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DirtySox
07-31-2010, 11:30 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-white-sox-manny-ramirez-073110

VMSNS
07-31-2010, 11:42 AM
Well, it looks like we're failing at all trades lately...

Martinigirl
07-31-2010, 11:48 AM
For all the snide comments about Kenny and what he "hasn't done," he has put together a team that is currently in first place. I think to assume any of you would be better at his job than he is, might be slightly off base.

harwar
07-31-2010, 11:52 AM
i guess that's the "shock the world" thing Cowley was talking about then .. no doubt the guy can still hit if he feels like playing that day ..

sox1970
07-31-2010, 11:53 AM
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/20000408410

Nice try!

southside rocks
07-31-2010, 11:54 AM
For all the snide comments about Kenny and what he "hasn't done," he has put together a team that is currently in first place. I think to assume any of you would be better at his job than he is, might be slightly off base.

And he's done it for more than just one year.

Of course, innumerable internet posters could have done better!

I guess Ozzie was right when he said 'the farther away from home plate you sit, the more you think you know about the game.' :rolleyes:

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 12:01 PM
So the Sox not only did not want to send a prospect but also wanted to only pay $1 million of the contract :scratch:

That's Kenny doing his Flea Market Shopping for you.

Surprised he was not willing ot take on Manny money but took on all of the Jackson contract plus our best prospect.

Something not right here.

Foulke You
07-31-2010, 12:05 PM
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/20000408410

Nice try!
How can that possibly be accurate? If that was indeed Kenny's proposal, then it wasn't much of a proposal. "We don't want to give you any players and we want you to pay for 90% of his salary." Why would the Dodgers say yes to that? There had to be more to this proposal than these guys are getting from their sources.

ilsox7
07-31-2010, 12:09 PM
How can that possibly be accurate? If that was indeed Kenny's proposal, then it wasn't much of a proposal. "We don't want to give you any players and we want you to pay for 90% of his salary." Why would the Dodgers say yes to that? There had to be more to this proposal than these guys are getting from their sources.

Saving the Dodgers a million bucks could help them in other trades b/c they cannot add salary due to the divorce. So if this was, in fact, KW's proposal, it couldn't hurt and was not stupid to make. Hell, if the Dodgers need to scrounge up $1-2MM in savings to get Lilly, maybe they revisit it.

sox1970
07-31-2010, 12:12 PM
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/20001847239

EMachine10
07-31-2010, 12:20 PM
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/20002159974

Foulke You
07-31-2010, 12:21 PM
Here is another one that shows that Manny is still in play:

http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/20002159974

Foulke You
07-31-2010, 12:21 PM
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/20002159974
Beat me to it! :cool:

Rockabilly
07-31-2010, 12:23 PM
How healthy is Manny? it seems likes he has been on the DL forever

EMachine10
07-31-2010, 12:24 PM
Beat me to it! :cool:
Sorry :cool:

I actually wouldn't mind Manny too much here. He can be a circus act sometimes, but it's not a constant saga.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 12:24 PM
How can that possibly be accurate? If that was indeed Kenny's proposal, then it wasn't much of a proposal. "We don't want to give you any players and we want you to pay for 90% of his salary." Why would the Dodgers say yes to that? There had to be more to this proposal than these guys are getting from their sources.
I think that was KW setting the table. At best we steal him, at worst we get the Dodgers mind spinning about a possible deal where KW either today or in August go back in for the attack.

Crede24Thome25
07-31-2010, 12:32 PM
Dodgers asked for Viciedo in return
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/20003119946

Chicken Dinner
07-31-2010, 12:32 PM
The Sox don't need a Manny!

Hitmen77
07-31-2010, 12:32 PM
How healthy is Manny? it seems likes he has been on the DL forever

He's only had 3 ABs in the past month.

I haven't been following him. Is he close to coming back. No point in trading for someone who is just going to be on the shelf.

Rockabilly
07-31-2010, 12:33 PM
Dodgers asked for Viciedo in return
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/20003119946


not going to give up Viciedo for Manny.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 12:36 PM
I'm gonna throw this out there that i'm surprised KW and Hendry haven't even considered:
Sox get - Manny
LAD get - LIlly and Sox prospect
Cubs get -whatever LAD would give and a prospect from the Sox.

russ99
07-31-2010, 12:40 PM
So the Sox not only did not want to send a prospect but also wanted to only pay $1 million of the contract :scratch:

That's Kenny doing his Flea Market Shopping for you.

Surprised he was not willing ot take on Manny money but took on all of the Jackson contract plus our best prospect.

Something not right here.

Seems like everyone wants Viciedo for an impact player, but Kenny doesn't want to move him.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 12:41 PM
I think Manny can still sell tickets, and also hit better than Kotsay/Jones.

I would do it.

Rockabilly
07-31-2010, 12:41 PM
https://twitter.com/JimBowdenXMFOX

SOXfnNlansing
07-31-2010, 12:41 PM
I'm gonna throw this out there that i'm surprised KW and Hendry haven't even considered:
Sox get - Manny
LAD get - LIlly and Sox prospect
Cubs get -whatever LAD would give and a prospect from the Sox.

Sox getting Manny for two prospects would be a good deal. Even if he helps win one key ballgame for the Sox, it's worth it. I'm reasonably sure that the Dodger's would rather have a pitcher than the moody Manny for the possible run at the Padres, especially if they virtually don't have to pick up any salary and get a prospect to boot.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 12:42 PM
Seems like everyone wants Viciedo for an impact player, but Kenny doesn't want to move him.


Looking at how much progress Viciedo has made at the plate, I don't blame Kenny for not wanting to move him.

SephClone89
07-31-2010, 12:45 PM
https://twitter.com/JimBowdenXMFOX

Between yesterday and the Damon stuff, I don't trust this joker at all anymore.

SOX ADDICT '73
07-31-2010, 12:47 PM
I have to say, I'm a little surprised at the general reaction to this news. I would've expected a few gigantic "NO"s, followed by several exclamation points, and a couple of the vomiting-guy tags thrown in as well. Between his age, his steroid-using past, the money, and his "play until I don't feel like it" attitude, not to mention all the Manny-being-Manny bullcrap, I don't want him anywhere near this team.

Sockinchisox
07-31-2010, 12:47 PM
Sox want Manny because they think Ozzie can handle him.

http://twitter.com/dylanohernandez/status/20004140564

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 12:50 PM
I have to say, I'm a little surprised at the general reaction to this news. I would've expected a few gigantic "NO"s, followed by several exclamation points, and a couple of the vomiting-guy tags thrown in as well. Between his age, his steroid-using past, the money, and his "play until I don't feel like it" attitude, not to mention all the Manny-being-Manny bullcrap, I don't want him anywhere near this team.


At the posibility of not having Kotsay DH anymore, I would gladly eat all that vomit off the floor.

soxfanreggie
07-31-2010, 12:50 PM
I would take 1,000 trade rejections if it got a good player that will help us win the Central and beyond. It was worth a shot to see if they were willing to deal him at a song. Maybe today they offer $2 million for him.

