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Heffalump
08-05-2010, 04:16 PM
Just for today, at least.....YAY!

Oh yeah, and Bobby sucks again....at least for today.

ewokpelts
08-05-2010, 04:20 PM
meh on kotsay. DFA on Jenks.

of course, kotsay wouldnt be the hero of the day if it werent for jenks

VeeckAsInWreck
08-05-2010, 04:20 PM
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Heffalump
08-05-2010, 04:23 PM
meh on kotsay. DFA on Jenks.

of course, kotsay wouldnt be the hero of the day if it werent for jenks


Very true.....But then again, that's baseball!

Just like in '05, everyone seems to contribute here or there and pick up another player that screwed up. Even our pal, Kotsay...YAY!

UH OH...WAIT A SECOND HERE.

NEVERMIND....I still love Mark Kotsay! (only applies to 8-5-2010)

chisoxfanatic
08-05-2010, 04:24 PM
HR, Triple, 5 RBIs--Have yourself an outing!

BadBobbyJenks
08-05-2010, 04:24 PM
I always believed in you!

:dtroll:

r6a-AHLRoAw

Irishsox1
08-05-2010, 04:25 PM
Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.......:scratch:

october23sp
08-05-2010, 04:25 PM
This was the exact same game that happened in Tampa Bay. Except no ceiling here.

GoGoCrede
08-05-2010, 04:25 PM
Glad we won. Suck it, Twins.

I'm going to sit back and enjoy some popcorn with this thread. I don't think I'll be disappointed.

doublem23
08-05-2010, 04:25 PM
Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.......:scratch:

I'm surprised we had to wait until Post #2. :D:

dwitt76
08-05-2010, 04:25 PM
Thank god for.................Kotsay???? :scratch:

Thome25
08-05-2010, 04:25 PM
And to think there were posters in another thread who were using him as the poster child for KW's percieved ineptitude.

Crestani
08-05-2010, 04:25 PM
Thanks Mark Kotsay.....:)

MushMouth
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
16 over!

nice to be able to follow a game while over in the UK too :)

:bandance::gulp:

chisoxfanatic
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
I'm surprised we had to wait until Post #2. :D:
I would've, but I thought Kotsay earned his due. :cool:

Uncontested
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Bleeping is right, looked like he had a few choice words while running on that triple LOL!

johnnyg83
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
exhale.

Good resiliency.

thomas35forever
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
That wasn't so bad, was it?:cool:

Seriously though, Kotsay's a man and give Santos consideration for being the new closer.

yazz32
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Ordering a Kotsay jersey and burning the Jenks one... But overall we got what matters, the "W"

Coops4Aces
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Sweet Jesus come and squeeze us!

Quentin08
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Thank God Kotsay is in our lineup!! :bandance:

LoveYourSuit
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Jenks owes Freddy a steak tonight.

guillensdisciple
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
**** you Bobby Jenks!

Love you Mark Kotsay.

Another splendid performance by Garcia.

16 games over. Would have been nice to grab another one against the Twins but we'll have to do it this weekend against the Orioles.

Anyway, go Sox and one more big **** you to Bobby! You need to be released.

kittle42
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Thank you, Kotsay. You still do not deserve anywhere near the amount of playing time you receive, but great job today!

Jenks - I think you almost have to live and die with him. I don't know what I would do if I was Ozzie, honestly.

Konerkoholic
08-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Add some more steak dinners to Bobby's tab. Freddy, Kotsay, Serg, too.

VeeckAsInWreck
08-05-2010, 04:27 PM
And to think there were posters in another thread who were using him as the poster child for KW's percieved ineptitude. :rollseyes:

Everyone here believes they can do a better job than KW. :welcome:

doublem23
08-05-2010, 04:27 PM
And to think there were posters in another thread who were using him as the poster child for KW's percieved ineptitude.

Next year, all our hitters should hit .220. WE'LL NEVER LOSE A GAME, MAN

Hitmen77
08-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Whew!!

Luckily for my sanity, I haven't been able to follow this game. :o: But I'm relieved to see the W in the end.

Way to go Kotsay! I still don't think he should be our full-time DH. But I haven't been on the DFA bandwagon either.

Jenks needs to get his act together if we're going to win this division. Sorry, but we need him to be a reliable closer.

ElevenUp
08-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Congrats to Santos on his first win! :gulp:

kittle42
08-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Anyway, go Sox and one more big **** you to Bobby! You need to be released.

Postgame/game threads where people claim players should be released are always entertaining.

JermaineDye05
08-05-2010, 04:27 PM
This one hurts for the Tigers. I think this may be the one that finally puts them to rest.

Jurr
08-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Any of the last 4 Sox teams would have lost this game after the blown save.
Kudos to the veterans to keep pluggin' away. Meanwhile, Lillebridge continues to be a spark.

eastchicagosoxfan
08-05-2010, 04:28 PM
Just continue to win each series. Way to go, and not fold when things didn't go as expected.:gulp::bandance:
16 games over heading to play a Baltimore team that's playing better with Showalter at the helm.

october23sp
08-05-2010, 04:28 PM
Both the Sox and Twins get kicked in the nuts but win anyways.

BringBackBlkJack
08-05-2010, 04:28 PM
Marky Mark Mother ****ing Kotsay!!!

Also, Sergio's theme song:

G6oxKDAWKxo

kittle42
08-05-2010, 04:28 PM
And to think there were posters in another thread who were using him as the poster child for KW's percieved ineptitude.

One great game does not change the rest of his season. Come on, people, you're embarrassing yourselves.

thomas35forever
08-05-2010, 04:28 PM
Oh yeah. We don't need Adam freakin' Dunn when we've got Mark ****ing Kotsay with us.

Pablo_Honey
08-05-2010, 04:28 PM
Quick, burn all the slumping players' bats so that they all break out of slump too like Mark Kotsay!

AlexRios51
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Just for today, at least.....YAY!

Oh yeah, and Bobby sucks again....at least for today.
No he sucks period.

wilburaga
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Congrats to Santos on his first win! :gulp:

The Serge worked.

asindc
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Jenks owes Freddy a steak tonight.

He also owes Kotsay at least two rounds.

ChiSoxGal85
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
I hate games like this, they make me a wreck - but I'd hate it even more if they lost. This Sox team seem to find a way to get it done; that may not have been true earlier this year or even the last few years. :gulp:

Uncontested
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
inb4 Damon is put on the waiver wire by the Tigers.

WhiteSox1989
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Anyway, go Sox and one more big **** you to Bobby! You need to be released.
Totally reasonable reaction.

october23sp
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
16 games over .500, season high.

doublem23
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Congrats to Santos on his first win! :gulp:

Beer shower!!!

kufram
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Phew! I need 3 aspirin, 8 hours of sleep, and a bowl of Wheaties!

