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DumpJerry
06-12-2010, 06:06 PM
This is the starting pitching were were expecting in March.

This was the Silva we remember!

Four in a row and counting!
:):):):)
:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:
:gulp::gulp::gulp::gulp:

soxinem1
06-12-2010, 06:06 PM
Plenty of clouds, birds, stranded runners......

But most importantly, A FOUR GAME WINNING STREAK FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2010!!!!

I know many will say Pierre should have had a bases-loaded BB in the eighth, but the wide strike call to LHH has been consistent all day, ala Santos' K to end the 7th.

Good effort by the pitchers today....

october23sp
06-12-2010, 06:06 PM
Yep, this was pre-typed. :D: Discuss.:bandance:

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 06:07 PM
Nice title, Dump. :thumbsup:

edit - except for the typo :)

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 06:08 PM
Great win, Buehrle was awesome. 4 game winning streak!

I love it when our confidence and wins come at the expense of the Flubs.

beasly213
06-12-2010, 06:08 PM
Minus Buerhle that was an Ugly win. But who cares?! :bandance::bandance:

october23sp
06-12-2010, 06:08 PM
t66uuDdpwaU


2 more wins and the coveted crosstown cup is ours!

Boondock Saint
06-12-2010, 06:08 PM
I only caught the last out, so I don't have much to comment on. Jenks' slider to get the last out was nasty.

DumpJerry
06-12-2010, 06:09 PM
Nice title, Dump. :thumbsup:
I also have the quickest finger in the West.......(it helped I was listening to the radio and not watching the TV which is about seven seconds behind the radio).

soxinem1
06-12-2010, 06:09 PM
This is the starting pitching were were expecting in March.

This was the Silva we remember!

The Silva who easilly pitched well enough to win??:scratch:

NDSox12
06-12-2010, 06:09 PM
Hopefully we'll see THAT Mark Buehrle a little more frequently from here on out.

4 in a row!

october23sp
06-12-2010, 06:10 PM
The Silva who easilly pitched well enough to win??:scratch:

Well enough to win is not equal to winning.:smile:

DumpJerry
06-12-2010, 06:10 PM
The Silva who easilly pitched well enough to win??:scratch:
The Silva who losses.

manders_01
06-12-2010, 06:10 PM
Awesome! I love a White Sox winner. :bandance:

harwar
06-12-2010, 06:10 PM
i think the White Sox are trying to give me a nervous breakdown lol .. keep beating these NL teams .. build confidence and get in the WIN mindset .. wow it's so much fun to win :)

October26
06-12-2010, 06:10 PM
Happy that the Sox won. This was a nail biter and the Sox prevailed! YES! :bandance:

Frankfan4life
06-12-2010, 06:10 PM
Aww, we spoiled Silva's little run. :redneck The best thing about today's game was Buehrle getting his mojo back. I hope he's finally out of his funk.

FOUR IN A ROW!!! Yeah, Baby!! :bandance: More, more....

JimmyJames
06-12-2010, 06:11 PM
Also nice we didn't get saddled with Joe Buck.

WhiteSox5187
06-12-2010, 06:11 PM
Dare we make it five?

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 06:11 PM
Dare we make it five?

When was the last time we swept them at Wrigley?

GlassSox
06-12-2010, 06:11 PM
Absolutely a good win. It is hard to believe this is our 1st time this year for 4 in a row.

harwar
06-12-2010, 06:12 PM
funny how we get several post-game thread starters now .. i look forward to seeing who can fight their way to get there first ..

Crestani
06-12-2010, 06:12 PM
Could not get the game since we had the Red Sox/Phillies game on in California. (Fox never gives us American League games in SD) but followed on the computer. Looked like Jenks was about to scare again...but came through!

Four game win streak...I'll take it.:D:

JB98
06-12-2010, 06:13 PM
The Cubs, much like the Sox, have been terrible offensively with RISP for most of this year.

