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Viva Medias B's
04-16-2010, 01:55 PM
Joe Cowley is calling on (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/2164326,CST-SPT-cowley16.article) the Toronto Blue Jays to pack up and leave Canada. We all saw that abysmal number of fans in the stands for the second, third, and fourth games of this series we just played up there. When I saw that, it reminded me of the latter years of the Montreal Expos at Stade Olympique. This is the franchise's 34th season in Toronto, and I am beginning to wonder how many seasons they have left. When their stadium opened up as the SkyDome midway through the 1989 season, it was a state of the art palace. Now, as the Rogers Centre, it seems like the building has become a white elephant for baseball.

Could this be the beginning of the end of the Toronto Blue Jays? And, if so, where could the Blue Jays franchise relocate to should it come to that?

khan
04-16-2010, 02:03 PM
This is a stupid column by a stupid writer.

Here's a simple question to ask Mr. Cowley:

When was the last time that Toronto was good at baseball? [Subquestion] When was the last time that Toronto had a REAL chance to win anything?


See, the poor attendance really isn't all that difficult to figure out:

If your product sucks ass, then NO ONE in their right mind [outside of the mopes that go to Wrigley] will spend GOOD MONEY on it. Trading away Halladay won't help them much, either.


Here's a simple recipe for Toronto to improve their attendance:
1. Fix the team, and get GOOD at baseball.
2. Have a few quality players that people will pay money to go see play.
3. Enjoy a few seasons of strong attendance.


Toronto is a town that hasn't won anything in a long time. If they win, the fans will come. Everything else by Cowley in the column is mental masturbation.

GoGoCrede
04-16-2010, 02:09 PM
They're in an awful division if they want to win anything. I pity them and the Orioles.

ilsox7
04-16-2010, 02:09 PM
Why does anyone pay attention to Cowley? Don't click on any links to his idiocy, read his ****, or talk about it and it may go away. Argh.

JorgeFabregas
04-16-2010, 02:09 PM
Toronto was 22nd in attendance last year with a sub-.500 team.

Should baseball leave Ohio (Reds and Indians were both lower) and Florida (Rays and Marlins were both lower) as well?


The players and press just don't like going through customs to get there.

PaleHoser
04-16-2010, 02:21 PM
I'm glad Cowley wasn't writing for the Sun-Times when the Sox weren't drawing flies in the late 80's. The Sox would be playing home games in Florida (or South America) if he had his way.

jdm2662
04-16-2010, 02:24 PM
Seriously? Did anyone remember the teams the Jays had in the late 80s/early 90s? They drew over 4 million people with those teams. The Blackhawks couldn't draw flies when they stunk. Now, the ticket is hard to get because they are winning now. Cowley should just write for the National Inqurier.

TDog
04-16-2010, 02:46 PM
I'm glad people didn't call on the White Sox to leave Chicago after they drew less than half a million fans for 83 home games in 1970. Actually, a lot of people called on the White Sox to leave Chicago, and some of them were in Chicago.

I'm glad the White Sox didn't leave Chicago, though.

I'm not sure it was a good thing or the Expos to leave Montreal. But the Expos never had the incredible support that the Blue Jays did.

jabrch
04-16-2010, 02:47 PM
Why does anyone pay attention to Cowley? Don't click on any links to his idiocy, read his ****, or talk about it and it may go away. Argh.


There are few mediots I dislike more than Cowley. I agree - I wouldn't read much of his crap if he had the last jerkoff with a press pass. He sits in rare air as far as I am concerned. He should go to AOL Sports with Mariotti. Both are equally contemptable in my eyes.

ilsox7
04-16-2010, 02:59 PM
There are few mediots I dislike more than Cowley. I agree - I wouldn't read much of his crap if he had the last jerkoff with a press pass. He sits in rare air as far as I am concerned. He should go to AOL Sports with Mariotti. Both are equally contemptable in my eyes.

