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SephClone89
08-06-2010, 09:06 PM
Oh well. That kind of sucked.

october23sp
08-06-2010, 09:06 PM
:angry: The ****ing Orioles.

johnnyg83
08-06-2010, 09:06 PM
One run of off bergeson is criminal.

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:06 PM
No one else want to start this? Can't say I blame them. These are the kinds of games you HAVE to win in order to win the division.

BadBobbyJenks
08-06-2010, 09:07 PM
What a blah game. You have to win that game, just brutal.

ndgt10
08-06-2010, 09:07 PM
Tip your cap to the O's pitching staff, they were fantastic.

Patrick134
08-06-2010, 09:07 PM
I realize Pena had done great earlier bailing out Sale. But you don't have the same reliever facing the same guys twice in huge situations.

...
08-06-2010, 09:07 PM
:slowclap:

manders_01
08-06-2010, 09:08 PM
I honestly a bit shocked we just lost to the Orioles. :o:

Oh well. Get 'em tomorrow boys!

And please Cleveland hold on! :praying: :redneck

october23sp
08-06-2010, 09:08 PM
What a blah game. You have to win that game, just brutal.

Cy Bergeson.

ZombieRob
08-06-2010, 09:08 PM
Tried to stay away from the Kotsay Bashing, but, ****. He really fell asleep at 3rd. Marc Hill scores on that.

whitesox4eva
08-06-2010, 09:08 PM
:shakehead::shakehead:

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:08 PM
What a blah game. You have to win that game, just brutal.

The past two games we have not been pretty. If we can't beat ****ing Baltimore I am horrified as to how we'll do against Minnesota.

guillensdisciple
08-06-2010, 09:08 PM
Ozzie was managing to look ahead, and it's smart, but only if we continue to win and our bullpen produces. We are playing without rest for another week and a half so Ozzie did the right thing.

Hitting did nothing tonight. Could have picked up a game. Have to hope Cleveland can keep the lead.

...
08-06-2010, 09:08 PM
Tip your cap to the O's pitching staff, they were fantastic.

Except that, in reality, they are the exact opposite of fantastic.

Konerkoholic
08-06-2010, 09:08 PM
What a blah game. You have to win that game, just brutal.
Time to update the sig. Back-to-back Cys for Bergesen, no?

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:09 PM
Oh well. That kind of sucked.

Kind of?

No, it sucked big time.

Your #1 pitcher vs a guy with a 6.26 ERA. Pure crap.

chisoxfanatic
08-06-2010, 09:09 PM
What the **** was that? A great outing from Danks wasted.

JohnnyInnsbrook
08-06-2010, 09:09 PM
Can't win em all... get em tomorrow.

Coops4Aces
08-06-2010, 09:09 PM
Maybe the guys went out on the town a bit last night? Offense was abysmal.

october23sp
08-06-2010, 09:09 PM
This series has scared me for a while. Baltimore is a ****ty place.

SephClone89
08-06-2010, 09:10 PM
Kind of?

No, it sucked big time.

Your #1 pitcher vs a guy with a 6.26 ERA. Pure crap.

Was it really necessary to "call me out" there?

:rolleyes:

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:10 PM
Tried to stay away from the Koatsay Bashing, but, ****. He really fell asleep at 3rd. Marc Hill scores on that.

That was a pitiful display of base running. But the whole offense didn't show up against a guy with a ****ing six ERA. Pitiful. A nice chance to pick up a game and we didn't do it.

JB98
08-06-2010, 09:10 PM
Baltimore is getting the typical "new manager bump." This is a dangerous series. I hate when the Sox play against these bad teams. Kansas City, Cleveland and Baltimore give the Sox fits.

The Orioles have been tough to beat for years because Roberts and Markakis always hit well against the Sox. Tonight, no exception.

...
08-06-2010, 09:11 PM
Was it really necessary to "call me out" there?

:rolleyes:

:whiner:

Konerkoholic
08-06-2010, 09:11 PM
Can't win em all... get em tomorrow.

Can't win 'em all, but beat Bergesen.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:11 PM
What the **** was that? A great outing from Danks wasted.

As a team, we have not been wasting too many quality starts lately.

But they do add up. Those in April and May plus one like tonight, we should have about an 8-9 game lead in the central right now.

AlexRios51
08-06-2010, 09:12 PM
The ****ING ORIOLES really, the only thing that could calm me down is a Twins Loss. Beyond ****ing pathetic "THE ****ING ORIOLES"!!!!!!!!

canOcorn
08-06-2010, 09:12 PM
Tip your cap to the O's pitching staff, they were fantastic.

:rolling::rolling:

Frankfan4life
08-06-2010, 09:13 PM
Carlos Delgado is starting to look pretty good right now. :(:

Coops4Aces
08-06-2010, 09:13 PM
Tip your cap to the O's pitching staff, they were fantastic.

Umm no. I think I'll go have a drink though

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:13 PM
Was it really necessary to "call me out" there?

:rolleyes:


a bit sensitive?

:?:

Blueprint1
08-06-2010, 09:13 PM
We need to get back to Chicago. We do not hit well at the end of road trips.

...
08-06-2010, 09:14 PM
Carlos Delgado is starting to look pretty good right now. :(:

How about a cardboard cut out of the Babe.

JB98
08-06-2010, 09:14 PM
Carlos Delgado is starting to look pretty good right now. :(:

Of course, Kotsay was one of the few to hit the ball with authority tonight. Him and Beckham were the offense, what little there was.