Brian26
07-31-2010, 12:51 PM
Title of the thread has been updated, as it looks like this has a wild chance to happen before 3pm.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 12:51 PM
I have to say, I'm a little surprised at the general reaction to this news. I would've expected a few gigantic "NO"s, followed by several exclamation points, and a couple of the vomiting-guy tags thrown in as well. Between his age, his steroid-using past, the money, and his "play until I don't feel like it" attitude, not to mention all the Manny-being-Manny bullcrap, I don't want him anywhere near this team.
Age- he still hits and deal ends in 2 months
roids- he still hits and sure he used but its all about winning rght now
attitude- last time he got traded he hit like 400 and 20 hrs in those 2 months

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 12:53 PM
Between yesterday and the Damon stuff, I don't trust this joker at all anymore.
I don't question his accuracy, I question his ability to prevent himself from taking rumblings he hears, which are probably true, and presenting them as done.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:00 PM
Phil Rogers on MLB Network says every team asking for Viciedo.

dwalteroo
07-31-2010, 01:01 PM
Please no.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:04 PM
Please no.


Yeah, let's live with Kotsay the rest of the way.

sox1970
07-31-2010, 01:06 PM
Phil Rogers on MLB Network says every team asking for Viciedo.

For Jose Bautista, sure. Win now.

SOX ADDICT '73
07-31-2010, 01:07 PM
Phil Rogers on MLB Network says every team asking for Viciedo.
I hope they don't trade Viciedo after all the time and effort Hawk has devoted to sticking a nickname on him. If I took a shot every time I heard "Tank" or "Tankeroo", I'd be blitzed by the 4th inning.

Marqhead
07-31-2010, 01:07 PM
For Jose Bautista, sure. Win now.

You want what appears to be the flukiest year in the history of flukes?

SephClone89
07-31-2010, 01:08 PM
I hope they don't trade Viciedo after all the time and effort Hawk has devoted to sticking a nickname on him. If I took a shot every time I heard "Tank" or "Tankeroo", I'd be blitzed by the 4th inning.

It's not Hawk's nickname.

sox1970
07-31-2010, 01:08 PM
You want what appears to be the flukiest year in the history of flukes?

The year is still going, right?

Doesn't look like it'll happen though. Heyman just said Toronto wants an established big leaguer, like Johnathan Sanchez. Sox probably don't have a match for Bautista.

Brian26
07-31-2010, 01:09 PM
Please no.

You want to beat the Yankees in the playoffs?

Manny gives you a chance to legitimately go all the way.

SephClone89
07-31-2010, 01:11 PM
http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/status/20003114780

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:12 PM
The year is still going, right?

Doesn't look like it'll happen though. Heyman just said Toronto wants an established big leaguer, like Johnathan Sanchez. Sox probably don't have a match for Bautista.


This is what people are failing to understand here on this board.

We want to improve the DH position but we don't have the luxury to get and demand whoever we want. This is why a Ramirez type deal makes sense for us if we are Ok with paying his salary and maybe giving up an OK prospect.

EMachine10
07-31-2010, 01:14 PM
For Jose Bautista, sure. Win now.
I'd be violently ill if the Sox ever traded Viciedo for Jose Bautista.

fox23
07-31-2010, 01:14 PM
You want what appears to be the flukiest year in the history of flukes?

You mean we are trading for Brady Anderson's 1996 season?

Rohan
07-31-2010, 01:15 PM
You want to beat the Yankees in the playoffs?

Manny gives you a chance to legitimately go all the way.

This isn't the same Manny. Chances aren't good that he'll be healthy for even 75% of the games we play even into the playoffs. He's 38 years old and he's going into his third stint on the 15 day DL this year.

Viciedo is far more valuable both this year and for the future.

SOX ADDICT '73
07-31-2010, 01:16 PM
Age- he still hits and deal ends in 2 months

You're right, this by itself I wouldn't have a problem with. However...

roids- he still hits and sure he used but its all about winning rght now
Perhaps this puts me in the minority, but I wouldn't want the stink of steroid use on this team, even if it results in a championship. For me, the Red Sox titles in '04 and '07 are tainted by Manny's and Ortiz's juicing.

attitude- last time he got traded he hit like 400 and 20 hrs in those 2 months
So we're guaranteed he'll repeat this performance, 2 years' worth of injuries and a steroid suspension later?

BleacherBandit
07-31-2010, 01:17 PM
I'd hope the Kenny has more pride than to deal one of our best prospects for an aging, eccentric, injured cheater.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 01:17 PM
This isn't the same Manny. Chances aren't good that he'll be healthy for even 75% of the games we play even into the playoffs. He's 38 years old and he's going into his third stint on the 15 day DL this year.

Viciedo is far more valuable both this year and for the future.
I don't know I love Viciedo, but that may be a gamble i'm willing to take...

Rohan
07-31-2010, 01:17 PM
Manny Ramirez is one of my favorite players to watch. But I don't think he'll add anything worthwhile to this teams run.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:18 PM
This isn't the same Manny. Chances aren't good that he'll be healthy for even 75% of the games we play even into the playoffs. He's 38 years old and he's going into his third stint on the 15 day DL this year.

Viciedo is far more valuable both this year and for the future.


He's got a .925 ops in 60+ games this year.

I think that is more than serviceable. That's pretty damn good.

HRs are down because no one hits HRs at Dodger Stadium.

hawkjt
07-31-2010, 01:18 PM
I would not mind adding Manny,but not by trading Dayan.

Take on manny's big salary the rest of the year,fine...but the Dodgers only get that salary relief if they accept some lower level prospects like Nunez or Escobar...otherwise, forget it. Offer Harrell,he is a proven winner:D:

dwalteroo
07-31-2010, 01:19 PM
Yeah, let's live with Kotsay the rest of the way.

Don't get me wrong, I want to improve the DH spot, totally. Just not with Manny. Dude's been on the DL three times this year.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:19 PM
Manny Ramirez is one of my favorite players to watch. But I don't think he'll add anything worthwhile to this teams run.


And Kotsay would? :?:

Are we serious folks?

Brian26
07-31-2010, 01:19 PM
This isn't the same Manny. Chances aren't good that he'll be healthy for even 75% of the games we play even into the playoffs. He's 38 years old and he's going into his third stint on the 15 day DL this year.

Viciedo is far more valuable both this year and for the future.

I didn't say I would agree to send them Viciedo.

The Dodgers may let him go for a mid-level prospect if we eat the salary.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 01:19 PM
Manny Ramirez is one of my favorite players to watch. But I don't think he'll add anything worthwhile to this teams run.
Scariest man in baseball....a motivated Manny Ramirez.

Rohan
07-31-2010, 01:19 PM
He's got a .925 ops in 60+ games this year.

I think that is more than serviceable. That's pretty damn good.

HRs are down because no one hits HRs at Dodger Stadium.

But he's injured ALL THE TIME. A healthy Manny 10 years ago would be one thing. He can still perform when he's on the field, but he's rarely able to actually be on the field.

fox23
07-31-2010, 01:20 PM
You're right, this by itself I wouldn't have a problem with. However...


Perhaps this puts me in the minority, but I wouldn't want the stink of steroid use on this team, even if it results in a championship. For me, the Red Sox titles in '04 and '07 are tainted by Manny's and Ortiz's juicing.


So we're guaranteed he'll repeat this performance, 2 years' worth of injuries and a steroid suspension later?

We already have one, he's our supposed catcher of the future.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 01:20 PM
But he's injured ALL THE TIME. A healthy Manny 10 years ago would be one thing. He can still perform when he's on the field, but he's rarely able to actually be on the field.
You aren't asking him to play the field. You're asking him to DH. The chances he gets hurt while dhing will be minimal.

Brian26
07-31-2010, 01:21 PM
But he's injured ALL THE TIME. A healthy Manny 10 years ago would be one thing. He can still perform when he's on the field, but he's rarely able to actually be on the field.

He'd be DH'ing exclusively. No need to worry about lame injuries watching him in LF.

