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wilburaga
07-28-2010, 01:09 PM
I see that BA has started three games for the Royals' Rookie League team.

His line:

4 Innings pitched, 2 hits, no runs, no walks, 5 strikeouts.

Obviously the Royals are bringing him along slowly, and granted that this is a small sample size in a beginner league, but, nonetheless, this is a pretty good start.

It's Dankerific
07-28-2010, 01:14 PM
Yep. I'm sure they'd be moving him quicker through the system if they were in a position to contend this year.

TomBradley72
07-28-2010, 01:21 PM
Yep. I'm sure they'd be moving him quicker through the system if they were in a position to contend this year.

Teal?

It's Dankerific
07-28-2010, 01:22 PM
Teal?

No way.

His new nickname is Strasburg 2.0

DrCrawdad
07-29-2010, 12:52 AM
I don't begrudge Brian Anderson one single bit. The Sox felt like they had to choose between Sweeney and Anderson. The Sox bet the wrong horse.

Good for Brian Anderson. So long as he's not pitching against the Sox, I wish him well.

Sam Spade
07-29-2010, 01:22 AM
I don't begrudge Brian Anderson one single bit. The Sox felt like they had to choose between Sweeney and Anderson. The Sox bet the wrong horse.

Good for Brian Anderson. So long as he's not pitching against the Sox, I wish him well.
Young and anderson, too.

I wonder if the sox would have stuck with young as he has performed. I would bet on not.

HomeFish
07-29-2010, 01:25 AM
I look forward to a Sox player going deep on Anderson one day in the majors.

EnglishChiSox
07-29-2010, 07:06 AM
Josh Fields tweeted

Brian Anderson touched 95 in his pitching debut lastnight. He threw the ball really well, but not as good as his blonde mullet looked!

I can't see him getting to the big leagues as a pitcher but i wish him well, he didn't do anything wrong with the Sox, he just wasn't good enough compared to the faith put in him by the management

Tragg
07-29-2010, 09:21 AM
I don't begrudge Brian Anderson one single bit. The Sox felt like they had to choose between Sweeney and Anderson. The Sox bet the wrong horse.


They picked Anderson over Chris Young.
Guillen had pretty much had it with Anderson by the time Ryan Sweeney came along. He then picked Jerry Owens over Ryan Sweeney.

Talent evaluation.

rdivaldi
07-29-2010, 09:33 AM
I wonder if the sox would have stuck with young as he has performed. I would bet on not.

I wonder how many Sox fans would have stuck with Young after his performances in 2007, 2008 and 2009? My guess is close to none.

rdivaldi
07-29-2010, 09:36 AM
They picked Anderson over Chris Young.
Guillen had pretty much had it with Anderson by the time Ryan Sweeney came along. He then picked Jerry Owens over Ryan Sweeney.

Talent evaluation.

If Ryan Sweeney was on the Sox he would be crucified on WSI for his lack of power and bottom of the league OPS. Rios is vastly superior to all of the players on this thread, so it's irrelevant anyway.

Tragg
07-29-2010, 09:51 AM
If Ryan Sweeney was on the Sox he would be crucified on WSI for his lack of power and bottom of the league OPS. Rios is vastly superior to all of the players on this thread, so it's irrelevant anyway.
I dont know - in the world of Erstad, Wise and Anderson, he might have looked okay.
Rios is the man. I''d like to see KW pull another one of those at waiver time.

russ99
07-29-2010, 10:38 AM
They picked Anderson over Chris Young.
Guillen had pretty much had it with Anderson by the time Ryan Sweeney came along. He then picked Jerry Owens over Ryan Sweeney.

Talent evaluation.

So tired of this excuse. Sox had subpar options (including Sweeney at the time) because they were betting Anderson would develop into an everyday hitter.

You can't blame talent evaluation when all the available options stink.

Chris Young didn't play a day in the big leagues with the Sox, so that's Kenny's mis-evaluation, not Ozzie's.

It's Dankerific
07-29-2010, 12:21 PM
95 in his first outing, before getting into throwing strength? thats awesome.

This is going to be a great story to watch.

rdivaldi
07-29-2010, 01:41 PM
They picked Anderson over Chris Young.

