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GoGoCrede
08-19-2010, 09:44 PM
Whew!

twinsuck
08-19-2010, 09:44 PM
god that felt good.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-19-2010, 09:45 PM
4 back rolls off the tongue a lot nicer than 6 back.

ChicagoG19
08-19-2010, 09:45 PM
They won one for my birthday! Yes!:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

aryzner
08-19-2010, 09:45 PM
A lot of work to be done now. Thank God we got that one because I like our chances a lot better now.

SoxSpeed22
08-19-2010, 09:45 PM
There's our ace. (Haven't used that in a while)
Still in this damn thing with a great team effort.
Holy crap, this was my 5,000th post (officially since the Super Bears posts got deleted)

soltrain21
08-19-2010, 09:45 PM
Alright. We got a standing 8 count. Back in the fight. Only gain from here on out.

GoGoCrede
08-19-2010, 09:45 PM
god that felt good.

Agreed. I am so glad we have Buehrle. Just what we needed, really.

Also, can't wait to hear the debates about whether the HBP was intentional or not.

I am glad to be done with these guys till next month.

arKnaD7
08-19-2010, 09:46 PM
Sweep KC, nothing else to it

russ99
08-19-2010, 09:46 PM
Heck yeah. Nice statement game, and they knocked around Pavano which is really what I wanted to see this series.

Let's get on a roll again vs. KC and Baltimore, this is far from over.

manders_01
08-19-2010, 09:46 PM
That was just an awesome game, simple as that! :bandance:

Soxman219
08-19-2010, 09:47 PM
I don't watch, they win. Typical!:rolleyes:

Nice win though

BringHomeDaBacon
08-19-2010, 09:47 PM
Sweet sweet win. An 11-0 pasting sends a louder, more convincing message than some bitch ass bean ball ever could.

Now lets destroy KC and BAL

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 09:48 PM
Somebody's got to cool the Twins off. If they keep winning series, it'll be awfully tough to catch them.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
08-19-2010, 09:48 PM
Hey, did the Twins win (http://didthetwinswin.com)?

PeteWard
08-19-2010, 09:48 PM
There is still hope. Average pick up of one game per week will do it. But they need to take 5 of 6 against the usual dregs that they cannot beat.
Not so optimisitic, but the Twins are due to cool off.

OmahaSoxFan
08-19-2010, 09:48 PM
Nice win for the Sox!!! Now let's hope they can build off this one and take the series in KC this weekend, and maybe hope the Angels can do some damage to the Twins as well to help the Sox out a little bit.

Either way, good solid win tonight for the Sox to avoid the potential sweep! Major kudos to PK and MB!!! And also Juan Pierre as well!

GlassSox
08-19-2010, 09:48 PM
Mark pitched a great game and offense was there again. Paulie was right on 5/5.

nccwsfan
08-19-2010, 09:49 PM
That's more like it! Keep chipping away now and make that series in mid-September count.

guillensdisciple
08-19-2010, 09:49 PM
4 games back- should have been tied for the division lead. No big deal. WE showed fight in this series, which is exactly what we needed. Our two best let us down, hopefully they sack up the rest of the way- we will need them.

Take it how you want it, but the Sox gutted the Twins in this series. Killed their bullpen over 3 games, and barely used our own. Or at least the best guys. We set ourselves up for the upcoming games, while the Twins have a damaged good bullpen playing right now. Also, their pitching was rather flat and was not that impressive. It seems like that great run might be coming to an end as well.

The White Sox could have opened up a wound too large for the Twins. No other team has put this kind of display against them and made them sweat like this. Sure they won two, but who will win in the end? I think their pitching has been exposed, and like I said at the beginning of the year, it will be their downfall.

I am not crowning anybody anything, but there is a chance for the Sox so long as we make sure that our pitching comes around completely.

shingo10
08-19-2010, 09:49 PM
Out of all the drama over the past 2 nights, we only lose a game that series. Okay. Now, we just need to get back to winning series and the Twins are bound to come crashing back down. We just SHELLED their top 3 pitchers. The rest of the league will follow suit.

OmahaSoxFan
08-19-2010, 09:50 PM
That's more like it! Keep chipping away now and make that series in mid-September count.

Yep, plenty of baseball to go... tonight's win was especially big... big difference between 6 games and 4 games out at this point in the season!

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 09:50 PM
How about a one year extension for Omar? What the ****. .290 and great defense, plus how he's helped TCM's game.

cws05champ
08-19-2010, 09:51 PM
The only thing that could have made that better was if Pena or Jenks would have drilled 1-2 guys...ON PURPOSE! The team and the fans needed a game like that.

FielderJones
08-19-2010, 09:51 PM
http://didthetwinswin.com/

Bad link, MtGreenwood

SoxSpeed22
08-19-2010, 09:51 PM
Bobby looked great today, but I am worried about JJ. If he has to go on the DL, we have to hope the other guys can pick him up. Although that injury would explain some things with the way he was pitching lately.

Noir
08-19-2010, 09:51 PM
Oh yeah, Since JB98 doesn't seem to be anywhere at the moment, shall I say it? The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

Bucky F. Dent
08-19-2010, 09:51 PM
We needed that in a huge way. Still and all, the bullpen inspired no confidence. Coop has alot of "fixin'" to do.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
08-19-2010, 09:52 PM
http://didthetwinswin.com/

Bad link, MtGreenwood

Fixed it.

PeteWard
08-19-2010, 09:52 PM
How about a one year extension for Omar? What the ****. .290 and great defense, plus how he's helped TCM's game.

Here, here! I was not excited by that pick up and he has turned up aces.
Will be nice to have his veteran cool in the playoffs.

Soxman219
08-19-2010, 09:53 PM
Suddenly, there's a feeling of hope.

OmahaSoxFan
08-19-2010, 09:54 PM
Suddenly, there's a feeling of hope.

Nothing like spanking the Twins 11-0 to stir up a little hope!!! Just have to hope the Sox can build off this win tonight, and maybe the Twins cool off a little bit in the process!

sox1970
08-19-2010, 09:56 PM
Suddenly, there's a feeling of hope.