Rohan
07-31-2010, 01:21 PM
And Kotsay would? :?:

Are we serious folks?

No... Viciedo would. Having Kotsay DHing is unfortunate. But we have to remember we're likely losing Dayan Viciedo if this trade goes down. And that's more harmful than even 400 more Kotsay AB's this season.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:21 PM
Don't get me wrong, I want to improve the DH spot, totally. Just not with Manny. Dude's been on the DL three times this year.

So who would you like the Sox to get, being realistic about no one giving 2 cents for the prospects in our farm?


I want Dunn, I want Fielder. We don't have the pieces. Do you want Beckham traded?

I don't think so.

CLR01
07-31-2010, 01:21 PM
You want to beat the Yankees in the playoffs?

Manny gives you a chance to legitimately go all the way.


I'd rather see the team finish dead last than see that POS on the team.

We can save the eye rolls too.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 01:21 PM
No... Viciedo would. Having Kotsay DHing is unfortunate. But we have to remember we're likely losing Dayan Viciedo if this trade goes down. And that's more harmful than even 400 more Kotsay AB's this season.
It's a risk i'm willing to take for a realistic shot at a World Series.

Sockinchisox
07-31-2010, 01:22 PM
Teams might wait for waiver period for Manny.

http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/20006333413

Brian26
07-31-2010, 01:23 PM
LF Pierre
SS Ramirez
CF Rios
1B Konerko
DH Ramirez
RF Quentin
C AJ
3B Omar/Tank
2B Beckham

That is a scary lineup to go along with our pitching.

CLR01
07-31-2010, 01:23 PM
He'd be DH'ing exclusively. No need to worry about lame injuries watching him in LF.

Ozzie doesn't know what DH exclusively means.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:23 PM
But he's injured ALL THE TIME. A healthy Manny 10 years ago would be one thing. He can still perform when he's on the field, but he's rarely able to actually be on the field.


I would take Babe Ruth 90 years ago, but sadly I can't have him.

sox1970
07-31-2010, 01:24 PM
Teams might wait for waiver period for Manny.

http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/20006333413

I don't think Kenny is going to wait around for that day to come.

SOX ADDICT '73
07-31-2010, 01:24 PM
It's not Hawk's nickname.
Feel free to enlighten me on its origin. All I know is that Hawk has been pushing it like TBS promoting "Frank TV" during the '07 playoffs, and that he takes a great deal of pride in his ability to generate nicknames that stick.

soxnut1018
07-31-2010, 01:24 PM
I would take Babe Ruth 90 years ago, but sadly I can't have him.

I would take Babe Ruth now over Kotsay.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:25 PM
I'd rather see the team finish dead last than see that POS on the team.

We can save the eye rolls too.


Did he rape or murder someone :scratch:

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:25 PM
I would take Babe Ruth now over Kotsay.


lol !

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 01:25 PM
Ozzie doesn't know what DH exclusively means.
I think with manny he would.

SephClone89
07-31-2010, 01:26 PM
I would take Babe Ruth 90 years ago, but sadly I can't have him.

Oh man, would he solve our DH situation in a hurry or what? Too bad this team is so cheap.

Feel free to enlighten me on its origin. All I know is that Hawk has been pushing it like TBS promoting "Frank TV" during the '07 playoffs, and that he takes a great deal of pride in his ability to generate nicknames that stick.

The name came about in spring training. From the guys, I think. Not anything to do with Hawk.

EDIT: Here we go. Apparently Ozzie gave him the name waaaay back during ST of '09.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090303&content_id=3912266&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Sockinchisox
07-31-2010, 01:27 PM
Sox yet to hear back from Dodgers, reportedly moving on.

http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/20006621231

sox1970
07-31-2010, 01:28 PM
I'm surprised we're not hearing Luke Scott and Adam LaRoche's names being talked about more.

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 01:28 PM
I'd rather see the team finish dead last than see that POS on the team.

We can save the eye rolls too.

I agree with you. I know you're supposed to root for the uniform, blah blah, blah, but I wouldn't be able to. Luckily, I am not a GM.

Although Manny in our lineup is a tantalizing thought.

Rohan
07-31-2010, 01:29 PM
I would take Babe Ruth 90 years ago, but sadly I can't have him.

How utterly pointless.

Ozzie doesn't know what DH exclusively means.

He would if we had someone who can pretty much only hit (like Manny)

I don't think Kenny is going to wait around for that day to come.

I hope he does. Dayan Viciedo has so much to prove. He's hitting .322 in 59 ABs, 26 of which have been away. Even with Dayan being limited in playtime for the sake of learning, he could still very well get more time in the batters box for the rest of the season.

Having Manny on the roster may make us look a bit more intimidating, but Viciedo would actually produce.

CLR01
07-31-2010, 01:29 PM
Did he rape or murder someone :scratch:



probably

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:30 PM
Sox yet to hear back from Dodgers, reportedly moving on.

http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/20006621231


With the Lebron saga and now this trade deadline, I have learned to hate Twitter.

Everyone is an "Insider" using Twitter, and everyone has sources (not mentioned),

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 01:31 PM
With the Lebron saga and now this trade deadline, I have learned to hate Twitter.

Everyone is an "Insider" using Twitter, and everyone has sources (not mentioned),

Just follow the legit sources, like Heyman. Don't bother with anyone else.

Domeshot17
07-31-2010, 01:31 PM
How utterly pointless.



He would if we had someone who can pretty much only hit (like Manny)



I hope he does. Dayan Viciedo has so much to prove. He's hitting .322 in 59 ABs, 26 of which have been away. Even with Dayan being limited in playtime for the sake of learning, he could still very well get more time in the batters box for the rest of the season.

Having Manny on the roster may make us look a bit more intimidating, but Viciedo would actually produce.

But Ozzie has made it clear Dayan won't get the chance. He will get limited time versus LHP and no time versus a righty. It is a trade or Kotsay down the stretch for 75% of the games.

chunk
07-31-2010, 01:31 PM
I'm surprised we're not hearing Luke Scott and Adam LaRoche's names being talked about more.

Supposedly the Os are so bad that they don't want to trade their better pieces out of fear of being so much worse that they have a historically poor season.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:31 PM
How utterly pointless.



.


Me pointless?


It's you the one asking for the Manny of 10 years ago. How pointless is that.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 01:32 PM
probably

lol !

hi im skot
07-31-2010, 01:32 PM
I'm surprised we're not hearing Luke Scott and Adam LaRoche's names being talked about more.

http://objects.sonicbids.com/listing/logos/1/1390/17390.jpg

Rohan
07-31-2010, 01:33 PM
Me pointless?


It's you the one asking for the Manny of 10 years ago. How pointless is that.

I wasn't asking for the Manny of 10 years ago. I was pointing out that this isn't the same Manny of 10 years ago. Sorry... I assumed that people knew how to read simple English. He's far less healthy and sees far fewer at bats because of his health.

He's easily one of the most talented guys in baseball -- But that doesn't do much for a team if he's on the DL.

Domeshot17
07-31-2010, 01:34 PM
http://objects.sonicbids.com/listing/logos/1/1390/17390.jpg

Nope, It is 100% because Kenny knows he can get a guy like this in August. Barring something fast coming together late, its a big bat or bust today (which is perfectly fine to approach it this way. The only fear is if you hit a cold stretch and land Laroche or Scott a week too late, you might be chasing 3-4 games).

