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soxinem1
04-28-2010, 10:55 PM
When your lead-off man is hitting .200, slugging the same, has an off-base percentage of nearly .800, can't get a hit just to keep an inning going, but hits into more DP's than he has extra-base hits and RBI combined, what do you do?

Time for Pierre to step it up!!:angry:

I think we saw a change in Peavy. He tossed the Cooper 'Pitch to Contact' BS after the first and just started dealing.

Maybe next time we'll see the aggressive Jake we've been waiting for.

Frater Perdurabo
04-28-2010, 10:55 PM
At least Quentin had a decent night at the plate, if not in the field.

Aren't we so glad Pierre and Kotsay played while Jones rode the bench?

hi im skot
04-28-2010, 10:56 PM
Juan Pierre still sucks.

WhiteSox5187
04-28-2010, 10:57 PM
What the hell is Juan Pierre doing at the plate when we're down by one with two outs in the ninth? Why...**** it. Just...**** it. I know we're not THIS bad, but you know what? We're probably not that good either.

Pear-Zin-Ski
04-28-2010, 10:57 PM
It seemed like it was walk after walk after walk after walk. If Jake doesn't give up 5 in the 1st we would've had it. Nice to show a little fight at the end though.

october23sp
04-28-2010, 10:57 PM
Make sure you don't blame Peavy.

manders_01
04-28-2010, 10:57 PM
Argh! They were making a game of it. Unfortunately, it was just a little too late. :whiner:

Rdy2PlayBall
04-28-2010, 10:57 PM
I can't take this team anymore.Why? They showed heart at the end and Peavy rebounded greatly.

Tragg
04-28-2010, 10:57 PM
There's a new rule, Oz, that perhaps you haven't heard of. It's called a pinch hitter, which suggested use is when your .121 hitter is up in the 9th with runners on and your best hitter is sitting on the bench.

The team lacks talent and is under coached.

Rohan
04-28-2010, 10:58 PM
Make sure you don't blame Peavy.

:rolleyes:

GoGoCrede
04-28-2010, 10:58 PM
Peavy had an awful start, but we were still in it when he left. Bringing in Williams really hurt. I don't get why Jones didn't pinch hit, but whatever.

Sigh.

veeter
04-28-2010, 10:58 PM
Harden had less then Peavy, but because Ozzie's lineup was so ****ty the Sox couldn't take advantage.

BadBobbyJenks
04-28-2010, 10:58 PM
Juan Pierre is terrible.

Ozzie's decision to put Jake back out in the 7th was terrible.

This offense is terrible.

Tony Pena is terrific.

Rohan
04-28-2010, 10:58 PM
Why? They showed heart at the end and Peavy rebounded greatly.

Jones should have been pinch hitting for Pierre.

HangWiffum
04-28-2010, 10:58 PM
jake peavy
juan pierre
mark kotsay
randy williams
ozzie guillen

oh, how i hate thee.

Boondock Saint
04-28-2010, 10:58 PM
Juan Pierre is up with the tying run on base and 2 out in the 9th, and you don't pinch hit Jones for him?

Please explain to me why Ozzie still has a job.

Frater Perdurabo
04-28-2010, 10:59 PM
Bad non-move by Ozzie at the end of the game.

It would have been smarter to have Jones pinch-hit for Pierre in that situation. You're still down by one, and need the RBI. Jones is more likely to get the RBI than Pierre.

You have to tie it before you can win it.

WhiteSox5187
04-28-2010, 10:59 PM
Outside of wearing stirrups, what the hell does Juan Pierre add to this team?

HangWiffum
04-28-2010, 10:59 PM
Why? They showed heart at the end and Peavy rebounded greatly.

"showing heart" and "rebounding" are what losing teams do.

manders_01
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
What the hell is Juan Pierre doing at the plate when we're down by one with two outs in the ninth? Why...**** it. Just...**** it. I know we're not THIS bad, but you know what? We're probably not that good either.

I was pretty surprised by that move too. Seems like Andruw would have been the right man for the job right there. Unless they would have changed pitchers on him and he doesn't have a good batting average against him? :shrug: Regardless, I think I would have liked him up there more.

cleanwsox
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
Jones should have been pinch hitting for Pierre.

Yup, is Ozzie asleep on the bench or something?

Rdy2PlayBall
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
"showing heart" and "rebounding" are what losing teams do.:scratch:

Frater Perdurabo
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
juan pierre is up with the tying run on base and 2 out in the 9th, and you don't pinch hit jones for him?

please explain to me why ozzie still has a job.

