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soxinem1
06-13-2010, 10:29 PM
A well-pitched, well-played game on both sides.

Viva Medias B's
06-13-2010, 10:30 PM
That game was there for the taking, and we blew it.

tdwiek
06-13-2010, 10:30 PM
A well-pitched, well-played game on both sides.

I can't believe we fail to get one run aboard with runners on 2nd and 3rd with NO OUTS!! Oh wait, it's the 2010 White Sox, yes I can believe it!!

Sockinchisox
06-13-2010, 10:30 PM
2nd and 3rd and nobody out and you can't score.

Typical.

soxfanreggie
06-13-2010, 10:30 PM
A well-pitched, well-played game on both sides.

I don't really consider that ineptitude in the 9th as "well-played".

KnightSox
06-13-2010, 10:30 PM
It was a fun game.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:30 PM
And Gavin gets the loss. Abomination.

october23sp
06-13-2010, 10:30 PM
Quentin sucks, leave town please you pop up machine.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 10:30 PM
My god, that song is ****ing awful.

cleanwsox
06-13-2010, 10:30 PM
2nd and 3rd and nobody out and you can't score.

Typical.

Anybody really shocked?

BadBobbyJenks
06-13-2010, 10:31 PM
Marmol just handed us the game and we did our typical bull**** with runners on third.

ShoelessJoeS
06-13-2010, 10:31 PM
2nd and 3rd with nobody out... ZIP

arKnaD7
06-13-2010, 10:31 PM
I get my hopes up and this happens :whiner:

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 10:31 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Quentin is useless?

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 10:31 PM
Quentin sucks, leave town please you pop up machine.

I'm sick of him. He can play in Charlotte now for all I care. Honest to God, you have runners on second and third with NO ONE out and you can't score?! Ugh.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:31 PM
Well, we won the series, and for my money, that was the most exciting game all year.

october23sp
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
I had faith in Paulie, I wouldn't say he choked, Quentin did, he is awful.

Boondock Saint
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
Raging, burning, white-hot anger.

That's about all I can say.

russ99
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
Quentin has got to go. He's completely useless unless he hits a homer.

spongyfungy
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
silver lining : Gavin Floyd. Even if it was just the cubs offense.

soxinem1
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
My god, that song is ****ing awful.

Soxinem1, Jr. just said the same thing!!

That song blows!!:angry:

Streets
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
Ramirez sucks... I'm beyond fed up with him.

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
**** this team.

**** them all.

Lily had no business even having a no hitter. He was so hittable today.


**** them :angry:

harwar
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
Gavin was awesome .. nerve-wracking game .. we won the series .. now get on over to pittsburg and win another one

whitesox4eva
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
This whole week has been absolutely nuts. Even though the sox lost I can't be pissed at them. Floyd was great, Lily and Marmol were better. We won this 3-game series, and just got off a 4-game winning streak. That was rough though in the 9th inning. Exciting as hell this game was.

Viva Medias B's
06-13-2010, 10:32 PM
Trade TCQ.

Domeshot17
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Its just sickening, your starting pitcher gives you 8 great innings in a game to turn around your entire season, a must win to climb back into the race, and you put up 1 hit and no runs, don't execute, don't get the run home.

This is the team Ozzie wanted, the 25 man roster Ozzie wanted, it was suppose to be this awesome run producing machine......well, its now time to replace the team Ozzie wanted with a team capable of winning.

Quentin and Gordon just need to go to triple A for a while until they can produce like big leaguers.

Frankfan4life
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Why, oh, why can't we hit with runners in scoring position??? We could have won the game. Well, at least we made the cubsfans sweat. But with the Twins losing today, we could have gained a game.

Consolation prize: we took the series and broke up a potential no-hitter.

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Anybody really shocked?

Well, once Alexei struck out and they walked Rios I figured we were in trouble. Once Paulie grounded out our only hope was for Quentin to walk or get hit by a pitch. He sure as hell wasn't going to get a hit.

veeter
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
I had faith in Paulie, I wouldn't say he choked, Quentin did, he is awful.Don't forget the Cuban *******, who sucked too.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
On the bright side, Gavin has been worlds better. Too bad most people will be talking about Lilly tomorrow (with good reason, but still).

tdwiek
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
silver lining : Gavin Floyd. Even if it was just the cubs offense.

I don't know about you guys, but I am so glad Pierre got that hit. A no-hitter would have had the Flub fans bragging for ages, even if we do win the series!!

VMSNS
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Gavin pitched a great game.

The Sox choked big time in the 9th. Runners on 2nd and 3rd no outs. That all stemmed from Alexei's piss-poor at bat. The kid just looks completely lost at the plate.

Terrible loss. The Cubs basically handed us a win and we blew it. Sox should be ashamed of themselves.

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Ramirez sucks... I'm beyond fed up with him.


Yeah, you have to but the ****ing bat on the ball in that situation. He's a hack. Should no be hitting 2nd anyway.

Man never thought I would miss Juan Uribe so much as I do today. I though Uribe sucked too but he is light years better than this hack.

ShoelessJoeS
06-13-2010, 10:34 PM
I had faith in Paulie, I wouldn't say he choked, Quentin did, he is awful.All three of Alexei, Paulie, and Quentin had pretty poor at bats I'd say. Marmol wasn't exactly throwing strikes, and they were chasing.

SoxandtheCityTee
06-13-2010, 10:34 PM
I wonder if Rios gets the IBB if there'd been no balk and thus no open first base. I really wanted to see him hit.

Oh well. We take the series.

soxinem1
06-13-2010, 10:34 PM
Quentin has got to go. He's completely useless unless he hits a homer.

Hate to say it, but it is time he hits the pine. I have absolutely zero confidence in him when he comes up to hit.

Quentin looked better when he was hurt last year.

The Immigrant
06-13-2010, 10:34 PM
Don't forget the Cuban *******, who sucked too.

He looked absolutely clueless at the plate.

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 10:34 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I am so glad Pierre got that hit. A no-hitter would have had the Flub fans bragging for ages, even if we do win the series!!

If the emberassment of a No Hitter would have put Walker's head on a platter, then I would have wished for it.

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 10:34 PM
This whole week has been absolutely nuts. Even though the sox lost I can't be pissed at them. Floyd was great, Lily and Marmol were better. We won this 3-game series, and just got off a 4-game winning streak. That was rough though in the 9th inning. Exciting as hell this game was.

Marmol was awful. Any other team in the league takes the lead there. Alexei's impatience and Quentin's general suckitude doomed this team.

Rdy2PlayBall
06-13-2010, 10:35 PM
That should have been a win for us. The Cubs have NOTHING to brag about. At least we gave it a fight, and Lou Piniella is the greatest manager in baseball again I'm sure. I yelled even louder when Quentin **** his pants than when Pierre got the hit. Why does Quentin always pop out weakly to an infielder or short outfield? Pathetic execution... especially by Konerko and Ramirez.

Good news, this loss makes me even more optimistic about our season because the pitching has been SPECTACULAR and the offense wont get 1-hit again...

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 10:35 PM
All three of Alexei, Paulie, and Quentin had pretty poor at bats I'd say. Marmol wasn't exactly throwing strikes, and they were chasing.

I will never understand why batters chase that ****ing slider 5 ****ing feet off the plate including Konerko.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 10:36 PM
I'm sick of him. He can play in Charlotte now for all I care. Honest to God, you have runners on second and third with NO ONE out and you can't score?! Ugh.

Ramirez and Konerko didn't exactly do us any favors, either.

:shrug:

tdwiek
06-13-2010, 10:36 PM
If the emberassment of a No Hitter would have put Walker's head on a platter, then I would have wished for it.

For whatever reason, Walker seems bullet-proof!!

Tragg
06-13-2010, 10:36 PM
So much for "moving runners up".
We know the team can't hit for ****....but they can't even do the one thing that they're supposed to be able to do -move runners over.

PhillipsBubba
06-13-2010, 10:37 PM
That's what I call a pathetic performance of clutch hitting. We just saw a prime example of why this team should be broken up right now.

I'll give konerko a pass in that ninth inning but Ramierez and Quentin are clueless.

Sox fans, you just enjoyed their longest wininng streak of the year and the closest they will ever be to the Twins.

Makes me sick!:angry:

ndgt10
06-13-2010, 10:37 PM
I could not have been the only one that knew Alexei was going to K...or was I?

veeter
06-13-2010, 10:37 PM
Carlos doesn't have the same swing plane he had two years ago. There is a huge flaw in his swing.

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 10:37 PM
Ramirez and Konerko didn't exactly do us any favors, either.

:shrug:

Ramirez can go to, paulie is a run producer as we all know, quentin just plain sucks. I mean really how many pop ups can you hit in a year.

TommyJohn
06-13-2010, 10:37 PM
I came into this thread thinking everyone would be talking about winning two out of three, and the suspenseful 9th inning, and the positive of Gavin Floyd. Silly me.

Boondock Saint
06-13-2010, 10:37 PM
I'll say it right now, I will be shocked if this team doesn't get no-hit at some point this season.

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 10:37 PM
Ramirez and Konerko didn't exactly do us any favors, either.

:shrug:


Yeah but those two have actually been productive lately.