Sadly, people still read and talk about these idiots. Frustrating as hell.

g0g0
04-16-2010, 03:03 PM
Meh. They have as many WS wins as the Cubs and theirs came less than 20 years ago!

tstrike2000
04-16-2010, 03:08 PM
They're in an awful division if they want to win anything. I pity them and the Orioles.

True, at least the Orioles though have some really good young players they can continue to build their team around.

Jim Shorts
04-16-2010, 03:14 PM
Is DeLuca still at the Sun-Times?

What happened there?

Sorry to hi-jack the thread.

Gammons Peter
04-16-2010, 03:36 PM
Joe hates Toronto

from wiki:

In May 2004 while traveling with the White Sox on a road trip to Toronto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto), Cowley made disparaging remarks about the city of Toronto in a radio interview, calling it “nothing but a city in a third-world country.” [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley#cite_note-0) Subsequently during the series in Toronto, Cowley refused to stand for the Canadian national anthem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_national_anthem) prior to a game. Toronto Blue Jays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays) president Paul Godfrey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Godfrey) described Cowley as having “bad manners” and had letters of complaint sent to both Cowley and his publisher over the incident.

WhiteSoxFTW
04-16-2010, 04:13 PM
Joe hates Toronto

from wiki:

In May 2004 while traveling with the White Sox on a road trip to Toronto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto), Cowley made disparaging remarks about the city of Toronto in a radio interview, calling it “nothing but a city in a third-world country.” [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley#cite_note-0) Subsequently during the series in Toronto, Cowley refused to stand for the Canadian national anthem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_national_anthem) prior to a game. Toronto Blue Jays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays) president Paul Godfrey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Godfrey) described Cowley as having “bad manners” and had letters of complaint sent to both Cowley and his publisher over the incident.

Cowley's an asshat.

DSpivack
04-16-2010, 04:14 PM
What an asshat.

How do you hate Toronto? A great city and the 2nd best on the Great Lakes.

TommyJohn
04-16-2010, 04:16 PM
I'm glad people didn't call on the White Sox to leave Chicago after they drew less than half a million fans for 83 home games in 1970. Actually, a lot of people called on the White Sox to leave Chicago, and some of them were in Chicago.

I'm glad the White Sox didn't leave Chicago, though.

I'm not sure it was a good thing or the Expos to leave Montreal. But the Expos never had the incredible support that the Blue Jays did.My favorite were the people who called on the Sox to leave Chicago in 1988 because the town would be rid of Einhorn and Reinsdorf. And these were Sox fans.

twsoxfan5
04-16-2010, 04:18 PM
Idiot is too nice of a word to describe Cowley. I started to follow him on Twitter to get Sox updates, but after this week I am no longer following him. His comments were so juvenile and very disrespectful of Canada in general. I was embarrassed that he writes for our city.

spawn
04-16-2010, 04:30 PM
Idiot is too nice of a word to describe Cowley. I started to follow him on Twitter to get Sox updates, but after this week I am no longer following him. His comments were so juvenile and very disrespectful of Canada in general. I was embarrassed that he writes for our city.
I stopped following him a few weeks ago. He thinks he's clecer in his tweets. He comes off soulding like a juvenile.

WhiteSox5187
04-16-2010, 04:37 PM
Toronto was 22nd in attendance last year with a sub-.500 team.

Should baseball leave Ohio (Reds and Indians were both lower) and Florida (Rays and Marlins were both lower) as well?


The players and press just don't like going through customs to get there.

Probably, the Rays were fresh off a pennant last year and they couldn't draw when they weren't playing the Yankees or the Red Sox. Baseball in Florida sure looks like a failed experiment. If the Marlins don't draw with their new stadium (and a competitive team) it will be proof positive that for whatever reason baseball in Florida just won't work.

asindc
04-16-2010, 04:38 PM
How do you hate Toronto? A great city and the 2nd best on the Great Lakes.

Yes and Yes. Cowley is a 1st-class jerk and an embarassment to American journalism.

ilsox7
04-16-2010, 04:41 PM
Yes and Yes. Cowley is a 1st-class jerk and an embarassment to American journalism.

