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thomas35forever
08-18-2010, 10:23 PM
At least we gave 'em a finish.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 10:23 PM
Discuss.

Patrick134
08-18-2010, 10:24 PM
Capps is awful.

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2010, 10:25 PM
We're in a lot of trouble. Lose tomorrow and the season is over save the shouting. This team lacks guts.

OmahaSoxFan
08-18-2010, 10:25 PM
This one doesn't hurt quite as bad as the walk-off loss yesterday, but the sad realization that the White Sox are now 5 games behind the red hot ****ING Twins just leaves me with a sinking feeling. This team doesn't appear to have the fortitude to make another run and take this thing back... At least Detoilet sucks, so we will at least say we came in SECOND.

VMSNS
08-18-2010, 10:25 PM
/season

JB98
08-18-2010, 10:25 PM
Capps is awful.

He really is. When the Yankees sweep the Twins out of the playoffs (again), I'm going to be shaking my head, wondering what might have been.

ChiSoxGirl
08-18-2010, 10:25 PM
It's time to resurrect the slogan I gave this team in April and May: "2010 White Sox Baseball... one kick to the gut after the other." :mad:

And, once again, a Twins player isn't hit. Tomorrow, the Sox face porn-stache Pavano. Say hello to the sweep, kids.

thomas35forever
08-18-2010, 10:26 PM
/season

I'll declare that once we get swept tomorrow night.

OmahaSoxFan
08-18-2010, 10:26 PM
He really is. When the Yankees sweep the Twins out of the playoffs (again), I'm going to be shaking my head, wondering what might have been.

Yep, better them getting swept out in the first round then the White Sox, I digress... :mad:

Patrick134
08-18-2010, 10:26 PM
The Twins starrting pitching is worse than the Sox, and while they play 4 at texas next week, we host the orioles for 3. If the sox win tomorrow, they'll be back in first within 10 days.

Nelfox02
08-18-2010, 10:26 PM
well, no agonizing late drama tonight

if it was not obvious all season, it is clearly obvious now---the Twins are simply the better team. top to bottom I credit the Sox for not rolling over in either game, they battled, but the bottom line is they are simply the inferior team.....

What an interesting off season this will be for this organization.......where do they go with this?

SoxSpeed22
08-18-2010, 10:26 PM
Nothing breaks a year like your hottest pitcher having his worst stuff.
At this point, I don't really care anymore, might as well get in a beanball war tomorrow.

theamb
08-18-2010, 10:26 PM
At least Detoilet sucks, so we will at least say we came in SECOND.

This isn't the AL East.

Quentin08
08-18-2010, 10:26 PM
:chunks

thomas35forever
08-18-2010, 10:27 PM
He really is. When the Yankees sweep the Twins out of the playoffs (again), I'm going to be shaking my head, wondering what might have been.

Please. If the Sox can't beat the Twins, how could we expect them to beat the Yankees in the playoffs?

Soxman219
08-18-2010, 10:28 PM
Will we ever beat the Twins in a series again?

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2010, 10:28 PM
He really is. When the Yankees sweep the Twins out of the playoffs (again), I'm going to be shaking my head, wondering what might have been.

It really is. If this team had any ****ing balls or weren't mental midgets or whatever we would have won the past two games, we would have won two of three at home last week and we wouldn't have lost three of four to Minnesota last time.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 10:28 PM
I expected a lot of my favorite pitcher tonight. He really disappointed me, even more than the offense did. But it's not as though he's alone in being bad against the Twins.

I'm strangely numb to all this now. At least this wasn't as soul-crushing as last night's loss.

Mizzourah
08-18-2010, 10:28 PM
I would fire Ozzie tonight. His lack of production combined with his whining is not tolerable.

I am tired of my ticket money going towards supporting his talentless sons. This was his team, in his own words.

Patrick134
08-18-2010, 10:28 PM
well, no agonizing late drama tonight

if it was not obvious all season, it is clearly obvious now---the Twins are simply the better team. top to bottom I credit the Sox for not rolling over in either game, they battled, but the bottom line is they are simply the inferior team.....

What an interesting off season this will be for this organization.......where do they go with this?

You're basing all that on the fact the sox bullpen wet the bed 3 games in a row.

OmahaSoxFan
08-18-2010, 10:29 PM
The Twins starrting pitching is worse than the Sox, and while they play 4 at texas next week, we host the orioles for 3. If the sox win tomorrow, they'll be back in first within 10 days.

Wow, that's being VERY optimistic to say at the very least... don't you realize that the Sox' track record against **** teams like the Royals and Orioles isn't much better than against the "high and mighty" Minnesota Twins... I see the possibility of the Sox being at least 8-9 games out by the end of next week if things continue this way... losing 3 out of 4 to a horse **** Baltimore team, 2 out of 3 to a really ****ty Detroit team and possibly three out of three to the juggernaut Twins... yeah I see the Sox making another run... :angry::angry::angry:

Sorry, just a tad frustrated in my team right now, like many others!

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2010, 10:30 PM
The Twins starrting pitching is worse than the Sox, and while they play 4 at texas next week, we host the orioles for 3. If the sox win tomorrow, they'll be back in first within 10 days.

Well, I agree that the Twins are bound to cool off and playing in Texas might do just that, but ****, there's no guarantee we beat the Royals. And if we lose tomorrow I could see this team just quitting once and for all. A team only has so many magic comebacks in them.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 10:30 PM
Down to our last bullet. Buehrle, come on down.

Nelfox02
08-18-2010, 10:30 PM
You're basing all that on the fact the sox bullpen wet the bed 3 games in a row.


no, not really


I mean, can you really hang tonight on the pen? I m basing this that they have a significantly better line up, they play significantly better fundamental baseball, their pitching and bull pen on paper are not to our level, but execution wise for the most part this season they have been pretty darn close

I love the Sox, but I will admit when a team is better than this group, and the Twns are. Not even mentioning this whole "in the head" noise

BringHomeDaBacon
08-18-2010, 10:30 PM
Liriano 5 IP, 6H, 5 ER, 4 BB, 5 K
Floyd 5.1 IP, 10 H, 7 ER, 3 BB, 5K

Both starters struggled. Gardy took Liriano out after 5 and Ozzie sent Floyd out to pitch the sixth and give up 3 runs in the process of getting one out. Ballgame.

Soxman219
08-18-2010, 10:31 PM
The Twins starrting pitching is worse than the Sox, and while they play 4 at texas next week, we host the orioles for 3. If the sox win tomorrow, they'll be back in first within 10 days.

You say that like we can beat the Orioles right now.

Patrick134
08-18-2010, 10:31 PM
no, not really


I mean, can you really hang tonight on the pen? I m basing this that they have a significantly better line up, they play significantly better fundamental baseball, their pitching and bull pen on paper are not to our level, but execution wise for the most part this season they have been pretty darn close

I love the Sox, but I will admit when a team is better than this group, and the Twns are. Not even mentioning this whole "in the head" noise


I meant the previous 3 games.

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2010, 10:31 PM
I would fire Ozzie tonight. His lack of production combined with his whining is not tolerable.