Tragg
08-06-2010, 09:14 PM
you leave a middle reliever in there long enough, he's going to give up a run.
Rough start for the first round draft choice middle reliever.
Orioles made Danks work. Sox hitters didnt make their pitcher work nearly as hard.

Jollyroger2
08-06-2010, 09:14 PM
Freaking people in this park celebrating like they won the Series....apparently Showalter is incredible and the Orioles are now going to go on a 50-12 run.

Getting shut down by this sad-sack team and a pitcher with a 6+ ERA....how freaking embarrassing can you get...

...
08-06-2010, 09:15 PM
a bit sensitive?

:?:

It's called tiny **** syndrome.

CHISOXFAN13
08-06-2010, 09:16 PM
Tried to stay away from the Kotsay Bashing, but, ****. He really fell asleep at 3rd. Marc Hill scores on that.

The guy made a ****ing barehanded play. It's really pathetic to me that a guy who has hit the ball well in his last two games, and won them one, is getting blasted in a postgame thread when the rest of the offense **** the bed.

Great post.

guillensdisciple
08-06-2010, 09:16 PM
The past two games we have not been pretty. If we can't beat ****ing Baltimore I am horrified as to how we'll do against Minnesota.


Wow, really?

It's one loss, and this time I am willing to tip my hat to the pitcher. Considering how we have been hitting of late, I have trouble believing our hitters have suddenly fallen into slumber. The Twins lost a game to two weeks ago against the Orioles.

Also, don't forget how they are on a roll now with a new manager. The Sox played them well. We need to win the series. Have to walk out of there two games up minimum and sweep the Twins.

Disappointed in Sale and Viciedo. Both showed extremely poor control.

JermaineDye05
08-06-2010, 09:16 PM
Judging by the score, I'm guessing lillibridge and viciedo didn't make as big as a difference as some people thought they would

Konerkoholic
08-06-2010, 09:16 PM
It's called tiny **** syndrome.

Unnecessary.

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:16 PM
Of course, Kotsay was one of the few to hit the ball with authority tonight. Him and Beckham were the offense, what little there was.

It sucks losing games like this. You can spin anyway you want, but in the middle of a pennant race you can't lose games like this to teams like this. Losing a one run game to the Yankees hurts; losing a one run game to a team that is THIRTY EIGHT games under .500 kills.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:17 PM
Of course, Kotsay was one of the few to hit the ball with authority tonight. Him and Beckham were the offense, what little there was.


AJ is starting to worry me.

You can't continue to have your only two LH hitters in the low 200s and not produce.

I want Kotsay gone, but how can you if AJ isn't going to supply anything from the Left Side either.

Frankfan4life
08-06-2010, 09:17 PM
How about a cardboard cut out of the Babe.Position taken.

guillensdisciple
08-06-2010, 09:17 PM
We need to get back to Chicago. We do not hit well at the end of road trips.

We're 3-2, and are on a 1 game losing streak.

What are you talking about?

Hitmen77
08-06-2010, 09:17 PM
The Sox offense facing a "bad" pitcher is never a sure thing. We seem to have more than our share of being "aced" by guys with abysmal records.

Anyone who thought Danks vs. Bergesen was pretty much a sure-thing victory hasn't been paying attention to the Sox track record over the last 5 or 6 years.

Tonight it's Cy Bergesen, but we've had to hand out many "Cy" titles in recent years.

...
08-06-2010, 09:18 PM
Unnecessary.

Do you have x-ray vision?

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:18 PM
Wow, really?

It's one loss, and this time I am willing to tip my hat to the pitcher. Considering how we have been hitting of late, I have trouble believing our hitters have suddenly fallen into slumber. The Twins lost a game to two weeks ago against the Orioles.

Also, don't forget how they are on a roll now with a new manager. The Sox played them well. We need to win the series. Have to walk out of there two games up minimum and sweep the Twins.

Disappointed in Sale and Viciedo. Both showed extremely poor control.

We couldn't slam the door against Detroit yesterday either and today we lost to a team that is 38 games under .500 and a pitcher with a 6 something ERA. You HAVE to win these games. There are precious few excuses for losing games like this.

Nelfox02
08-06-2010, 09:19 PM
I just cant tip my cap to this pitcher, no ****ing way, just cant


there was just a horrible loss, i figured when we had that miracle in the 8th this offense would come out and put a couple big points on the board, something, but no.....more of the same old ****


I feared going into this series we would be looking at a split, now I just hope we dont fall flat and go 1-3........

cmon, Danks mans up big time for this team and the offense pretty much does nothing? Kotsay......great triple, but what the **** happened in the TCM at bat?

Go Indians....there is the other thing, they are trying to give us a gift tonight, and we pull this ****

why do the baseball gods not want us to get 2.5 or more up on the Twins????

JB98
08-06-2010, 09:19 PM
It sucks losing games like this. You can spin anyway you want, but in the middle of a pennant race you can't lose games like this to teams like this. Losing a one run game to the Yankees hurts; losing a one run game to a team that is THIRTY EIGHT games under .500 kills.

Just so you know, the Minnesota Twins have lost three games against Baltimore this season.

SephClone89
08-06-2010, 09:19 PM
It's called tiny **** syndrome.

What the ****, man.

Konerkoholic
08-06-2010, 09:19 PM
Do you have x-ray vision?