I'm not there yet. If the Sox sweep KC and the Angels beat the Twins 2 of 3, I'll be back.

guillensdisciple
08-19-2010, 09:56 PM
I have a feeling we see a waiver claim coming up very very soon for this team.

VMSNS
08-19-2010, 09:56 PM
*clears throat*

**** you, Denard Span
**** you, Orlando Hudson
**** you, Mike Cuddyer
**** you, Delmon Young
**** you, Jason Repko
**** you, Jason Kubel
**** you, Nick Punto
**** you, Alexi Casilla
**** you, Drew Butera
**** you, Danny Valencia

**** you Joe Mauer
**** you Ron Gardenhire
**** you Twins

THANK YOU, WHITE SOX! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

whitesoxfan
08-19-2010, 09:57 PM
Sweep the Royals and sweep the Orioles. We can only control what we do, so let's beat the little sisters of the poor, please.

twinsuck
08-19-2010, 09:57 PM
Suddenly, there's a feeling of hope.
Here's to that! :gulp:

gogosox675
08-19-2010, 09:58 PM
:bandance::bandance:Still alive! Good game today.:bandance::bandance:

Jollyroger2
08-19-2010, 09:58 PM
I'm not there yet. If the Sox sweep KC and the Angels beat the Twins 2 of 3, I'll be back.

Yeah. Losing another series to these guys does little for me. Nice of them to show up at least once though.

Red Barchetta
08-19-2010, 09:59 PM
That felt good! I'm sure it helped the team morale a little as well. There's still hope. Many of the games we lost during this stretch have been close and could have gone either way. We need to take care of business against KC and against Baltimore while the Twins have the Angels and Rangers.

voodoochile
08-19-2010, 10:00 PM
4 back rolls off the tongue a lot nicer than 6 back.

One's doable, the other is a lot tougher. This was a huge win for this team. They showed a lot of fight these past two games, but couldn't finish it out and today they simply went at the Twinkies hard and kept piling it on. Would be nice if the team were to start showing more offensive ability again as they have these past three nights. Bullpen is a bit ragged out, but with Linebrink showing signs of life it may allow them to give Putz a rest. Ditto for Sale and Thornton.

Heck of an effort. I had a good feeling with BurlyMon heading to the mound tonight. I figure he's a fighter and won't back down no matter what and indeed he had the goods stuff tonight.

Still in the fight, just gotta get back on a roll...

:soxwin:

:)

Carneyman14
08-19-2010, 10:02 PM
Can somebody please clone Mark Buehrle?

^^^^^^^ Man Crush

guillensdisciple
08-19-2010, 10:02 PM
*clears throat*

**** you, Denard Span
**** you, Orlando Hudson
**** you, Mike Cuddyer
**** you, Delmon Young
**** you, Jason Repko
**** you, Jason Kubel
**** you, Nick Punto
**** you, Alexi Casilla
**** you, Drew Butera
**** you, Danny Valencia

**** you Joe Mauer
**** you Ron Gardenhire
**** you Twins

THANK YOU, WHITE SOX! :bandance::bandance::bandance:


I was giving the Twins the good old **** you the entire game and fully approve what you just posted.

**** all of them, every single one.

Oh, and in case you guys were confused as to why there were so many guests the previous two days, well it is explained by how we have 30 or so tonight and 200 the other two. It's obvious that the Twinks fans had something to do with it.

Anyway, **** you Twins!!!!

Marqhead
08-19-2010, 10:03 PM
If they don't plunk someone in the Royals series, I'm pissed.

JB98
08-19-2010, 10:03 PM
The White Sox did score 23 runs in this three-game set. Hopefully, the offense stays hot and the pitchers can get their **** together.

The Minnesota pitching staff is not of playoff quality.

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

GoGoCrede
08-19-2010, 10:04 PM
If they don't plunk someone in the Royals series, I'm pissed.

What'd they do to us?

guillensdisciple
08-19-2010, 10:05 PM
What'd they do to us?


They beat us to last place year after year.

tstrike2000
08-19-2010, 10:05 PM
We're coming back for you Minne-blowta to regain what is ours, first place.

SoxSpeed22
08-19-2010, 10:05 PM
The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.And with that. The day is complete.

Marqhead
08-19-2010, 10:06 PM
What'd they do to us?

They're the team following the Twins. And we didn't plunk the Twins. REVENGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Carneyman14
08-19-2010, 10:07 PM
If they don't plunk someone in the Royals series, I'm pissed.

Again I am available for a 1 game contract. Salary Negotiable. I could probably hit 80.....

(the hard part will be trying to get my control down to hitting a head...)

Uncontested
08-19-2010, 10:07 PM
Is Orlando Hudson the one who was being a douche to AJ yesterday by trying to hit him in the face? or was that Delmon?

PeteWard
08-19-2010, 10:07 PM
Yeah. Losing another series to these guys does little for me. Nice of them to show up at least once though.

Eh...they showed up and fought like hell. It's just that the bullpen choked and two good starters collapsed. But yeah, they need to take a damn series.

Woofer
08-19-2010, 10:09 PM
A great team effort tonight. Feels good to have a laugher, especially after these last 4 games. It would have been great to win 2 out of 3. Oh well, just keep winning.

Hope Putz is ok, we don't need any more bullpen problems. Maybe this knee has been affecting him of late.

konerko 14
08-19-2010, 10:09 PM
great game, only problem is when JJ hit Hudson in the 8th, why just nick his jersey, hit him in the back.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-19-2010, 10:11 PM
great game, only problem is when JJ hit Hudson in the 8th, why just nick his jersey, hit him in the back.You spelled "head" wrong... :dunce:

PeteWard
08-19-2010, 10:12 PM
Why Hudson and why in the back? I'll take Mauer or Young in the ear please.

Chez
08-19-2010, 10:13 PM
Win 5 out of the next 6 and then see what happens. I still believe.

konerko 14
08-19-2010, 10:13 PM
You spelled "head" wrong... :dunce:

oops :redneck

Lip Man 1
08-19-2010, 10:14 PM
It's just nice to win a game...period.

Gonzales just reported Putz has some knee inflamation, will be unavailable Friday. He's day to day. Perhaps that helps to explain what happened over the weekend.

Lip

soltrain21
08-19-2010, 10:15 PM
Why Hudson and why in the back? I'll take Mauer or Young in the ear please.

