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Sockinchisox
07-19-2010, 11:56 PM
Hudson!
Rios!
Andruw!
Beckham!
Missile!
Churros!

PeteWard
07-19-2010, 11:56 PM
Because of Hudson's performance, today's win could be as big as yesterday's loss. Maybe much more so - long term - if he keeps it up.

Plus we got Sunday's games back on Detroit and Minn, who only seem to have 4 decent starters between them :bandance:

On a sour note...what's up with Quentin? :(:

WhiteSox5187
07-19-2010, 11:57 PM
That was quick. Nice showing by Hudson. Let's not stop now!

WhiteSox1989
07-19-2010, 11:58 PM
Didn't watch this one, but sounds like Hudson pitched pretty well.

More, please.

KnightSox
07-19-2010, 11:58 PM
Great way to start this West Coast swing, nice start by Hudson too.

delben91
07-19-2010, 11:58 PM
Who are the "White Sox" ?

I heard of them once, but they were destroyed, so I figured they no longer existed.

Huh, a website dedicated to them? How cool and nostalgic!

kevingrt
07-19-2010, 11:58 PM
Nifty performance from Hudson and the bullpen. Nice job all around with some timely hitting supplied in especially by Alex Rivers. And another great hitting game by Beckham. Man is the kid finally seeing the ball really well now.

But lets get this West Coast train moving and put together a nice streak of wins.

And once again big props to Hudson for hopefully his first of several quality outings in this 2010 season.

GoGoCrede
07-19-2010, 11:58 PM
Right back on track. Looks like yesterday's loss wasn't so bad after all. I'm happy to see that our boys just shook it off.

I still love Ichiro, I just hope he does well against every team except us.

OmahaSoxFan
07-19-2010, 11:58 PM
Great game tonight, especially considering what the Toons and Twinks failed to do tonight. A 2.5 game lead over both those teams on 7/19, I'll take it!

Also a productive start from Dan Hudson, had us all a little nervous a couple times during the game but thanks to some stellar defense, he had a nice little game for his first W of the season tonight! Good night all, it's late!

Rdy2PlayBall
07-19-2010, 11:59 PM
Bacon is still goin strong!
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5967/bacon.gif

hi im skot
07-19-2010, 11:59 PM
That's how you respond to a tough loss.

Missed most of the game, but it sounds like Hudson was solid.

soxnut1018
07-19-2010, 11:59 PM
Who needs momentum? :bandance::bandance::bandance::bliss::bliss: :bliss:
kM7C_yNlCLU

twinsuck
07-20-2010, 12:00 AM
I say this makes up for Sunday! Sox win, Tiggers lose, Twinkies lose, and for an added bonus, Cubs lose! :D::D:

tony1972
07-20-2010, 12:00 AM
and a 1-2-3 inning in the 9th! by SCOTT LINEBRINK!! (Linebrink - if you are reading this..I take back 1.5% of all the bad things I've said about you!)....

DonnieDarko
07-20-2010, 12:00 AM
Bacon is still goin strong!
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5967/bacon.gif

...since when has there been a Bacon smiley? I'm SO using that now!

Sam Spade
07-20-2010, 12:01 AM
Jones has looked serviceable or better lately. So has linebrink. Would be nice to see Scott return to his past performance level, but its good that we don't need him to.

PhillipsBubba
07-20-2010, 12:01 AM
Nice win!

Question...does Thornton have a breaking ball??? Something off-speed to make the opposition uncomfortable???

sox1970
07-20-2010, 12:01 AM
Sox are 2-0 when Hudson starts. 13 left.

Don't trade him. Don't get a veteran. He'll be fine.

hi im skot
07-20-2010, 12:01 AM
Love to see the alternate greys.

arKnaD7
07-20-2010, 12:01 AM
Hudson made Ichiro look bad 3 times, not easy to do

delben91
07-20-2010, 12:02 AM
Nice win!

Question...does Thornton have a breaking ball??? Something off-speed to make the opposition uncomfortable???

I'm in favor of releasing Thornton outright.

Sockinchisox
07-20-2010, 12:02 AM
Nice win!

Question...does Thornton have a breaking ball??? Something off-speed to make the opposition uncomfortable???

He has a slider.

Rdy2PlayBall
07-20-2010, 12:02 AM
Nice win!

Question...does Thornton have a breaking ball??? Something off-speed to make the opposition uncomfortable???According to MLB the Show and 2k10, he has a slider. Also, it's marked as his "best pitch".

twinsuck
07-20-2010, 12:03 AM
I'm in favor of releasing Thornton outright.
wowowowow what?

Sam Spade
07-20-2010, 12:03 AM
Nice win!

Question...does Thornton have a breaking ball??? Something off-speed to make the opposition uncomfortable???

You think the opposition is comfortable against thorton?

DonnieDarko
07-20-2010, 12:03 AM
According to MLB the Show and 2k10, he has a slider. Also, it's marked as his "best pitch".

Best pitch?

ROFL.

hi im skot
07-20-2010, 12:04 AM
wowowowow what?

DIDN'T YOU SEE HIM IN THE ALL-STAR GAME?!?

Sometimes teal isn't necessary.

