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GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 09:04 PM
According to Gonzales and Cowley.

http://twitter.com/MDGonzales/status/16433863945

Cowley:

Oz said he hopes someone picks up Nix, who is out of options.

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:04 PM
Viciedo up. According to Gonzo.

doublem23
06-17-2010, 09:05 PM
:shrug: on Viciedo

:party: on Nix. I never want to see him again.

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 09:05 PM
Huh???

This is a bad, bad move if true.

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:05 PM
:shrug: on Viciedo

:party: on Nix. I never want to see him again.

One of my least favorite Sox players of all time.

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:06 PM
Huh???

This is a bad, bad move if true.

Why? Nix is awful. If Viciedo can hit, he stays up. If not, he goes back down when Mark is back.

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 09:06 PM
This seems really out of the blue...couldn't believe it when I saw it.

hi im skot
06-17-2010, 09:07 PM
Wow.

Rockabilly
06-17-2010, 09:07 PM
this day is getting so much better..

getonbckthr
06-17-2010, 09:07 PM
I'm not worried about the bat. I'm assuming he will play 3B thats my concern.

hi im skot
06-17-2010, 09:08 PM
Good luck, Jason. I appreciated how cool you were when my sister met you.

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 09:08 PM
Why? Nix is awful. If Viciedo can hit, he stays up. If not, he goes back down when Mark is back.

Viciedo is not ready. Lillibridge hurts the lineup more than Nix does, and Viciedo does not play good defense at 3B.

october23sp
06-17-2010, 09:08 PM
I'm in the "this is a bad move" category, what was so terrible about Nix?

Now Viciedo won't be playing everyday which will hurt him in the long run IMO, I don't like this.

Baron
06-17-2010, 09:08 PM
Sweet!!!! Viciedo has been hitting great in AAA

Craig Grebeck
06-17-2010, 09:08 PM
What in the holy hell? God help us if he's not at DH.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:08 PM
Where the heck did that come from...? So, he plays everyday? I liked Omar at third. Does he DH?

Omar at third, Dayan DH and Mark supersub when he comes back?

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:09 PM
Viciedo is not ready. Lillibridge hurts the lineup more than Nix does, and Viciedo does not play good defense at 3B.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Only one way to find out. It's not like a handful of ABs is gonna ruin the kid. This is more addition by subtraction and maybe Viciedo goes on a tear with his limited ABs.

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 09:10 PM
Cowley:

Nix said his hope is another team grabs him for the Bigs, but if he clears waivers the Sox are his first choice.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:10 PM
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Only one way to find out. It's not like a handful of ABs is gonna ruin the kid. This is more addition by subtraction and maybe Viciedo goes on a tear with his limited ABs.

No reason for him to be here if he is getting limited at bats. He either plays everyday (hopefully at DH) or shouldn't be here.

WhiteSox5187
06-17-2010, 09:12 PM
Wow. Didn't see that coming. Nix was one of those players that wasn't very good but I liked none the less.

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:12 PM
No reason for him to be here if he is getting limited at bats. He either plays everyday (hopefully at DH) or shouldn't be here.

He'll likely be here til the ASB. If he is getting limited ABs, it won't ruin him. It's not a big deal.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:13 PM
He'll likely be here til the ASB. If he is getting limited ABs, it won't ruin him. It's not a big deal.

I think you are wrong.

BlackandWhiteSox
06-17-2010, 09:13 PM
Awesome, hopefully Viciedo makes the most of it. Nix really has been awful, I'm not really sure why there's any question of that. I would think Viciedo at DH mostly with an occasional start at 3B, at least I hope.

Craig Grebeck
06-17-2010, 09:14 PM
Dayan's up for good, I'd imagine. A guy like him doesn't come up to fill in.

I'd like to see him used mainly against lefties for a few weeks -- let him get his feet wet, let him work with the hitting coach (you know, that thing).

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:14 PM
I think you are wrong.

Wrong that he will only be here til Mark is back? Wrong that a few weeks of limited ABs (if that is the case) will ruin him?

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:14 PM
Er what?

Hope he is DHing (eventually).

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 09:15 PM
Er what?

Hope he is DHing.

That would be a waste, he needs to play.

Craig Grebeck
06-17-2010, 09:15 PM
Er what?

Hope he is DHing.
DS, Do you want him out there every day?

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:16 PM
That would be a waste, he needs to play.

Needs to play bad defense?

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:16 PM
Wrong that he will only be here til Mark is back? Wrong that a few weeks of limited ABs (if that is the case) will ruin him?

I think they have plans to keep him up post ASB. Hopefully the plan is him at DH, Mark as your supersub and Omar at third.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:17 PM
DS, Do you want him out there every day?

Eventually. He shouldn't be called up to sit on the bench.

Hitmen77
06-17-2010, 09:18 PM
What in the holy hell? God help us if he's not at DH.

If he's coming up to DH, this is interesting timing since we don't get to use a DH until Tuesday.

I don't follow the minors much, but I though Viciedo only recently turned things around in AAA. Can anyone here shed some light on why the Sox might think he's ready for the majors now?

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:18 PM
I think they have plans to keep him up post ASB. Hopefully the plan is him at DH, Mark as your supersub and Omar at third.

If he hits, then yea, he could stay up. And really, his AAA numbers are not bad. He strikes out a lot, but many power hitters do. His average is solid, as are his power numbers. If he looks like **** or isn't playing, I would assume they send him down.

twinsuck
06-17-2010, 09:18 PM
What will the Sox do with all those large assed pants now...

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 09:19 PM
From Garfien:

Viciedo batting .288 with 13 HRs in AAA.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:19 PM
If he's coming up to DH, this is interesting timing since we don't get to use a DH until Tuesday.

I don't follow the minors much, but I though Viciedo only recently turned things around in AAA. Can anyone here shed some light on why the Sox might think he's ready for the majors now?

I don't think there is any rhyme or reason on how to advance in the Sox organization.

EMachine10
06-17-2010, 09:20 PM
From Garfien:

Viciedo batting .288 with 13 HRs in AAA.
He hit his 14th tonight.

sox1970
06-17-2010, 09:20 PM
From Garfien:

Viciedo batting .288 with 13 HRs in AAA.

.290 and 14. He played tonight.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:20 PM
From Garfien:

Viciedo batting .288 with 13 HRs in AAA.

Yes. He has been hitting rather well. He is a free swinger and doesn't walk much at all though. He also has little defensive value. It's peculiar to me that he is being called up now in the middle of interleague play.

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 09:21 PM
If he's coming up to DH, this is interesting timing since we don't get to use a DH until Tuesday.

I might go nuclear if they try to start him off tomorrow against Strasburg.

What will the Sox do with all those large assed pants now...

Send them off to Juan Uribe.

Crestani
06-17-2010, 09:21 PM
He has been really pounding the ball lately, (13hr) but has played primarily at 1st base the past month..??

getonbckthr
06-17-2010, 09:22 PM
Potential 2-4 week audition in case we become buyers in a month?

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:22 PM
He has been really pounding the ball lately, (13hr) but has played primarily at 1st base the past month..??

Obviously, PK has been traded. I am sure it will break any second now.

twinsuck
06-17-2010, 09:23 PM
:lol: I guess manders and I weren't the only ones who noticed that.

/hijack
yeah, his butt is almost as big as Sidney Crosby's.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:23 PM
Potential 2-4 week audition in case we become buyers in a month?

The White Sox like to keep their trade-able assets in the minors generally to inflate value.

Chez
06-17-2010, 09:24 PM
I like this move. Nix was an adequate defensive second basemen but truly horrible at third. Dayan gives us a legitimate right handed bat off the bench -- especially with Jones slumping -- and can play third occasionally. Omar can't play everyday and Dayan is a better option than Nix.

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 09:24 PM
Obviously, PK has been traded. I am sure it will break any second now.

:o:

That possibility hadn't occurred to me. You don't think that really happened, do you?

TDog
06-17-2010, 09:24 PM
No reason for him to be here if he is getting limited at bats. He either plays everyday (hopefully at DH) or shouldn't be here.

If that's the case, it's curious that the Sox would call him up while on the road to National League cities.

Nix had one great moment this season, and I believe that was in the game where he came in to replace Teahen.

This is out of the blue, something that would seem to follow a trade of Nix for minor-league return than designating Nix for assignment. Nix has not looked good at all at third. Viciedo, though, has not been playing much third at Charlotte, as I understand it.