2005!

guillensdisciple
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
Make sure you don't blame Peavy.

I am going to take your side.

The fault belongs to Peavy and Peavy only.

The offense got five.

He's a supposed ace, and he gave up 6.

That's all you need to know.

HOWEVER, signs of his resurgence did calm me down a little. Still early, so I'l take this one with pain, but will keep on cheering. The cheer ends if we still suck by May 20.

WhiteSox5187
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
Bad non-move by Ozzie at the end of the game.

It would have been smarter to have Jones pinch-hit for Pierre in that situation. You're still down by one, and need the RBI. Jones is more likely to get the RBI than Pierre.

You have to tie it before you can win it.

Even if it doesn't work, he can't possibly do any worse than Pierre. Plus Pierre got his hit for the week tonight.

Tragg
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
Bringing in Williams really hurt.
Williams is a situational lefty, at best.

I'm sure he's got a great attitude like the numerous other crappy veterans that guillen thinks are good players.
Guillen is clown managing.

Rikirk
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
I thought Pierre was supposed to be fast...
I would have put someone in to bat for the yutz.

HangWiffum
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
Bad non-move by Ozzie at the end of the game.

It would have been smarter to have Jones pinch-hit for Pierre in that situation. You're still down by one, and need the RBI. Jones is more likely to get the RBI than Pierre.

You have to tie it before you can win it.

it's just mindblowing you leave in a man who cannot hit it out of the infield and not put in a man who can hit it out of the park.

soxlady8
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
at least there was some fight there at the end .
The play by Smoak smoked us !!!
Why didn't Ozzie put a pinch hitter in there for Pierre ????

glad Peavy settled down a bit after that horrid innning ---

Rohan
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
2005!

Along with somewhat successful runs in 2006 & 2008.

Rdy2PlayBall
04-28-2010, 11:01 PM
Juan Pierre is up with the tying run on base and 2 out in the 9th, and you don't pinch hit Jones for him?

Please explain to me why Ozzie still has a job.I have to agree, I wont defend Ozzie on this one. Stupid (non)move.

hi im skot
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
Remember when Peavy hit into all of those double plays tonight?




Dude was brutal in the first, but turned it around nicely afterwards. This offense still ****ing sucks.

Rohan
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
Sigh...
On to Federal Income Tax Law homework. What an awesome night.

DirtySox
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
going to dinner in half hour, why ozzie still have job?

october23sp
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
"showing heart" and "rebounding" are what losing teams do.
http://breedingferrets.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/hank-hill.jpg
"That's loser talk son."

DrCrawdad
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
When your lead-off man is hitting .200, slugging the same, has an off-base percentage of nearly .800, can't get a hit just to keep an inning going, but hits into more DP's than he has extra-base hits and RBI combined, what do you do?

Time for Pierre to step it up!!:angry:


No, Time for Pierre to sit down!!:angry:

veeter
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
Ozzie's pushing all the wrong buttons. Down 5-0, Pierre gets on tho start an inning, and gets throw out stealing? Then he doesn't start the runners to avoid double plays. Why is Quentin even issued a glove? How can he sit Jones?

Dibbs
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
I am really beyond sick of Ozzie. So, are people actually going to defend him sticking with Juan Pierre in that last at bat? You have Andruw Jones, who could possibly have given you the lead.

I honestly don't see how Ozzie is qualified to run an organization with a $103 million payroll. Fire Oz.

GoGoCrede
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
:rolleyes:

+1. For ****'s sake, we grounded into too many GIDPs to do much of anything. We were still in it when he left.

Rohan
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
going to dinner in half hour, why ozzie still have job?

:lol:

HangWiffum
04-28-2010, 11:03 PM
Please explain to me why Ozzie still has a job.

because this organization doesn't believe in holding anyone accountable. all you have to do is kiss jerry's ass and you've got a "job for life" as he has said.

Tragg
04-28-2010, 11:03 PM
2005!

That's the only reason that makes any sense at all, and it's effect is diminishing.
3 of the last 4 seasons have been terrible Oz and Kenny.

Slappy
04-28-2010, 11:04 PM
Tough loss. That second strike call on Juan wasn't even close. He still sucks though. My god, why can't he hit it out of the infield?

As much as I can't stand watching Omar, think Becks needed to sit one out. Needs to get his mind right.

Nice grab by Smoak to rob Kotsay.

Here's to Carlos, Alexei and A.J. hopefully heating up. :gulp:

GoGoCrede
04-28-2010, 11:04 PM
going to dinner in half hour, why ozzie still have job?