I am tired of my ticket money going towards supporting his talentless sons. This was his team, in his own words.

That's nice as none of his sons are on the Sox payroll. Also how come Kenny doesn't get any blame? He built this team. If this team is mentally weak and chokes it's as much on him as Ozzie.

ChicagoG19
08-18-2010, 10:31 PM
This team can't seem to put things together right now. How the heck did our starting rotation forget how to pitch. How come there was no retaliation for last night. This team is mentally weak and it shows. Minnnesota just wants it more.

Chisox353014
08-18-2010, 10:31 PM
Had our chances early against a very average Liriano but failed to capitalize again. We let them hang around and hang around and boom, our pitching gives it up. We fight to the end but come up short.

In other words...SAME ****, DIFFERENT DAY.
You can pretty much write the above recap every game against these clowns.

thomas35forever
08-18-2010, 10:32 PM
I would fire Ozzie tonight. His lack of production combined with his whining is not tolerable.

I am tired of my ticket money going towards supporting his talentless sons. This was his team, in his own words.

Wow, I'm glad you're not the GM.

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2010, 10:32 PM
Down to our last bullet. Buehrle, come on down.

It's like Russian Roulette! Only slightly more painful!

OmahaSoxFan
08-18-2010, 10:32 PM
Down to our last bullet. Buehrle, come on down.

Yep, we need a great game from MB tomorrow night to have ANY chance of salvaging this thing... for some reason I am optimistic that he will do well tomorrow, but we will need our bats to come through against Pavano... and that is going to be a challenge for sure for the boys... gotta hope the Sox can bring out some magic tomorrow to avoid the sweep.

Patrick134
08-18-2010, 10:32 PM
This team can't seem to put things together right now. How the heck did our starting rotation forget how to pitch. How come there was no retaliation for last night. This team is mentally weak and it shows. Minnnesota just wants it more.

How come they never want it more come playoff time?

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 10:33 PM
I think we should all collectively take a run around the block to work off the anger. I don't want anyone's liver taking a beating because of this team.

Why am I not overly surprised nothing was done about Young?

JB98
08-18-2010, 10:34 PM
Please. If the Sox can't beat the Twins, how could we expect them to beat the Yankees in the playoffs?

Who said anything about beating the Yankees?

thomas35forever
08-18-2010, 10:34 PM
How come they never want it more come playoff time?

Just beating the Sox and Tigers during the season is good enough for them.

Brian26
08-18-2010, 10:35 PM
Please. If the Sox can't beat the Twins, how could we expect them to beat the Yankees in the playoffs?

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but it is quite possible that the Sox match up better against a team like Texas or the Yankees than the Twins.

Offensively, the Sox are a fast-ball hitting team. We probably would do well against Texas or NYY in a short series as long as our starting pitching didn't wilt under the pressure.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 10:35 PM
Please. If the Sox can't beat the Twins, how could we expect them to beat the Yankees in the playoffs?

I would kill for the chance to find out.

thomas35forever
08-18-2010, 10:35 PM
Who said anything about beating the Yankees?

You. At least you implied they'll play the Yankees in the first round.

spiffie
08-18-2010, 10:35 PM
It is nights like this that will make the champagne taste even sweeter for Sox fans when we watch our team winning the division a little over a month from now.

SoxSpeed22
08-18-2010, 10:35 PM
I think we should all collectively take a run around the block to work off the anger. I don't want anyone's liver taking a beating because of this team.

Why am I not overly surprised nothing was done about Young?Today, there really weren't any good opportunities. The game had to be close, there were runners on, or Young was leading off. I would have rather seen this game be a blowout just for that. Losing by 12 is worth the same as losing by 2.

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2010, 10:36 PM
I think we should all collectively take a run around the block to work off the anger. I don't want anyone's liver taking a beating because of this team.

Why am I not overly surprised nothing was done about Young?

I can run around the world and still have anger left in the tanks.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 10:36 PM
Today, there really weren't any good opportunities. The game had to be close, there were runners on, or Young was leading off. I would have rather seen this game be a blowout just for that.

You know, you're right. It was too close of a game. When it was 5-3, I was hoping for more runs so we could have had the opportunity to try.

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 10:36 PM
I think we should all collectively take a run around the block to work off the anger. I don't want anyone's liver taking a beating because of this team.
I wish I had a punching bag to take out all my stress, but for now running will have to do. Good suggestion by the way.

Why am I not overly surprised nothing was done about Young?
History tends to repeat itself, I guess. Oh well, not the least of our worries.

Anyways, I guess it was better that I had to leave the house for some time because I would have felt like throwing up if I watched through that meltdown. Get'em tomorrow. Season is still very much alive.

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2010, 10:38 PM
It is nights like this that will make the champagne taste even sweeter for Sox fans when we watch our team winning the division a little over a month from now.

Oh they'll be drinking something a month from now, but it probably ain't gonna be champagne.

JB98
08-18-2010, 10:39 PM
You. At least you implied they'll play the Yankees in the first round.

I said nothing about the Sox beating the Yankees.

I said, come October, I'm going to be watching the Twins getting their asses totally blown to bits by New York (again). And I'm going to be thinking, "It should be the White Sox playing in this series."

Unfortunately, this Sox team lacks the stones to take care of the Twins, who are not nearly as good as Ozzie Guillen thinks they are.

Domeshot17
08-18-2010, 10:42 PM
The Twins just want it more. They are executing, players are stepping up, they are getting what they need to to win.

The Sox are just not very good at picking each other up. Gavin better step up soon, guys who do well in July and fall apart in August tend to get labeled like Javy Vazquez. Shelled in the playoffs in 08, Gavin has to toughen up mentally.

Lose Tomorrow and the season is as good as dead.

Rikirk
08-18-2010, 10:43 PM
Ill say it right now...
I do not like our pitching staff as it stands.
We may have 3 decent pitchers...Danks,Floyd and Buhrle....
The rest can be shot into space for all I care.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 10:43 PM
Ill say it right now...
I do not like our pitching staff as it stands.
We may have 3 decent pitchers...Danks,Floyd and Buhrle....
The rest can be shot into space for all I care.

Edwin Jackson? Anyone?

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 10:44 PM
I said nothing about the Sox beating the Yankees.

I said, come October, I'm going to be watching the Twins getting their asses totally blown to bits by New York (again). And I'm going to be thinking, "It should be the White Sox playing in this series."

Unfortunately, this Sox team lacks the stones to take care of the Twins, who are not nearly as good as Ozzie Guillen thinks they are.


I was of the thinking that our team was better than them, but is this the case?

Name one thing we do better than them?

Our pitching has crapped the bed here under the bright lights. That's about the only thing I thought we did better than them.

Pitching is about even.

Rikirk
08-18-2010, 10:46 PM
maybe..

this crap is hard to take...
blah blah blah best pitching staff...
proove it!

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 10:47 PM
Ill say it right now...
I do not like our pitching staff as it stands.
We may have 3 decent pitchers...Danks,Floyd and Buhrle....
The rest can be shot into space for all I care.

For me, Jake Peavy and Edwin Jackson excite me more than those 3.