Quentin is a complete bag of hot air.

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 10:38 PM
Alexei is my least favorite player the Sox have ever had.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 10:38 PM
Ramirez can go to, paulie is a run producer as we all know, quentin just plain sucks. I mean really how many pop ups can you hit in a year.

Go to...where? YOU'RE LEAVING ME HANGING.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:38 PM
Alexei is my least favorite player the Sox have ever had.

What about "Dirty 30?"

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 10:38 PM
Ramirez and Konerko didn't exactly do us any favors, either.

:shrug:

It's hard to fault Konerko when he is hitting the way he is. Alexei was just lost. I blame him too, but at least he has been hitting better, Quentin it's the same act night in and night out with the occasional miserable play in RF to boot.

Domeshot17
06-13-2010, 10:38 PM
We keep forgetting too, the whole inning was set up by a GIFT balk. Seriously, does anyone have any confidence Alexei, even with his immense fundamental training the coaching staff put everyone through in spring training, would have gotten the bunt down?

doublem23
06-13-2010, 10:38 PM
Marmol hands us, at VERY LEAST, extra innings on a platter.

Pathetic.

TommyJohn
06-13-2010, 10:38 PM
That's what I call a pathetic performance of clutch hitting. We just saw a prime example of why this team should be broken up right now.

I'll give konerko a pass in that ninth inning but Ramierez and Quentin are clueless.

Sox fans, you just enjoyed their longest wininng streak of the year and the closest they will ever be to the Twins.

Makes me sick!:angry:I LOVE statements like this. Seriously, how the **** do you know? Are you clairvoyant?

BadBobbyJenks
06-13-2010, 10:38 PM
Alexei is my least favorite player the Sox have ever had.

Don't worry he is still young!

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 10:39 PM
I came into this thread thinking everyone would be talking about winning two out of three, and the suspenseful 9th inning, and the positive of Gavin Floyd. Silly me.


Why?

Look at the ****ing standings, we still suck.

This win would have been huge for momentum and trying to get to .500 this month. 2 of 3 is not going to cut it against teams as bad as you.

veeter
06-13-2010, 10:39 PM
I went from so happy Juan broke the thing up, to hey we can tie this up, to hey, we can win this to, ah ****!

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 10:39 PM
What about "Dirty 30?"

Beats him easily. He is so baseball stupid.

cheezheadsoxfan
06-13-2010, 10:39 PM
I think I am the most upset about Gavin getting screwed out of a well-deserved win. We did take the series and the worst (no-hitter) didn't happen. I would have been under the bed for a week.

Rdy2PlayBall
06-13-2010, 10:40 PM
Your just more angry at him because he didn't get a hit.... I'd be even more angry at someone for not even being able to hit a pop up to an outfielder. I guess that happens when we express our emotions through our short-term memory... It's not Quentins fault, even though his "suckitude" is at an all time high. Alexei and PK blew the chance to tie the game by chacing crappy pitches.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:40 PM
I came into this thread thinking everyone would be talking about winning two out of three, and the suspenseful 9th inning, and the positive of Gavin Floyd. Silly me.

Hey, I posted as much several pages ago! It was still a frustrating 9th after Pierre, no matter which way you slice it.

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 10:40 PM
Go to...where? YOU'RE LEAVING ME HANGING.

I don't mean that I'm just pissed right now. But Quentin can absolutely go, I don't give a **** where. I'd rather that had of been Jordan Danks instead of Quentin.

veeter
06-13-2010, 10:40 PM
I LOVE statements like this. Seriously, how the **** do you know? Are you clairvoyant?Exactly because the Twins are running away with the division.

ShoelessJoeS
06-13-2010, 10:41 PM
Alexei is my least favorite player the Sox have ever had.Goggles?

DirtySox
06-13-2010, 10:41 PM
Ah yes, this is the Sox team that we all know and love. Hopefully the front office isn't buying into the hype that this team is even close to contending in the division.

It's quite a shame that it seems the White Sox won't be trading AJ tonight.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 10:41 PM
I don't mean that I'm just pissed right now. But Quentin can absolutely go, I don't give a **** where. I'd rather that had of been Jordan Danks instead of Quentin.
Who would want Quentin, though?

Boondock Saint
06-13-2010, 10:41 PM
I came into this thread thinking everyone would be talking about winning two out of three, and the suspenseful 9th inning, and the positive of Gavin Floyd. Silly me.

1) Gavin was great. I hope he can keep that kind of effort going into the future.

2) Taking two of three from the Cubs means absolutely squat. Three of three was there for the taking, and any team that plays baseball at a level that even resembles something professional wins that game. It's just more of the same from this team. You can celebrate it if you want, but I'm not one for celebrating moral victories.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 10:42 PM
It's hard to fault Konerko when he is hitting the way he is. Alexei was just lost. I blame him too, but at least he has been hitting better, Quentin it's the same act night in and night out with the occasional miserable play in RF to boot.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, by the way. Quentin has been a giant disappointment this year. However (and this is not directed at you), I hate to hear people refer to Quentin as a one-year wonder. Folks seem to forget that he was hitting well before he went down last May.

He's a headcase, but I think (hope) that his talent will ultimately outweigh that.

Frankfan4life
06-13-2010, 10:42 PM
All three of Alexei, Paulie, and Quentin had pretty poor at bats I'd say. Marmol wasn't exactly throwing strikes, and they were chasing.Ozzie should have called for a squeeze bunt with runners on second and third and nobody out. Why have your batters swinging away like crazy when they haven't hit anything all day????

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 10:42 PM
What does Quentin bring to this team? Anything?

johnnyg83
06-13-2010, 10:42 PM
Alexei is my least favorite player the Sox have ever had.

Please.

Did you say that his rookie year when he hit four Grand Slams?

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:42 PM
1) Gavin was great. I hope he can keep that kind of effort going into the future.

2) Taking two of three from the Cubs means absolutely squat. Three of three was there for the taking, and any team that plays baseball at a level that even resembles something professional wins that game. It's just more of the same from this team. You can celebrate it if you want, but I'm not one for celebrating moral victories.

2/3 isn't a moral victory, it's a straight-up victory, IMO.

russ99
06-13-2010, 10:43 PM
Waiting for the obligatory post how Ozzie blew the game by keeping Gavin in after Soriano's double...

Noneck
06-13-2010, 10:43 PM
Quentin didnt even want to hit with 2 outs in the 9th. He was waving Jones to come home with a ball in the dirt that did not go far enough for Jones to score. But at least that would have taken him off the hook.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 10:43 PM
I don't mean that I'm just pissed right now. But Quentin can absolutely go, I don't give a **** where. I'd rather that had of been Jordan Danks instead of Quentin.

Nevermind.

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 10:43 PM
Please.

Did you say that his rookie year when he hit four Grand Slams?

I've never liked him. Sorry for having a different least favorite Sox player than you do.

veeter
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
Alexei is my least favorite player the Sox have ever had.I can't stand him either, but he's not even close to Rick White or Linebrink.

cheezheadsoxfan
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
If the emberassment of a No Hitter would have put Walker's head on a platter, then I would have wished for it.
But I really doubt it would have made any difference.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
I've never liked him. Sorry for having a different least favorite Sox player than you do.

Not allowed, according to the by-laws. Turn in your fan card and leave. Bye bye now. :smile:

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
Please.

Did you say that his rookie year when he hit four Grand Slams?

He didn't play with his head up his ass that season. Since then, he's gotten extremely lazy. I, too, question his baseball smarts.

Domeshot17
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
also, why the **** was lillibridge not running for jones? He scores on the wild pitch

ShoelessJoeS
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
Ozzie should have called for a squeeze bunt with runners on second and third and nobody out. Why have your batters swinging away like crazy when they haven't hit anything all day????If I can remember correctly, I believe Miller had said the Cubs were playing with the infield in.

Whether or not Alexei would have even been able to get a bunt down is another question.

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
Exactly because the Twins are running away with the division.


I think we keep holding on to this way too long in saying the opposition is not running away with things when in fact the Twins have owned us in this Division for a very long time now.


I think we should leave our errogance out of this going forward. It makes us look a very dumbass fanbase.

Rdy2PlayBall
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
The sad part about all of this is that we will now hear about how Lou Piniella is the greatest manager Chicago has ever had again... Nothing about their win has to do with walking Rios, the Sox just crapped their pants in a great situation.

The Immigrant
06-13-2010, 10:44 PM
Ozzie should have called for a squeeze bunt with runners on second and third and nobody out. Why have your batters swinging away like crazy when they haven't hit anything all day????

Really, with Ramirez batting? Have you seen him try to lay down a bunt?

Brian26
06-13-2010, 10:45 PM
I can't stand him either, but he's not even close to Rick White or Linebrink.

I swear to God I was just going to post that Alexei's no Rick White.
:rolling:

thomas35forever
06-13-2010, 10:45 PM
Nearly being no-hit better wake up some folks in the front office and make them realize it'll become a reality if we stick with these players for too long. That was too close for comfort and after we broke it up, we still couldn't push any runs across.

And to all of our "honored" guests, kindly go **** yourselves. Your team isn't any better than ours.