What has Joe Mauer ever done for you to say he should get beaned in the head?

He is good at baseball. One of the best. That's reason to hit him in the helmet?I'm sorry - but that's ****ing stupid.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-19-2010, 10:17 PM
What has Joe Mauer ever done for you to say he should get beaned in the head?

He is good at baseball. One of the best. That's reason to hit him in the helmet?I'm sorry - but that's ****ing stupid.Then hit Thome, he's even worse than Kotsay.

voodoochile
08-19-2010, 10:17 PM
It's just nice to win a game...period.

Gonzales just reported Putz has some knee inflamation, will be unavailable Friday. He's day to day. Perhaps that helps to explain what happened over the weekend.

Lip

And is also the biggest problem with having late inning pitchers in contract years. Him and Bobby have both been trying to pitch through physical problems apparently and it isn't doing the team any good at all. I have to think that some of the reason for that is to not appear vulnerable or wimpy during their next negotiation session.

tdwiek
08-19-2010, 10:20 PM
It's games like this that make me think this team can definitely compete with anyone!!

PeteWard
08-19-2010, 10:21 PM
What has Joe Mauer ever done for you to say he should get beaned in the head?

He is good at baseball. One of the best. That's reason to hit him in the helmet?I'm sorry - but that's ****ing stupid.

To me? Nothing. I've never met the guy.:rolleyes:

Multiple plunkings of Quentin when he was wheeling on their pitches is a reason to hit one of their top guys. The "ear" part of my comment was just hyperbole and a joke , so settle the **** down.

ChiSoxGirl
08-19-2010, 10:22 PM
Hmmm.... Pornstache Pavano is human, after all! :bandance: Screw you, Pornstache; screw you, Punto; screw you Gardenhose; screw you, Kubel; screw you, Cuddyer....

PeteWard
08-19-2010, 10:24 PM
Hmmm.... Pornstache Pavano is human, after all! :bandance: Screw you, Pornstache; screw you, Punto; screw you Gardenhose; screw you, Kubel; screw you, Cuddyer....

I have been predicting Pavano's return to earth for about two weeks now. I think he will get hit hard the rest of the year. I hope.

soltrain21
08-19-2010, 10:36 PM
To me? Nothing. I've never met the guy.:rolleyes:

Multiple plunkings of Quentin when he was wheeling on their pitches is a reason to hit one of their top guys. The "ear" part of my comment was just hyperbole and a joke , so settle the **** down.

Maybe you should be the one to "settle the **** down" if you are talking about hitting someone in the head, joke or not.

And better question for the "hit someone in the earhole" crowd. Which pitcher on the White Sox do you think has a complete lack of character that would go out there with intentions to do that? None of our guys are like that, and I'm glad.

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 10:37 PM
Honestly, which one of Minnesota's SP would break into the Sox starting five? Liriano?


With a healthy Peavy ...

Domeshot17
08-19-2010, 10:37 PM
huge win, but we absolutely have to sweep one of the next 2 series and win the other.

Domeshot17
08-19-2010, 10:38 PM
Honestly, which one of Minnesota's SP would break into the Sox starting five? Liriano?


Well to be fair, Freddy is as bad as any of them. He gutted out a nice run, but he is done. Now No Freddy with Peavy......totally different story

LoveYourSuit
08-19-2010, 10:38 PM
Just like Konerko, everytime I want to turn the page on Buehrle he throws a gem like this one.

We needed this from him so badly and got it.

He's going to be Jamie Moyer part II if he wishes to pitch that long.


4 games out. Have to almost sweep the Royals to get some big momentum going and get right back in this.

I am very concerned about the bullpen situation. SP need to be looking to go 7 every night going forward.

LoveYourSuit
08-19-2010, 10:39 PM
Honestly, which one of Minnesota's SP would break into the Sox starting five? Liriano?


With a healthy Peavy ...

Pavano and Liriano have been been pretty damn good, as good as any of our five.

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 10:42 PM
Pavano and Liriano have been been pretty damn good, as good as any of our five.

Liriano yeah. Pavano would be 5th at best. Who would he supplant?

gogosox675
08-19-2010, 10:45 PM
I'm glad we scored those runs on Perkins after he hit Pierre. To me, that's the ultimate form of retaliation.

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 10:45 PM
The upside is we have a great rotation for 2011 if Edwin Jackson is our #5 starter,

delben91
08-19-2010, 10:45 PM
I haven't read the thread, so maybe I'm alone in this.

This seemed like a really hollow victory to me. The starting pitching has given zero indication over the past week or so that this kind of game will be anything but an aberration.

If they go out and get swept by KC after this (2 of 3 is definitely possible with how Freddy's thrown lately and Danks' last start) then winning today will just delay the fall.

Call me Homefish if you want, but this almost feels like a loss to me as crazy as that sounds.

LoveYourSuit
08-19-2010, 10:46 PM
Liriano yeah. Pavano would be 5th at best. Who would he supplant?


Freddy.

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 10:48 PM
I haven't read the thread, so maybe I'm alone in this.

This seemed like a really hollow victory to me. The starting pitching has given zero indication over the past week or so that this kind of game will be anything but an aberration.

If they go out and get swept by KC after this (2 of 3 is definitely possible with how Freddy's thrown lately and Danks' last start) then winning today will just delay the fall.

Call me Homefish if you want, but this almost feels like a loss to me as crazy as that sounds.

I don't disagree, the last week has been so tough that the lows are bigger than the highs. I think you have to take it for what is was, a team with it's back against the wall. And our crafty ace and team captain willing us to the victory. If that is really possible. If they can just decide to turn it on, doesn;t it give you a good feeling? Doesn;t the fact that Minnesota is as hot as we were make you realize it's unsustainable with their pitching? Can't you smell the hope? It's just hope. But it's there.

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 10:51 PM
Freddy.

I'm imaginging:

Buehrle
Peavey
Danks
Floyd
Jackson

Liriano Might be a #3

Pavano is maybe the #5

PeteWard
08-19-2010, 10:52 PM
Maybe you should be the one to "settle the **** down" if you are talking about hitting someone in the head, joke or not.

