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DaveFeelsRight
04-12-2010, 10:50 PM
What a win. So this is it how it feels to score runs and all that jazz.

Should we be worried about Peavy?

munchman33
04-12-2010, 10:50 PM
Woohoo! :bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

soxnut1018
04-12-2010, 10:50 PM
FURRY VENGEANCE!!!
:bandance::bandance::bandance:
:bliss::bliss::bliss:
kM7C_yNlCLU

soltrain21
04-12-2010, 10:51 PM
Peavy will be fine. He sucked awfully bad today, though.

Furry Vengeance is here to stay.

munchman33
04-12-2010, 10:51 PM
Should we be worried about Peavy?

Not yet. But if he's like this a month from now...assuredly.

KnightSox
04-12-2010, 10:51 PM
The offense bails out the pitching!

Jurr
04-12-2010, 10:51 PM
Jake's gotta get settled in. It's good to see Andruw, Mark, and Omar settling in nicely.

SoxGirl4Life
04-12-2010, 10:51 PM
All the new guys! Jones, Rios, Teahen, Kotsay, Vizquel. Players of the game.

And I will NOT survive this season if all the games are like this.

russ99
04-12-2010, 10:52 PM
Furry Vengeance is ours!!! :D:

:gulp:

twinslayer
04-12-2010, 10:52 PM
russ99, I just wanted to let you know that that last post you had effectively summarized that gameday thread.

Blueprint1
04-12-2010, 10:52 PM
YES!! it's been a long time since I said that after a game in Canada.

spongyfungy
04-12-2010, 10:52 PM
Jason Fraser in Furry Vengeance

RedHeadPaleHoser
04-12-2010, 10:52 PM
GoGo - address please.....:cool:

kevingrt
04-12-2010, 10:52 PM
This is going to be one hell of a long season if the first seven games are any indication of how competitive our games will be.

Heart attack or no hair by October for me. Hell I may be dead before then.

sullythered
04-12-2010, 10:52 PM
Heart attack.

Andruw Jones everyday, please.

russ99
04-12-2010, 10:52 PM
russ99, I just wanted to let you know that that last post you had effectively summarized that gameday thread.

Heee hee. Yeah. :D:

tony1972
04-12-2010, 10:53 PM
What a difference 48 hours makes...:D:

eastchicagosoxfan
04-12-2010, 10:53 PM
With the exception of the first game, has every game been a one run game? Good showing by the offense.

Woofer
04-12-2010, 10:53 PM
Hey, we have a winning streak going!

GoGoCrede
04-12-2010, 10:53 PM
:happybday:happybday to me! Thanks, Sox.

I'd like take credit for this win, BTW. :smile:

soxlady8
04-12-2010, 10:53 PM
I appologized several times to Mark Teahen ... you don't stink , you really aren't a worthless piece of poooo -

great job Jonsey and Omar !!

Bobby sure had me worried there towards the end w Lind up there -- ugh

ohhh N what a great B day gift GoGo !!

BRDSR
04-12-2010, 10:53 PM
Chalk up that win to KW...offseason acquisitions Jones and Teahen go 6-9 with 7 RBI.

Beautiful changeup by Bobby to end the game. As long as he can throw 94-96 mph fastballs and locate that changeup, he can close in the big leagues.

doublem23
04-12-2010, 10:53 PM
Peavy just didn't have his stuff today. Hopefully it's a 1-day thing.

sox1970
04-12-2010, 10:53 PM
All the new guys! Jones, Rios, Teahen, Kotsay, Vizquel. Players of the game.

And I will NOT survive this season if all the games are like this.

Thornton needs some love. That was impressive stuff.

twinslayer
04-12-2010, 10:53 PM
Heee hee. Yeah. :D:

Gimme some a dat PIE

TheCommander
04-12-2010, 10:54 PM
:happybday:happybday to me! Thanks, Sox.

I'd like take credit for this win, BTW. :smile:

:gulp::gulp:

SoxGirl4Life
04-12-2010, 10:54 PM
With the exception of the first game, has every game been a one run game? Good showing by the offense.

We lost to Cleveland 5-3 twice.

twinslayer
04-12-2010, 10:54 PM
Thornton needs some love. That was impressive stuff.

Agreed. +1 to Matt for making me happy.