I like Vizquel at third. I'm sure White Sox pitchers prefer Vizauel at third over Teahen and certainly Nix.

I'm interested in seeing how this develops. A quarter of a century ago, people thought the Pirates were crazy for sticking Bobby Bonilla, who never hit above .254 in the minors and never played any position well, at third base. Some people thought the Giants were crazy for putting moving Pablo Sandoval to third base after they failed to sign Joe Crede as a free agent.

I don't expect Viciedo to be much of a third baseman, though.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:25 PM
What will the Sox do with all those large assed pants now...

Pretty sure Dayan is going need some large assed pants of his own. He isn't exactly the picture of athleticism.

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 09:25 PM
Obviously, PK has been traded. I am sure it will break any second now.

Uh...:scratch: Never thought about that, I'll keep an eagle-eye on things.

WhiteSox5187
06-17-2010, 09:26 PM
I like this move. Nix was an adequate defensive second basemen but truly horrible at third. Dayan gives us a legitimate right handed bat off the bench -- especially with Jones slumping -- and can play third occasionally. Omar can't play everyday and Dayan is a better option than Nix.

I haven't seen him play, but from what I've read Viciedo at third will make Teahen look like Brooks Robinson.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:27 PM
If that's the case, it's curious that the Sox would call him up while on the road to National League cities.

Indeed. Something doesn't add up, unless they just want some extra time for him to get acclimated?

I really am perplexed.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:27 PM
I thought Dayan stopped playing third and they moved him to first...? Did I just make that up?

WhiteSox5187
06-17-2010, 09:28 PM
I don't think there is any rhyme or reason on how to advance in the Sox organization.

According to Daver if it's all about hitting. If you can hit, you move up. Butcher in the field? Complete inability to lay down a bunt? Hit the other way? Run the bases? Hit the cutoff man? No worries! You can hit!

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:28 PM
I haven't seen him play, but from what I've read Viciedo at third will make Teahen look like Brooks Robinson.

I haven't seen enough of Viciedo at 3B to make that assessment, but reports on his D at 3B are not good.

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:28 PM
Indeed. Something doesn't add up, unless they just want some extra time for him to get acclimated?

I really am perplexed.

Maybe they will have him lead off tomorrow and charge the mound. That's one way to get the Wonder Kid out of the game.

BlackandWhiteSox
06-17-2010, 09:29 PM
They need a right-handed DH because Jones is on his way out, maybe?

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:29 PM
I thought Dayan stopped playing third and they moved him to first...? Did I just make that up?

No. That was the plan. He has been playing primarily 1B this year with the occasional start at 3B. He has been playing 3rd more often lately though.

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 09:29 PM
I'm loving the speculation and wondering if a bigger trade is in the works right now.

twinsuck
06-17-2010, 09:30 PM
Maybe they will have him lead off tomorrow and charge the mound. That's one way to get the Wonder Kid out of the game.
I love this.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:30 PM
I'm loving the speculation and wondering if a bigger trade is in the works right now.

I love speculation too, but I'm thinking they are just content at throwing another butcher out to 3B. The only thing giving me pause is that Omar has been adequate lately.

Brian26
06-17-2010, 09:30 PM
I like this move. Nix was an adequate defensive second basemen but truly horrible at third.

The voice of reason here. Thank you. Nix has been brutal at third base. He air-mailed a routine 5-3 groundout as recently as Sunday during Gavin's no-hit bid. His range and hands were suspect as well.

With Viciedo, we're probably not losing THAT much at 3B defensively, and maybe he can actually hit.

kittle42
06-17-2010, 09:31 PM
Oh, the uproar over getting rid of probably the worst player on the roster.

Reminds me of the backup catcher threads every offseason.

PhillipsBubba
06-17-2010, 09:31 PM
Huh???

This is a bad, bad move if true.

Your last name wouldn't happen to be Nix, would it???:scratch:

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:32 PM
Oh, the uproar over getting rid of probably the worst player on the roster.

Reminds me of the backup catcher threads every offseason.

I don't think there is any "uproar" over Nix being gone. I think everyone is just wondering what the plan is with Dayan...?

doublem23
06-17-2010, 09:32 PM
I'm in the "this is a bad move" category, what was so terrible about Nix?

Now Viciedo won't be playing everyday which will hurt him in the long run IMO, I don't like this.

What was so terrible about Nix? The guy couldn't hit and was a butcher in the field. What exactly was he bringing to the Sox?

Viciedo can at least hit everyday once we get away from this National League silliness. I'd rather watch him everyday than watch our parade of losers at DH.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:32 PM
Oh, the uproar over getting rid of probably the worst player on the roster.

Reminds me of the backup catcher threads every offseason.

I don't think there is much uproar, just a lot of confusion.

hi im skot
06-17-2010, 09:32 PM
Oh, the uproar over getting rid of probably the worst player on the roster.

Reminds me of the backup catcher threads every offseason.

I don't think most folks are upset to see Nix go; most of the worry is based on Viciedo's readiness (or lack thereof) to play in the big leagues.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:33 PM
I don't think most folks are upset to see Nix go; most of the worry is based on Viciedo's readiness (or lack thereof) to play in the big leagues.

Jinx.

Brian26
06-17-2010, 09:33 PM
According to Daver if it's all about hitting. If you can hit, you move up. Butcher in the field? Complete inability to lay down a bunt? Hit the other way? Run the bases? Hit the cutoff man? No worries! You can hit!

Everything above also describes Nix.....except the hitting part.

hi im skot
06-17-2010, 09:34 PM
Jinx.

http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/coca_cola_classic.jpg

PhillipsBubba
06-17-2010, 09:34 PM
I don't think most folks are upset to see Nix go; most of the worry is based on Viciedo's readiness (or lack thereof) to play in the big leagues.

We'll never know unless we bring him up...or are you worried about his tender sensibilities if he fails?

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:35 PM
We'll never know unless we bring him up...or are you worried about his tender sensibilities if he fails?

Yes, because there should be no worries about rushing prospects. Especially with the White Sox fantastic track record in that regard.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:35 PM
We'll never know unless we bring him up...or are you worried about his tender sensibilities if he fails?

I've read Dayan's diary. He is only a little sensitive.

LoveYourSuit
06-17-2010, 09:35 PM
I think Viciedo in the Bigs is something for Sox fans to be excited about. Another glimpse at the future.


Nix sucked hot air anywhere he played. I would be shocked if anyone claims him.

hi im skot
06-17-2010, 09:36 PM
We'll never know unless we bring him up...or are you worried about his tender sensibilities if he fails?

Give me a break. I'm concerned about replacing two ****ty third basemen with another one, especially after we finally plugged in a gold glover there.

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 09:36 PM
Your last name wouldn't happen to be Nix, would it???:scratch:

You wouldn't happen to understand that I'm not the only person that thinks it's a bad move, would you?

sox1970
06-17-2010, 09:36 PM
So he DH's 3 times a week. Plays 3B and 1B once a week, and knocks Kotsay to the bench where he belongs. Sounds good to me. Also Jones is probably on his way out of town.

hi im skot
06-17-2010, 09:37 PM
I've read Dayan's diary. He is only a little sensitive.

That's true; his favorite Get-Up Kids record is the split they did with Coalesce.

TDog
06-17-2010, 09:39 PM
I don't think most folks are upset to see Nix go; most of the worry is based on Viciedo's readiness (or lack thereof) to play in the big leagues.

Would they voice the same concerns if Flowers were called up and Pierzynski were traded? One assumes the White Sox would get something in return for Pierzynski, but it wouldn't be something that would help this team this year, so the comparison is still relevant.

thomas35forever
06-17-2010, 09:39 PM
When Beckham was called up last year, I said he better be ready to hit Major League pitching. He was. Here's hoping Viciedo does the same. He's also the first player born the same year I was to wear a White Sox uniform.:gulp:

hi im skot
06-17-2010, 09:40 PM
Would they voice the same concerns if Flowers were called up and Pierzynski were traded?

Yes, absolutely.

doublem23
06-17-2010, 09:41 PM
Would they voice the same concerns if Flowers were called up and Pierzynski were traded? One assumes the White Sox would get something in return for Pierzynski, but it wouldn't be something that would help this team this year, so the comparison is still relevant.

Consider Flowers has been hitting ATROCIOUSLY at Charlotte, this year, I'm not exactly wild about watching him flail helplessly for the Sox for 1/2 a year.