SOX ADDICT '73
07-31-2010, 01:34 PM
EDIT: Here we go. Apparently Ozzie gave him the name waaaay back during ST of '09.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090303&content_id=3912266&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
Nice work from the Research Department! Though I thought Ozzie was calling him "The Cuban Muscle" (to go along with the previous year's "Cuban Missile")...

october23sp
07-31-2010, 01:35 PM
Well I went out last night during the game and I just got back being able to follow this stuff. We are getting Manny?:scratch:

Brian26
07-31-2010, 01:36 PM
Just follow the legit sources, like Heyman. Don't bother with anyone else.

Right. There are four guys to follow: Rosenthal, Heyman, Olney and maybe Nightengale.

thomas35forever
07-31-2010, 01:37 PM
Well I went out last night during the game and I just got back being able to follow this stuff. We are getting Manny?:scratch:
Not likely. This link should recap it.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/white-sox-made-failed-run-at-manny-ramirez.html

Rockabilly
07-31-2010, 01:40 PM
Right. There are four guys to follow: Rosenthal, Heyman, Olney and maybe Nightengale.

Stark and Tim K is also legit sources

...
07-31-2010, 01:40 PM
I'd rather see the team finish dead last than see that POS on the team.

We can save the eye rolls too.

:rolleyes:

MeteorsSox4367
07-31-2010, 01:40 PM
MLB Network reporting that Sox are/were one of three teams interested in Manny Ramirez.

No. Bleepin'. Way.

CLR01
07-31-2010, 01:42 PM
Look before posting. :rolleyes:

Frankfan4life
07-31-2010, 01:42 PM
I seriously don't think that's going to happen (unless Kenny has lost his mind that is).

Rockabilly
07-31-2010, 01:43 PM
Cowley says Manny deal is pretty much dead.

CLR01
07-31-2010, 01:43 PM
:rolleyes:


:shrug:

MeteorsSox4367
07-31-2010, 01:44 PM
Look before posting. :rolleyes:

My bad. Wanted not to vomit before posting this. Tampa and LA Angels are also allegedly interested.

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 01:45 PM
Cowley says Manny deal is pretty much dead.

This is what drives me crazy about trade deadline - I'm not sure how much Cowley's word can be taken seriously, even though he's our beat reporter. Thoughts?

CLR01
07-31-2010, 01:47 PM
This is what drives me crazy about trade deadline - I'm not sure how much Cowley's word can be taken seriously, even though he's our beat reporter. Thoughts?


I got excited when I read that post but then I thought about it being Cowley and now I am certain that we will indeed get him. :(:

twinsuck
07-31-2010, 01:48 PM
Thank freaking god this is most likely not going to happen.

PalehosePlanet
07-31-2010, 01:48 PM
We'll take Manny's contract if they take Teahen and his contract back, or we'll split the difference. And, of course, no Dayan in the deal.

voodoochile
07-31-2010, 01:49 PM
Why would the Dodgers (who are trying to land Lilly) and are still in the playoff chase trade Manny?

Sockinchisox
07-31-2010, 01:49 PM
Tim Brown still says Sox are in on Manny.

http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/status/20008005547

Sockinchisox
07-31-2010, 01:50 PM
Why would the Dodgers (who are trying to land Lilly) and are still in the playoff chase trade Manny?

The Dodgers are hurtin' for cash, they'd like to unload Manny. They might view Pods as a more reliable player.

Rockabilly
07-31-2010, 01:52 PM
Why would the Dodgers (who are trying to land Lilly) and are still in the playoff chase trade Manny?

The Dodgers have 2 great players in the OF and 2 decent ones already.

Domeshot17
07-31-2010, 01:53 PM
Funny thing about Cowley from my buddy who is friends with the ESPN guys.....

Said he is Bruce Levine. He is just fearless of reporting any piece of info he gets from his sources, and would rather be wrong 20 times and right once then miss the chance to break news.

Harry Potter
07-31-2010, 01:53 PM
This is what drives me crazy about trade deadline - I'm not sure how much Cowley's word can be taken seriously, even though he's our beat reporter. Thoughts?

I'll take Mark Gonzales' beat coverage of the Sox over Cowley's crap anyday

sox1970
07-31-2010, 01:54 PM
I'll take Mark Gonzales' beat coverage of the Sox over Cowley's crap anyday

And you know what Gonzales is doing this weekend? Nothing.

Harry Potter
07-31-2010, 01:59 PM
And you know what Gonzales is doing this weekend? Nothing.

Perhaps but at least he isn't looking like the clown Cowley has become.

Like an earlier poster said, Cowley fits the addage of "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" to a tee. Let's sling crap and see what sticks!!!

Rockabilly
07-31-2010, 01:59 PM
https://twitter.com/BSLillibridge

Gammons Peter
07-31-2010, 02:00 PM
Funny thing about Cowley from my buddy who is friends with the ESPN guys.....

Said he is Bruce Levine. He is just fearless of reporting any piece of info he gets from his sources, and would rather be wrong 20 times and right once then miss the chance to break news.


that doesnt make sense....Cowley says he is Bruve Levine???

...
07-31-2010, 02:01 PM
:shrug:

:bandance:

LITTLE NELL
07-31-2010, 02:01 PM
The only way I want to see Manny at USCF is if we play LA in the World Series.

TomBradley72
07-31-2010, 02:14 PM
Just put Viciedo in at DH, and be done with it.

He plays 3rd 1-2 times/week...let Konerko, Rios, etc. rotate through when he's spelling Vizquel.

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 02:21 PM
Heyman says:

1 offer trom #chisox apparently had them paying $1 mil of manny salary

Sargeant79
07-31-2010, 02:22 PM
Just put Viciedo in at DH, and be done with it.

He plays 3rd 1-2 times/week...let Konerko, Rios, etc. rotate through when he's spelling Vizquel.

I'm inclined to agree at this point. Viciedo has been hitting well lately and I'm not liking the supposed prices for some of these guys.

russ99
07-31-2010, 02:22 PM
Kenny's been going after the big fish. Since nobody's biting, I'm sure he'll find someone among the lesser players who can still help the team.

We still have an hour and a half plus to go.

soltrain21
07-31-2010, 02:23 PM
Just put Viciedo in at DH, and be done with it.

He plays 3rd 1-2 times/week...let Konerko, Rios, etc. rotate through when he's spelling Vizquel.

I agree with you, but for some reason the team refuses to do that. And if my options are either Kotsay or someone out of house, I'm going with someone out of house.

guillensdisciple
07-31-2010, 02:23 PM
If this deal is completed, or if Washington gets their head out of their asses about Adam Dunn, Kenny Williams has to be the ballsiest GM in the history of baseball.

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 02:24 PM
If this deal is completed, or if Washington gets their head out of their asses about Adam Dunn, Kenny Williams has to be the ballsiest GM in the history of baseball.

He already is, IMO.

Rockabilly
07-31-2010, 02:25 PM
Dunn is in the starting line-up for tonights game

oeo
07-31-2010, 02:26 PM
Kenny's been going after the big fish. Since nobody's biting, I'm sure he'll find someone among the lesser players who can still help the team.

We still have an hour and a half plus to go.

There's still a month left to make a move for a lesser player, or even Manny.

One interesting idea I saw was a platoon of Viciedo and Teahen. Teahen was hitting RHP pretty well before his injury, and Viciedo kills LHP. Teahen could also play RF and stick Quentin at DH to keep him healthy.

You can still give more AB's out to Viciedo at 3B and 1B. If Teahen is going to be a utility player you can get him in in the OF, 3B, 1B, he even played some 2B last year.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:28 PM
Kenny's been going after the big fish. Since nobody's biting, I'm sure he'll find someone among the lesser players who can still help the team.