GoGoCrede
07-20-2010, 12:04 AM
wowowowow what?

Implied teal (at least, I hope. Hard to tell these days!).

Sam Spade
07-20-2010, 12:04 AM
Sox are 2-0 when Hudson starts. 13 left.

Don't trade him. Don't get a veteran. He'll be fine.

I agree. Hudson is going to be a good one.

sox1970
07-20-2010, 12:04 AM
Love to see the alternate greys.

God damn right.

Domeshot17
07-20-2010, 12:05 AM
Greg Walker said right before the break that the last week in warm ups, he saw last years Gordon Beckham, not this years. He saw a guy who knew what he wanted to do with the bat and was confident in his swing. Looks like Walker was right.

Great win. Really need a LH DH upgrade, but a big win with help.

delben91
07-20-2010, 12:06 AM
wowowowow what?

He gave up a walk and a hit tonight. Terrible. We can't afford to keep pitchers that allow baserunners. If we're releasing Jenks (and I have it on good WSI authority we should), then Thornton needs to be gone too.

twinsuck
07-20-2010, 12:06 AM
Implied teal (at least, I hope. Hard to tell these days!).
man, I thought he was serious. Honestly, sometimes I'm not comfortable with putting Matt out there, he can be shaky. He could have been serious.

Sam Spade
07-20-2010, 12:07 AM
man, I thought he was serious. Honestly, sometimes I'm not comfortable with putting Matt out there, he can be shaky. He could have been serious.
No. Just no.

GoGoCrede
07-20-2010, 12:07 AM
He gave up a walk and a hit tonight. Terrible. We can't afford to keep pitchers that allow baserunners. If we're releasing Jenks (and I have it on good WSI authority we should), then Thornton needs to be gone too.

If I didn't know you were joking, I would completely believe you were serious with this post. :smile: (if that makes sense)

delben91
07-20-2010, 12:08 AM
If I didn't know you were joking, I would completely believe you were serious with this post. :smile: (if that makes sense)

I have found that no matter how blatantly sarcastic a post, there will always be those 1) wondering if it's sarcastic or not, 2) those that assume it isn't and also AGREE with it.

DumpJerry
07-20-2010, 12:09 AM
Where is the young man who wrote off our season after Sunday's loss? Oh I guess he did not watch the game since our season is over. Or maybe he is busy texting all his Twin fan friends thereby ensuring he will get **** thrown back him next time the Sox lose to the Twins.

SephClone89
07-20-2010, 12:10 AM
Where is the young man who wrote off our season after Sunday's loss? Oh I guess he did not watch the game since our season is over. Or maybe he is busy texting all his Twin fan friends thereby ensuring he will get **** thrown back him next time the Sox lose to the Twins.

:redneck

BlackandWhiteSox
07-20-2010, 12:10 AM
Good. We needed to make a strong statement after the series lost to the Twins, because taking the division lead after being 9 1/2 games out a few weeks ago wasn't good enough.

Nice outing by Hudson, Mr. Consistent(Rios) was...well consistent, Beckham continues his hitting streak and I'm confident he's finally turning his season around, Alexei flashing the leather and the strong arm(save the error), nice job by the pen, and a great Sox win.

:)

voodoochile
07-20-2010, 12:10 AM
That's how you respond to a tough loss.

Missed most of the game, but it sounds like Hudson was solid.

You know, I didn't read yesterday's post game thread. I knew what was coming. I knew that there would be lots of people who knew that the Sox had just handed major momentum to the Twinkies and crushed their own confidence in the process. With Hudson pitching tonight and the Twinkies getting the lowly Toons at home the Sox days in first were numbered or so I'm sure those people who knew were saying...

As usual, a funny thing happened to the people who knew so well what was coming, what it all meant and how surely the Sox season was to be dashed on the rocks... They looked silly...

Gotta give OG credit here. The team could have indeed had problems and that's where those know-it-alls went wrong. They all are sure they know that Ozzie is a clown, a buffoon, not fit to be the manager and in no way ready to deal with the sure fallout from the heart stabbing, gut wrenching, back breaking effects of that sure to be the death of us all loss yesterday.

Then the Sox shrugged, got down to business and put a very workmanlike win on the boys in Seattle, taking an early lead on Alex Rios' home run and then grinding out some insurance aided by the other major problem on the team, not named Kotsay, Mr. Jones and his 401st.

And what of the suddenly rejuvenated Twinkies and their sky high euphoria, emotionally uplifting win over the first place Sox? They ran into the rejuvenated but still lowly Toons who promptly beat the cream filling out of the piranha wannabes.

Great game by Hudson. Great game by Rios. Great game defensively by TCM. And thank you too, Mr. Jones. Glad to see you still got a thing going on...

:soxwin:

:)

:supernana: :supernana: :bandance:

GoGoCrede
07-20-2010, 12:11 AM
I have found that no matter how blatantly sarcastic a post, there will always be those 1) wondering if it's sarcastic or not, 2) those that assume it isn't and also AGREE with it.

Indeed, which is why I'm an avid supporter of teal, even though the confusion can be really amusing.