Sockinchisox
06-17-2010, 09:41 PM
Garfien seems to think Dayan will be playing 3rd.

http://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/16436115816

sullythered
06-17-2010, 09:41 PM
Well, at least Viciedo looks like he can hit the ball. Whatever anybody says, that's still our biggest problem area.

LoveYourSuit
06-17-2010, 09:42 PM
Consider Flowers has been hitting ATROCIOUSLY at Charlotte, this year, I'm not exactly wild about watching him flail helplessly for the Sox for 1/2 a year.


Greg Walker will get him right :cool:

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 09:42 PM
When does Teahen come back? Will they be competing for the spot? I'm confused.

ilsox7
06-17-2010, 09:42 PM
I'm going to buy prorated season tickets based on this move.

EMachine10
06-17-2010, 09:42 PM
Consider Flowers has been hitting ATROCIOUSLY at Charlotte, this year, I'm not exactly wild about watching him flail helplessly for the Sox for 1/2 a year.
He was hitting fairly well until he tried heeding Walker's advice. Since he went back to his ways, he has been picking it back up.

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 09:43 PM
Would they voice the same concerns if Flowers were called up and Pierzynski were traded? One assumes the White Sox would get something in return for Pierzynski, but it wouldn't be something that would help this team this year, so the comparison is still relevant.

If it facilitates a trade, it's a totally different scenario. But right now, it's just a typical call-up, and I don't think he's ready for that.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:43 PM
He was hitting fairly well until he tried heeding Walker's advice. Since he went back to his ways, he has been picking it back up.

Indeed. He has been hitting much better since returning to his old swing.

Sockinchisox
06-17-2010, 09:43 PM
When does Teahen come back? Will they be competing for the spot? I'm confused.

If Dayan hits, they'll probably just DFA Kotsay or Jones and let Dayan DH.

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 09:44 PM
If Dayan hits, they'll probably just DFA Kotsay or Jones and let Dayan DH.

Isn't it better for him to play every day at a position, though? I honestly thought he was still a few years away.

LoveYourSuit
06-17-2010, 09:44 PM
I think the Sox come to realize that they can't play Vizquel every night and not have someone to give Gordon and Alexei a night off here and there.

You need to plug in someone at 3B, even if his defense is as bad as Teahan.

Baron
06-17-2010, 09:45 PM
He was hitting fairly well until he tried heeding Walker's advice. Since he went back to his ways, he has been picking it back up.

He is currently hitting a .273 the last ten games.His average is at .223 because of those very bad outings he had before he changed his swing again.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 09:46 PM
I think the Sox come to realize that they can't play Vizquel every night and not have someone to give Gordon and Alexei a night off here and there.

You need to plug in someone at 3B, even if his defense is as bad as Teahan.

I'm thinking this is the case as well. I just hope he gets the majority of his playing time at DH and 1B.

Noneck
06-17-2010, 09:47 PM
1.25M is a lot to play in the minors. This doesnt surprise me.

TDog
06-17-2010, 09:48 PM
If Dayan hits, they'll probably just DFA Kotsay or Jones and let Dayan DH.

The White Sox will send down Lillibridge when Teahen comes back.

Baron
06-17-2010, 09:49 PM
Hopefully Dayan gets 1 at bat against Strasburg and he hits a homer off him :D:

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:49 PM
1.25M is a lot to play in the minors. This doesnt surprise me.

Highly doubt that's the reason. If money was an issue he would have been around a while ago. Keep fighting the JR is cheap fight, though.

Sockinchisox
06-17-2010, 09:50 PM
The White Sox will send down Lillibridge when Teahen comes back.

Forgot he was here, yeah that would work.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:50 PM
Let's see some shades of BA against King Felix when BA went yard twice against him.

Hope Dayan is ready to be a pitcher in five years.

manders_01
06-17-2010, 09:51 PM
Cowley:

Nix said his hope is another team grabs him for the Bigs, but if he clears waivers the Sox are his first choice.

I'm glad he wants to stay here. I've always thought Jayson seemed like a great guy, both on and off the field, and I've always gotten the impression that he gets absolutely eaten up at his mistakes. That's why I've always liked him. While I agree he is a much better second than third baseman, I think he could have gotten his **** together at that position and become a great substitute for Teahen.

BlackandWhiteSox
06-17-2010, 09:53 PM
I wonder if they told Viciedo he was going to be brought up while he was playing tonight, that certainly was quick.

Noneck
06-17-2010, 09:55 PM
Keep fighting the JR is cheap fight, though.

Its called getting a return on investment.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:56 PM
Its called getting a return on investment.

It's called if it were about money he would have been up a lot quicker than now.

Baron
06-17-2010, 09:56 PM
I wonder if they told Viciedo he was going to be brought up while he was playing tonight, that certainly was quick.

He played good today to

2 hits 3 RBIs 1 HR .290 avg

A. Cavatica
06-17-2010, 09:56 PM
Dayan an .860 career hitter against Strasburg, but only 0 at-bats.

Brian26
06-17-2010, 09:59 PM
Dayan an .860 career hitter against Strasburg, but only 0 at-bats.

I'm guessing there's a typo in here. How many AB's?

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 09:59 PM
Dayan an .860 career hitter against Strasburg, but only 0 at-bats.


http://www.v7n.com/forums/attachments/forum-lobby/7775d1215734467-animated-gif-thread-56k-warning-funny_pictures_animated_funny_baby.gif

Noneck
06-17-2010, 10:00 PM
It's called if it were about money he would have been up a lot quicker than now.

Cant bring someone up till he at least hits his weight. Maybe he finally now has reached that point.

sullythered
06-17-2010, 10:02 PM
http://www.v7n.com/forums/attachments/forum-lobby/7775d1215734467-animated-gif-thread-56k-warning-funny_pictures_animated_funny_baby.gif

I don't know how I have missed this gif until now, but it is brilliant.

WhiteSox5187
06-17-2010, 10:03 PM
Everything above also describes Nix.....except the hitting part.

I'm not a fan of Nix at third, but again, from what I've read Viciedo will make Teahen look like Brooks Robinson and could make Nix look like Joe Crede.

Harry Potter
06-17-2010, 10:04 PM
If only KW got his man in Figgins /teal

SoxSpeed22
06-17-2010, 10:04 PM
Augh. At least Nix is gone. I think it's way too early for Viciedo, even if he is just DHing.
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out Nix.

hi im skot
06-17-2010, 10:07 PM
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out Nix.

Easier said than done.

LoveYourSuit
06-17-2010, 10:08 PM
I'm not a fan of Nix at third, but again, from what I've read Viciedo will make Teahen look like Brooks Robinson and could make Nix look like Joe Crede.


Come on, that's a bit extreme.

JB98
06-17-2010, 10:12 PM
Don't know whether Viciedo is ready, but Nix won't be missed.

It's one thing that Nix can't hit, but a backup utility infielder needs to play defense. Nix can't field, and that's probably why he's gone.

PhillipsBubba
06-17-2010, 10:13 PM
Yes, because there should be no worries about rushing prospects. Especially with the White Sox fantastic track record in that regard.

Here's a thought; lets draft baseball players and NEVER BRING THEM UP...that way there's no chance of them failing.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 10:17 PM
Here's a thought; lets draft baseball players and NEVER BRING THEM UP...that way there's no chance of them failing.

Because that is clearly what is being advocated here. Good work.

esbrechtel
06-17-2010, 10:19 PM
Where the heck did that come from...? So, he plays everyday? I liked Omar at third. Does he DH?

Omar at third, Dayan DH and Mark supersub when he comes back?


That's my choice

Foulke You
06-17-2010, 10:20 PM
Its called getting a return on investment.
I have to agree. The clock is ticking already on Viciedo's contract. The Sox have him locked up for 4 years. We are about halfway into year 2 of the deal. Time to see if the big Cubano can hit.

LoveYourSuit
06-17-2010, 10:20 PM
That's my choice


I think we are putting way too many eggs in that Omar basket.


I think Omar's value as a bench players is much greater than playing every day. Yes, he's been hot lately but a man that age cannot grind it out every night going forward.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 10:21 PM
I have to agree. The clock is ticking already on Viciedo's contract. The Sox have him locked up for 4 years. We are about halfway into year 2 of the deal. Time to see if the big Cubano can hit.

This misconception still exists? The White Sox have full control of Dayan exactly as if he was drafted.

PhillipsBubba
06-17-2010, 10:23 PM
Because that is clearly what is being advocated here. Good work.