JermaineDye05
04-12-2010, 10:54 PM
Thank you, Mandruw Jones and Mark "The Shark" Teahen.

DirtySox
04-12-2010, 10:54 PM
All hail our new pie overlord!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/DertyFoot/PBPie.jpg

#1swisher
04-12-2010, 10:54 PM
Good Game tonight!

Boondock Saint
04-12-2010, 10:54 PM
If Jones isn't the hero early on, Teahen doesn't have a chance to be the hero late. Hats off to the both of them.

GoGoCrede
04-12-2010, 10:54 PM
All hail our new pie overlord!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/DertyFoot/PBPie.jpg

:rolling: I just cut myself a slice in celebration!

SoxGirl4Life
04-12-2010, 10:55 PM
Thornton needs some love. That was impressive stuff.

Oh, how could I forget my little Matty!

Thornton IS the man!

Lets sweep these jokers!

RockJock07
04-12-2010, 10:55 PM
I was more worried about Peavy's start vs CLE, the Jays can hit pretty well. I think he will be fine, he get's another crack at the Indians later in this road trip.

big win, didn't like that they only got 1 run in the top of that inning but it was enough, needed this one....

Jaysox
04-12-2010, 10:55 PM
Heart attack.

Andruw Jones everyday, please.

Agreed!! I hate the blue jays /spit let's sweep 'em!

Slappy
04-12-2010, 10:55 PM
Peavy got lit up today. Are we seeing the Javy Vazquez effect?

Great to see Teahen get some love. And Jones! Nice!

Sweet change-up to end it by Bobby.

14 hits? I'll take it.

SoxGirl4Life
04-12-2010, 10:56 PM
:rolling: I just cut myself a slice in celebration!

yum!

tony1972
04-12-2010, 10:56 PM
We won an extra inning game..I cant remember the last time we won in extras...

johnnyg83
04-12-2010, 10:56 PM
Nice multiple comeback win ... good for a building moment.

Mark, Andruw ... bullpen outside of Williams, thanks.

eastchicagosoxfan
04-12-2010, 10:57 PM
We lost to Cleveland 5-3 twice.
How quickly I forget.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-12-2010, 10:57 PM
Furry Vengeance in, Sox win.

I knew I wasn't crazy for drafting Andruw Jones in the H2H2 keeper league! Keep vindicating me, big guy!

SoxGirl4Life
04-12-2010, 10:57 PM
Man, Omar Vizquel is MY age... ran his little heart out to score that run..

mccoydp
04-12-2010, 10:58 PM
This game was hard on the nerves, but the Sox won.

Peavy got hammered, though.

A win's a win!

:bandance::gulp::bandance::gulp:

NDSox12
04-12-2010, 10:58 PM
We had this one coming after those tough losses last week. Good to see the offense do some damage. Great game for Jones, Teahen and Rios!

singapore_sling
04-12-2010, 10:59 PM
Can we please have Andruw play every day? I was really glad to see Rios and Teahen getting involved. This is what ozzie ball is supposed to look like.

WhiteSoxFTW
04-12-2010, 10:59 PM
What a win. So this is it how it feels to score runs and all that jazz.

Should we be worried about Peavy?
No, this is his first time through the AL. If we start seeing him pitching poorly when he faces a team for the 2nd time, then maybe. Doubt that will be an issue though.

KyWhiSoxFan
04-12-2010, 10:59 PM
No hits by the bullpen for 5 1/3 innings. That is the type of performances we will need from the pen this season. Come in and shut them down.

BoysMom3
04-12-2010, 11:00 PM
Wow, that was a fun one to watch! What a rollercoaster ride!!!!! Just yellin' my head off over here!!!

Craig Grebeck
04-12-2010, 11:02 PM
Matt Thornton. Animal. Such a better pitcher than Bobby, these days especially.

manders_01
04-12-2010, 11:02 PM
We ****ing rock!!! :cool:

I "watched" most of the game by pitch-by-pitch on my phone but got to catch the beginning and a couple of the late innings. I'm sorry I missed most of it, seemed like a beaut! :bandance:

WhiteSox5187
04-12-2010, 11:02 PM
So, first off, I'm not sure what this furry vegence and pie references mean. Secondly, I'm very impressed with Jones. Thirdly, I'm not worried about Peavy, but I AM worried about Jenks.