LOL...I see what you did there.

october23sp
04-28-2010, 11:04 PM
+1. For ****'s sake, we grounded into too many GIDPs to do much of anything. We were still in it when he left.

I didn't say place all the blame on him, but I get flamed for saying he sucks so I'm going to take offense to that.

Boondock Saint
04-28-2010, 11:04 PM
Remember when Peavy hit into all of those double plays tonight?




Dude was brutal in the first, but turned it around nicely afterwards. This offense still ****ing sucks.

I get that the offense sucks, and that Peavy rebounded. But even if you strike out every batter you face after you give up five runs to start the game, you still gave up five runs to start the game, and put your team in a position to lose.

WhiteSox5187
04-28-2010, 11:05 PM
I still just don't understand what the hell Pierre was doing up there in the ninth. To say that he sucks is an insult to anyone who has ever sucked before.

Slappy
04-28-2010, 11:05 PM
going to dinner in half hour, why ozzie still have job?

Thank you for making me lol.

Brian26
04-28-2010, 11:05 PM
So, are people actually going to defend him sticking with Juan Pierre in that last at bat? You have Andruw Jones, who could possibly have given you the lead.

Nobody can defend that move.

HangWiffum
04-28-2010, 11:06 PM
Nobody can defend that move.

except ozzie. probably gonna give us some crap about trying to get juan going.

manders_01
04-28-2010, 11:06 PM
LOL...I see what you did there.

I didn't! :dunce: Thank you for your comment or I would have continued to wonder why he was going to dinner so late! :tongue:

veeter
04-28-2010, 11:06 PM
I still just don't understand what the hell Pierre was doing up there in the ninth. To say that he sucks is an insult to anyone who has ever sucked before.And I'm sick of all his over-sized equipment. He looks like he's four ****ing years old.

Rohan
04-28-2010, 11:07 PM
I didn't! :dunce: Thank you for your comment or I would have continued to wonder why he was going to dinner so late! :tongue:

Hahaha... Too funny.

DrCrawdad
04-28-2010, 11:07 PM
:angry: I came to the game late (thankfully) in the ninth. When Pierre came up to bat, I wondered, "what no one can pinch hit for him?" :angry:

soxinem1
04-28-2010, 11:07 PM
Peavy had an awful start, but we were still in it when he left. Bringing in Williams really hurt. I don't get why Jones didn't pinch hit, but whatever.

Sigh.

I would have settled for even Nix over Pierre hitting in that situation.

But I am even more curious why Jones was sitting at all? Did he need a rest? Was he tired? Didn't he sit enough from 2008-2009?

Andruw Jones looks like he's enjoying this game more than he has in a long time.

Pierre hitting w/RISP + GIDP = ***????

Boondock Saint
04-28-2010, 11:11 PM
Juan Pierre hit into 10 total double plays in 2008 and 2009.

In the first month of 2010, he has hit into four.

Ladies and gentlemen, your every day LF/DH!

Frankfan4life
04-28-2010, 11:12 PM
I get that the offense sucks, and that Peavy rebounded. But even if you strike out every batter you face after you give up five runs to start the game, you still gave up five runs to start the game, and put your team in a position to lose.That pretty much sums up my feelings. All I want from Peavy is a quality start. For what he's being paid that's what he should be able to deliver.

Frater Perdurabo
04-28-2010, 11:12 PM
Nobody can defend that move.

I'll bet some do think it was the right move, simply because he's the manager and knows more than us and deserves the benefit of the doubt.

The Ozzpologists would defend Ozzie even if he were arrested for driving drunk while reading child porn.

:bandance:

Frater Perdurabo
04-28-2010, 11:14 PM
But I am even more curious why Jones was sitting at all? Did he need a rest? Was he tired? Didn't he sit enough from 2008-2009?

Nope. Ozzie had Jones ready to pinch hit for Vizquel if Pierre got on base.

GoGoCrede
04-28-2010, 11:14 PM
Nope. Ozzie had Jones ready to pinch hit for Vizquel if Pierre got on base.

That should be in teal, not deep pink. :cool::smile:

Lip Man 1
04-28-2010, 11:15 PM
Well at least they scored more than three runs...

This road trip is shaping up to be a total disaster.

Lip

veeter
04-28-2010, 11:17 PM
Well at least they scored more than three runs...

This road trip is shaping up to be a total disaster.

LipThey should have scored ten. Rich Harden had nothing.

