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TomBradley72
04-19-2010, 08:38 PM
Joey Cora?

russ99
04-19-2010, 08:41 PM
Ozzie Jr.?

Noneck
04-19-2010, 08:41 PM
Want? Tom Kelly

but would never happen.

Frontman
04-19-2010, 08:43 PM
Nobody. Because if KW fires Ozzie mid-season; the season is then considered a loss by Kenny.

...
04-19-2010, 08:46 PM
Nobody. Because if KW fires Ozzie mid-season; the season is then considered a loss by Kenny.

Subsequent seasons no longer count?

I vote manager by committee.

tm1119
04-19-2010, 08:47 PM
Somebody currently outside of the organization for sure. We need some knew and fresh thinking brought to our team. Probably somebody with good experience as well just because we still have some talent on this team that could win in the near future.

GoGoCrede
04-19-2010, 08:48 PM
Frank Thomas? I wonder how he'd be as a coach, actually.

Rdy2PlayBall
04-19-2010, 08:51 PM
Omar Vizquel?

sox1970
04-19-2010, 08:53 PM
I don't know who, but I would want someone that believes in set lineups, and knows that Mark Kotsay is a bench player.

Marqhead
04-19-2010, 08:54 PM
Jerry Manuel might be available soon.

GoGoCrede
04-19-2010, 08:54 PM
Jerry Manuel might be available soon.

Hah. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near this place if that actually happened.

thomas35forever
04-19-2010, 09:00 PM
Haven't thought about it. I would not want a new manager from the inside though. Things would stay the same otherwise.

102605
04-19-2010, 09:02 PM
Ozney

sox1970
04-19-2010, 09:03 PM
Does Bob Brenly want to manage?

Nellie_Fox
04-19-2010, 09:03 PM
I don't know who, but I would want someone that believes in set lineups, and knows that Mark Kotsay is a bench player.
Leo Durocher! Play your starters 'til they drop!

tstrike2000
04-19-2010, 09:03 PM
Joey Cora?

If, Ozzie were fired...would it be possible to NOT get another ex-Sox player as a coach?

spawn
04-19-2010, 09:05 PM
John McGraw.

sox1970
04-19-2010, 09:05 PM
Leo Durocher! Play your starters 'til they drop!

I wouldn't go that far, but what Ozzie does is insane.

GoGoCrede
04-19-2010, 09:05 PM
Leo Durocher! Play your starters 'til they drop!

It's amazing to think that pitchers back in those days threw numerous complete games, 100+ pitches, and thought nothing of it. Times have really changed.

Nellie_Fox
04-19-2010, 09:08 PM
It's amazing to think that pitchers back in those days threw numerous complete games, 100+ pitches, and thought nothing of it. Times have really changed.Bob Feller had over 270 complete games in his career. He had more complete games than wins!

kittle42
04-19-2010, 09:14 PM
Kotsay/Jones/Vizquel

doublem23
04-19-2010, 09:14 PM
Me

Cot's doesn't have Ozzie's current salary listed, but they claim he made $1.1 M in 2007... I'll do it for 1/10th that!

GoGoCrede
04-19-2010, 09:15 PM
Strubin.

Frontman
04-19-2010, 09:17 PM
Subsequent seasons no longer count?

I vote manager by committee.

That's 5 months off. If Ozzie is staying around that long; then this season isn't finishing the way its started.

I'll cross that bridge when we get to it. But a mid-season replacement is more "white flag" than trading talent in my opinion.

doublem23
04-19-2010, 09:18 PM
That's 5 months off. If Ozzie is staying around that long; then this season isn't finishing the way its started.

I'll cross that bridge when we get to it. But a mid-season replacement is more "white flag" than trading talent in my opinion.

Just like the Rockies last year.

Frontman
04-19-2010, 09:20 PM
Just like the Rockies last year.

Firing Ozzie will not change how the team is constructed. It still doesn't give the team a power hitter from the left. It still doesn't give the team a solid left handed reliever besides Thorton. It also doesn't get out of Linebrink's contract, which Kenny signed off of.

If Ozzie gets fired mid-season; so should Kenny. Kenny put together the team Ozzie wanted and felt he could manage successfully. If Ozzie fails; Kenny fails as well in my book.