Woofer
08-18-2010, 10:47 PM
Just gotta get the hell out of Minnesota and hope to make some ground up. Watching these games are giving me an aneurysm.

Slappy
08-18-2010, 10:47 PM
Did I miss Ozzie addressing the press or did he not do it?

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 10:48 PM
Just gotta get the hell out of Minnesota and hope to make some ground up. Watching these games are giving me an aneurysm.

This is exactly how I feel. We have a better chance of beating other teams who aren't stuck in our heads. We need a nice long winning streak right now, although to be honest I don't feel good about playing Baltimore.

veeter
08-18-2010, 10:48 PM
For everyone who thinks Mark Kotsay is the worst hitter in the world, have you been watching AJ for the last two years? He can't get out of his own way. I leave the room when he "hits".

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 10:48 PM
Edwin Jackson? Anyone?
Yeah, I'm surprised he's been ignored. He may just be the stopper we need.

maybe..

this crap is hard to take...
blah blah blah best pitching staff...
proove it!
I don't think anyone thought this rotation was THE best, but rather one of the best in the league. Up until now, they've backed up that claim. Remember our ridiculous stretch where our starters would dish out QS after another?

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2010, 10:49 PM
For everyone who thinks Mark Kotsay is the worst hitter in the world, have you been watching AJ for the last two years? He can't get out of his own way. I leave the room when he "hits".

He hit .300 last year. This is the first year he's really struggled offensively.

Nelfox02
08-18-2010, 10:50 PM
Ill say it right now...
I do not like our pitching staff as it stands.
We may have 3 decent pitchers...Danks,Floyd and Buhrle....
The rest can be shot into space for all I care.


hmmmm, not sure what to say here

John Danks and Floyd have shown at times they can be incredible.......but each of them also has stuff they need to address if they want to become great. As it stands, if both of these guys progress a bit more they are young and solid middle rotation guys

how much more gas does Mark have in the tank? I feared this year would be the downfall of him, and it first it was shaping up that way, but he has rebounded nicely overall and has showed he is still a solid starter

Edwin? great for us so far.....but the jury still has to be out on him.....if he is even half as good as he has been so far he would be incredible in the 5th starter role next year

Peavy is a big concern, and ? at this point, he was healthy at the start of the year and was not good, he started to step up but as he did so did his ailments, culminating in a season ending injury that no one has any idea how he will come back from......he could be ready at or near the start of next year and be 100%........but he could might also never regain that cy young form......and even if he does recover from this injury I think a lot of us question if he has the ability to stay healthy given his delivery.

If Peavy is not the Peavy of 2007 but is at least effective, I say we have a good starting staff, the problem IMO tho would be that we dont have a true ace

DirtySox
08-18-2010, 10:50 PM
For everyone who thinks Mark Kotsay is the worst hitter in the world, have you been watching AJ for the last two years? He can't get out of his own way. I leave the room when he "hits".

AJ sucks too. But he actually has some value defensively. Kotsay has none. I hope I never see either of them in a White Sox uniform again after this season.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 10:52 PM
For everyone who thinks Mark Kotsay is the worst hitter in the world, have you been watching AJ for the last two years? He can't get out of his own way. I leave the room when he "hits".


If AJ comes back to this team next season, I will be miserable for yet one more season.

ChiSoxGirl
08-18-2010, 10:52 PM
For everyone who thinks Mark Kotsay is the worst hitter in the world, have you been watching AJ for the last two years? He can't get out of his own way. I leave the room when he "hits".

It's funny you brought this up. Rongey just mentioned on his postgame show that he loves A.J. to death, but he has been non-existent offensively, yet he never gets any heat from the fans. Really, when is the last time people were hating on A.J. in excess - or at all - around these parts? He had a pretty good game last night, but, last I saw, his OBP was .272!!

Rikirk
08-18-2010, 10:52 PM
Yeah...but Peavys hurt.
Really didnt have a chance to make a name for himself.
...i dont know anymore...i just dont .
This Sox team is just made of massive amounts of fail when it comes to the Twins or when it matters.

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 10:52 PM
AJ sucks too. But he actually has some value defensively. Kotsay has none. I hope I never see either of them in a White Sox uniform again after this season.
I wouldn't mind AJ coming back as a manager, but as a player, I'd think his days a starter are done. Bring in Tyler Flo...Oops, forgot he couldn't catch. And yeah, say no to Mark Kotsay.

Patrick134
08-18-2010, 10:53 PM
It's funny you brought this up. Rongey just mentioned on his postgame show that he loves A.J. to death, but he has been non-existent offensively, yet he never gets any heat from the fans. Really, when's the last time people were hating on A.J. in excess - or at all - around these parts? He had a pretty good game last night, but, last I saw, his OBP was .272!!


I think the combination of pop-ups/ ground outs to 2nd blend together so you don't realize how many you've seen.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 10:53 PM
How many more times will Ozzie get away with telling Sox fans to go **** off?

I just saw his rant right now.

What a tool. I wish his big balls talk would translate to one of his pitchers putting a ball in someone's ear.

shingo10
08-18-2010, 10:54 PM
The Sox shall be fine regardless of what happens tomorrow. No one needs to be reminded that the Indians were 8 games back on September 1 is 2005, then came charging forward. At the end of August I doubt the Sox will be any worse than 5 games back.

Still 3 more with the Twins which means we just have to hang around 3-4 back and we'll have meaningful September games. This thing is gonna go down to the end. Twins pitching is not that great. It really isn't. (Not that ours is any better right now, but still. Just trying to be optimistic.)

DirtySox
08-18-2010, 10:54 PM
I wouldn't mind AJ coming back as a manager, but as a player, I'd think his days a starter are done. Bring in Tyler Flo...Oops, forgot he couldn't catch. And yeah, say no to Mark Kotsay.

Tyler can't hit anymore either it seems.

I hope KW (Hahn?) can pull some rabbits out of hats this offseason.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 10:55 PM
It's funny you brought this up. Rongey just mentioned on his postgame show that he loves A.J. to death, but he has been non-existent offensively, yet he never gets any heat from the fans. Really, when is the last time people were hating on A.J. in excess - or at all - around these parts? He had a pretty good game last night, but, last I saw, his OBP was .272!!

I'm really hating his near-constant antics with his bat after a popup. However, I was firmly in his corner last night with Delmon.

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 10:55 PM
It's funny you brought this up. Rongey just mentioned on his postgame show that he loves A.J. to death, but he has been non-existent offensively, yet he never gets any heat from the fans. Really, when is the last time people were hating on A.J. in excess - or at all - around these parts? He had a pretty good game last night, but, last I saw, his OBP was .272!!
Well it's a different situation. Kotsay is easily replaceable because he usually DHs. AJ is a catcher and he brings the intangibles that Castro may not bring. I can't tell how much of an effect AJ has on our pitching staff but pro-AJ folks will tell me it's very significant.

Tragg
08-18-2010, 10:56 PM
We're playing just poorly in both aspects to lose.
Minny is just better than the Sox.
Or maybe the great clubhouse chemistry provided by bad baseball players and dhs that can play defense will pay off in September.