Zakath
07-20-2010, 12:11 AM
Greg Walker said right before the break that the last week in warm ups, he saw last years Gordon Beckham, not this years. He saw a guy who knew what he wanted to do with the bat and was confident in his swing. Looks like Walker was right.

Great win. Really need a LH DH upgrade, but a big win with help.

This isn't even last year's Beckham over the past couple of weeks. He's 14/22 in the last six games.

It'll be interesting to see, if this keeps up, if he comes out of the 9 spot.

GoGoCrede
07-20-2010, 12:11 AM
Where is the young man who wrote off our season after Sunday's loss? Oh I guess he did not watch the game since our season is over. Or maybe he is busy texting all his Twin fan friends thereby ensuring he will get **** thrown back him next time the Sox lose to the Twins.

I chuckled.

Frankfan4life
07-20-2010, 12:12 AM
I can now crawl out of my hole. Life is good, once again. :D:

Sam Spade
07-20-2010, 12:12 AM
I was looking forward to seeing Jenks bounce back in the 9th after a putz 8th, but I guess I'll have to wait a day or two.

DirtySox
07-20-2010, 12:13 AM
Where is the young man who wrote off our season after Sunday's loss? Oh I guess he did not watch the game since our season is over. Or maybe he is busy texting all his Twin fan friends thereby ensuring he will get **** thrown back him next time the Sox lose to the Twins.

lulz

GoGoCrede
07-20-2010, 12:13 AM
I was looking forward to seeing Jenks bounce back in the 9th after a putz 8th, but I guess I'll have to wait a day or two.

Yes, I think Bobby needs a good outing to get his confidence back.

Are you a fan of the Maltese Falcon, perchance?

hi im skot
07-20-2010, 12:14 AM
I chuckled.

http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/thomesox.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4762) WordUpThome: CHORTLE
/chortles

TDog
07-20-2010, 12:14 AM
In any event, reports of the death of the 2010 White Sox were exaggerated. The Sox put the loss behind them. The Twins may have been feeling something of a letdown after the White Sox series and lost to the Indians. As it is, the White Sox have their biggest first-place lead of the season and are back to 10 games above .500.

This was the second game started by Peavy's replacement, and the White Sox have won both games. This time, Hudson should be commended for a strong effort.

And once again, the White Sox beat a pitcher they had never faced before. They have been doing a lot of that this season.

I liked Guillen's pitcher management tonight. He left in Hudson to go through the order three times. Unfortunately, Thornton made things interesting in a fractional inning, but he was the only one of the A relievers who had to come in tonight. Pena made things interesting but pitched a scoreless eighth and Linebrink set down Mariners 1-2-3 in the ninth.

A strong win. A win that didn't put a lot of stress on the team and the fans who stayed up late, although people underwent some irrational stress when Linebrink came in to preserve a five-run lead.

BleacherBandit
07-20-2010, 12:15 AM
Sounds like it was a great win! I think the Sox have demonstrated what has made them great the last month or so in this game.

1. Good starting pitching
2. Hitting in crucial situations
3. The ability to score RBI via the Home Run, but not necessarily that way only
4. Dynamite 7th,8th and 9th inning pitching

None of that ability was lost as a consequence of Sunday's loss.

Zakath
07-20-2010, 12:16 AM
I was looking forward to seeing Jenks bounce back in the 9th after a putz 8th, but I guess I'll have to wait a day or two.

I could stand to wait a while, actually. These are the teams we need to go out there and pound (12 more vs. Seattle and Oakland before the trip to Detroit).

GoGoCrede
07-20-2010, 12:19 AM
http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/thomesox.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4762) WordUpThome: CHORTLE
/chortles

Never gets old. Unlike Thome.

Zakath
07-20-2010, 12:21 AM
Sounds like it was a great win! I think the Sox have demonstrated what has made them great the last month or so in this game.

1. Good starting pitching
2. Hitting in crucial situations
3. The ability to score RBI via the Home Run, but not necessarily that way only
4. Dynamite 7th,8th and 9th inning pitching

None of that ability was lost as a consequence of Sunday's loss.

Well, we had 3 of the 4 tonight. Hudson gave us the good start, we had some crucial hitting (only 2/9 with RISP) and only 3 of the 6 runs came off the homer. The 7th and 8th left something to be desired (seems like our pen is awesome but when one of them gets sick, they all come down with it at once until it works its way through [Putz may be the exception to that rule]).

HomeFish
07-20-2010, 12:27 AM
Thank God for Cleveland. Hope that Carlos is OK

Rdy2PlayBall
07-20-2010, 12:29 AM
Thank God for Cleveland. Hope that Carlos is OKTheir taking the whole LeBron James thing out on the rest of the U.S. through their other teams now. Good thing we're pretty much wrapped up playing against them.

SoxFan1979
07-20-2010, 12:35 AM
Way to rebound Sox. lets go ahead and kill the west div like we did before the AS break.

SoxandtheCityTee
07-20-2010, 12:45 AM
I think those tough losses like yesterday's are more gut-wrenching to us fans than they are to the players. Which is how it should be -- short memories and all that. Great game, hopefully this road trip is shaping up.