Chris Young didn't play a day in the big leagues with the Sox, so that's Kenny's mis-evaluation, not Ozzie's.

I don't believe it was a mis-evaluation on anyone's part. Young was traded because the D'Backs wanted him and not Anderson nor Sweeney when we got Vazquez.

Boondock Saint
07-29-2010, 04:22 PM
95 in his first outing, before getting into throwing strength? thats awesome.

This is going to be a great story to watch.

You know who else could throw 95mph? Mike MacDougal.

Irishsox1
07-29-2010, 04:53 PM
The problem with Anderson was always his attitude, work ethic and lack of intelligence. They can make him a pitcher but he'll still be Brian Anderson.

Tragg
07-29-2010, 05:11 PM
I don't believe it was a mis-evaluation on anyone's part. Young was traded because the D'Backs wanted him and not Anderson nor Sweeney when we got Vazquez.
And then we traded Vazquez for Flowers.
And we lost 3 middle relief pitchers (El D, Viz, and Logan) and gained a non-prospect in the mix.

So who's better, Flowers plus 2 years of Javy and Anderson/Erstad/Owens or Young.

rdivaldi
07-29-2010, 08:40 PM
And then we traded Vazquez for Flowers.
And we lost 3 middle relief pitchers (El D, Viz, and Logan) and gained a non-prospect in the mix.

So who's better, Flowers plus 2 years of Javy and Anderson/Erstad/Owens or Young.

To date I'd say Young, although his career numbers aren't all that remarkable. Stupid Javy, I was really excited for him to pitch for us when the trade happened. :angry:

Jeff B
07-29-2010, 10:16 PM
You know who else could throw 95mph? Mike MacDougal.
Mike MacDougal has pitched 314.2 MLB innings with a career 4.04 FIP. I'm not following your logic.

Boondock Saint
07-29-2010, 10:17 PM
Mike MacDougal has pitched 314.2 MLB innings with a career 4.04 FIP. I'm not following your logic.

Throwing hard =/= success.

UofCSoxFan
07-29-2010, 11:40 PM
Jeesh Chris Young has one above average season on a bad team 5 years after we trade him and that makes it a bad trade? Makes sense.


We also get Quinten becasue Young is on the Diamondbacks...that alone makes the Chris Young trade ok.

canOcorn
07-29-2010, 11:45 PM
I wonder how many Sox fans would have stuck with Young after his performances in 2007, 2008 and 2009? My guess is close to none.

Compared to the output of Erstad, Terrero, Owens and Wise? I'd say the rope would have been long, very, very long.

Dibbs
07-30-2010, 12:04 AM
I would really like to see a video of him pitching. I just can't picture it.

eriqjaffe
07-30-2010, 09:19 AM
Throwing hard =/= success.Maybe invoking the name "Andy Sisco" would have been a better example.

russ99
07-30-2010, 09:20 AM
The problem with Anderson was always his attitude, work ethic and lack of intelligence. They can make him a pitcher but he'll still be Brian Anderson.

Well, I disliked the guy as CF with the Sox, but I wouldn't go that far.

I hope he does well, gets his head on straight and has a decent career, except for vs. the Sox.

rdivaldi
07-30-2010, 11:22 AM
Compared to the output of Erstad, Terrero, Owens and Wise? I'd say the rope would have been long, very, very long.

But we wouldn't have been watching those guys, we would have been watching Young strike out 150 times and bat less than .250 for the season. I think after 2 years of that the patience would have run out.

soltrain21
08-03-2010, 08:31 AM
My friend does play by play for the Burlington Bees (A for Kansas City Royals). He texted me last night to tell me Brian Anderson has been put on the Bees.

Huisj
08-03-2010, 09:04 AM
My friend does play by play for the Burlington Bees (A for Kansas City Royals). He texted me last night to tell me Brian Anderson has been put on the Bees.

Too bad for me that the Bees are done traveling to Michigan for the year; they don't have any games left against the Lugnuts, Loons, or Whitecaps. If they did, I'd definitely try to get to some to see him pitch.