You're the one who brought up dicks. I'm saying it was unnecessary for you to do that.

shingo10
08-06-2010, 09:20 PM
It is pretty unreasonable to think that you can beat any major league team EVERY TIME you play them. The O's are a terrible terrible team but they are still a major league club that have talent. You can't just show up and expect to win. Even Seattle beat us once this year. It is however reasonable to think that you should win series against these teams. This is what the Sox need to do. Win the series. Yes this loss sucks but nothing can be done about it now. Win tomorrow.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:20 PM
you leave a middle reliever in there long enough, he's going to give up a run.
Rough start for the first round draft choice middle reliever.
Orioles made Danks work. Sox hitters didnt make their pitcher work nearly as hard.

Bobby's garbage outing yesterday contributed to this.

Santos was not available tonight because he had to bail Bobby out yesterday.

...
08-06-2010, 09:21 PM
You're the one who brought up dicks. I'm saying it was unnecessary for you to do that.

You're the only one who's said dick in this thread.

SephClone89
08-06-2010, 09:21 PM
Do you have x-ray vision?

This "joke" doesn't even work.

X-ray vision to see through...what? The internet doesn't work like that, dude.

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:21 PM
Just so you know, the Minnesota Twins have lost three games against Baltimore this season.

And they have won five. Look, if the Sox can win the next three games fine, but tonight was a piss poor way to start.

Konerkoholic
08-06-2010, 09:21 PM
Bobby's garbage outing yesterday contributed to this.

Santos was not available tonight because he had to bail Bobby out yesterday.

Eh, score 2 runs and win. I'm not sure if the boys could push one accross in 15.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:22 PM
Wow, really?

It's one loss, and this time I am willing to tip my hat to the pitcher. Considering how we have been hitting of late, I have trouble believing our hitters have suddenly fallen into slumber. The Twins lost a game to two weeks ago against the Orioles.

Also, don't forget how they are on a roll now with a new manager. The Sox played them well. We need to win the series. Have to walk out of there two games up minimum and sweep the Twins.

Disappointed in Sale and Viciedo. Both showed extremely poor control.

Wow, really? It's one loss.

Coops4Aces
08-06-2010, 09:22 PM
Freaking people in this park celebrating like they won the Series....apparently Showalter is incredible and the Orioles are now going to go on a 50-12 run.

Getting shut down by this sad-sack team and a pitcher with a 6+ ERA....how freaking embarrassing can you get...

If the O's won out, they would still miss they playoffs. Yikes.

Blueprint1
08-06-2010, 09:22 PM
We're 3-2, and are on a 1 game losing streak.

What are you talking about?

We also did not hit well in oakland on the last trip. Do you remember that?

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:22 PM
It is pretty unreasonable to think that you can beat any major league team EVERY TIME you play them. The O's are a terrible terrible team but they are still a major league club that have talent. You can't just show up and expect to win. Even Seattle beat us once this year. It is however reasonable to think that you should win series against these teams. This is what the Sox need to do. Win the series. Yes this loss sucks but nothing can be done about it now. Win tomorrow.

Maybe I am unreasonable, but I think it's not too much to ask the Sox score more than one run off of a guy with a 6 ERA and win a game when their starter only gives up one in six innings.

...
08-06-2010, 09:23 PM
This joke doesn't even work.

X-ray vision to see through...what? The internet doesn't work like that, dude.

To see through... the asterisks. Dude.

Konerkoholic
08-06-2010, 09:23 PM
You're the only one who's said dick in this thread.

I assumed the language filter would take care of it. You must have meant "tiny nose syndrome."

RadioheadRocks
08-06-2010, 09:23 PM
Can the few individuals involved please take their immature squabble elsewhere before the thread ends up in the ****house???

guillensdisciple
08-06-2010, 09:23 PM
Wow, really? It's one loss.

how they performed has nothing to do with the loss. I am not happy with how they handled themselves is all.

Coops4Aces
08-06-2010, 09:24 PM
Awesome post game thread. I think I need to buy everyone here a shot

ChiSoxGirl
08-06-2010, 09:24 PM
:angry: The ****ing Orioles.

You said it! This series had me worried two weeks ago.

I honestly a bit shocked we just lost to the Orioles. :o:

Oh well. Get 'em tomorrow boys!

And please Cleveland hold on! :praying: :redneck

I'm not. What we saw tonight was classic White Sox. As JB98 mentioned, the likes of Kansas City, Cleveland, and other teams that are well below .500 always give the Sox fits. The Orioles are no exception.

This series has scared me for a while. Baltimore is a ****ty place.

Same here. See what I wrote above.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:24 PM
We're 3-2, and are on a 1 game losing streak.

What are you talking about?

I have to agree with the poster. We have not been playing great baseball on the road post ASG.

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:24 PM
Oh and Thome might have just tied up the game in Cleveland. And THAT is why you can't lose games like this.

guillensdisciple
08-06-2010, 09:24 PM
We also did not hit well in oakland on the last trip. Do you remember that?
We had one game where we hit poorly.

The other games we had Garcia implode, and Hudson suck.

SephClone89
08-06-2010, 09:24 PM
I assumed the language filter would take care of it. You must have meant "tiny nose syndrome."

I have a rather large nose, as well.

Hand? I suppose my hands are rather small.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:25 PM
how they performed has nothing to do with the loss. I am not happy with how they handled themselves is all.

Point again:

It's one game.

JB98
08-06-2010, 09:25 PM
And they have won five. Look, if the Sox can win the next three games fine, but tonight was a piss poor way to start.

Yeah, they are 5-3. That means they lose to bad teams sometimes, too.

This loss isn't worth panicking about. Seriously.

Red Barchetta
08-06-2010, 09:25 PM
We can't expect to win every game, however we should have won this one. Take 3 of 4 and it's all forgotten.