And better question for the "hit someone in the earhole" crowd. Which pitcher on the White Sox do you think has a complete lack of character that would go out there with intentions to do that? None of our guys are like that, and I'm glad.

Your self-righteousness is breath-taking and if you don't think pitchers on each and every team in MLB are capable of protecting their own hitters by retaliating, you are naive. Did Bob Gibson lack character? As far as hitting someone in the head, you know I was joking so please stop your pontification.

shingo10
08-19-2010, 10:54 PM
huge win, but we absolutely have to sweep one of the next 2 series and win the other.


Why? The Sox unfortunatley aren't going to win the rest of their games. They will lose some. Just like the Twins will. This 4 game defecit doesn't need to be erased by next week. (Although it would be nice.) Just need to keep making progress. A little progress each week will go a long way.

Rikirk
08-19-2010, 10:55 PM
Im thankfull for the win.

Maybe we can steal the twins spark and go on a tear of our own.


Oh yeah, and how about this...when the Twins come back to the Cell in a few weeks...how about sweeping them.
Im tired of the mental brain cramp that team induces...
DESTROY them for once.

rant mode off.

doublem23
08-19-2010, 10:58 PM
The last time the Sox went on a roll, they were all but declared dead by everyone from the most loyal fan to the most fickle Tribune columnist. The same thing happened after Tuesday and Wednesday's stomach punches. Maybe they can go unconscious one more time.

:praying:

4 back. 6 weeks. 3 games left with Minny in our house. 16 of our last 22 at home.

Why not?

rfUYuIVbFg0

mcsoxfan
08-19-2010, 11:02 PM
Breath of fresh air....please...

Konerko waits until a blowout to go 5 for 5. 2 of those hits could have won the other two games. See ya in Anaheim, Paulie!

BringHomeDaBacon
08-19-2010, 11:03 PM
I'm imaginging:

Buehrle
Peavey
Danks
Floyd
Jackson

Liriano Might be a #3

Pavano is maybe the #5

The only AL team Peavy pitched well against was KC. As far as I'm concerned the jury is out.

gogosox675
08-19-2010, 11:03 PM
The last time the Sox went on a roll, they were all but declared dead by everyone from the most loyal fan to the most fickle Tribune columnist. The same thing happened after Tuesday and Wednesday's stomach punches. Maybe they can go unconscious one more time.

:praying:

4 back. 6 weeks. 3 games left with Minny in our house. 16 of our last 22 at home.

Why not?

rfUYuIVbFg0

This song is my own personal unofficial theme song for the Sox this year. I've been playing it all season long and it always makes me think of the Sox. I wish the city boy had been born and raised in south Chicago. That would be extremely coincidental!

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 11:06 PM
The only AL team Peavy pitched well against was KC. As far as I'm concerned the jury is out.

SO jury: Pavano v. Peavey . You'll bet on Pavano?

PeteWard
08-19-2010, 11:06 PM
The last time the Sox went on a roll, they were all but declared dead by everyone from the most loyal fan to the most fickle Tribune columnist. The same thing happened after Tuesday and Wednesday's stomach punches. Maybe they can go unconscious one more time.

:praying:

4 back. 6 weeks. 3 games left with Minny in our house. 16 of our last 22 at home.

Why not?



If the Sox are within 3 on Sept 14 then they will have a good chance.

cards press box
08-19-2010, 11:06 PM
Great and much needed win! Sox are 4 out with 42 games (about 6 and 1/2 weeks) left. That's plenty of time for the Sox to get hot and make at least one more run at the AL Central title. With Kotsay slumping, I wonder if the Sox may pick up Brad Hawpe or Adam LaRoche within the next few days to add some offensive punch.

PeteWard
08-19-2010, 11:08 PM
Breath of fresh air....please...

Konerko waits until a blowout to go 5 for 5. 2 of those hits could have won the other two games. See ya in Anaheim, Paulie!

And no clutch hits at all besides that, right? He's having such a ****ty year, isn't he? :rolleyes:

JB98
08-19-2010, 11:11 PM
Great and much needed win! Sox are 4 out with 42 games (about 6 and 1/2 weeks) left. That's plenty of time for the Sox to get hot and make at least one more run at the AL Central title. With Kotsay slumping, I wonder if the Sox may pick up Brad Hawpe or Adam LaRoche within the next few days to add some offensive punch.

Maybe they should just play Teahen instead of Kotsay. Looks like Teahen is swinging the bat pretty decent.

Hawpe is horse**** this year. The Sox don't need another below average hitter with no glove.

doublem23
08-19-2010, 11:11 PM
Breath of fresh air....please...

Konerko waits until a blowout to go 5 for 5. 2 of those hits could have won the other two games. See ya in Anaheim, Paulie!

Seriously, man?

Considering the way our bullpen's been lately, yeah, I'd say every run right now is clutch. I wouldn't expect the Sox to be able to hold a 10 run lead in the 9th with 2 outs against a high school team.

BringHomeDaBacon
08-19-2010, 11:16 PM
SO jury: Pavano v. Peavey . You'll bet on Pavano?

I would take Liriano over Peavy. I would also take Baker, Pavano and Slowey over Jackson.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-19-2010, 11:18 PM
I would take Liriano over Peavy. I would also take Baker, Pavano and Slowey over Jackson.Jackson will be our ace in 2 years... right next to Danks, Floyd, then Peavy...

guillensdisciple
08-19-2010, 11:19 PM
I would take Liriano over Peavy. I would also take Baker, Pavano and Slowey over Jackson.


I would take Liriano over Jackson, and the other three would not even cut anything else. Jackson has a higher ceiling and has show it now, Coop has done wonders. Those three that you mentioned are lost causes in regards to how much more you can squeeze out of them. They're serviceable, but will never be world beaters. Jackson can be.

doublem23
08-19-2010, 11:19 PM
Jackson will be our ace in 2 years... right next to Danks, Floyd, then Peavy...

Jackson will be gone in 2 years.

Foulke You
08-19-2010, 11:20 PM
Breath of fresh air....please...

