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Foulke You
07-29-2010, 02:33 AM
Another top starting pitcher appears to be off the market as long as Roy says "yes" :

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/mlb/100728-astros-await-oswalt%27s-ok-on-trade-to-phillies

Rockabilly
07-29-2010, 02:37 AM
Halladay, Hamels and Oswalt. I would hate to face the Phillies in the playoffs.

Twins_Morneau
07-29-2010, 02:38 AM
Thank God we're in the AL.

SephClone89
07-29-2010, 02:44 AM
Thank God we're in the AL.

I'd be more frightened by some AL rotations than Oswalt, Halladay, Hamels.

Boondock Saint
07-29-2010, 02:48 AM
Thank God we're in the AL.

We've had experience with Oswalt in the playoffs. It's called a World Series ass kicking to the tune of five earned in six innings.

doublem23
07-29-2010, 07:14 AM
Halladay, Hamels and Oswalt. I would hate to face the Phillies in the playoffs.

That is assuming they make the playoffs.

Zakath
07-29-2010, 07:18 AM
Better there than Minnesota.

russ99
07-29-2010, 08:13 AM
Better there than Minnesota.

Or St. Louis, from an Astros fan perspective. Nothing would be worse than trading the face of the franchise to their biggest rival.

I hope the Astros got a good return, and not another case of Ed Wade helping out his old team.

VMSNS
07-29-2010, 08:17 AM
I read on MLB.com just a few days ago that Oswalt does not want to go to the Phillies. Something must have changed.

harwar
07-29-2010, 08:34 AM
he wanted to stay in TX i think .. from what i heard there was never any chance that he would go to an AL team .. the phillies are a nice fit for him .. that team will be tough ..

palehozenychicty
07-29-2010, 09:19 AM
If it goes through, then Ruben Amaro may have amended his mistake of giving Cliff Lee walk away. May.

soxfanatlanta
07-29-2010, 09:35 AM
I'd be more frightened by some AL rotations than Oswalt, Halladay, Hamels.

For example?

This puts some serious pressure on the Bravos.

Iwritecode
07-29-2010, 10:12 AM
Halladay, Hamels and Oswalt. I would hate to face the Phillies in the playoffs.

What about Clemens, Pettite and Oswalt? :cool:

Jimmy Piersall
07-29-2010, 10:14 AM
I read on MLB.com just a few days ago that Oswalt does not want to go to the Phillies. Something must have changed.

He stopped being a whiny little baby.

Tragg
07-29-2010, 10:15 AM
And the deal is for ONE of the Phillies top 10 prospects, with Houston paying his salary.
Contrast that with Peavy where we paid a major league pitcher, 2 top 10 prospects and we paid ALL salary.

In major deals, we pay top dollar.

asindc
07-29-2010, 10:25 AM
And the deal is for ONE of the Phillies top 10 prospects, with Houston paying his salary.
Contrast that with Peavy where we paid a major league pitcher, 2 top 10 prospects and we paid ALL salary.

In major deals, we pay top dollar.

Until I see confirmation from a news source that Houston will pay Oswalt's salary, I won't believe it. His salary is the reason why they want to trade him in the first place.

doublem23
07-29-2010, 10:26 AM
And the deal is for ONE of the Phillies top 10 prospects, with Houston paying his salary.
Contrast that with Peavy where we paid a major league pitcher, 2 top 10 prospects and we paid ALL salary.

In major deals, we pay top dollar.

Phillies farm system > Our farm system

I can't believe people are actually fretting over the guys we traded to San Diego. They're all basically organizational filler garbage with limited futures in the Majors. Richard has been a nice little surprise for the Padres this season, but who honestly would have taken him over Jake Peavy? Answer: Lunatics.

Dexter Carter may have cracked a few Top 10 lists prior to the 2009 season, but only as a result of how thin our system is, not of his own accomplishments or promise. He's nosedived back to earth since joining the Padres' organization, so who gives a **** about him? Aaron Poreda was a top prospect of ours, but he was far from a cherished commodity around the league and, this should clue you into how much they think of him, they've already turned him into a reliever, acknowledging what most people thought, Poreda will never be a starter in the Majors. Adam Russell... I don't even need to say it.

Also, I would argue strongly that Peavy > Oswalt.

If you're going to cry like a baby, at least do it over something worthwhile. :rolleyes:

rdivaldi
07-29-2010, 10:39 AM
And the deal is for ONE of the Phillies top 10 prospects, with Houston paying his salary.
Contrast that with Peavy where we paid a major league pitcher, 2 top 10 prospects and we paid ALL salary.

In major deals, we pay top dollar.

Contrast that with Peavy where we paid an end of the rotation major league pitcher, 3 failing minor leaguers and we paid ALL salary.

Fixed it for you.

Hitmen77
07-29-2010, 10:41 AM
Phillies farm system > Our farm system

I can't believe people are actually fretting over the guys we traded to San Diego. They're all basically organizational filler garbage with limited futures in the Majors. Richard has been a nice little surprise for the Padres this season, but who honestly would have taken him over Jake Peavy? Answer: Lunatics.

Dexter Carter may have cracked a few Top 10 lists prior to the 2009 season, but only as a result of how thin our system is, not of his own accomplishments or promise. He's nosedived back to earth since joining the Padres' organization, so who gives a **** about him? Aaron Poreda was a top prospect of ours, but he was far from a cherished commodity around the league and, this should clue you into how much they think of him, they've already turned him into a reliever, acknowledging what most people thought, Poreda will never be a starter in the Majors. Adam Russell... I don't even need to say it.

Also, I would argue strongly that Peavy > Oswalt.