It's Dankerific
08-04-2010, 02:43 AM
my friend does play by play for the burlington bees (a for kansas city royals). He texted me last night to tell me brian anderson has been put on the bees.

moving on up!!!!

Standing Ovation
08-04-2010, 07:10 AM
Damn, the Bees were just here last weekend to play Kane County.

Stoky44
08-04-2010, 07:37 AM
Damn, the Bees were just here last weekend to play Kane County.

At first I was trying to figure out the punch line here with all the Bees talk. I was thinking of this at first...
http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Imported/Movies/7/39915a.jpg http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/DCform2/After%20the%20Power%202/Major%20League%203/majorleague3-difilippos6.jpg

Then I realized that was seriously the name of the team. God I love minor league team names.

I wish Brian the best.

Stoky44
08-04-2010, 07:41 AM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t420&t=p_pbp&pid=435042

Stoky44
08-04-2010, 07:44 AM
Here is a bit of history, Mark Buehrle was a Bee. Apparently, in 1999 he was one of the cornerstones of that year's Midwest League Championship team.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/clubs/t420/images/content/markbuehrle.jpg

Also of note Terry Bevington managed the Bees in the 1980's.

Huisj
08-04-2010, 09:30 AM
You know who else could throw 95mph? Mike MacDougal.

This just gave me a flashback to classic lines from the dad in Freaks and Geeks.

boiker
08-04-2010, 01:39 PM
Surprise is in my backyard. I could go to one of those games... Maybe take some cell phone video?

TParkin550
08-12-2010, 01:33 PM
Saw Brain pitch last night in Clinton, IA. He looked good and topped out at 93. 2 IP 0H 0BB 3K

Anderson, Br (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t500&t=p_pbp&pid=435042)2.00000305.40

Good luck to him riding the bus again.

Tom

It's Dankerific
08-13-2010, 02:09 AM
Saw Brain pitch last night in Clinton, IA. He looked good and topped out at 93. 2 IP 0H 0BB 3K

Anderson, Br (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t500&t=p_pbp&pid=435042)2.00000305.40

Good luck to him riding the bus again.

Tom

Thanks for the update. We'll all be happy to see him dominate MLB lineups soon.

Hitmen77
08-13-2010, 08:36 AM
Here is a bit of history, Mark Buehrle was a Bee. Apparently, in 1999 he was one of the cornerstones of that year's Midwest League Championship team.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/clubs/t420/images/content/markbuehrle.jpg



I wish the White Sox would get a minor league affiliate in the Midwest League again. I wouldn't mind going to Kane County to see the Cougars play that team and see some possible future White Sox players.

EMachine10
08-17-2010, 04:43 PM
Anderson has been promoted to the Omaha Royals (AAA).

It's Dankerific
08-17-2010, 06:34 PM
Anderson has been promoted to the Omaha Royals (AAA).

Can't keep a phenom down.

Can you say, September call up??!?!!

october23sp
08-17-2010, 06:54 PM
Can't keep a phenom down.

Can you say, September call up??!?!!

God I hope so, just so he get's shelled.

It's Dankerific
08-17-2010, 06:58 PM
God I hope so, just so he get's shelled.

Not in this lifetime.

soltrain21
08-18-2010, 06:25 PM
They are gonna call him up according to my friend (Bees' announcer).

It's Dankerific
08-18-2010, 08:34 PM
They are gonna call him up according to my friend (Bees' announcer).

I figure he'll be up in September. They have 750k invested in him this year. They have to see how he dominates MLB hitters to see if they bring him back and for how much.

sox1970
08-21-2010, 10:39 AM
Anderson pitched 2 perfect innings for AAA Omaha on Thursday. 3 ground outs, 3 fly outs.

102605
08-21-2010, 10:51 AM
Future closer. Does he have anything good that is offspeed or a curve?

It's Dankerific
08-21-2010, 01:56 PM
Future closer. Does he have anything good that is offspeed or a curve?

Im not sure. But he's only had one inning in which he was scored upon in his professional career.

Its going to be amazing to see him in the MLB

CLR01
08-21-2010, 06:15 PM
Way to **** that one up, Ozzie. :rolleyes:

It's Dankerific
08-21-2010, 06:18 PM
Way to **** that one up, Ozzie. :rolleyes:

I am a bit curious as Scotty Pods said that BA had wanted to switch for a few seasons if he wasn't going to get a chance at CF. It sounds kinda crazy that the Sox wouldn't have given him a look.

