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Viva Medias B's
05-07-2010, 10:22 PM
Have at it.

soxinem1
05-07-2010, 10:22 PM
I don't know, is this another 'all-stuff, no result' bullpen?

Better yet, will this team ever just play to the career numbers of its players?

A big dose of *** tonight. They battle, actually get a lead, promptly blow it, then this.

Fitting Pierre makes the last out.

:angry::angry::angry:

KnightSox
05-07-2010, 10:22 PM
That sucked.

CLR01
05-07-2010, 10:23 PM
This must be that run that was talked about...

JB98
05-07-2010, 10:23 PM
Pierre and Vizquel would have been a good 1-2 punch at the top of a lineup seven years ago.

Tonight: 1 for 11.

Nights like tonight are games that separate good teams from bad.

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:23 PM
Pierre 0 for 6 ...... .

asindc
05-07-2010, 10:23 PM
Pierre is killing us right now.

A. Cavatica
05-07-2010, 10:23 PM
Pierre 0-6. Good think Ozzie dropped him out of the leadoff spot for six hours.

spongyfungy
05-07-2010, 10:24 PM
What a wasted pitching performance all around because of one guy who is supposed to be the best pitcher in the bullpen.

Tragg
05-07-2010, 10:25 PM
8 hits in 13 innings.
Thanks again, Ozzie...and Kenny for listening to Ozzie and his low-obp philosophy.

Let's see if we can trade more young players for declining 30+ year old veterans to make Ozzie happy.

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:25 PM
This team is heading towards financial hell.

They keep this up, even with warmer temparatures they will have 25K at the parks at most.

No prospects + over-paid garbage = Baltimore Orioles.

Viva Medias B's
05-07-2010, 10:25 PM
What a wasted pitching performance all around because of one guy who is supposed to be the best pitcher in the bullpen.

Jenks wasn't all that sharp either; I think he is through if you ask me.

theamb
05-07-2010, 10:26 PM
Putz,

You're a putz

Konerko05
05-07-2010, 10:26 PM
I think I give up.

But I'll continue to torture myself watching this pathetic team. .

veeter
05-07-2010, 10:26 PM
I'm still baffled by Ozzie's insistance to use Bobby in non-save situations. Why let Mark pitch to Wells? Yes, Pierre, Quentin and others suck right now, but Ozzie is a dope.

DrCrawdad
05-07-2010, 10:26 PM
I don't know, is this another 'all-stuff, no result' bullpen?

Better yet, will this team ever just play to the career numbers of its players?

A big dose of *** tonight. They battle, actually get a lead, promptly blow it, then this.

Fitting Pierre makes the last out.

:angry::angry::angry:

On a weak (rear end) grounder too! If I were an opposing team I'd pull an outfielder and put him in the infield when Pierre bats.

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:27 PM
And Guillen still cannot wait to get the fat man in there on non save situations when everyone knows he can't pitch under sutch circumstances.


Guillen is clueless.

sox1970
05-07-2010, 10:27 PM
Pierre is killing us right now.

He's should be on an NL bench. Oh wait....

DirtySox
05-07-2010, 10:28 PM
No prospects + over-paid garbage = Baltimore Orioles.

Except Baltimore has plenty of prospects and recently graduated Wieters and soon to be Matusz. Baltimore is recently top 5 in draft spending, White Sox = bottom 5.

theamb
05-07-2010, 10:29 PM
He's should be on an NL bench. Oh wait....

As should Vizquel

soxfan1965
05-07-2010, 10:29 PM
That 9th inning popup bunt wasted the AJ home run and the two great innings of Thornton.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 10:29 PM
LOL. I did end up going to this game at the last minute, because my friend had free tickets in the front row of 119.

I left in the top of the 9th when Bobby loaded the bases because I have a final tomorrow. I wanted to see the game the whole way through, but it looks like I missed nothing....:angry: Losing attendance record yet again.

veeter
05-07-2010, 10:29 PM
Except Baltimore has plenty of prospects and recently graduated Wieters and soon to be Mastuz.I hope they have prospects after sucking for twenty years.

Tragg
05-07-2010, 10:30 PM
Except Baltimore has plenty of prospects and recently graduated Wieters and soon to be Mastuz.The Orioles 5 years ago.

The scouting is bad.
The talent evaluation from the field manager is laughable and has been for 3 seasons plus.
the payroll management is ridiculous.