They let Buehrle off the hook in some innings. We'll take 'em any way we can get 'em. It's nice to piece together a few wins.

Bullpen was good today.

Demps2
06-12-2010, 06:13 PM
When was the last time we swept them at Wrigley?

1999, then we went on to lose 2/3 at the Cell:whiner:

WhiteSox5187
06-12-2010, 06:13 PM
When was the last time we swept them at Wrigley?

Probably 1999. That also sent the Cubs into a slide in which they never really recovered.

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 06:14 PM
1999, then we went on to lose 2/3 at the Cell:whiner:

Well, there's a chance I might get free tickets to one of the Cubs @ Sox games, so let's make sure history doesn't repeat itself.

harwar
06-12-2010, 06:14 PM
tomorrow night i want Floyd to have the game of his life and just shut the ****ing door!

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 06:15 PM
tomorrow night i want Floyd to have the game of his life and just shut the ****ing door!

:Floyd:

As you wish!

voodoochile
06-12-2010, 06:19 PM
The Silva who easilly pitched well enough to win??:scratch:

And did just enough to lose...

But that's not what's important, it's officially a winning streak!

Buehrle and Bobby and Putz... OH MY!

:soxwin:

:)

Brian26
06-12-2010, 06:22 PM
Not much to cheer about this season, so I really enjoyed the emotions of this game.

I said it in the gamethread, but this cuurent Flubs team's got nothing. I wouldn't be surprise if we sweep the series 6-0 this year.

PhillipsBubba
06-12-2010, 06:23 PM
Glad they beat the Cubs, but what does it matter?

Even the 1970 White Sox had a four game winning streak:?:.

soxlady8
06-12-2010, 06:23 PM
nice win today :)
It was a nailbitter towards the end, but we'll take it.

In the past I would have been really really thrilled, but with this team - we have to JUST WIN at this point in time, no matter who the opponent is.

I did not go to the game due to the threat of rain.
I found 20 buck tickets on StubHub for section 233 row 11 (2 together), but I kept checking the Doppler Radar and it kept showing rain all day.

The rain did not really appear towards the end, we should have went.
Oh well -- saw it from home and it was still great.

Brian26
06-12-2010, 06:23 PM
Aww, we spoiled Silva's little run. :redneck

He pitched a decent game, but it just shows what the level of competition in the NL is. Enjoy your first loss, Carlos.

Brian26
06-12-2010, 06:24 PM
When was the last time we swept them at Wrigley?

The glorious sweep of '99, I believe.

Frankfan4life
06-12-2010, 06:25 PM
Dare we make it five?That's going to be tough. Floyd needs to have a very good game tomorrow and the Sox need to bring the bats out like they did on Friday.

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 06:25 PM
Glad they beat the Cubs, but what does it matter?

Even the 1970 White Sox has a four game winning streak:?:.

It matters because at the very least, it's nice to be at .500 or above. And frankly, I find it more fun to beat the Cubs than, say, the Angels.

Craig Grebeck
06-12-2010, 06:26 PM
He pitched a decent game, but it just shows what the level of competition in the NL is. Enjoy your first loss, Carlos.
I think it goes to show how little less than half a season of data means. I don't doubt he'd do worse in the AL, as any pitcher would, but he pitched well today.

Brian26
06-12-2010, 06:26 PM
Buehrle and Bobby and Putz... OH MY!



Sergio did his job, too. Pitching was stellar today. Pitching has been outstanding lately except for the mini-meltdown yesterday out of the bullpen.

voodoochile
06-12-2010, 06:27 PM
Glad they beat the Cubs, but what does it matter?

Even the 1970 White Sox has a four game winning streak:?:.

:rolling:

Thanks, PB, where would we all be without you showing up to slap us back to reality? I mean gosh, people might actually enjoy watching a baseball game that their favorite team won, but thankfully there's you to show us the true path and meaning of it all...