Noneck
04-19-2010, 09:33 PM
Just like the Rockies last year.
Or the Marlins of '03.

Frontman
04-19-2010, 09:35 PM
Or the Marlins of '03.

Did the Mets hoist the trophy when they made Jerry Manuel manager halfway through the season?

No?

Again, wasted season if it isn't going to get the team into the playoffs/series/championship.

Noneck
04-19-2010, 09:38 PM
Did the Mets hoist the trophy when they made Jerry Manuel manager halfway through the season?

No?

Again, wasted season if it isn't going to get the team into the playoffs/series/championship.

The point is, changing a manager during the season does not always mean a team is giving up for the year and the year is lost.

Nelfox02
04-19-2010, 10:16 PM
Vinny DelNegro?

WhiteSox1989
04-19-2010, 10:17 PM
Me.

GoGoCrede
04-19-2010, 10:18 PM
Me.

I love your new sig pic! :smile:

WhiteSox1989
04-19-2010, 10:19 PM
I love your new sig pic! :smile:
Thanks. I've got quite the crush on Mr. Rose.

Frater Perdurabo
04-20-2010, 06:07 AM
Jeff Torborg, Clint Hurdle or Tom Kelly

LITTLE NELL
04-20-2010, 06:16 AM
Carlton Fisk, he would teach these homer happy swing for the fences guys we have on how to hit the ball where its pitched and play the game the right way.

konerko 14
04-20-2010, 06:25 AM
Joe Torre :D:

HebrewHammer
04-20-2010, 07:43 AM
Vinny DelNegro?

Makes sense. He's going to be looking for a job soon.

If its mid-season, it'll probably be an internal cantidate. Joey Cora would probably get the job. What if Greg Walker got the job? I think I'd have a heart attack. I could only imagine what Greg Walker's ideal lineup would look like.

EMachine10
04-20-2010, 08:16 AM
AJ.

Seriously, though, I think he will be a great manager someday.

Viva Medias B's
04-20-2010, 08:22 AM
While I don't see Ozzie getting canned any time soon, in spite of the bad start, I think Buddy Bell would be the leading candidate to replace Ozzie if he were fired. Bell is currently the White Sox Director of Player Development and has managerial experience as we all know. I do not know if I would endorse Bell replacing Ozzie, but that is what I think would happen.

Shoeless
04-20-2010, 08:22 AM
Dan Bernstein seems to know a lot about baseball. Why not him? :smile:

Chez
04-20-2010, 10:34 AM
Terry Bevington is available. Has been for quite a while.

g0g0
04-20-2010, 10:43 AM
AJ.

Seriously, though, I think he will be a great manager someday.

I was thinking the same thing. Though I wouldn't mind him being a player-coach.

JorgeFabregas
04-20-2010, 10:49 AM
Hire Wally Backman for ****s and giggles.

Woofer
04-20-2010, 10:50 AM
Greg Walker

soxinem1
04-20-2010, 10:50 AM
Bob Feller had over 270 complete games in his career. He had more complete games than wins!

I'll do you one better. Cy Young had 749 CG's and 511 wins!!

That means 238 times we finished as a losing pitcher.

Nowadays, it is tough to get starters to make 238 starts in their careers!!

Tragg
04-20-2010, 10:56 AM
Well, there's really no point in firing Ozzie if Williams isn't fired too. Williams is the one who loaded the team up and used scarce resources on Ozzie-style ballplayers whose best skill is "moving those runners up". Williams gave little concern to defense or OBP (at the bequest of Guillen, imo, but he still did it).

Second, the obvious successor would be Cora, and it would be pointless to put Ozzie's yes-man in charge.

wilburaga
04-20-2010, 11:14 AM
Morris Buttermaker

DumpJerry
04-20-2010, 11:34 AM
Hawk. Or DJ.

By the way, the reason why pitchers today do not go as many innings as they did back in the day is because of the change in the mound's height means more breaking pitches and less fastballs. Tougher on the arm.

SI1020
04-20-2010, 11:49 AM
Hawk. Or DJ.