Danielgosox38
04-28-2010, 11:17 PM
:fireozzie

BainesHOF
04-28-2010, 11:17 PM
Ozzie needs to be fired for not pinch-hitting Jones for Pierre.

HangWiffum
04-28-2010, 11:18 PM
this season is a disaster. there is no ray of light in sight. no accountability. no success.

Sam Spade
04-28-2010, 11:20 PM
They are going to turn it around sharply very soon.

singapore_sling
04-28-2010, 11:22 PM
We need to sign Jermaine Dye to get some power back in the middle. Put him at DH then play Rios, Quentin, and Jones in OF.

Boondock Saint
04-28-2010, 11:22 PM
I am this close to starting a "What the hell are you thinking, Ozzie?" tracker. Repeatedly benching Jones, keeping Peavy out too long in Cleveland, repeatedly going to Williams in clutch situations then leaving him in to let on a few more baserunners, pitching Bobby in non-save situations, Juan Pierre batting with the game on the line when Jones is on the bench...am I forgetting anything? I'm sure I am.

edit: I just remembered another. Omar Vizquel leading off in the one game this year that Pierre hasn't appeared in.

HangWiffum
04-28-2010, 11:22 PM
this organization doesn't have the balls to put a player making as much money as pierre is on the bench like the dodgers did.

Brian26
04-28-2010, 11:23 PM
Ozzie needs to be fired for not pinch-hitting Jones for Pierre.

That, and the inexcusable move where he napped for ten minutes while Ron Washington argued with the umpire and Peavy threw warm-up pitches and then out of nowhere decided that Randy Williams needed to face Murphy.

bunty_doghunter
04-28-2010, 11:24 PM
Outside of wearing stirrups, what the hell does Juan Pierre add to this team?
Variety? The others are professional baseball players. Well, sorta.

soxinem1
04-28-2010, 11:24 PM
I am this close to starting a "What the hell are you thinking, Ozzie?" tracker. Repeatedly benching Jones, keeping Peavy out too long in Cleveland, repeatedly going to Williams in clutch situations then leaving him in to let on a few more baserunners, pitching Bobby in non-save situations, Juan Pierre batting with the game on the line when Jones is on the bench...am I forgetting anything? I'm sure I am.

You forgot batting Beckham 2nd and batting Teahen period.:smile:

Brian26
04-28-2010, 11:24 PM
this organization doesn't have the balls to put a player making as much money as pierre is on the bench like the dodgers did.

The Dodgers did not bench Pierre for poor performance.

HangWiffum
04-28-2010, 11:25 PM
The Dodgers did not bench Pierre for poor performance.

he wasn't good enough to play for them until manny finally got busted for roids.

Brian26
04-28-2010, 11:26 PM
he wasn't good enough to play for them until manny finally got busted for roids.

Correct, because both guys play leftfield and Manny is the superior player. Pierre would be on our bench if we had Manny too.

veeter
04-28-2010, 11:27 PM
I am this close to starting a "What the hell are you thinking, Ozzie?" tracker. Repeatedly benching Jones, keeping Peavy out too long in Cleveland, repeatedly going to Williams in clutch situations then leaving him in to let on a few more baserunners, pitching Bobby in non-save situations, Juan Pierre batting with the game on the line when Jones is on the bench...am I forgetting anything? I'm sure I am.

edit: I just remembered another. Omar Vizquel leading off in the one game this year that Pierre hasn't appeared in.I coach my son's nine and ten year old team. I have to be completely focused at all times, to keep track of all that's going on. As a MAJOR LEAGUE manager Ozzie spends most of his time looking in the stands. There's no way he's on top of everything.

Parrothead
04-28-2010, 11:31 PM
They are going to turn it around sharply very soon.

:kneeslap::kukoo::rolling:

bunty_doghunter
04-28-2010, 11:34 PM
Ozzie needs to be fired for not pinch-hitting Jones for Pierre.
He had an excellent excuse. He was in the clubhouse polishing his '05 WS ring because it is TARNISHED.

voodoochile
04-28-2010, 11:34 PM
Well, not the end result we wanted, but nice to see AJ and TCQ bust out of their slumps and the team scored 5. Damned shame Jake took an inning to implement the solution he says he has. Looked good afterwords.

Hopefully some of these improvements pay some dividends down the road.

Hitmen77
04-28-2010, 11:35 PM
Pierre is just brutal. I didn't think we was great or anything, but what happened to the .300 hitter? Is the AL that much tougher than the NL? :dunno:

Well at least they scored more than three runs...

