomit at him through a fire hose.

He'd eat his way out. Seriously, he had a direct impact on this game. We had to leave Freddy in there longer than we wanted and had to be careful with who we could use and now are going to be counting on Pena to go deep. I hope he gets a share of the Twins playoff salaries, he is not the sole cause of our loss but he helped a lot.

Crestani
08-21-2010, 10:43 PM
I am at a loss for words..!!:whiteflag:

Mizzourah
08-21-2010, 10:43 PM
I do not know what ozzie is doing anymore. It is more an exercise to prove his genius. Why pitch to betancourt? Why Jenks there?

A. Cavatica
08-21-2010, 10:43 PM
The good news is Kenny got a chance to scout acquisitions for next year's bullpen.

LoveYourSuit
08-21-2010, 10:44 PM
The Royals are our daddies.


The AL Central as a whole.

Can't win the division if you can't beat it.

Crestani
08-21-2010, 10:44 PM
I can't stand to watch another walkoff. I think I'll go to sleep.:angry:


How can any Sox fan sleep after that ****..??

nccwsfan
08-21-2010, 10:44 PM
Chris Sale was really good.

Rios had a terrible night. He needs a few days off.

Jenks is done.

+1; Sale was impressive tonight and that's encouraging, but this bullpen has been BRUTAL over the last 1 1/2 weeks!

Nelfox02
08-21-2010, 10:45 PM
Could have gained a game and a half on MIN. Now we'd be lucky to get .5


even if they win the second game, tough to say its a gain of a .5 since Minn put that on us last night, I mean technically yes its a gain but look at it more of just holding serve, staying at the 4 back we started the weekend at, but with 2 days now shaved off the calender.....

Dick Allen
08-21-2010, 10:45 PM
Yep, can't wait for that second game. **** me.:angry::angry:

RadioheadRocks
08-21-2010, 10:45 PM
This bullpen is useless.


The way things have gone lately I'm sure they'll find suitable employment in the gift wrapping department at Nordstrom's this holiday season.

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:45 PM
I do not know what ozzie is doing anymore. It is more an exercise to prove his genius. Why pitch to betancourt? Why Jenks there?

Jenks was out there because Sale was gassed and of late Sale is the only guy worth a damn in the pen. No one out there can be trusted. Maybe Thornton, but anyone you use now you lose for game 2.

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2010, 10:45 PM
Royals went through the same situation we did. Still have to win games.

Yes, but it screwed us out of being able to use a really good starter. And the Royals aren't exactly in a playoff race. We are. Or were.

Crestani
08-21-2010, 10:45 PM
Bobby Jenks is useless at this stage of his career IMO.

manders_01
08-21-2010, 10:46 PM
Totally sucks that before a game even starts, we don't have the momentum. :angry:

Here's to the Sox playing like they did on Thursday. :gulp:

LoveYourSuit
08-21-2010, 10:46 PM
Championship teams are teams that can hold leads late and can score runs beyond the 7th inning.

We do neither.

soltrain21
08-21-2010, 10:46 PM
Yes, but it screwed us out of being able to use a really good starter. And the Royals aren't exactly in a playoff race. We are. Or were.

Which means we should be better than them.

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:47 PM
Yes, but it screwed us out of being able to use a really good starter. And the Royals aren't exactly in a playoff race. We are. Or were.

We don't do well in double headers against KC in playoff races. At least in '67 it was a camera well that did us in. This time it was Joe West and a ****ty bullpen.

Tragg
08-21-2010, 10:47 PM
Another loss because of rinky dink bull****.

Poor execution. This team wastes a ton of opportunities to score runs. If it were football it would be called "poorly coached"

The pitching is obviously wearing down...

JB98
08-21-2010, 10:47 PM
Remember the pre-June 8 White Sox? They're back.

This team hasn't won back-to-back games since Aug. 5. This team has also put on a clinic in losing to bad teams this year.

whitesoxfan
08-21-2010, 10:48 PM
Stop blaming Joe West. The Royals were dealt with the same hand as we were.

The bullpen all just decided to collectively die at the same time, which really hurts. They were the guys that got us back in the race and now they're dousing us with gasoline.

Brian26
08-21-2010, 10:48 PM
Worst case scenario unfolding pretty quickly here.