PhillipsBubba
05-07-2010, 10:30 PM
I wonder how the organizational apologists are going to spin this one?

sox1970
05-07-2010, 10:31 PM
As should Vizquel

That's being generous. I think Vizquel's career will be over by the All-star break. The Sox won't have any use for him by July, so they'll release him. And then no team will want him because he can't do much anymore.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 10:31 PM
So did Putz give up a three-run bomb? I never did find out how Toronto got 7.

DirtySox
05-07-2010, 10:32 PM
Oh, and this team is not good. /echo

Woofer
05-07-2010, 10:32 PM
This season is just about over. This team just makes too many mental mistakes, Ozzie makes poor decisions with the bullpen, and does not execute when the game is on the line.

sox1970
05-07-2010, 10:32 PM
So did Putz give up a three-run bomb? I never did find out how Toronto got 7.

Got the first two out in the 12th. Walk to Overbay, single, homer to Gonzalez.

thomas35forever
05-07-2010, 10:33 PM
There's no hope for this season. We just flat out suck.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 10:33 PM
Got the first two out in the 12th. Walk to Overbay, single, homer to Gonzalez.

Ugh. I was feeling so horrible about the fact that I left the game early....apparently I missed an ugly one.

DirtySox
05-07-2010, 10:35 PM
Does Romero go tomorrow?

SephClone89
05-07-2010, 10:35 PM
Does Romero go tomorrow?

Cecil tomorrow, Romero Sunday.

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:35 PM
Are we honestly paying $7.5 million for Jenks?

theamb
05-07-2010, 10:35 PM
That's being generous. I think Vizquel's career will be over by the All-star break. The Sox won't have any use for him by July, so they'll release him. And then no team will want him because he can't do much anymore.

I don't blame Vizquel, per se. In reality, he is only a defensive replacement at this point in his career.

Which is why I was dumbfounded at him hitting in the #2 hole behind Juan "sparkplug" Pierre

Frankfan4life
05-07-2010, 10:35 PM
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry023.gifThis is one brutally bad team!

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:36 PM
Cecil tomorrow, Romero Sunday.


Sounds like a sweep.

If so, heads will roll.

CLR01
05-07-2010, 10:36 PM
Ugh. I was feeling so horrible about the fact that I left the game early....apparently I missed an ugly one.


We're placing the blame for this one squarely on your shoulders. Ozzie and the guys thank you.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 10:37 PM
Sounds like a sweep.

If so, heads will roll.

No, they won't. They haven't so far. What's another series loss gonna do, if it happens?

sox1970
05-07-2010, 10:37 PM
Sounds like a sweep.

If so, heads will roll.

Promise? :redneck

Domeshot17
05-07-2010, 10:37 PM
Buehrle left in too long? Yup
Jenks used in another non save situation? Yup
Lineup unbalanced? Yup

Good thing Ozzie doesn't do anything that negatively impacts the outcome of games

CLR01
05-07-2010, 10:37 PM
Sounds like a sweep.

If so, heads will roll.

Doubtful.

sox1970
05-07-2010, 10:37 PM
Big Frank: It's early.

Ok, dude.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 10:38 PM
We're placing the blame for this one squarely on your shoulders. Ozzie and the guys thank you.

Yeah, well. The A I'll be getting on my final will be worth it. Suck on it, Ozzie! Studying never let me down as much as you have! :tongue:

thomas35forever
05-07-2010, 10:40 PM
Team BA: .225, worst in ML
Total number of hits: 211, tied for worst in ML
Team OBP: .310, 4th worst in ML and 3rd worst in AL

What more do you need to know?

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:40 PM
Promise? :redneck


Sadly, this is getting Lovie Smith bad where you almost start rooting for your team to lose so that the axe comes down.

sox1970
05-07-2010, 10:41 PM
Sadly, this is getting Lovie Smith bad where you almost start rooting for your team to lose so that the axe comes down.

I hear ya, brother.

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:42 PM
Big Frank: It's early.

Ok, dude.


Well, Frank can't go on a Jack McDowell rant or else he's out of a job.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 10:43 PM
I wonder if yanking Buehrle before he walked the bases loaded would've made any difference.

theamb
05-07-2010, 10:43 PM
Team BA: .225, worst in ML
Total number of hits: 211, tied for worst in ML
Team OBP: .310, 4th worst in ML and 3rd worst in AL

What more do you need to know?