I was just about to run free down the road of life, hopping, skipping and smelling some flowers but fortunately you were there to prevent it. You and your road crew erecting signs to show me the error of my way...

:darkcloud:

voodoochile
06-12-2010, 06:28 PM
Sergio did his job, too. Pitching was stellar today. Pitching has been outstanding lately except for the mini-meltdown yesterday out of the bullpen.

Yes he did, but it didn't fit the meter...

Buehrle, Santos, Putz, Jenks, oh my... Meh...

JB98
06-12-2010, 06:28 PM
Not much to cheer about this season, so I really enjoyed the emotions of this game.

I said it in the gamethread, but this cuurent Flubs team's got nothing. I wouldn't be surprise if we sweep the series 6-0 this year.

I doubt the Sox will go 6-0 against the Flubs, but it is a fact the Sox have won the last five meetings with the Flubs dating back to last season.

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 06:29 PM
I doubt the Sox will go 6-0 against the Flubs, but it is a fact the Sox have won the last five meetings with the Flubs dating back to last season.

And we now lead the all-time series record by 4 games, I believe.

Now, if only the Twins could lose tonight....

johnnyg83
06-12-2010, 06:31 PM
1 BB by our pitchers today and 11Ks ... this was supposed to be the model.

Come on, .500 by the All-Star Break.

SaltyPretzel
06-12-2010, 06:32 PM
Who's pitching for the Cubs tomorrow?

TDog
06-12-2010, 06:32 PM
This was a great ballgame, the way the White Sox should have been winning all year, and I wish I could have seen it. Buehrle didn't have no-hit stuff, and as it turned out, he could only make it through seven. but twice he shut the Cubs down after giving up back-to-back hits to lead off innings.

Konerko came up huge, and he had to. He could have walked in his great at bat before driving in the second run. The fact that he didn't points out how deceptive on-base percentages with runners in scoring position can be. Often it's a matter of pitchers pitching around hitters. Other times it has more to do with players who are more interested in getting on base than driving in the run. When Kotsay walked in the ninth, I was afraid it wouldn't have worked out as well as a sacrifice fly, and as it turned out it didn't. (A sacrifice fly, of course, lowers your on-base percentage.)

Carlos Silva has been pitching great this year. He beat the Rangers in a DH game for his sixth win (the Cubs proving they had the better hitting coach), so he is now 6-0 against the NL and 1-1 against the AL. From the highlight I saw after the second Konerko hit, I'm guessing Silva still believes he should be undefeated. But Buehrle deserved to win more.

If you have Jenks and Thornton and Putz and Santos in the bullpen, you shouldn't lose games if you turn it over to the pen with the lead in the seventh or later. Today Jenks seemed not to be able to get his curveball over. At lead I didn't see any that were called for strikes. Fortunately, Jenks had a margin for error today.

Since last Sunday when the Sox came back after Buehrle's previous poor start, the starters have looked great. Really, the Sox should have a six-game winning streak, but I will be happy if they can extend it to four Sunday night, although playing a Sunday night game in Wrigley Field is simply wrong.

JB98
06-12-2010, 06:32 PM
And we now lead the all-time series record by 4 games, I believe.

Now, if only the Twins could lose tonight....

Correct, it is 39-35 all-time in favor of the Sox.

RadioheadRocks
06-12-2010, 06:33 PM
Also nice we didn't get saddled with Joe Buck.

Amen to that! :cheers:

october23sp
06-12-2010, 06:33 PM
Glad they beat the Cubs, but what does it matter?

Even the 1970 White Sox has a four game winning streak:?:.

What does anything matter? What is this silly game? Why have I spent 8 years of my life obsessing over something?

To quote Joe Dirt, "it just does."

soxinem1
06-12-2010, 06:34 PM
Glad they beat the Cubs, but what does it matter?

Even the 1970 White Sox has a four game winning streak:?:.

They also won three in a row on two other separate occasions.

Let's hope the similarities stop there.