ChiSoxGirl
08-18-2010, 10:57 PM
Well it's a different situation. Kotsay is easily replaceable because he usually DHs. AJ is a catcher and he brings the intangibles that Castro may not bring. I can't tell how much of an effect AJ has on our pitching staff but pro-AJ folks will tell me it's very significant.

I agree completely. A.J. calls an outstanding game and that alone is enough to want to keep him on the team. If the guys around him can pick it up offensively, the black hole that is his spot in the lineup won't be so glaring.

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 10:57 PM
Tyler can't hit anymore either it seems.
I'm reserving my judgement until he keeps it up for another season. He's never had this much trouble hitting in his time in the minors, so it may just be an aberration. Though I must admit, his skyrocketing K rate is very concerning. Still, he still brings power and adequate patience. He may have some use for the Sox in the future.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 10:57 PM
It's funny you brought this up. Rongey just mentioned on his postgame show that he loves A.J. to death, but he has been non-existent offensively, yet he never gets any heat from the fans. Really, when is the last time people were hating on A.J. in excess - or at all - around these parts? He had a pretty good game last night, but, last I saw, his OBP was .272!!


Uribe played a much better defense for his position than AJ has ever done for his, but do your remembe how bad Sox fans rode Uribe out of town?

Our fanbase gets caught up in this "folk hero" nonesense it gets quite emberassing at times. I know some fans who still think nothing is wrong with Bobby Jenks.

kevingrt
08-18-2010, 10:58 PM
We're playing just poorly in both aspects to lose.
Minny is just better than the Sox.
Or maybe the great clubhouse chemistry provided by bad baseball players and dhs that can play defense will pay off in September.

Cannot agree more. The more I watch these two teams go at each other it seems just plain and simple that the Twinkies are better and come through in more important situations then the Sox do. Kind of plain and simple. But painfully plain and simple.

Rikirk
08-18-2010, 10:59 PM
Should I say this or are you all gonna throw stuff at me.

This team needs a reboot....top to bottom. Probobly anger talking here but the first guy id launch is Oz.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 10:59 PM
The Sox shall be fine regardless of what happens tomorrow. No one needs to be reminded that the Indians were 8 games back on September 1 is 2005, then came charging forward. At the end of August I doubt the Sox will be any worse than 5 games back.

Still 3 more with the Twins which means we just have to hang around 3-4 back and we'll have meaningful September games. This thing is gonna go down to the end. Twins pitching is not that great. It really isn't. (Not that ours is any better right now, but still. Just trying to be optimistic.)


How did those Indians do in that post season?

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 11:00 PM
Should I say this or are you all gonna throw stuff at me.

This team needs a reboot....top to bottom. Probobly anger talking here but the first guy id launch is Oz.

All the shaking up management talk seemed to cool off when we were winning. Now it's back again and I think it's a valid issue.

Nelfox02
08-18-2010, 11:00 PM
I agree completely. A.J. calls an outstanding game and that alone is enough to want to keep him on the team. If the guys around him can pick it up offensively, the black hole that is his spot in the lineup won't be so glaring.


Not sure where I stand with AJ, sometimes after watching him flounder painfully at the plate I cant wait for him to be gone, thanks for the great memories.........but then I shudder to think about the idea of Flowers as our starting catcher...........I have a feeling he is back next year

kevingrt
08-18-2010, 11:00 PM
Uribe played a much better defense for his position than AJ has ever done for his, but do your remembe how bad Sox fans rode Uribe out of town?

Our fanbase gets caught up in this "folk hero" nonesense it gets quite emberassing at times. I know some fans who still think nothing is wrong with Bobby Jenks.

There are more intangibles in catching that 99% of fans cannot see (including myself) then in playing SS, such as handling a pitching staff, controlling the tempo of the game, and commanding the strike zone.

That being said AJ has been god awful at the plate this year and recently especially (minus last night). It's pretty awful. But I don't think Castro or Flowers would cure all our ills right now. Especially considering our offense has not be necessarily letting us down lately.

october23sp
08-18-2010, 11:00 PM
Blame Gavin.

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 11:00 PM
Uribe played a much better defense for his position than AJ has ever done for his, but do your remembe how bad Sox fans rode Uribe out of town?

Our fanbase gets caught up in this "folk hero" nonesense it gets quite emberassing at times. I know some fans who still think nothing is wrong with Bobby Jenks.
I've been told many times strongly before that catcher is the single most impotant position in terms of defense, so it makes sense people are willing to stand by AJ. Besides, Uribe was losing range at short and his bat was just too inconsistent for anyone to stomach through for another season. AJ has been consistent with the bat and his defense remains solid.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:01 PM
Should I say this or are you all gonna throw stuff at me.

This team needs a reboot....top to bottom. Probobly anger talking here but the first guy id launch is Oz.


I don't think you are way too off on that.

How much longer will JR go with dropping $1 million for medicore results?

JB98
08-18-2010, 11:01 PM
Uribe played a much better defense for his position than AJ has ever done for his, but do your remembe how bad Sox fans rode Uribe out of town?

Our fanbase gets caught up in this "folk hero" nonesense it gets quite emberassing at times. I know some fans who still think nothing is wrong with Bobby Jenks.

I own an A.J. Pierzynski replica jersey, but I'm furious with his poor offensive approach this year. I've "exiled" him in my last three TBGRs, IIRC.

I don't know where this "folk hero" claim comes from. Our fan base is no different from any other in that regard.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:03 PM
There are more intangibles in catching that 99% of fans cannot see (including myself) then in playing SS, such as handling a pitching staff, controlling the tempo of the game, and commanding the strike zone.

That being said AJ has been god awful at the plate this year and recently especially (minus last night). It's pretty awful. But I don't think Castro or Flowers would cure all our ills right now. Especially considering our offense has not be necessarily letting us down lately.


Jorge Posada and Victor Martinez both suck at all these intangibles you talk about but yet their respective pitchers pitch pretty well and their teams win.

Intangibles for a Catcher are overrated.

Next arguement.

SoxSpeed22
08-18-2010, 11:03 PM
:rowand
"Folk hero, my ass."
Though I can't think of anyone else to catch for next year.

arKnaD7
08-18-2010, 11:04 PM
I missed the game, kind of glad I did. Although it looks like it was entertaining, I would have been very upset at the end.

I think tomorrows game is as close to a must win as you can get this early in the season.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 11:04 PM
I missed the game, kind of glad I did. Although it looks like it was entertaining, I would have been very upset at the end.

I think tomorrows game is as close to a must win as you can get this early in the season.

I think tonight was a must win. Tomorrow is...I dunno. Tonight was pretty crucial.

DirtySox
08-18-2010, 11:05 PM
I agree completely. A.J. calls an outstanding game and that alone is enough to want to keep him on the team. If the guys around him can pick it up offensively, the black hole that is his spot in the lineup won't be so glaring.

There is no excuse for the level of black hole AJ has been this year. Not even if he was an elite defensive catcher (which he isn't). Not to mention his petulant child act of slamming bats, helmets, and pouting. It's rather embarrassing.

Any veteran catcher can do what AJ does, likely with some sort of offensive contribution as well. I will gag if he is resigned. It's time to part ways.