Konerko waits until a blowout to go 5 for 5. 2 of those hits could have won the other two games. See ya in Anaheim, Paulie!
Oh, c'mon now. :rolleyes: I shudder to think where we'd be in the standings if Paulie wasn't having the type of season he is having. He has had a ton of big hits for this team in 2010.

doublem23
08-19-2010, 11:21 PM
I would take Liriano over Peavy. I would also take Baker, Pavano and Slowey over Jackson.

Whatever, man, Baker and Slowey aren't great, I mean, I can't definitely say Edwin Jackson is better than either of them, but they're all the same inconsistent crap. Pavano is an interesting case because, while he's been great this year and was once a prized prospect, his career has been, of course, awful. So who knows if he's finally tapped his talent or if he's just pulling an Esteban Loaiza on us all.

Anybody who actually thinks they can definitely rank Slowey, Baker, and Jackson 1-2-3 is just kidding themselves. Keep drinking that Twinkie Kool-Aid, though.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-19-2010, 11:22 PM
Jackson will be gone in 2 years.No. The 5 year extension will solidify our rotation for the decade.

doublem23
08-19-2010, 11:25 PM
No. The 5 year extension will solidify our rotation for the decade.

As long as Boras is his agent, it's not even worth the neurons thinking about it. He's gone after 2011.

:borass:
Edwin is interested in returning to the Sox. How is $275 M over 11 years sound? We won't accept a penny or minute less.

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 11:25 PM
I would take Liriano over Peavy. I would also take Baker, Pavano and Slowey over Jackson.

I don;t like what Peavy's done for us, but Liriano's just as prone to injury. Baker, Pavano and Slowey over Jackson for the #5 spot is a "no way."

Foulke You
08-19-2010, 11:26 PM
Whatever, man, Baker and Slowey aren't great, I mean, I can't definitely say Edwin Jackson is better than either of them, but they're all the same inconsistent crap. Pavano is an interesting case because, while he's been great this year and was once a prized prospect, his career has been, of course, awful. So who knows if he's finally tapped his talent or if he's just pulling an Esteban Loaiza on us all.

Anybody who actually thinks they can definitely rank Slowey, Baker, and Jackson 1-2-3 is just kidding themselves. Keep drinking that Twinkie Kool-Aid, though.
I agree. 2010 version of Pavano is having a great year but the rest of his career has been mediocre with many trips to the DL. Slowey and Baker are decent but probably top out as #3 starters. Of the three, Jackson, while inconsistent as well in his career still has the most upside based on the fact that he has "ace" type stuff.

BringHomeDaBacon
08-19-2010, 11:27 PM
You guys are hilarious, if Jackson wasn't wearing a White Sox uniform you would be saying he's crap. You talk about a ceiling yet when anyone mentions Hudson's or Gio Gonzalez's ceiling they're dismissed. Whatever.

soxlady8
08-19-2010, 11:30 PM
The night I do not torture myself watching... THEY WIN BIG... GO FIGURE !!
Paulie 5 for 5 WOW !

4 back sounds better than 6 !!

doublem23
08-19-2010, 11:33 PM
You guys are hilarious, if Jackson wasn't wearing a White Sox uniform you would be saying he's crap. You talk about a ceiling yet when anyone mentions Hudson's or Gio Gonzalez's ceiling they're dismissed. Whatever.

Did you miss the "Totally Biased, Utterly Petty, and Completely Unobjective" tagline.

I could easily turn this around, if Slowey and Baker weren't wearing Twins pinstripes, you'd gladly acknowledge that this dynamic duo, how do you say it, sucks ass? No one even said Jackson is obviously superior to them, we're just saying it's not clear he's inferior either. Neither of them have done anything in the show, either, except stick around at the back end of an average pitching staff. SOMEBODY CALL COOPERSTOWN.

Where did Hudson and Gio factor into this conversation? BTW, Gio's bounced all over the place between Oakland and AAA and this year, his "breakout" his home/road splits are enormous. Maybe he's not so much good as whatever they call that place now is ENORMOUS.

johnnyg83
08-19-2010, 11:33 PM
You guys are hilarious, if Jackson wasn't wearing a White Sox uniform you would be saying he's crap. You talk about a ceiling yet when anyone mentions Hudson's or Gio Gonzalez's ceiling they're dismissed. Whatever.

BOLOGNA. Jackson has great stuff. Would I rather have Hudson? Probably? Would I rather have Slowey, Blackburn, Perkins or Pavano? No.

delben91
08-19-2010, 11:45 PM
I don't disagree, the last week has been so tough that the lows are bigger than the highs. I think you have to take it for what is was, a team with it's back against the wall. And our crafty ace and team captain willing us to the victory. If that is really possible. If they can just decide to turn it on, doesn;t it give you a good feeling? Doesn;t the fact that Minnesota is as hot as we were make you realize it's unsustainable with their pitching? Can't you smell the hope? It's just hope. But it's there.

I have no doubt Minnesota will not stay this hot, but the starters and bullpen have to pick it back up again. If the Twins cool off but the Sox are still giving up 5-6 runs from each starter and unable to get 3 outs in the 9th it won't matter.

Yes, there's hope, but I can't put a lot of stock in it if tonight doesn't carry over into more consistent play over the next half dozen games.

The optimist in me wants to, I just can't bring myself to give in to it...

Foulke You
08-19-2010, 11:50 PM
I have no doubt Minnesota will not stay this hot, but the starters and bullpen have to pick it back up again. If the Twins cool off but the Sox are still giving up 5-6 runs from each starter and unable to get 3 outs in the 9th it won't matter.

Yes, there's hope, but I can't put a lot of stock in it if tonight doesn't carry over into more consistent play over the next half dozen games.

The optimist in me wants to, I just can't bring myself to give in to it...
I'm hoping the Twins take their foot off the pedal a la 2008 thinking they have this wrapped up and give us a chance to get back in this thing. Beating KC is extremely important.

GoGoCrede
08-19-2010, 11:55 PM
I'm hoping the Twins take their foot off the pedal a la 2008 thinking they have this wrapped up and give us a chance to get back in this thing. Beating KC is extremely important.

That was hysterical. Celebrating like they'd just won the World Series, then proceeding to crap the bed against KC.

hawkjt
08-19-2010, 11:59 PM
Perfect antidote to the last week...a laugher.
Saying Paulie had his big game in a blowout? Stupid, he made it a blowout by driving in runs in the first and third innings.
Plus ,he hit a homer in game 1 of the series also. Some fans are just stupid.