This road trip is shaping up to be a total disaster.

Lip

Road trip, month.....season. :(:

Lip Man 1
04-28-2010, 11:39 PM
There's an interesting dynamic regarding Juan Pierre that needs to be revisited.

Two seasons ago when the Sox were looking for a leadoff guy (seems like forever hasn't it?) I submitted a list of five names to Mark Gonzales of the Tribune for his opinion. Pierre was one of them.

Mark's reply still stays with me, "The Sox don't think Pierre can hit in the American League..."

Now assuming Mark's answer was true (and I have no reason to think he'd make up an answer like that) the fascinating question becomes, 'what changed the Sox organizational minds?'

Did they make this deal in desperation? (the very last thing you want to do involving a deal...) Was it because the Dodgers are paying the bulk of the contract? Something else?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Lip

Boondock Saint
04-28-2010, 11:43 PM
There's an interesting dynamic regarding Juan Pierre that needs to be revisited.

Two seasons ago when the Sox were looking for a leadoff guy (seems like forever hasn't it?) I submitted a list of five names to Mark Gonzales of the Tribune for his opinion. Pierre was one of them.

Mark's reply still stays with me, "The Sox don't think Pierre can hit in the American League..."

Now assuming Mark's answer was true (and I have no reason to think he'd make up an answer like that) the fascinating question becomes, 'what changed the Sox organizational minds?'

Did they make this deal in desperation? (the very last thing you want to do involving a deal...) Was it because the Dodgers are paying the bulk of the contract? Something else?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Lip

I don't often agree with you, but if this is true, it's more than a fair question.

sox1970
04-28-2010, 11:44 PM
Is this an admission that he sucks at managing?

http://twitter.com/OzzieGuillen/status/13046105853

GoGoCrede
04-28-2010, 11:45 PM
Is this an admission that he sucks at managing?

http://twitter.com/OzzieGuillen/status/13046105853

Well, at least Ozney did well. Now I feel tons better. :)

Boondock Saint
04-28-2010, 11:46 PM
Is this an admission that he sucks at managing?

http://twitter.com/OzzieGuillen/status/13046105853

Go be a Cub fan, hater.

GoGoCrede
04-28-2010, 11:49 PM
Looking ahead to this weekend, I hope we light up Javy. But I won't be overly surprised if we don't.

sox1970
04-28-2010, 11:51 PM
Well, at least Ozney did well. Now I feel tons better. :)
Yeah, maybe he should go to Miami, catch some of the son's games, hit the boat...live the good life in Florida, Ozzie. You don't want to deal with this stuff anymore...Just go.

Lip Man 1
04-28-2010, 11:56 PM
Ozzie according to a story at the Tribune web site thinks Pierre is having a hard time adjusting to the American League.

Remember Gonzo's reply to me, "The Sox don't think Pierre can hit in the American League..."

Is Ozzie hinting at something along these lines?

Lip

Coops4Aces
04-28-2010, 11:59 PM
Ozzie according to a story at the Tribune web site thinks Pierre is having a hard time adjusting to the American League.

Remember Gonzo's reply to me, "The Sox don't think Pierre can hit in the American League..."

Is Ozzie hinting at something along these lines?

Lip

It's still see the ball, hit the ball. I think he is pressing.

Was anyone else screaming at the TV when Ozzie didn't pinch-hit Jones for Pierre?

Frankfan4life
04-28-2010, 11:59 PM
We need to sign Jermaine Dye to get some power back in the middle. Put him at DH then play Rios, Quentin, and Jones in OF.We're going to get hammered for this, but I agree with you. Actually, I'd rather see Quentin and JD platoon in RF as JD is a better outfielder.

Let 'er rip.... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry011.gif

GoGoCrede
04-29-2010, 12:01 AM
It's still see the ball, hit the ball. I think he is pressing.

Was anyone else screaming at the TV when Ozzie didn't pinch-hit Jones for Pierre?

I was talking to several Sox fans during the game and we pretty much all had the same reaction. And reading this thread, I see that many others were wondering why Jones wasn't in there, as well.

doublem23
04-29-2010, 12:04 AM
Wow, I am glad I had to take a final exam tonight. Looks like I didn't miss anything worth watching.

GoGoCrede
04-29-2010, 12:05 AM
Wow, I am glad I had to take a final exam tonight. Looks like I didn't miss anything worth watching.

LOL. I'm studying for a final right now, and it's sad when that was more fun than watching this game. :whiner:

soltrain21
04-29-2010, 12:10 AM
****ty baseball by a ****ty ballclub.