This team needs Brian Anderson to reignite the offense

If anyone can do it, it's him

Tragg
05-07-2010, 10:45 PM
Sounds like a sweep.

If so, heads will roll.

Yea- they'll fire Greg Walker....scapegoat city.

Damn if we only had a hitting coach, Vizquel, Kotsay and Pierre would be hitting!

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:46 PM
Team BA: .225, worst in ML
Total number of hits: 211, tied for worst in ML
Team OBP: .310, 4th worst in ML and 3rd worst in AL

What more do you need to know?


I honestly miss those Jerry Manuel teams where we can slug it out with anyone. Stopping other teams from scoring was a problem, but boy it was fun to actually go to battle and light up the scoreboard.

spongyfungy
05-07-2010, 10:46 PM
Jenks wasn't all that sharp either; I think he is through if you ask me.

yeah, that's who I meant. :redneck Buehrle was fine IMO. Putz is going to give some up every now and then. Jenks has allowed way more than Putz though this season

JB98
05-07-2010, 10:47 PM
Yea- they'll fire Greg Walker....scapegoat city.

Damn if we only had a hitting coach, Vizquel, Kotsay and Pierre would be hitting!

Yeah, Vizquel, Kotsay and Pierre suck. But you have to wonder what is going on coaching wise when talented younger players like Beckham, Quentin and Ramirez are all in terrible spins at the same time.

thomas35forever
05-07-2010, 10:47 PM
I honestly miss those Jerry Manuel teams where we can slug it out with anyone. Stopping other teams from scoring was a problem, but boy it was fun to actually go to battle and light up the scoreboard.
If it makes you feel any better, it's still a home-run-or-nothing offense.

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:50 PM
If it makes you feel any better, it's still a home-run-or-nothing offense.


Actually, those Jerry Manuel teams could double you to death also. Magglio would be top 5-10 in the league in doubles each year. Ray Durham and Carlos Lee would hit a few Doubles too.

Jurr
05-07-2010, 10:51 PM
Actually, those Jerry Manuel teams could double you to death also. Magglio would be top 5-10 in the league in doubles each year. Ray Durham and Carlos Lee would hit a few Doubles too.

Man, the steroid era was a beautiful thing.

sox1970
05-07-2010, 10:54 PM
http://twitter.com/ChrisRongey/status/13584638465

Ranger calling out Juan Pierre. Nice.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 10:55 PM
http://twitter.com/ChrisRongey/status/13584638465

Ranger calling out Juan Pierre. Nice.

Ha. This could be any number of guys he's referring to.

SephClone89
05-07-2010, 10:56 PM
Rongey is very correct right now in the post.

This is on the offense, again.

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:56 PM
http://twitter.com/ChrisRongey/status/13584638465

Ranger calling out Juan Pierre. Nice.


How do you know he's directing that towards Juan?

sox1970
05-07-2010, 10:57 PM
Ha. This could be any number of guys he's referring to.

I think this was sent after the Pierre bunt debacle.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 10:57 PM
How do you know he's directing that towards Juan?


Exactly. For all we know, it's about a coworker or something.

SephClone89
05-07-2010, 10:58 PM
Yeah, that was tweeted right after the bunt thing.

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 10:59 PM
Rongey is very correct right now in the post.

This is on the offense, again.


I remember it like yesterday. It was late September when Rongey on a post game show said that there was no way in hell management was going to waste a solid starting roation for yet another season because of bad offense.


Well, I guess they failed on their promise.

Although, the SP has been less than spectacular so far.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 11:01 PM
Apropos of nothing, I thought this thread title said, "Are we sure this isn't a rebuilding year?"

Hmm...mind playing tricks on me. :cool:

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 11:01 PM
Exactly. For all we know, it's about a coworker or something.


It was probably for the guy screening the calls.

Dibbs
05-07-2010, 11:05 PM
Ozzie is a moron. Note to Ozzie: Do not bring Jenks in to start an inning when the game is tied. Oz will make the same stupid mistakes over and over and over again. I don't know if he just wants to see how far he can push things before we actually do something about it.

slavko
05-07-2010, 11:07 PM
I don't know, is this another 'all-stuff, no result' bullpen?