Quentin08
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Quick, burn all the slumping players' bats so that they all break out of slump too like Mark Kotsay!

While they're at it, burn the goatee!

doublem23
08-05-2010, 04:30 PM
inb4 Damon is put on the waiver wire by the Tigers.

Doubt we get a chance, but that would be an amazing pickup for the Sox.

Zakath
08-05-2010, 04:30 PM
We're facing a rightie in Baltimore tomorrow.

First person that bitches about Kotsay being in the lineup tomorrow needs to be banned for life. The man earned a reprieve today.

cws05champ
08-05-2010, 04:30 PM
A win like this can really help the Club on a road trip like this, especially when the clubhouse has been pulling for Kotsay so much and he finally comes through.

Great win, and resiliency...

AlexRios51
08-05-2010, 04:30 PM
Any of the last 4 Sox teams would have lost this game after the blown save.
Kudos to the veterans to keep pluggin' away. Meanwhile, Lillebridge continues to be a spark.
Imagine if he actually started a game.

Tragg
08-05-2010, 04:30 PM
And to think there were posters in another thread who were using him as the poster child for KW's percieved ineptitude.
He's an example of the brilliant side of Williams: pick him up for nothing and he's an effective closer for half a decade.

BadBobbyJenks
08-05-2010, 04:30 PM
And just when we were getting that sick feeling the way the Twins won and it looked like we were going to lose.


It is 5 o'clock somewhere. :gulp:

EnglishChiSox
08-05-2010, 04:30 PM
16 over!

nice to be able to follow a game while over in the UK too :)

:gulp: To both of those

DirtySox
08-05-2010, 04:31 PM
And to think there were posters in another thread who were using him as the poster child for KW's percieved ineptitude.

Really? ...Really?

SI1020
08-05-2010, 04:31 PM
**** you Bobby Jenks!

Love you Mark Kotsay.

Another splendid performance by Garcia.

16 games over. Would have been nice to grab another one against the Twins but we'll have to do it this weekend against the Orioles.

Anyway, go Sox and one more big **** you to Bobby! You need to be released. I'm not here to absolve Jenks. He has been wildly inconsistent this year. Still, you go ahead and release him and count how many seconds it will take for some team to grab him.

JermaineDye05
08-05-2010, 04:31 PM
Who needs Adam Dunn when you got Mark Kotsay?

AlexRios51
08-05-2010, 04:31 PM
Phew! I need 3 aspirin, 8 hours of sleep, and a bowl of Wheaties!
Change it to Frosted Flakes and I'm with yah.

dwitt76
08-05-2010, 04:32 PM
Games like these take days off at the end for me. I might need to get back on the anxiety meds.

guillensdisciple
08-05-2010, 04:32 PM
I'm not here to absolve Jenks. He has been wildly inconsistent this year. Still, you go ahead and release him and count how many seconds it will take for some team to grab him.

I'm fine with that, but what does that have to do with the fact that he continues blowing games for us and has an era over 5?

Does some team grabbing him excuse him for that? Does that mean that he will suddenly become a God of baseball again?

Hitmen77
08-05-2010, 04:32 PM
Thank you, Kotsay. You still do not deserve anywhere near the amount of playing time you receive, but great job today!

Jenks - I think you almost have to live and die with him. I don't know what I would do if I was Ozzie, honestly.

Agreed. I really don't know what Ozzie should do. But we need Jenks to not blow 3 saves in 2 weeks if we're going to finish ahead of the Twins.

Like you said, we pretty much have to live and die with him.

SoxandtheCityTee
08-05-2010, 04:32 PM
Phew! I need 3 aspirin, 8 hours of sleep, and a bowl of Wheaties!


And I have to do this novena I promised now . . . all worth it though!

Uncontested
08-05-2010, 04:32 PM
Who needs Adam Dunn when you got Mark Kotsay?


Lets not go too crazy here, Dunn just hit 27 and 28. lol.

asindc
08-05-2010, 04:33 PM
Any of the last 4 Sox teams would have lost this game after the blown save.
Kudos to the veterans to keep pluggin' away. Meanwhile, Lillebridge continues to be a spark.

This is a key point. This team does have more fight in them than any Sox team since 2005. I think it is one of the things that has fueled this surge. More to add to the big picture persective: I really like that Kotsay was the hero today, not because it proves his naysayers wrong (it doesn't), but because if the other players on the team really do rally around him, they have to be feeling really good about this win.:gulp:

Coops4Aces
08-05-2010, 04:33 PM
Doubt we get a chance, but that would be an amazing pickup for the Sox.

The only team that would stop us from getting him is Boston.

twsoxfan5
08-05-2010, 04:33 PM
Happy the Sox won. Also I hate Bobby Jenks, that is all.

Zakath
08-05-2010, 04:34 PM
Phew! I need 3 aspirin, 8 hours of sleep, and a bowl of Wheaties!

I was thinking more along the lines of 6 shots, 7 hookers, and a steak, but to each his own...

SI1020
08-05-2010, 04:34 PM
I'm fine with that, but what does that have to do with the fact that he continues blowing games for us and has an era over 5?

Does some team grabbing him excuse him for that? Does that mean that he will suddenly become a God of baseball again? You're mad. I understand. Baseball is tough game and guys fail all the time. If you want to argue that he shouldn't be in there in the 9th inning unless it's a blowout I won't dissent.

DirtySox
08-05-2010, 04:35 PM
I'm not here to absolve Jenks. He has been wildly inconsistent this year. Still, you go ahead and release him and count how many seconds it will take for some team to grab him.

Jenks sucks. And agreed he is going to find another job, but he is without question going to be non-tendered this off-season. Especially with the 8 million the Sox just took on with EJ.

Zakath
08-05-2010, 04:35 PM
Lets not go to crazy here, Dunn just hit 27 and 28. lol.

Yeah, but his team's 13 1/2 games out, so those don't mean ****...

AlexRios51
08-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Congrats to Santos on his first win! :gulp:
I think we should give him a try at closer.

guillensdisciple
08-05-2010, 04:36 PM
You're mad. I understand. Baseball is tough game and guys fail all the time. If you want to argue that he shouldn't be in there in the 9th inning unless it's a blowout I won't dissent.

Yep, I guess releasing is stupid, but at least getting rid of his rights as closer is all I ask.

Uncontested
08-05-2010, 04:37 PM
Yeah, but his team's 13 1/2 games out, so those don't mean ****...


Yeah, its a shame he isnt producing those runs for us instead.


But hey apparently we gave Edwin Jackson a reason to try, so lets hope he continues.