By the way, the reason why pitchers today do not go as many innings as they did back in the day is because of the change in the mound's height means more breaking pitches and less fastballs. Tougher on the arm. The mound was lowered in 1969 in large part because pitching had become so dominant. 31 game winner Denny McClain racked up 336 innings in 68 and 325 the following year with the lowered mound. Bob Gibson had his unreal off the charts year in 1968 chalking up 304 2/3 and then upped his total to 314 with the lowered mound. Why did league leaders pitch in the vicinity of 300 or more innings up until 1980? No one has been able to explain to me satisfactorily why today's pitchers lack the stamina of those in previous generations.

veeter
04-20-2010, 12:07 PM
It's amazing to think that pitchers back in those days threw numerous complete games, 100+ pitches, and thought nothing of it. Times have really changed.Players would play with pain, a lot of pain.

doublem23
04-20-2010, 12:16 PM
The mound was lowered in 1969 in large part because pitching had become so dominant. 31 game winner Denny McClain racked up 336 innings in 68 and 325 the following year with the lowered mound. Bob Gibson had his unreal off the charts year in 1968 chalking up 304 2/3 and then upped his total to 314 with the lowered mound. Why did league leaders pitch in the vicinity of 300 or more innings up until 1980? No one has been able to explain to me satisfactorily why today's pitchers lack the stamina of those in previous generations.

Well in 1969, there were 24 teams, so that's 6 more today, roughly another 72 pitchers to thin out the talent pool. Plus, pitchers didn't command 8 and now 9-figure contracts. Even superstars like Bob Gibson were more or less expendable, from an accountant's perspective. Finally, pitchers in the 60s were pitching to far, far weaker hitters. There were no roided up bodybuilders who can easily hit the ball 450 feet. Game was much, much smaller back in the 60s. Not saying guys like Gibson couldn't make it in today's game, but he probably couldn't pitch in a way that allowed him to toss 300 IP and expect to succeed.

Rounding_Third
04-20-2010, 12:24 PM
Steve Stone but keep Coop. He has such a great "feel" for the game. Managing the pitching staff would be done so much better, at the very least. The way Ozzie is using Thornton, his arm will be spent by Aug 1st.

TheOldRoman
04-20-2010, 12:34 PM
Well in 1969, there were 24 teams, so that's 6 more today, roughly another 72 pitchers to thin out the talent pool. Plus, pitchers didn't command 8 and now 9-figure contracts. Even superstars like Bob Gibson were more or less expendable, from an accountant's perspective. Finally, pitchers in the 60s were pitching to far, far weaker hitters. There were no roided up bodybuilders who can easily hit the ball 450 feet. Game was much, much smaller back in the 60s. Not saying guys like Gibson couldn't make it in today's game, but he probably couldn't pitch in a way that allowed him to toss 300 IP and expect to succeed.That is all true. Daver has touched on this before, but I think the players aren't strong enough because they don't throw enough. If they threw more and regularly, they would have more arm strength. Pitch counts are set and managers don't want to go over them for fear of 1) hurting the pitcher, and 2) being blamed if pitch number 120 is a poor one.
The game changed a lot, with the refining of the closer and set-up men roles. Those are now positions teams have to consider. They are ingrained into the game to the point that, if a manager goes against them, they are second guessed more heavily. Peavy pitched well on Saturday, but he made a bad pitch on number 109, which isn't past the point of exhaustion by any means. Still, people called for Ozzie's head and said Thornton should have started the inning "because its the 8th inning and he is the set-up man." If a manager plays it by the books, there is one less thing he can be criticized for.