LongLiveFisk
06-13-2010, 10:45 PM
The Sox looked like such crap at the plate that I'm just glad a no-hitter was avoided. :mad:

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 10:45 PM
I wasn't disagreeing with you, by the way. Quentin has been a giant disappointment this year. However (and this is not directed at you), I hate to hear people refer to Quentin as a one-year wonder. Folks seem to forget that he was hitting well before he went down last May.

He's a headcase, but I think (hope) that his talent will ultimately outweigh that.

He had an OK April, but then he fell off the face of the earth and never recovered.

cheezheadsoxfan
06-13-2010, 10:45 PM
I came into this thread thinking everyone would be talking about winning two out of three, and the suspenseful 9th inning, and the positive of Gavin Floyd. Silly me.
Good reality check, thank you!

veeter
06-13-2010, 10:45 PM
If I can remember correctly, I believe Miller had said the Cubs were playing with the infield in.

Whether or not Alexei would have even been able to get a bunt down is another question.Thye were but then they moved everyone back.

Brian26
06-13-2010, 10:45 PM
also, why the **** was lillibridge not running for jones? He scores on the wild pitch

Nobody scores on that WP.

The Immigrant
06-13-2010, 10:46 PM
also, why the **** was lillibridge not running for jones? He scores on the wild pitch

Not a chance. I know folks are emotional right now, but let's not get silly. That ball bounced right up the third base line.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:46 PM
And to all of our "honored" guests, kindly go **** yourselves. Your team isn't any better than ours.


To quote Brian from the gamethread, Cubs just won the World Series!

Boondock Saint
06-13-2010, 10:46 PM
2/3 isn't a moral victory, it's a straight-up victory, IMO.

The Cubs are a garbage baseball team. If this team wants to claim that they're better than their record, they have to play better than the garbage teams. I remember when in 2006, we would get pissed off when we didn't sweep the Royals. Now, we're celebrating 2 of 3 from the Cubs like it means something.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 10:47 PM
The sad part about all of this is that we will now hear about how Lou Piniella is the greatest manager Chicago has ever had again... Nothing about their win has to do with walking Rios, the Sox just crapped their pants in a great situation.

That's the saddest part? Seriously?

The saddest part is that the Sox failed to capitalize on opportunities again.

Also, I guarantee no one is going to be throwing around hyperboles like that about Piniella, so you can sleep soundly tonight.

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 10:47 PM
Who would want Quentin, though?

He's only signed for this year right? Send him to the minors with beckham.

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 10:47 PM
also, why the **** was lillibridge not running for jones? He scores on the wild pitch

No he doesn't. No one scores on that unless there is a squeeze play on.

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 10:47 PM
Ozzie should have called for a squeeze bunt with runners on second and third and nobody out. Why have your batters swinging away like crazy when they haven't hit anything all day????

Really?

You expect Ramirez to get the bunt down in fair play?

Come on, Marmol could have thrown beach balls up to him and his hacking ass would still not have made any contact.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 10:47 PM
To quote Brian from the gamethread, Cubs just won the World Series!
I had 8 text messages on my phone after the game letting me know the Cubs won today.

I love my friends!

DickAllen72
06-13-2010, 10:48 PM
Quentin sucks, leave town please you pop up machine.
Quentin and Beckham have been killing the Sox this year.

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 10:48 PM
Thye were but then they moved everyone back.

The corners stayed in. That was a piss poor at bat by Alexei.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:49 PM
The sad part about all of this is that we will now hear about how Lou Piniella is the greatest manager Chicago has ever had again... Nothing about their win has to do with walking Rios, the Sox just crapped their pants in a great situation.

No, the sad part is that Gavin was robbed of the win. Who cares about Piniella?

veeter
06-13-2010, 10:49 PM
The corners stayed in. That was a piss poor at bat by Alexei.I think just standing with the bat on their shoulders would have been more productive.

DickAllen72
06-13-2010, 10:49 PM
Ramirez sucks... I'm beyond fed up with him.
His AB in the ninth was certainly brutal.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 10:50 PM
I had 8 text messages on my phone after the game letting me know the Cubs won today.

I love my friends!

Remind them that their favorite team has just as many wins as the Sox.

Nice to know that there are still Cubs fans that are consistently dip****s.

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 10:51 PM
Quentin and Beckham have been killing the Sox this year.

Oh, don't get me started on him.


He looked like a complete child up there against Ted ****ing Lilly :angry:


Seriously, this kid has major issues if you ask me.

Domeshot17
06-13-2010, 10:51 PM
I don't now, emotions run high, but this game is pretty much the summary of the season, Ozzie and Kenny have failed us. Ozzie bitched and moanded and pined for this exact team, these 25 guys, he refused to add anything, going so far as to saying no one in the league would come here and be a full time DH. Well, his 25 guys suck. Kenny came out and said we will try it, and if it doesn't work, we will change it. Well, Kenny, I am officially sick of hearing you tried, because sports are a results driven business, and you consistently do not put up results.

The free pass of 2005 is over, Neither of you should have a job right now. This might have been the most pissed off I have been all season. ZERO to do with it being the Cubs, entirely to do with the fact a win turns this entire season around, 6.5, Twins headed in a tough tough stretch, we could think about being within 3 or 4. and we not only lose, we do so with a completely pathetic offensive effort, like no one gave a ****.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 10:51 PM
Remind them that their favorite team has just as many wins as the Sox.

Nice to know that there are still Cubs fans that are consistently dip****s.
My friend actually told me that the Cubs are one game better than the Sox.

I let him down easy..

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 10:52 PM
I think just standing with the bat on their shoulders would have been more productive.

Especially because Marmol can't throw strikes consistently. This has ruined my night.

PaleHoser
06-13-2010, 10:52 PM
Apparently the phrase, "Ground ball to the right side, get one in and one over" doesn't translate to Spanish. That was the ball game right there.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:52 PM
Especially because Marmol can't throw strikes consistently. This has ruined my night.

We'll forget all this nonsense after we sweep the Pirates.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 10:53 PM
My friend actually told me that the Cubs are one game better than the Sox.

I let him down easy..

Did you have to explain what a loss column is? I would expect a Cubs fan to be familiar with it.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 10:53 PM
Quentin and Beckham have been killing the Sox this year.
Yeah, but I think there's a BIG difference between Quentin and Beckham. Being that this is Beckham's SECOND season. And his first season wasn't even a full season. He's young, I know he hasn't been that great as of late, but I wouldn't start worrying about him quite yet.

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 10:53 PM
His AB in the ninth was certainly brutal.
How long do we have Ramirez?

october23sp
06-13-2010, 10:54 PM
Now that I have settled down, I don't mind the loss, thank god we didn't get no hit.

veeter
06-13-2010, 10:54 PM
My friend actually told me that the Cubs are one game better than the Sox.

I let him down easy..Even if they were...congradulations.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 10:55 PM
How long do we have Ramirez?

Well... (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alexei+ramirez+contract+status)

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 10:55 PM
Now that I have settled down, I don't mind the loss, thank god we didn't get no hit.

Thats exactly how I see it.

Chez
06-13-2010, 10:55 PM
Don't you remember Ramirez's rookie year when coaches, manager, general manager and announcers all raved about his baseball IQ?

thomas35forever
06-13-2010, 10:56 PM
Just so you all know, I would've just laughed had Lilly pulled off the no-no because it would be the epitome of everything that has gone wrong for us this season offensively. I can't even get upset anymore like some of you. I'm resigned to the fact that we suck and therefore, I will not expect any rallies like the one tonight to come full circle.

I also really don't care what moves are made on this roster. This season is lost anyway. As long as they are beneficial for 2011 and beyond, I'll be fine with them.

veeter
06-13-2010, 10:56 PM
Well... (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alexei+ramirez+contract+status)freakin' hilarious

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 10:56 PM
Well... (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alexei+ramirez+contract+status)

Thats sick I've never seen that before :D:

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 10:56 PM
Did you have to explain what a loss column is? I would expect a Cubs fan to be familiar with it.
boom. roasted.

Foulke You
06-13-2010, 10:56 PM
I had 8 text messages on my phone after the game letting me know the Cubs won today.

I love my friends!
Are they aware they lost the series or are they celebrating this as a pennant victory?

spongyfungy
06-13-2010, 10:56 PM
Don't you remember Ramirez's rookie year when coaches, manager, general manager and announcers all raved about his baseball IQ?

How about his ability to adjust to pitchers 2nd and 3rd time around the batting order.

What a joke

DickAllen72
06-13-2010, 10:56 PM
It's quite a shame that it seems the White Sox won't be trading AJ tonight.
No, it's quite a shame they won't be trading Quentin or Ramirez or Jones tonight.

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 10:58 PM
No, it's quite a shame they won't be trading Quentin or Ramirez or Jones tonight.

I have a feeling kenny is packaging them up to the Nationals for Dunn.

Boondock Saint
06-13-2010, 10:58 PM
The more I think about it, the more upset I get. I wouldn't doubt that, when asked about who's responsible for this, Ozzie or Kenny will brush it off with some lame excuse about how emotions are running high because it's the Cubs, and that this will all blow over soon.