Quentin08
08-05-2010, 04:37 PM
I don't know what Ozzie should do with Jenks. I think he could cost us some huge games down the stretch! I can't figure out what's wrong with him.. or how much of his control issues are mental?

palehozenychicty
08-05-2010, 04:37 PM
Bobby needs to shave that beard. If Ozzie fines him, maybe that'll get him angry again.

downstairs
08-05-2010, 04:38 PM
This team is winning every possible scenario... close games, blow outs, beating the weak teams they should be, matching up well enough to elite teams, winning after blowing leads.

They're not perfect. Jenks needs to be seriously evaluated, but still.... JUST WIN BABY!

ghostface36
08-05-2010, 04:38 PM
wow great win and a good momentum starting win

Uncontested
08-05-2010, 04:38 PM
I think we should give him a try at closer.

No thanks, he was good tonight, but the closer? No. Thornton or Putz please.

asindc
08-05-2010, 04:38 PM
I don't know what Ozzie should do with Jenks. I think he could cost us some huge games down the stretch! I can't figure out what's wrong with him.. or how much of his control issues are mental?

I think so. It seems that he loses focus at times.

Zisk77
08-05-2010, 04:38 PM
Well at the risk of sounding like a Jenks apopologist, Castro deserves as much of the blame as bobby considering:

Jenks had a good fb and change today, but kept throwing the curve in the dirt and even hit Santiago with one. He had no feel for it, so scrap it today. So what does Castro call...curve....Hanger...Bang!

On a lighter note the audobon society has named the sox public enemy # 1 because we just killed the Tigers...They gawn!

JermaineDye05
08-05-2010, 04:39 PM
Lets not go too crazy here, Dunn just hit 27 and 28. lol.

I was being facetious.

hawkjt
08-05-2010, 04:39 PM
I'm fine with that, but what does that have to do with the fact that he continues blowing games for us and has an era over 5?

Does some team grabbing him excuse him for that? Does that mean that he will suddenly become a God of baseball again?


Anyone that actually watched this outing by Bobby would know that he is throwing the ball better than when he blew the two vs the twins and M's.
He hit 97mph on the gun, and really only threw a couple bad pitches in the whole inning. I think calling for a breaking ball was stupid by Ramon or the dugout on Raeburn...he could not catch up to Bobbys heat.
And calling for the breaking ball on the prior batter that got hit,same deal...he had no shot against the heat.

So, for all you calling Bobby names,or for him to be demoted or RELEASED?, please know that Bobby had nasty stuff and is throwing the ball very well. If you persist,it is baseball stupid.

Nice job by Freddy,and Kotsay.

downstairs
08-05-2010, 04:39 PM
I think we should give him a try at closer.

Bobby is singlehandedly removing himself from the closer role merely by giving up ties in the ninth and being pulled!

veeter
08-05-2010, 04:39 PM
Great job Kotsay. I wouldn't be so pissed at Jenks if it was a good effort. But he, first off, gave the pitch away, then he just rolls the thing up there. It was a lazy ass pitch. Still a great win on the road. This team is really good.

PatK
08-05-2010, 04:39 PM
Quick, burn all the slumping players' bats so that they all break out of slump too like Mark Kotsay!

Is there some way we can burn Bobby's arm to break him out of his streak of suck?

AlexRios51
08-05-2010, 04:39 PM
I don't know what Ozzie should do with Jenks. I think he could cost us some huge games down the stretch! I can't figure out what's wrong with him.. or how much of his control issues are mental?
My suggestion is put him at Bat Boy.

october23sp
08-05-2010, 04:40 PM
Bobby needs to shave that beard. If Ozzie fines him, maybe that'll get him angry again.

That's something you grow when things are going good.

hawkjt
08-05-2010, 04:40 PM
Well at the risk of sounding like a Jenks apopologist, Castro deserves as much of the blame as bobby considering:

Jenks had a good fb and change today, but kept throwing the curve in the dirt and even hit Santiago with one. He had no feel for it, so scrap it today. So what does Castro call...curve....Hanger...Bang!

On a lighter note the audobon society has named the sox public enemy # 1 because we just killed the Tigers...They gawn!


Thank you. If you witnessed this game,you could see that Bobby had nasty stuff today,but did not command the breaking ball well. If they just go with the hard stuff, he shuts them down. Bad calling by Ramon or the dugout.

kittle42
08-05-2010, 04:41 PM
Yeah, but his team's 13 1/2 games out, so those don't mean ****...

Seriously?

You should have informed the HOF not to count Andre Dawson's homers in 1987.

PaleHoser
08-05-2010, 04:41 PM
Ozzie says he has four pitchers who can close games.

Two have sub 2.00 ERA's.
One has a sub 2.50 ERA.
One has an ERA of 5.00+.

Ozzie needs to watch Sesame Street - "Which one doesn't belong?".

Putz needs to close games. Now. Until he proves he can't.

SoxGirl4Life
08-05-2010, 04:42 PM
I'm ten years older than I was before the ninth inning. Seriously.. he's unwatchable.

WhiteSoxFTW
08-05-2010, 04:42 PM
16 games over .500, season high.

I know I am just nit-picking, but I have always been bothered by the games over .500 thing.

The sox have played 108 games and are 62-46 (16 over by your count). If they played .500 baseball, they would be 54-54. So, they are only eight games over .500 in my book.

Am I the only idiot that has seriously spent time thinking about this? Lol.

Crestani
08-05-2010, 04:42 PM
Phew! I need 3 aspirin, 8 hours of sleep, and a bowl of Wheaties!


How about...Three Cadillac Margaritas and two Vicodin..!!:gulp:

BadBobbyJenks
08-05-2010, 04:42 PM
I say give the ball to Santos in the 9th. I think he has it.

FielderJones
08-05-2010, 04:42 PM
Anyone that actually watched this outing by Bobby would know that he is throwing the ball better than when he blew the two vs the twins and M's.
He hit 97mph on the gun, and really only threw a couple bad pitches in the whole inning. I think calling for a breaking ball was stupid by Ramon or the dugout on Raeburn...he could not catch up to Bobbys heat.
And calling for the breaking ball on the prior batter that got hit,same deal...he had no shot against the heat.

So, for all you calling Bobby names,or for him to be demoted or RELEASED?, please know that Bobby had nasty stuff and is throwing the ball very well. If you persist,it is baseball stupid.

Nice job by Freddy,and Kotsay.

Make them beat your best pitch, it's that simple. Whoever called for that slider made a big mistake. And if Bobby shook off a fastball, shame on him.

dickallen15
08-05-2010, 04:43 PM
Anyone that actually watched this outing by Bobby would know that he is throwing the ball better than when he blew the two vs the twins and M's.
He hit 97mph on the gun, and really only threw a couple bad pitches in the whole inning. I think calling for a breaking ball was stupid by Ramon or the dugout on Raeburn...he could not catch up to Bobbys heat.
And calling for the breaking ball on the prior batter that got hit,same deal...he had no shot against the heat.