He's an embarrassment to human beings.

spawn
04-16-2010, 04:43 PM
Yes and Yes. Cowley is a 1st-class jerk and an embarassment to American journalism.

He's an embarrassment to human beings.
He's an embarrasment to mammals.

WhiteSox5187
04-16-2010, 04:49 PM
I'm glad people didn't call on the White Sox to leave Chicago after they drew less than half a million fans for 83 home games in 1970. Actually, a lot of people called on the White Sox to leave Chicago, and some of them were in Chicago.

I'm glad the White Sox didn't leave Chicago, though.

I'm not sure it was a good thing or the Expos to leave Montreal. But the Expos never had the incredible support that the Blue Jays did.

Actually from the late 1970s to the mid 1980s the Expos were consistently in the top ten of attendance in the MLB drawing over 2 million (when 2 million was a big deal) in '79, '80, '82, '83 and coming very close in the strike year of '81 and again in '87, '89, '92, '93. The rise of the Blue Jays certainly hurt the Expos and then Loria killed them. But the Expos were a rather successful franchise up until 1994 both in attendance and on the field.

Iwritecode
04-16-2010, 05:07 PM
Probably, the Rays were fresh off a pennant last year and they couldn't draw when they weren't playing the Yankees or the Red Sox. Baseball in Florida sure looks like a failed experiment. If the Marlins don't draw with their new stadium (and a competitive team) it will be proof positive that for whatever reason baseball in Florida just won't work.

The Rays have 9 years of really bad teams to make up for. If they stay competitive for a few more years the attendance might climb a little more. Although that's a hearty task considering the division they play in.

GoGoCrede
04-16-2010, 05:16 PM
Joe hates Toronto

from wiki:

In May 2004 while traveling with the White Sox on a road trip to Toronto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto), Cowley made disparaging remarks about the city of Toronto in a radio interview, calling it “nothing but a city in a third-world country.” [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley#cite_note-0) Subsequently during the series in Toronto, Cowley refused to stand for the Canadian national anthem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_national_anthem) prior to a game. Toronto Blue Jays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays) president Paul Godfrey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Godfrey) described Cowley as having “bad manners” and had letters of complaint sent to both Cowley and his publisher over the incident.

Cowley, you're a stupid ****ing idiot for doing this. Have some class. I wish I could have your job, since most of it seems like simply bitching over Twitter, taking shots at Reifert, and being an idiot. Seems like an easy gig to me.

Er, sorry for the rant, everyone.

eriqjaffe
04-16-2010, 05:22 PM
Idiot is too nice of a word to describe Cowley. I started to follow him on Twitter to get Sox updates, but after this week I am no longer following him. His comments were so juvenile and very disrespectful of Canada in general. I was embarrassed that he writes for our city."

It'd be different if his tweets were entertaining, but he is painfully unfunny.

spawn
04-16-2010, 05:41 PM
Cowley, you're a stupid ****ing idiot for doing this. Have some class. I wish I could have your job, since most of it seems like simply bitching over Twitter, taking shots at Reifert, and being an idiot. Seems like an easy gig to me.

Er, sorry for the rant, everyone.
Never apologize for a good rant! :thumbsup:

GlassSox
04-16-2010, 07:14 PM
He's a legend in is own hand

TheVulture
04-16-2010, 08:43 PM
Cowley should hang out with that punk kid from Philly. They could travel N. America vomiting on baseball fans together.

Viva Medias B's
04-16-2010, 08:45 PM
He's an embarrasment to mammals.

And reptiles and amphibians too.

TommyJohn
04-17-2010, 12:19 AM
He registered here a few years ago and demonstrated for all to see that he was a first class turd.

Rudy Law
04-17-2010, 02:54 AM
Meh. They have as many WS wins as the Cubs and theirs came less than 20 years ago!


What the hell does that have to do with anything?....

Red Barchetta
04-17-2010, 04:37 PM
This is a stupid column by a stupid writer.