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2010, 10:48 PM
Which means we should be better than them.

I'm not blaming Joe West for the Sox losing. The Sox lost this game.

But Joe West's biased, belligerent ineptitude made it harder for the Sox to win.

Sunnydre
08-21-2010, 10:48 PM
Only the Yanke, Red Sox, and Tigers have a higher payroll, among al teams......


ozzie has to go.

hangwithem
08-21-2010, 10:49 PM
I guess the Sox really could have used Slugger Jim tonight, right? Five runs against the Royals has to be enough. Has to be enough. Has to be enough. :whiner:

cheezheadsoxfan
08-21-2010, 10:49 PM
How can any Sox fan sleep after that ****..??

Good point. God, am I pissed. At our bullpen, at Joe West, at Cox and Lillibridge and the whole damn team.

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2010, 10:49 PM
Remember the pre-June 8 White Sox? They're back.

This team hasn't won back-to-back games since Aug. 5. This team has also put on a clinic in losing to bad teams this year.

Hey, but we beat the crap out of NL teams! Let's go have ice cream!

:angry:

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:50 PM
Stop blaming Joe West. The Royals were dealt with the same hand as we were.

The bullpen all just decided to collectively die at the same time, which really hurts. They were the guys that got us back in the race and now they're dousing us with gasoline.

The Royals aren't in a playoff race are they? Even if we won both games tonight the implications of this double header will have long term effects on us. It effected us tonight in fact.

Brian26
08-21-2010, 10:50 PM
Stop blaming Joe West.

I was just going to blame him for distracting Lillibridge when he was going to 2nd on that TCQ double.

soxfanatlanta
08-21-2010, 10:51 PM
What's this team's record against the AL this year? .500?

JB98
08-21-2010, 10:51 PM
Hey, but we beat the crap out of NL teams! Let's go have ice cream!

:angry:

I look on the bright side. At least I haven't paid my playoff ticket invoice.

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:51 PM
Only the Yanke, Red Sox, and Tigers have a higher payroll, among al teams......


ozzie has to go.

How about the guy that built this team? How about the guy who is paid to make talent evaluations and is paid to decide whether or not Thome or Kotsay should be the DH? Or the guy who has built bullpens that have imploded every year since 2006?

I don't think Ozzie should be fired, but if Ozzie is fired so should Kenny. He is just as responsible for this team as Ozzie is.

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2010, 10:51 PM
I guess the Sox really could have used Slugger Jim tonight, right? Five runs against the Royals has to be enough. Has to be enough. Has to be enough. :whiner:

No. Thome wouldn't get at-bats on this team.

soltrain21
08-21-2010, 10:51 PM
The Royals aren't in a playoff race are they? Even if we won both games tonight the implications of this double header will have long term effects on us. It effected us tonight in fact.

No, because they ****ing suck. We should beat them. We don't.

Nelfox02
08-21-2010, 10:52 PM
Only the Yanke, Red Sox, and Tigers have a higher payroll, among al teams......


ozzie has to go.


I d be surprised if we see that.....maybe? Just dont see it.......i think the only way he goes is if he decides to walk, and I dont expect that at all

JB98
08-21-2010, 10:52 PM
what's this team's record against the al this year? .500?

51-53

LoveYourSuit
08-21-2010, 10:52 PM
How about the guy that built this team? How about the guy who is paid to make talent evaluations and is paid to decide whether or not Thome or Kotsay should be the DH? Or the guy who has built bullpens that have imploded every year since 2006?

I don't think Ozzie should be fired, but if Ozzie is fired so should Kenny. He is just as responsible for this team as Ozzie is.


They should clean house. You're right.

JermaineDye05
08-21-2010, 10:52 PM
I don't know if I'd call this a heartbreaker but it was pretty damn close.

This was another winnable game we absolutely blew. That's now 3.0 games we've lost in the standings to the Twins because of our bullpen.

Oh and two of those three games were ones that Freddy started FWIW.

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:52 PM
No, because they ****ing suck. We should beat them. We don't.

Well, that's on us, yes.

Brian26
08-21-2010, 10:53 PM
The pitching line is interesting to look at.