AnkleSox
08-18-2010, 11:06 PM
I'm glad my cable went out and I was forced to watch Simpsons DVDs.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:06 PM
I own an A.J. Pierzynski replica jersey, but I'm furious with his poor offensive approach this year. I've "exiled" him in my last three TBGRs, IIRC.

I don't know where this "folk hero" claim comes from. Our fan base is no different from any other in that regard.


I don't associate with too many people from other fanbases. Other than Cub Fans. Cub Fans worship any floating turd found at their urinal, so I don't take anthing back from them worth observing.

Nelfox02
08-18-2010, 11:09 PM
Should I say this or are you all gonna throw stuff at me.

This team needs a reboot....top to bottom. Probobly anger talking here but the first guy id launch is Oz.


Werent a lot of us saying similiar things to this last year as the wheels fell off this team? wasnt the sentiment basically "man not even the Sox will waste what could be the best pitching staff in the league by trotting out a suspect line up next year"

but then look what happened----the pierre move was fine once it became clear that Pods inital contract demands were out of line, but getting Teahen, then keeping Kotsay, adding Jones, Vizquel......telling Thome no thanks.....

I am just not optimistic about seeing a major cleanhouse/philosphy change this offseason......hope I am wrong

Rikirk
08-18-2010, 11:10 PM
Are the Twins just that much better than us?
Are they just on a hot streak and we are in a slump?
...or are we really this bad?

God Almighty when will you please give us a decent baseball team?

Lip Man 1
08-18-2010, 11:11 PM
A.J.'s situation is going to be interesting to watch.

Have been told by some in the media he's an absolute "mess" because of his contract situation. Have been told by some with the Sox that he avoids confrontation at all costs even to the point of how he blocks (or doesn't block) the plate. They also mentioned what he did with the Barrett incident and last night with Young.

He does seem to handle the pitchers well though and as others have mentioned the Sox apparently don't have a lot of options.

Does anyone have a list of any possible free agent catchers for next year...just wondering who may be available.

Lip

thomas35forever
08-18-2010, 11:11 PM
God Almighty when will you please give us a decent baseball team?

He gave it to us five years ago.

Rikirk
08-18-2010, 11:13 PM
Yes I know but im greedy.

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 11:13 PM
Are the Twins just that much better than us?
Are they just on a hot streak and we are in a slump?
...or are we really this bad?
A little combination of all three, I'd say. Still, don't be so down. Tomorrow, tomorrow will be differ...Ah **** it, I need me some Smirnoff.

God Almighty when will you please give us a decent baseball team?
We are a decent team...in the National League...

JB98
08-18-2010, 11:13 PM
I don't associate with too many people from other fanbases. Other than Cub Fans. Cub Fans worship any floating turd found at their urinal, so I don't take anthing back from them worth observing.

Fair enough.

But you have to understand there are going to be segments of the fan base that are always going to love guys like Konerko, Pierzynski, Buehrle and Jenks no matter what. These guys have been on the team for many, many years, and people feel a connection to them -- even though it is completely irrational.

Some fans are going to be reluctant to see those guys go -- even if there are valid baseball and/or financial reasons for the team to part ways with one or more of those players at the end of the season.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:14 PM
Are the Twins just that much better than us?
Are they just on a hot streak and we are in a slump?
...or are we really this bad?

God Almighty when will you please give us a decent baseball team?


The Twins have a lot more going for them than us. New ballpark, sell outs every night, strong farm system, great manager, two MVPs to go along as good a line up as you will see in baseball.

Their pitching is not great, but all of a sudden ours is one level below theirs during their hot run.

Situation not good.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 11:14 PM
He gave it to us five years ago.

And two years ago...kind of.

thomas35forever
08-18-2010, 11:15 PM
And three years ago...kind of.

'07 was a bad year for us. I assume you mean two years ago.

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 11:16 PM
'07 was a bad year for us. I assume you mean two years ago.

Yeah....oops. :redface:

shingo10
08-18-2010, 11:16 PM
How did those Indians do in that post season?


Point is they climbed back into the race and put themselves in a real good position. That's what I hope the Sox can do.

Coops4Aces
08-18-2010, 11:17 PM
Liriano 5 IP, 6H, 5 ER, 4 BB, 5 K
Floyd 5.1 IP, 10 H, 7 ER, 3 BB, 5K

Both starters struggled. Gardy took Liriano out after 5 and Ozzie sent Floyd out to pitch the sixth and give up 3 runs in the process of getting one out. Ballgame.

Yup, I've said it before and I sound like a broken record, but Ozzie sucks at handling a pitching staff.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:17 PM
Fair enough.

But you have to understand there are going to be segments of the fan base that are always going to love guys like Konerko, Pierzynski, Buehrle and Jenks no matter what. These guys have been on the team for many, many years, and people feel a connection to them -- even though it is completely irrational.

Some fans are going to be reluctant to see those guys go -- even if there are valid baseball and/or financial reasons for the team to part ways with one or more of those players at the end of the season.

I agree with this.

Fair enough.

I was more responding kind of to the crowd on this board. I think this board has very smart baseball fans who know more than the casual guy. This is why it surprises me when a few folks get all emotional when moves are made and their favorite guys get moved.

There is only one guy in my lifetime I regret him not finishing his career here and that was Frank Thomas.

SoxSpeed22
08-18-2010, 11:20 PM
Does anyone have a list of any possible free agent catchers for next year...just wondering who may be available.

LipNothing to be excited about
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/05/potential-free-agents-for-2011.html
Take Ross out. He got a 2 year extension.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:21 PM
Yup, I've said it before and I sound like a broken record, but Ozzie sucks at handling a pitching staff.


With the bullpen situation the way it is, Ozzie is begging for 1 extra inning frome each of his starters going forward.

Starter need to go 7 or 8 innings with the current bullpen situation.

I don't blame Ozzie for us now being thin on pitching. Jenks' issues have put this team in a very bad situation here down the stretch.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:23 PM
Nothing to be excited about
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/05/potential-free-agents-for-2011.html
Take Ross out. He got a 2 year extension.

Miguel Olivo and John Buck get a call from me before a consider AJ coming back.

DirtySox
08-18-2010, 11:25 PM
miguel olivo and john buck get a call from me before a consider aj coming back.

+1

ndgt10
08-18-2010, 11:26 PM
More than half way there to being 9.5 games back again :D:

Final nail in the coffin will be struck by the Twins tomm,

They just flat out own us. We are their whipping boys.

Rikirk
08-18-2010, 11:27 PM
Miguel Olivo?....The guy who likes to start fights with us?
.....i dunno...

GoGoCrede
08-18-2010, 11:28 PM
Miguel Olivo?....The guy who likes to start fights with us?
.....i dunno...

That was hilarious. Who was it against, Carrasco? AJ had to hold Olivo back and he ended up getting hit.

russ99
08-18-2010, 11:28 PM
I don't see any quit in this team, and our lineup put us in a position to win both games.

The problem is our young starters were expected to step up and failed miserably even when we scratched out a lead and then couldn't get us into the 7th.

If Danks and Floyd lay such an egg in a playoff atmosphere then maybe our pitching isn't plain good enough.