DirtySox
08-06-2010, 09:25 PM
Disappointed in Sale and Viciedo. Both showed extremely poor control.

Viciedo is rather bad against righties. Go check his minor league splits. He also doesn't walk, as evidenced by his minor league numbers. Tonight's outcome really shouldn't be much of a surprise.

As far as Sale goes, I would have preferred a low leverage situation for his debut.

guillensdisciple
08-06-2010, 09:26 PM
I have to agree with the poster. We have not been playing great baseball on the road post ASG.

1-3 against Twins.

2-1 Seattle

1-2 Oakland

3-1 Detroit

??-1 against Baltimore

Discount the Twins series, which we choked away and we are 6-4 on the road. Not too bad at all, should be 8-2 barring Jenks collapses.

I don't know what you're talking about.

DirtySox
08-06-2010, 09:27 PM
... is winning this thread by the way.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:27 PM
If the O's won out, they would still miss they playoffs. Yikes.

If the O's win out, more than likely we would be missing the playoffs because we have 6 games left vs them.

Konerkoholic
08-06-2010, 09:28 PM
I have a rather large nose, as well.

Hand? I suppose my hands are rather small.

And your hands look even smaller holding BK's new flamehouse whopper.

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:28 PM
1-3 against Twins.

2-1 Seattle

1-2 Oakland

3-1 Detroit

??-1 against Baltimore

Discount the Twins series, which we choked away and we are 6-4 on the road. Not too bad at all, should be 8-2 barring Jenks collapses.

I don't know what you're talking about.

See, I don't think they let you do that in the MLB though. It's like saying "Well, if you take away the two runs the Orioles scored, we would have won tonight!"

Konerkoholic
08-06-2010, 09:29 PM
Hey so something that's defined this team this year is the ability to bounce back from setbacks. So I say we wait until tomorrow to see what adjustments our boys have made. I think they'll be all right.

guillensdisciple
08-06-2010, 09:30 PM
Point again:

It's one game.

:scratch:

Let me make this easy for you.

I am not disappointed in the loss, nor am I dooming Sale or Viciedo for failure. I am saying that they showed a poor effort tonight. Because they are young, I pay attention to these things.

Sorry to have confused you.

RadioheadRocks
08-06-2010, 09:30 PM
... and the mother****in' Twins have tied it :angry::angry::angry:

guillensdisciple
08-06-2010, 09:31 PM
See, I don't think they let you do that in the MLB though. It's like saying "Well, if you take away the two runs the Orioles scored, we would have won tonight!"


6-7.

Your original point of not being able to score in games is moot. We hit well in the Twins series.

8-5 if Bobby Jenks did not happen.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:32 PM
1-3 against Twins.

2-1 Seattle

1-2 Oakland

3-1 Detroit

??-1 against Baltimore

Discount the Twins series, which we choked away and we are 6-4 on the road. Not too bad at all, should be 8-2 barring Jenks collapses.

I don't know what you're talking about.

What are you, ****ing high?

You just want to go ahead and discount the Twins Series, and then remove the Jenks choke jobs as if they did not happen?

Then go ahead and take away the other 40 Losses, then we are undefeated at 62-0. :rolleyes:

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:33 PM
The Twins tied it up, this is why tonight's game is the kind of game the Sox have to win, we can't rely on help from the likes of Cleveland. We have to take care of business ourselves. And when you're playing a team that is 38 games under .500 and are facing a pitcher who has a 6 something ERA with your best pitcher (arguably) on the mound, it's not really too much to expect the Sox win this game. But they didn't. These are the kind of games that you look back on in September in a close race and go "If we had won that game..."

JB98
08-06-2010, 09:35 PM
The Twins tied it up, this is why tonight's game is the kind of game the Sox have to win, we can't rely on help from the likes of Cleveland. We have to take care of business ourselves. And when you're playing a team that is 38 games under .500 and are facing a pitcher who has a 6 something ERA with your best pitcher (arguably) on the mound, it's not really too much to expect the Sox win this game. But they didn't. These are the kind of games that you look back on in September in a close race and go "If we had won that game..."

Some of you are going to drive yourselves batty worrying about day-to-day fluctuations in the standings.

This division isn't going to be decided until the last two weeks of September. The Twins don't get any special prize if they happen to pick up a game on the Sox tonight.

There will be days where the Twins gain ground. There will be days where the Sox gain ground. There are still 53 games to go.

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:35 PM
6-7.

Your original point of not being able to score in games is moot. We hit well in the Twins series.

8-5 if Bobby Jenks did not happen.

What are you talking about? The fact is we ARE 6-7, yea, we COULD be 8-5, but guess what? We're not.

thomas35forever
08-06-2010, 09:35 PM
This game just wasn't meant for us to win it. All the indications were there. Of course, you can't win if you only score one run.

At least the Tribe won.

Coops4Aces
08-06-2010, 09:35 PM
Twins lose

ChiSoxGirl
08-06-2010, 09:37 PM
... and the mother****in' Twins have tied it :angry::angry::angry:

And they just lost, courtesy of a Matt LaPorta walk-off homerun! :bandance:

Blueprint1
08-06-2010, 09:37 PM
The Twins tied it up, this is why tonight's game is the kind of game the Sox have to win, we can't rely on help from the likes of Cleveland. We have to take care of business ourselves. And when you're playing a team that is 38 games under .500 and are facing a pitcher who has a 6 something ERA with your best pitcher (arguably) on the mound, it's not really too much to expect the Sox win this game. But they didn't. These are the kind of games that you look back on in September in a close race and go "If we had won that game..."