Freddy goes 7 innings and gives up 4 ER, but he really pitched much better than that. Sale gets the loss, which also seems undeserving based on how well he did and getting out of the jam.

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2010, 10:53 PM
I was just going to blame him for distracting Lillibridge when he was going to 2nd on that TCQ double.

West's ego has it's own gravitational field; it changed Lillibridge's orbit around the bases.

Jollyroger2
08-21-2010, 10:53 PM
Remember the pre-June 8 White Sox? They're back.

This team hasn't won back-to-back games since Aug. 5. This team has also put on a clinic in losing to bad teams this year.

I would venture to say that now for sure it's obvious that the post-June 8 Sox were the aberration. A losing record vs. their own division and league? That speaks for itself. No matter how distasteful it is, it is now evident the Sox are only in shouting distance of the Twins thanks to their favorable record and schedule vs. the NL's dregs. Getting to play 12 games vs the Cubs, Pirates and Nats surely helped kick start the Sox.

They managed some impressive series wins at the same time, Atlanta, Texas....but in reality every team, no matter how poor, gets hot at some point for a while. Aside from that one fun stretch, the Sox have struggled to even achieve mediocrity.

The sad thing is, I knew, knew in my heart, they would lose again via a walkoff tonight. The bullpen has been a disaster for weeks, notwithstanding the silly nonsense I saw in the game thread about KC's offense. Good teams close out wins with a multiple run lead in the late innings. Period. This is not a good bullpen, or a good team.

shingo10
08-21-2010, 10:54 PM
We're going to lose ground tonight. This is ridiculous.:angry:


Not if we win the second game.

If we come out of this fiasco of a roadtrip 4 games back or better then I will be VERY happy.

The only thing we can do is keep hoping to find our stride again. The tide will come back to us. It just better get here before its too late.

JB98
08-21-2010, 10:54 PM
The pitching line is interesting to look at.

Freddy goes 7 innings and gives up 4 ER, but he really pitched much better than that. Sale gets the loss, which also seems undeserving based on how well he did and getting out of the jam.

I wish he had gone 7, Brian. He went 6 2/3. He couldn't get that last key out in the seventh, and neither could Santos.

Nelfox02
08-21-2010, 10:54 PM
How about the guy that built this team? How about the guy who is paid to make talent evaluations and is paid to decide whether or not Thome or Kotsay should be the DH? Or the guy who has built bullpens that have imploded every year since 2006?

I don't think Ozzie should be fired, but if Ozzie is fired so should Kenny. He is just as responsible for this team as Ozzie is.


Dont expect to see Kenny GM whacked either.......I think status quo kept at the top and probably more of the same for 2011 for this team

whitesoxfan
08-21-2010, 10:54 PM
The Royals aren't in a playoff race are they? Even if we won both games tonight the implications of this double header will have long term effects on us. It effected us tonight in fact.

No they're not, but two teams had to deal with these conditions tonight. Their bullpen is still going to be taxed because of this stupid doubleheader, as well.

And let's be honest. We probably weren't going to sweep the DH today anyway, no matter what time the first game started.

soxfanatlanta
08-21-2010, 10:54 PM
51-53

Sorry I asked, it's like a ****ing 2006 flashback...without Jim Thome.

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:54 PM
They should clean house. You're right.

I don't know if the steps need to be quite that drastic. I think the team can win with some minor tinkering...but I'm losing faith in Kenny to build teams. Kenny also waved all responsibility this year when the team was losing saying "This is the team Ozzie wanted." Well, Ozzie's not the GM, is he? But the fact is neither of them will go. I'm not sure either of them should go, but even if they should there isn't much accountability on this team. Fortunately there's a LOT of ego there.

LoveYourSuit
08-21-2010, 10:55 PM
The pitching line is interesting to look at.

Freddy goes 7 innings and gives up 4 ER, but he really pitched much better than that. Sale gets the loss, which also seems undeserving based on how well he did and getting out of the jam.


It's the other two clowns who dropped the egg and they won't show up on the box score (Jenks and Santos).

I will say it again, I am not sold on Santos. The guy is eratic. But that's to be expected for a 1st year pitcher, but some hear wanted him to replace Jenks as closer. No way in hell.

arKnaD7
08-21-2010, 10:55 PM
West's gravitational field changed Lillibridge's orbit around the bases.