We still have an hour and a half plus to go.
**** getting a small fish. Is the prospects plus basically Kotsay/Jones worth for a minimal at best upgrade? No. Unless we land a Dunn, Fielder or Manny type guy I don't want to settle for a flukey Bautista or a below average Laroche. I would even be hesitant for a Luke Scott who is having a good year but ehhhh.

WhiteSox5187
07-31-2010, 02:29 PM
I don't get why LA would want to trade their best hitter. I get that they are hurting for cash, but they're still alive in the playoff hunt.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:29 PM
Dunn is in the starting line-up for tonights game
So was Jake Westbrook until about an hour before his scheduled start...

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:31 PM
I don't get why LA would want to trade their best hitter. I get that they are hurting for cash, but they're still alive in the playoff hunt.
Simple they need money. Also they just added Podsednik to go with Ethier and Kemp.

russ99
07-31-2010, 02:32 PM
There's still a month left to make a move for a lesser player, or even Manny.

One interesting idea I saw was a platoon of Viciedo and Teahen. Teahen was hitting RHP pretty well before his injury, and Viciedo kills LHP. Teahen could also play RF and stick Quentin at DH to keep him healthy.

You can still give more AB's out to Viciedo at 3B and 1B. If Teahen is going to be a utility player you can get him in in the OF, 3B, 1B, he even played some 2B last year.

It's going to be difficult to get a deal to clear waivers after the deadline. Everyone blocks first place teams.

sullythered
07-31-2010, 02:34 PM
Dayan Viciedo should just be our DH.

WhiteSox5187
07-31-2010, 02:34 PM
Simple they need money. Also they just added Podsednik to go with Ethier and Kemp.

Then why are they taking on salary with Lilly?

oeo
07-31-2010, 02:34 PM
It's going to be difficult to get a deal to clear waivers after the deadline. Everyone blocks first place teams.

Not if they don't want to be stuck with the player/contract. LaRoche should slip through, Manny should definitely slip through. And really, all we have to do is get past the Twins and Tigers (if they're still even going for it). The only other team in the hunt that's behind us is the Red Sox, and obviously that changes everyday.

Gammons Peter
07-31-2010, 02:36 PM
I'm still holding out hope for Dunn to Tampa and Sox get Carl Crawford

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:36 PM
It's going to be difficult to get a deal to clear waivers after the deadline. Everyone blocks first place teams.
History supports your statement, however history has never seen the combination of lucrative contracts and financial problems like today. If you claim someone to block you have to be willing to assume the contract.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:37 PM
Then why are they taking on salary with Lilly?
What like 1 million dollars? The Cubs kicked in 2.5 million and they need a pitcher.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:38 PM
I'm still holding out hope for Dunn to Tampa and Sox get Carl Crawford
with what Edwin Jackson to Washington?

Gammons Peter
07-31-2010, 02:39 PM
with what Edwin Jackson to Washington?

whatever it takes

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:40 PM
Just read a tweet, forgot who, Jackson for Dunn still alive but Washington still wants a prospect or 2.

Rohan
07-31-2010, 02:41 PM
Just read a tweet, forgot who, Jackson for Dunn still alive but Washington still wants a prospect or 2.

So you're citing a source who can't cite their own source? Sweet :bandance:

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:42 PM
Joel Sherman just tweeted "friend with Sox says Williams leaving deadline with a hitter, probably Dunn, but someone for sure!

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 02:42 PM
So you're citing a source who can't cite their own source? Sweet :bandance:

It was Heyman.

CAREY33
07-31-2010, 02:43 PM
I'm still holding out hope for Dunn to Tampa and Sox get Carl Crawford

Your joking, right? Why would Tampa trade Crawford?

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:44 PM
So you're citing a source who can't cite their own source? Sweet :bandance:
I've had 7 concussions in my life and my memory tends to wander in and out, plus i'm a bit lazy and didn't feel like clicking back before finishing my post....

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:45 PM
Your joking, right? Why would Tampa trade Crawford?
Free agent at end of the year and they feel need a power hitter. I don't see it as a possibility but desperation usually leads to some stupidity.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 02:45 PM
Bowden at it again saying Nats close to a Dunn deal...

Gammons Peter
07-31-2010, 02:45 PM
Your joking, right? Why would Tampa trade Crawford?

because he is going to walk after this year and they want Dunn.

CAREY33
07-31-2010, 02:47 PM
because he is going to walk after this year and they want Dunn.

Dunn is a free agent after this year as well. I just don't think they would trade a guy that is so important to them.

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 02:51 PM
Trade deadline made WSI crash for me!

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 02:52 PM
Trade deadline made WSI crash for me!


Me too.

I was gone for 20 minutes, came back, and couldn't get back in.

I thought something big had happened :(:

BigHurt3515
07-31-2010, 02:53 PM
Trade deadline made WSI crash for me!

Did u get a screen that said database failed or something like that?

SoxNation05
07-31-2010, 02:53 PM
Trade deadline made WSI crash for me!
Me too and ESPN doesn't have a special so I was going to flip.

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 02:54 PM
Did u get a screen that said database failed or something like that?

Yep. Happens sometimes. Just as long as it doesn't crash at 3:01pm! :praying:

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 02:54 PM
Me too and ESPN doesn't have a special so I was going to flip.

MLB Network is.

I am so happy to have switced over to DirecTV earlier this week..

SoxNation05
07-31-2010, 02:56 PM
MLB Network is.

I am so happy to have switced over to DirecTV earlier this week..
Obviously, I don't have MLB Network.

harwar
07-31-2010, 02:57 PM
MLB Network is.

I am so happy to have switced over to DirecTV earlier this week..

yea, they've been covering the trade stuff since 10 am CT

WhiteSox5187
07-31-2010, 02:59 PM
MLB Network is.

I am so happy to have switced over to DirecTV earlier this week..

<Sigh> I need to get that channel. I loathe ESPN.

soltrain21
07-31-2010, 02:59 PM
So Dunn is possibly back on?

Gammons Peter
07-31-2010, 02:59 PM
Dunn is a free agent after this year as well. I just don't think they would trade a guy that is so important to them.


yes, everyone knows Dunn is a FA. Tampa may value the power bat more than CC for the rest of the year.
I didnt say it was going to happen, I said I was hoping............

gr8mexico
07-31-2010, 03:03 PM
I like Manny over Dunn is it doesnt cost the Sox too many prospects

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:08 PM
Rumor is LAD wants Luke Scott. 3 way:
LAD-Scott
Sox-MAnny
BAL- Sox prospects

hi im skot
07-31-2010, 03:09 PM
Rumor is LAD wants Luke Scott. 3 way:
LAD-Scott
Sox-MAnny
BAL- Sox prospects

Where did you hear this?

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:10 PM
Now TBrown says Scott getting action but not LAD. BCKTHR ADD is the Chisox?

SoxNation05
07-31-2010, 03:10 PM
Where did you hear this?
He didn't.

Harry Potter
07-31-2010, 03:11 PM
Where did you hear this?

http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/union/images/source_logo.jpg

????

:redneck

WhiteSox1989
07-31-2010, 03:13 PM
I can't wait until 3.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:14 PM
I can't wait until 3.
Same here....

Brian26
07-31-2010, 03:15 PM
Now TBrown says Scott getting action but not LAD. BCKTHR ADD is the Chisox?

Start adding links, please.

