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Rockabilly
06-30-2010, 06:50 PM
1 Willie Mays
2 Lou Gehrig
3 Babe Ruth
4 Pete Rose
5 Ted Williams
6 Barry Bonds
7 George Brett
8 Mickey Mantle
9 Ty Cobb
10 Frank Thomas

soltrain21
06-30-2010, 06:52 PM
1 Willie Mays
2 Lou Gehrig
3 Babe Ruth
4 Pete Rose
5 Ted Williams
6 Barry Bonds
7 George Brett
8 Mickey Mantle
9 Ty Cobb
10 Frank Thomas

Any list without Albert Pujols isn't a list at all.

Rockabilly
06-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Any list without Albert Pujols isn't a list at all.

IMO Albert isn't any better than the top 10 hitters that I name

As a matter fact. I wouldn't have Albert in my top 20 of all time

Craig Grebeck
06-30-2010, 07:05 PM
Ruth
Williams
Bonds
Gehrig
Hornsby
Mantle
Cobb
Foxx
Mays
Henderson

SoxFan1979
06-30-2010, 07:14 PM
Top 10 in any order

Musial
Ruth
Cobb
Williams
Aaron
Speaker
Wagner
Yaz
Mays
Mantle

I won't judge active players until career is over but Arod and Puljos will be up there when finished.

Coops4Aces
06-30-2010, 07:23 PM
1 Willie Mays
2 Lou Gehrig
3 Babe Ruth
4 Pete Rose
5 Ted Williams
6 Barry Bonds
7 George Brett
8 Mickey Mantle
9 Ty Cobb
10 Frank Thomas

Really? I mean I would put him in my top 10 too but only cause I love him.

HomeFish
06-30-2010, 07:34 PM
This seems like an uninteresting inquiry, given the fact that stats like OPS are able to objectively settle the question.

A. Cavatica
06-30-2010, 09:06 PM
This seems like an uninteresting inquiry, given the fact that stats like OPS are able to objectively settle the question.

OPS underrates Mark Kotsay.

Daver
06-30-2010, 09:10 PM
Strictly as hitters or as overall offensive players?

voodoochile
06-30-2010, 09:30 PM
This seems like an uninteresting inquiry, given the fact that stats like OPS are able to objectively settle the question.

I think that's too simplistic an answer.

I also think that guys like Bonds are suspect because we know they juiced.

I agree that Pujols and ARod will end up on the list eventually. However, my same reservations about Bonds apply to ARod.

Frank might have made the list if he'd stayed healthy longer, unfortunately his body started breaking down too soon and it cost him too many years of production.

Not in any particular order...

Ruth
Cobb
Mantle
Mays
Williams
Pujols
Gehrig
Aaron
Gibson
Musial

Edit: Wasn't paying attention thought it was top 10 hitters. Since Gibson never played in MLB, swap him for Foxx...

A. Cavatica
06-30-2010, 09:53 PM
Here are the top 20 in OPS+, according to Baseball Reference.


1.Babe Ruth+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ruthba01.shtml) 207
2.Ted Williams+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willite01.shtml) 190
3.Barry Bonds (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml) 181
4.Lou Gehrig+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gehrilo01.shtml) 179
5.Rogers Hornsby+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hornsro01.shtml) 175
6.Mickey Mantle+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mantlmi01.shtml) 172
Albert Pujols (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pujolal01.shtml) 172
8.Dan Brouthers+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/broutda01.shtml) 170
Shoeless Joe Jackson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jacksjo01.shtml) 170
10.Ty Cobb+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cobbty01.shtml) 168
11.Jimmie Foxx+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/foxxji01.shtml) 163
12.Pete Browning (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/brownpe01.shtml) 162
Mark McGwire (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcgwima01.shtml) 162
Dave Orr (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/orrda01.shtml) 162
15.Stan Musial+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/musiast01.shtml) 159
16.Hank Greenberg+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greenha01.shtml) 158
17.Johnny Mize+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mizejo01.shtml) 157
Tris Speaker+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/speaktr01.shtml) 157
19.Dick Allen (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/allendi01.shtml) 156
Frank Thomas (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomafr04.shtml) 156



Brouthers, Browning, and Orr would usually be ignored because they didn't play in the modern era; Bonds and McGwire should be ignored for juicing.

Jackson allegedly threw a Series but that didn't affect his hitting ability. So my list would be Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Hornsby, Mantle, Pujols, Jackson, Cobb, Foxx, Musial.

eastchicagosoxfan
06-30-2010, 10:26 PM
Ty Cobb
Babe Ruth
Mickey Mantle
Stan Musial
Lou Gehring
Henry Aarron
Eddie Murray
Honus Wagner
Rogers Hornsby
Ted Williams

No order, and no 19th century players, although Wagner's career started in 1897.

TDog
06-30-2010, 10:48 PM
Babe Ruth and Ted Williams would have to be 1 and 2, not necessarily in that order. Lou Gehirig, the only man I know of who got write-in Hall of Fame votes while he was still active (and before he was diagnosed with ALS) has to be in the top 10, as does Stan Musial and Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner and Rogers Hornsby.

You figure Joe DiMaggio has to be on the list, as would Willie Mays and Hank Aaron. And Joe Jackson should probably be on the list, although, like Cobb, his numbers would suffer because they are dead-ball numbers with lower slugging percentages than he would be if he played a few years later.

The problem is, I'm already up to 11.

I don't see how you could put either Frank Thomas or anyone named Henderson on the top 10 list. I don't see how you could put Pete Rose or even George Brett on the list. I wouldn't even put Mickey Mantle on the list.

That isn't denigrating anyone's abilities and achievements. But the modern era of baseball is more than a century old, and thee have been a lot of great hitters. The top 10 is super-elite company.

SI1020
07-01-2010, 03:43 PM
Ruth
Williams
Bonds
Gehrig
Hornsby
Mantle
Cobb
Foxx
Mays
Henderson I like your list a lot, but couldn't rate Bonds that high. Not just because of the steroid issue.

asindc
07-01-2010, 03:52 PM
Strictly as hitters or as overall offensive players?

Excellent question. I think many people take it as a given that a good hitter is an equally good offensive player. Not so, IMO. Those that look at just the hitter part of the offensive equation probably will not put Rickey Henderson in their top 10, whereas if you are considering the entire offensive package, then Henderson should rank in everyone's top 5 as far as I'm concerned.