So, for all you calling Bobby names,or for him to be demoted or RELEASED?, please know that Bobby had nasty stuff and is throwing the ball very well. If you persist,it is baseball stupid.

Nice job by Freddy,and Kotsay.

Ultimately, the pitcher is responsible for the pitch he throws. Blaming it on Castro is positively proposterous Batman.

RANDY WILES
08-05-2010, 04:43 PM
jenks sucks. And agreed he is going to find another job, but he is without question going to be non-tendered this off-season. Especially with the 8 million the sox just took on with ej.
in my opinion the problem with jenks is much like that with linebrink---they just can no longer stand the heat of big games on a big stage--so we have 2 pitching roster spots filled by guys that can only be used in "mop-op" duty,

BringHomeDaBacon
08-05-2010, 04:43 PM
Putz was used for a grand total of TWO pitches.

Uncontested
08-05-2010, 04:43 PM
Ozzie says he has four pitchers who can close games.

Two have sub 2.00 ERA's.
One has a sub 2.50 ERA.
One has an ERA of 5.00+.

Ozzie needs to watch Sesame Street - "Which one doesn't belong?".

Putz needs to close games. Now. Until he proves he can't.


This. People who keep trying to flame those of us who bash Jenks, yet he consistantly gives up runs. 5+ ERA for a closer... how about no.

FielderJones
08-05-2010, 04:44 PM
I know I am just nit-picking, but I have always been bothered by the games over .500 thing.

The sox have played 108 games and are 62-46 (16 over by your count). If they played .500 baseball, they would be 54-54. So, they are only eight games over .500 in my book.

Am I the only idiot that has seriously spent time thinking about this? Lol.

The Sox would have to lose 16 in a row to get back to .500 now. Does that make more sense?

october23sp
08-05-2010, 04:44 PM
I know I am just nit-picking, but I have always been bothered by the games over .500 thing.

The sox have played 108 games and are 62-46 (16 over by your count). If they played .500 baseball, they would be 54-54. So, they are only eight games over .500 in my book.

Am I the only idiot that has seriously spent time thinking about this? Lol.

That is an interesting way to look at it,

dickallen15
08-05-2010, 04:44 PM
I know I am just nit-picking, but I have always been bothered by the games over .500 thing.

The sox have played 108 games and are 62-46 (16 over by your count). If they played .500 baseball, they would be 54-54. So, they are only eight games over .500 in my book.

Am I the only idiot that has seriously spent time thinking about this? Lol.
They are on a 93 win pace.

dickallen15
08-05-2010, 04:46 PM
Bobby Jenks has a higher ERA and WHIP than Scott Linebrink.

TheVulture
08-05-2010, 04:47 PM
I know I am just nit-picking, but I have always been bothered by the games over .500 thing.

The sox have played 108 games and are 62-46 (16 over by your count). If they played .500 baseball, they would be 54-54. So, they are only eight games over .500 in my book.

Am I the only idiot that has seriously spent time thinking about this? Lol.
Well, they'd have to lose 16 straight to go back to .500 so it makes sense to me.

kobo
08-05-2010, 04:47 PM
in my opinion the problem with jenks is much like that with linebrink---they just can no longer stand the heat of big games on a big stage--so we have 2 pitching roster spots filled by guys that can only be used in "mop-op" duty,
If he can't handle the heat of big games then explain his month of June.

Hitmen77
08-05-2010, 04:48 PM
They are on a 93 win pace.

Wow, what a turnaround! I wonder what pace they were on 2 months ago today (June 5)?

21stcenturySox
08-05-2010, 04:49 PM
Anyone that actually watched this outing by Bobby would know that he is throwing the ball better than when he blew the two vs the twins and M's.
He hit 97mph on the gun, and really only threw a couple bad pitches in the whole inning. I think calling for a breaking ball was stupid by Ramon or the dugout on Raeburn...he could not catch up to Bobbys heat.
And calling for the breaking ball on the prior batter that got hit,same deal...he had no shot against the heat.

So, for all you calling Bobby names,or for him to be demoted or RELEASED?, please know that Bobby had nasty stuff and is throwing the ball very well. If you persist,it is baseball stupid.

Nice job by Freddy,and Kotsay.

This.

I've just ordered my Kotsay Jersey.

hawkjt
08-05-2010, 04:49 PM
Hello,folks....

JJ Putz was bad yesterday.
Thornton was bad today.
Sergio has been bad in some outing recently.
Bobby was bad today...

Get over it. Bobby has how many saves in his career?
He was throwing the ball fine today cept for breaking stuff.
Fans think that the other three will never blow a save?
No chance.

WhiteSoxFTW
08-05-2010, 04:51 PM
Jenks problems are between his ears. He has a few games of being lights out and then a few bad games. But, you can't keep expecting Ozzie to have a light a fire under his ass all the time.

kittle42
08-05-2010, 04:51 PM
This. People who keep trying to flame those of us who bash Jenks, yet he consistantly gives up runs. 5+ ERA for a closer... how about no.

He has given up runs in 12 of his 44 appearances. I wonder how that compares to other closers. In other words, is he consistently giving up runs, or is he just getting bashed when he does?

soxlady8
08-05-2010, 04:51 PM
I got more heartburn watching the end of that game than by eating
some pizza, fries, cookies and drinking some pepsi. Bobby has to get it together!

He is just not a reliable closer for the time being.

I think Putz should get a shot and leave Thornton where he is.

However ,winning 3/4 from Detroit is a good thing--

RANDY WILES
08-05-2010, 04:52 PM
Make them beat your best pitch, it's that simple. Whoever called for that slider made a big mistake. And if Bobby shook off a fastball, shame on him.

This is interesting---I listen to game on XM radio so I always get the home announcers and LAST night the Tigers broadcasters couldn't figure out why jenks was throwing so much breaking stuff when his fastball looked so dominating.

WhiteSoxFTW
08-05-2010, 04:52 PM
Hello,folks....

JJ Putz was bad yesterday.
Thornton was bad today.
Sergio has been bad in some outing recently.
Bobby was bad today...

Get over it. Bobby has how many saves in his career?
He was throwing the ball fine today cept for breaking stuff.
Fans think that the other three will never blow a save?
No chance.

Uh....that's been his problem all year. If he can't get the breaking stuff over the plate, guys will key on his fastball...which is EXACTLY what happened in Seattle. (I haven't seen today's game on Gameday.)

RANDY WILES
08-05-2010, 04:53 PM
Jenks problems are between his ears. He has a few games of being lights out and then a few bad games. But, you can't keep expecting Ozzie to have a light a fire under his ass all the time.
Great post. Why doesn't Ozzie know this.

SI1020
08-05-2010, 04:54 PM
I'm fine with that, but what does that have to do with the fact that he continues blowing games for us and has an era over 5?