But that's not the case. Emotions are running high because this team manages to lose even when the other team hands them a victory on a silver platter. More than 25 out of 30 teams in baseball can hit a sac bunt or sac fly when necessary. This team had three opportunities to drive in at the very least the tying run, and failed miserably. Good God, what's it going to take to see some changes in this organization?

cheezheadsoxfan
06-13-2010, 10:58 PM
Now that I have settled down, I don't mind the loss, thank god we didn't get no hit.

That's my attitude. Let's all think back to the top of the 9th. Honestly, how many of us were just saying "please, just break it up." If all that happened in the 9th was the single we would all just be glad we didn't get no-hit.

Let's move on and get the Pirates.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 10:59 PM
I have a feeling kenny is packaging them up to the Nationals for Dunn.

Ouch.


:tealpolice:

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 10:59 PM
Are they aware they lost the series or are they celebrating this as a pennant victory?
I pointed that out, but literally they do not care.

Oney put it best on his twitter:
That's why cub fans r just stupid. They r acting like they won the series or they through a no no. Neither happened idiots.

stacksedwards
06-13-2010, 10:59 PM
That game tonight was a microcosm of this team this season so far. They do enough just to lose. I'm just glad I don't have to listen to Jon Miller and Joe Morgan. They are just bad

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 10:59 PM
I have a feeling kenny is packaging them up to the Nationals for Dunn.

That is the worst attempt at teal I've ever witnessed.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 11:00 PM
I pointed that out, but literally they do not care.

Oney put it best on his twitter:


Oney is still a ****ing moron.

Foulke You
06-13-2010, 11:00 PM
He's only signed for this year right? Send him to the minors with beckham.
Beckham is "sending down" worthy right now with only 1 HR and 12 RBI. In all fairness to Quentin, he has contributed a bit this year on offense despite the dismal batting average and the high rate of pop outs. 8 HR and 38RBIs is *decent* run production. He is on pace for about 85RBI this year. Carlos's current total of 38 is good for 2nd on the team in RBIs behind Konerko. (Yes, our offense is THAT bad this year)

Crede24Thome25
06-13-2010, 11:01 PM
That is the worst attempt at teal I've ever witnessed.

HAHA I tried to get it as close, sue me lol

october23sp
06-13-2010, 11:02 PM
HAHA I tried to get it as close, sue me lol

I will, see your ass in court tomorrow.:wink:

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 11:02 PM
I pointed that out, but literally they do not care.

Oney put it best on his twitter:
That's why cub fans r just stupid. They r acting like they won the series or they through a no no. Neither happened idiots.


Oney's a dumbass.

Boondock Saint
06-13-2010, 11:03 PM
That's my attitude. Let's all think back to the top of the 9th. Honestly, how many of us were just saying "please, just break it up." If all that happened in the 9th was the single we would all just be glad we didn't get no-hit.

Let's move on and get the Pirates.

That was my attitude at first, too. But then Marmol absolutely imploded, and we were suddenly in a situation where it was our game to lose. And I'll be damned if we didn't do just that. The Cubs handed us that game in the ninth, and we handed it right back.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 11:03 PM
I thought Oney promised he wasn't going to mention the Sox anymore. :rolleyes:

thomas35forever
06-13-2010, 11:03 PM
Oney is still a ****ing moron.

Oney's a dumbass.
I've come to realize that Oney is no better than some of the dumbasses who post stupid comments on YouTube videos.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 11:04 PM
Oney's a dumbass.
I happen to find his words very inspirational. Don't judge me.

SoxSpeed22
06-13-2010, 11:04 PM
**** this team. That is all.

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 11:05 PM
Oney's a dumbass.

what r u talkin about? i through my hands up at u. cubs r idiots like kw jajaja.

Frankfan4life
06-13-2010, 11:05 PM
Really, with Ramirez batting? Have you seen him try to lay down a bunt?I've seen him try to hit with RISP. That's why I think that with the wet ground, fielding a bunt might have been difficult and worth a shot.

thomas35forever
06-13-2010, 11:05 PM
what r u talkin about? i through my hands up at u. cubs r idiots like kw jajaja.
:kneeslap:

Brian26
06-13-2010, 11:06 PM
Oney put it best on his twitter

There are seven words you rarely hear together.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 11:06 PM
I've come to realize that Oney is no better than some of the dumbasses who post stupid comments on YouTube videos.

xkcd agrees. (http://xkcd.com/202/)

TDog
06-13-2010, 11:07 PM
A well-pitched, well-played game on both sides.

It was a well-pitched game, but it looked like the heavy air helped both pitchers. It looked like the park was player bigger than usual. There were a few balls that looked like they would have gone out under normal conditions, and Lilly was giving up a lot of fly balls.

Marmol made it interesting, and I thought the Sox were going to score after the balk, but he was nasty in throwing strikes to Ramirez. Of course, if there had been no balk Ramirez had gotten the bunt down, the Cubs would have walked Rios bringing up Konerko with the bases loaded and one out. That was the situation the Sox were playing for.

Marmol was a different pitcher after the balk, which happens to a lot of closers when they leave themselves no margin for error. Maybe without the balk, Ramirez lays down a bunt and the Cubs throw the ball away to tie the game or give the Sox the lead. Maybe if Lee goes for the 3-6-3 doubleplay, he hits Rios in the back with the throw.

If Floyd had walked Soriano on the 3-2 pitch, maybe he takes a no-hitter into the ninth. If Lilly didn't have a no-hitter going, he wouldn't have come out for the ninth, given up the hit and set the stage for Marmol to make it interesting.

It was a great game, one both teams probably believe they should have won. And a game that fans of whichever team lost would complain their team blew.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 11:07 PM
I've come to realize that Oney is no better than some of the dumbasses who post stupid comments on YouTube videos.

He actually told a Sox fan on Twitter the other day that he knew more about baseball than the fan because "he'd been around it for 21 years." Okay.

Crestani
06-13-2010, 11:08 PM
Oney's a dumbass.


How about whoever reads his tweets is a dumbass...???:scratch:

doublem23
06-13-2010, 11:09 PM
Please.

Did you say that his rookie year when he hit four Grand Slams?

People are allowed to alter their opinion of players as they progress.

Alexei showed great promise in 2008, but he has stalled (for whatever reason) badly. The guy's still got some talent, but he just makes so many mistakes in the field, it is maddening.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 11:09 PM
How about whoever reads his tweets is a dumbass...???:scratch:

Excellent point.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 11:10 PM
How about whoever reads his tweets is a dumbass...???:scratch:
Yeah..

VMSNS
06-13-2010, 11:10 PM
So....what are the chances that AJ gets traded in the next two hours?

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 11:10 PM
How about whoever reads his tweets is a dumbass...???:scratch:

This **** just got real.

thomas35forever
06-13-2010, 11:10 PM
He actually told a Sox fan on Twitter the other day that he knew more about baseball than the fan because "he'd been around it for 21 years." Okay.
I would've asked the fan his credentials before being quick to judge like that.

thomas35forever
06-13-2010, 11:10 PM
So....what are the chances that AJ gets traded in the next two hours?
Zero.

DirtySox
06-13-2010, 11:11 PM
So....what are the chances that AJ gets traded in the next two hours?

It seems unlikely which is very unfortunate. Supposedly there is little to no interest around the league. This is probably good news to those that are clinging to 2005 players with dear life.

I'm looking forward to the first trade.

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 11:11 PM
People are allowed to alter their opinion of players as they progress.

Alexei showed great promise in 2008, but he has stalled (for whatever reason) badly. The guy's still got some talent, but he just makes so many mistakes in the field, it is maddening.

I didn't like him in 08, either. I really really dislike him, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail or won't cheer when he succeeds.

I just think he is the dumbest baseball player I've ever watched.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 11:11 PM
How about whoever reads his tweets is a dumbass...???:scratch:

Ooooh! Throwing a grenade in a post-game thread! At least you make those 94 posts count!

PhillipsBubba
06-13-2010, 11:12 PM
I LOVE statements like this. Seriously, how the **** do you know? Are you clairvoyant?

Open your friggin' eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mcsoxfan
06-13-2010, 11:12 PM
The more I think about it, the more upset I get. I wouldn't doubt that, when asked about who's responsible for this, Ozzie or Kenny will brush it off with some lame excuse about how emotions are running high because it's the Cubs, and that this will all blow over soon.

But that's not the case. Emotions are running high because this team manages to lose even when the other team hands them a victory on a silver platter. More than 25 out of 30 teams in baseball can hit a sac bunt or sac fly when necessary. This team had three opportunities to drive in at the very least the tying run, and failed miserably. Good God, what's it going to take to see some changes in this organization?

NEW OWNERSHIP!!

Otherwise even if he gets rid of Ozzie and Williams, he'll replace them with cookie cutters.

Some little nothing on this site jumps on me because I dare tell the truth about management. Until Reinsdorf gets sick of this, we are stuck with these kinds of teams. He'll either improve it or white flag it. My guess is the latter. What a big game this was.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 11:13 PM
Open your friggin' eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeez, excuse him for having hope for the season.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 11:13 PM
This **** just got real.
For real, though I do feel like I lose brain cells when I read his tweets. Can't help that I'm amused by them, though.

ndgt10
06-13-2010, 11:14 PM
Serious question: are Ramirez and Quentin done?

doublem23
06-13-2010, 11:14 PM
new ownership!!