Thanks!:smile:

TomBradley72
06-17-2010, 10:23 PM
Don't know whether Viciedo is ready, but Nix won't be missed.

It's one thing that Nix can't hit, but a backup utility infielder needs to play defense. Nix can't field, and that's probably why he's gone.

As of tonight he's exactly a .200 career hitter....at 27 along with his defense...just not a legitiimate major league player.

I could see Jones or Kotsay gone when Teahen comes back. Jones is now hitting .194 from 2008-2010 across 639 ABs....looks washed up to me.
If Vizquel is your 3rd baseman for 2010, Teahen could take the Kotsay role due to his 3 year deal.

Craig Grebeck
06-17-2010, 10:28 PM
I believe I read somewhere that Dayan has soft hands and a good arm, but has fall-down range.

Foulke You
06-17-2010, 10:29 PM
This misconception still exists? The White Sox have full control of Dayan exactly as if he was drafted.
Sorry, I didn't know that. So sorry I frustrated you with my post.:rolleyes: I thought a free agent from Cuba was a regular free agent since he wasn't drafted. Does age have something to do with it? Regardless, $2.5 million per year ($10 million total) is a lot to pay for a guy to stay in Charlotte wouldn't you say?

voodoochile
06-17-2010, 10:30 PM
So he DH's 3 times a week. Plays 3B and 1B once a week, and knocks Kotsay to the bench where he belongs. Sounds good to me. Also Jones is probably on his way out of town.

Jones for Dunn and send Dayan back down...

gosox41
06-17-2010, 10:30 PM
Here's a thought; lets draft baseball players and NEVER BRING THEM UP...that way there's no chance of them failing.

Or at least let's bring up players who can actually field a position that isn't taken. Dayan is a first baseman/DH. Unless he's going to play one of those postions every day (I think it's dumb to bring up a young player to have him sit on the bench and be a utility player) there is no reason to have him here.


Bob

Slappy
06-17-2010, 10:35 PM
Jones for Dunn and send Dayan back down...

:unsure:





























:rolling:

BigHurt3515
06-17-2010, 10:37 PM
Im excited to see what he can do

You didnt know it was the time of the year to bring up prospects??
Strasburg, Santana, Stanton, Lincoln, Alverez, now Viciedo

soxinem1
06-17-2010, 10:37 PM
I'm in the "this is a bad move" category, what was so terrible about Nix?

Now Viciedo won't be playing everyday which will hurt him in the long run IMO, I don't like this.

I agree with you on this one 100%.

Nix was not a 3B, but he was a decent bat and 2B last year who got no real PT this year.

Viciedo reminds me of CLee when he was a 3B.

He was so good there in the minors he was immediately put in LF when he was brought up.

Think it might be possible he plays some at 1B in preparation of Konerko leaving, then DH as well?:scratch:

If anything, Andruw Jones might be the next casualty if Dyan hits.

voodoochile
06-17-2010, 10:39 PM
:unsure:


:rolling:

Oh good, I was worried I'd need teal. Glad it was unnecessary...

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 10:39 PM
Im excited to see what he can do

You didnt know it was the time of the year to bring up prospects??
Strasburg, Santana, Stanton, Lincoln, Alverez, now Viciedo


tZIvgQ9ik48

BigHurt3515
06-17-2010, 10:41 PM
tZIvgQ9ik48

I knew i should of put a "haha" after or something

Noneck
06-17-2010, 10:41 PM
Regardless, $2.5 million per year ($10 million total) is a lot to pay for a guy to stay in Charlotte wouldn't you say?

Not 2.5m per year. But still a lot with nothing to show for it so far.

09-1M, 10-1.25m, 11-1.25m, 12-2.5m

Oh forgot about that 4m signing bonus.

Sockinchisox
06-17-2010, 10:41 PM
Dayan will not play tomorrow.

Ozzie says he'll "pick his spots" to play him.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/sox-call-up-21-year-old-viciedo-dfa-nix.html

Craig Grebeck
06-17-2010, 10:42 PM
Dayan will not play tomorrow.

Ozzie says he'll "pick his spots" to play him.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/sox-call-up-21-year-old-viciedo-dfa-nix.html
I'm guessing he'll pinch-hit this weekend, maybe give him a chance at 1B on Sunday.

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 10:43 PM
Dayan will not play tomorrow.

Ozzie says he'll "pick his spots" to play him.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/sox-call-up-21-year-old-viciedo-dfa-nix.html

Darn.

Dayan certainly has the bat speed to face Strasburg. Probably a good idea to let him settle in though.

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 10:44 PM
Dayan will not play tomorrow.

Ozzie says he'll "pick his spots" to play him.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/sox-call-up-21-year-old-viciedo-dfa-nix.html


That completely makes sense. Bring up the guy who probably isn't ready to not even play everyday. That'll help him.

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 10:45 PM
I remember people were concerned about Viciedo's weight - has he lost weight, or is it simply how he's built? I wonder if that will be a concern in the future.

Baron
06-17-2010, 10:45 PM
Darn.

Dayan certainly has the bat speed to face Strasburg. Probably a good idea to let him settle in though.

mmmm cant wait to see Old man Omar against that 100mph fastball

DirtySox
06-17-2010, 10:46 PM
I remember people were concerned about Viciedo's weight - has he lost weight, or is it simply how he's built? I wonder if that will be a concern in the future.

Most reports early in the season noted he was still out of shape. He won't ever be a svelte individual though. Weight will definitely be a concern in the future.

Baron
06-17-2010, 10:48 PM
This quote from Ozzie is stupid


"I don't want to have him remember the first game of his career against that kid (Stephen Strasburg). After that, we'll decide."

soltrain21
06-17-2010, 10:49 PM
This quote from Ozzie is stupid


"I don't want to have him remember the first game of his career against that kid (Stephen Strasburg). After that, we'll decide."

Yeah. It doesn't make sense at all.

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 10:49 PM
This quote from Ozzie is stupid


"I don't want to have him remember the first game of his career against that kid (Stephen Strasburg). After that, we'll decide."

Sounds pretty wise to me. Viciedo will get embarrassed against Strasburg.

Baron
06-17-2010, 10:51 PM
Sounds pretty wise to me. Viciedo will get embarrassed against Strasburg.

I think a good portion of our lineup will get embarrassed by him.Is Ozzie going to bench them to?

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 10:52 PM
I think a good portion of our lineup will get embarrassed by him.Is Ozzie going to bench them to?

Viciedo has seen zero major league at bats, and has never seen someone as good as Strasburg. He's going to look like Pedro Cerrano against that curve.

GoGoCrede
06-17-2010, 10:53 PM
This quote from Ozzie is stupid


"I don't want to have him remember the first game of his career against that kid (Stephen Strasburg). After that, we'll decide."

Is it coddling or is it a wise decision?

Baron
06-17-2010, 10:54 PM
Viciedo has seen zero major league at bats, and has never seen someone as good as Strasburg. He's going to look like Pedro Cerrano against that curve.

Does everyone forget that Strasburg has played only 2 games so far? Its not like he has been in the league for 5 years already.I say heck throw him out there and see what happens.

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 10:55 PM
Does everyone forget that Strasburg has played only 2 games so far? Its not like he has been in the league for 5 years already.I say heck throw him out there and see what happens.

Strasburg is not a typical prospect.

PhillipsBubba
06-17-2010, 10:56 PM
Or at least let's bring up players who can actually field a position that isn't taken. Dayan is a first baseman/DH. Unless he's going to play one of those postions every day (I think it's dumb to bring up a young player to have him sit on the bench and be a utility player) there is no reason to have him here.


Bob

I wonder if Ozzie and Kenny were in agreement on this one???

Baron
06-17-2010, 10:56 PM
Strasburg is not a typical prospect.

No he is top of the line....but he has still only played 2 games so far

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 10:59 PM
No he is top of the line....but he has still only played 2 games so far

I get that. But I don't think it's a stretch to say that, at this point, Strasburg vs. Viciedo is a horrible mismatch. Only the best prospects come out of the minors hitting major league pitching. Strasburg has shown that he can get major league hitting out consistently to this point.

Baron
06-17-2010, 11:00 PM
I get that. But I don't think it's a stretch to say that, at this point, Strasburg vs. Viciedo is a horrible mismatch. Only the best prospects come out of the minors hitting major league pitching. Strasburg has shown that he can get major league hitting out consistently to this point.