JermaineDye05
04-12-2010, 11:03 PM
No hits by the bullpen for 5 1/3 innings. That is the type of performances we will need from the pen this season. Come in and shut them down.

Also 9 K's

GoGoCrede
04-12-2010, 11:04 PM
So, first off, I'm not sure what this furry vegence and pie references mean. Secondly, I'm very impressed with Jones. Thirdly, I'm not worried about Peavy, but I AM worried about Jenks.

My friend made me a peanut butter pie for my birthday, and as soon as I mentioned it in the thread, we tied it. And peanut butter pie is delicious. Therefore, it takes credit for the win. :smile:

Slappy
04-12-2010, 11:05 PM
No, this is his first time through the AL. If we start seeing him pitching poorly when he faces a team for the 2nd time, then maybe. Doubt that will be an issue though.

It was interesting to listen to Hawk and Stone during Jake's meltdown. They were saying that Peavy's really got 2 pitches: fastball and slider, and if you don't have pinpoint accuracy, you're not going to have much success. He named only 2 players he could think of that had success with those two pitches only. Sandy Koufax and someone else who I can't remember.

JermaineDye05
04-12-2010, 11:05 PM
So, first off, I'm not sure what this furry vegence and pie references mean. Secondly, I'm very impressed with Jones. Thirdly, I'm not worried about Peavy, but I AM worried about Jenks.

I'm concerned with Bobby, too, but not as much as I was earlier considering how impressive Santos and Putz have looked.

Thome_Fan
04-12-2010, 11:05 PM
Yeah, I could do better if I really cared right now. I don't.

GoGoCrede
04-12-2010, 11:06 PM
Yeah, I could do better if I really cared right now. I don't.

:rolling: Tonight has been one laugh after another!

twinslayer
04-12-2010, 11:06 PM
My friend made me a peanut butter pie for my birthday, and as soon as I mentioned it in the thread, we tied it. And peanut butter pie is delicious. Therefore, it takes credit for the win. :smile:

:rolling::rolling:

RedHeadPaleHoser
04-12-2010, 11:06 PM
yeah, i could do better if i really cared right now. I don't.

where's the ****ing pie?

Thome_Fan
04-12-2010, 11:06 PM
:rolling: Tonight has been one laugh after another!

You're welcome. It's my birthday gift to you.

soltrain21
04-12-2010, 11:07 PM
Furry Vengeance was the ad that came up when Teahen hit the homerun on the backstop. I made reference to it and then he hit a homer.

It will now propel us to the playoffs.

Lillian
04-12-2010, 11:07 PM
I hate to inject any negativity into this post game celebration, but I'm sorry, Jenks does not have closer stuff IMO.
I've been watching this for quite a while now, and he just can't dominate hitters anymore. That ball Gonzales hit was a rocket. But more importantly, does the stuff he's featuring look all that impressive to you people?
Now Thornton can dominate, and even Santos' stuff appears to be really almost unhittable. But Bobby doesn't have the velocity, or movement to be a dominate closer. If he keeps throwing like this, I would guess that opposing teams will make the last inning of an awful lot of games very anxiety ridden for many of us.

DirtySox
04-12-2010, 11:07 PM
I know Jones love is at an all time high, but does anyone else think he put some of those spring training pounds back on? He looked bigger to me today.

Maybe it's just me.

DrCrawdad
04-12-2010, 11:07 PM
Mark Teahen, thanks for making me out to be a fool (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2462834&postcount=10)...again.

GoGoCrede
04-12-2010, 11:08 PM
You're welcome. It's my birthday gift to you.

Best gift ever....not even the new iPod I got can ever top it....

SBSoxFan
04-12-2010, 11:08 PM
It was interesting to listen to Hawk and Stone during Jake's meltdown. They were saying that Peavy's really got 2 pitches: fastball and slider, and if you don't have pinpoint accuracy, you're not going to have much success. He named only 2 players he could think of that had success with those two pitches only. Sandy Koufax and someone else who I can't remember.

I think the second one was Bob Gibson. However, they were only talking about Peavy in this particular game. Peavy has more than two pitches.

Lip Man 1
04-12-2010, 11:08 PM
Nice to see the offense show up tonight and bail out the pitching staff for once.