This kind of game reminds 2003 when we were neck and neck with the Twins and handed them the division. Next weeks series is going to be massive.

JB98
08-06-2010, 09:37 PM
OK, Minnesota lost. Can we stop melting down now? It's another day off the schedule, and we are still in first place.

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers. **** that team.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:37 PM
The Twins tied it up, this is why tonight's game is the kind of game the Sox have to win, we can't rely on help from the likes of Cleveland. We have to take care of business ourselves. And when you're playing a team that is 38 games under .500 and are facing a pitcher who has a 6 something ERA with your best pitcher (arguably) on the mound, it's not really too much to expect the Sox win this game. But they didn't. These are the kind of games that you look back on in September in a close race and go "If we had won that game..."

Part of what gave us almost zero chance to beat TB in the 2008 ALDS was the fact that we did not get our rotation set up because we had to play a playoff game every night down the stretch. Win or go home.

It think it would be a great idea for the Sox to put themselves some good distance away from the Twins by the start of September.

A burned out pitching staff vs either TB or NY, put at fork in it.

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2010, 09:38 PM
Some of you are going to drive yourselves batty worrying about day-to-day fluctuations in the standings.

This division isn't going to be decided until the last two weeks of September. The Twins don't get any special prize if they happen to pick up a game on the Sox tonight.

There will be days where the Twins gain ground. There will be days where the Sox gain ground. There are still 53 games to go.

These games count as much now as they do in September. Fortunately Cleveland came through for us but every game counts and you can't just say "Oh well, we are going to lose some!" Well, as a fan that's all you can do, but you have to win the games you have to win. If the Twins could have beat last place KC in just one more game they would have won the division in '08.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:39 PM
Twins lose


Best news of the night!

Both teams lost to a very crappy opponent.

So it's a wash.

johnnyg83
08-06-2010, 09:39 PM
It think it would be a great idea for the Sox to put themselves some good distance away from the Twins by the start of September.


where do I send the check?

TDog
08-06-2010, 09:41 PM
That's the second straight walk-off win for the Orioles and fourth-straight overall. Hiring Showalter gave this team a lift, and they are playing well. The Sox caught the Tigers at a good time, finding ways to lose in the last couple of weeks, but the Orioles are playing better baseball than they were a couple of weeks ago.

Obviously, the Sox should have scored after the Kotsay triple, but if they don't send him there is two outs and Pierzynski still had Ramirez on second and couldn't get the hit to give the Sox the lead.

The lineup was weaker than normal with Rios needing a day off. As poor as his hitting has been lately, he probably wouldn't have made a difference. Lillibridge has been a different hitter, a better hitter off the bench. Viciedo hits about .100 points better against left-handers than right handers, and he only hit one ball fair against right-handed pitching in four at bats tonight.

Three players each had two hits -- Konerko, Kotsay and Beckham, the latter two each getting two extra-base hits -- not the hitting was otherwise scarce. After such games, it's usually Kotsay and Beckham that fans want banished from the lineup. Ramirez and Pierre each had a hit, unfortunately, neither got the hit at the point when it could have driven in the elusive second Sox run.

It was a tough loss. Not a loss that should bring back calls for Greg Walker's firing because it is so against recent offensive form. Not as tough as the Twins loss tonight, but a tough loss nonetheless.

LoveYourSuit
08-06-2010, 09:41 PM
Some of you are going to drive yourselves batty worrying about day-to-day fluctuations in the standings.

This division isn't going to be decided until the last two weeks of September. The Twins don't get any special prize if they happen to pick up a game on the Sox tonight.

There will be days where the Twins gain ground. There will be days where the Sox gain ground. There are still 53 games to go.

Ok Ms Cleo :cleo


Why can't the Division be decided before?

I have confidence that we have good enough talent to put this thing away by mid September. Is it wrong for me on a day to day basis to demand that this talent take care of business vs inferior opponents?

Nelfox02
08-06-2010, 09:41 PM
not panicking

not jumping off the proverbial ledge

but you look at Baltimore and you see that they are a decent hitting team, their pitching is what just gets them killed......now if Danks had gone out and not had it, like last start, gave up the 3-4 spot.....still a bummer but okay

But when he recovers and is fantastic, when Tony Pena pulls a rabbit out of a hat in the 8th when for all intents a purposes we should have been blasted.........and you end up losing a game? no panic, but I for one am extremely dissapointed/pissed

Given what we are trying to accomplish now in getting back to the post season......these types of losses just absolutely sting............

JB98
08-06-2010, 09:43 PM
These games count as much now as they do in September. Fortunately Cleveland came through for us but every game counts and you can't just say "Oh well, we are going to lose some!" Well, as a fan that's all you can do, but you have to win the games you have to win. If the Twins could have beat last place KC in just one more game they would have won the division in '08.

The Twins have lost three of four games against Cleveland since the All-Star break. That's baseball. The bottom teams are still capable of winning on any given day. That's the beauty of the sport. That's why it is better than the NFL.

voodoochile
08-06-2010, 09:44 PM
Ok Ms Cleo :cleo


Why can't the Division be decided before?

I have confidence that we have good enough talent to put this thing away by mid September. Is it wrong for me on a day to day basis to demand that this talent take care of business vs inferior opponents?

He didn't say it couldn't be. He said it won't be. HUGE difference... massive...

This whole thread...

:rolling:

Try not to kill each other, I'm out for a while. I'll check in later. If anyone decides to get seriously out of hand, I'll deal with it then. You all know what that means, so try to play nice...

canOcorn
08-06-2010, 09:47 PM
Yeah, they are 5-3. That means they lose to bad teams sometimes, too.