SoxNation05
07-31-2010, 03:16 PM
Heard this: Already, a whole lot of speculation among rival FO about whether the White Sox will place a waiver claim on Manny in Aug.#trades (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23trades)

From Buster Olney's Twitter.

I would not bank on that, we will surely be blocked.

Brian26
07-31-2010, 03:18 PM
Phil Rogers completely talking out of his ass on MLB Network, saying the Sox are interested in bringing back Dotel.

Harry Potter
07-31-2010, 03:19 PM
I can't wait until 3.

Don't forget, trades can still trickle in after the 3pm deadline.

IIRC, the Peavy deal wasn't announced until an hour after last year's deadline

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 03:20 PM
Phil Rogers completely talking out of his ass on MLB Network, saying the Sox are interested in bringing back Dotel.

That was hilarious.

SoxNation05
07-31-2010, 03:22 PM
#chisox (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23chisox) envisioned manny as thome-like trade, where theyd pay a small portion of contract. dunn remains favorite for chi

From Heyman

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:27 PM
Heard this: Already, a whole lot of speculation among rival FO about whether the White Sox will place a waiver claim on Manny in Aug.#trades (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23trades)

From Buster Olney's Twitter.

I would not bank on that, we will surely be blocked.
If you block you have to be willing to take him and his contract. Who is gonna block us, seriously?

SoxNation05
07-31-2010, 03:29 PM
If you block you have to be willing to take him and his contract. Who is gonna block us, seriously?
Blocking doesn't mean he ends up on your team.

...
07-31-2010, 03:33 PM
Blocking doesn't mean he ends up on your team.

If the Dodgers give him up it certainly does.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:34 PM
Blocking doesn't mean he ends up on your team.
However you have to prepare for it. If you claim someone and the block the Sox essentially the Dodgers can say fine Detroit or Minnesota or whoever take him and you get the rest of his salary which is what like 7 million?

SoxNation05
07-31-2010, 03:37 PM
However you have to prepare for it. If you claim someone and the block the Sox essentially the Dodgers can say fine Detroit or Minnesota or whoever take him and you get the rest of his salary which is what like 7 million?
Correct. 6.5 million to be percise.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:38 PM
Correct. 6.5 million to be percise.
Thats alot of money to just possibly assume into your payroll.

SoxNation05
07-31-2010, 03:40 PM
Thats alot of money to just possibly assume into your payroll.
Yeah well supposedly Kenny put a claim in for Rios to block Detroit. 60 million > 6 million. What's your point?

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 03:44 PM
Thats alot of money to just possibly assume into your payroll.


Manny would help in getting a good portion of that back in walk up ticket sales.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:44 PM
Yeah well supposedly Kenny put a claim in for Rios to block Detroit. 60 million > 6 million. What's your point?
A pair of balls on your GM and Owner....:D:

oeo
07-31-2010, 03:45 PM
Yeah well supposedly Kenny put a claim in for Rios to block Detroit. 60 million > 6 million. What's your point?

First off, that claim was false. Why would Kenny be stupid enough to do that?

Second, that's 6.5 million for 2 months, not 60 million over 4 years. You can move pieces around to make room for Rios in following years. OTOH, if you don't have that money for Manny to spend right now, you can't do it.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:46 PM
Manny would help in getting a good portion of that back in walk up ticket sales.
I never he said would but do you see KC or Cle or Det claiming him for the chance of gaining a walk up? Then do you see him accepting a deal there?

SoxNation05
07-31-2010, 03:46 PM
A pair of balls on your GM and Owner....:D:
That makes no sense, a simple "I am wrong" would have sufficed.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 03:48 PM
First off, that claim was false. Why would Kenny be stupid enough to do that?

Second, that's 6.5 million for 2 months, not 60 million over 4 years. You can move pieces around to make room for Rios in following years. OTOH, if you don't have that money for Manny to spend right now, you can't do it.


Rios cost the Sox about $4.5 million for the two months of last season.

That's very close if you ask me.

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:49 PM
That makes no sense, a simple "I am wrong" would have sufficed.
Neither of us are wrong. Claiming 6 million over 2 months or 60 million over 4-5 years is alot of money and commitment either way. Kenny and Jerry has a set of balls to claim Rios last year after a terrible year and a half and ****load of money still guarenteed. How many GM/owner tandems own that same set? Thats what I meant.

UofCSoxFan
07-31-2010, 03:50 PM
Rios cost the Sox about $4.5 million for the two months of last season.

That's very close if you ask me.

Yes...if you magicly ignore the remaining $55 million you have to pay over the next three years.

oeo
07-31-2010, 03:50 PM
Rios cost the Sox about $4.5 million for the two months of last season.

That's very close if you ask me.

According to Cot's, he earned $5.9 million total last year.

GoGoCrede
07-31-2010, 03:50 PM
10 more minutes, can we handle it?

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:51 PM
Rios cost the Sox about $4.5 million for the two months of last season.

That's very close if you ask me.
It is close that why it was a ballsy claim by the Sox. Doing it they new the risk that if Toronto let him go, which they did, they would add a lot of money. How many teams are willing to take that chance.

UofCSoxFan
07-31-2010, 03:52 PM
Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central:
Our insiders are reporting that White Sox are still in it, Nationals claiming they will keep Dunn if they don't get what they want, and the Rays are hanging around still trying to decide what Dunn is worth to them for the next 60 games.

Saturday July 31, 2010 3:47 Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central

http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/100731/countdown-trade-deadline

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 03:54 PM
Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central:
Our insiders are reporting that White Sox are still in it, Nationals claiming they will keep Dunn if they don't get what they want, and the Rays are hanging around still trying to decide what Dunn is worth to them for the next 60 games.

Saturday July 31, 2010 3:47 Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central

http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/100731/countdown-trade-deadline
Just saw that. It seems Sox-Nats playing a game of chicken to see who blinks first....

WhiteSox5187
07-31-2010, 03:59 PM
Just saw that. It seems Sox-Nats playing a game of chicken to see who blinks first....

According to my computer clock they have about a minute to figure it out.

HomeFish
07-31-2010, 04:01 PM
Looks like nobody blinked

Rockabilly
07-31-2010, 04:02 PM
https://twitter.com/JimBowdenXMFOX

Slats
07-31-2010, 04:02 PM
Thank God. I really didn't want to be cheering for Manny.... Ever.

WhiteSox5187
07-31-2010, 04:04 PM
Rosenthal just said that Manny to the White Sox "didn't really come that close" but that something still might get done.

Danielgosox38
07-31-2010, 04:05 PM
Thank God. I really didn't want to be cheering for Manny.... Ever.

Who cares if you like the guy? Adding him or another bat could have put us as world series contenders.. Now it looks like we are stuck with the same problem we had.

thomas35forever
07-31-2010, 04:06 PM
Thank God. I really didn't want to be cheering for Manny.... Ever.

Rosenthal just said that Manny to the White Sox "didn't really come that close" but that something still might get done.
I didn't really care to have Manny here due to his past. However, if it happens in August, well, we'll see.

jej254
07-31-2010, 04:10 PM
Who cares if you like the guy? Adding him or another bat could have put us as world series contenders.. Now it looks like we are stuck with the same problem we had.



Yep, the same whiny posters.

balke
07-31-2010, 04:10 PM
Don't need Manny and don't need Dunn. Sox just need to keep doing what they've been doing and pitch with timely hitting.

LITTLE NELL
07-31-2010, 04:11 PM
Thank God. I really didn't want to be cheering for Manny.... Ever.

Amen to that.