Hope JJ's knee is a short lived issue..cannot afford a short bullpen for long.
I like how the the team has hit this week. Now,if we can pitch in KC and keep hitting, we should be ok.
We need some help from the Angels,Rangers and M's...but bottom line is to stay close til Sept 14 when twins come to town...then do some damage.
I just keep thinking that Cito Gaston is a buddy of Ozzies,and old school,so in those last 4 games of the year up in Target, I think the Jays do some damage to the Twins,while the Sox are winning in Detroit.

At this point, I would take a trip back to Target for game 163...I think the Sox feel good hitting there.

PeteWard
08-20-2010, 12:03 AM
Perfect antidote to the last week...a laugher.
Saying Paulie had his big game in a blowout? Stupid, he made it a blowout by driving in runs in the first and third innings.
Plus ,he hit a homer in game 1 of the series also. Some fans are just stupid.

Hope JJ's knee is a short lived issue..cannot afford a short bullpen for I just keep thinking that Cito Gaston is a buddy of Ozzies,and old school,so in those last 4 games of the year up in Target, I think the Jays do some damage to the Twins,while the Sox are winning in Detroit.

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Yes I like the last series too if the Sox are even by then--even though the Sox have stunk it up so far against Cleveland. And yes, the comment above about Konerko was one of the most stupid of the year.

thomas35forever
08-20-2010, 12:15 AM
Revenge is best served with an ass-whooping!:bandance:

PeteWard
08-20-2010, 12:17 AM
Revenge is best served with an ass-whooping!:bandance:

That will only be complete with a sweep in September. Or by simply winning the division.

oeo
08-20-2010, 12:18 AM
Yeah. Losing another series to these guys does little for me. Nice of them to show up at least once though.

They only showed up once? What series did you watch? This was as evenly matched as they get up until today. The season series has been much of the same, with some exceptions here and there. The Twins have just came up on the better end of 1-run games.

I think this team has it in them, they're different than the Sox teams of the last decade. They keep going after it even after heartbreaks. It's going to be a fun September, and if the last three days are any sign for the Twins: they should be worried about their rotation again. This series will be looked at as a turning point in the season at the end of the year. It woke them up and they're playing good ball again. Unfortunately we only got one, but that's the breaks sometimes.

Carneyman14
08-20-2010, 01:43 AM
The last time the Sox went on a roll, they were all but declared dead by everyone from the most loyal fan to the most fickle Tribune columnist. The same thing happened after Tuesday and Wednesday's stomach punches. Maybe they can go unconscious one more time.

:praying:

4 back. 6 weeks. 3 games left with Minny in our house. 16 of our last 22 at home.

Why not?

rfUYuIVbFg0

this. Lets do it. Come on boys!!!

kufram
08-20-2010, 02:12 AM
Breath of fresh air....please...

Konerko waits until a blowout to go 5 for 5. 2 of those hits could have won the other two games. See ya in Anaheim, Paulie!


You see, even the best hitters in the game fail (if you want to call it that) nearly 2/3 of the time. They can't always get the key hit. Pk has been consistently good all year I suspect something to do with getting some regular breaks from playing the field. He shows leadership by his actions and steady nerve, not whipping people up to beanball somebody which will actually hurt us more than anybody. But, hey, I'm sure we'll be better without him. Not.

This has been a streaky team all year. That makes for a roller coaster but if the timing is right we can have a fun ride. Of course those who want to moan and be miserable every step of the way are free to do that.

Contrary to appearances, the Twins didn't have a great series. They won the 2 games, which obviously I would take in any fashion, but we came back against their starters and bullpen a few times. On another day we win those games. It does not bode terribly well for them that their pitching didn't hold leads. We had a good offensive series but our pitching gave up early runs and our bullpen was in a bad spot.

Dan H
08-20-2010, 05:21 AM
The sad part is that the White Sox could have swept this series. Konerko has been of the best White Sox players ever. It has been great watching him this season.

harwar
08-20-2010, 06:10 AM
The sad part is that the White Sox could have swept this series. Konerko has been one of the best White Sox players ever. It has been great watching him this season.

They should have swept .. Liriano wasn't on the other night and pitch Thome high n tight n low and away and we win .. the twins fans that i know were getting WAY too cocky .. last night took them down a notch .. i fully expected the White Sox and twins to change places in 1st a few times but i do not like being 4 games back .. time to move up ..

soxfanatlanta
08-20-2010, 06:24 AM
A cathartic night; keep it going!

LITTLE NELL
08-20-2010, 06:31 AM
We came so close to sweeping those jerks but we made a statement last night. We have to stay close and beat them at our place in September.

daveeym
08-20-2010, 08:28 AM
I had a good feeling that we were going to light up pavano. After lips post on him doctoring the ball and then seeing something mentioned by a more "legit" media source I figured if he has been doctoring the ball he wouldn't be tonight since he knew he'd probably be checked.

TheOldRoman
08-20-2010, 09:27 AM
The only AL team Peavy pitched well against was KC. As far as I'm concerned the jury is out.:rolleyes: First off, KC has (had) a pretty good offense this year. Coop had tweaked a few things in spring training with Jake and I believe it wasn't until June that they decided to abandon them and go back to what worked. You don't go from an ERA of 6 to giving up one run a start just because you pitch against the NL.

Pavano and Liriano have been been pretty damn good, as good as any of our five.Pavano is garbage. I have been saying the whole season that he is doing it with smoke and mirrors, and eventually some team would pound him and start his downward spiral. I am glad the Sox did it. Hopefully this game exposed him and everyone crushes Pavano from this point out. He does have an excellent mustache, though.

We are down by four games and we have over a quarter of the season left. You know what? **** it. The Sox are going to win the division.

Jollyroger2
08-20-2010, 09:33 AM
We came so close to sweeping those jerks but we made a statement last night. We have to stay close and beat them at our place in September.

Eh, you know what they say about close and horseshoes. Coming close to sweeping them sounds nice but the reality is they won another series against us.

The Sox need to play better, overall, in all facets of the game, whether they are playing the Yankees or the Royals or whoever. The fact remains they are still a below .500 team vs their own league. Not good enough.