This loss isn't worth panicking about. Seriously.

No, we shouldn't panic, but the approach needs to change. Everyone, outside of PK, was 'jack happy' tonight. They saw the tiny dimensions and went for HR's. Anyone who didn't hang an inside breaking ball would've been Cy Bergesen tonight.

Hopefully it's a wakeup call for the rest of the series.

JB98
08-06-2010, 09:48 PM
Ok Ms Cleo :cleo


Why can't the Division be decided before?

I have confidence that we have good enough talent to put this thing away by mid September. Is it wrong for me on a day to day basis to demand that this talent take care of business vs inferior opponents?

This division goes down to the last couple weeks every year. Take a lesson from history. Even the 2005 World Champs who won 99 games didn't get things wrapped up until the last week, and that club had better talent than this year's Sox team. The last two years, this division has required a 163rd game. It isn't going to be over on Sept. 1.

I don't know why I bother trying to reason with you guys sometimes.

Konerkoholic
08-06-2010, 09:58 PM
JB's right, games like this do happen. Bergesen beat the Twins May 6, tossing 6 2/3 innings of shutout ball. Last month, he also had excellent starts against Boston and KC. The Yankees recently lost a Sabathia-Josh Tomlin matchup, Tomlin tossing 7 innings of 1-run, 3-hit ball. You're not going to win all the games you should win. What you want to see are adjustments. So, get 'em tomorrow.

guillensdisciple
08-06-2010, 10:00 PM
What are you, ****ing high?

You just want to go ahead and discount the Twins Series, and then remove the Jenks choke jobs as if they did not happen?

Then go ahead and take away the other 40 Losses, then we are undefeated at 62-0. :rolleyes:

What are you talking about? The fact is we ARE 6-7, yea, we COULD be 8-5, but guess what? We're not.

Alright, you guys continue your pants pissing.

Fine, we are 6-7 on the road trip. Both of you guys are telling me we can't hit on end of road trips due to one game (two with Garcia's blow up in Oakland). I am trying to tell you that it is not true, and that we HAVE played better than our 6-7 record shows.

So yes, actually we are 6-7, but we have been good on the road, and I don't see a reason to cry about it or start jumping off bridges. But hey, I'll relax tonight, and be happy that they have a chance to be 2.5 ahead tomorrow. Doomsday theory or not.

Nelfox02
08-06-2010, 10:07 PM
JB's right, games like this do happen. Bergesen beat the Twins May 6, tossing 6 2/3 innings of shutout ball. Last month, he also had excellent starts against Boston and KC. The Yankees recently lost a Sabathia-Josh Tomlin matchup, Tomlin tossing 7 innings of 1-run, 3-hit ball. You're not going to win all the games you should win. What you want to see are adjustments. So, get 'em tomorrow.


Good points.....

but no matter how I try to look at it, spin it, digest it, this loss flat out sucked

Thank you Tony Pena for giving us all one moment to really pump the fist tonight, yeah his wild pitch sucked, but that change up K to end the inning.......what a moment

Too bad the team did absolute **** after that to build on it.......

RadioheadRocks
08-06-2010, 10:08 PM
Good points.....

but no matter how I try to look at it, spin it, digest it, this loss flat out sucked

Thank you Tony Pena for giving us all one moment to really pump the fist tonight, yeah his wild pitch sucked, but that change up K to end the inning.......what a moment

Too bad the team did absolute **** after that to build on it.......


You said it all right here, Nelfox.

Dick Allen
08-06-2010, 10:17 PM
Kotsay did a good job again with the stick tonight, but his baserunning blunder was a game-changer. You could see on the replay, in the corner of the screen, he just didn't seem to react when the ball was hit. Maybe he didn't see it well off the bat, but it's little things like this that need to be done if this team has any intention of reaching the postseason. This was especially disappointing coming from a veteran player.

Saracen
08-06-2010, 10:19 PM
It sucks losing games like this. You can spin anyway you want, but in the middle of a pennant race you can't lose games like this to teams like this. Losing a one run game to the Yankees hurts; losing a one run game to a team that is THIRTY EIGHT games under .500 kills.
Whatever. There are 162 games in the season and it's major league pitching. There will be off nights.

This is the same Baltimore team that had a 4 game sweep at Texas. Does Texas suck? Love the knee jerking around here, and it's not just your post, it's a bunch.

There's no "must win game" unless there's only 1 game left in the season and you're down a game. Really laughable how every game is so "must win".

FielderJones
08-06-2010, 10:51 PM
Judging by the score, I'm guessing lillibridge and viciedo didn't make as big as a difference as some people thought they would

0-8 with 4Ks between them. Meanwhile Kotsay hit a double and a triple against a crap pitcher. And someone still tried to pin this loss on Kotsay. :rolleyes:

doublem23
08-06-2010, 10:55 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/nascar/2006/news/headlines/cup/01/02/daytona.countdown.ala/Charles.Barkley.193.jpg
That was turrible.

****, at least Minny **** the bed against Cleveland, too.

:cuss:

Furthermore, perhaps Ozzie and the Sox were on to something about not letting Dayan face RHP. Hard to judge, though, because everyone looked like ****.

SoxSpeed22
08-06-2010, 10:59 PM
That's what happens when you swing at bad pitches and run into outs (once, but it was a big point in the game). Get the next two.

GoGoCrede
08-06-2010, 11:05 PM
Didn't see any of this game due to work, but it sounds like a real doozy.

doublem23
08-06-2010, 11:05 PM
If the O's won out, they would still miss they playoffs. Yikes.