Coops4Aces
08-18-2010, 11:28 PM
With the bullpen situation the way it is, Ozzie is begging for 1 extra inning frome each of his starters going forward.

Starter need to go 7 or 8 innings with the current bullpen situation.

I don't blame Ozzie for us now being thin on pitching. Jenks' issues have put this team in a very bad situation here down the stretch.

Pena was rested and good to go. This game was too important for squeezing innings out of a pitcher who doesn't have his **** together.

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 11:31 PM
I don't see any quit in this team, and our lineup put us in a position to win both games.

The problem is our young starters were expected to step up and failed miserably even when we scratched out a lead and couldn't get us into the 7th.

If Danks and Floyd lay such an egg in a playoff atmosphere then maybe our pitching isn't plain good enough.
God I surely hope this is just a slump by Danks and Floyd because I don't want any more of this soft mentality bull**** that's been plaguing us. Oh and our offense may have scored 5 runs, but they could have done so much more. We need to clobber other pitchers when they don't have it. Not getting runners in with less than 2 outs is bad no matter how you slice it.

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 11:32 PM
Pena was rested and good to go. This game was too important for squeezing innings out of a pitcher who doesn't have his **** together.
Are you serious? Pena? He would have **** the bed and a lot of folks would have grabbed their pitchfolks and torches, demanding Ozzie's head for "overmanaging."

russ99
08-18-2010, 11:33 PM
Pena was rested and good to go. This game was too important for squeezing innings out of a pitcher who doesn't have his **** together.

The same Pena that gave up 4 runs to the Tigers this weekend, no thanks.

The starters didn't get the job done.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:33 PM
Pena was rested and good to go. This game was too important for squeezing innings out of a pitcher who doesn't have his **** together.


Come on, listen to yourself.

You have more faith in Pena than Gavin for one inning?


Pena has been a ****ing gas can lately. Trust me, Guillen brings that guy in and he would have been roasted.

Guillen just can't win here. And I'm a guy who wants his ass gone too. Tired of the bull**** he speaks.

DirtySox
08-18-2010, 11:35 PM
Are you serious? Pena? He would have **** the bed and a lot of folks would have grabbed their pitchfolks and torches, demanding Ozzie's head for "overmanaging."

Pretty much. I don't trust Pena in high leverage situations. I think he will be non-tendered after this season.

Bucky F. Dent
08-18-2010, 11:38 PM
Liriano 5 IP, 6H, 5 ER, 4 BB, 5 K
Floyd 5.1 IP, 10 H, 7 ER, 3 BB, 5K

Both starters struggled. Gardy took Liriano out after 5 and Ozzie sent Floyd out to pitch the sixth and give up 3 runs in the process of getting one out. Ballgame.

As poorly as our bullpen has been pitching, I completely understand Ozzie's decision.

TDog
08-18-2010, 11:39 PM
well, no agonizing late drama tonight

if it was not obvious all season, it is clearly obvious now---the Twins are simply the better team. top to bottom I credit the Sox for not rolling over in either game, they battled, but the bottom line is they are simply the inferior team.....

What an interesting off season this will be for this organization.......where do they go with this?

I honestly don't think that's the case. The Twins don't have nearly the pitching the White Sox do, but it is the White Sox pitching that has cost them. Tonight it was the starting pitching that couldn't hold a lead. The last three games -- two against the Tigers -- it was the bullpen that blew a late lead.

The White Sox seem to be catching the Twins at a bad time where they are hitting everything just as the Sox caught the Orioles at a bad time where they were playing well under their new manager. The Orioles seem to have come back to reality on the road, and the Sox will be facing them at the end of their roadtrip.

What strikes me about the Twins is that their two best pitchers aren't getting it done the way they had been earlier in the season. Liriano seems a fairly ordinary pitcher now, not just against the Sox, but against most teams. Pavano isn't going as deep into games to rest their bullpen the way he had been. The great pitching performances the Twins have been getting have been coming from Slowey Duensing and Baker, and consistency isn't their trademark.

And their bullpen seems terribly overworked. Capps isn't looking like the Capps who came over at the trade deadline or the Capps who was pitching so well for the Nationals. He is looking like the 2009 Capps who was non-tendered by the Pirates last December. The Twins still have the best bullpen ERA in the league, even though both Capps and Rauch have ERAs of 9 against the White Sox this week. But as much as they are being used, and as much as Gardenhire seems determined to use them, I don't. Mijares didn't hurt his arm, but he tore something in a knee covering first base. I just don't see how the bullpen can continue to perform at this level.

I don't think there as huge a difference between the White Sox and the Twins as fans are conceding.

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2010, 11:41 PM
I honestly don't think that's the case. The Twins don't have nearly the pitching the White Sox do, but it is the White Sox pitching that has cost them. Tonight it was the starting pitching that couldn't hold a lead. The last three games -- two against the Tigers -- it was the bullpen that blew a late lead.

The White Sox seem to be catching the Twins at a bad time where they are hitting everything just as the Sox caught the Orioles at a bad time where they were playing well under their new manager. The Orioles seem to have come back to reality on the road, and the Sox will be facing them at the end of their roadtrip.

What strikes me about the Twins is that their two best pitchers aren't getting it done the way they had been earlier in the season. Liriano seems a fairly ordinary pitcher now, not just against the Sox, but against most teams. Pavano isn't going as deep into games to rest their bullpen the way he had been. The great pitching performances the Twins have been getting have been coming from Slowey Duensing and Baker, and consistency isn't their trademark.

And their bullpen seems terribly overworked. Capps isn't looking like the Capps who came over at the trade deadline or the Capps who was pitching so well for the Nationals. He is looking like the 2009 Capps who was non-tendered by the Pirates last December. The Twins still have the best bullpen ERA in the league, even though both Capps and Rauch have ERAs of 9 against the White Sox this week. But as much as they are being used, and as much as Gardenhire seems determined to use them, I don't. Mijares didn't hurt his arm, but he tore something in a knee covering first base. I just don't see how the bullpen can continue to perform at this level.

I don't think there as huge a difference between the White Sox and the Twins as fans are conceding.

Well, the biggest difference is that a) the Twins own us and b) the Twins are five games up on us.

Pablo_Honey
08-18-2010, 11:43 PM
Pretty much. I don't trust Pena in high leverage situations. I think he will be non-tendered after this season.
And to think we gave up Brandon Allen for him...Even though Allen's ceiling isn't high, his numbers in AAA this year are looking pretty good.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:43 PM
I honestly don't think that's the case. The Twins don't have nearly the pitching the White Sox do, but it is the White Sox pitching that has cost them. Tonight it was the starting pitching that couldn't hold a lead. The last three games -- two against the Tigers -- it was the bullpen that blew a late lead.

The White Sox seem to be catching the Twins at a bad time where they are hitting everything just as the Sox caught the Orioles at a bad time where they were playing well under their new manager. The Orioles seem to have come back to reality on the road, and the Sox will be facing them at the end of their roadtrip.