SI1020
04-20-2010, 12:41 PM
Well in 1969, there were 24 teams, so that's 6 more today, roughly another 72 pitchers to thin out the talent pool. Plus, pitchers didn't command 8 and now 9-figure contracts. Even superstars like Bob Gibson were more or less expendable, from an accountant's perspective. Finally, pitchers in the 60s were pitching to far, far weaker hitters. There were no roided up bodybuilders who can easily hit the ball 450 feet. Game was much, much smaller back in the 60s. Not saying guys like Gibson couldn't make it in today's game, but he probably couldn't pitch in a way that allowed him to toss 300 IP and expect to succeed. 60s and 70s hitters in the AL included Mickey Mantle, Harmon Killebrew, Boog Powell, Frank Robinson, Carl Yastrzemski, Dick Allen, Frank Howard, Tony Oliva, Fred Lynn, Reggie Jackson and Jim Rice. In the NL Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Billy Williams, Willie McCovey, Mike Schmidt, Dave Parker, and George Foster. Of course Dick Allen and Frank Robinson excelled in both leagues. Yes, some terrible hitters those overrated pitchers had to face. Even giving some credence to a thinner talent pool among pitchers why can't the elite ones go 300 innings and pitch at least 20 complete games? There's probably no way for me to avoid being labeled the hidebound old fart, but if that is the case so be it. Today's pitchers just don't have the stamina of those in past generations. To me it's a plain and simple fact. I don't pretend to know why.

VMSNS
04-20-2010, 12:53 PM
Steve Stone but keep Coop. He has such a great "feel" for the game. Managing the pitching staff would be done so much better, at the very least. The way Ozzie is using Thornton, his arm will be spent by Aug 1st.

I like Stone a lot. I think he'd make a good manager or GM.

If Kenny fires Ozzie, then someone from outside the organization should be brought it. Someone who has a good eye for evaluating talent and stresses fundamental baseball skills.

pssondacubs
04-20-2010, 01:01 PM
I like Stone a lot. I think he'd make a good manager or GM.

Totally agree. But give Stone a chance to pick his own manager with no input from the top...(Jerry).

Foulke You
04-20-2010, 01:16 PM
While I don't see Ozzie getting canned any time soon, in spite of the bad start, I think Buddy Bell would be the leading candidate to replace Ozzie if he were fired. Bell is currently the White Sox Director of Player Development and has managerial experience as we all know. I do not know if I would endorse Bell replacing Ozzie, but that is what I think would happen.
I agree that Buddy Bell would likely be the guy who would step in if it came to that. He has the most qualifications and experience and happens to be already with the team.

Also, how would anyone feel about Eric Wedge? I don't have any strong feelings on him either way but curious to know what people here thinks of him. As a casual observer, it seemed to me that he lost his job with the Tribe because it was the only move the team could make to show the fans in Cleveland that they were trying to make changes.

Carneyman14
04-20-2010, 01:55 PM
I'd just like to see someone brought up from MiLB or taken from a hitting/pitching coach from another MLB team. To me, there isn't really a great coach that would be available.

downstairs
04-20-2010, 02:12 PM
No manager- lets the fans decide on lineups and plays via text message.

Oh, and no, Ozzie is going nowhere.

GoGoCrede
04-20-2010, 02:27 PM
No manager- lets the fans decide on lineups and plays via text message.

Oh, and no, Ozzie is going nowhere.

I say the lineup should be decided by the Applause-O-Meter. :redneck

soxinem1
04-20-2010, 02:43 PM
I agree that Buddy Bell would likely be the guy who would step in if it came to that. He has the most qualifications and experience and happens to be already with the team.

Also, how would anyone feel about Eric Wedge? I don't have any strong feelings on him either way but curious to know what people here thinks of him. As a casual observer, it seemed to me that he lost his job with the Tribe because it was the only move the team could make to show the fans in Cleveland that they were trying to make changes.

Buddy Bell has failed with talented rosters several times as a Field Manager.

As a GM that might be a different story. He seems better at finding and developing players.

I always felt Graig Nettles would have been an excellent Manager. When he was younger he seemed to want to do that one day, but maybe his interest waned over time. As he is in his mid-60's now, I doubt he'd want to be a rookie Manager.

If Ozzie were to get fired I would not be suprised to see Reinsdorf intervene and try to bring LaRussa back at the end of the season.

LaRussa and Lamont were the last Managers fired during a season.

g0g0
04-20-2010, 02:46 PM
No manager- lets the fans decide on lineups and plays via text message.

This goes well until Colbert mobilizes 13 year olds around the country and Southpaw becomes our ace lol.

bunty_doghunter
04-20-2010, 02:51 PM
Bobby Valentine! :redneck

KyWhiSoxFan
04-20-2010, 04:21 PM
Jerry Krause.