Heck, West's ego generates it's own gravitational field.

That made me :lol:

WhiteSox5187
08-21-2010, 10:56 PM
No they're not, but two teams had to deal with these conditions tonight. Their bullpen is still going to be taxed because of this stupid doubleheader, as well.

And let's be honest. We probably weren't going to sweep the DH today anyway, no matter what time the first game started.

Again, tonight is one matter but the implications down the road adversely effect the White Sox far more than KC.

Jollyroger2
08-21-2010, 10:56 PM
No, because they ****ing suck. We should beat them. We don't.

Well said. I felt the same way in Baltimore recently, sitting there for three of the four games, hearing Orioles fans razz me about how "they thought the Sox were good?" etc etc.

Nelfox02
08-21-2010, 10:56 PM
I wish he had gone 7, Brian. He went 6 2/3. He couldn't get that last key out in the seventh, and neither could Santos.


anyone know Big Game's pitch count when Ozzie lifted him? not saying it wasnt time for him to, but did he break 90 pitches tonight?

LoveYourSuit
08-21-2010, 10:58 PM
I don't know if the steps need to be quite that drastic. I think the team can win with some minor tinkering...but I'm losing faith in Kenny to build teams. Kenny also waved all responsibility this year when the team was losing saying "This is the team Ozzie wanted." Well, Ozzie's not the GM, is he? But the fact is neither of them will go. I'm not sure either of them should go, but even if they should there isn't much accountability on this team. Fortunately there's a LOT of ego there.


I think there is a lot of sentimental feelings towards Ozzie and Kenny because of '05, but this team has been very mediocre for how high the payroll has been since then.

Fundamentals do not exist. And it showed today again. There is no teaching and the farm system is a train wreck.

shingo10
08-21-2010, 10:58 PM
anyone know Big Game's pitch count when Ozzie lifted him? not saying it wasnt time for him to, but did he break 90 pitches tonight?


He was at 97 before giving up the 2 hits that got him pulled. So I think he broke 100.

Crooked Number
08-21-2010, 10:58 PM
This season is officially the weirdest one ive ever witnessed. Up. Down. Up. Down. Tonights game was a microcosm of the season:

1. Wasted offensive opportunities for numerous innings.
2. Then 3 runs with two outs a little later.
3. Great starting pitching effort going deep in the game but leaves with runners on.
4. Then one of our best relievers coughs up the lead.
5. In extras, with our speedy pinch runner on, makes a base running error which gets him thrown out at home. A questionable send to begin with because it would have been 2nd and 3rd with one out.
6. Jenks with yet another chance to get himself right, and possibly get in the good graces with his detractors. Game over.

This season after April and May was a lost cause. "How many games will they lose?" became the threads here. Then the Sox go on one of the best runs in franchise history. What a turn around. Now they are in the midst of one of the most amazing stretches of games i can remember. I say amazing because i just cant believe what is happening while i watch these games these past few weeks. Snakebit? This is next level snakebit.

Its still not over. That is the best part. That is what makes baseball so fun. As agonizing as this stretch of ball has been to endure, things can swing around so quickly. It is one of those seasons. This is going to get crazier and crazier.

By the way, Sale is just special. From college ball to this in two months? That three pitch sequence at 99 was incredible. Win this next one tonight guys. Got to.

whitesoxfan
08-21-2010, 11:00 PM
Again, tonight is one matter but the implications down the road adversely effect the White Sox far more than KC.

In the end, it's not going to end up mattering at all.

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2010, 11:01 PM
What a genius Ozzie is!

He demands a team that can play NL-style ball, so that the Sox can compete well in NL games, nine of which are played in NL parks with NL rules.

Never mind the 18 we play against the Twins, the 18 we play against the Indians, and the 18 we play against the Royals. That's only 54 games, which is one-third of our season. And never mind the other 93 games against other AL opponents, and the nine against NL teams at the Cell.

Two equations from Ozzie math:

9 > 54
9 > 153

Here's how I solve for x: Ozzie is a ****ing idiot.

pudge
08-21-2010, 11:01 PM
It is one of those seasons. This is going to get crazier and crazier.