Putz stuff impressive, no heart when his location failed him against Wells, got worse from there. Thornton's location never failed, so the heart question didn't come up. Had 'em dazzled with 97 MPH high stuff. Which is the best place to throw heat so gravity doesn't help the bat catch up with the ball. I can't remember how many times I've posted this, but Pierre is killing the team. He belongs on a bench. A park bench.

soxlady8
05-07-2010, 11:10 PM
Buehrls pitched fairly well and we had some runs. Bobby was not at his best !! I am still at the Cell at the Bullpen Bar watching the Hawks win. This team is so wishy washy !!!!!

LoveYourSuit
05-07-2010, 11:17 PM
Buehrls pitched fairly well and we had some runs. Bobby was not at his best !! I am still at the Cell at the Bullpen Bar watching the Hawks win. This team is so wishy washy !!!!!


Nice of them to allow you guys to stay at the Bar. I can't stand the way they throw people out like dogs at that place.

They might be hurting for revenue, keep the lights on!

Dick Allen
05-07-2010, 11:18 PM
I seriously cannot take watching this team anymore. I can't remember the last time I gave up on a season this early. The manager is an idiot whose managerial blunders get magnified with inferior personnel. We have a leadoff man who is hitting 100 points below his career average and looks horrible doing it. It seems that whenever they do hit the ball hard, it's right at someone. Last year, it seemed we waited all season for them to start hitting, which never happened. I don't want to waste another summer doing that, I'm not getting any younger.

DaveFeelsRight
05-07-2010, 11:22 PM
i hate bobby jenks and juan pierre. that is all.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 11:24 PM
I gotta say, a ton of games this season have been more painful to me than getting my eyebrows threaded and waxed. Tonight wasn't much different.


Something's gotta give. I'm not on the "Fire everyone!!11!" bandwagon, but I honestly don't know how to fix things.

jabrch
05-07-2010, 11:26 PM
Except Baltimore has plenty of prospects and recently graduated Wieters and soon to be Matusz. Baltimore is recently top 5 in draft spending, White Sox = bottom 5.

And Baltimore has been amongst the worst team in baseball, picking top 5, for many many many years. They haven't had a .500 finish in 13 years.

Want that?

CWSpalehoseCWS
05-07-2010, 11:30 PM
Was at the game tonight, and all I want to say is Pierre needs to go. Realistically he's a career .290 hitter, but this is ridiculous. I truly believe he is incapable of hitting a fly ball.

Hegewisch
05-07-2010, 11:35 PM
I was at the game in the cold wind. It looked good until the Blue Jays came back. Then, tied up again. People in my section really stalked out when Pierre blew the bunt to cause extra innings. You never know what team is going to show up on any given game !!! W T F !?!

(Around the 5th inning, I actually thought the game would be over by 9:15) :rolleyes:

P.S. I was impressed by Kotsay.

soltrain21
05-07-2010, 11:36 PM
This team is in shambles.

GoGoCrede
05-07-2010, 11:36 PM
I was at the game in the cold wind. It looked good until the Blue Jays came back. Then, tied up again. People in my section really stalked out when Pierre blew the bunt to cause extra innings. You never know what team is going to show up on any given game !!! W T F !?!

(Around the 5th inning, I actually thought the game would be over by 9:15) :rolleyes:

P.S. I was impressed by Kotsay.

I thought this too and was really excited to get out of there early, so I wouldn't feel guilty about not staying home to study. As it happened, I bolted by 9:30 anyway.

Buehrle was absolutely flying. It was almost perfect....except when he walked the bases loaded. Then the wheels fell off.

DirtySox
05-07-2010, 11:42 PM
And Baltimore has been amongst the worst team in baseball, picking top 5, for many many many years. They haven't had a .500 finish in 13 years.

Want that?

Not really. But that wasn't my assertion at all. I merely refuted the no prospects portion of his statement.

hi im skot
05-07-2010, 11:42 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HqJzpiCcbpE/Sjfe2nKXr_I/AAAAAAAAARc/SUb2xtrudpE/s400/BackwardsGun.jpg

soltrain21
05-07-2010, 11:45 PM
And Baltimore has been amongst the worst team in baseball, picking top 5, for many many many years. They haven't had a .500 finish in 13 years.

Want that?

Where you pick in the draft really has nothing to do with how much you spend in the draft.