Otherwise even if he gets rid of ozzie and williams, he'll replace them with cookie cutters.

some little nothing on this site jumps on me because i dare tell the truth about management. until reinsdorf gets sick of this, we are stuck with these kinds of teams. He'll either improve it or white flag it. My guess is the latter. What a big game this was.

THE SOX HAVE THE 7th HIGHEST PAYROLL IN BASEBALL

DirtySox
06-13-2010, 11:14 PM
For real, though I do feel like I lose brain cells when I read his tweets. Can't help that I'm amused by them, though.

Same here. The stupidity involved is often entertainment enough. I was fond of the meltdown when Ozney wasn't drafted until the 22nd round.

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 11:14 PM
NEW OWNERSHIP!!

Otherwise even if he gets rid of Ozzie and Williams, he'll replace them with cookie cutters.

Some little nothing on this site jumps on me because I dare tell the truth about management. Until Reinsdorf gets sick of this, we are stuck with these kinds of teams. He'll either improve it or white flag it. My guess is the latter. What a big game this was.

You are a pioneer of internet message boarding. I'm sorry us little ones haven't realized it before now. I'll make sure all the "little nothings" that post on this board cool off on their hate for you.

You just said the greatest thing on a message board ever.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 11:15 PM
Serious question: are Ramirez and Quentin done?
I'm sorry I didn't even realize they were having a bad season. No one made mention of it.

But serious answer..Ramirez probably isn't. Not sure about Quentin.

yazz32
06-13-2010, 11:15 PM
I beginning to think Beckham has the Alex Gordon syndrome.
Royals highly touted prospect brought up early and then struggled ever since. The similarity is very eerie...

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 11:15 PM
NEW OWNERSHIP!!

Otherwise even if he gets rid of Ozzie and Williams, he'll replace them with cookie cutters.

Some little nothing on this site jumps on me because I dare tell the truth about management. Until Reinsdorf gets sick of this, we are stuck with these kinds of teams. He'll either improve it or white flag it. My guess is the latter. What a big game this was.

I hope the cookie cutters are in the shape of Christmas trees.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 11:15 PM
you are a pioneer of internet message boarding. I'm sorry us little ones haven't realized it before now. I'll make sure all the "little nothings" that post on this board cool off on their hate for you.

You just said the greatest thing on a message board ever.

hear hear!

DirtySox
06-13-2010, 11:16 PM
I beginning to think Beckham has the Alex Gordon syndrome.
Royals highly touted prospect brought up early and then struggled ever since. The similarity is very eerie...

I was pondering the same thing about 20 minutes ago. I really hope it isn't the case.

PhillipsBubba
06-13-2010, 11:17 PM
Jeez, excuse him for having hope for the season.

No, I won't...CUB fans are always hopeful...that's why they haven't won in 100 ****ing years!

White Sox fans are different...when they see bull****...they call it bull****!

DickAllen72
06-13-2010, 11:18 PM
I was pondering the same thing about 20 minutes ago. I really hope it isn't the case.
Maybe they both could use a change of scenery.

Boondock Saint
06-13-2010, 11:18 PM
NEW OWNERSHIP!!

Otherwise even if he gets rid of Ozzie and Williams, he'll replace them with cookie cutters.

Some little nothing on this site jumps on me because I dare tell the truth about management. Until Reinsdorf gets sick of this, we are stuck with these kinds of teams. He'll either improve it or white flag it. My guess is the latter. What a big game this was.

The vast majority of your posts on this board rip Reinsdorf. I don't see why anyone would care about your clearly biased opinion. Reinsdorf has spent the money necessary to win. Put it on KW or Ozzie for suggesting he spend it on poor players.

doublem23
06-13-2010, 11:18 PM
Some little nothing on this site jumps on me because I dare tell the truth about management. Until Reinsdorf gets sick of this, we are stuck with these kinds of teams. He'll either improve it or white flag it. My guess is the latter. What a big game this was.

You wouldn't know "the truth" if it bit you in your dumb ass.

Reinsdorf is spending more money on this team than 23 other owners.

guillensdisciple
06-13-2010, 11:18 PM
At least our pitching is back. Lets take care of business against the Pirates and the Nationals.

DirtySox
06-13-2010, 11:19 PM
Maybe they both could use a change of scenery.

Too early to be that drastic with Beckham. I definitely think Alex Gordon needs a change of scenery though.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 11:19 PM
you are a pioneer of internet message boarding. I'm sorry us little ones haven't realized it before now. I'll make sure all the "little nothings" that post on this board cool off on their hate for you.

You just said the greatest thing on a message board ever.
hahahaha.

Noneck
06-13-2010, 11:20 PM
THE SOX HAVE THE 7th HIGHEST PAYROLL IN BASEBALL

You think you will be able to say that next year? Since that is the next year that matters.

GoGoCrede
06-13-2010, 11:20 PM
No, I won't...CUB fans are always hopeful...that's why they haven't won in 100 ****ing years!

White Sox fans are different...when they see bull****...they call it bull****!

How exactly are we to predict that this is the longest streak we'll have this season, to go back to the original post? :rolleyes:

thomas35forever
06-13-2010, 11:20 PM
At least our pitching is back. Lets take care of business against the Pirates and the Nationals.
Maybe it's back, but as it's been stated before, it'll all mean jack if that offense can't get its **** together.

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 11:20 PM
I beginning to think Beckham has the Alex Gordon syndrome.
Royals highly touted prospect brought up early and then struggled ever since. The similarity is very eerie...


I don't recall Alex Gordon battling for ROY in his first season, but I could be wrong.

yazz32
06-13-2010, 11:21 PM
I was pondering the same thing about 20 minutes ago. I really hope it isn't the case.

I'm glad im not the only one who thinks this. When Beckham came up last year, I hoped he would not go thru the same thing Alex Gordon did. Just I see the same struggles between the two. The potential is there but maybe the burden of being the next big thing is getting in their heads..

DickAllen72
06-13-2010, 11:22 PM
Too early to be that drastic with Beckham. I definitely think Alex Gordon needs a change of scenery though.
Beckham's change in scenery could be in Charlotte. Alex Gordon's change of scenery could be in Chicago.

LoveYourSuit
06-13-2010, 11:22 PM
Maybe it's back, but as it's been stated before, it'll all mean jack if that offense can't get its **** together.


Add the bullpen as a huge concern to me, even if the SP has turned the corner.

But one can argued the bullpen got burned out early due to all the stressful innings handed to them because of bad SP.

hi im skot
06-13-2010, 11:23 PM
I'm glad im not the only one who thinks this. When Beckham came up last year, I hoped he would not go thru the same thing Alex Gordon did. Just I see the same struggles between the two. The potential is there but maybe the burden of being the next big thing is getting in their heads..

And after Beckham's initial struggles, he put together an impressive rookie campaign that put him in the middle of the ROY talks.

Beckham is bad right now, but it's definitely too early to give up on him.

tick53
06-13-2010, 11:24 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Quentin is useless?

No and I'll throw Beckham, Ramirez and Jayson Nix into the mix. :mad:

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 11:24 PM
And after Beckham's initial struggles, he put together an impressive rookie campaign that put him in the middle of the ROY talks.

Beckham is bad right now, but it's definitely too early to give up on him.
Stop it with your nonsense.

doublem23
06-13-2010, 11:25 PM
And after Beckham's initial struggles, he put together an impressive rookie campaign that put him in the middle of the ROY talks.

Beckham is bad right now, but it's definitely too early to give up on him.

I don't think anyone sane wants to "give up on Beckham," I just don't know at what point it becomes obvious that staying in Chicago is doing nothing for him. He really needs to go back to AAA, get out of the limelight, and figure some things out.

Boondock Saint
06-13-2010, 11:29 PM
I don't think anyone sane wants to "give up on Beckham," I just don't know at what point it becomes obvious that staying in Chicago is doing nothing for him. He really needs to go back to AAA, get out of the limelight, and figure some things out.

I was about to post something about how sending down Beckham means that Nix/Vizquel/Lillibridge get even more starting time, but then I realized that it really doesn't matter with this team anymore.

TDog
06-13-2010, 11:29 PM
I've seen him try to hit with RISP. That's why I think that with the wet ground, fielding a bunt might have been difficult and worth a shot.

In his time with the White Sox, Ramirez has been one of the best hitters with runners in scoring position on the White Sox. As a rookie, he hit .292, last year he hit .296. This year he was only hitting .255 with runners in scoring position coming into the game, but he is hitting .292 with two outs and runners in scoring postion. (Rios came into the game hitting .275 with runners in scoring position. Konerko on Saturday raised his RISP average to .279.)

Tonight Ramirez took the first pitch from Marmol who had just walked Jones to put him in the hole, and then Marmol simply came back to ace him. The first pitch might have been the best one in had to hit in that sequence. The two-strike pitch, as he was protecting the plate, was particularly nasty.

yazz32
06-13-2010, 11:29 PM
I don't think anyone sane wants to "give up on Beckham," I just don't know at what point it becomes obvious that staying in Chicago is doing nothing for him. He really needs to go back to AAA, get out of the limelight, and figure some things out.