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 06:34 PM
Who's pitching for the Cubs tomorrow?

Lilly.

Frankfan4life
06-12-2010, 06:35 PM
He pitched a decent game, but it just shows what the level of competition in the NL is. Enjoy your first loss, Carlos.Wow, Silva with the surly postgame interview. I have a feeling he hates the Sox right about now. No doubt, we totally rained on his parade.

october23sp
06-12-2010, 06:37 PM
Wow, Silva with the surly postgame interview. I have a feeling he hates the Sox right about now. No doubt, we totally rained on his parade.

The Cubs don't get parades remember?

Rocky Soprano
06-12-2010, 06:38 PM
Come on, .500 by the All-Star Break.

Considering how bad this year has been, .500 by the break would be huge. I really hope the Sox are getting ready to go on a nice run.

PhillipsBubba
06-12-2010, 06:40 PM
What does anything matter? What is this silly game? Why have I spent 8 years of my life obsessing over something?

To quote Joe Dirt, "it just does."

http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bah-humbug.jpg

sox1970
06-12-2010, 06:42 PM
1 BB by our pitchers today and 11Ks ... this was supposed to be the model.

Come on, .500 by the All-Star Break.

To get legitimately back in it, they're going to have to do a little more than that. Try 18-8, to get to 46-41...and then go up to Minnesota after the break and win 3 out of 4. That will probably get them back into it.

Frankfan4life
06-12-2010, 06:47 PM
The Cubs don't get parades remember?Some in the media don't think the Sox had one either judging from some comments made during the Blackhawks celebration.

SoxSpeed22
06-12-2010, 06:52 PM
Holy crap. A winning streak. Great to see Buehrle change locations much better, compared to the center of the plate as we have seen this year.

PhillipsBubba
06-12-2010, 07:01 PM
Seriously, I'm glad they won but I have concerns:

Beckham can't hit
Quentin can't hit
Jenks is always an adventure
The Twins are damn good
The front office turmoil
What will Teahan do when he comes back
The DH merry-go-round
Jason Nix (Why????)

Frater Perdurabo
06-12-2010, 07:04 PM
A 2-1 win, started by Buehrle, in which he goes 6.2 innings, lasts three hours? Still, I will take the win. Let's sweep tomorrow.

Not sweeping would be an enormous letdown, but nevertheless by winning the first two at Wrigley, the Sox have passed the first "milepost to avoid being blown up," originally posted here (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=120843&page=3):

If they fail at any of these mileposts, then it's time to blow it up. But succeeding at one should give them the right to strive toward the next one.

Win two of three at the Urinal. Check

Go 12-6 for the rest of June.

Get to .500 by the All Star Break.

Have a winning record on the road trip to MIN, SEA and OAK.

Win at least 3/5 at home against SEA and OAK from July 26-30.

If they reach all these mileposts while standing pat, KW needs to be a buyer on Saturday, July 31.

Failure at any milepost should trigger a sell-off.

RadioheadRocks
06-12-2010, 07:06 PM
The Cubs don't get parades remember?


:rolling:

soxinem1
06-12-2010, 07:07 PM
Wow, Silva with the surly postgame interview. I have a feeling he hates the Sox right about now. No doubt, we totally rained on his parade.

Hopefully when he faces us next time at The Cell he will be all the way back down to earth and give us one of his 3 IP, 10 H, 8 ER specials.

Frater Perdurabo
06-12-2010, 07:08 PM
Seriously, I'm glad they won but I have concerns:

Beckham can't hit
Quentin can't hit
Jenks is always an adventure
The Twins are damn good
The front office turmoil
What will Teahan do when he comes back
The DH merry-go-round
Jason Nix (Why????)

Teahen was starting to hit when he got hurt. I would have him DH and bat fifth. He's a better hitter than Kotsay, and Vizquel is a much better fielder at third. That solves your last three concerns.