Does some team grabbing him excuse him for that? Does that mean that he will suddenly become a God of baseball again? Of course not. Just a little perspective. Get him out of that closer's role maybe but don't get so mad you want to release him and not get a bag of balls in return. Anway, forget it. Have a cold beer and celebrate another Sox win. Even if it was nerve wracking.

Uncontested
08-05-2010, 04:54 PM
He has given up runs in 12 of his 44 appearances. I wonder how that compares to other closers. In other words, is he consistently giving up runs, or is he just getting bashed when he does?


Fun stat, he has given up more ER than he did any time in his career aside from 2006

2006 he gave up 31 ER, which is on pace to far surpass.

His WHIP? Worst of his career.

FielderJones
08-05-2010, 04:56 PM
This. People who keep trying to flame those of us who bash Jenks, yet he consistently gives up runs. 5+ ERA for a closer... how about no.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/player/gamelogs/2010/288962

Had a great June, fell off in July but finished strong into August with four consecutive runless appearances, including three 1-2-3 innings, then fell apart today. He's inconsistent, not consistently giving up runs.

If Ozzie went to closer by committee it wouldn't bother me, but I would not be so quick to put Jenks out on the waiver wire or DFA him. With the right pitch selection he can be very good.

SoxSpeed22
08-05-2010, 05:01 PM
Could've gone without that 3 run homer in the 9th, but good teammates pick each other up. Oh, and nice job by Freddy.
See you next year, Tigers.

FielderJones
08-05-2010, 05:02 PM
He has given up runs in 12 of his 44 appearances. I wonder how that compares to other closers. In other words, is he consistently giving up runs, or is he just getting bashed when he does?

In 7 of those 12, he has given up more than 1 run. So he has been bashed more often than not.

Craig Grebeck
08-05-2010, 05:02 PM
Good job Kotsay.

october23sp
08-05-2010, 05:03 PM
Who's PTC?

hawkjt
08-05-2010, 05:04 PM
Uh....that's been his problem all year. If he can't get the breaking stuff over the plate, guys will key on his fastball...which is EXACTLY what happened in Seattle. (I haven't seen today's game on Gameday.)


Watch the game when your blood pressure is stable. Actually Bobby did throw a couple of good breaking balls,but a couple of bad ones...the one he hit Santiago on ,and then the one to Raeburn.

Now if Bobby is insisting on throwing those pitches, that is an issue with his judgement,but if those are called by Ramon or the bench...they should re-think those decisions.

canOcorn
08-05-2010, 05:05 PM
We're facing a rightie in Baltimore tomorrow.

First person that bitches about Kotsay being in the lineup tomorrow needs to be banned for life. The man earned a reprieve today.

One game doesn't make up for a season full of ineptitude. Linebrink threw 2+ innings of scoreless ball on Tuesday. Does that mean we should be trotting him out there in meaningful situations?

Congrats Mr. Kotsay, you were the hero today!

EdHerman12
08-05-2010, 05:05 PM
This was the exact same game that happened in Tampa Bay. Except no ceiling here.

Yeah...was that riduculous down there or what?

Oh well...it was nerve racking..but the Boys got it done...On to the land of crab cakes....and Boog Powell barbecue! :gulp:

GO SOX!

eastchicagosoxfan
08-05-2010, 05:18 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of 6 shots, 7 hookers, and a steak, but to each his own...
7 hookers? :redneck

eastchicagosoxfan
08-05-2010, 05:18 PM
Yeah...was that riduculous down there or what?

Oh well...it was nerve racking..but the Boys got it done...On to the land of crab cakes....and Boog Powell barbecue! :gulp:

GO SOX!
It beats what many of us were expecting at this time back in early June.

kevingrt
08-05-2010, 05:21 PM
Maybe a step in the right direction for Kotsay? Just maybe...

Nice win though especially considering the disaster that was the bottom of the 9th.

voodoochile
08-05-2010, 05:27 PM
I know I am just nit-picking, but I have always been bothered by the games over .500 thing.

The sox have played 108 games and are 62-46 (16 over by your count). If they played .500 baseball, they would be 54-54. So, they are only eight games over .500 in my book.

Am I the only idiot that has seriously spent time thinking about this? Lol.


We've had massive discussions about this before. The Sox are 16 games over .500 and 8 games in front of another team who is at .500. That's because on any given day there is the chance the difference between the two teams can change by 2 games (one wins and one loses). That's why every game played is only worth 1/2 game in terms of the standings.

kufram
08-05-2010, 05:30 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of 6 shots, 7 hookers, and a steak, but to each his own...


Been there. Done that!

voodoochile
08-05-2010, 05:32 PM
Had an appointment at 1:00 local time and was supposed to be on the road at 12:30 which was about the time the top of the 9th ended. I was delaying and delaying to leave then well... you know what happened... so I immediately shut off the TV and headed out. When my appointment ended I checked the score on my Blackberry and was rewarded to see the Sox had pulled it out. Then I checked the box score and seeing who the hero was nearly got run over by a car in the parking lot because I stopped to gawk at the screen in disbelief. Fortunately I lived. Fortunately today Mark was a baseball gawd. Too bad Bobby wasn't, but in the end the team did not stop and that led to...

:soxwin:

16 games over! :)

:supernana: :bandance:

gogosox675
08-05-2010, 05:34 PM
Hello,folks....

JJ Putz was bad yesterday.
Thornton was bad today.
Sergio has been bad in some outing recently.
Bobby was bad today...

Get over it. Bobby has how many saves in his career?
He was throwing the ball fine today cept for breaking stuff.
Fans think that the other three will never blow a save?
No chance.


I understand your point, but I don't think the amount of saves he has in his career is relevant in this particular discussion. I know he's racked up a ton of saves in his career, but we can't keep giving him the benefit of the doubt because he was good in the past. I'm not saying he should be pulled from the closer job yet, but we should start thinking about it if Bobby continues to blow saves.

spawn
08-05-2010, 05:34 PM
Who's PTC?

I think it's obvious...

whitesox4eva
08-05-2010, 05:35 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of 6 shots, 7 hookers, and a steak, but to each his own...

:thumbsup:

kufram
08-05-2010, 05:35 PM
I don't know what Ozzie should do with Jenks. I think he could cost us some huge games down the stretch! I can't figure out what's wrong with him.. or how much of his control issues are mental?


I think there is only one thing he can do with him. Have the team shave him and burn his beard on the mound. Seriously.... the beard is the problem, can't understand why nobody sees this.

TDog
08-05-2010, 05:39 PM
HR, Triple, 5 RBIs--Have yourself an outing!

I only counted four RBI, although he also got a single. Maybe if Kotsay didn't suck he would have hit for the cycle. Teal implied.