Crestani
04-20-2010, 05:23 PM
Pudge Fisk.

BringHomeDaBacon
04-20-2010, 05:34 PM
Isn't it obvious?

Daaaaaaaaaa Coach!

LongLiveFisk
04-20-2010, 05:39 PM
Pudge Fisk.

Yes! Him!

I doubt he'd want it though. Enjoying retirement too much.

soltrain21
04-20-2010, 05:40 PM
It'd probably be someone like Sandy Alomar Jr.

wolcott10
04-20-2010, 06:11 PM
Geoff Peterson

A. Cavatica
04-20-2010, 07:38 PM
Daver.

yazz32
04-20-2010, 08:51 PM
Hire Jim Mora for one day just so he can say " Playoffs??? " with extra added facial expressions to the Chicago Media.

tick53
04-21-2010, 10:57 PM
:pudge

Here's the guy!

Lip Man 1
04-21-2010, 11:01 PM
I'd love to see Pudge, it's an outside the box kind of hiring like with Ozzie, but he has no interest in returning to baseball in that capacity.

Lip

Rikirk
04-22-2010, 12:26 AM
Bob Uecker....hey,couldnt be any worse.

In all seriousness, Carlton Fisk would be just what the dr. ordered.

SluggersAway
04-22-2010, 05:31 AM
Black Jack McDowell.

He is done blogging it seems: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/black-jack-white-sox/

And now ready to kick ass!

Viva Medias B's
04-22-2010, 07:51 AM
To those of you who want Carlton Fisk to come back and manage, that is not practical. He has not been in baseball since 1993. Just because one was a great player does not necessarily mean they would be a great manager. Case in point: Ted Williams.

parlaycard
04-22-2010, 08:12 AM
This topic is way off base. Ozzie isnt getting fired. Period. You might think he deserves to get fired, but its not going to happen. This is the way Jerry Reinsdorf does business.

Why not start a post, "If Gordon Beckham dies, who would play second base?" or "If US Cellular Field burned down where would the Sox play?"

Balfanman
04-22-2010, 08:12 AM
It would require dealing with the devil, but I like the way Bob Brenly approaches the game and he has managed previously.

Tragg
04-22-2010, 08:29 AM
I'm sure he'll be here as long as he wants to be but Ozzie's low obp, bunting, and solo home run philosophy has consistently failed to produce runs at a reasonable rate.

soxinem1
04-22-2010, 08:33 AM
To those of you who want Carlton Fisk to come back and manage, that is not practical. He has not been in baseball since 1993. Just because one was a great player does not necessarily mean they would be a great manager. Case in point: Ted Williams.

Not only that, but Reinsdorf will NOT allow it. There is no love lost between these two, so even if Fisk wanted to manage, it would more likely be in BOS than here.

Viva Medias B's
04-22-2010, 08:40 AM
Unless things go real bad, I see Ozzie lasting at least the balance of the season without getting fired unless he quits in frustration (something I would not put past him). As for who would replace him, I am not sure Tony LaRussa coming back is a sure thing. For starters, the Cardinals are looking strong so far and I don't see St. Louis brass getting rid of him unless he wants to leave. Also, would TLR replace Coop with Dave Duncan?

24thStFan
04-22-2010, 09:49 AM
What about Coop as manager? He's done a great job with pitching. Give him a shot with the rest of the team.

salty99
04-22-2010, 09:52 AM
Razor Shines or

BRIAN26!!!

Lip Man 1
04-22-2010, 10:40 AM
Viva:

In the unlikely event that Tony came back to manage, he'd bring his entire coaching staff with him. They've been together since he was in Oakland and of course Dave and Tony were together with the Sox...so yes to your question.

Lip

BainesHOF
04-22-2010, 12:43 PM
Fisk is exactly what this teams needs.

I wouldn't be against making Cora the interim manager for the rest of the season and see what happens.

LaRussa and his staff would be great next year. He wasn't a good manager when he got fired by us in the '80s, but he's obviously learned a lot since then. To this day, I think he's too uptight, but one thing about his teams...they always play hard.

Craig Grebeck
04-22-2010, 12:44 PM
Joey Cora would be a trainwreck. What is the difference between he and Ozzie?