Frankfan4life
06-12-2010, 07:13 PM
Hopefully when he faces us next time at The Cell he will be all the way back down to earth and give us one of his 3 IP, 10 H, 8 ER specials.He's due (actually, overdue!).

TDog
06-12-2010, 07:13 PM
Glad they beat the Cubs, but what does it matter?

Even the 1970 White Sox has a four game winning streak:?:.

They had a couple. And they had Jerry Crider, Jerry Janeski and after a midseason trade, Barry Moore in the starting rotation. And on June 12, they improved to 22-35, just 15.5 games out of first, on the strength of a Tommy John shutout. The 1976 White Sox won 10 straight at one point but lost 96 game as it should be s overall.

There is no comparison between the 1970 and 2010 White Sox. Statistics don't do the team justice.

You probably don't want to hear comparisons to the 1983 White Sox either. They were 26-31 on June 12. Fortunately, baseball's trading deadline was June 15 in those days (as it should be now) and the Sox only traded second basemen with the Mariners, despite having a big-money free agent pitcher who had been pitching like crap and other underachievers.

Even if you find it worthy of an eye-rolling icon, this White Sox team compares better with the 1983 White Sox than the 1970 White Sox.

SouthSideSid
06-12-2010, 07:15 PM
It can't get any sweeter - now, let's go Braves - make it a perfect day.

TheVulture
06-12-2010, 07:23 PM
. Fortunately, baseball's trading deadline was June 15 in those days (as it should be now) and the Sox only traded second basemen with the Mariners, despite having a big-money free agent pitcher who had been pitching like crap and other underachievers.

Even if you find it worthy of an eye-rolling icon, this White Sox team compares better with the 1983 White Sox than the 1970 White Sox.

Unfortunately, the 2010 Sox play in the division with the 2010 Twins. The '83 AL West division besides the Sox had to be one of the worst divisions in the history of the 7 team format. The rest of the division went .443 and the Sox ate em up.

Patrick134
06-12-2010, 07:47 PM
Unfortunately, the 2010 Sox play in the division with the 2010 Twins. The '83 AL West division besides the Sox had to be one of the worst divisions in the history of the 7 team format. The rest of the division went .443 and the Sox ate em up.


If this sox team is in the mode where they are playing well, and more importantly, where the starting pitching is going well, they can easily compete with the twins. If the sox play like they did in april-may, they couldn't compete with anyone.

thomas35forever
06-12-2010, 08:08 PM
Four in a row? What's gotten into this team? Can we keep this up a little longer so there can be hope for the season?

TheCommander
06-12-2010, 08:59 PM
:twinslose

:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

sox1970
06-12-2010, 09:00 PM
7 back in the loss column. 13 head-to-head. Plenty of time.

Hitmen77
06-12-2010, 09:18 PM
The Cubs don't get parades remember?

Post of the week.

Frater Perdurabo
06-12-2010, 09:18 PM
If this sox team is in the mode where they are playing well, and more importantly, where the starting pitching is going well, they can easily compete with the twins. If the sox play like they did in april-may, they couldn't compete with anyone.

The Sox are 12-15 against the AL Central.

That losing record is due entirely to their abysmal 4-8 record against the Indians.

They are 1 game over .500 against all other division opponents (3-3 v. Royals, 2-3 v. Twins, 3-1 v. Tigers).

Turning around that despicable 4-8 against the Indians would put the Sox right in the thick of things.

Baron
06-12-2010, 09:58 PM
Great this team is giving people false hope again....Im sure reality will hit again soon....hopefully this winning streak hasnt phased Kenny.

RadioheadRocks
06-12-2010, 10:02 PM
Great this team is giving people false hope again....Im sure reality will hit again soon....hopefully this winning streak hasnt phased Kenny.


http://www.vikkicarrdiscography.net/SINGLE-24.jpg

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 10:15 PM
Great this team is giving people false hope again....Im sure reality will hit again soon....hopefully this winning streak hasnt phased Kenny.