SoxSpeed22
07-20-2010, 12:50 AM
Whoops, forgot we were even playing today. Good bounce-back game.

guillensdisciple
07-20-2010, 01:04 AM
Holy ****, 2.5 games up. That's insane, even with our little 3 game "collapse". I am happy I have momentary lapses of anger that are easily replaced by hope, because this year has been rewarded very well.

Hudson is going to be a good pitcher for us for many a years, and the White Sox need to hold on to him. Our hitting has been great for a while now, and Beckham is picking it up. We're really dangerous as a whole. If we win tomorrow, look for another winning streak to pop up. The White Sox get on a roll collectively with this pitching thing because each pitcher wants to best the other. If Danks pitches well tomorrow, then we might be looking at another 8 or 9 er coming up.

Sweep the series and we might have 3.5 game lead in the division, which would be absolutely insane.

EDIT:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/?tcid=nav_mlb_standings

Magic number: 69

Yep.

october23sp
07-20-2010, 02:02 AM
Of course I couldn't watch the game where they wear my favorite uniforms and get a nice win.

Today was big after yesterdays heartbreaker. I was so glad we didn't get a day off.

october23sp
07-20-2010, 02:03 AM
Magic Number: 69

:b&b

october23sp
07-20-2010, 02:03 AM
Bacon is still goin strong!
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5967/bacon.gif

I want to see more of that.

Porcho
07-20-2010, 02:51 AM
Didn't watch this one, but sounds like Hudson pitched pretty well.

More, please.

Hudson did really well. Great confidence booster for him! I think Ichiro was 0-3 against him (correct me if I'm wrong, somebody). :smile:

soxlady8
07-20-2010, 02:59 AM
I caught the bottom of the ninth at the Monte Carlo Sportsbook in Vegas. I assumed that Huddy had a good start and both the offense and defense were good. I was also thrilled to hear the Tigers and Twinkies lost today too. It has been over a week that the Sox have been in first and it has been a fabulous feeling.

hawkjt
07-20-2010, 03:55 AM
After missing the last three games(first of the season) I was glad to be back watching the same Sox team I have become accustomed to seeing...playing the same winning baseball.

Hudson got a couple of breaks, which is very helpful for a young guy trying to win a big game..the bases-loaded tipped ball turned 3rd out was caused by Hudson tho, and the base running error by figgins(so glad we did not pay him 36 million),helped.

Hudson drew a great opponent and ballpark for his second start,and now he goes to Oakland, another big park. If he could win vs the A's this weekend, he might be off and running for a repeat vs A's again next week.

Alex is still Mr. Steady, and is so consistent he is almost taken for granted...he is going to get to 100 rbis I believe. Really hit the ball on the nose tonite again...most places he has 2 homers.

We need to get another one tonite,then hope for some luck vs King Felix on Wed. He is gettable,but gotta have a great outing by Gavin. Tonite...Johnny Danks time...go get'em bulldog!

Free MLB Package is cool on a nite like tonite. Flipping between Twins,Tigers and Sox as the rivals are dropping games and Sox winning is always cool. Tigers lose Inge for 6 weeks(broken hand) and deplete a tired bullpen going to the 14th...gonna be a long series vs the Rangers...and Twins cannot pitch to the Tribe(like the Sox?)..and look like crap at home tonite. Honestly happy to not be playing the Indians anytime soon ...they have not lost since the break and are hitting the crap outta the ball.
Nah, for once, I think the West Coast will be good for this team...cooler, big parks,so-so teams...while the Twins and Tigers steam in the midwest vs hot hitting teams...cool. Dont stop now boys!

LITTLE NELL
07-20-2010, 05:18 AM
I for one stated on Sunday that with all the histrionics going on that this team would bounce back and not let Sundays game bother them.
I based it on the fact that they came from 9 games under .500 to 1st place in a little over a month.

Zakath
07-20-2010, 05:45 AM
Hudson did really well. Great confidence booster for him! I think Ichiro was 0-3 against him (correct me if I'm wrong, somebody). :smile:

Yes, 0-3 but reached on Alexei's error in the 3rd.

He got his only hit of the night off of Thornton in the 7th.

doublem23
07-20-2010, 06:10 AM
Beckham has raised his average 36 points in 11 days.

Jollyroger2
07-20-2010, 06:36 AM
The Sox won? Detroit and Minnesota lost? What happened? I thought people on here Sunday were saying the Sox would be destroyed by the loss?

I guess the team decided to play out the remainder of the season anyway, good for them!

russ99
07-20-2010, 06:51 AM
Good deal, Sox win again! :bandance::bandance:

We have a first place team with the best record over the past month that is playing well, getting good pitching and getting contributions from different guys in the lineup every night.

But if people would rather dwell on how this or that player sucks, whining every day about who should be in the lineup hitting wherever, who's suddenly awful because of one bad game, who should be immediately DFA'd, which player we have to trade for to have any chance, or that Ozzie/Kenny is an idiot and you're so much smarter than them - then have fun in your negative dark cloud world.

I'd rather have fun watching a successful baseball team, which we haven't had the opportunity to do very much the 30+ years I've been a fan.

palehozenychicty
07-20-2010, 07:10 AM
Good deal, Sox win again! :bandance::bandance:

We have a first place team with the best record over the past month that is playing well, getting good pitching and getting contributions from different guys in the lineup every night.