PhillipsBubba
04-22-2010, 06:52 PM
Buddy Bell

Brian26
04-22-2010, 07:08 PM
Fisk is exactly what this teams needs.

I wouldn't be against making Cora the interim manager for the rest of the season and see what happens.

LaRussa and his staff would be great next year. He wasn't a good manager when he got fired by us in the '80s, but he's obviously learned a lot since then. To this day, I think he's too uptight, but one thing about his teams...they always play hard.

I'd hate to see Coop get the ax for Duncan.

canOcorn
04-22-2010, 07:32 PM
I'd hate to see Coop get the ax for Duncan.

Duncan has been a great pitching coach. I'm not taking anything away from Coop, but that's not exactly a downgrade. I'd be surprised if LaRussa is ever our manager again, but I don't know if he's married to Duncan. I thought there was a lot of discussion Duncan was going to leave the Cardinals this offseason because of Duncan's perceived poor treatment of his son by team management.

A. Cavatica
04-22-2010, 07:48 PM
Torborg would be a good choice, if he's interested.

It's Dankerific
04-22-2010, 08:10 PM
Torborg would be a good choice, if he's interested.

I really liked him when he was here before.

Didnt he only go to NY because of family obligations?

Daver
04-22-2010, 08:55 PM
Daver.

I know nothing about baseball.

A. Cavatica
04-22-2010, 09:31 PM
I know nothing about baseball.

So you've said. But to your credit, neither does our current manager.

TheOldRoman
04-22-2010, 09:31 PM
So you've said. But to your credit, neither does our current manager.:rolleyes:

mcsoxfan
04-22-2010, 11:10 PM
My fellow Sox fans. I love all you of madly. But you have to the facts.

Getting rid of the GM and/or manager is not the point and is not going to solve anything.

Jerry Reinsdorf is the source of all of the problems.

You can rant and rave all you want.

Nothing and I mean nothing is going to change until the White Sox are under an ownership committed to winning. That means elevating the Sox in terms of payroll to bring compelling and complete ballplayers to play here and scouts who can recognize talent and being able sign these players when they come our way. It means having experienced leadership in the GM and manager positions.

Don't you long for the day when you here the White Sox mentioned among those actively seeking the elite players? Steve Boras is the agent of choice for a many of baseball more gifted players. You want guys in his stable, you deal with him.

I do not understand why Reinsdorf continually gets treated with a long-handle spoon. They wouldn't put up with him in New York or Boston. Why should we?

sox1970
04-22-2010, 11:13 PM
The problem isn't their payroll level. It's how they spend it. And it's Scott Boras; not Steve.

JB98
04-22-2010, 11:16 PM
The problem isn't their payroll level. It's how they spend it. And it's Scott Boras; not Steve.

Agree completely. The payroll is $103 million. That's $40 million HIGHER than the 2005 World Series champs.

JR's problem is he is too loyal to his people. The baseball people in this organization are not getting the job done.

If this doesn't turn around, JR is going to wonder why he got so little return on his $103 million investment. Rightfully so.

Soxfest
04-22-2010, 11:23 PM
:angry: Hell No to Cora he is an idiot!:angry:

Lip Man 1
04-22-2010, 11:29 PM
Dank:

To answer your question, no and because of it I highly doubt he would have any interest. Let's just say you'll find out more about this in about four weeks.

Lip

VMSNS
04-22-2010, 11:33 PM
The problem isn't their payroll level. It's how they spend it. And it's Scott Boras; not Steve.

Exactly. Look at the Twins.

Lip Man 1
04-22-2010, 11:36 PM
VMSNS:

Don't know if you realize this but the Twins are no longer, 'small spenders...'

I think they have a payroll around 95 million right now. If the Sox payroll is around 103 million that's not much of a difference but the talent gap is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

Lip

sox1970
04-22-2010, 11:38 PM
Yep, the Twins are players now. The old man died, and the kids are spending. Plus the new park is going to be filled for years. Frightening thought of what they can be the next 10 years.