Lip

BoysMom3
04-12-2010, 11:09 PM
My friend made me a peanut butter pie for my birthday, and as soon as I mentioned it in the thread, we tied it. And peanut butter pie is delicious. Therefore, it takes credit for the win. :smile:

That's awesome, love it.

twinslayer
04-12-2010, 11:09 PM
Mark Teahen, thanks for making me out to be a fool (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2462834&postcount=10)...again.

This is a big step. XD

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-12-2010, 11:09 PM
Yeah, I could do better if I really cared right now. I don't.

You need to photoshop a Blue Jays player (or the bird itself) onto Brendan Fraser, and them Mark Teahen onto the bird clutching his tie.

Comedy gold, sir.

DrCrawdad
04-12-2010, 11:09 PM
Nice to see the offense show up tonight and bail out the pitching staff for once.

Lip


You're not kidding!

DirtySox
04-12-2010, 11:10 PM
If someone could find me a picture of those Jays fans with the creepy bird heads on, I would be elated.

Thx.

#1swisher
04-12-2010, 11:11 PM
I know Jones love is at an all time high, but does anyone else think he put some of those spring training pounds back on? He looked bigger to me today.

Maybe it's just me.

I see it too, he definitely has a pie face:tongue:

Baron
04-12-2010, 11:11 PM
Andruw Jones....amazing...I feared he was going to be garbage.Man he needs to be in that lineup all the time.

Thome_Fan
04-12-2010, 11:11 PM
You need to photoshop a Blue Jays player (or the bird itself) onto Brendan Fraser, and them Mark Teahen onto the bird clutching his tie.

Comedy gold, sir.

I would, but I need to do REAL design homework now. :tongue:

Thome_Fan
04-12-2010, 11:11 PM
Best gift ever....not even the new iPod I got can ever top it....

Take THAT all you hot shot designers at Apple!

BoysMom3
04-12-2010, 11:12 PM
Furry Vengeance was the ad that came up when Teahen hit the homerun on the backstop. I made reference to it and then he hit a homer.

It will now propel us to the playoffs.

Nice! Looks like I missed all the fun tonight! I was too nervous pacing about to be online anyway.

GoGoCrede
04-12-2010, 11:12 PM
I see it too, he definitely has a pie face:tongue:

I see what you did there....

Seriously, what a great win. Honestly, I wasn't expecting it, especially when I was at dinner and kept getting those score updates.

voodoochile
04-12-2010, 11:12 PM
Nice to see the sucks lead the Sox to victory...

:soxwin:

:)

:supernana:

tstrike2000
04-12-2010, 11:13 PM
Finally, some clutch hitting the last few games! Nice job by Rios, Jones, and Tea time. Jenks wasn't good and Randy Williams sucks, but at least they won.

Slappy
04-12-2010, 11:13 PM
I think the second one was Bob Gibson. However, they were only talking about Peavy in this particular game. Peavy has more than two pitches.

Bob Gibson sounds right. Are you counting a 2-seamer and 4-Seamer? I thought he had more than 2 pitches too. I thought he throws a cutter...

Guess he just wasn't feeling the others tonight...

russ99
04-12-2010, 11:13 PM
http://www.ioncinema.com/old/images/upload/movie_9133_poster.jpg

JermaineDye05
04-12-2010, 11:14 PM
Jones has helped win us 2 games so far. I think that makes the $500,000 worth it.

WhiteSoxFTW
04-12-2010, 11:15 PM
I like the 14 hits, but we were 3 for 11 with RISP, and besides the homers had 1 extra base hit.

Another game where we really needed the home runs to win.

Slappy
04-12-2010, 11:17 PM
Jones has helped win us 2 games so far. I think that makes the $500,000 worth it.

Agreed.

If Andruw can have our version of the kind of season Vernon Wells looks to be having, that'd be awesome.

Jones, Rios and Juan in the OF as much as possible, please.

Craig Grebeck
04-12-2010, 11:20 PM
I like the 14 hits, but we were 3 for 11 with RISP, and besides the homers had 1 extra base hit.

Another game where we really needed the home runs to win.
Homers are good. Stop lamenting them.

"Goddamnit! Another night of filet mignon!"

SBSoxFan
04-12-2010, 11:20 PM
Bob Gibson sounds right. Are you counting a 2-seamer and 4-Seamer? I thought he had more than 2 pitches too. I thought he throws a cutter...