UofCSoxFan
07-31-2010, 04:12 PM
Well let's hope Edwin Jackson is good. Sox either need to start DHing Viciedo now or pick up a bat throug waivers sometime.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 04:13 PM
Now that the madness has ended, lord please turn the light switch on Ozzie to play Viciedo at DH 98% of the rest of the way.

Please!

getonbckthr
07-31-2010, 04:13 PM
Braves got Ankiel and Farnsworth

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 04:15 PM
The Royals and Pirates need to fold.

thomas35forever
07-31-2010, 04:15 PM
Now that the madness has ended, lord please turn the light switch on Ozzie to play Viciedo at DH 98% of the rest of the way.

Please!
Agreed. If last night was any indication, we need Viciedo in there everyday and not Kotsay. I said we should get a pitcher as opposed to a bat given our situation and that's what happened. We'll see what happens from here on out.

Hitmen77
07-31-2010, 04:21 PM
Well let's hope Edwin Jackson is good. Sox either need to start DHing Viciedo now or pick up a bat throug waivers sometime.

Now that the madness has ended, lord please turn the light switch on Ozzie to play Viciedo at DH 98% of the rest of the way.

Please!

It's maddening to see this guy mash the ball and Ozzie sit him because we can't pry the DH spot away from Kotsay/Jones.

We get it, the Sox want Viciedo to play more than DH in the future. I agree. But in the here and now we need to put the best offense out there to win as many games as possible. Until he cools off (if he does), Dayan's bat is screaming to be in the lineup every day.

LoveYourSuit
07-31-2010, 04:33 PM
It's maddening to see this guy mash the ball and Ozzie sit him because we can't pry the DH spot away from Kotsay/Jones.

We get it, the Sox want Viciedo to play more than DH in the future. I agree. But in the here and now we need to put the best offense out there to win as many games as possible. Until he cools off (if he does), Dayan's bat is screaming to be in the lineup every day.


Great post.

TomParrish79
07-31-2010, 04:36 PM
Agreed. If last night was any indication, we need Viciedo in there everyday and not Kotsay. I said we should get a pitcher as opposed to a bat given our situation and that's what happened. We'll see what happens from here on out.

If they haven't stopped giving Kotsay at bats by now,then they aren't going to stop. He will get 420 at bats this season.

PeteWard
08-02-2010, 04:46 AM
I don't like Ramirez, don't want to cheer for him, and am delighted he is not on the Sox, no matter how good he is. :cool:

palehozenychicty
08-02-2010, 03:46 PM
I don't like Ramirez, don't want to cheer for him, and am delighted he is not on the Sox, no matter how good he is. :cool:

To each their own. I'll take a side of Manny in the next hour.

white sox bill
08-02-2010, 04:12 PM
To each their own. I'll take a side of Manny in the next hour.

I'm kinda with you....under conditions. If I knew Manny would be the team player, not the selfish player, I'd take him. If I knew he's clean now despite his past (which was yesterday) I'd take him. If I knew LA would pick up part of his salary, I'd take him.

When he's on he can carry a team. And the above there are a lot of IF I KNEWS.....

Wasn't he the one who didn't test positive for PED's but did for the PCT thing?

cws05champ
08-02-2010, 08:52 PM
I'm kinda with you....under conditions. If I knew Manny would be the team player, not the selfish player, I'd take him. If I knew he's clean now despite his past (which was yesterday) I'd take him. If I knew LA would pick up part of his salary, I'd take him.

When he's on he can carry a team. And the above there are a lot of IF I KNEWS.....

Wasn't he the one who didn't test positive for PED's but did for the PCT thing?
I'd still take Manny, since it is only for one season. He is having a down year and he STILL has a .925 OPS, which would be 2nd on the Sox behind only Konerko.

Viva Medias B's
08-02-2010, 09:21 PM
I do not want Manny.

Hitmen77
08-02-2010, 10:06 PM
I'd still take Manny, since it is only for one season. He is having a down year and he STILL has a .925 OPS, which would be 2nd on the Sox behind only Konerko.

I don't like Manny, but you know what? If we were able to get him and he was enough to get us a parade on LaSalle St. at the end of October, then I'd gladly take that jackass.

It sounds like the Sox offer (if the reports were true) were really far-fetched. Were they really expecting to get Manny for by only picking up $1 million of his salary AND not sending any prospects to LA?

Why would LA do that? They still believe they're in it because they were buyers at the deadline. They're not going to unload Manny for only $1 million.

I still think he has a good chance of being traded. LA is in 4th place and they'll soon decide they're out of the race. But they're still not giving him away for practically nothing.

cards press box
08-03-2010, 03:54 AM
There is another outfielder who plays in Los Angeles, who has had a somewhat down year and who makes sense for the White Sox: Bobby Abreu. As of today, the L.A. Angels are 1 game over .500 and 8 games behind the Rangers in the AL West. How long before the Angels throw in the towel and try to move some veterans, like Abreu.

As his stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/abreubo01.shtml) show, Abreu still runs fairly well (16 stolen bases so far this year) and would be an upgrade for the Sox at DH.

Sockinchisox
08-03-2010, 02:14 PM
FWIW, The Dodgers have removed the "Mannywood" sign.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/dodgers-take-down-%E2%80%9Cmannywood%E2%80%9D-sign-manny-ramirez-to-be-traded

kittle42
08-03-2010, 02:52 PM
There is another outfielder who plays in Los Angeles, who has had a somewhat down year and who makes sense for the White Sox: Bobby Abreu. As of today, the L.A. Angels are 1 game over .500 and 8 games behind the Rangers in the AL West. How long before the Angels throw in the towel and try to move some veterans, like Abreu.

As his stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/abreubo01.shtml) show, Abreu still runs fairly well (16 stolen bases so far this year) and would be an upgrade for the Sox at DH.

My guess is someone might claim him before the Sox got a chance.

Randar68
08-03-2010, 04:07 PM
My guess is someone might claim him before the Sox got a chance.

While that is possible, that's a lot of dough to take the risk on. You have to be willing to eat $7M for the rest of the year if you put a claim in on him. I think that will stop most of the teams interesting in "blocking" a team.

Randar68
08-03-2010, 04:32 PM
My guess is someone might claim him before the Sox got a chance.

Abreu is owed the rest of this year's 9M salary, next year's 9M salary, and a 9M option for 2012 when he will be 38 years old that vests based on 1100 PA's in 2010/11 and it looks like he'll have no problem making that save an injury. I had the same thought about him heading up to the trade deadline but I didn't realize the amount of money left on that deal.


I agree with others about Manny. I really dislike him but he would still be a huge upgrade for this team at DH playing in USCF instead of the NL West and he has a pretty proven playoff track record.

asindc
08-03-2010, 04:55 PM
Abreu is owed the rest of this year's 9M salary, next year's 9M salary, and a 9M option for 2012 when he will be 38 years old that vests based on 1100 PA's in 2010/11 and it looks like he'll have no problem making that save an injury. I had the same thought about him heading up to the trade deadline but I didn't realize the amount of money left on that deal.


I agree with others about Manny. I really dislike him but he would still be a huge upgrade for this team at DH playing in USCF instead of the NL West and he has a pretty proven playoff track record.

And this is a prime example of why the Sox usually don't fare well in signing big-name FAs. Uncle Jerry and KW are reluctant to pass out money like drunken sailers on shore leave.

BringHomeDaBacon
08-04-2010, 11:00 AM
And this is a prime example of why the Sox usually don't fare well in signing big-name FAs. Uncle Jerry and KW are reluctant to pass out money like drunken sailers on shore leave.