What strikes me about the Twins is that their two best pitchers aren't getting it done the way they had been earlier in the season. Liriano seems a fairly ordinary pitcher now, not just against the Sox, but against most teams. Pavano isn't going as deep into games to rest their bullpen the way he had been. The great pitching performances the Twins have been getting have been coming from Slowey Duensing and Baker, and consistency isn't their trademark.

And their bullpen seems terribly overworked. Capps isn't looking like the Capps who came over at the trade deadline or the Capps who was pitching so well for the Nationals. He is looking like the 2009 Capps who was non-tendered by the Pirates last December. The Twins still have the best bullpen ERA in the league, even though both Capps and Rauch have ERAs of 9 against the White Sox this week. But as much as they are being used, and as much as Gardenhire seems determined to use them, I don't. Mijares didn't hurt his arm, but he tore something in a knee covering first base. I just don't see how the bullpen can continue to perform at this level.

I don't think there as huge a difference between the White Sox and the Twins as fans are conceding.


You must have the wrong guy there.

Francisco's ERA has been dropping every single month. From a 5.15 in May to 3.82 June, 2.97 July, 2.60 August.

He's actually one of the hottest pitchers in baseball right now.

I was actually shocked we got to him today.

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:44 PM
And to think we gave up Brandon Allen for him...Even though Allen's ceiling isn't high, his numbers in AAA this year are looking pretty good.


Brandon Allen would be playing behind Kotsay. So no big loss there.

Coops4Aces
08-18-2010, 11:50 PM
You guys are right. No to Pena, yes to either Linebrink or Sale in the 6th. Floyd just didn't have "it".

LoveYourSuit
08-18-2010, 11:53 PM
You guys are right. No to Pena, yes to either Linebrink or Sale in the 6th. Floyd just didn't have "it".

Anyone not named Putz or Thornton would have pissed every Sox fan off.

And you were not going to bring either one in for the 6th inning.

The bullpen situation is a horror story right now.

Coops4Aces
08-18-2010, 11:58 PM
Anyone not named Putz or Thornton would have pissed every Sox fan off.

And you were not going to bring either one in for the 6th inning.

The bullpen situation is a horror story right now.
What? :scratch::scratch:

Fans get pissed when Sale comes in? The guy is money. Did you see him against Mauer. Wowzers!

Crooked Number
08-19-2010, 12:05 AM
The Sox shall be fine regardless of what happens tomorrow. No one needs to be reminded that the Indians were 8 games back on September 1 is 2005, then came charging forward. At the end of August I doubt the Sox will be any worse than 5 games back.

Still 3 more with the Twins which means we just have to hang around 3-4 back and we'll have meaningful September games. This thing is gonna go down to the end. Twins pitching is not that great. It really isn't. (Not that ours is any better right now, but still. Just trying to be optimistic.)


I agree with this statement. This is similar to what i posted in last nights post game thread. One game at a time. These last two weeks have been a nightmare, but this baseball season is not over. Everyone should keep in mind that recent American League Central baseball has the possibility of going down to the very last game.

Of course it isn't looking good, the Sox have been abysmal in August. However, just as quickly they have plummeted, they can turn it right around and rattle off a seven to ten game win streak. Do i think they can do it again? Yes, its possible. Just going to have to wait and see. To keep declaring that the season is over after every loss just isn't true. That is a good way to frustrate the hell out of yourself though. Got to have a short memory with this game we all love. Go get em tomorrow. Start there.

LoveYourSuit
08-19-2010, 12:07 AM
What? :scratch::scratch:

Fans get pissed when Sale comes in? The guy is money. Did you see him against Mauer. Wowzers!

Sale is money? :?:

He's pitched what, in 4 games?

mcsoxfan
08-19-2010, 12:11 AM
Pena was rested and good to go. This game was too important for squeezing innings out of a pitcher who doesn't have his **** together.

What Pena are you talking about?
This guy comes into a game and consistently gives up runs

tstrike2000
08-19-2010, 12:14 AM
The usual late August/September crap replaying itself over and over again.

soxlady8
08-19-2010, 12:15 AM
This is a good team. Really , it is.

They were firing on all cylinders for awhile , and now they went flat.

Today there was hitting , but Gavin was not at his best.
There were times when there was no hitting, but the starting pitching was great. Then there were times when the hitting and starting pitching worked, but the bullpen failed. Can't it just all click so nicely again and be cohesive?

I do believe that the Twins really aren't that GREAT.
Why are the Sox so afraid of them?

White Sox baseball... it's mentally weak...

Carneyman14
08-19-2010, 12:17 AM
White Sox baseball, Scoring just enough runs to lose since last week :scratch:

RadioheadRocks
08-19-2010, 12:18 AM
White Sox baseball, Scoring just enough runs to lose since last week :scratch:


Well two weeks anyway.

chisoxfanatic
08-19-2010, 12:29 AM
I didn't get to watch this one (was at my boyfriend's men's league baseball game), but I think the reason AJ gets a "free pass" from so many Sox fans is because of the intangeables he has brought to the team the past several years. There are tons of heads-up plays he's executed that not many other ball players would even think of. That will lead to a fan's inability to really criticise him for the weak offensive season he's had this season.

Dibbs
08-19-2010, 12:51 AM
Each passing day the Hudson/Jackson trade looks worse and worse. We could really fill some holes with that lost $8 million next year. Not to mention Hudson could easily be the better pitcher next year.

Also, it still blows my mind Kotsay has way more at bats than Jones on the year. Now, I realize Jones has been bad too, but at least he is dangerous from a power perspective. He would have 25+ homers if he was playing more regularly.

Anyway, I really don't see us coming back and winning the division. Tomorrow's game is very important if we plan on staying in this race.

russ99
08-19-2010, 01:11 AM
Each passing day the Hudson/Jackson trade looks worse and worse. We could really fill some holes with that lost $8 million next year. Not to mention Hudson could easily be the better pitcher next year.

Also, it still blows my mind Kotsay has way more at bats than Jones on the year. Now, I realize Jones has been bad too, but at least he is dangerous from a power perspective. He would have 25+ homers if he was playing more regularly.

Anyway, I really don't see us coming back and winning the division. Tomorrow's game is very important if we plan on staying in this race.

Gotta disagree with the first two points.

Hudson's a prospect, Jackson's a big leaguer with potentially dominant stuff that he flashed at Saturday's game. And I really think that's going to make a bigger impact on next season than an extra $8M. Damon signed for $8M, it won't go as far as you think to fill holes, unless it's for Jones and Kotsay cut-rate guys again. And with the non-tender and FAs, Kenny will still have lots to spend unless Jerry cuts payroll, and he'll be very creative in trades.

Jones may have had 25 homers with Kotsay's at-bat totals, but he'd probably have 150 Ks and that lovely .220 average. Homers aren't everything... That's not to say I prefer Kotsay, just that other options should have been acquired when it was obvious things weren't working.

Still 40 games left and a lot can happen. Hopefully we have a September hot streak left in us. I just hope we can beat Pavano tomorrow and leave Minnesota with something positive. Besides, I can't stand that guy, he's the epitome of lucky Twins soft-tossers.