What a bright ray of sunshine!

Baron
06-12-2010, 10:19 PM
What a bright ray of sunshine!


Your quite welcome....I fell for this act so many times with other sports teams it makes me sick.....Winning is good sure...but when a team like this that should be dismantled starts getting"hot" and gives fans hope...just about the worst thing that could have happened because it will all come crashing down

GoGoCrede
06-12-2010, 10:23 PM
Your quite welcome....I fell for this act so many times with other sports teams it makes me sick.....Winning is good sure...but when a team like this that should be dismantled starts getting"hot" and gives fans hope...just about the worst thing that could have happened because it will all come crashing down

Oh, I agree that changes need to be made, and I hope they are made. But I'm still happy about this current streak we're on, and am interested to see where it goes. If it grows cold, I won't be surprised and I'll go on with life as usual. But if it keeps going, we'll be in for an interesting summer.

102605
06-12-2010, 11:02 PM
Make it 5!

SBSoxFan
06-13-2010, 12:13 AM
I was watching the game on and off, and turned it back on once just in time to see Pierre's AB in the 8th. I was :angry:, but I just saw his SB that led to the second run, so I guess that evened out. I also got to see Rios robbed of yet another hit in the 3rd.

I also just read that Buehrle is now 21-6 in interleague play, which ties him for the most IL wins with Mike Mussina.

Also heard on the radio before the game started that Silva was 4-10 against the Sox coming in ... make that 4-11. :smile:

I also heard that the White Sox players have some real good numbers against Lilly.

Come on

:sweep

Dibbs
06-13-2010, 12:38 AM
Wow, this is the first time I have been excited since the opening day win. I actually checked the standings to see if the Twins lost. Truth be told, this team is going nowhere, but it is fun to see them win some games.

TDog
06-13-2010, 12:51 AM
Unfortunately, the 2010 Sox play in the division with the 2010 Twins. The '83 AL West division besides the Sox had to be one of the worst divisions in the history of the 7 team format. The rest of the division went .443 and the Sox ate em up.

The American League pretty much played a balanced schedule in 1983. The 1983 White Sox played 12 games against each of the seven West team and 13 games against each of the six other West teams, and they finished the season with a long West Coast road trip, during which they were no-hit in Oakland. The White Sox finished the season with the league's best record. They had 99 wins. Baltimore had 98. Detroit had 92. The Yankees had 91. Only six of the 14 teams in the league finished above .500.

The White Sox were clearly one of the best two teams in the league, and had the best record. They won just five of 12 from the Orioles, but they won eight of 12 from the Tigers, who had the third best record in the league, finishing six games behind the Orioles.

It is true that had the Indians been in the West and the White Sox in the East, there might have been no team in the West with more wins than losses while four teams in the East might have had more than 90 wins because there wouldn't have been much difference in the schedules.

The 1983 White Sox won their division by 20 games because they played in a weak division. But the weak division had little to do with the 1983 White Sox coming close to winning 100 games after finishing both April and May with losing records.

You don't have to believe in the 2010 White Sox, but don't not believe in the 1983 White Sox.

guillensdisciple
06-13-2010, 01:07 AM
7 back in the loss column. 13 head-to-head. Plenty of time.


This is exactly what I look at to give me hope that we still have a chance this season. I have had an underlying belief that this team was just underperforming, and I was calling it quits and enraged that they lost without playing their best.

I am hoping that this begins their effort to play their best baseball, and we see a shift in numbers thanks to that.

EDIT: I know some of you guys hate this run and its false hope, but this team might give you guys false hope until the end of June. 3 vs the Pirates, Nationals, Royals, Braves, and Cubs (no particular order). You guys might be seeing a completely different dynamic in regards to record between now and then.

In all honety, this team could be in contention by the end of June. Something to keep in mind, and not put hope in.

Foulke You
06-13-2010, 02:46 AM
This is exactly what I look at to give me hope that we still have a chance this season. I have had an underlying belief that this team was just underperforming, and I was calling it quits and enraged that they lost without playing their best.