Mark Teahen's agent disagrees

asindc
08-04-2010, 11:02 AM
Mark Teahen's agent disagrees

That was a trade and extension signing, but I understand your point. I didn't like the extension, either. I will say that as bad as Teahen's extension is, we will get more value from it for the duration than LAAAAAA will get for Abreu's contract, IF Teahen plays to his potential, as modest as that might be.

Rockabilly
08-04-2010, 11:21 AM
Manny has suffer a setback and will be gone a lot longer, than the Dodgers thought he would.

Tragg
08-04-2010, 11:26 AM
Isn't Manny on the DL? That should fit in well with the recent trades Williams has made.

Williams has a big budget. Hr should field a good tram every year. Still he can't afford a DH but can squeeze in a dubious pitcher for 12 mill from friendly Arizona

ndgt10
08-04-2010, 11:33 AM
Isn't Manny on the DL? That should fit in well with the recent trades Williams has made.

Williams has a big budget. Hr should field a good tram every year. Still he can't afford a DH but can squeeze in a dubious pitcher for 12 mill from friendly Arizona

Excellent post. It's beyond ridiculous on William's part.

kittle42
08-04-2010, 11:43 AM
Excellent post. It's beyond ridiculous on William's part.

William who?

I honestly am not convinced budget was ever the issue with the DH slot - I think it was more Ozzie's position on what he wanted his DH spot to be used for (i.e. apparently getting a guy into the lineup every day who can't hit).

Hitmen77
08-04-2010, 11:51 AM
Manny has suffer a setback and will be gone a lot longer, than the Dodgers thought he would.

According to this article, players can't be placed on waivers while they are on the DL. So, if it's going to be at least another week before he begins his rehab and then will need about 10 days for a rehab assignment, that already brings you to the end of August.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=5435465

Amazing that the Dodgers still owe him over $6 million for only the remaining portion of the season.

spawn
08-04-2010, 12:19 PM
William who?

I honestly am not convinced budget was ever the issue with the DH slot - I think it was more Ozzie's position on what he wanted his DH spot to be used for (i.e. apparently getting a guy into the lineup every day who can't hit).

Yep. And it has worked brilliantly. The inability of the DH in this lineup to provide consistency offensively has surpassed my expectations.

cws05champ
08-04-2010, 02:25 PM
According to this article, players can't be placed on waivers while they are on the DL. So, if it's going to be at least another week before he begins his rehab and then will need about 10 days for a rehab assignment, that already brings you to the end of August.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=5435465

Amazing that the Dodgers still owe him over $6 million for only the remaining portion of the season.
I noticed on Cot's that the deferred payments are rough:

> If Ramirez does not opt out (of 2010 contract), he receives $5M in 2010 and $15M in 3 installments of $3,333,333 each on June 30, 2011 and 2012, and $8,333,333 on June 30, 2013

I wonder if the claiming team would have to pick up all the deferred payments or just 1/4 to 1/5 of the payments in the future? If that's the case if the Sox were to claim him later in the month they may only owe him around $1.2M for this year. Then ~$800K in 2011, 2012 and ~$2.1M in 2013.

guillensdisciple
08-07-2010, 03:30 PM
Listening to the radio today on the way to a meeting at the job and heard the guys on 670 talking about their inside guys in the MLB. Dodgers basically have told Manny that they don't want him anymore and need to move him, Manny said that the only place he will play is Chicago (with us, of course). Trade would cost the Sox some money, but no big players in return.

Granted, there was no definitive source besides the radio guys inside guy, but take if for what you want.

I would take him if he is not a lazy bastard.

Rdy2PlayBall
08-07-2010, 04:02 PM
Listening to the radio today on the way to a meeting at the job and heard the guys on 670 talking about their inside guys in the MLB. Dodgers basically have told Manny that they don't want him anymore and need to move him, Manny said that the only place he will play is Chicago (with us, of course). Trade would cost the Sox some money, but no big players in return.
You sure it's not the Cubs? It'd be a perfect place to get a nice extension, then settle down for the rest of his career and hit .200. :tongue:

Foulke You
08-15-2010, 01:29 AM
Interesting tidbit about the White Sox and Manny. Rosenthal says the Dodgers want to put him on waivers when we are behind Boston in the standings to make a trade more likely since they don't believe Boston will want to deal for him. This whole waiver trade stuff is tricky business:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/08/rosenthal-on-manny-cardinals-braves-inge.html

Nellie_Fox
08-15-2010, 01:35 AM
Interesting tidbit about the White Sox and Manny. Rosenthal says the Dodgers want to put him on waivers when we are behind Boston in the standings to make a trade more likely since they don't believe Boston will want to deal for him. This whole waiver trade stuff is tricky business:Do you think Boston would put in a waiver claim on Manny? I think they've had quite enough of his act.

RadioheadRocks
08-15-2010, 01:37 AM
Do you think Boston would put in a waiver claim on Manny? I think they've had quite enough of his act.


As have I. Let's stop beating this dead horse already.

A. Cavatica
08-15-2010, 09:39 AM
The Sox are now behind Boston in the standings.

socko82
08-15-2010, 10:50 AM
Do you think Boston would put in a waiver claim on Manny? I think they've had quite enough of his act.

I've read that Tampa Bay would consider puting in a claim if he made it all the way to them. Boston doesn't care if he ends up with us but they don't want him in Tampa so they would be faced with putting in a claim to block the Rays and getting stuck with him.

Foulke You
08-15-2010, 12:31 PM
The Sox are now behind Boston in the standings.
This is true, but I believe Manny is still on the DL and they can't put him on waivers until he comes off that list. I would have to imagine Manny is coming off the DL very soon since I think he was put back on it around the non waiver trade deadline of July 31st.

Foulke You
08-15-2010, 12:33 PM
As have I. Let's stop beating this dead horse already.
Perhaps you shouldn't click on the thread regarding Manny Ramirez? This way, those of us that wish to discuss the topic can do so without disturbing you.

oeo
08-15-2010, 01:03 PM
As have I. Let's stop beating this dead horse already.

I haven't. I think Manny is hilarious. Maybe he can bring a calming influence to this team, especially now when it's sorely needed.

You know his bat is going to be there, and in the clutch. If he can help us get to the postseason and beyond, why would anyone be against that?

BringHomeDaBacon
08-15-2010, 01:25 PM
I haven't. I think Manny is hilarious. Maybe he can bring a calming influence to this team, especially now when it's sorely needed.

You know his bat is going to be there, and in the clutch. If he can help us get to the postseason and beyond, why would anyone be against that?

Hell yes. I would love for this team to stroll into Yankee stadium this post-season with Manny in tow.

A. Cavatica
08-15-2010, 08:15 PM
This is true, but I believe Manny is still on the DL and they can't put him on waivers until he comes off that list. I would have to imagine Manny is coming off the DL very soon since I think he was put back on it around the non waiver trade deadline of July 31st.

Don't worry, we won't catch anyone above us before he comes off.

chisox616
08-15-2010, 09:54 PM
Don't worry, we won't catch anyone above us before he comes off.

I guess that's something worth taking out of these miserable losses.

Foulke You
08-16-2010, 01:45 AM
Don't worry, we won't catch anyone above us before he comes off.
Yeah, I don't think we have to worry about the Twins blocking us. :(:

Foulke You
08-16-2010, 12:13 PM
Manny begins rehab assignment in the minor leagues this week and the Dodgers are supposed to put him on waivers immediately following his activation to the MLB roster.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38723808/ns/sports-player_news/