Here's a simple question to ask Mr. Cowley:

When was the last time that Toronto was good at baseball? [Subquestion] When was the last time that Toronto had a REAL chance to win anything?


See, the poor attendance really isn't all that difficult to figure out:

If your product sucks ass, then NO ONE in their right mind [outside of the mopes that go to Wrigley] will spend GOOD MONEY on it. Trading away Halladay won't help them much, either.


Here's a simple recipe for Toronto to improve their attendance:
1. Fix the team, and get GOOD at baseball.
2. Have a few quality players that people will pay money to go see play.
3. Enjoy a few seasons of strong attendance.
4. Bring back the original uniforms that make them look like Blue Jays vs. Black Jays with blue trim.


Toronto is a town that hasn't won anything in a long time. If they win, the fans will come. Everything else by Cowley in the column is mental masturbation.


...I added one.

sullythered
04-17-2010, 05:05 PM
Joe hates Toronto

from wiki:

In May 2004 while traveling with the White Sox on a road trip to Toronto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto), Cowley made disparaging remarks about the city of Toronto in a radio interview, calling it “nothing but a city in a third-world country.” [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley#cite_note-0) Subsequently during the series in Toronto, Cowley refused to stand for the Canadian national anthem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_national_anthem) prior to a game. Toronto Blue Jays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays) president Paul Godfrey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Godfrey) described Cowley as having “bad manners” and had letters of complaint sent to both Cowley and his publisher over the incident.

What the hell is he talking about? Toronto is a nice city.

Hitmen77
04-17-2010, 05:11 PM
I disagree with Cowley, but the Blue Jays biggest problem is playing in the same division where two teams who are far more richer than everyone else almost always have a lock on playoff spots. Unlike any other division, Toronto fans know that even the Jays put together a halfway decent team, they have a very slim chance to make the playoffs. The '08 Rays were by far the exception to this reality.

If MLB doesn't want to have empty ballparks in large North American cities, then they'll have to do something about the Yankees and BoSox outspending everyone else by almost double.

The other problem is that Toronto spent a billion dollars to build the Skydome and it had only a few short years being seen as a top-notch baseball stadium before the baseball-only retro park revolution of the 1990s came along. Suddenly the Rogers Centre's artificial turf and cold, sterile decor makes it look woefully obsolete. Sorry, but watching the Sox play at the Rogers Centre is hard on the eyes.....and it's not only because of the Sox craptacular play.

Red Barchetta
04-17-2010, 05:52 PM
I disagree with Cowley, but the Blue Jays biggest problem is playing in the same division where two teams who are far more richer than everyone else almost always have a lock on playoff spots. Unlike any other division, Toronto fans know that even the Jays put together a halfway decent team, they have a very slim chance to make the playoffs. The '08 Rays were by far the exception to this reality.

If MLB doesn't want to have empty ballparks in large North American cities, then they'll have to do something about the Yankees and BoSox outspending everyone else by almost double.

The other problem is that Toronto spent a billion dollars to build the Skydome and it had only a few short years being seen as a top-notch baseball stadium before the baseball-only retro park revolution of the 1990s came along. Suddenly the Rogers Centre's artificial turf and cold, sterile decor makes it look woefully obsolete. Sorry, but watching the Sox play at the Rogers Centre is hard on the eyes.....and it's not only because of the Sox craptacular play.

You think that place is bad for baseball, I actually watched a Raptors-Lakers game there before they built the Air Canada center. From our seats, the basketball court looked liked the size of a deck of cards.

The AL east now can also boast two of the worst ballparks in the league with the Rogers Center and Tropicana. Both need to go. However I disagree that the Blue Jays should move. They need to rebuild like the Rays and work on their minor league system.

ewokpelts
04-19-2010, 10:15 AM
cleveland drew 10k fans on a sunday afternoon yesterday. your point, joe?

g0g0
04-19-2010, 10:34 AM
What the hell does that have to do with anything?....

Sorry, I forgot to quote. This was more in response to when the Blue Jays won anything responses than the original attendance question.