Well at this point I think Strasburg vs anyone not named Paulie or Rios in this lineup is a horrible mismatch

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 11:02 PM
Well at this point I think Strasburg vs anyone not named Paulie or Rios in this lineup is a horrible mismatch

That's not what's being discussed. This is specifically about Dayan Viciedo. Ozzie wants to spare him, and some people thought it's stupid. I disagree.

Chez
06-17-2010, 11:03 PM
Does everyone forget that Strasburg has played only 2 games so far? Its not like he has been in the league for 5 years already.I say heck throw him out there and see what happens.

I agree. I'm not ready to concede tomorrow's game. Strasburg has faced Pittsburgh and Cleveland (without Sizemore and Cabrerra).

Slappy
06-17-2010, 11:04 PM
I get that. But I don't think it's a stretch to say that, at this point, Strasburg vs. Viciedo is a horrible mismatch. Only the best prospects come out of the minors hitting major league pitching. Strasburg has shown that he can get major league hitting out consistently to this point.

Teams don't call up players from AAA and then find a possible good matchup for them. You're in the big leagues, you either hit or you don't.

Look at what the Pirates did with Alvarez. He has notoriously struggled with lefties but they put him in his first game against John Danks.

Strasburg has pitched 2 games, chill.

Baron
06-17-2010, 11:04 PM
That's not what's being discussed. This is specifically about Dayan Viciedo. Ozzie wants to spare him, and some people thought it's stupid. I disagree.

Ozzie wants to spare him he might as well spare the rest of the lineup from getting embarrassed thats all Im saying.Carlos,Gordon and Omar are most likely going to be looking like fools tomorrow.But the top of the order I think has a chance to knock this guy into submission

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 11:08 PM
Ozzie wants to spare him he might as well spare the rest of the lineup from getting embarrassed thats all Im saying.Carlos,Gordon and Omar are most likely going to be looking like fools tomorrow.But the top of the order I think has a chance to knock this guy into submission

The rest of the lineup has been playing ball at this level for some time now. Throwing them against Strasburg is nothing new to them. They've faced similar or better pitching. Viciedo has not.

Domeshot17
06-17-2010, 11:11 PM
Teams don't call up players from AAA and then find a possible good matchup for them. You're in the big leagues, you either hit or you don't.

Look at what the Pirates did with Alvarez. He has notoriously struggled with lefties but they put him in his first game against John Danks.

Strasburg has pitched 2 games, chill.

Danks is my favorite player on this team... but he is not Steven Strasburg. Pound for Pound, Strasburg might be more talented right now than any pitcher on our team, possibly any pitcher not named Verlander or Grienke in our division, and even that is a coin flip.

That said, Let him get his feet wet, better be embarrased with everyone else in the lineup and get it over with lol. My high school coach used the approach on me. I got called up to Varsity as a Freshman, and my first ever High School Varsity AB came against Kris Honel. It was terrible, but made the next guy look a lot less intimidating. Plus, did Vicedio see Strasburg when Team USA played Cuba (I could be 100% wrong on this).

Slappy
06-17-2010, 11:16 PM
Danks is my favorite player on this team... but he is not Steven Strasburg. Pound for Pound, Strasburg might be more talented right now than any pitcher on our team, possibly any pitcher not named Verlander or Grienke in our division, and even that is a coin flip.

Just sayin, that's a losers mentality. And if Ozzie is that kind of manager, we're doomed.

Domeshot17
06-17-2010, 11:24 PM
Just sayin, that's a losers mentality. And if Ozzie is that kind of manager, we're doomed.

I do agree, throw him in the fire, Like I said, striking out and looking like a fool is much easier when everyone else is too. I was more just saying Alvarez has probably faced pitching close to Danks Calibur at times.

Also, does anyone else fear another power struggle here? If Dayan is up, Kenny is going to want him playing 5 games a week, and that means Ozzie has to play a rookie over his beloveds in Vizquel and Kotsay (assuming he splits time at dh/3b). We have seen this story before, hopefully with a different ending this time. If Dayan hits, he will play.

Boondock Saint
06-17-2010, 11:26 PM
I do agree, throw him in the fire, Like I said, striking out and looking like a fool is much easier when everyone else is too. I was more just saying Alvarez has probably faced pitching close to Danks Calibur at times.

Also, does anyone else fear another power struggle here? If Dayan is up, Kenny is going to want him playing 5 games a week, and that means Ozzie has to play a rookie over his beloveds in Vizquel and Kotsay (assuming he splits time at dh/3b). We have seen this story before, hopefully with a different ending this time. If Dayan hits, he will play.

Big time. I hope it doesn't happen, but the potential is certainly there.

Craig Grebeck
06-17-2010, 11:27 PM
It's not hard: Viciedo will pinch-hit on Friday and Saturday -- something I'm fine with, and will probably start at 1B on Sunday and DH from there. I'm absolutely okay with such a strategy.

If Walker is an actual hitting coach, Viciedo will benefit just from BP reps with the major leaguers. I'm okay with easing him in for one series.

SoxSpeed22
06-17-2010, 11:32 PM
Strasburg is already in the hall of fame.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5273257
Regardless, I'm okay with easing in Viciedo. If he can pinch hit for this series, and maybe start Sunday, that could work, as CG said.

soxfan43
06-17-2010, 11:33 PM
It's not hard: Viciedo will pinch-hit on Friday and Saturday -- something I'm fine with, and will probably start at 1B on Sunday and DH from there. I'm absolutely okay with such a strategy.

If Walker is an actual hitting coach, Viciedo will benefit just from BP reps with the major leaguers. I'm okay with easing him in for one series.

I don't see what's wrong with that either. Let the kid get his feet wet with a pinch hit and then get him in there. I can't believe all the negativity for a guy who hasn't even played yet. At least give him the chance to suck first.

slavko
06-17-2010, 11:44 PM
Let's see some shades of BA against King Felix when BA went yard twice against him.

Hope Dayan is ready to be a pitcher in five years.

Ha, funny.

Dayan an .860 career hitter against Strasburg, but only 0 at-bats.

Funnier.

Strasburg is already in the hall of fame.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5273257
Regardless, I'm okay with easing in Viciedo. If he can pinch hit for this series, and maybe start Sunday, that could work, as CG said.

Preparing to hate Strasburg, want to see him once first. Thought I saw that Mark Prior motion from him on the highlights.

TheOldRoman
06-17-2010, 11:45 PM
He was hitting fairly well until he tried heeding Walker's advice. Since he went back to his ways, he has been picking it back up.Facts schmacts. As for Viciedo, hopefully he is ready. He wont be the full time DH, but between DH, 1B and 3B, I think he will play about 75% of the time.

slavko
06-17-2010, 11:54 PM
Highly doubt that's the reason. If money was an issue he would have been around a while ago. Keep fighting the JR is cheap fight, though.


He's right. Bringing up an unready player helps the old bottom line, doesn't it? Puts butts in the seats. That JR is always thinking a step ahead.

voodoochile
06-17-2010, 11:56 PM
He's right. Bringing up an unready player helps the old bottom line, doesn't it? Puts butts in the seats. That JR is always thinking a step ahead.

Has Viciedo been getting so much press that he's actually expected to be a ticket draw?

PhillipsBubba
06-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Nix was never worthy of wearing the same number as the great Bubba Phillips!

Mod Edit: I removed the photo with "Chicago Tribune" clearly printed across it. The Trib gets very testy about their copyrighted photos. DO NOT post copyrighted materials on WSI.

Noneck
06-18-2010, 12:37 AM
He's right. Bringing up an unready player helps the old bottom line, doesn't it? Puts butts in the seats. That JR is always thinking a step ahead.

They have paid Viciedo almost 6M so far and what was their return on that investment? Zero

Will he put people in the seats while playing in the minors? NO

Will he put people in the seats while playing for the Sox? Maybe

Don't be so naive to think that spending this kind of money with no return so far isn't a factor in the decision to bring him up.

BainesHOF
06-18-2010, 12:52 AM
Anyone who thought Nix was a Major League player coming into the season needs to have their baseball knowledge questioned.

At best, Nix is a softball player. I'd like to know why Kenny and Ozzie thought he belonged on the team. He was very poor defensively and offensively last year, and showed no signs of making any adjustments. He was going to help us this season how exactly?

NLaloosh
06-18-2010, 12:59 AM
Huh???

This is a bad, bad move if true.

What could possibly be bad ? Losing Nix ? Really ?

Boondock Saint
06-18-2010, 01:04 AM
What could possibly be bad ? Losing Nix ? Really ?