VMSNS
04-22-2010, 11:42 PM
I suppose what I was trying to say is that their payroll is less than ours (by about 15 million) and they're a much better team because they spend their money better and stress good fundamental baseball, something the Sox don't do.

soxinem1
04-23-2010, 08:00 PM
Yep, the Twins are players now. The old man died, and the kids are spending. Plus the new park is going to be filled for years. Frightening thought of what they can be the next 10 years.

Playing in a real, revenue-producing ballpark for the first time in their history helps too.

Torborg would be a good choice, if he's interested.

I liked him too, but I think he worked better for that time. His rah-rah, high intensity style might not work to well nowadays.

Plus, the way Scheuler treated him might have left a good, anti-White Sox taste with him.

sox1970
04-25-2010, 07:18 PM
Listening to Joey Cora on the Score.

He says "it is what it is" for every question.

For that reason alone, I don't want him to ever manage the Sox.

tstrike2000
04-25-2010, 07:50 PM
Whoever suggested Joey Cora and Carlton Fisk....please stop making suggestions now.

voodoochile
04-25-2010, 07:51 PM
How about Walker. I mean he's the hitting instructor on a team that won a championship and another division title in a span of 4 years. I think he's ready for the next step, no? :tongue:

Nellie_Fox
04-26-2010, 12:20 AM
How about Walker. I mean he's the hitting instructor on a team that won a championship and another division title in a span of 4 years. I think he's ready for the next step, no? :tongue::stirpot:

voodoochile
04-26-2010, 02:19 AM
:stirpot:

:angel:

A. Cavatica
04-26-2010, 07:50 PM
How about Walker. I mean he's the hitting instructor on a team that won a championship and another division title in a span of 4 years. I think he's ready for the next step, no? :tongue:

Off a short pier.

UChicagoHP
04-26-2010, 07:57 PM
I'll be extremely pissed if Ozzie is fired, due to my belief that he is a better than average manager, and that simply means he may win an extra game or two due to his decisions. Not very important in the grand scheme of things, but you can't fire the players!

I'd like the Sox to bring in a manager that will bring Kenny Williams' vision to life, so to say. Meaning the GM is choosing the players for this team for a reason, and I'd want a manager that consults with Williams regarding playing time/depth/etc...

Kenny is the talent evaluator, the one who makes the tough calls, lets see if his talent evaluation is the real deal. If not, bring in a new crew and start over.

So, I don't know who the hot-shot 30-45 year old coaching prospects are, but I'd pick the best one available, and not some re-tread who is stuck in his ways(unless those ways have produced a title or two). A young guy, in theory, would be more open to Williams' suggestions, and that is what I want. He doesn't have to do EVERYTHING Williams wants, but I'd like the two to work together.

RANDY WILES
04-29-2010, 02:27 PM
Firing Ozzie will not change how the team is constructed. It still doesn't give the team a power hitter from the left. It still doesn't give the team a solid left handed reliever besides Thorton. It also doesn't get out of Linebrink's contract, which Kenny signed off of.

If Ozzie gets fired mid-season; so should Kenny. Kenny put together the team Ozzie wanted and felt he could manage successfully. If Ozzie fails; Kenny fails as well in my book.

UNTIL THIS YEAR i WOULD HAVE AGREED WITH YOU. But its the same thing bad defense, no clutch hitting, Does anyone ever get better---with the exception of Thornton ans Danks. NO Jenks, Ramierez (actually regressed from when he had NO MLB experience), Quentin, Beckham, Pierre,--when they come here they play down to the mamagers level of expectations--A real trainwreck.

RANDY WILES
04-29-2010, 02:34 PM
VMSNS:

Don't know if you realize this but the Twins are no longer, 'small spenders...'

I think they have a payroll around 95 million right now. If the Sox payroll is around 103 million that's not much of a difference but the talent gap is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

Lip

Good Post--but the problem is that the Twins players stay good or improve---ours get worse. What a prospect Alexi was---now he is worse than when he had no MLB experience. Rarely do our free agents match their career stats. This is a field management issue--not a GM or ownership issue. In my humble opinion.

300bowler
05-05-2010, 09:41 AM
:stirpot:

Lou Brown former manager of the Indians is available I here.:gulp:MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Beer.-Homer Simpson

whitem0nkey
05-05-2010, 12:11 PM
re-hire Ozzie Guillen