100% agree with you. I'm not giving up on him, just the Sox really need to do the right thing soon.

Dan H
06-13-2010, 11:30 PM
I had a real bad feeling about facing Lilly. And with this offense, I am also concerned about being no-hit during any game. I had hoped that the offense had turned things around some and then it scores two runs in two games. That ninth inning was brutal. It is frustrating the Sox again failed to complete a sweep, and it is even more frustrating because the sweep was there for the taking.

I can't believe some Cub fans are gloating. They got only three hits themselves, and their offense is taking them nowhere. Their fans are a big reason I hate this stupid series.

PhillipsBubba
06-13-2010, 11:30 PM
How exactly are we to predict that this is the longest streak we'll have this season, to go back to the original post? :rolleyes:

All you have to do is open your eyes and accept what you are seeing.

This team has too many holes to reel off a meaningful winning streak. Tonight is a perfect example.

A good team finds a way to win that game; especially with men on second and third with nobody out. That's how teams win 9, 10 or 11 in a row.

Sometimes your are required to win games you are seemingly destined to lose. Tonight they needed to do that and they COULDN'T.

Hey, I'd love to see this team overtake the Twins and win the World Series...but my wanting it won't make it happen. Alexei Ramirez and Carlos Quentin must want it more than I.

palehozenychicty
06-13-2010, 11:31 PM
And after Beckham's initial struggles, he put together an impressive rookie campaign that put him in the middle of the ROY talks.

Beckham is bad right now, but it's definitely too early to give up on him.

Exactly.. The kid has struggled, but give him some time. I wouldn't mind if they send him down for a few weeks, just to gain some confidence. He's part of our future. I think he can play, if they don't depend on him too much. He's not going to carry this team. That's not his game.

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 11:32 PM
No, I won't...CUB fans are always hopeful...that's why they haven't won in 100 ****ing years!

White Sox fans are different...when they see bull****...they call it bull****!


What in the **** do those two things have to do with each other?

doublem23
06-13-2010, 11:33 PM
I was about to post something about how sending down Beckham means that Nix/Vizquel/Lillibridge get even more starting time, but then I realized that it really doesn't matter with this team anymore.

100% agree with you. I'm not giving up on him, just the Sox really need to do the right thing soon.

Honestly the only thing that frustrates me about watching Beckham struggle is that it boggles my mind why he's still here. We're not in a chase for the division and, even if we were, he brings almost nothing to this team right now. What is the harm in sending him down? If we were winning and he was hitting like .240 with limited power, I could at least see the argument for keeping him simply to avoid having to play Jayson Nix regularly (who I doubt could hit .240 over an extended period of time and is literally one of the 3 worst defensive infielders I have ever seen).

LongLiveFisk
06-13-2010, 11:36 PM
No, I won't...CUB fans are always hopeful...that's why they haven't won in 100 ****ing years!


They haven't won in over 100 years because the team hasn't gotten the job done in over 100 years. Their fans having hope has nothing to do with it.

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2010, 11:37 PM
You wouldn't know "the truth" if it bit you in your dumb ass.

Reinsdorf is spending more money on this team than 23 other owners.

The problem is that he is spending it poorly. I think that reflects more on KW though.

Chez
06-13-2010, 11:38 PM
Honestly the only thing that frustrates me about watching Beckham struggle is that it boggles my mind why he's still here. We're not in a chase for the division and, even if we were, he brings almost nothing to this team right now. What is the harm in sending him down? If we were winning and he was hitting like .240 with limited power, I could at least see the argument for keeping him simply to avoid having to play Jayson Nix regularly (who I doubt could hit .240 over an extended period of time and is literally one of the 3 worst defensive infielders I have ever seen).

You've indirectly hit on our biggest problem -- the organization currrently does not have a better alternative than Beckham (or Quentin or Williams) -- even when he's only hitting .205.

doublem23
06-13-2010, 11:47 PM
The problem is that he is spending it poorly. I think that reflects more on KW though.

If people want to **** on JR for being loyal to a fault with Ozzie and KW, I can't really argue with that, though just for argument's sake, KW and the Sox's management over the past 5 seasons (2009-2005) has produced a World Series title, 2 division champions, and 2 90-win seasons. I mean, that would only be considered a bad run in the Bronx. Just about any other team would trade places with us over that span of time.

Now, if you're some super genius who called that KW and Ozzie should have been fired when things started to go sour in 2006, great, go print out some of those posts and mail them to the Sox, maybe they'll hire you as a consultant. But you can at least see the rationale as to why JR stuck with his guns and trusted KW with $100 M of his money, right? He's been pretty good the last few years, and is still widely recognized around the league as one of the better GMs. Maybe he's lost the magic touch. Maybe he's going through a rough spell? Either way, it's not like we're on a Pirates-style run here and the Sox are still digging their heels in, refusing to make changes.

The culprit this season has been management for making dumb moves, coaching for making dumb moves, and the players for not producing. You can point some fingers at Reinsdorf if you want, but considering all that's gone wrong this season, to say one thing, and that one thing only, is responsible for the mess this organization is in right now is missing the forest for the trees.

soxfan1965
06-13-2010, 11:50 PM
Glad just to win the series and avoid the no-hitter. Nice to have the Blackhawks there, and there is talk (on WGN-TV) that the Stanley Cup may make it to the Crosstown at the Cell. But I heard that Ozzie made a comment that he wasn't impressed by Blackhawks parade/rally Friday and the White Sox 2005 parade/rally was better. I don't know if that's true or what the context was, but if true it's pretty embarassing Ozzie makes comments like this. Does this hurt the Stanley Cup coming to the Cell, given it's a possibility? Too many open questions, but seems Ozzie needs more tact and common sense sometimes.

WhiteSox1989
06-13-2010, 11:57 PM
Glad just to win the series and avoid the no-hitter. Nice to have the Blackhawks there, and there is talk (on WGN-TV) that the Stanley Cup may make it to the Crosstown at the Cell. But I heard that Ozzie made a comment that he wasn't impressed by Blackhawks parade/rally Friday and the White Sox 2005 parade/rally was better. I don't know if that's true or what the context was, but if true it's pretty embarassing Ozzie makes comments like this. Does this hurt the Stanley Cup coming to the Cell, given it's a possibility? Too many open questions, but seems Ozzie needs more tact and common sense sometimes.
Ozzie is the manager of the Sox, so obviously he's going to say the 2005 parade was better. I'd be disappointed if he DIDN'T think that.

However, he probably shouldn't have said it aloud.

TDog
06-13-2010, 11:58 PM
The problem is that he is spending it poorly. I think that reflects more on KW though.

That's right. He should never have approved the waiver claim for Rios.

The White Sox went into Wrigley Field and won two of three after beating two of three from the Tigers while the Twins were winning two of three at home against the Royals and dropping two of three against the Braves -- all at home.

I'm disappointed the White Sox lost, but the anger here is comical.

DirtySox
06-13-2010, 11:59 PM
For those that care (GoGo) Gavin didn't swallow his gum in the 1st inning, his boys were being pinched by his cup. Not a pleasant feeling.

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Gavin Floyd did not swallow his gum. Without getting too technical, his cup pinched him twice in the jewels. Got it? 14 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/16120515487) via txt (http://twitter.com/devices)

GoGoCrede
06-14-2010, 12:01 AM
For those that care (GoGo) Gavin didn't swallow his gum in the 1st inning, his boys were being pinched by his cup. Not a pleasant feeling.

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Gavin Floyd did not swallow his gum. Without getting too technical, his cup pinched him twice in the jewels. Got it? 14 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/16120515487) via txt (http://twitter.com/devices)

Ha, I saw that. How...odd. And painful. Hope he'll be okay!

doublem23
06-14-2010, 12:03 AM
That's right. He should never have approved the waiver claim for Rios.

The White Sox went into Wrigley Field and won two of three after beating two of three from the Tigers while the Twins were winning two of three at home against the Royals and dropping two of three against the Braves -- all at home.

I'm disappointed the White Sox lost, but the anger here is comical.

Yeah great, I'd love to see what this team would look like sans its best offensive player. I'm sure we'd have been much better off with Pierre, Jones, and Quentin as our everyday outfield.

And seriously, where the **** do you get off telling people how they should feel? The Sox were down by 1, had runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs and a notorious walk machine on the mound and they can't even get the game to the bottom of the 9th. NEWSFLASH: We can't afford to just be pissing games away and pretending like it's OK because "oh, well the Twins lost today, too." We dug ourselves in a big hole, and we have a roster full of garbage, so any time the Sox are even remotely in a game, we'd damn well better win it if we have any hopes of salvaging this season. We don't have this luxury of losing close games and just shrugging it off because "we won yesterday and the guys tried their super duper hardest."

We. Need. To. Win.

DirtySox
06-14-2010, 12:03 AM
Ha, I saw that. How...odd. And painful. Hope he'll be okay!

One wonders how the announcers decided he swallowed his gum. I wasn't paying much attention though.

TheCommander
06-14-2010, 12:04 AM
I hope the cookie cutters are in the shape of Christmas trees.

:yup:

GoGoCrede
06-14-2010, 12:05 AM
One wonders how the announcers decided he swallowed his gum. I wasn't paying much attention though.