What about ruining yet another prospect's development? For about the fifth time in this thread, people aren't worried about losing Nix. People are concerned that Viciedo isn't ready for MLB, and is going to be overwhelmed.

guillensdisciple
06-18-2010, 03:47 AM
Can't wait to see Viciedo mash up here. He will be the breath of fresh air we need.

doublem23
06-18-2010, 05:31 AM
Don't know whether Viciedo is ready, but Nix won't be missed.

It's one thing that Nix can't hit, but a backup utility infielder needs to play defense. Nix can't field, and that's probably why he's gone.

Yeah, this is AT WORST, a lateral move for the Sox. If Dayan can't hit or field, hey look, he's Jayson Nix 2.0.

34 Inch Stick
06-18-2010, 06:17 AM
Konerko to 3B
Viciedo to 1B
Zorich to LB

wassagstdu
06-18-2010, 06:40 AM
Two theories:

1. Showcasing Viciedo for a trade.

2. KW sticking a thumb in Ozzie's eye.

Ozzie, welcome your new starting center fielder.

harwar
06-18-2010, 06:55 AM
So he DH's 3 times a week. Plays 3B and 1B once a week, and knocks Kotsay to the bench where he belongs. Sounds good to me.

this is what i'm thinking also .. i'll be interested in seeing what happens when we go back to DH games .. i sure hope this guy does well .. we DO need a DH .. one way or another i bet KW will get us one ..

BadBobbyJenks
06-18-2010, 07:03 AM
Don't have the motivation to go through 10 pages, but are they going to be playing him at 3rd?

TheOldRoman
06-18-2010, 09:12 AM
Don't have the motivation to go through 10 pages, but are they going to be playing him at 3rd?Nobody knows, but Garfein seems to think he will see time there.

35th and Shields
06-18-2010, 09:15 AM
Nobody knows, but Garfein seems to think he will see time there.
I hope they just let him ease in to the DH role. He's obviously not ready to be a major league 3B but lets see what this kid can do with the stick. He could be just what we need in the middle of the order.

salty99
06-18-2010, 09:48 AM
Cora will fix him!

slavko
06-18-2010, 09:50 AM
They have paid Viciedo almost 6M so far and what was their return on that investment? Zero

Will he put people in the seats while playing in the minors? NO

Will he put people in the seats while playing for the Sox? Maybe

Don't be so naive to think that spending this kind of money with no return so far isn't a factor in the decision to bring him up.


Why?

doublem23
06-18-2010, 09:51 AM
I hope they just let him ease in to the DH role. He's obviously not ready to be a major league 3B but lets see what this kid can do with the stick. He could be just what we need in the middle of the order.

I didn't think he was going to see much more time at 3B. Everything I've read about him makes it sound like he's got the hands and reflexes to play the hot corner, but he's got the range of a parked car over there, which honestly, sounds a lot like our current 1B (who came up as a 3B, too, way back when in the late 90s).

stevemcstud
06-18-2010, 09:54 AM
I am fine with this move. Nix was doing nothing, Dayan brings some pop with his bat and has been hitting well in AAA.

I agree that I do not think he is ready for 3B, but what I dont agree with is that he is even possibly ready to field to 1B.

I mean how many times has Paulie had to dig the ball out for us, make great catches and what not. With our infield 1B is almost as hard as 3B if not harder.

But if he is primarily DH and spot starts at 1B and 3B I am totally up for this move.

35th and Shields
06-18-2010, 09:59 AM
I didn't think he was going to see much more time at 3B. Everything I've read about him makes it sound like he's got the hands and reflexes to play the hot corner, but he's got the range of a parked car over there, which honestly, sounds a lot like our current 1B (who came up as a 3B, too, way back when in the late 90s).
I agree. I think his future lies at 1B or the DH spot.

seventyseven
06-18-2010, 10:18 AM
I'm not sure Viciedo is ready, but I'm positive that Nix will never be.

dickallen15
06-18-2010, 10:25 AM
21 year olds need to play. I hope they are committed to giving this kid some playing time. If not, its a PR move to try to sell a few tickets.

Noneck
06-18-2010, 10:45 AM
Why?

It is a possibility that he does play well, which helps the team win, which puts fans in the seats.

kittle42
06-18-2010, 10:46 AM
21 year olds need to play. I hope they are committed to giving this kid some playing time. If not, its a PR move to try to sell a few tickets.

I really think those of us who actually know who Viciedo is are already going to the games.

Rdy2PlayBall
06-18-2010, 10:52 AM
I really think those of us who actually know who Viciedo is are already going to the games.I've only been to a couple... now I plan on going to a few more and paying the extra $15 to get closer to him in the lower levels. So there's one person showing up more often. :tongue:

WhiteSoxFTW
06-18-2010, 10:56 AM
Don't have the motivation to go through 10 pages, but are they going to be playing him at 3rd?

I was thinking that too, but I stuck it out and read it all anyway.

I'm not going to get too worked up over this. It's always been hard to guage KW's intentions. A trade coming up? Possibly. IF Dayan can play 3B (which we all doubt he can, and scouting says he can't) or if this leads to some sort of trade, it will move Teahen to a role in which he is destined for, a supersub.

Plus, I see the majority of people referring to him as Dayan, b/c they won't remember how to spell his last name. :tongue:

balke
06-18-2010, 10:57 AM
I see either Viciedo getting a trial run to be full time 3B and eventually a sub at 3B and 1B if things go well for the Sox.

That would open the door for Trading Kotsay and picking up Dye possibly.

If things don't go well for the Sox - this opens the door to trade PK.

soltrain21
06-18-2010, 10:59 AM
I've only been to a couple... now I plan on going to a few more and paying the extra $15 to get closer to him in the lower levels. So there's one person showing up more often. :tongue:

I wasn't aware we signed the Beatles.

GoSox2K3
06-18-2010, 11:22 AM
Sounds pretty wise to me. Viciedo will get embarrassed against Strasburg.

Viciedo has seen zero major league at bats, and has never seen someone as good as Strasburg. He's going to look like Pedro Cerrano against that curve.

Strasburg has faced the following teams this year (prior to facing the Pirates and Indians in the majors):
Gwinnet, Norfolk, Rochester, Scranton, Buffalo

He faced these teams a month ago. Did the managers of those AAA teams keep hitters away from Strasburg so that they wouldn't get embarrassed?

hi im skot
06-18-2010, 11:28 AM
I wasn't aware we signed the Beatles.

:rolling:

Hitmen77
06-18-2010, 11:28 AM
I wonder if Ozzie and Kenny were in agreement on this one???


Also, does anyone else fear another power struggle here? If Dayan is up, Kenny is going to want him playing 5 games a week, and that means Ozzie has to play a rookie over his beloveds in Vizquel and Kotsay (assuming he splits time at dh/3b). We have seen this story before, hopefully with a different ending this time. If Dayan hits, he will play.

It's all just an act for their reality show. They agreed to bring up Viciedo and fight over his role just for the cameras. :wink:

Rdy2PlayBall
06-18-2010, 11:38 AM
I wasn't aware we signed the Beatles.Last time I checked the Sox don't allow cheap seat 500 level people go down by the players and snag balls hit during batting practice. Sorry. :rolleyes:

PaleHoser
06-18-2010, 11:47 AM
I've never seen Viciedo play (not even spring training games), but could he be any worse than Nix was at 3B.

Any thoughts on whether this will have a positive influence on Alexei Ramirez? There have been many posts from some who think he's regressed. Perhaps it has something to do with the departure of Jose Contreras? Maybe this will be a good thing for him too?

dickallen15
06-18-2010, 11:53 AM
I've never seen Viciedo play (not even spring training games), but could he be any worse than Nix was at 3B.

Any thoughts on whether this will have a positive influence on Alexei Ramirez? There have been many posts from some who think he's regressed. Perhaps it has something to do with the departure of Jose Contreras? Maybe this will be a good thing for him too?

I read Viciedo is going to get time at 3b, which is interesting. Interesting because White Sox pitching got a whole lot better when Teahen went down and a guy who can actually field the position stepped in. Will Viciedo's lack of defensive prowess hurt the pitching staff? I think he'll spend the majority of his time DHing myself, and occassionally playing 1B when Paulie DHs, or they plan to trade someone soon.

cards press box
06-18-2010, 11:57 AM
What in the holy hell? God help us if he's not at DH.

Er what?