The White Sox could have lost this game in the eighth after Thornton walked the first two Tigers hitters. There really isn't anything bad, though you can say about this win. It wasn't predicted by form, what people expect when they look at what players have done, but days like that will happen. Garcia allowed just the solo home run in the seventh to the Tigers, Kotsay was the hitting star. Jenks lost the lead and Rios and Ramirez were the only Sox hitters, including late substitutions, without hits. In fact, it was Lillibridge and Jones who got hits before the Kotsay triple. I really wanted Ramirez to drive him in, but two runs proved plenty.

I don't mean to pick on Rios, but he had another horrible day. (I wonder if he needs a day off -- Monday's being followed by two games on Tuesday). The Sox picked up Rios a little over a year ago, and he hit .199 the last six weeks of the season. The dynamics are different this August. I have no reason to believe he will disappear offensively in 2010. But credit the White Sox offense for picking him up. The White Sox have won nine of their last 11 and have scored 64 runs in those nine wins.

And finally, I noticed that while calling up Torres for the night game Tuesday, may have led to a loss, but it appears to have set up the rotation nicely as Danks-Floyd-Buehrle-Jackson-Garcia.

This looks like a team that can keep winning.

hawkjt
08-05-2010, 05:39 PM
I understand your point, but I don't think the amount of saves he has in his career is relevant in this particular discussion. I know he's racked up a ton of saves in his career, but we can't keep giving him the benefit of the doubt because he was good in the past. I'm not saying he should be pulled from the closer job yet, but we should start thinking about it if Bobby continues to blow saves.


My point was that closer is a unique spot. Right now only Putz has done it before. Bobby has gone thru the fire before. Thornton and Sergio have not. I think Bobby is healthy and throwing hard. We know he can handle the pressure of that position. Fine tuning is needed ,yes, but he is our guy.

Tragg
08-05-2010, 05:41 PM
Great job by Santos too. He got the win, and closed his own game.

hawkjt
08-05-2010, 05:44 PM
I only counted four RBI, although he also got a single. Maybe if Kotsay didn't suck he would have hit for the cycle. Teal implied.

The White Sox could have lost this game in the eighth after Thornton walked the first two Tigers hitters. There really isn't anything bad, though you can say about this win. It wasn't predicted by form, what people expect when they look at what players have done, but days like that will happen. Garcia allowed just the solo home run in the seventh to the Tigers, Kotsay was the hitting star. Jenks lost the lead and Rios and Ramirez were the only Sox hitters, including late substitutions, without hits. In fact, it was Lillibridge and Jones who got hits before the Kotsay triple. I really wanted Ramirez to drive him in, but two runs proved plenty.

I don't mean to pick on Rios, but he had another horrible day. (I wonder if he needs a day off -- Monday's being followed by two games on Tuesday). The Sox picked up Rios a little over a year ago, and he hit .199 the last six weeks of the season. The dynamics are different this August. I have no reason to believe he will disappear offensively in 2010. But credit the White Sox offense for picking him up. The White Sox have won nine of their last 11 and have scored 64 runs in those nine wins.

And finally, I noticed that while calling up Torres for the night game Tuesday, may have led to a loss, but it appears to have set up the rotation nicely as Danks-Floyd-Buehrle-Jackson-Garcia.

This looks like a team that can keep winning.


Some good points. Alex is struggling. His bat looks tired. I say give him at least one day off with Andruw or Lillibeast out there. They both came thru today...huge hits. I am worried that Alex is wearing down...which could explain last years horrible august/sept.
And as you note, setting up the rotation was a necessary pill to swallow and the sox paid in the Torres outing,but going forward I really like our matchups the next two weeks. Huge weeks. Weeks that can give the Sox a cushion or make it tough sledding with the Red Sox and Yanks coming to town.

voodoochile
08-05-2010, 05:46 PM
And finally, I noticed that while calling up Torres for the night game Tuesday, may have led to a loss, but it appears to have set up the rotation nicely as Danks-Floyd-Buehrle-Jackson-Garcia.

This looks like a team that can keep winning.

Yeah, they also were able to give everyone an extra day off too and I think it's a good time for it. We're into the rough part of the year before the adrenaline of a September push kicks in but still lots of tired arms and bodies out there. Danks in particular has been looking a little shaky these past few outings so the extra day off for him is definitely a good thing.

I am glad to have a manager and pitching coach who understand that sometimes you roll the dice on a less than perfect option to set things up for later in the week/month/year and hope for the best as they did with Torres.

Ozzie seems adept at giving people adequate rest so they stay fresher. I do agree that maybe Alex needs a day off. Jones had a hit tonight, perhaps he can start in CF tomorrow and let Alex DH or even not play at all.

asindc
08-05-2010, 05:48 PM
Some good points. Alex is struggling. His bat looks tired. I say give him at least one day off with Andruw or Lillibeast out there. They both came thru today...huge hits. I am worried that Alex is wearing down...which could explain last years horrible august/sept.
And as you note, setting up the rotation was a necessary pill to swallow and the sox paid in the Torres outing,but going forward I really like our matchups the next two weeks. Huge weeks. Weeks that can give the Sox a cushion or make it tough sledding with the Red Sox and Yanks coming to town.

I've also noticed that Rios is listless at the plate lately. I wouldn't mind it if he sat the next 2-3 games, except for emergency pinch-hit situations. It is critical that he stays mentally focused and sharp. Jones can handle CF while Rios sits, and Camden Yards is made for his HR-or-nothing swing.

balke
08-05-2010, 05:50 PM
I think the story here is less about Bobby and more about how Santos picked him up.

If this bullpen can continue to pick each other up - they will win these close ones everytime. Good to have depth for days when Bobby/Putz/Linebrink and even Thornton and Santos occasionally just don't have it.

voodoochile
08-05-2010, 05:50 PM
Great job by Santos too. He got the win, and closed his own game.

The development path that Coop and Ozzie set for him is a testament to great coaching/handling, IMO.

Help him figure out his stuff where he's raw but effective, work him into harder and harder settings then back off, tweak him so he finds more consistency and is able to get his breaking pitches over more consistently or at least make them look more like strikes when he releases them. Sit back and reap the results. The stuff he's showing right now is light years beyond the raw talent he was to start the season.

Before he was all potential and raw ability. Now he's a pitcher.

kufram
08-05-2010, 05:51 PM
Re: Bobby. The thing is.. we are where we are. You start moving things around in a bullpen that has been so good and the whole dynamic might be lost and cost you more than three blown saves that lose two games.

Best thing is to score more runs and not need saves. Santos looks the real deal to me.

This team has got some magic, though, doesn't it? Rios has a bad patch and who steps in and picks him up?... only the worst hitter on the team. THAT is the kind of team that has the x factor that teams with all the best players money can buy don't necessarily have.

TommyGavinFloyd
08-05-2010, 05:52 PM
Glad we got one of the "other 42" today. Good job by kotsay. Nice to see Jones' hit in the 11th too. Not much to complain about other than Bobby. Rios is slumping a little but hopefully Baltimore is just what he needs.