CLR01
08-21-2010, 06:19 PM
Ozzie wouldn't know talent if it sat of his face and farted.

It's Dankerific
08-21-2010, 06:37 PM
Ozzie wouldn't know talent if it sat of his face and farted.

Perhaps thats what you HAVE to do.

PS: Looking forward to when this will be in the Talking Baseball forum!!!

:bandance:

GoGoCrede
08-22-2010, 12:29 AM
I am a bit curious as Scotty Pods said that BA had wanted to switch for a few seasons if he wasn't going to get a chance at CF. It sounds kinda crazy that the Sox wouldn't have given him a look.

That's interesting, actually. I wonder why this wasn't done sooner, if he brought it up to management.

Nellie_Fox
08-22-2010, 02:03 AM
Way to **** that one up, Ozzie. :rolleyes:

I am a bit curious as Scotty Pods said that BA had wanted to switch for a few seasons if he wasn't going to get a chance at CF. It sounds kinda crazy that the Sox wouldn't have given him a look.

Ozzie wouldn't know talent if it sat of his face and farted.Let me get this straight. If your reserve outfielder thinks he wants to convert to being a pitcher, it's the responsibility of the major league manager to recognize that it's the right move, and take care of it? How much deeper can your insane Ozzie hatred go?

WhiteSox5187
08-22-2010, 02:08 PM
That's interesting, actually. I wonder why this wasn't done sooner, if he brought it up to management.

I suspect because he was a first round pick who Kenny had a lot invested in by trading a popular center fielder from a world series winning team to clear room for him and also as late as 2008 Kenny was saying Anderson would hit .275 with 25 HRs. The Sox had a lot invested him as an everyday player and to try and turn him into a pitcher would be seen as a big failure on the part of the Sox and I suspect that Kenny and management didn't want to do that.

Let me get this straight. If your reserve outfielder thinks he wants to convert to being a pitcher, it's the responsibility of the major league manager to recognize that it's the right move, and take care of it? How much deeper can your insane Ozzie hatred go?

I think, I hope, that teal was heavily implied in that post.

ghostface36
08-23-2010, 10:55 AM
gonna be surreal if we get to see BA pitch
i wouldn't be shocked if he actually had some good stuff

Thome_Fan
08-23-2010, 11:26 AM
Ozzie wouldn't know talent if it sat of his face and farted.

:rolling:

canOcorn
08-23-2010, 11:55 AM
Im not sure. But he's only had one inning in which he was scored upon in his professional career.

Its going to be amazing to see him in the MLB

I saw this in the paper when I was down there this past weekend.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/20/2163958/white-sox-royals-game-postponed.html

seventyseven
08-23-2010, 12:06 PM
Ozzie wouldn't know talent if it sat of his face and farted.

In fairness, is it easy to discern what is actually sitting on your face, especially under the distraction of a fart?

It's Dankerific
08-23-2010, 01:52 PM
I saw this in the paper when I was down there this past weekend.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/20/2163958/white-sox-royals-game-postponed.html

Thanks for that link. Very interesting. I knew he was throwing a big league fastball, but a big league slider, too?

GONNA BE HUGE!!!

DumpJerry
08-23-2010, 02:07 PM
The Royals come to Chicago for three games in September.


Hopefully BA will get some Mound Time so Juan Pierre can surpass his career high single season home run mark of three (2004).

It's Dankerific
08-23-2010, 02:13 PM
The Royals come to Chicago for three games in September.


Hopefully BA will get some Mound Time so Juan Pierre can surpass his career high single season home run mark of three (2004).

As long as the Sox win, It'll be great seeing Ozzie eat some crow as BA dominates in his inning(s).

DumpJerry
08-23-2010, 02:26 PM
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that BA pitches like he hits? Fantastic AAAA hitter, could not hit a lick in MLB.

It's Dankerific
08-23-2010, 02:31 PM
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that BA pitches like he hits? Fantastic AAAA hitter, could not hit a lick in MLB.