But if people would rather dwell on how this or that player sucks, whining every day about who should be in the lineup hitting wherever, who's suddenly awful because of one bad game, who should be immediately DFA'd, which player we have to trade for to have any chance, or that Ozzie/Kenny is an idiot and you're so much smarter than them - then have fun in your negative dark cloud world.

I'd rather have fun watching a successful baseball team, which we haven't had the opportunity to do very much the 30+ years I've been a fan.

What he said. This was a good win. :bandance:

soltrain21
07-20-2010, 07:34 AM
Good deal, Sox win again! :bandance::bandance:

We have a first place team with the best record over the past month that is playing well, getting good pitching and getting contributions from different guys in the lineup every night.

But if people would rather dwell on how this or that player sucks, whining every day about who should be in the lineup hitting wherever, who's suddenly awful because of one bad game, who should be immediately DFA'd, which player we have to trade for to have any chance, or that Ozzie/Kenny is an idiot and you're so much smarter than them - then have fun in your negative dark cloud world.

I'd rather have fun watching a successful baseball team, which we haven't had the opportunity to do very much the 30+ years I've been a fan.

My brain is completely capable of thinking we have a good team but need a DH better than Kotsay.

doublem23
07-20-2010, 07:42 AM
My brain is completely capable of thinking we have a good team but need a DH better than Kotsay.

Whoa man, we don't want to say things we can't take back.

slavko
07-20-2010, 08:05 AM
and a 1-2-3 inning in the 9th! by SCOTT LINEBRINK!! (Linebrink - if you are reading this..I take back 1.5% of all the bad things I've said about you!)....

Good location, fastball mid-90's, splitter devastating. He may be of some use.

johnnyg83
07-20-2010, 08:06 AM
Beckham hittting .666 over the last 6 games. 14/21 7 rbis 1 hr 2ks

He's Hades hot.

doublem23
07-20-2010, 08:10 AM
Good location, fastball mid-90's, splitter devastating. He may be of some use.

Even if he can just mop up innings in garbage time, THAT'S useful. As long as he's leaving the game with the same score he entered, it's a successful trip to the mound.

Chez
07-20-2010, 08:10 AM
I was out of town last neek and didn't see Hudson's start on Sunday against KC. He looked really good last night. Keeps the ball down and throws harder than I had remembered. Very encouraging. Let's win tonight and take our chances with King Felix on Wednesday.

harwar
07-20-2010, 08:12 AM
It's great to see Beckham hitting again .. it's great to see Hudson pitch well .. we're going to need them both to win this thing .. i read where the guys feel that they want to get this done, sink or swim, with what we have .. they were over-run and almost lost, but they fought their way out, and that's when they came together as a team .. i think that they must feel like they can fight their way through anything right now and i can't see these guys ever giving up this year .. i no longer expect any help from a big trade .. we'll just have to get the job done with these guys .. we definitely need a healthy Quentin and a productive Teahen though, along with everyone else .. can we win with this team? .. i for one, think they can do it ..

cws05champ
07-20-2010, 08:30 AM
I was out of town last neek and didn't see Hudson's start on Sunday against KC. He looked really good last night. Keeps the ball down and throws harder than I had remembered. Very encouraging. Let's win tonight and take our chances with King Felix on Wednesday.

Hudson looked more confident last night than against KC. And yes it was against one of the worst hitting teams in the league so lets not get too excited. But his fastball had more life and arm side run and his change was better this week. I still worry about his location, because even though he struck out some batters they were on balls right down the middle. He needs to spot the fastball better and locate the change as well as show the slider a little more often to keep them off the fastball.

Great win overall...hopefully they keep this up throughout the road trip.

TomBradley72
07-20-2010, 08:39 AM
This team is proving that OG/KW really know what they're doing...the Rios pick up off waivers, signing and sticking with Ramirez at SS (if he sustains this level of performance, he may be the White Sox best starting SS since I became a fan in 1971), moving Beckham to 2nd and sticking with him, the Vizquel signing, etc.

OG's one "achilles heel" is his Kotsay love (coming off his Machowiak in CF love, Erstad love, etc.). I'd like to see him mix Lillibridge/Viciedo in at DH vs. RH's, and Lillibridge (w/Viciedo at 3rd) vs. LH's. They should both be given the chance to play themselves OUT of the line up based on how they've hit since being called up.

Chez
07-20-2010, 08:57 AM
This team is proving that OG/KW really know what they're doing...the Rios pick up off waivers, signing and sticking with Ramirez at SS (if he sustains this level of performance, he may be the White Sox best starting SS since I became a fan in 1971), moving Beckham to 2nd and sticking with him, the Vizquel signing, etc.



Eddie Leon? Rich Morales? Luis Alvarado? Alan Bannister? Todd Cruz? C'mon; we have a rich tradition of stud shortstops since the early 70's! (apologies to Ozzie -- who clearly doesn't belong in that group.)