I am hoping that this begins their effort to play their best baseball, and we see a shift in numbers thanks to that.

EDIT: I know some of you guys hate this run and its false hope, but this team might give you guys false hope until the end of June. 3 vs the Pirates, Nationals, Royals, Braves, and Cubs (no particular order). You guys might be seeing a completely different dynamic in regards to record between now and then.

In all honety, this team could be in contention by the end of June. Something to keep in mind, and not put hope in.
I've felt they were way underperforming all year too. I don't think this is a bad team. I think it is a woefully underachieving team, especially in the starting pitching and offense. With the starting pitching finally starting to pitch as we all envisioned, it is nice to dream and think about a prolonged winning streak. However, as I said in a previous thread, I would just like this team to play some meaningful baseball in the 2nd half. Don't be "playing out the string" before the All Star Break.

pudge
06-13-2010, 04:04 AM
If you have Jenks and Thornton and Putz and Santos in the bullpen, you shouldn't lose games if you turn it over to the pen with the lead in the seventh or later.

:rolleyes:

Santos has been nice but an unproven commodity, Putz and Jenks are not the same guys they were a couple years ago. This team needs to be able to score. 2-1 in the 7th is far from a sure thing, unless you're playing hapless losers like the Cubs.

october23sp
06-13-2010, 04:15 AM
If we sweep this series' it will be enough to bring back hope in this season for me. I know I predicted 101 losses, and I hope we get 101 wins, but the Sox have always been good heartbreakers except in 05.

Speaking of 05, the Tribe being down by 15 games and coming as close as they did is what really makes me just not care about how "statistically possible" it is for the Sox to win the division. That doesn't mean I think the White Sox are the 05 Indians or that we will even finish above .500, all I'm saying is that teams can go on runs and I don't need computers to tell me so.

Also, the Twins are not nearly as good as we have made them out to be. Seriously, today they had in their lineup: Plouffe (?), Harris, Punto, none of those guys are any good at all. They have Mauer and Morneau? We have Paulie and Rios.

And even though I'm the biggest anti-Peavy person on this board, if he does pick it up to even remotely close to his Cy Young self, and if Buehrle does what he did today and if Danks and Garcia keep it up we will be a pretty good team.

Now of course we know that this team can under perform, and if they do, they are baaaaaaaad. But when they don't they can be mighty good. 15-3, 3-0, 10-5, 2-1. That's a new way of winning a game each day, before they found new ways to lose a game each day, if this team gets to .500 at the end of June, my hope-o-meter will be running at full strength.

harwar
06-13-2010, 08:21 AM
The rest of june, the only really tough team we play is atlanta, while the twins have some easy teams, they also they have to play the phillies and the mets away from home .. there's no question that the White Sox will have to sweep the pirates and the cubs, while winning the braves and nats(bad luck tht we drew strasburg)series, if this season is to turn .. get on a roll and keep rolling ..

soltrain21
06-13-2010, 08:26 AM
The worst thing that could happen to this team is management being tricked into thinking the team is still contending and no moves are made.

However, if the Sox can get within 4-5 games by end of June/first week of July than you are right in contention again for the stretch run, and hell, might become a buyer.

That said - sweep the Cubs and let's go from there.

BRDSR
06-13-2010, 08:39 AM
Probably 1999. That also sent the Cubs into a slide in which they never really recovered.

Actually, in mid-September, 1909, the Cubs played a five-game series against the Brooklyn Dodgers in which they went 1-3-1. They managed to go 12-4 the rest of the season, but it wasn't enough to overcome a solid Pittsburgh Pirates team that won the National League by 6.5 games, despite only going 10-6 in their final 16 games. If the Cubs were to have any chance to overtake the Pirates for the pennant that season, they really needed to have a solid series against the Dodgers.