Or not. This could be the beginning of the big fade... it's like flipping a coin at this point to guess if this team really has a shot at the post-season. Some of the losses this year have been unreal. Yet I feel like we watch this movie every August.

TDog
08-21-2010, 11:02 PM
Again, the problem wasn't the offense. Again, late inning relievers failed to hold the lead, going back to the last homestand. It happened twice against the Tigers, once against the Twins and now against the Royals. Late-inning relief is supposed to a strength of this team, but every pitcher has been to blame. Today it was Santos. Tuesday it was Thornton. The games before that it was Putz. Before that, Jenks blew a couple of saves, and people wanted to cut him from the team.

Just winning those most recent four blown-lead games would put the White Sox in first place, because winning one of those games would mean one more loss for the Twins.

I can't argue with any of the moves Guillen made or didn't make because probably would have done the same thing. He wanted to get as much as he could out of Garcia until it was apparent he had nothing left. I don't believe anyone objected to bringing in Santos there. Anything but a home run, and the White Sox win this game. That was only the second home run he had given up all season.

Nelfox02
08-21-2010, 11:02 PM
It's the other two clowns who dropped the egg and they won't show up on the box score (Jenks and Santos).

I will say it again, I am not sold on Santos. The guy is eratic. But that's to be expected for a 1st year pitcher, but some hear wanted him to replace Jenks as closer. No way in hell.


I think we can agree Jenks is gone after this year.....even if Putz is back he has shown some doubts that he can still close, next year do you give Santos first crack? Try to acquire a guy (no clue what FA market is for closers)? Let Thornton have a shot (tho I dont like the idea of losing a great lefty set up man (unless you feel Sale can slot into that role)

just askin.....

JB98
08-21-2010, 11:02 PM
He was at 97 before giving up the 2 hits that got him pulled. So I think he broke 100.

Garcia threw 100 pitches on the dot tonight. He was starting to miss location in that seventh inning. He left pitches up to Bloomquist and Aviles. I can't blame Guillen for pulling him. Santos just didn't get the job done.

whitesoxfan
08-21-2010, 11:05 PM
Garcia threw 100 pitches on the dot tonight. He was starting to miss location in that seventh inning. He left pitches up to Bloomquist and Aviles. I can't blame Guillen for pulling him. Santos just didn't get the job done.

I have no fault with Ozzie there. He's in a no-win situation no matter what he does.

LoveYourSuit
08-21-2010, 11:05 PM
Again, the problem wasn't the offense. Again, late inning relievers failed to hold the lead, going back to the last homestand. It happened twice against the Tigers, once against the Twins and now against the Royals. Late-inning relief is supposed to a strength of this team, but every pitcher has been to blame. Today it was Santos. Tuesday it was Thornton. The games before that it was Putz. Before that, Jenks blew a couple of saves, and people wanted to cut him from the team.

Just winning those most recent four blown-lead games would put the White Sox in first place, because winning one of those games would mean one more loss for the Twins.

I can't argue with any of the moves Guillen made or didn't make because probably would have done the same thing. He wanted to get as much as he could out of Garcia until it was apparent he had nothing left. I don't believe anyone objected to bringing in Santos there. Anything but a home run, and the White Sox win this game. That was only the second home run he had given up all season.


Disagree. 5 runs on a night where you were suppose to play softball because of thin pitching is not nearly enough.

The team knows the pitching staff is very fragile right now, you have to beat the brains in out of the opponent like you did on Thursday.

KC pitching sucks BTW.

theamb
08-21-2010, 11:08 PM
I would venture to say that now for sure it's obvious that the post-June 8 Sox were the aberration.

I would say so.

That run gave a lot of people false hope.

Nelfox02
08-21-2010, 11:13 PM
I would say so.

That run gave a lot of people false hope.


not totally sure on that, I think a lot of people were never truly convinced .....big part of the thinking being lets see how we do when the AL roles back in, and then it became well lets see how they do with all those games vs the division after the all star break

ChiSoxGal85
08-21-2010, 11:16 PM
Good teams find a way to battle back offensively when they lose the lead. Heck, it's not like they were facing Mariano Rivera out there.

But the bullpen has been nothing short of...well, coming up short...actually "disappointing" is the word I was looking for.