Frankfan4life
05-07-2010, 11:48 PM
I seriously cannot take watching this team anymore. I can't remember the last time I gave up on a season this early. The manager is an idiot whose managerial blunders get magnified with inferior personnel. We have a leadoff man who is hitting 100 points below his career average and looks horrible doing it. It seems that whenever they do hit the ball hard, it's right at someone. Last year, it seemed we waited all season for them to start hitting, which never happened. I don't want to waste another summer doing that, I'm not getting any younger.I think a lot of us would have more patience with this team if it weren't for 2007 and 2009. I can't take another lousy season. I'm feeling the same kind of frustration and disgust I felt those two years. This is not fair. I waited a whole season just to be totally disappointed by another bad-horrible-terrible...just plain http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry023.gifbaseball team. I expected much better than this. All my optimism is gone.

pudge
05-07-2010, 11:49 PM
This team is in shambles.

This is it, right here. A complete train wreck. I thought this team looked a little like '05 coming in, and it has turned out to be the anti-05.

soltrain21
05-07-2010, 11:49 PM
This is it, right here. A complete train wreck. I thought this team looked a little like '05 coming in, and it has turned out to be the anti-05.

Hi I'm Skot said they were in shambles around the 8th inning. Hell, they might have even been winning at the time.

Brian26
05-07-2010, 11:49 PM
The manager is an idiot whose managerial blunders get magnified with inferior personnel.

The bottom line is that we had no business playing 12 innings tonight. We should have lost much sooner. There was no reason in the world to keep Buehrle in the game to face Vernon Wells with the bases loaded and one out when Wells' career numbers were 19 for 38 vs Buehrle (yes, .500), in addition to being one of the best hitters on the team with the bases loaded, in addition to Wells only having hit into one doubleplay all year. Terrible decision by Ozzie, and the Sox got out of that jam by giving up only one run in spite of the poor decision.

Mohoney
05-08-2010, 12:03 AM
Yeah, Putz gave up the homer, but after AJ tied it in the 9th, there were still 0 outs.

They had the 9th, 10th, and 11th innings to score one damn run to win the game, and **** the bed yet again.

VMSNS
05-08-2010, 12:03 AM
I was able to make it to the bar and watch the last 4 innings.

Pierre is a ****ing bum. Ozzie is a moron.

End thread.

Boondock Saint
05-08-2010, 12:42 AM
In the gamethread, after Pierre popped up that bunt, Voodoo said "That bunt will piss Ozzie off".

Ozzie's official statement on it? "That's his game, that's how he plays. I'm fine with it."

Fire this man! Juan Pierre has been awful this entire season, save a four or five game streak that ran his BA up over .220 on the season, and Ozzie's okay with his monumental ****-up? I'm honestly starting to wonder if there's something to the belief that Ozzie plays favorites.

WhiteSox1989
05-08-2010, 12:59 AM
Fun times.

thomas35forever
05-08-2010, 01:20 AM
Everyone calling for Ozzie's firing, would you all like to pitch in the rest of the money he is owed on his contract?

chisoxjtrain
05-08-2010, 01:25 AM
I usually don't post in the post game thread but wow this game was horribly managed. You just don't leave someone in the game with the bases loaded when the batter bats .500 against him. Hell, I would have taken Buehrle out after the first man he put on base. Then, Putz was warming up in the 8th, then Ozzie puts Jenks in? That is plain dumb.

Boondock Saint
05-08-2010, 01:27 AM
Everyone calling for Ozzie's firing, would you all like to pitch in the rest of the money he is owed on his contract?

I'll put a fiver down on it.

CLR01
05-08-2010, 01:29 AM
Everyone calling for Ozzie's firing, would you all like to pitch in the rest of the money he is owed on his contract?


If they fire him I might actually make it a point to attend a game or two. So, yes, I guess I would.

But still what a incredibly ****ty reason to keep him.

Boondock Saint
05-08-2010, 01:32 AM
If they fire him I might actually make it a point to attend a game or two. So, yes, I guess I would.

But still what a incredibly ****ty reason to keep him.

This. How many people had this to say when we were calling for MacDougal's dismissal? Linebrink?

pudge
05-08-2010, 03:13 AM
In the gamethread, after Pierre popped up that bunt, Voodoo said "That bunt will piss Ozzie off".

Ozzie's official statement on it? "That's his game, that's how he plays. I'm fine with it."

Fire this man! Juan Pierre has been awful this entire season, save a four or five game streak that ran his BA up over .220 on the season, and Ozzie's okay with his monumental ****-up? I'm honestly starting to wonder if there's something to the belief that Ozzie plays favorites.