Chi Dye
08-05-2010, 06:05 PM
Wow, what a turnaround! I wonder what pace they were on 2 months ago today (June 5)?

It won't let me post the Excel sheet, but here's an image at least.

TDog
08-05-2010, 06:06 PM
Yeah, they also were able to give everyone an extra day off too and I think it's a good time for it. ...

Thank you for making a point I forgot to make. The Sox actually had two consecutive starts from pitchers filling the Peavy void. When they traded for Jackson (I didn't imagine there was any way they could possibly have considered trading him), I thought it would work out nicely with the doubleheader coming up. But that would have required either Buehrle or Jackson to have gone on short rest going into the Twins series.

Coops4Aces
08-05-2010, 06:14 PM
So I was just listening to 670 and they mentioned Bobby's day/night splits.

Day: 15.2IP, BAA .324, 8.04 ERA
Night: 23.2IP, BAA .218, 2.28 ERA

:o: Wowzers

oeo
08-05-2010, 06:17 PM
I think Bobby gets complacent out there when he has a bigger lead. With the exception of the Twins game, where had nothing, this has been the case. Bobby used to get pumped up after converting a save, he doesn't seem too excited out there, almost like he doesn't want to be there sometimes.

His stuff was pretty nasty today, it wasn't like he was pitching lousy. He made two mistakes: hitting Santiago with a 1-2 count and then hanging that breaking ball to Raburn. I'm going to stick behind him, but would like to see some more energy from him. If you want to close games, start acting like you want to.

SCCWS
08-05-2010, 06:18 PM
Putz needs to close games. Now. Until he proves he can't.

Is that the same Putz who came on last night and had to be baled out by Thornton???

sox1970
08-05-2010, 06:18 PM
So I was just listening to 670 and they mentioned Bobby's day/night splits.

Day: 15.2IP, BAA .324, 8.04 ERA
Night: 23.2IP, BAA .218, 2.28 ERA

:o: Wowzers

With the way Jenks sucks against the Orioles, the Sox might want to score a lot of runs on Sunday afternoon.

oeo
08-05-2010, 06:23 PM
Is that the same Putz who came on last night and had to be baled out by Thornton???

And the same one who threw a 1-0 cookie to Peralta which luckily was turned into a double play thanks to a great play by Alexei. Putz appears to be in a bit of a rut right now too. Lately, he's been getting everything up.

HomeFish
08-05-2010, 06:28 PM
Hopefully J.J. Putz is our closer now.

SCCWS
08-05-2010, 06:30 PM
Maybe Sale will help resolve the Jenks issue. The Sox have Jenks, Putz and Thornton with Santos and Sale. Just in the last few weeks, we have seen one case where Thornton and Putz came in in the 7/8th and had to get pulled. Jenks has had 3 cases where he came in and showed nothing. The good thing was when Putz and Thornton had their bad outings, they got baled by the other and Jenks. But when Kenks comes in with nothing, usually Putz and Thornton have been used.

Maybe temporarily, Ozzie can use a Santos/Thornton setup before Bobby w a Putz held back as insurance-----or a Putz/Sale setup w Thornton behind Bobby. That way as soon as Bobby starts to have a problem he gets pulled just like Putz did last night.

cub killer
08-05-2010, 06:31 PM
Kot-say can you see?! By the dawn's early light...

HomeFish
08-05-2010, 06:36 PM
Have we seen anything from Ozzie about Jenks being dethroned as closer?

JB98
08-05-2010, 06:39 PM
I think Bobby gets complacent out there when he has a bigger lead. With the exception of the Twins game, where had nothing, this has been the case. Bobby used to get pumped up after converting a save, he doesn't seem too excited out there, almost like he doesn't want to be there sometimes.

His stuff was pretty nasty today, it wasn't like he was pitching lousy. He made two mistakes: hitting Santiago with a 1-2 count and then hanging that breaking ball to Raburn. I'm going to stick behind him, but would like to see some more energy from him. If you want to close games, start acting like you want to.

Ahh, so it was a hanging breaking ball? I've been very, very busy at work this week and missed the ninth inning.

I noted last night that Jenks was struggling with his breaking ball, despite retiring the side in order.

Bobby's velocity has been there all year. An inconsistent breaking ball has caused all these issues, IMO. Was the HBP on a breaking ball as well?

Dibbs
08-05-2010, 07:01 PM
Thank you Mark Kotsay! You have to feel good for that guy today. However, it almost makes it worse. This is the type of production we would get more often if we had a legitimate DH. (yes I know he played 1B, but it is a shell game). It is scary how good this team could be if we would have added one more bat.

HomeFish
08-05-2010, 07:04 PM
Thank you Mark Kotsay! You have to feel good for that guy today. However, it almost makes it worse. This is the type of production we would get more often if we had a legitimate DH. (yes I know he played 1B, but it is a shell game). It is scary how good this team could be if we would have added one more bat.

We have an exciting bat in Viciedo. He can replace Kotsay.

Dibbs
08-05-2010, 07:09 PM
We have an exciting bat in Viciedo. He can replace Kotsay.

I agree, but it is obvious that will not happen at this point. I try not to think about it because I get riled up every time I do.

Zakath
08-05-2010, 07:40 PM
I've also noticed that Rios is listless at the plate lately. I wouldn't mind it if he sat the next 2-3 games, except for emergency pinch-hit situations. It is critical that he stays mentally focused and sharp. Jones can handle CF while Rios sits, and Camden Yards is made for his HR-or-nothing swing.

There are 59 days left between now and the end of the regular season, and we have a grand total of 5 off-days between now and then. Rios needs to be mentally there for the long haul, so I agree to a certain extent. I might not give him 2 or 3 days off, but I'd give him at least one in the Baltimore series and then try to give him one right before an off day or right after one. His struggles at the plate haven't hurt his defense, but you don't want to take the chance that it might, especially given how much ground he covers in CF.

When we have a "backup" who won 10 Gold Gloves playing CF, Rios doesn't have to be out there every day.

Hitmen77
08-05-2010, 07:45 PM
FWIW, the Sox are now just 0.5 games behind the Rangers W-L record and 5 games behind the Rays.

I know, I'm just worried about winning the Central too, but if this team can keep winning games, it isn't going to be so obvious that the top Central team is far behind the AL's elite.

If the Sox are serious contenders, then we should rack up at least 3 wins in Baltimore. After that comes the real test as we face the Twins again.

asindc
08-05-2010, 07:55 PM
FWIW, the Sox are now just 0.5 games behind the Rangers W-L record and 5 games behind the Rays.

I know, I'm just worried about winning the Central too, but if this team can keep winning games, it isn't going to be so obvious that the top Central team is far behind the AL's elite.