Easy to say when you ignore his stats when he was away from Ozzie.

DumpJerry
08-23-2010, 02:37 PM
Easy to say when you ignore his stats when he was away from Ozzie.
You're talking about all of 21 games (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/anderbr03.shtml) (with 21 Plate Appearances) with the Red Sox? If he was so hot, why did the Bosox let him get away?

I call strawman.

Coops4Aces
08-23-2010, 02:39 PM
OPS of 1.028 in the MLB under managers not named Ozzie Guillen :redneck

DumpJerry
08-23-2010, 02:42 PM
Hey ID, Brian's Baseball-Reference page does not have a sponsor.........(yet):wink:

All it takes is $20 to link your name with his for one year!

WizardsofOzzie
08-23-2010, 04:18 PM
Hey ID, Brian's Baseball-Reference page does not have a sponsor.........(yet):wink:

All it takes is $20 to link your name with his for one year!

Some of those are great.

David Ortiz's sponsor message: "David Ortiz is a large man. He's like the size of my head. By the way, I'm a giant. I'm talking Paul Bunyan or Godzilla huge. Think about it. I know I will."

It's Dankerific
08-23-2010, 04:36 PM
Hey ID, Brian's Baseball-Reference page does not have a sponsor.........(yet):wink:

All it takes is $20 to link your name with his for one year!

Ill take a look to see if its tax deductible.

twinsuck
08-23-2010, 09:53 PM
Ill take a look to see if its tax deductible.
Hey I'll pay for half of it. haha

sox1970
08-23-2010, 09:58 PM
He had another 1-2-3 inning. All K's

Memphis Top 9th


Pitcher Change: Brian Anderson replaces Luis Mendoza.
Amaury Cazana strikes out swinging.
Joe Mather strikes out swinging.
Mark Hamilton called out on strikes.

Coops4Aces
08-23-2010, 10:04 PM
He had another 1-2-3 inning. All K's

Memphis Top 9th


Pitcher Change: Brian Anderson replaces Luis Mendoza.
Amaury Cazana strikes out swinging.
Joe Mather strikes out swinging.
Mark Hamilton called out on strikes.



Beast

It's Dankerific
08-23-2010, 10:11 PM
BA in the 8th, Soria in the 9th is going to be tough if KC can get its act together.

soxinem1
08-24-2010, 09:55 AM
BA in the 8th, Soria in the 9th is going to be tough if KC can get its act together.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Coops4Aces
08-24-2010, 10:35 AM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Dynamite drop-in Monty. Ned Yost says that he maxes out at 97 and has an MLB slider. So that comment about him and Soria could very well be legit.

chisox12
08-25-2010, 07:36 PM
Good for BA...hopefully it all works out for him.

DumpJerry
09-02-2010, 02:12 PM
Well, it is clear the Royals do not know who they have in their presence. Anderson was not part of the September call-ups (http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=kc).

spawn
09-02-2010, 04:19 PM
Well, it is clear the Royals do not know who they have in their presence. Anderson was not part of the September call-ups (http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=kc).

It's Ozzie's fault. His influence is far reaching!

Daver
09-02-2010, 04:55 PM
Well, it is clear the Royals do not know who they have in their presence. Anderson was not part of the September call-ups (http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=kc).

The Royals are not known for rushing players to the MLB level like the White Sox are.

mzh
09-02-2010, 05:00 PM
The Royals are not known for rushing players to the MLB level like the White Sox are.
Give me 10 legit prospects who were "ruined" because they were "rushed" to the big league level.

Daver
09-02-2010, 05:42 PM
Give me 10 legit prospects who were "ruined" because they were "rushed" to the big league level.

Kip Wells
Jon Rauch
Mike Caruso
Joe Borchard
Brian Anderson
Josh Fields
Rod Bolton
Mark Johnson
Scott Ruffcorn
Dan Wright

mzh
09-02-2010, 05:56 PM
Kip Wells
Jon Rauch
Mike Caruso
Joe Borchard
Brian Anderson
Josh Fields
Rod Bolton
Mark Johnson
Scott Ruffcorn
Dan Wright
Joe Borchard couldn't hit a major league curveball. Most of those guys are just bad at baseball, and there's no evidence that leaving them in the minors would have helped them at all. I'll give you Rauch. We gave up on him too early.