My buddy and I were having this discussion over sad beers at the bar.

Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh, I just want to win tomorrow

BringHomeDaBacon
08-06-2010, 11:07 PM
I hate Kotsay. But I liked what I saw out of him today. He was busting ass to get to the third on that triple and it was grinderific. After that however, you've got your DH on third with one out in the seventh in a one run game. It doesn't take a genius to know to pinch run at that point. I'm not saying that it definitively would have made the difference on that particular weak grounder but in general pinch running was still the obvious higher percentage move. Would it really have strained Rios to run 90 feet tonight?

GoGoCrede
08-06-2010, 11:08 PM
My buddy and I were having this discussion over sad beers at the bar.

Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh, I just want to win tomorrow


Haha, sad beers! How do happy ones taste?

beasly213
08-06-2010, 11:11 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/nascar/2006/news/headlines/cup/01/02/daytona.countdown.ala/Charles.Barkley.193.jpg
That was turrible.

****, at least Minny **** the bed against Cleveland, too.

:cuss:

Furthermore, perhaps Ozzie and the Sox were on to something about not letting Dayan face RHP. Hard to judge, though, because everyone looked like ****.

Yes but Dayan didn't look like he had a clue out there tonight. Not that the other guys were looking great but Dayan looked flat out awful.

Nelfox02
08-06-2010, 11:13 PM
That's what happens when you swing at bad pitches and run into outs (once, but it was a big point in the game). Get the next two.


the running into outs......I didnt get it with Gordon.....he had a decent break and stumbled, but was heads up and saw he would be dead to rights so he got back to first....nice play.......and then he goes again and is just flat out nailed.......why? I didnt understand it during the game, still dont

maybe I am an idiot and looking at this the wrong way....but I was a bit surprised to see him try the very same thing a pitch or so later......not al surprised by the result however

ah well, I have bitched and moaned about this one enough for one night, ready to move on

Really have to win at least 2 of the next 3, wont lie splitting a series in baltimore is a bit dissapointing but it is a road series and it at least gives us a winning trip record wise

I guess for me the ultimate goal is to be at least 2.5 up on the Twinks when we come home on Tuesday and start that series........

New day, new game tomorrow, best thing about baseball, you get to turn the page on **** game like this quickly

doublem23
08-06-2010, 11:22 PM
Haha, sad beers! How do happy ones taste?

They taste like the finest ambrosia

Yes but Dayan didn't look like he had a clue out there tonight. Not that the other guys were looking great but Dayan looked flat out awful.

That's just his aggressiveness, he always looks bad when he's not hitting because he goes up there with the intent to hit the ball 500 feet. When he connects, oh, it is poetry in motion. ****ing awesome poetry.

doublem23
08-06-2010, 11:38 PM
2.32 ERA in 11 2/3 IP against us. Just sayin.......

Damn you, you magnificent bastard.

twinsuck
08-06-2010, 11:39 PM
Guess I didn't miss much. I was at the Brewers game.(which was pretty awesome at the end :D)

Slappy
08-07-2010, 12:07 AM
Poor Sale. At least Pena bailed him out and it didn't mean anything. Hope it doesn't get him too down.

How about that Kotsay, huh.

Pear-Zin-Ski
08-07-2010, 12:10 AM
Just happened to be in Baltimore this "weekend" and decided to take my first trip to Camden Yards. Fantastic ballpark. Easily the quietest ballpark I've ever been to - except for extra innings.

I had a couple beers, but why why the heck was Pena out there for what it seemed like three innings? We always seem to play like crap in Baltimore, but why the hell were we already mailing it in Ozzie?!

Still a fun time at the ballpark and I am looking forward to visiting again.

LoveYourSuit
08-07-2010, 12:20 AM
Just happened to be in Baltimore this "weekend" and decided to take my first trip to Camden Yards. Fantastic ballpark. Easily the quietest ballpark I've ever been to - except for extra innings.

I had a couple beers, but why why the heck was Pena out there for what it seemed like three innings? We always seem to play like crap in Baltimore, but why the hell were we already mailing it in Ozzie?!

Still a fun time at the ballpark and I am looking forward to visiting again.

Had Jenks not **** the bed yesterday, Santos would have been available.

Putz and Thornton appeared to be handed the night off tonight.

kufram
08-07-2010, 04:54 AM
I think maybe this loss was more to do with extra innings the night before and the aircraft engine not starting so the team was late getting out of Detroit than being unable to beat a last place team. ANY mlb team can beat any OTHER team on a given night. This won't be the last game we lose that we're SUPPOSED to win. It is how the team responds that is important and they've responded after losses pretty well.

No problem with Kotsay trying to score. He wasn't expecting a bunt (I know it was a squibber) so his jump wasn't as a sharp as it could have been maybe, but hey you have to make them make a good play to get you out.

IF Kotsay can keep a semblance of the last 2 games up... it will mean a lot to the offense... ok, he ain't going to get a HR, 2 triples, and a single in 2 games often but he is due his hits falling in. The way he handled himself during a year long slump may well have benefited the kids that were slumping too.... showed them how to keep going, don't hang your head, don't take it out on the field, etc.

Now, if Andruw can pick it up a bit and AJ can remember that he's a good player and good with a bat we may just survive the bumps in the road.

harwar
08-07-2010, 06:09 AM
Bergesen gave up only 5 hits in 7 inn his last 2 games,including us & KC, who don't score many runs, but they do get a lot of hits usually .. i thought last nights game wasn't a bad one .. i enjoyed the pitchers duel .. frustrating that we came up empty though .. showalter playing his games as usual, not a fan .. Viciedo kills any fastball at any speed .. not sure about sliders though .. Floyd going tonight .. i guarantee a win

Zakath
08-07-2010, 07:45 AM
Just happened to be in Baltimore this "weekend" and decided to take my first trip to Camden Yards. Fantastic ballpark. Easily the quietest ballpark I've ever been to - except for extra innings.