Guess he just wasn't feeling the others tonight...

I think the 2-seam and 4-seam just count as one. I think they're point was that without any slow stuff, something besides a fast ball and a curve ball, batters eventually get used to the speed and tee off.

And I think you're right; he didn't have a feel for the others tonight.

DrCrawdad
04-12-2010, 11:20 PM
http://www.withamymac.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/tea_with_mint.jpg
http://weddingsec.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/hen_party_sign.jpg

Boondock Saint
04-12-2010, 11:22 PM
"Goddamnit! Another night of filet mignon!"

This made me chuckle.

Pablo_Honey
04-12-2010, 11:23 PM
You need to photoshop a Blue Jays player (or the bird itself) onto Brendan Fraser, and them Mark Teahen onto the bird clutching his tie.

Comedy gold, sir.
Here's my poor attempt at it:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9995/furryvengeance.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/furryvengeance.jpg/)

Anyways, what a game! I was so sure we were gonna lose this one when Williams gave up that walk and our offense was shut down until Teahen homerun. Kinda regret not going to it afterall :(: but I have to study for exams anyways.

BleacherBandit
04-12-2010, 11:23 PM
I don't know what all this association between Jones and Teahen and Furry Vengeance is. Jones is bald, and I think Teahen might have a receding hairline.

TDog
04-12-2010, 11:24 PM
Like Sunday, this win was a team effort. Unlike Sunday, the margin was closer than it should have been because some people didn't do their jobs.

I don't think the Sox need to worry about Peavy. There will be days and nights this year when the opposing announcers will recap the game with "too much Peavy." It isn't just that he isn't pitching well, but he isn't going deep enough in his games. The Sox scored what should have been enough for him to win in his first outing. Fortunately, the bullpen came through tonight after the base-loaded walk by Williams. The way Lind has been hitting good righties this season, I have no problem in retrospect with Lind walking there. A hit off of Santos would have put the game out of reach. The Sox won, and that will work.

When you have runners at second and third and none out, your batting average with runners in scoring position is irrelevant. You need to get those runs home. If Teahen only doubles and doesn't score the run, the Sox could have been shut out that inning with the bases loaded and none out if everything breaks the same way.

The Sox were far from economical in their offense as they were in the two wins behind Buehrle. They hit into four doubleplays. But even with the waste, they had enough to win, which is encouraging.

And on offense, the heroes were plentiful tonight. Jones and Rios made looked great. Teahen tied the game with a homer, and after Kotsay got a pinch-hit single for Ramirez (a move Guillen made that most will overlook), Teahen untied it with a triple. Coming into the game, I saw Teahen had homered off of Tallet. Apparently now Toronto fans consider him a Jays killer.

Really, it was a great game, an exciting game, a game where the Sox twice came back from deficits. Finding fault with this game would be wrong.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-12-2010, 11:24 PM
Homers are good. Stop lamenting them.

"Goddamnit! Another night of filet mignon!"

"Father, I demand you take this unpalatable dish away and serve me something grindier...like oatmeal. Also, may you procure a pair of tickets to a near-future sporting event so that we may go spectate?"

longshot7
04-12-2010, 11:25 PM
Also props to Alex going 3-5 as the classless Jay fans mercilessly let him have it.

I think I'm going to like Alex a lot. Man, he's smooth in Center.

Nelfox02
04-12-2010, 11:26 PM
even the D was there tonight, TCM makes a nice (not incredible, but solid) play with the bases loaded and the score already 7-6....he doesnt make that play the Teahens shot in the ninth doesnt mean that much


very big win for this team----the players (and us fans) really needed this one

WhiteSoxFTW
04-12-2010, 11:26 PM
Homers are good. Stop lamenting them.

"Goddamnit! Another night of filet mignon!"

I am not lamenting them. I am saying that we need them and we win games BECAUSE of them. I like home runs, of course. I'm just not sold on this emphasis on "ozzieball". I don't think KW is, either. But, he's letting Ozzie do his thing.

russ99
04-12-2010, 11:27 PM
I don't know what all this association between Jones and Teahen and Furry Vengeance is. Jones is bald, and I think Teahen might have a receding hairline.

None whatsoever. They just had that ridiculous ad on the signs behind the plate during the Sox big rally in the 6th (and Teahen's HR in the 9th). Kinda caught on.