Daver
09-02-2010, 06:01 PM
Joe Borchard couldn't hit a major league curveball. Most of those guys are just bad at baseball, and there's no evidence that leaving them in the minors would have helped them at all. I'll give you Rauch. We gave up on him too early.

All of them were drafted in the first, second, or third round, they were not bad at baseball, they were not developed to the pro game, there is no evidence that the White Sox didn't completely botch developing them as players.

But I'm quite sure you know much more about developing young players than I do.

mzh
09-02-2010, 06:28 PM
All of them were drafted in the first, second, or third round, they were not bad at baseball, they were not developed to the pro game, there is no evidence that the White Sox didn't completely botch developing them as players.

But I'm quite sure you know much more about developing young players than I do.
Let's take all of those players, and replace them with players drafted in the same round and year as the New York Yankees:

Jeff Motuzas
Alex Graman
Andy Brown
David Parrish
Andrew Brackman
Eric Duncan
Brien Taylor
Gary Winrow

Nothing special. All of these guys drafted in the first 3 rounds, yet none of them are very good at baseball. I still have yet to see any evidence than any of the players you named were unsuccessful because they got to the majors leagues.

And yes, I'm sure your a major league scout yourself. You ought to be first in line to replace ozzie with your treasure trove of baseball intellect.

Stoky44
09-02-2010, 06:33 PM
:popcorn:

DumpJerry
09-02-2010, 06:48 PM
Let's take all of those players, and replace them with players drafted in the same round and year as the New York Yankees:

Jeff Motuzas
Alex Graman
Andy Brown
David Parrish
Andrew Brackman
Eric Duncan
Brien Taylor
Gary Winrow

Nothing special. All of these guys drafted in the first 3 rounds, yet none of them are very good at baseball. I still have yet to see any evidence than any of the players you named were unsuccessful because they got to the majors leagues.

And yes, I'm sure your a major league scout yourself. You ought to be first in line to replace ozzie with your treasure trove of baseball intellect.
The Yankees are not big on development. They just use their money to treat the other MLB teams are their farm teams. This is why pitching is usually their weakness---teams are loath to part with good pitchers.

For good development oriented teams, look at Tampa and the Twins.

Daver
09-02-2010, 07:51 PM
Let's take all of those players, and replace them with players drafted in the same round and year as the New York Yankees:


I don't follow the Yankees, and I don't give a rat's ass what they do with their draft picks or how they develop them.

Joe Borchard had a ton of talent, and astounding power from both sides of plate, and the White Sox failed miserably in developing that five million dollar investment, believe it or not players can be taught to recognize and hit breaking balls if you are willing to spend on both the time and the instructors to do that.

It's easy to point out system successes, and write off the failures as they were bad at baseball, but the reality is far from that.

kittle42
09-02-2010, 08:03 PM
I don't follow the Yankees, and I don't give a rat's ass what they do with their draft picks or how they develop them.

But that's completely not addressing the other poster's point.

WhiteSox5187
09-02-2010, 09:36 PM
Kip Wells
Jon Rauch
Mike Caruso
Joe Borchard
Brian Anderson
Josh Fields
Rod Bolton
Mark Johnson
Scott Ruffcorn
Dan Wright

I remember a scout once saying you could give Caruso a hundred years in the minors and he would never turn into a major league shortstop. I don't know about the others though. Fields could have been a nice power hitter, but I don't think anyone was going to teach him how to field.

DumpJerry
09-02-2010, 11:14 PM
But that's completely not addressing the other poster's point.
The other poster was using the Yankees in an apples and oranges comparison. The Yankees don't have to develop players because they rely on their financial firepower to stock up their 25 man roster. If I was a young player and got drafted by the Yanks, I would assume it would be more likely I would be wearing someone else's uniform if I made it to the Show.

The White Sox don't have the ability to open up the checkbook to fill whatever holes they develop. This is why player development is critical for the White Sox. The Rays and Twins, in my opinion, are two teams that do it better than most.