I remember going there when Baltimore actually had a team that anyone cared about. Must be interesting to go there now that you can get your own vendor. Angelos has really screwed that team up.


I had a couple beers, but why why the heck was Pena out there for what it seemed like three innings? We always seem to play like crap in Baltimore, but why the hell were we already mailing it in Ozzie?!

Supposedly it was common knowledge that about half the bullpen was pretty much unavailable (Jenks, Thornton, Putz) and they didn't want to use Santos if absolutely necessary. (I'm saying supposedly because the only person that seemed to know it was the one saying it was common knowledge.)

TomBradley72
08-07-2010, 08:02 AM
What is it with playing in Baltimore?

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1985/B07110BAL1985.htm

hawkjt
08-07-2010, 08:22 AM
Bergeson seems to own the Sox. Throw out the record book.
Sox were flat. Yesterdays win becomes todays loss with extras burning Serge and the aircraft crap. It happens.

Come out on fire tonite,and the rest of the weekend. Screw Buck.

SI1020
08-07-2010, 09:11 AM
This division goes down to the last couple weeks every year. Take a lesson from history. Even the 2005 World Champs who won 99 games didn't get things wrapped up until the last week, and that club had better talent than this year's Sox team. The last two years, this division has required a 163rd game. It isn't going to be over on Sept. 1.

I don't know why I bother trying to reason with you guys sometimes. Things have deteriorated over the years.

DickAllen72
08-07-2010, 09:57 AM
Of course, Kotsay was one of the few to hit the ball with authority tonight. Him and Beckham were the offense, what little there was.
Kotsay's boneheaded base running erased the triple so I wouldn't consider him part of the little offense. Beckham's homer was the entire offense.

How in the hell can you not score from 3B on a slow grounder to the first baseman? Very frustrating to say the least.

Jollyroger2
08-07-2010, 12:48 PM
Kotsay's boneheaded base running erased the triple so I wouldn't consider him part of the little offense. Beckham's homer was the entire offense.

How in the hell can you not score from 3B on a slow grounder to the first baseman? Very frustrating to say the least.

The whole night was frustrating. I'm in the DC area and have seen a few Orioles games and that team is crap. Total crap. This business of "every pitcher gets hot" yada yada and "Showalter has them playing well" is a load of nonsense. They're terrible, and with Floyd and Milwood pitching tonight the Sox should destroy them, period.

I don't subscribe to the people here who are blowing games like this off as run of the mill. The Sox need every win in a tight division race when they have shown they can't win consistently vs. Minnesota. They need to take 3 of 4 in series like these. Unfortunately since KW didn't upgrade the offense, they need to go with what they have even though there are dead holes in the lineup. Not being able to get a guy in from 3rd was disgraceful, as was getting shut down by an awful pitcher. Several times last night O's fans around me made comments along the lines of "I thought you guys were good" and that kind of thing.

This team might be good enough to BS its way along and make things interesting in a mediocre division, but I'm interested in a championship. Right now, with a weak to mediocre lineup and idiotic decisions like continuing to let an over the hill, out of shape, game blowing closer keep getting time on the mound, they'll be roadkill for NY or Tampa come October, if they get there.

Well Im off to Baltimore...hopefully I won't leave there embarrassed again tonight.

downstairs
08-07-2010, 01:23 PM
Chill pill, everyone. Seriously.

Last night's game was one of those 60 you're bound to lose. I felt it the whole game, this one just wasn't for them.

I'll start worrying when they lose series, and/or are .500 over a long period of time.

If they had a 4 run lead and gave it all up in the ninth, I'd be fuming- because that indicates that no game is safe.

The team just didn't show up last night. It happens.

Nelfox02
08-07-2010, 02:29 PM
Chill pill, everyone. Seriously.

Last night's game was one of those 60 you're bound to lose. I felt it the whole game, this one just wasn't for them.

.


Not sure I agree 100% that this was "one of the 60"-----when your starter comes out and throws 1 run ball thru 7 against a decent hitting team in their park AND you get that miracle from Pena in the 8th......that is a game you should win, especially against a team with pitching like the Orioles have.....starting and pen......

As I said before, not ready to jump off a cliff over this one, but it stings when you in a close race like we are and Cle actually holds on and gives us a chance to pick up a game.

Sad to say, part of this comes from my fear of the Twins and the upcoming series. I just want as much ground between us and them as possible going into Tuesday, we just find ways to lose to that team........

kufram
08-07-2010, 02:58 PM
Not sure I agree 100% that this was "one of the 60"-----when your starter comes out and throws 1 run ball thru 7 against a decent hitting team in their park AND you get that miracle from Pena in the 8th......that is a game you should win, especially against a team with pitching like the Orioles have.....starting and pen......

As I said before, not ready to jump off a cliff over this one, but it stings when you in a close race like we are and Cle actually holds on and gives us a chance to pick up a game.

Sad to say, part of this comes from my fear of the Twins and the upcoming series. I just want as much ground between us and them as possible going into Tuesday, we just find ways to lose to that team........


I think whatever happens with other teams we HAVE to beat the Twins to win the division. I don't fear the Twins. I fear the fear of the Twins. I think it was FDR