FielderJones
07-20-2010, 09:10 AM
Eddie Leon? Rich Morales? Luis Alvarado? Alan Bannister? Todd Cruz? C'mon; we have a rich tradition of stud shortstops since the early 70's! (apologies to Ozzie -- who clearly doesn't belong in that group.)

You forgot the 1971 shortstop -- Bee Bee Richard. :redneck What a gem he was.

soltrain21
07-20-2010, 09:11 AM
I liked the emotion Ramirez showed last night when he made that play. His complete lackadaisical attitude seems to be disappearing.

Chez
07-20-2010, 09:13 AM
You forgot the 1971 shortstop -- BB Richard. :redneck What a gem he was.

Yep. Him too! With the exception of Bucky Dent, our shortstops between Aparicio and Guillen were pretty brutal.

FielderJones
07-20-2010, 09:15 AM
Magic number: 69 Yep.

Actually the RIOT number (http://riot.ieor.berkeley.edu/%7Ebaseball/american_league.html) is 66 (takes into account the fact that the Twins and Tigers have games to play against each other and one of them has to lose).

More detail (http://riot.ieor.berkeley.edu/%7Ebaseball/detail_numbers.html)

Tragg
07-20-2010, 09:21 AM
Hudson seems to have good stuff; he strikes out a lot of batters....walks too many. But he looks good for having 2 starts. People have thi standard for young pitchers if they don't pitch like MB, they should be vanquished. Just as soon load the team up with mediocre veterans and go 78-84 every year. It's silly. He struck out a lot of batters in his first start too...that says good potential. Williams did a good job withholding Hudson from the Peavy trade.

This is where Guillen excels as manager...not letting one debacle turn into a slump. I remember when Lamont managed this team...a loss like Sunday would throw the team into a 6 game and 8/10 losing streak.

BadBobbyJenks
07-20-2010, 09:35 AM
Always good to see a team bounce back from a terrible loss.

Danny looked outstanding last night working the fast ball inside and out. He was still getting it up there at 94 in the 7th inning. I am a believer in this kid. We don't need an arm, we need a bat.

Beckham is a stud, that is all.

hi im skot
07-20-2010, 09:56 AM
My brain is completely capable of thinking we have a good team but need a DH better than Kotsay.

Whoa man, we don't want to say things we can't take back.

:rolling:

hi im skot
07-20-2010, 09:57 AM
I caught the bottom of the ninth at the Monte Carlo Sportsbook in Vegas. I assumed that Huddy had a good start and both the offense and defense were good. I was also thrilled to hear the Tigers and Twinkies lost today too. It has been over a week that the Sox have been in first and it has been a fabulous feeling.

I sincerely hope this nickname doesn't take off.

hawkjt
07-20-2010, 10:02 AM
I hope Kenny keeps his powder dry until right before the deadline to see if the price drops at the last minute on a lefty bat like Berkman or Dunn. Stick with our pitching(unless he can get a lefty reliever cheap),and scroounge for a lefty bat....but then who leaves? Kotsay? Nah. Viciedo or Lilly? I guess. Or do you count on Teahen,and a traded for lefty bat and send down Viciedo and cut Kotsay? Should be an interesting 11 days.

dwitt76
07-20-2010, 10:14 AM
i sincerely hope this nickname doesn't take off.

+1

Zisk77
07-20-2010, 10:15 AM
If it were up to me I'd still try to make a trade, but Hudson, Beckham, and Viciedo would not be part of it. So, your not going to see a Haren, Dunn, or Fileder, but you might see a Berkman, Downs, Cantu, etc.

BadBobbyJenks
07-20-2010, 10:22 AM
If it were up to me I'd still try to make a trade, but Hudson, Beckham, and Viciedo would not be part of it. So, your not going to see a Haren, Dunn, or Fileder, but you might see a Berkman, Downs, Cantu, etc.

I would say Beckham and Hudson are the only guys off limits.

Baron
07-20-2010, 10:27 AM
Good win

things I liked

Andruw cranking out another homer
Rios is playing amazingly
Linebrink didnt blow the lead.He has been ok this season.
Thornton making the Mariners look silly

Bad

Daniel Hudson was not good in this outing.Now I know everyone is getting hyped up on this kid now.But his control was downright horrible yesterday.Were just lucky we played the Mariners and not another team that can actually hit.

soxinem1
07-20-2010, 10:55 AM
Hudson made Ichiro look bad 3 times, not easy to do

Maybe Buehrle can learn something from the kid!!!

Good win

things I liked

Andruw cranking out another homer
Rios is playing amazingly
Linebrink didnt blow the lead.He has been ok this season.
Thornton making the Mariners look silly

Bad

Daniel Hudson was not good in this outing.Now I know everyone is getting hyped up on this kid now.But his control was downright horrible yesterday.Were just lucky we played the Mariners and not another team that can actually hit.

Considering he had a tea cup strike zone to throw to, I thought he did fine. The DP's were kind of lucky, but it is sure better than the blown DP's of April and May.

soxinem1
07-20-2010, 11:03 AM
I sincerely hope this nickname doesn't take off.