Bob Roarman
08-19-2010, 02:33 AM
I didn't get to watch this one (was at my boyfriend's men's league baseball game), but I think the reason AJ gets a "free pass" from so many Sox fans is because of the intangeables he has brought to the team the past several years. There are tons of heads-up plays he's executed that not many other ball players would even think of. That will lead to a fan's inability to really criticise him for the weak offensive season he's had this season.

It shouldn't though. He hasn't just been weak, he's been one of the worst hitters in the league.

kufram
08-19-2010, 02:42 AM
We are 5 games behind the Twins right now. About 3 weeks ago we were 4 1/2 up on them I believe. I wonder if their fan base, well at least some of them, were calling for heads and panicking, ready to write off the season. The players may have the Twins in their heads but who's to judge because the fans certainly do.

We caught the Twins when they were very hot and nobody has beat them in a while. We lost two very close games which is heartbreaking but not season breaking as yet. True, we need a hot streak and for them to cool off. It doesn't look good, but it looked worse in the early summer. All this talk about mental strength, no heart. I don't think the team has given up. They've had some problems and Bobby going down has created a sudden, huge hole but a lot of people wanted rid of him. So they got that. Now we need him back and closing games like he can. I don't know if we'll get it, but that is what we need.

guillensdisciple
08-19-2010, 02:44 AM
Just so you guys know, and Rong pointed this out on the post game show- the Sox are top 4 in every offensive category since August began. And in the bottom of the league in every pitching category.

So before you crucify Ozzie for being a jackass with his hitting and JIm Thome this and Jim Thome that, recognize that most of this comes from the annual bullpen suck fest and starter ball sack blow up.

Mentally, I have seen this bullpen of the God's screw up summer after summer, and Danks and Floyd wet their pants like they're 4. Lets see if Marky Mark has any balls, or if this team is going to lay down and take it.

It's time folks, it's time to nut up and strap this **** down. Enough is enough, respect yourself for the love of God. The Twins are not great, there is a way to beat them. Do not fear them, make them fear you. Their schedule gets dirty for a while now. keep it close, win tomorrow, and continue winning when you need to and you'll see yourself in a can do situation when Minnesota comes to town in September.

Keep the faith Sox fans, keep the faith. ****, **** seems bleak as hell, and God knows how many times I have given up in the past two days. I keep on getting dragged back though, because every time I open up that closet I see the shirts, and the gear hanging there reminding me that my team needs me. **** the Twins, **** their fanbase, **** everything they stand for- I am not afraid of them, I do not fear the crap they trot out there. The White Sox need to realize that they are in control of their own destiny.

I believe.

Dan H
08-19-2010, 03:42 AM
The Twins starrting pitching is worse than the Sox, and while they play 4 at texas next week, we host the orioles for 3. If the sox win tomorrow, they'll be back in first within 10 days.

This is a trip to fantasy land. Season is over, has been over. All I heard is that the Sox had their best pitchers going. And they've lost even with a good offensive showing. This is what you call a Chicago style baseball collapse.

Bobby Jenks
08-19-2010, 05:22 AM
To me, ramirez's bad throw home to try to get Thome is kind of the highlight of why the Twins beat us. A good throw to the plate would've gotten Thome. The safer play would've been to take the sure out. That is a big reason why we can't afford to get into a beanball war. We simply aren't pitching well enough to handle extra base runners.

soxinem1
08-19-2010, 07:03 AM
The Twins starrting pitching is worse than the Sox, and while they play 4 at texas next week, we host the orioles for 3. If the sox win tomorrow, they'll be back in first within 10 days.

BAL has given us fits. I'm not sure if this is a blessing or not.

We did give KC payback last time we played them at The Cell, maybe we can do the same this time.

The irony is that MIN is playing like world beaters WITHOUT Morneau.

Then again, we have been playing without Quentin most of the year, except for the three weeks he showed up to hit.

If he shows up again, maybe we have a chance.

LITTLE NELL
08-19-2010, 07:13 AM
If we win tonight we still have a chance but if we lose I don't think this team has the mental toughness to comeback and win the division.
They have lost 2 tough games to their constant tormentors, lets see what they have left.

PS If we don't win the division, its time for Ozzie to go after his latest rant. Its getting old.

markopat
08-19-2010, 08:08 AM
The White Sox need to realize that they are in control of their own destiny.

I believe.


I think I will go this route.........Thanks GD

Red Barchetta
08-19-2010, 08:46 AM
This team can't seem to put things together right now. How the heck did our starting rotation forget how to pitch. How come there was no retaliation for last night. This team is mentally weak and it shows. Minnnesota just wants it more.

This is where the loss of Peavy really comes into play. Regardless of his record, early season struggles, etc., he always wanted the ball in situations like this. Even if Jackson posts a solid W-L record in his absence, it's Peavy's competitive toughness that led the staff. He's probably shaking his head watching San Diego right now.

On the bright side, Sale looked good...

Gavin
08-19-2010, 08:46 AM
The White Sox have never been this awful in their last ten games all season. Until now, of course.

http://i34.tinypic.com/35biduh.jpg

hawkjt
08-19-2010, 10:17 AM
A very tough week and a half for the Sox. Twins have gained 6.5 games on the Sox in the last ten games. If the Sox only had two weeks left in the season,it would be over,probably.

But, the Sox have over 26% of the season left. 42 games. Stranger things have happened for the Sox to gain 6.5 games on the Twins in the next ten. Start tonite.

As has been said, claw back to within a couple of games by labor day. If they win tonite,that means picking up a game/week the next two weeks.
Then when the Twins come back to Chicago..beat them.
Baseball, the ultimate game of streaks...the worm will turn on the Twins and the Sox, it always does.

I like that the offense is hitting better this week. The pitching will come back to form vs the Royals and O's...and if the hitting is there, we can make up some ground the next ten.

I ain't going anywhere...September is when men are made and teams stand up.

October26
08-19-2010, 10:36 AM
A very tough week and a half for the Sox. Twins have gained 6.5 games on the Sox in the last ten games. If the Sox only had two weeks left in the season,it would be over,probably.

But, the Sox have over 26% of the season left. 42 games. Stranger things have happened for the Sox to gain 6.5 games on the Twins in the next ten. Start tonite.

As has been said, claw back to within a couple of games by labor day. If they win tonite,that means picking up a game/week the next two weeks.
Then when the Twins come back to Chicago..beat them.
Baseball, the ultimate game of streaks...the worm will turn on the Twins and the Sox, it always does.

I like that the offense is hitting better this week. The pitching will come back to form vs the Royals and O's...and if the hitting is there, we can make up some ground the next ten.

I ain't going anywhere...September is when men are made and teams stand up.


:thumbsup: This. You offer hope and I need it right about now. I'm also numb and so tired after watching the Sox - Twins games over the last couple of weeks. For some reason, they seem more exhausting to me than games against other teams. Enjoyed reading everyone's posts (good or bad) over the last few days. I don't always have time to be on the gamethreads or post daily. But I'm feeling dejected just like every other Sox fan.

I've been a Sox fan along time and I'm also not going anywhere. I would really like to see Mark Buerhle and the Sox play a solid, fundamental game tonight. (pitching, hitting and defense)

We need a win! Go Sox!