Rdy2PlayBall
09-03-2010, 07:07 AM
The White Sox don't have the ability to open up the checkbook to fill whatever holes they develop. This is why player development is critical for the White Sox. The Rays and Twins, in my opinion, are two teams that do it better than most.You don't think the Rays have had a benefit from having MUCH higher draft picks than the Sox, ever since the Rays have existed?

Craig Grebeck
09-03-2010, 07:38 AM
You don't think the Rays have had a benefit from having MUCH higher draft picks than the Sox, ever since the Rays have existed?
The Rays' stars aren't all top five picks.

DumpJerry
09-03-2010, 07:41 AM
You don't think the Rays have had a benefit from having MUCH higher draft picks than the Sox, ever since the Rays have existed?
Look, the Rays still had to develop the players they drafted. Just picking someone in the top five does not automatically make him a superstar. There is still a need to scout and develop. When you're a team like how the Rays were, you need to make sure you can take full advantage of the opportunity handed to you with high picks by picking the right players.

Look at Washington for contrast. They have been a drafting disaster with the top picks. One top pick refused to sign, the next one is undergoing Tommy John today after being rushed to The Show to sell more tickets........

Craig Grebeck
09-03-2010, 08:25 AM
Look at Washington for contrast. They have been a drafting disaster with the top picks. One top pick refused to sign, the next one is undergoing Tommy John today after being rushed to The Show to sell more tickets........
1. Crow not signing was a blessing. (Edit: is anyone in Washington lamenting the fact they've got Drew Storen instead of Aaron Crow? God, I hope not.)
2. Strasburg was not rushed. What did he need to learn in the minors? They treated him very, very delicately, and he broke down. He'll probably come back and be a very good pitcher. Did they botch the pick? Uh, no. It's Strasburg. There is literally no one else in that class a reasonable ballclub would have considered with the number one pick.

canOcorn
09-03-2010, 10:25 AM
1. Crow not signing was a blessing. (Edit: is anyone in Washington lamenting the fact they've got Drew Storen instead of Aaron Crow? God, I hope not.)


It's my understanding Crow wouldn't sign the consent form or Washington would've drafted him again instead of Storen.

Craig Grebeck
09-03-2010, 11:02 AM
It's my understanding Crow wouldn't sign the consent form or Washington would've drafted him again instead of Storen.
In that case, they lucked out.

BadBobbyJenks
09-03-2010, 03:28 PM
Look at Washington for contrast. They have been a drafting disaster with the top picks. One top pick refused to sign, the next one is undergoing Tommy John today after being rushed to The Show to sell more tickets........

How was Strasburg rushed and how could the Nats have treated him any more delicately?

DumpJerry
09-03-2010, 03:42 PM
How was Strasburg rushed and how could the Nats have treated him any more delicately?
They brought him up to sell tickets. While he showed the world he was probably MLB ready (after getting scouted, teams started reducing his effectiveness), he was pushed despite the warnings about his delivery raising the possibility of injury. If he was was kept at AAA this season working on changing his delivery to be less stressful on his shoulder/arm, he probably would have lasted an entire season next year.

rdivaldi
09-03-2010, 11:27 PM
Jon Rauch
Joe Borchard
Brian Anderson
Josh Fields
Rod Bolton
Mark Johnson
Scott Ruffcorn
Dan Wright

I don't understand how any of these players were "rushed", all were given a minimum of 2 full years in the minors and were all drafted out of college.

This "rush" vs. "not rushed" argument is by far the most stale on this board. It's pretty much impossible to prove either side of the argument, because there are too many cases in which players succeeded or did not succeed after long or short stints in the minors.

Craig Grebeck
09-04-2010, 11:32 AM
I don't understand how any of these players were "rushed", all were given a minimum of 2 full years in the minors and were all drafted out of college.

This "rush" vs. "not rushed" argument is by far the most stale on this board. It's pretty much impossible to prove either side of the argument, because there are too many cases in which players succeeded or did not succeed after long or short stints in the minors.
+1.

It's a convenient excuse. Josh Fields did not fail at the minor league level because he was rushed. He failed at the minor league level because he wasn't very good, and didn't have the skillset to play in the majors.