Craig Grebeck
04-12-2010, 11:28 PM
And how lame was the Rios booing? Not near as bad as those cretins who booed Jimbo over the weekend, but still over the top.

russ99
04-12-2010, 11:31 PM
And how lame was the Rios booing? Not near as bad as those cretins who booed Jimbo over the weekend, but still over the top.

Yeah but they booed Jim when he came to bat. Those idiots booed Rios anytime he came up to the plate, caught a fly ball, was on base, etc.

Jim was worse, since he's such an icon and a really great guy.

Nelfox02
04-12-2010, 11:31 PM
And how lame was the Rios booing? Not near as bad as those cretins who booed Jimbo over the weekend, but still over the top.


didnt get it---he cleared waivers and left the team? so what is the beef of the fans? he gave Toronto some big years

I did not expect that reaction to him there

longshot7
04-12-2010, 11:31 PM
And how lame was the Rios booing? Not near as bad as those cretins who booed Jimbo over the weekend, but still over the top.

There were Sox fans that booed him??? What idiots.

doublem23
04-12-2010, 11:32 PM
I like the 14 hits, but we were 3 for 11 with RISP, and besides the homers had 1 extra base hit.

Another game where we really needed the home runs to win.

3/11 with RISP is .273, which would have been good enough for 5th in the AL in that stat last year.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/year/2009/split/39/league/al/sort/avg/order/true

Really not that bad. Plus Beckham and Quentin both had good AB in the 11th, unfortunately, hitting the ball directly at somebody.

Frankfan4life
04-12-2010, 11:32 PM
Wow, that was a good win! I'm still surprised the Sox pulled that one out. I liked the way the offense battled back. Jones and Teahen were monsters. Bobby's save was almost intolerably stressful but I'll take the stress every time as long as he gets the job done.

Now let's come up with a win somehow tomorrow.

SephClone89
04-12-2010, 11:34 PM
3/11 with RISP is .273, which would have been good enough for 5th in the AL in that stat last year.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/year/2009/split/39/league/al/sort/avg/order/true

Really not that bad. Plus Beckham and Quentin both had good AB in the 11th, unfortunately, hitting the ball directly at somebody.

This. People act like we're the worst team in the majors at hitting with RISP, while everyone else hits .750 in that situation. Get real.

chisoxfanatic
04-12-2010, 11:35 PM
Peavy had a very rocky game, but Jones and Teahen both had great ones!

I do not understand the Rios booing.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-12-2010, 11:36 PM
And how lame was the Rios booing? Not near as bad as those cretins who booed Jimbo over the weekend, but still over the top.

People booed Jim?

I was at the game on Friday, and when he came to bat in the 10th, I heard nothing but cheers for him.

Regardless, what idiots. Toronto is no longer connected or obligated to Rios in any way. I could understand if Toronto was paying us 3/4ths of his contract to play for us, but we took on the entire thing. So, if anything, they should be cheering the Sox for taking a huge payroll burden off their hands.

Oh well, if he produces for us, then hey, good on us.

TDog
04-12-2010, 11:37 PM
Nice to see the sucks lead the Sox to victory...

:soxwin:

:)

:supernana:

I forgot that Teahen actually tied the game twice before untying it. He was a double short of the cycle.

Pablo_Honey
04-12-2010, 11:38 PM
And how lame was the Rios booing? Not near as bad as those cretins who booed Jimbo over the weekend, but still over the top.
Yeah the Jays fans went over the line with this one. They booed every freaking time Rios did something, be it catching a ball or just stepping to the plate. It got really annoying after awhile. I don't even know what Rios did to piss them off so much besides that one incident where he told a fan to **** off but in Alex's defense, the guy kept heckling him. His contract isn't all that bad considering his potential. Even if the contract allegedly hindered the franchise, they dumped his contract without eating any part of it so what's with all the hate?

SephClone89
04-12-2010, 11:39 PM
To all who were in chat:

Before I left, didn't I call a Teahen homer? Yeah, I know I called back to back jacks, but I was half correct, right? I hope you all patted me on the back.

Fantastic win. Shame I couldn't see the ninth onward.

twinslayer
04-12-2010, 11:41 PM
This. People act like we're the worst team in the majors at hitting with RISP, while everyone else hits .750 in that situation. Get real.