I think that was the series that sent the Cubs into a slide from which they never really recovered. :redneck

soxfanreggie
06-13-2010, 09:38 AM
The worst thing that could happen to this team is management being tricked into thinking the team is still contending and no moves are made.

However, if the Sox can get within 4-5 games by end of June/first week of July than you are right in contention again for the stretch run, and hell, might become a buyer.

That said - sweep the Cubs and let's go from there.

With our starting pitching staff's talent, we can win this thing if we're within 4or 5 by that point. Heck, just imagine if some of our under-performers started hitting for average.

You're exactly right though that we shouldn't hold this team as-is and that a sweep would be oh-so-great!

TDog
06-13-2010, 11:33 AM
:rolleyes:

Santos has been nice but an unproven commodity, Putz and Jenks are not the same guys they were a couple years ago. This team needs to be able to score. 2-1 in the 7th is far from a sure thing, unless you're playing hapless losers like the Cubs.

Of course, no bullpen is automatic. The Twins lost Saturday at home on a ninth-inning suicide squeeze. But if you have three or four strong relievers and you have a lead in the seventh or eighth inning, you should win the game. You don't always win the game, but you should. Last Sunday the White Sox won 8-7 despite poor starting pitching. Saturday they were facing a starting pitcher who was undefeated with an ERA under 3 and they won 2-1 because they got great starting pitching.

The only pitcher to have two blown saves on the Sox this year (losing the lead in relief after the fifth inning) is Thornton. Putz has only lost one lead, and that was in a game where the White Sox came back to win, scoring seven runs. Jenks has one blown save and a loss in a game where the White Sox scored seven. Linebrink has a blown save in a White Sox win. Williams has one and Thornton has two in lower scoring games. Tony Pena has an extra-innings loss, but no blown saves.

That's comparable to most teams with solid bullpens. The Twins have eight more wins than the White Sox and more save opportunities (although they may play in fewer close games) and I can recall five blown saves from their bullpen, including two from their closer.

BadBobbyJenks
06-13-2010, 11:34 AM
I really enjoy beating the Cubs.

Brian26
06-13-2010, 11:56 AM
The American League pretty much played a balanced schedule in 1983. The 1983 White Sox played 12 games against each of the seven West team and 13 games against each of the six other West teams, and they finished the season with a long West Coast road trip, during which they were no-hit in Oakland. The White Sox finished the season with the league's best record. They had 99 wins. Baltimore had 98. Detroit had 92. The Yankees had 91. Only six of the 14 teams in the league finished above .500.

The White Sox were clearly one of the best two teams in the league, and had the best record. They won just five of 12 from the Orioles, but they won eight of 12 from the Tigers, who had the third best record in the league, finishing six games behind the Orioles.

It is true that had the Indians been in the West and the White Sox in the East, there might have been no team in the West with more wins than losses while four teams in the East might have had more than 90 wins because there wouldn't have been much difference in the schedules.

The 1983 White Sox won their division by 20 games because they played in a weak division. But the weak division had little to do with the 1983 White Sox coming close to winning 100 games after finishing both April and May with losing records.

You don't have to believe in the 2010 White Sox, but don't not believe in the 1983 White Sox.

Phenomenal post.

Frater Perdurabo
06-13-2010, 05:04 PM
They have Mauer and Morneau? We have Paulie and Rios.

They also have Kubel and Cuddyer and Span and Thome.

Things wouldn't be so bleak if Quentin and Beckham didn't completely suck.

october23sp
06-13-2010, 05:07 PM
They also have Kubel and Cuddyer and Span and Thome.

Things wouldn't be so bleak if Quentin and Beckham didn't completely suck.

Agreed with the 2nd part, if they do come around, look out.

Frater Perdurabo
06-13-2010, 05:10 PM
Agreed with the 2nd part, if they do come around, look out.

How bad is it that we all were counting on Beckham and Quentin to be the #2 and #3 hitters? Some people were talking about having Rios hit ninth.