I don't know why people are so upset with the bunt. I thought it was a good call despite the crappy execution. Would you rather have Pierre swinging away at this point? I wouldn't.

The manager's horrible decision with the starting pitcher and the lineup's overall inability to produce outside of a long ball are again the killers.

harwar
05-08-2010, 06:08 AM
I don't know why people are so upset with the bunt. I thought it was a good call despite the crappy execution. Would you rather have Pierre swinging away at this point? I wouldn't.

The manager's horrible decision with the starting pitcher and the lineup's overall inability to produce outside of a long ball are again the killers.

yea, with overbay playing behind Alexi, if he just gets tht bunt down, we win .. good choice - poor execution .. also, from where i sit we could all tell Buehrle was tired and Putz should have come in .. the next 3 batters were righties .. i like Ozzie, but he lets tht macho bull**** get in the way sometimes .. i'm not ready to give up .. we have to find a way to win

kittle42
05-08-2010, 06:46 AM
Fire Ozzie tag.

But really, fire Ozzie.

Like seriously, he kept Buehrle in too long and then put Jenks in a non-save situation despite the numbers. Fire Ozzie.

russ99
05-08-2010, 07:47 AM
In the gamethread, after Pierre popped up that bunt, Voodoo said "That bunt will piss Ozzie off".

Ozzie's official statement on it? "That's his game, that's how he plays. I'm fine with it."

Fire this man! Juan Pierre has been awful this entire season, save a four or five game streak that ran his BA up over .220 on the season, and Ozzie's okay with his monumental ****-up? I'm honestly starting to wonder if there's something to the belief that Ozzie plays favorites.

Who else do we have on the big league and minor league roster that can lead off? If Mitchell wasn't hurt, he'd be the only choice. And don't say Rios, that would be a complete waste of his ability to drive in runs.

Pierre's the best choice, like it or not.

I love how people rail on every poor game Pierre has when the rest of the team isn't producing either. As a team we hit .174 last night. Do you expect Pierre to go 2-4 every day just because he's leading off? Besides, the guy's leading the league in SBs.

I'm sick to death of the ridiculous expectations of this fanbase right now and how some guys like Pierre and Ozzie are lambasted and others get a free pass, like that lump we have playing RF for us right now. I'm starting to hate that even more than the play of the team...

Medford Bobby
05-08-2010, 08:18 AM
Fun times.
no no it's.....
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Jerko
05-08-2010, 08:30 AM
I don't know why people are so upset with the bunt. I thought it was a good call despite the crappy execution. Would you rather have Pierre swinging away at this point? I wouldn't.

The manager's horrible decision with the starting pitcher and the lineup's overall inability to produce outside of a long ball are again the killers.

The first bunt in the 9th pissed me off more than Pierre's did. Pitcher comes in and promptly gives up a homer and a walk and we give him an out. To get to Ramirez, Kotsay (who we knew would get walked despite his pathetic average) and Pierre. Ball never made it out of the infield after that.

veeter
05-08-2010, 08:41 AM
The first bunt in the 9th pissed me off more than Pierre's did. Pitcher comes in and promptly gives up a homer and a walk and we give him an out. To get to Ramirez, Kotsay (who we knew would get walked despite his pathetic average) and Pierre. Ball never made it out of the infield after that.And with Quentin running, a bad bunt might get the force at second. If successful, Quentin may not score on a single.

soltrain21
05-08-2010, 08:44 AM
The first bunt in the 9th pissed me off more than Pierre's did. Pitcher comes in and promptly gives up a homer and a walk and we give him an out. To get to Ramirez, Kotsay (who we knew would get walked despite his pathetic average) and Pierre. Ball never made it out of the infield after that.

I thought the EXACT same thing. It was so stupid. And if you are going to try that "Ozzie Ball" stuff than why did you leave Quentin in to run? He wasn't going to score from second on a single.

A. Cavatica
05-08-2010, 09:35 AM
This team's problems are mostly mental. And Ozzie and his coaching staff are responsible for them.

VMSNS
05-08-2010, 10:20 AM
This team's problems are mostly mental. And Ozzie and his coaching staff are responsible for them.

I agree. With the exception of Teahen and Williams, everyone on this team has shown in the past that they can be good ball players. For whatever reason, they're just deciding they don't want to play good baseball right now.

Noneck
05-08-2010, 10:37 AM
I agree. With the exception of Teahen and Williams, everyone on this team has shown in the past that they can be good ball players. For whatever reason, they're just deciding they don't want to play good baseball right now.