If the Sox are serious contenders, then we should rack up at least 3 wins in Baltimore. After that comes the real test as we face the Twins again.

I've been saying all along that beyond the primary goal of staying in first place in the Central, the secondary goal should be to catch at least one of NYY or Tampa.

tstrike2000
08-05-2010, 07:57 PM
Holy implosion at the closer position, Batman. But.....KOTSAY!!

soxfanreggie
08-05-2010, 07:59 PM
Kotsay reminds me of a player I used to have with his game today. If he can keep it up, he's worth having around. If he turns out like she did later in her career, she was on the bench except as a PH.

She batted between .200 and .210 over her first two years, but every 5-7 games, usually when the rest of the team was struggling, she'd have a game where she was 2-3 or 3-4 with a couple homers/doubles and drive in 3-4 runs. Her sophomore year, she even beat two nationally ranked teams with her bat. Later in her career, those games happened only a few times a season, so we couldn't put her in the line-up waiting for her to carry the teams for a game.

Hopefully Kotsay uses today as a jump start or at least turns into the bat that can carry the team on an off day for the rest of our hitters.

guillensdisciple
08-05-2010, 08:04 PM
We have to think sweep in Baltimore, and even though the Orioles have been playing inspired baseball, they have not faced quality pitching like the White Sox will provide.

Have to come in there going for the kill. Sweep out and you're 20 games over going home against the Twins.

The Twins play a tough 3 game series against the pesky Indians coming up, so the White Sox could gain ground or at least maintain the same lead pending on whether we sweep or win the series.

A series win is vital though.

goon
08-05-2010, 08:06 PM
He put the pop on it.

RadioheadRocks
08-05-2010, 08:15 PM
anyone that actually watched this outing by bobby would know that he is throwing the ball better than when he blew the two vs the twins and m's.
He hit 97mph on the gun, and really only threw a couple bad pitches in the whole inning. I think calling for a breaking ball was stupid by ramon or the dugout on raeburn...he could not catch up to bobbys heat.
And calling for the breaking ball on the prior batter that got hit,same deal...he had no shot against the heat.

So, for all you calling bobby names,or for him to be demoted or released?, please know that bobby had nasty stuff and is throwing the ball very well. If you persist,it is baseball stupid.

Nice job by freddy,and kotsay.


+1

slavko
08-05-2010, 08:21 PM
Agreed. I really don't know what Ozzie should do. But we need Jenks to not blow 3 saves in 2 weeks if we're going to finish ahead of the Twins.

Like you said, we pretty much have to live and die with him.

We replaced Shingo and Hermie in '05, didn't we?

I say give the ball to Santos in the 9th. I think he has it.

Looked like it today.

So I was just listening to 670 and they mentioned Bobby's day/night splits.

Day: 15.2IP, BAA .324, 8.04 ERA
Night: 23.2IP, BAA .218, 2.28 ERA

:o: Wowzers

Doesn't resemble Count Dracula otherwise.

Ahh, so it was a hanging breaking ball? I've been very, very busy at work this week and missed the ninth inning.

I noted last night that Jenks was struggling with his breaking ball, despite retiring the side in order.

Bobby's velocity has been there all year. An inconsistent breaking ball has caused all these issues, IMO. Was the HBP on a breaking ball as well?

Either he can snap it off and not control it or the opposite. Neither one gets the job done.

cws05champ
08-05-2010, 08:40 PM
He has given up runs in 12 of his 44 appearances. I wonder how that compares to other closers. In other words, is he consistently giving up runs, or is he just getting bashed when he does?
Compare that to Putz who has given up runs in 4 of his 41 appearances.

Also, Jenks Career numbers against the Orioles: 1-2, 7.98 ERA, 2.182 WHIP By far the worst against any opponent. It may not be the best idea for him to close this weekend.

FielderJones
08-05-2010, 09:56 PM
Bobby's velocity has been there all year. An inconsistent breaking ball has caused all these issues, IMO. Was the HBP on a breaking ball as well?

Gameday listed the HBP as a curve.

October26
08-06-2010, 12:12 AM
Fantastic White Sox winner today despite the blown save. I'm happy for Mark Kotsay and am always glad to see players wearing a White sox uniform do well (yes, even Linebrink).

Go Sox!:bandance:

soxfanreggie
08-06-2010, 07:21 AM
I'm sure this has been mentioned somewhere T some point, but if not, Congratulations Juan on your 500th career steal! Juan is #1 in steals among active players (leading #2 Carl Crawford by 100 SBs).

hdog1017
08-06-2010, 08:23 AM
Don't stop now boys

TomBradley72
08-06-2010, 08:23 AM
I'm sure this has been mentioned somewhere T some point, but if not, Congratulations Juan on your 500th career steal! Juan is #1 in steals among active players (leading #2 Carl Crawford by 100 SBs).

Pierre worked very hard yesterday....he was all over the place...3 attempted steals, a hit, running/bobbling catch in the outfield...that guy plays HARD.

hawkjt
08-06-2010, 09:23 AM
Pierre worked very hard yesterday....he was all over the place...3 attempted steals, a hit, running/bobbling catch in the outfield...that guy plays HARD.


Good point. Juan has caught pretty much everything that has been hit to left this year and that was one of his best. A catch like that changes the game. Brain cramp on that 1st inning attempted steal of third,but that will happen when you have that agressive of a stealer.

At this point, I am just praying we stay healthy...knock on wood. All this running could be a bit dangerous to Juan,Alex,Alexei,Gordo,Omar and Andruw.

harwar
08-06-2010, 09:24 AM
Nice to see some of the balls that Kotsay hit hard finally falling in(or going out) for him .. i'm hoping that Bobby Jenks problem yesterday was more what was called than him being bad .. Juan Pierre looked like he was trying to be Lou Brock yesterday .. Ryan Raburn reminds me of Jason bartlett that used to kill us when he played for the twins .. i expect to see viciedo tonight since we face a lefty, man-o-manischewitz that kid hits the ball hard ..

Craig Grebeck
08-06-2010, 12:08 PM
Pierre worked very hard yesterday....he was all over the place...3 attempted steals, a hit, running/bobbling catch in the outfield...that guy plays HARD.

Twice he was caught stealing. He plays hard and stupid at times.

MetroPD
08-06-2010, 12:13 PM
5.13 era isnt gonna cut it Bobby, neither is allowing the opposition to hit almost .270 against you.

TomBradley72
08-06-2010, 12:42 PM
Twice he was caught stealing. He plays hard and stupid at times.

One way of looking at it...on the other hand the guy completely busts his ass every day. The 1st caught stealing was "stupid", the 2nd was simply a caught stealing.

His SB% is 75% which is pretty good for a guy leading the league in stolen bases, he's played great defense, and he's hitting .306 since the All Star break.

Other than the 1st caught stealing yesterday..when else has he "played stupid"?