Sam Spade
04-29-2010, 12:10 AM
Wow, I am glad I had to take a final exam tonight. Looks like I didn't miss anything worth watching.
This game was worth seeing. There was some good in it, and a lot of bad, but it gave me some hope for improvement. As the game wore on, peavy's pitching and the offense both made their presence felt. Looking forward to tomorrow's game.

guillensdisciple
04-29-2010, 12:12 AM
I see this team turning it around. I was king pessimist and rant in the game thread but Peavy's pitching after the first gave me signs of life.

Lets put a spin on this.

Carlos Quentin IS a really good major league hitter who gets in his own head and screws with himself. Remember that strikeout he had in Toronto that Hawk stated would eat him alive because all three of the pitches the opposing pitcher threw were hittable? Well, since the strike out Carlos had gone into a rut. Now, he's getting into some kind of a rhythm and it is beginning to show. Today was a monster game for a guy that needed it.

The resurgence of Andruw Jones is something we should be very very pleased with, and could be the X-factor to the rest of the season. On top of that, we have Beckham, A.J, and Ramirez who have not begun hitting the ball with force yet. It would be one thing if they ACTUALLY sucked, but they don't. It is a collective rut, and things like this pick up like a dominoe effect. Think about it, we won on come backs against Seattle and we saw Alex Rios and Konerko come to life. Since then, Quentin has begun showing his metal and Andruw Jones has been a consistent factor.

While it could be easily undermined, the fact that Alexei finally took a damn walk could show that he is getting his stuff together- and add on to the fact that both he and A.J got hits in critical situations shows that something is clicking correctly in their heads. What I am seeing now with this team that I had not seen in years prior is the ability to get a run when we are down. White Sox teams of past would have laid down and gone away quietly, this team has shown a tendency to stick around. The ball has not been rolling our way so far, but life has a strange way of leveling things out.

The only real sour point is Juan Pierre, and it's a shame really, because he is a guy that would be perfect to lead off if he actually got on base. He can do it, but there is something off with this slap approach that he is taking. From what I remember, he aimed more towards solid contact when playing with the Dodgers.

Pitching is something in its own right. Ozzie is still playing around with the bullpen and today was a great showing of that. Randy Williams probably gets a huge **** you after tonights showing, and the same SHOULD go for Kotsay (even though we have to understand that players must have off days and that's the point of having a bench). This rotation is still stacked in my opinion, with guys who are underperforming. Danks is a stud in waiting, Floyd gets his stuff right eventually, Mark is Mark and he'll get it together too, and the fifth slot is something that I am happy with so long as we get a .500 pitcher- which Freddy can certainly be.

The bullpen is scary, and will probably be a main factor in how well the Sox do this year. It sucks that they have had some losses this year, but you can't blame them for being in every close situation imaginable this year due to our offense.

Things even out eventually, I am a believer of that, and there is almost no way that a team could continue to struggle so much. The law of averages always comes into play.

Don't forget that the Twins pitching has been dominating so far, and they have below average pitching at best. Things will even out over there as well.

21 games in and things look bleak, but there are 141 games to play. Plenty of time.


P.S.

I am not bipolar, I know I went on a long rant last week about this team but I figure that it might be best to put a positive spin on things for now. I will keep at it until may 20th, and that is when I will decide to go gloomy or not.

Boondock Saint
04-29-2010, 12:23 AM
Things even out eventually, I am a believer of that, and there is almost no way that a team could continue to struggle so much. The law of averages always comes into play.

Don't forget that the Twins pitching has been dominating so far, and they have below average pitching at best. Things will even out over there as well.

21 games in and things look bleak, but there are 141 games to play. Plenty of time.


P.S.

I am not bipolar, I know I went on a long rant last week about this team but I figure that it might be best to put a positive spin on things for now. I will keep at it until may 20th, and that is when I will decide to go gloomy or not.

I'm glad you're still optimistic, but I just can't buy it. The Sox have won one series this year, and that's including a 1-5 record against the Cleveland Indians, who are 4-11 this year against teams not named the Chicago White Sox.

WhiteSox1989
04-29-2010, 12:29 AM
Juan Pierre is terrible.

Ozzie's decision to put Jake back out in the 7th was terrible.

This offense is terrible.

Tony Pena is terrific.
Yup.
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manders_01
04-29-2010, 12:31 AM
I see this team turning it around. I was king pessimist and rant in the game thread but Peavy's pitching after the first gave me signs of life.

Lets put a spin on this.