Crooked Number
08-21-2010, 11:21 PM
Or not. This could be the beginning of the big fade... it's like flipping a coin at this point to guess if this team really has a shot at the post-season. Some of the losses this year have been unreal. Yet I feel like we watch this movie every August.

If we win the second game we gain a half game today. The last two weeks of 2008 was mind boggling. I was at the park on that last friday 9/26 against the Tribe. Twins game went final and I got real excited, knowing that i could be witnessing a Sox division title on this night. We had Danks going with a 4-3 lead. Then the Tribe put a six spot up in the 5th. All the Sox had to do was beat the crappy Indians to win the central. Then the Royals did the unthinkable in the dome, and next tuesday i got to see Danks again, this time with a much better result.

You just dont know whats going to happen. Sure they could fade, or, they can hang in by a thread, and take this down to the wire. The last two years have gone to 163. This division is not for the faint of heart. Get your tums/rolaids ready...

soxlady8
08-21-2010, 11:28 PM
Jenks has been terrble. I was.enjoying myself at a great wedding and now I am frumpy. Truly the beginning of the end NOW.

Rikirk
08-21-2010, 11:36 PM
Seriously....
I want to see a change, big changes.
Reboot the damn orginization.

Dont get me wrong...I like Ozzie, but its time for something new. Thank you for 2005....but the same old joke over and over...well...you know.
Id keep a few of the pitchers, Konerko, Rios and Beckham...
but Jenks and the rest...
Book em Dan-O.

Im done.

TDog
08-21-2010, 11:40 PM
Disagree. 5 runs on a night where you were suppose to play softball because of thin pitching is not nearly enough.

The team knows the pitching staff is very fragile right now, you have to beat the brains in out of the opponent like you did on Thursday.

KC pitching sucks BTW.

Five runs should be plenty when your starting pitcher leaves with two outs in the seventh and a 5-1 lead.

It would be different if the White Sox had didn't have two experienced closers, one occasional closer who was named to the All-Star team and another pitcher who people believe has the stuff to be a closer. The bullpen is supposed to be one of the strengths of this team.

Instead it is the reason the White Sox are not in first.

johnnyg83
08-22-2010, 12:08 AM
This is the worst two weeks of White Sox baseball I can remember.

From my high expectations, to losing to lesser talent, to blowing leads, I can't remember anything worse. And I've been a conscious fan since 1976.

Lip Man 1
08-22-2010, 01:53 AM
We'll see what happens in the nightcap (or the early morning cap) but through the end of game one there are some staggering numbers taking center stage.

The Sox have lost seven consecutive one run games.
In four of those seven losses the Sox lost the game in extra innings.
In four of those seven losses the Sox had a lead in the 7th inning or later.

The bullpen is falling apart at the seams and with it any chance this team may have had down the stretch.

Lip

Soxman219
08-22-2010, 01:57 AM
:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

O M G!!!!!!!!!!!!!

soxfanreggie
08-22-2010, 09:46 AM
We'll see what happens in the nightcap (or the early morning cap) but through the end of game one there are some staggering numbers taking center stage.

The Sox have lost seven consecutive one run games.
In four of those seven losses the Sox lost the game in extra innings.
In four of those seven losses the Sox had a lead in the 7th inning or later.

The bullpen is falling apart at the seams and with it any chance this team may have had down the stretch.

Lip

I'm glad we won game 2, but championship teams do not blow games like this to the Royals. Our penchant now for blowing games late is gut-wrenching.

Did anyone feel good with a lead late in game 2?

hawkjt
08-22-2010, 10:39 AM
If Weaver can beat the Twins(who lost Slowey and Mahay yesterday)and Sox pull out a win, Sox will be 3 back. Bumpy ride,but it aint over.

kufram
08-22-2010, 11:01 AM
I can't carry all the baggage of 2008, last year, or even last night and I hope the team don't either. Today's game is all that matters now and if you can't face it then don't. I'm with them til the end and we ain't there yet no matter how bad you feel.

slavko
08-22-2010, 11:01 AM
I'm verklempt!!!

FYI, the German spelling is verklemmt. No offense intended. All choked up either way. Anyhoo, the only thing vastly different between the Glory Days of a month ago and now is the 'pen. If it's not the most important tool in a manager's bag, it's close.