The same announcers who declared that the most important pitching to have in baseball is starting pitching, and that it took precendence over closing and middle relief? Great meeting of the minds there.

Although I suppose the gum excuse was less embarrassing. Poor Gavin!

twinsuck
06-14-2010, 12:07 AM
btw Juan Pierre is my new hero...

DirtySox
06-14-2010, 12:07 AM
The same announcers who declared that the most important pitching to have in baseball is starting pitching, and that it took precendence over closing and middle relief? Great meeting of the minds there.


Fire Joe Morgan.

Slappy
06-14-2010, 12:26 AM
Get Quentin and Beckham out of there. I'd rather watch Gavin Floyd hit all day than those two.

StillMissOzzie
06-14-2010, 12:27 AM
I can't believe we fail to get one run aboard with runners on 2nd and 3rd with NO OUTS!! Oh wait, it's the 2010 White Sox, yes I can believe it!!

2nd and 3rd and nobody out and you can't score.

Typical.
****ing limp offense. Marmol escapes a jam largely of his own making, but the Sox should have tied or even taken the lead without needing another hit. TCM fizzles on the takeoff, and PK barely escapes the GIDP. Yeah, PK has been damn good so far this year, but they just needed a ****ing fly ball. It's on TCM and PK to force TCQ to need a hit to tie or take the lead, but I was 99% sure he was not going to come through after the first two flops with RISP.

And thank you, Juan Pierre. Winning the series is fine and all but letting the sweep slip through their fingers puts a bad taste in my mouth.

SMO
:angry:

doublem23
06-14-2010, 12:32 AM
btw Juan Pierre is my new hero...

He definitely saved every Sox fan in the Chicagoland area a lot of unnecessary gloating.

PhillipsBubba
06-14-2010, 12:59 AM
They haven't won in over 100 years because the team hasn't gotten the job done in over 100 years. Their fans having hope has nothing to do with it.

...and the fans keep financing the poor management.

PhillipsBubba
06-14-2010, 01:04 AM
What in the **** do those two things have to do with each other?

Hey look, if you're happy with the state of the franchise then God Bless!:gulp:

guillensdisciple
06-14-2010, 01:22 AM
No, I won't...CUB fans are always hopeful...that's why they haven't won in 100 ****ing years!

White Sox fans are different...when they see bull****...they call it bull****!

I am hopeful and I expect winning. A simple combination.

Also, I don't get why this loss is taken so poorly. We made up 2 games on the Twins this week. That's pretty damn good in my book. Assume we go 4-2 or 5-1 in the next 6 which should be fairly easy to pull and we are 4 or 3 games under .500.

We can make dents, and hopefully Kenny will change to buy mode instead of sell. Give this team one more good hitter in the middle and it's set. It was obvious that this was missing today as they got around Rios.

Mohoney
06-14-2010, 01:40 AM
We can make dents, and hopefully Kenny will change to buy mode instead of sell.

Games like today are the chance to make those dents. Go ahead and sweep a bad Cubs team in a "road" series where you don't even leave town. Pick up 3 games on the Twins instead of 2. Take advantage of the situation.

Another perfectly winnable game goes by the wayside.

Because of the **** storm that we have produced against the lowly Indians this year, we're now in a situation where we have to sneak those wins out of somewhere else on the schedule. 2 out of 3 in this series simply isn't good enough. 2 out of 3 against the Pirates won't be good enough, either.

tstrike2000
06-14-2010, 01:59 AM
If the emberassment of a No Hitter would have put Walker's head on a platter, then I would have wished for it.

Walker's not going anywhere. They could nuke the Sox dugout during the game and he'll still be left standing.

doublem23
06-14-2010, 02:02 AM
Walker's not going anywhere. They could nuke the Sox dugout during the game and he'll still be left standing.

Can we officially make Greg Walker's WSI nickname The Cockroach?

No matter how bad things get, he survives.

LoveYourSuit
06-14-2010, 02:12 AM
Can we officially make Greg Walker's WSI nickname The Cockroach?

No matter how bad things get, he survives.

I was just going to say that.


Or maybe the "The Roach." Shorter version.


or in Ozzie translation:

"La Cucaracha"

pudge
06-14-2010, 03:26 AM
1) Why is TCQ getting so much hate on this thread? At least he hit a fly ball, which would have scored a run if he had been batting when Alexei or Konerko did. Ramirez is the travesty - he is just worthless.

2) Losing this type of game is the exact reason this team is NOT getting back in the race. If this team were a stock, I'd be selling fast off that four-game win streak.

WhiteSox5187
06-14-2010, 03:29 AM
Yeah great, I'd love to see what this team would look like sans its best offensive player. I'm sure we'd have been much better off with Pierre, Jones, and Quentin as our everyday outfield.

And seriously, where the **** do you get off telling people how they should feel? The Sox were down by 1, had runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs and a notorious walk machine on the mound and they can't even get the game to the bottom of the 9th. NEWSFLASH: We can't afford to just be pissing games away and pretending like it's OK because "oh, well the Twins lost today, too." We dug ourselves in a big hole, and we have a roster full of garbage, so any time the Sox are even remotely in a game, we'd damn well better win it if we have any hopes of salvaging this season. We don't have this luxury of losing close games and just shrugging it off because "we won yesterday and the guys tried their super duper hardest."

We. Need. To. Win.

I'm pretty sure that that comment was tongue in cheek. Least I hope it was. The Teahen signing would be a better example of Kenny spending money very poorly.

Boondock Saint
06-14-2010, 03:31 AM
1) Why is TCQ getting so much hate on this thread? At least he hit a fly ball, which would have scored a run if he had been batting when Alexei or Konerko did. Ramirez is the travesty - he is just worthless.

2) Losing this type of game is the exact reason this team is NOT getting back in the race. If this team were a stock, I'd be selling fast off that four-game win streak.

Incorrect. That ball didn't go nearly far enough to score Pierre from 3rd.

Dick Allen
06-14-2010, 03:39 AM
As a couple of people have stated here, it's only a matter of time before this team does get no-hit. Maybe Saturday vs. Strasburg?

Of course, the only run in the game scored on a seeing-eye hit. Typical Cub crap.

TDog
06-14-2010, 04:21 AM
Yeah great, I'd love to see what this team would look like sans its best offensive player. I'm sure we'd have been much better off with Pierre, Jones, and Quentin as our everyday outfield.

And seriously, where the **** do you get off telling people how they should feel? The Sox were down by 1, had runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs and a notorious walk machine on the mound and they can't even get the game to the bottom of the 9th. NEWSFLASH: We can't afford to just be pissing games away and pretending like it's OK because "oh, well the Twins lost today, too." We dug ourselves in a big hole, and we have a roster full of garbage, so any time the Sox are even remotely in a game, we'd damn well better win it if we have any hopes of salvaging this season. We don't have this luxury of losing close games and just shrugging it off because "we won yesterday and the guys tried their super duper hardest."

We. Need. To. Win.

You took my post out of context. The Alex Rios comment was in response to people complaining the White Sox were going cheap. The Alex Rios claim shows that is not the case. So does the Jake Peavy trade, although his performance up to this point doesn't justify his salary. Maybe it was my fault for believing that the post only made sense if the reader infered teal.

The current ownership group increased payroll after winning the World Series. It's silly to complain that the current ownership is cheap, and some of the people refuse to support the White Sox financially because the team has somehow offended them are among the crowd complaining the Whtie Sox are cheap.

Of course the White Sox need to win. But this is baseball, and nobody wins every day. But this wasn't a game the White Sox pissed away as Tuesday night's game was. I won't tell you how you should feel. Frankly, I don't believe I did. Feel however you want. And I'll continue to find it hilarious. As funny as it is, I only wish the Blackhawks had lost the Stanley Cup finals so I could have laughed at that post mortem thread in the Parking Lot. I need the laughs.

When I was a kid, I was in Minnesota visiting my father, and he had a Twins game on the radio. The Twins were down by a run, and had the bases loaded with future Hall of Famer Harmon Killebrew up. He struck out, and my father said Killebrew was a bum. He didn't like it when I laughed, but that was funny.

I saw the 1977 White Sox lose nearly 20 games in the standings to the Royals, and more than 10 games to the Rangers in the last two months of the season after building am nice late-July lead. I saw the 2008 Twins blow a late-September lead. But I'm disappointed the Sox didn't win tonight. I'm not going to burst a blood vessel screaming about how heads will roll because the Sox lost today.

Boondock Saint
06-14-2010, 04:39 AM
You took my post out of context. The Alex Rios comment was in response to people complaining the White Sox were going cheap. The Alex Rios claim shows that is not the case. So does the Jake Peavy trade, although his performance up to this point doesn't justify his salary. Maybe it was my fault for believing that the post only made sense if the reader infered teal.

The current ownership group increased payroll after winning the World Series. It's silly to complain that the current ownership is cheap, and some of the people refuse to support the White Sox financially because the team has somehow offended them are among the crowd complaining the Whtie Sox are cheap.