Carlos Quentin IS a really good major league hitter who gets in his own head and screws with himself. Remember that strikeout he had in Toronto that Hawk stated would eat him alive because all three of the pitches the opposing pitcher threw were hittable? Well, since the strike out Carlos had gone into a rut. Now, he's getting into some kind of a rhythm and it is beginning to show. Today was a monster game for a guy that needed it.

The resurgence of Andruw Jones is something we should be very very pleased with, and could be the X-factor to the rest of the season. On top of that, we have Beckham, A.J, and Ramirez who have not begun hitting the ball with force yet. It would be one thing if they ACTUALLY sucked, but they don't. It is a collective rut, and things like this pick up like a dominoe effect. Think about it, we won on come backs against Seattle and we saw Alex Rios and Konerko come to life. Since then, Quentin has begun showing his metal and Andruw Jones has been a consistent factor.

While it could be easily undermined, the fact that Alexei finally took a damn walk could show that he is getting his stuff together- and add on to the fact that both he and A.J got hits in critical situations shows that something is clicking correctly in their heads. What I am seeing now with this team that I had not seen in years prior is the ability to get a run when we are down. White Sox teams of past would have laid down and gone away quietly, this team has shown a tendency to stick around. The ball has not been rolling our way so far, but life has a strange way of leveling things out.

The only real sour point is Juan Pierre, and it's a shame really, because he is a guy that would be perfect to lead off if he actually got on base. He can do it, but there is something off with this slap approach that he is taking. From what I remember, he aimed more towards solid contact when playing with the Dodgers.

Pitching is something in its own right. Ozzie is still playing around with the bullpen and today was a great showing of that. Randy Williams probably gets a huge **** you after tonights showing, and the same SHOULD go for Kotsay (even though we have to understand that players must have off days and that's the point of having a bench). This rotation is still stacked in my opinion, with guys who are underperforming. Danks is a stud in waiting, Floyd gets his stuff right eventually, Mark is Mark and he'll get it together too, and the fifth slot is something that I am happy with so long as we get a .500 pitcher- which Freddy can certainly be.

The bullpen is scary, and will probably be a main factor in how well the Sox do this year. It sucks that they have had some losses this year, but you can't blame them for being in every close situation imaginable this year due to our offense.

Things even out eventually, I am a believer of that, and there is almost no way that a team could continue to struggle so much. The law of averages always comes into play.

Don't forget that the Twins pitching has been dominating so far, and they have below average pitching at best. Things will even out over there as well.

21 games in and things look bleak, but there are 141 games to play. Plenty of time.


P.S.

I am not bipolar, I know I went on a long rant last week about this team but I figure that it might be best to put a positive spin on things for now. I will keep at it until may 20th, and that is when I will decide to go gloomy or not.

Extrodinarily well written post; I wholeheartedly agree. The bolded sentence is what I've been hanging it all on since the get go. The absolute truth!

BringHomeDaBacon
04-29-2010, 12:31 AM
So we go to a hitter's park and sit our best power threat for Kotsay while sitting our best young player for a 43 year old washed up scrub. And then despite opportunities, get neither into the game.

**** you Ozzie.

Noneck
04-29-2010, 12:37 AM
Did they make this deal in desperation? (the very last thing you want to do involving a deal...) Was it because the Dodgers are paying the bulk of the contract? Something else?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Lip

Lip,

Wasn't Pods at that time probably asking for less than what the Sox are paying Pierre? I am not saying the Sox should have paid Pods, I am saying they could have paid less with Pods, so it wasn't the almighty dollar this time.

Why they changed their minds? Mystery theater time.

canOcorn
04-29-2010, 12:42 AM
Lip,

Wasn't Pods at that time probably asking for less than what the Sox are paying Pierre? I am not saying the Sox should have paid Pods, I am saying they could have paid less with Pods, so it wasn't the almighty dollar this time.

Why they changed their minds? Mystery theater time.

'Gots' to pay for Viciedo one way or another. I guess we can pay watching video, but pass on watching hours and hours in person.

PhillipsBubba
04-29-2010, 12:49 AM
When your lead-off man is hitting .200, slugging the same, has an off-base percentage of nearly .800, can't get a hit just to keep an inning going, but hits into more DP's than he has extra-base hits and RBI combined, what do you do?

Is Scotty Pods available...he's hitting 152 ticks higher!:scratch:

PhillipsBubba
04-29-2010, 12:54 AM
I liked Pods because he worked hard to get better and he stayed healthy when people doubted he could.