Hope he is DHing (eventually).

If Viciedo hits, he seems like a good candidate to be the primary DH the rest of this year.

They need a right-handed DH because Jones is on his way out, maybe?

I expect that will be the case in the long term but maybe in the short term, too.

I'm loving the speculation and wondering if a bigger trade is in the works right now.

I don't think a big trade is in the works but a small one may be. For example, the Pirates just DFA'd Akinori Iwamura. Perhaps the Sox swap Nix for Iwamura, if the Bucs pay some Iwamura's remaining salary this year. Iwamura hit only .182 for the Bucs but Nix was even worse, hitting only .163 for the Sox. Iwamura does have a good history in the AL, would give the Sox another lefty bat and can play 2B and 3B. It would be a classic "change of scenery" trade.

DonnieDarko
06-18-2010, 12:07 PM
Any thoughts on whether this will have a positive influence on Alexei Ramirez? There have been many posts from some who think he's regressed. Perhaps it has something to do with the departure of Jose Contreras? Maybe this will be a good thing for him too?

Alexei Ramirez regressed? What? I haven't seen that at all. If anything, I think he's gotten better since his first year here.

BadBobbyJenks
06-18-2010, 12:33 PM
Alexei Ramirez regressed? What? I haven't seen that at all. If anything, I think he's gotten better since his first year here.

:?:

Red Barchetta
06-18-2010, 12:45 PM
I had thought Viciedo was playing more 1B these days. If so, I would rather have him eventually split time with Paulie and DH. I would like to see us keep Paulie and let him finish his career as DH if possible, however I understand the business of baseball and him and Alex Rios are probably are two prime trade bait contenders.

Never a big fan of Nix except a few weeks ago at the Sunday Tampa Bay game I attended. I was a big fan for about 5 minutes! :wink:

SI1020
06-18-2010, 12:54 PM
If Viciedo hits, he seems like a good candidate to be the primary DH the rest of this year.



I expect that will be the case in the long term but maybe in the short term, too.



I don't think a big trade is in the works but a small one may be. For example, the Pirates just DFA'd Akinori Iwamura. Perhaps the Sox swap Nix for Iwamura, if the Bucs pay some Iwamura's remaining salary this year. Iwamura hit only .182 for the Bucs but Nix was even worse, hitting only .163 for the Sox. Iwamura does have a good history in the AL, would give the Sox another lefty bat and can play 2B and 3B. It would be a classic "change of scenery" trade. Stay away from Iwamura. He was injured in 08 Spring Training and May 22, 2009 attempting to turn double plays. His mobility now is severely curtailed and his performance has greatly suffered in the field and at the plate.

hi im skot
06-18-2010, 01:03 PM
Last time I checked the Sox don't allow cheap seat 500 level people go down by the players and snag balls hit during batting practice. Sorry. :rolleyes:

Get an elevator pass. :rolleyes:

DonnieDarko
06-18-2010, 01:04 PM
:?:

You think otherwise?

soltrain21
06-18-2010, 01:05 PM
Last time I checked the Sox don't allow cheap seat 500 level people go down by the players and snag balls hit during batting practice. Sorry. :rolleyes:

I was making light of your "so I can get close to him" comment. No need to get cranky. Bieber will be back to throw out the first pitch soon enough.

BadBobbyJenks
06-18-2010, 01:08 PM
You think otherwise?

I dont see one piece of evidence that he has gotten better.

hi im skot
06-18-2010, 01:11 PM
I dont see one piece of evidence that he has gotten better.

Agreed.

kufram
06-18-2010, 01:13 PM
I dont see one piece of evidence that he has gotten better.

You only need look at TCM's throws to first to see a remarkable improvement. His footwork is improved to prepare him for the throw, probably thanks to Omar, and PK isn't digging them all out of the dirt. A pretty important part of playing SS don't you think?

hi im skot
06-18-2010, 01:16 PM
You only need look at TCM's throws to first to see a remarkable improvement. His footwork is improved to prepare him for the throw, probably thanks to Omar, and PK isn't digging them all out of the dirt. A pretty important part of playing SS don't you think?

If only he didn't play with his head up his ass on a regular basis.

His throws have improved, yes, but I still think he has less baseball smarts than anyone else on the field.

35th and Shields
06-18-2010, 01:24 PM
If only he didn't play with his head up his ass on a regular basis.

His throws have improved, yes, but I still think he has less baseball smarts than anyone else on the field.
Not to mention his best year at the plate was his rookie year.

kufram
06-18-2010, 01:24 PM
If only he didn't play with his head up his ass on a regular basis.

His throws have improved, yes, but I still think he has less baseball smarts than anyone else on the field.

Well, only one piece of evidence was requested. I think Alexei is a little vacant sometimes, obviously, and that needs to improve, but that also CAN improve. But he is an instinctive player not a schooled player and I think we could do a lot worse.... especially for the money. His hitting (ahem... after about June admittedly) is easily worth the money. IF we get back into this race I'll bet he plays a big part. I also think he is a big game player and we haven't had any of those lately.

slavko
06-18-2010, 01:38 PM
It is a possibility that he does play well, which helps the team win, which puts fans in the seats.

Good answer, exactly what I hoped for. So there's a possibility that this promotion is actually based on skill level and that he has more skills than anyone else at the minor league level in our vast array of MLB-ready prospects. Certainly more skills than the failed Nix. Or is there someone else you think should be brought up but isn't because he's being paid next to nothing? Like who?

We're out the $16 million if he can't play. We're out the $16 million if he can play. What's the difference where he is from a dollars angle? I'm not going to a game to see if he can or can't play.

WhiteSoxFTW
06-18-2010, 02:11 PM
Alexei Ramirez regressed? What? I haven't seen that at all. If anything, I think he's gotten better since his first year here.
:scratch: I think if anything, he has shown that he has terrible baseball IQ (Steve Stone even said that.) He can't lay down a proper squeeze bunt. He still looks outmatched against anyone with good breaking pitches, and he doesn't starting hitting until late-May.

He has gotten better at SS from last year to this year, though.

Rdy2PlayBall
06-18-2010, 02:29 PM
I was making light of your "so I can get close to him" comment. No need to get cranky. Bieber will be back to throw out the first pitch soon enough.":rolleyes:" does not equal cranky with me. I don't get why some people here take it closer to ":angry:" than ":tongue:" ... Oh well.
But yea, I want 1st row seats to get close enough to Bieber. :redneck <- teal face

GoGoCrede
06-18-2010, 02:59 PM
I really think those of us who actually know who Viciedo is are already going to the games.

I wasn't planning on going to any more games this month, but I'm definitely interested in seeing him play at home for the first time, so that's one ticket he's sold. :smile:

Noneck
06-18-2010, 03:16 PM
Good answer, exactly what I hoped for. So there's a possibility that this promotion is actually based on skill level and that he has more skills than anyone else at the minor league level in our vast array of MLB-ready prospects. Certainly more skills than the failed Nix. Or is there someone else you think should be brought up but isn't because he's being paid next to nothing? Like who?

We're out the $16 million if he can't play. We're out the $16 million if he can play. What's the difference where he is from a dollars angle? I'm not going to a game to see if he can or can't play.

I never said this was a promotion, thats your term , not mine. I said it was trying to get a return on investment.

BTW: If I was the owner who threw this money at this kid, he would have started the season with the club over Nix.

white sox bill
06-18-2010, 04:00 PM
So its still up in the air as to whether Nix will ever be a Sox again right? Then we can have the good bye Jayson thread. Thanks for the memories. Not good memories, but memories.

Baron
06-18-2010, 04:10 PM
Just got the tweet Dayan will be starting at 3B saturday

Baron
06-18-2010, 04:11 PM
So its still up in the air as to whether Nix will ever be a Sox again right? Then we can have the good bye Jayson thread. Thanks for the memories. Not good memories, but memories.

If he clears waivers I think he will go to AAA Charlotte.Again for anyone that didnt see it Dayan will start at 3B Saturday.

slavko
06-18-2010, 04:47 PM
I never said this was a promotion, thats your term , not mine. I said it was trying to get a return on investment.

BTW: If I was the owner who threw this money at this kid, he would have started the season with the club over Nix.

So being called up is not a promotion because you read someone's mind?

soltrain21
06-18-2010, 04:50 PM
I never said this was a promotion, thats your term , not mine. I said it was trying to get a return on investment.

BTW: If I was the owner who threw this money at this kid, he would have started the season with the club over Nix.