Huddy is ^%$#%^&*(

If he HAD to have a name I'd rather have Dan-O than that.

hawkjt
07-20-2010, 11:29 AM
Good win

things I liked

Andruw cranking out another homer
Rios is playing amazingly
Linebrink didnt blow the lead.He has been ok this season.
Thornton making the Mariners look silly

Bad

Daniel Hudson was not good in this outing.Now I know everyone is getting hyped up on this kid now.But his control was downright horrible yesterday.Were just lucky we played the Mariners and not another team that can actually hit.


Thornton came in and promptly gave up a hit and a walk. He is in a bit of a mini-slump for him. Got out of bases loaded with the strikeout but he is not super sharp right now.

I like Hudson,but his long arm motion is high maintenance,so his control has not been great. But, after dodging the bullet with that tipped grounder to Gordo, he was fine. Clearly, he gets swings and misses..a good thing. But,needs to tighten his control. Walking Figgins 4 times was ridiculous for Sox pitchers..and lucky that did not burn them..the guy is hitting .225...can we just throw strikes to this 36 million dollar bust?

delben91
07-20-2010, 11:30 AM
Good win

things I liked

Andruw cranking out another homer
Rios is playing amazingly
Linebrink didnt blow the lead.He has been ok this season.
Thornton making the Mariners look silly

Bad

Daniel Hudson was not good in this outing.Now I know everyone is getting hyped up on this kid now.But his control was downright horrible yesterday.Were just lucky we played the Mariners and not another team that can actually hit.


Maybe I'm off base, but weren't his K/BB numbers excellent in AAA this year? I'd venture the control issues are an aberration.

Edit: 108 Ks to 31 BBs in AAA this season. Almost 3.5:1. Link (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543339)

doublem23
07-20-2010, 11:41 AM
Maybe I'm off base, but weren't his K/BB numbers excellent in AAA this year? I'd venture the control issues are an aberration.

Edit: 108 Ks to 31 BBs in AAA this season. Almost 3.5:1. Link (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543339)

Yeah, I know it's easy for us to say that the Mariners suck and they should never ever be walked, but give the kid a break, he's 23 and pitching in the Majors. Certainly there's room for improvement there, but let's not bury the guy because his control wasn't pinpoint in his 2nd big league start of the year.

DirtySox
07-20-2010, 11:47 AM
Yeah, I know it's easy for us to say that the Mariners suck and they should never ever be walked, but give the kid a break, he's 23 and pitching in the Majors. Certainly there's room for improvement there, but let's not bury the guy because his control wasn't pinpoint in his 2nd big league start of the year.

Indeed. There is also a transitional period for young pitchers, especially those who get many strikeouts. There will be much less batters swinging and chasing at stuff out of the zone in the majors and Hudson has to adjust to that. People expecting Hudson to replicate Peavy's success before he went down have unrealistic expectations. If he is in the rotation until the end of the year, I expect an ERA in the mid 4's. This is likely what any non-ace pitcher that Kenny goes to get on the trade market will give you as well.

TDog
07-20-2010, 12:09 PM
Eddie Leon? Rich Morales? Luis Alvarado? Alan Bannister? Todd Cruz? C'mon; we have a rich tradition of stud shortstops since the early 70's! (apologies to Ozzie -- who clearly doesn't belong in that group.)

First of all, while I like Ramirez at short, Juan Uribe played a great shortstop in 2005, and his defense in the bottom of the eighth and ninth in Game 4 of the World Series preserved the 1-0 clincher.

Ozzie Guillen played more games at shortstop for the Sox than Hall of Famer Luis Aparicio, who played more games at shortstop than anyone else in major league history before Omar Vizquel. Bucky Dent emerged post Aparicio, but the Sox traded him for Oscar Gamble and two minor leagues, one of whom was LaMarr Hoyt.

More years than not, the Sox since 1950 with Chico Carasquel, have been strong at short. Before that there was Hall of Famer Luke Appling, whose games-played record Aparicio broke. There have been some down seasons for the position. between Aparicio and Dent, between Dent and Guillen (despite the great success in 1983) and between Guillen and Valentin, although Valentin's defense was erratic.

A lot of the moves, unlike trading Dent, seemed like a good idea at the time. (Trading Dent actually turned out to be a good idea, though.) Lee "Bee Bee" Richard was the White Sox first-round pick in 1970, selected sixth overall (that year, 11 of the 24 first-round picks didn't make it to the majors) and was one of the reasons the Sox believed they could trade Luis Aparicio. Morales had been backing up Aparicio, and Rich McKinney looked like he was going to be a great-hitting shortstop. But Alvarado, who came over in the Aparicio trade ended up with the post-Aparicio job, although the Sox found it necessary to pick up Eddie Leon, one of the first-round picks in baseball's first draft (sadly, for Walt "No-Neck" Williams).

Along the way, there was Harry Chappas and Mike Caruso (when Sammy Sosa was hitting all those home runs, I once told a Cubs fan, "Big deal, Mike Caruso hit a home run in Wrigley Field) and Todd Cruz before his life of crime and death at the age of 52 in a Bullhead City, Ariz., swimming pool. But shortstop is not a traditional White Sox weakness.