He sucked in the outfield but he got on base on a regular basis.

I don't like to criticize KW because I'm a fan...but this move really stinks as of now.:(:

Lip Man 1
04-29-2010, 01:47 AM
Noneck:

The issue with Pods (or his agent) from what I understand is that he wanted a MULTI YEAR deal. It's ironic that he had to settle for a one year contract from K.C.

Apparently the guy who couldn't stay healthy two years in a row his entire career was asking for at least a two year deal, I've also heard some say he wanted three but I can't confirm that.

It wasn't the yearly deal but the overall collective total monies that turned Kenny off also the apparent "arrogance" of either Pods or his agent in asking for such.

Kenny tired to make it work and get him back but Pods (or his agent) overpriced themselves and the Sox weren't going to wait on him. Kenny wanted this settled ahead of when spring training opened.

Lip

It's Dankerific
04-29-2010, 02:38 AM
Correct, because both guys play leftfield and Manny is the superior player. Pierre would be on our bench if we had Manny too.

With Ozzie as the manager, doubtful.

masloan
04-29-2010, 05:37 AM
Good job by Walker last night! But Cooper really let us down. As long as Walker keeps it up the Sox will be fine.

Hitmen77
04-29-2010, 08:32 AM
There's an interesting dynamic regarding Juan Pierre that needs to be revisited.

Two seasons ago when the Sox were looking for a leadoff guy (seems like forever hasn't it?) I submitted a list of five names to Mark Gonzales of the Tribune for his opinion. Pierre was one of them.

Mark's reply still stays with me, "The Sox don't think Pierre can hit in the American League..."

Now assuming Mark's answer was true (and I have no reason to think he'd make up an answer like that) the fascinating question becomes, 'what changed the Sox organizational minds?'

Did they make this deal in desperation? (the very last thing you want to do involving a deal...) Was it because the Dodgers are paying the bulk of the contract? Something else?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Lip

You really do have to wonder. Remember, this is the team that spent all winter trying to sell us on the idea that we didn't need a full time DH and that Kotsay in the DH role would be just fine. Did they really believe this, or were they just desperately trying to put on a good face (before Jones showed up to camp in shape, that is)?

Noneck:

The issue with Pods (or his agent) from what I understand is that he wanted a MULTI YEAR deal. It's ironic that he had to settle for a one year contract from K.C.

Apparently the guy who couldn't stay healthy two years in a row his entire career was asking for at least a two year deal, I've also heard some say he wanted three but I can't confirm that.

It wasn't the yearly deal but the overall collective total monies that turned Kenny off also the apparent "arrogance" of either Pods or his agent in asking for such.

Kenny tired to make it work and get him back but Pods (or his agent) overpriced themselves and the Sox weren't going to wait on him. Kenny wanted this settled ahead of when spring training opened.

Lip

So instead he trades away minor league talent and commits $8 million for Juan Pierre for the next two years. :scratch:

If it indeed was a matter of KW just getting pissed off at Pods instead of negotiating him down to his market value (like KC did), then that's pretty sad. No problem, we'll just pay more for a player that we thought couldn't hit in the American League.

tstrike2000
04-29-2010, 08:49 AM
When your lead-off man is hitting .200, slugging the same, has an off-base percentage of nearly .800, can't get a hit just to keep an inning going, but hits into more DP's than he has extra-base hits and RBI combined, what do you do?

Off-Base Percentage. I like that, not an actual stat, but I think they should make that an official stat. It's a good way for crappy players to sound good, "Hey, he's got an .855 off-base percentage!" That is until you think about what it really means.

Nellie_Fox
04-29-2010, 11:32 AM
With Ozzie as the manager, doubtful.Oh, stop it. Do you really think this is clever?

fusillirob1983
04-29-2010, 12:29 PM
I was just glad that there were already 2 outs during Pierre's final at-bat last night. It prevented him from grounding into 3 double plays.

TommyJohn
04-29-2010, 01:12 PM
Oh, stop it. Do you really think this is clever?
I'm busting a gut.

RCWHITESOX
04-29-2010, 01:21 PM
I'm glad you're still optimistic, but I just can't buy it. The Sox have won one series this year, and that's including a 1-5 record against the Cleveland Indians, who are 4-11 this year against teams not named the Chicago White Sox.

It's been only 21 games; way to early to panic. If things are still going south after 50 games then I can see it's a trend that probably won't turn around.

fcl
04-29-2010, 03:12 PM
Outside of wearing stirrups, what the hell does Juan Pierre add to this team?




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