TDog
08-20-2010, 09:33 AM
We came so close to sweeping those jerks but we made a statement last night. We have to stay close and beat them at our place in September.

I missed the game completely, but when I heard on my way back from San Jose that the Sox were up 11-0 on the Twins in the eighth inning, I was thinking the same thing.

The Sox could have swept the series. The Sox should have taken at least two in the series. Contrary to the negativity in this forum about how the Twins proved themselves the superior team and the Sox showed their season is over and they need to blow it up in the offseason, I don't think there is a huge difference between these teams.

Everyone here seemes to complain that the Sox don't have enough hitting, that they especially don't have a DH, but hitting, not even at DH, wasn't a problem in this series. The Sox hitters got to the Twins starters. They got to the Twins closers. As I expected, they got to Pavano, who hasn't been pitching nearly as well since he beat the Sox a month ago. And with all the complaining about the Twins getting into the heads of the White Sox players, in both game where the Twins got out to an early lead, The Sox took the lead back before eventually losing, and they came back to shut down the Twins Thursday.

This season is a long way from being over.

kevingrt
08-20-2010, 09:41 AM
We came so close to sweeping those jerks but we made a statement last night. We have to stay close and beat them at our place in September.

We won in run differential. What else matters?

BringHomeDaBacon
08-20-2010, 10:08 AM
Maybe they should just play Teahen instead of Kotsay. Looks like Teahen is swinging the bat pretty decent.

Hawpe is horse**** this year. The Sox don't need another below average hitter with no glove.

Hawpe (31 yrs): 300 plate appearances, 7 HR, .255/.343/.432
Kotsay (34 yrs): 304 plate appearances, 8 HR, .233/.306/.385

Despite being an all star LAST YEAR, Hawpe gets released while Kotsay....

Dan H
08-20-2010, 10:13 AM
I wasn't all that impressed with the Twins and I think the long season will finally expose some of their weaknesses as well. The question is how impressed should we be with the White Sox? Will they end this slump or will they go back to being beaten by KC and Baltimore?

JC456
08-20-2010, 10:37 AM
I didn't read all of the posts, too many, but wanted to ask how many of you watching thought Minnesota was going to score 12 in the ninth to win? Especially when Putz went out?

Hawk and Stoney mentioned it on the air. I was already thinking it!

Four up and three down in the ninth was Beautiful.

delben91
08-20-2010, 10:52 AM
I didn't read all of the posts, too many, but wanted to ask how many of you watching thought Minnesota was going to score 12 in the ninth to win? Especially when Putz went out?

Hawk and Stoney mentioned it on the air. I was already thinking it!

Four up and three down in the ninth was Beautiful.

I'm ashamed to admit it, but...

*raises hand*

Crestani
08-20-2010, 11:11 AM
I didn't read all of the posts, too many, but wanted to ask how many of you watching thought Minnesota was going to score 12 in the ninth to win? Especially when Putz went out?

Hawk and Stoney mentioned it on the air. I was already thinking it!

Four up and three down in the ninth was Beautiful.


Has it really become that bad around here..??:scratch:

GoGoCrede
08-20-2010, 11:31 AM
I didn't read all of the posts, too many, but wanted to ask how many of you watching thought Minnesota was going to score 12 in the ninth to win? Especially when Putz went out?


Hmm...no.

guillensdisciple
08-20-2010, 11:36 AM
I have a feeling the saviors of this season will be names we thought were dead in the beginning in Linebrink and Jenks. Also, Sale will have a huge part in solidifying and giving rest to a tired bullpen.

I think those three will bring everything back to normal, and I hope Putz is okay, because the Sox do have an embarrassment of riches in that bullpen.

October26
08-20-2010, 11:56 AM
I am still delirious this morning after last night's White Sox winner!

I know it was only one win, but I was clapping and jumping and cheering in front of my tv last night like I had not done for a couple of weeks now. It felt so good to beat up on the Twins. YES!

Thank you Mark (for an outstanding pitching performance) and Paulie (for that awesome 5 for 5 game last night). :D:

I'm a little worried this morning about this Putz knee injury from last night. Yes, we got Bobby back, but now we have another hole to fill if Putz is out for longer than a couple of days.

And now the challenge is to keep winning. Can't afford to have a let down weekend in KC. Let's Go Sox!

LoveYourSuit
08-20-2010, 12:05 PM
I would take Liriano over Peavy. I would also take Baker, Pavano and Slowey over Jackson.

Baker or Slowey over Jackson is just complete crazy talk.

Just on talent.

Why I take Liriano over Buehrle also.

I go:

Peavy
Liriano
Danks
Floyd
Pavano
Buehrle
Jackson
Baker
Slowey

In that order right there.

Coops4Aces
08-20-2010, 12:47 PM
No, I didn't think the Twins were going to score 12 in the 9th, or even threat anywhere close to that number. They had packed it in.

Coops4Aces
08-20-2010, 12:48 PM
Baker or Slowey over Jackson is just complete crazy talk.

Just on talent.

Why I take Liriano over Buehrle also.

I go:

Peavy
Liriano
Danks
Floyd
Pavano
Buehrle
Jackson
Baker
Slowey

In that order right there.

:kukoo:

TDog
08-20-2010, 12:48 PM
Hawpe (31 yrs): 300 plate appearances, 7 HR, .255/.343/.432
Kotsay (34 yrs): 304 plate appearances, 8 HR, .233/.306/.385

Despite being an all star LAST YEAR, Hawpe gets released while Kotsay....

This is a ridiculous comparison.

First, Kotsay in August is hitting .306 with two doubles, two triples and two home runs. In Tuesday night's game at DH, he had a slightly better game than Thome, although Thome's two-run homer won the game, while Kotsay's two-run homer brought the Sox within one before he later scored the first tying run and scored what should have been the winning run for the White Sox in the 10th. If Thornton had retired Thome as he should have, Kotsay would have been the offensive star of the game, although Ramirez tie the game in the nine and put the Sox ahead in the 10th.

Hawpe in August hit .217 with only one extra-base hit, a double, after he hit .213 in July.

Second, if you believe Hawpe would add anything to the White Sox offense, you haven't seen him play lately.