Of course the White Sox need to win. But this is baseball, and nobody wins every day. But this wasn't a game the White Sox pissed away as Tuesday night's game was. I won't tell you how you should feel. Frankly, I don't believe I did. Feel however you want. And I'll continue to find it hilarious. As funny as it is, I only wish the Blackhawks had lost the Stanley Cup finals so I could have laughed at that post mortem thread in the Parking Lot. I need the laughs.

When I was a kid, I was in Minnesota visiting my father, and he had a Twins game on the radio. The Twins were down by a run, and had the bases loaded with future Hall of Famer Harmon Killebrew up. He struck out, and my father said Killebrew was a bum. He didn't like it when I laughed, but that was funny.

I saw the 1977 White Sox lose nearly 20 games in the standings to the Royals, and more than 10 games to the Rangers in the last two months of the season after building am nice late-July lead. I saw the 2008 Twins blow a late-September lead. But I'm disappointed the Sox didn't win tonight. I'm not going to burst a blood vessel screaming about how heads will roll because the Sox lost today.

You don't think this is all about tonight, do you? What about the 33 other games we've lost so far this season, including 13 to teams with a losing record? Is it okay to be pissed off about that?

LITTLE NELL
06-14-2010, 06:10 AM
Trade TCQ.

And send Alexei and Beckham with him.

white sox bill
06-14-2010, 07:19 AM
OK I'll confess....I wussed out and went to bed after the bottom of 8th. I get up at 4AM on Mondays. I really didn't want to see Lilly throw a no-no. I thought he'd do it for sure. I slept terrible, visions of the harassing I'd take from cub fans after the game.

Now I read that we had 2 runners in scoring position, no out, and of course failed to score.

Glad I saved myself the aggravation of watching.

soltrain21
06-14-2010, 08:08 AM
Hey look, if you're happy with the state of the franchise then God Bless!:gulp:

You might be the worst person in the world at realizing when things correlate together.

A Cubs fan being hopeful and them not winning in 100 years have NOTHING to do with each other. Me asking what those two things have to do with each other has NOTHING to do with me being happy with the state of the franchise, because I'm not happy.

Maybe you should look into an online class on the subject of correlation.

Viva Medias B's
06-14-2010, 08:31 AM
I don't think the Fourth Estate's reaction to last night's game will be as bad against us as some may fear. This morning on M&H for example, they were making fun of Lou's "I'm not a damn dummy!" comments about Stoney's.

Hitmen77
06-14-2010, 09:06 AM
All I have to say is thank goodness Pierre got a hit. If it was a no-hitter, Cub fans would be shooting their mouths off all over town today and we'd never hear the end of it (even if we took 5 of 6 from them this year).

Actually, the Tribune gave me a scare because I didn't have the game on and I saw their online headline said "Lilly's a no-hitter at Wrigley". I thought that mean he had completed a no-hitter. :o:Apparently it meant just that he had a no-hitter going, but it was very misleading to read.

As far as the Sox having runners on 2nd and 3rd and nobody out and failing to score......this is just par for the course for the White Sox over the last few years. Anyone still surprised by this needs to take off the rose colored glasses. By the way, failing to sweep a team when they have them down 0-2 in a series is a Sox trademark too.

This team isn't going anywhere anyway, so the biggest relief was to be spared the embarrassment of being no-hit at the Urinal in front of all those ass-clown fans.

Baron
06-14-2010, 09:18 AM
Beck and TCQ ..... I dont know which one makes me more sick....but I know both should be sent down

masloan
06-14-2010, 09:23 AM
Beck and TCQ ..... I dont know which one makes me more sick....but I know both should be sent down

From the beginning of the season I said that Beckham and TCQ were by far th most important pieces of this offense. When they started struggling I made many points as to why I was not so sure they would just snap out of it. Many here just kept saying "they will hit". At this point, the sox need to do whatever they feel is the best way to prepare those two for the future. If they do not turn in to the types of players we all thought they were, the Sox are in a lot of trouble moving forward.

LongLiveFisk
06-14-2010, 10:39 AM
Glad just to win the series and avoid the no-hitter. Nice to have the Blackhawks there, and there is talk (on WGN-TV) that the Stanley Cup may make it to the Crosstown at the Cell. But I heard that Ozzie made a comment that he wasn't impressed by Blackhawks parade/rally Friday and the White Sox 2005 parade/rally was better. I don't know if that's true or what the context was, but if true it's pretty embarassing Ozzie makes comments like this. Does this hurt the Stanley Cup coming to the Cell, given it's a possibility? Too many open questions, but seems Ozzie needs more tact and common sense sometimes.

If it's true, it was a very dumb thing of Ozzie to say. Sounds like he is jealous he is not "the man" anymore. :rolleyes:

white sox bill
06-14-2010, 10:42 AM
Lilly pitched one helluva game no doubt. Seems like the weaker NL is suited best for him.

LoveYourSuit
06-14-2010, 11:02 AM
Lilly pitched one helluva game no doubt. Seems like the weaker NL is suited best for him.


I disagree.

I saw nothing special in what Lily did out there other than badly coached ML hitters hacking away and trying to pull everything against a junk balling LH. It's the same film we have seen over and over by these Sox hitters the last few years. A bunch of hacks. The only guy that made a half effor to take Lily's junk up the middle and right center was Rios.

Now show me the Lily of the last two years with that Nintendo hook to go along with that 90-91 mph, no question tip your hat. But yesterday was far from that. He was wild, didn't hit 90 on the gun, and only struck out 3 batters.

I think this is what pisses me off the most about last night. It was a game you should have taken. Gavin will not pitch better than that, ever IMO. Gavin was the better pitcher out there last night.


I just finished typing and Quentin hit another pop-up to short center from his bedroom. Pathetic.

Noir
06-14-2010, 11:04 AM
It's the NL, and with the way we're hitting we may as well be in the NL

TDog
06-14-2010, 12:21 PM
You don't think this is all about tonight, do you? What about the 33 other games we've lost so far this season, including 13 to teams with a losing record? Is it okay to be pissed off about that?

It's a comic overreaction regardless, although I would laugh harder at the reaction if rage were being vented over a team I didn't care about, like the Blackhawks, Bears or Bulls. When I lived in Wisconsin and went into work on Mondays to find the Packers had lost, the change in people always put a smile on my face.

Before beating up on the Phillies, the Red Sox lost two games to the Indians, including one in which they only got two hits and gave up 11 runs. In interleague play, before the Cubs lost two of three at home to the White Sox, they won two of three on the road against the first-place Rangers.

After this weekend, only five of the 14 American League teams have winning records against National League teams in interleague play. And the National League teams the White Sox have played had winning records against their non-White Sox opponents. There isn't the huge disparity between he AL or NL this year. I haven't added the results up, but I'm guessing the AL is only a couple of games above .500. Interleague play might even be at .500 after two weekends if not for the White Sox winning their two series.

Most teams don't have losing records because they are bad teams. They have losing records because they are inconsistent. It could be said that being inconsistent makes teams bad. Inconsistent teams sometimes play very good baseball.

The White Sox have been playing pretty good baseball over the past week. They lost a tough game on a tough night to hit. (The Cubs only got three hits and one runner past first against a pitcher with the highest ERA of any regular starter in the American League. Maybe the Cubs should fire their hitting coach.)

Of course I'm disappointed the White Sox lost. But I can keep it in perspective.

soxinem1
06-14-2010, 12:43 PM
Alexei is my least favorite player the Sox have ever had.

More than Navarro or Clayton??

It's a comic overreaction regardless, although I would laugh harder at the reaction if rage were being vented over a team I didn't care about, like the Blackhawks, Bears or Bulls. When I lived in Wisconsin and went into work on Mondays to find the Packers had lost, the change in people always put a smile on my face.

Before beating up on the Phillies, the Red Sox lost two games to the Indians, including one in which they only got two hits and gave up 11 runs. In interleague play, before the Cubs lost two of three at home to the White Sox, they won two of three on the road against the first-place Rangers.

After this weekend, only five of the 14 American League teams have winning records against National League teams in interleague play. And the National League teams the White Sox have played had winning records against their non-White Sox opponents. There isn't the huge disparity between he AL or NL this year. I haven't added the results up, but I'm guessing the AL is only a couple of games above .500. Interleague play might even be at .500 after two weekends if not for the White Sox winning their two series.

Most teams don't have losing records because they are bad teams. They have losing records because they are inconsistent. It could be said that being inconsistent makes teams bad. Inconsistent teams sometimes play very good baseball.

The White Sox have been playing pretty good baseball over the past week. They lost a tough game on a tough night to hit. (The Cubs only got three hits and one runner past first against a pitcher with the highest ERA of any regular starter in the American League. Maybe the Cubs should fire their hitting coach.)

Of course I'm disappointed the White Sox lost. But I can keep it in perspective.

When the White Sox had runners at second and third after Marmol's balk, ESPN actually posted that the White Sox had been hitting near .500 with RISP in the four-game winning streak. Naturally you cannot do this the entire season and there will be games you don't hit at all, but who knows, maybe we pick up where we left off against PIT and do it again.

I still say it was a well-played game for the most part.

We will see over the next week if the 4-game winning streak was for real or BS.

All I know is we are a lot closer to .500 than we were a week ago and MIN has several players on the DL. If there was a time to win, it is now.