The younger core players that are suppose to lead this team offensively don't have a track record to indicate that they should be good ball players. Beckham, Ramirez and Quentin. That is 1/3 of the lineup. Then there are the players that are on the down slope of their careers, PK, AJ, Pierre and Jones.

This situation is a lot deeper than mental problems.

hawkjt
05-08-2010, 10:44 AM
I wish Ozzie had gone to Santos for the 8th...he has been a sure thing...and even brought him in to face Wells, he blew him away on 4 pitches the night before. Or Thornton. This was a huge game,and Ozzie treats it like some kind of test of MB's endurance.
Then when he brought in Bobby with a tied score, I knew it was trouble...almost a lock that Bobby fails in that situation...save situations only,please!

Just so painful this year. Killing my baseball buzz.:whiner:

soxlady8
05-08-2010, 10:49 AM
I am not that well versed in the logics/statistics in baseball like many of you here who seem to know the game very well. However as a fan and an observer , I have witnessed Ozzie make some mistakes with his calls .

W Pierre struggling , couldn't he have called in a Pinch Hitter ?
It maybe would have been worth the gamble and the game would have been over at that point.

I thought Buerhl's was left in too long. I kept looking over to the bullpen and still no one was warming up.

When Putz was struggling , why wasn't he yanked out and replaced ?
MMMM I think there was no one warming in bullpen.

A couple of weeks ago Peavy was left in too long ---

I think a few of the games that were lost could have maybe been won with a different "game plan" ---

I am totally believing this quote w this team "insansity is doing the SAME things over and over again expecting DIFFERENT results "

I believe these athletes see a TEAM Sports Psychologist. Maybe the TEAM needs a different ONE if the guy's w all this talent are not performing.

Lip Man 1
05-08-2010, 11:01 AM
Jenks ERA in non save situations this year is 7.7.

Lip

GoGoCrede
05-08-2010, 11:04 AM
It was probably for the guy screening the calls.

Delayed reaction, but: :rolling: :thumbsup:

cws05champ
05-08-2010, 11:14 AM
Jenks ERA in non save situations this year is 7.7.

Lip

Even last year it was 4.08 vs 3.53 in Save situations. In non-save situations his BAA, OBP, WHIP and OPS are way up over Save situations. His K/BB ratio goes down also.....WHY does Ozzie keep using him in those situations?

masloan
05-08-2010, 11:23 AM
Jenks WHIP is 1.83. That is absolutely awful.

WhiteSox1989
05-08-2010, 11:25 AM
Amazingly enough I'm still tempted to go to tonight's game..I just can't look away from this disaster.

masloan
05-08-2010, 11:26 AM
Quentin is 3 for his last 22.

Beckham is still struggling.

Regardless whose fault this is (Ozzie, Walker, or the players), the Sox will not play consistantly good baseball until they start playing better. That is the bottom line.

SephClone89
05-08-2010, 11:28 AM
Amazingly enough I'm still tempted to go to tonight's game..I just can't look away from this disaster.

That's because you're a fan of your team and realise that going to a baseball game is one of the greatest things about American life.

And Peavy is pitching.

WhiteSox1989
05-08-2010, 11:30 AM
That's because you're a fan of your team and realise that going to a baseball game is one of the greatest things about American life.

And Peavy is pitching.
Yeah, that's a big reason why.

That..and I like to torture myself.

canOcorn
05-08-2010, 12:44 PM
The first bunt in the 9th pissed me off more than Pierre's did. Pitcher comes in and promptly gives up a homer and a walk and we give him an out. To get to Ramirez, Kotsay (who we knew would get walked despite his pathetic average) and Pierre. Ball never made it out of the infield after that.

Exactly. It's just another, in a long list, of instances that Ozzie makes moves to reduce our chances of scoring/winning.

:fireozzie:

guillensdisciple
05-08-2010, 01:20 PM
Was at the game Started out sitting upper deck thanks catthief from our very own wsi.

Well, the night got twisted the moment we arrived at the ballpark. We walked in at opening of the gates and were watching batting practice for a good 30 minutes. Then one of the chevy crew ladies walked up to my friend and I and wanted to know if we would like to go behind home plate :o:.

Night was made, and we got the whole lot- free shirts, free seats, and then a first inning stop on the jumbotron. If anyone was there, I was the dude wearing the black jacket, handling the sign and waving awkwardly because I had absolutely no room to wave.