LoveYourSuit
08-20-2010, 01:01 PM
:kukoo:


Talking about talent here, to go along with stuff.

Guts, yes, put Buehrle on the top.

JC456
08-20-2010, 01:10 PM
Has it really become that bad around here..??:scratch:
Well like I wrote, even Hawk and Stoney were talking about it. I must not be any crazier than them! Too many bad things happened in Minnesota over the last 4 years, and I don't care the lead.

I know if it was in my head, it had to be in others.

downstairs
08-20-2010, 01:37 PM
These next 6 games are now very critical. We get basement dwellers, Minnesota plays Texas and LAAA (actually 7 games for them).

BringHomeDaBacon
08-20-2010, 01:39 PM
This is a ridiculous comparison.

First, Kotsay in August is hitting .306 with two doubles, two triples and two home runs. In Tuesday night's game at DH, he had a slightly better game than Thome, although Thome's two-run homer won the game, while Kotsay's two-run homer brought the Sox within one before he later scored the first tying run and scored what should have been the winning run for the White Sox in the 10th. If Thornton had retired Thome as he should have, Kotsay would have been the offensive star of the game, although Ramirez tie the game in the nine and put the Sox ahead in the 10th.

Hawpe in August hit .217 with only one extra-base hit, a double, after he hit .213 in July.

Second, if you believe Hawpe would add anything to the White Sox offense, you haven't seen him play lately.

Its a ridiculous comparison because Hawpe is obviously a far superior player. Both are having ****ty years and there is no track record comparison to be made. Hawpe is an obvious buy low (or in this case free) candidate. And congrats to Mark Kotsay for finally having a decent couple of weeks after hitting .210 in July. Talk to me when his numbers approach anything resembling respectable.

Joliet_Sox
08-20-2010, 01:40 PM
The only thing set in stone right now is game 163 wont be at home. 4 game leads in August have meant jack squat for the last decade or so in this division. Looking at the schedules I expect no more than a 2 game lead come the last Twins series, control our own destiny baby!!!

GO SOX!!!

hawkjt
08-20-2010, 01:49 PM
These next 6 games are now very critical. We get basement dwellers, Minnesota plays Texas and LAAA (actually 7 games for them).


Unfortuantely,the Rangers are cold right now...hope they start to heat back up vs the O's right now. Matuszk shut them down last nite 8 innings,5 hits 0ER...and we face him again next week...yikes.
Rangers are not hitting much right now.
The O's have cooled a bit,but still have won more lately with Buck at the helm.
KC had won 3 in a row before losing last nite to Cleveland.
Bullinger shut down the Yankees on 2 hits over 8 innnings...yikes.

As Hawk always says, in MLB ,it is not who you play,it is when you play them. Sox have to battle in every game ...41 to go.

kittle42
08-20-2010, 02:05 PM
I go:

Peavy
Liriano
Danks
Floyd
Pavano
Buehrle
Jackson
Baker
Slowey

In that order right there.

I actually completely agree.

GoSox2K3
08-20-2010, 02:07 PM
This game reminds me of the 11-1 win vs. Toronto on April 14. That one was a total aberration of a game during a spell when the Sox were otherwise losing games in bunches.

For this season, the 2 games that still loom large for the Sox are July 16 (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2010_07_16_chamlb_minmlb_1&mode=wrap) and July 18 (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2010_07_18_chamlb_minmlb_1&mode=wrap). Those are two games we totally gift wrapped to Minnesota. If this team were good enough to not give up 5 unearned runs and not meltdown with a 3 run lead in the 9th, then we'd be tied for first right now.

If we had more laughers this season, maybe our bullpen wouldn't have been out of gas the last few weeks.

TDog
08-20-2010, 03:02 PM
Its a ridiculous comparison because Hawpe is obviously a far superior player. Both are having ****ty years and there is no track record comparison to be made. Hawpe is an obvious buy low (or in this case free) candidate. And congrats to Mark Kotsay for finally having a decent couple of weeks after hitting .210 in July. Talk to me when his numbers approach anything resembling respectable.

When is the last time you've seen Hawpe play?

But you can go on complaining about Kotsay, who was not the reason the White Sox fell out of first and had lost four straight before Thursday's win.

LoveYourSuit
08-20-2010, 03:32 PM
When is the last time you've seen Hawpe play?

But you can go on complaining about Kotsay, who was not the reason the White Sox fell out of first and had lost four straight before Thursday's win.


Kotsay and the rest of the rotating DH situation is one of the biggest reasons why we are not in first place. It has nothing to do with this past week. It has to do with the season as a whole. The offense has been very average for the most part, and the DH situation is the biggest hole.

voodoochile
08-20-2010, 03:37 PM
Talking about talent here, to go along with stuff.

Guts, yes, put Buehrle on the top.

Stuff IS talent.

kittle42
08-20-2010, 05:48 PM
Kotsay and the rest of the rotating DH situation is one of the biggest reasons why we are not in first place. It has nothing to do with this past week. It has to do with the season as a whole. The offense has been very average for the most part, and the DH situation is the biggest hole.

Thank you. Cherry-picking individual games does not help either side of the argument.

TDog
08-20-2010, 08:21 PM
Kotsay and the rest of the rotating DH situation is one of the biggest reasons why we are not in first place. It has nothing to do with this past week. It has to do with the season as a whole. The offense has been very average for the most part, and the DH situation is the biggest hole.

Poor starting pitching at the beginning of the season and poor relief pitching in August are the two biggest reasons the White Sox are not in first place.

And the players the White Sox have been using at DH are all better offensive players than Hawpe is right now.

LoveYourSuit
08-20-2010, 09:09 PM
Poor starting pitching at the beginning of the season and poor relief pitching in August are the two biggest reasons the White Sox are not in first place.

And the players the White Sox have been using at DH are all better offensive players than Hawpe is right now.


Just because they are better than Hawpe (which is also debatable) doesn't make the situation right.

Also, you have the right to your opinion and keep blaming the pitching.

Thanks to that crappy pitching staff that hot June/July streak even took place. It had almost nothing to do about that offense for that run, that pitching was out of this world. To expect to get that kind of pitching all year was pretty stupid.