Even Don Kessinger, All-Star shortstop from the 1969 Cubs, ended up playing shortstop for the White Sox in the 1970s. Bill Veeck even made him the manager, no doubt looking to save a few bucks.

TomBradley72
07-20-2010, 12:18 PM
First of all, while I like Ramirez at short, Juan Uribe played a great shortstop in 2005, and his defense in the bottom of the eighth and ninth in Game 4 of the World Series preserved the 1-0 clincher.



Agree...but I think Ramirez is putting together a better overall game...defense, hitting, running, etc....but he has to prove he can sustain it.

Always a special place for Uribe-2005.

fram40
07-20-2010, 12:39 PM
Always a special place for Uribe-2005.

In my case - so special a spot that I bought a Uribe jersey.

Ramirez has been coming on at short. But it's hard to imagine anyone having having a better season as a shortstop (defensively) than 2005-Uribe. He was spectacular.

SI1020
07-20-2010, 12:52 PM
Walking Figgins 4 times was ridiculous for Sox pitchers..and lucky that did not burn them..the guy is hitting .225...can we just throw strikes to this 36 million dollar bust? He was coveted by many posters here wasn't he? I'm glad we didn't sign him.

TomBradley72
07-20-2010, 01:31 PM
In my case - so special a spot that I bought a Uribe jersey.

Ramirez has been coming on at short. But it's hard to imagine anyone having having a better season as a shortstop (defensively) than 2005-Uribe. He was spectacular.

He made so many plays that had a huge impact...the night Crede hit the walk off vs. Cleveland in late September...the only reason they were still playing was Uribe throwing a guy out from the grass in left field on a ground ball in the hole...he made plays like that all season.

Milkman43
07-20-2010, 01:51 PM
Don't stop now boys

PhillipsBubba
07-20-2010, 04:15 PM
According to MLB the Show and 2k10, he has a slider. Also, it's marked as his "best pitch".

Thank you for a sensible answer:smile:...sometimes they are difficult to come by around here:scratch:

DirtySox
07-20-2010, 04:19 PM
Thank you for a sensible answer:smile:...sometimes they are difficult to come by around here:scratch:

He has a fastball and slider. The fastball is good, the slider is below average. He throws the slider very rarely.

October26
07-20-2010, 04:33 PM
Happy to see the Sox win that game last night in Seattle - keep it going, boys! :bandance: Winning is fun and ...

TDog
07-20-2010, 04:55 PM
...

Bad

Daniel Hudson was not good in this outing.Now I know everyone is getting hyped up on this kid now.But his control was downright horrible yesterday.Were just lucky we played the Mariners and not another team that can actually hit.

Whether it was the strike zone established Monday night or Hudson being off his usual strong control, he proved to be effectively wild. I'm not sure his strong outing can be attributed entirely to the Mariners not being very good at hitting.

GoSox2K3
07-20-2010, 08:51 PM
Maybe I'm off base, but weren't his K/BB numbers excellent in AAA this year? I'd venture the control issues are an aberration.

Edit: 108 Ks to 31 BBs in AAA this season. Almost 3.5:1. Link (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543339)

Yeah, I know it's easy for us to say that the Mariners suck and they should never ever be walked, but give the kid a break, he's 23 and pitching in the Majors. Certainly there's room for improvement there, but let's not bury the guy because his control wasn't pinpoint in his 2nd big league start of the year.

Indeed. There is also a transitional period for young pitchers, especially those who get many strikeouts. There will be much less batters swinging and chasing at stuff out of the zone in the majors and Hudson has to adjust to that. People expecting Hudson to replicate Peavy's success before he went down have unrealistic expectations. If he is in the rotation until the end of the year, I expect an ERA in the mid 4's. This is likely what any non-ace pitcher that Kenny goes to get on the trade market will give you as well.

Nope. He's been horrible. Forget that 1 run in 6 2/3, this was another horrible outing in a row for him. No improvements over last week - ZILCH. This game only counts as 1/2 a win since it's only against the Mariners.

doublem23
07-20-2010, 09:08 PM
Nope. He's been horrible. Forget that 1 run in 6 2/3, this was another horrible outing in a row for him. No improvements over last week - ZILCH. This game only counts as 1/2 a win since it's only against the Mariners.

Well he certainly had a fair share of luck in only allowing 1 R, and the poster noting Hudson couldn't get away with some of those mistakes against a team that's not absolutely terrible, but Hudson showed some flashes, too.

A mixed bag. If he can give us outings like that, at worst, we should have the pitching to keep this team around the division lead.

Nellie_Fox
07-21-2010, 12:01 AM
He was coveted by many posters here wasn't he? I'm glad we didn't sign him.There was absolute WSI lust for Figgins.

GoSox2K3
07-21-2010, 01:39 PM
Well he certainly had a fair share of luck in only allowing 1 R, and the poster noting Hudson couldn't get away with some of those mistakes against a team that's not absolutely terrible, but Hudson showed some flashes, too.

A mixed bag. If he can give us outings like that, at worst, we should have the pitching to keep this team around the division lead.

Yeah, but he wasn't "horrible". Of course we're expecting him to improve, but I wouldn't call throwing 63 of 99 pitches for strikes "horrible" control as the other poster did.