That was awesome.

Now, here's the deal for the White Sox:

they suck.

kittle42
05-08-2010, 02:14 PM
Couldn't get rid of my tickets for tonight. It will be the first game I have purposely not gone to in several years. This team is so not any fun.

JB98
05-08-2010, 02:26 PM
Even last year it was 4.08 vs 3.53 in Save situations. In non-save situations his BAA, OBP, WHIP and OPS are way up over Save situations. His K/BB ratio goes down also.....WHY does Ozzie keep using him in those situations?

If Ozzie used Jenks in only save situations, Bobby would pitch about once a week. That's not a good scenario either.

We are 30 games into the season, and Jenks has had only five save opportunities.

KMcMahon817
05-08-2010, 03:03 PM
Couldn't get rid of my tickets for tonight. It will be the first game I have purposely not gone to in several years. This team is so not any fun.


Good for you. :rolleyes:

Slappy
05-08-2010, 03:12 PM
Couldn't get rid of my tickets for tonight. It will be the first game I have purposely not gone to in several years. This team is so not any fun.

What kind of seats do you have? Expensive?

I still haven't been to a single game this year.

kittle42
05-08-2010, 03:56 PM
Good for you. :rolleyes:

Yes, I've heard your opinion on this already. Would you like my tickets for tonight? I was going to trade them for the Wednesday Atlanta game, but maybe you'd put them to better use.

It's 50 degrees. I couldn't get anyone to go with me - even for free - and this team blows. So I'll choose Iron Man 2 instead.

Wake Me Up When September Ends should be this team's anthem.

kittle42
05-08-2010, 03:57 PM
What kind of seats do you have? Expensive?

I still haven't been to a single game this year.

147, Row 22.

SephClone89
05-08-2010, 03:58 PM
good for you. :rolleyes:

+1

KMcMahon817
05-08-2010, 04:21 PM
147, Row 22.

If I lived closer than two and half hours from the park and didnt have two finals on Monday, I'd be all over it.

I mean you come on here for hours a day, you obviously have a deep interest. Go to the game, support the team.

kittle42
05-08-2010, 04:21 PM
Good for you. :rolleyes:

+1

Buy some season tickets. Then question my fandom.

SephClone89
05-08-2010, 04:51 PM
Buy some season tickets. Then question my fandom.

If it weren't for the fact that I get paid $8 an hour (plus tips, but minus the price of the gas I use on the job) 13-20 hours a week for only four or five months a year, I probably would.



I mean you come on here for hours a day, you obviously have a deep interest. Go to the game, support the team.

This is the way I feel. I love the Sox, and I love baseball. On top of that, baseball is a sport that guarantees around 60 wins for even the very worst teams. I'm also stable enough that watching a loss (like the awful one I witnessed Thursday night) doesn't ruin my life. I love it, and baseball is a major interest of mine, but I don't let it get to me too much. To me, the experience of being at a baseball game at least partially outweighs the potential disappointment of a loss.

soltrain21
05-08-2010, 04:58 PM
Now people are getting eye rolls because they don't want to go watch bad baseball in ****ty weather?

Give it a break, super fans.

DirtySox
05-08-2010, 05:04 PM
Now people are getting eye rolls because they don't want to go watch bad baseball in ****ty weather?

Give it a break, super fans.

Agreed. The eye roll smiley has been getting a workout lately.

guillensdisciple
05-08-2010, 07:10 PM
Now people are getting eye rolls because they don't want to go watch bad baseball in ****ty weather?

Give it a break, super fans.


I agree, people have the right to choose to watch crappy baseball. My friend and I had a discussion at the game yesterday about that.

If my team sucks, I'll watch them on t.v. They won't get a single cent out of me though, I have better things to throw my money at with better return.

soxinem1
05-08-2010, 08:10 PM
I agree, people have the right to choose to watch crappy baseball. My friend and I had a discussion at the game yesterday about that.

If my team sucks, I'll watch them on t.v. They won't get a single cent out of me though, I have better things to throw my money at with better return.

I have more respect for the 4,000 people who devoutly went to WAS games in 2009 than some bandwagon jumper who starts going when a team wins. If they can sit through the crap they watched last year, they deserve the good showing the Natinals have demonstrated thus far.

And I also believe you should go to what you can afford to go to or have time for. Attending to your priorities should be commended.