If you're going to cry like a baby, at least do it over something worthwhile. :rolleyes:

Richard is benefiting from playing in the NL and pitching at Petco Park....though he's not exactly terrible on the road. If he were still here, I would expect we'd still see rough starts vs. tough AL lineups and in our unforgiving ballpark.

Yeah, I'd like to have him as our 5th starter now, but only because Peavy is out for the year.

The idea that we gave up too much talent for Peavy is silly. The key to the deal was the Sox taking on his salary. Yeah, in hindsight if we had a crystal ball and knew Peavy would go down with a season-ending injury, then I'd rather the Sox had the extra $15 million in salary to spend on other players. But I'm not going to blame KW for not predicting that Peavy was going to have a major injury this year.

russ99
07-29-2010, 10:50 AM
Until I see confirmation from a news source that Houston will pay Oswalt's salary, I won't believe it. His salary is the reason why they want to trade him in the first place.

I'd think the Astros would throw in something towards this year, and maybe next year to get better prospects. But for Roy to waive the NTC, the Phils would have to cover his option.

We'll have to see what the deal is when it's complete.

chisox616
07-29-2010, 11:48 AM
It's a shame the Cardinals couldn't snatch him. As I understand it Shelby Miller would have been a hometown hero for the Astros, and a centerpiece in any Oswalt to STL deal. Oswalt for what, a year and a half for 5+ years of Shelby Miller, a Houston resident?

It's not like the Stros would be competing anytime soon so why not take that deal? Who cares if Oswalt makes a few starts against his old club, they're not going anywhere. A lot of reports said Oswalt was very desperate to leave Houston for STL.

russ99
07-29-2010, 12:08 PM
It's a shame the Cardinals couldn't snatch him. As I understand it Shelby Miller would have been a hometown hero for the Astros, and a centerpiece in any Oswalt to STL deal. Oswalt for what, a year and a half for 5+ years of Shelby Miller, a Houston resident?

It's not like the Stros would be competing anytime soon so why not take that deal? Who cares if Oswalt makes a few starts against his old club, they're not going anywhere. A lot of reports said Oswalt was very desperate to leave Houston for STL.

So what. McLane still has to sell tickets and the fanbase would have a hard time stomaching their hero pitching for the Cardinals. Would you be happy if Buehrle was traded to the Twins and run out and get tickets because a decent prospect was coming back in the deal?

Looks like a pretty fair deal, if it goes through.

Supposedly the deal is Oswalt and $12M (half of his remaining salary) for Ps J.A. Happ, Vance Worley and 1B Jonathan Singleton. No word on if Roy is demanding the option to be picked up for 2012 to waive his NTC.

sox1970
07-29-2010, 01:05 PM
http://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/19840600813

DirtySox
07-29-2010, 02:43 PM
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If it's Happ, Gose & Worley for Oswalt, that's a No. 4, a raw tools guy and a middle reliever. Color me unimpressed.

DirtySox
07-29-2010, 04:43 PM
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Er ok.

soltrain21
07-29-2010, 04:49 PM
Brett Wallace is all over the place.

SI1020
07-29-2010, 04:52 PM
We've had experience with Oswalt in the playoffs. It's called a World Series ass kicking to the tune of five earned in six innings. He had a little temper tantrum too, didn't he?

russ99
07-29-2010, 04:56 PM
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#Astros (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Astros) sending Gose to #BlueJays (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23BlueJays) for IF Brett Wallace. #MLB (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MLB) 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/19853461575) via web



Er ok.

They don't need a guy like Gose with Michael Bourn under team control for 3+ more years. Brett Wallace is a guy who can take over 1B right away, or once they move Berkman.

soltrain21
07-29-2010, 05:00 PM
They don't need a guy like Gose with Michael Bourn under team control for 3+ more years. Brett Wallace is a guy who can take over 1B right away, or once they move Berkman.

Michael Bourn is good?

Craig Grebeck
07-29-2010, 05:00 PM
Bourn sucks and Gose is probably three years away anyhow. But, carry on.

DirtySox
07-29-2010, 05:01 PM
They don't need a guy like Gose with Michael Bourn under team control for 3+ more years. Brett Wallace is a guy who can take over 1B right away, or once they move Berkman.

Brett's stock has fallen, but he is still a steal for Gose imo. I don't understand the trade from Toronto's point of view.

theamb
07-29-2010, 05:01 PM
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#Astros (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Astros) sending Gose to #BlueJays (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23BlueJays) for IF Brett Wallace. #MLB (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MLB) 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/19853461575) via web



Er ok.

Well, that makes the deal for Houston a lot better.

TheOldRoman
07-29-2010, 05:01 PM
He had a little temper tantrum too, didn't he?Yep. Crede homered off him and was drilled in his next AB. Good times.

russ99
07-29-2010, 05:07 PM
Michael Bourn is good?

Bourn had a heck of a year last season.

Don't know why he's fallen off this year, but he still a potential league leader in SB, and is still signed cheap for a few more years.

Not a bad player to have leading off for a rebuilding team.

Tragg
07-29-2010, 06:26 PM
Bourn had a heck of a year last season.

Don't know why he's fallen off this year, but he still a potential league leader in SB, and is still signed cheap for a few more years.

Not a bad player to have leading off for a rebuilding team.
Bourn's a Pods/Pierre ballplayer, except he can cover CF and they can't. Some people/game-watchers/teams like that sort of player; others don't.

I hope it works out well for the Astros. I know they needed to trade Oswalt - pretty much the only player they have who will bring anything of value (unless they trade Pence). Didnt do too bad in this economy.