How is it not a promotion?

kittle42
06-18-2010, 06:25 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100618&content_id=11318758&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws&partnerId=rss_cws

Noneck
06-18-2010, 08:51 PM
How is it not a promotion?

That depends on the definition used. It appeared to me that the word promotion was used as a way to devise a means to publicize this event.

If used to show advancement, I agree.

canOcorn
06-18-2010, 11:19 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100618&content_id=11318758&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws&partnerId=rss_cws


Good gravy. This proves Ozzie doesn't give a flying **** about defense (not that we needed any additional evidence). Viciedo is a complete butcher at 3B. He cannot bend at the waist, post your own rimshot, and has zero lateral movement. Nix should've been kept until Teahen came back and then Kotsay dropped. I understand if Viciedo gets a steady diet of breaking balls he's not going to hit anything, but let's hope every other teams advance scouting is as bad as ours.

My bottom line, play him at DH and he does no worse than the horse**** that has played that spot all year. Put him in the field and his impact will be worse than the horse**** we've put out there all year.

Tragg
06-19-2010, 12:10 AM
Isn't our resurgence fairly closely tied calendar-wise to when Vizquel was inserted at 3B after Teahan's injury?

voodoochile
06-19-2010, 12:11 AM
Isn't our resurgence fairly closely tied calendar-wise to when Vizquel was inserted at 3B after Teahan's injury?

Correlation does not equal causation...

DonnieDarko
06-19-2010, 12:43 AM
:scratch: I think if anything, he has shown that he has terrible baseball IQ (Steve Stone even said that.) He can't lay down a proper squeeze bunt. He still looks outmatched against anyone with good breaking pitches, and he doesn't starting hitting until late-May.

He has gotten better at SS from last year to this year, though.

That's mostly what I meant: that he had gotten better defensively over the three years he's been here. My apologies for it being construed as anything else.

Offensively, he's kinda been the same: atrociously slow starter, but heats it up in the middle and end of the year. This year he's not "heating it up" at least, but at least he's hitting above the Mendoza line, I suppose...

mzh
06-19-2010, 01:09 AM
Isn't our resurgence fairly closely tied calendar-wise to when Vizquel was inserted at 3B after Teahan's injury?
I think it has more to do with the fact that our starting pitching has had an ERA under or not far above two in the last 2 weeks. Our pitching has showed up like it was supposed to and we've won mediocre offensive performances in which we've scored 2-5 runs per game.

QCIASOXFAN
06-19-2010, 04:11 AM
I think it has more to do with the fact that our starting pitching has had an ERA under or not far above two in the last 2 weeks. Our pitching has showed up like it was supposed to and we've won mediocre offensive performances in which we've scored 2-5 runs per game.
That's exactly what's going on.

dickallen15
06-19-2010, 06:58 AM
I think it has more to do with the fact that our starting pitching has had an ERA under or not far above two in the last 2 weeks. Our pitching has showed up like it was supposed to and we've won mediocre offensive performances in which we've scored 2-5 runs per game.

Which coincides with Teahen going down and the White Sox defense improving as a result. I'm not a big Vizquel guy, especially his offense when playing 3B, but there is no denying the effect his playing there has had on the pitching staff. There is no reason to have him ride pine at least until this run stops. I hope Viciedo gets most of his time at DH.

DickAllen72
06-19-2010, 08:11 AM
Which coincides with Teahen going down and the White Sox defense improving as a result. I'm not a big Vizquel guy, especially his offense when playing 3B, but there is no denying the effect his playing there has had on the pitching staff. There is no reason to have him ride pine at least until this run stops. I hope Viciedo gets most of his time at DH.
I agree with this.

WSox597
06-19-2010, 08:45 AM
Dayan will not play tomorrow.

Ozzie says he'll "pick his spots" to play him.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/sox-call-up-21-year-old-viciedo-dfa-nix.html

In that case, look for him in center field. :D:

hawkjt
06-19-2010, 10:01 AM
Viciedo is starting today at third base. Strap it down,Sox fans,and hope for the best.

I note that Ozzie said last nite when he announced that Dyan is starting;
'' I trust Kenny and I trust Buddy Bell. I have trusted them for 7 years. Kenny is not going to bring up a player if he cannot help us. If he brings him up,I am going to play him''

Now, a cynic might say that Ozzie is throwing Viciedo in there and saying that it is Kenny and Buddy's call, so be it.

But, I am hoping that Ozzie is being 100% honest and does have faith in Kenny and Buddy and that his faith is validated by Viciedo's play.

In the Trib,Gonzoles also said that Viciedo is in the best shape since signing his deal with the Sox ...so maybe they are tapping him at the exact right time...I am an optimist,always.

voodoochile
06-19-2010, 10:14 AM
I agree with this.

Didn't Nix start at least three of those games?

Edit: I seem to recall that Omar was out of town this past weekend...

Jurr
06-19-2010, 10:29 AM
I got some really good up close looks at Nix this week at PNC. Totally down on himself and was really "in between". I am really surprised by how far he's fallen. Of that young group of infielders we had (Nix, Getz, Lillebridge), I thought he was the best. Yikes.

DickAllen72
06-19-2010, 10:37 AM
Didn't Nix start at least three of those games?


But Teahen didn't play in any of them...

voodoochile
06-19-2010, 10:39 AM
But Teahan didn't play in any of them...

Ah so it's not the mighty Omar that is the difference, but the lack of Teahen...

dickallen15
06-19-2010, 11:08 AM
Ah so it's not the mighty Omar that is the difference, but the lack of Teahen...

Nix wasn't exactly Brooks Robinson at 3B, but I do believe if you were able to get the truth out of White Sox pitchers, they like Nix at 3B a whole lot more than Teahen and like Omar there even more.

Look, I was against them signing Omar, and I still think his offense is far short of what a thirdbasmen's should be. But he is a guy that I think makes Ramirez better at SS when he's in there. It could be coincidental. It could be the Sox are playing some weak teams, but bad defense kills good pitching. The pitching is far better than it was was Teahen was playing. Any way you slice it, Mark Teahen is a bad defensive 3B. I'm sure he's a great guy and I don't want to bury him, but losing him was a blessing and its showing in wins.

voodoochile
06-19-2010, 11:38 AM
Nix wasn't exactly Brooks Robinson at 3B, but I do believe if you were able to get the truth out of White Sox pitchers, they like Nix at 3B a whole lot more than Teahen and like Omar there even more.

Look, I was against them signing Omar, and I still think his offense is far short of what a thirdbasmen's should be. But he is a guy that I think makes Ramirez better at SS when he's in there. It could be coincidental. It could be the Sox are playing some weak teams, but bad defense kills good pitching. The pitching is far better than it was was Teahen was playing. Any way you slice it, Mark Teahen is a bad defensive 3B. I'm sure he's a great guy and I don't want to bury him, but losing him was a blessing and its showing in wins.

I don't think the change is nearly as important as people say. I think it's got a lot more to do with the pitching improving, the bats starting to hit more consistently and the level of competition the Sox are facing.

I'm not against Omar being the full time 3B, Teahen hasn't done enough to earn a pass from me, but I think there are a whole bunch of other things that are more important to the team's success.

sox1970
06-19-2010, 12:04 PM
Paulie gets a day off, and what does Ozzie do? Keeps Viciedo on the bench, and starts Kotsay and bats him 3rd. What the ****???

Tragg
06-19-2010, 07:20 PM
I think it has more to do with the fact that our starting pitching has had an ERA under or not far above two in the last 2 weeks. Our pitching has showed up like it was supposed to and we've won mediocre offensive performances in which we've scored 2-5 runs per game.

And defense helps the starting pitching.
I don't like Omar at 3b, but I dislike bad defense at 3B even more.

I like calling up Viciedo.
We need a bat. Let's see if he can furnish it.
We don't need to start trading for bats right now, because we are not really sure we are in this race and we really need to get more young talent in here.

On another note was it not at least a little surprising that they DFAd Nix and not Lillibridge?

SoxSpeed22
06-19-2010, 07:24 PM
At least Lillibridge can catch the ball and field multiple positions. Nix brought nothing to the table.

cws05champ
06-19-2010, 07:25 PM
Paulie gets a day off, and what does Ozzie do? Keeps Viciedo on the bench, and starts Kotsay and bats him 3rd. What the ****???
Well, Viciedo just kills Left handers...I can see why they held him out to face Lannan on Sunday. We needed all the defense we could today.