Thank you!

voodoochile
04-12-2010, 11:42 PM
Like Sunday, this win was a team effort. Unlike Sunday, the margin was closer than it should have been because some people didn't do their jobs.

I don't think the Sox need to worry about Peavy. There will be days and nights this year when the opposing announcers will recap the game with "too much Peavy." It isn't just that he isn't pitching well, but he isn't going deep enough in his games. The Sox scored what should have been enough for him to win in his first outing. Fortunately, the bullpen came through tonight after the base-loaded walk by Williams. The way Lind has been hitting good righties this season, I have no problem in retrospect with Lind walking there. A hit off of Santos would have put the game out of reach. The Sox won, and that will work.

When you have runners at second and third and none out, your batting average with runners in scoring position is irrelevant. You need to get those runs home. If Teahen only doubles and doesn't score the run, the Sox could have been shut out that inning with the bases loaded and none out if everything breaks the same way.

The Sox were far from economical in their offense as they were in the two wins behind Buehrle. They hit into four doubleplays. But even with the waste, they had enough to win, which is encouraging.

And on offense, the heroes were plentiful tonight. Jones and Rios made looked great. Teahen tied the game with a homer, and after Kotsay got a pinch-hit single for Ramirez (a move Guillen made that most will overlook), Teahen untied it with a triple. Coming into the game, I saw Teahen had homered off of Tallet. Apparently now Toronto fans consider him a Jays killer.

Really, it was a great game, an exciting game, a game where the Sox twice came back from deficits. Finding fault with this game would be wrong.

Was also an odd night in terms of runs/hits. The Jays made most of their hits count early scoring 7 runs on 8 hits. Meanwhile the Sox absolutely crushed 3 or 4 balls that went for outs because they all were hit to CF.

A few breaks this way or that early on and the Sox probably win 10-4.

Just one of those nights...

DrCrawdad
04-12-2010, 11:42 PM
There were Sox fans that booed him??? What idiots.

Sox fans saluted Jim Thome on his first AB at US Cellular with loud sustained cheers, and IIRC a standing ovation. It was such a respectful welcome that Thome tipped his cap (helmet) to the crowd. That was great a sign that Sox fans are overall a classy group, unlike the smears and hateful stereotypes that some love to spew.

When was Thome booed? If it was after his first AB at the Cell, hey he's there in an opposition uniform. While I wouldn't boo him, I won't cheer or clap for him after that first AB.

Thome was given an overwhelmingly awesome, respectful welcome back to The Cell. It's amazing, but not surprising, that some even here want to twist that negatively against Sox fans.

VMSNS
04-12-2010, 11:46 PM
This game totally drained me. What a roller coaster.

Peavy, again, wasn't good. He had no control, especially on the slider. However, I think he's going to be fine. I hope people don't freak out and call him a bum. It's clear he's a good pitcher, and he'll work his way out of this funk he's in. As if it needed to be said again, Randy Williams does not belong on a major league ball club. Kenny needs to find another reliable lefty. The rest of the bullpen was great. And my god, Thornton. That guy is just god-damn ridiculous. Santos looked fantastic. His breaking stuff looks absolutely filthy. I'm really liking what I'm seeing from him.

As much as I've hated on Teahen this week, he really came through today. He was out with a Furry Vengeance!! Nice to see Rios get some hits and shut up those idiotic Toronto fans. Jones was a beast today, and pretty good in the field. He needs to be playing more, either at DH or in the field. He seems genuinely happy in the dugout and on the field. Hopefully he can keep up a consistent rate of good playing. Quentin's issues are a little troubling, and I hope he figures it out soon. Need to see more production from Pierre, as well, although he seems to be battling pretty well at the plate.

Melton mentioned something I found interesting during post game. He said that the players that came through today in the dome were new players to the team (Teahen, Jones, Rios). Lets hope we're slowly breeding out this dome-phobia.

Lastly...Bobby Jenks is my favorite player on the White Sox. I love the guy and hope he does well. But, I seriously think it's time for the Sox to start thinking about replacing him as the team's closer. He's just not pitching very smart. Grooving fastballs right down the middle, and he used his hammer, what, once today? He needs to get it together. Again, I love Bobby more than anyone, but I think it's time to start to explore other options (Thornton, or maybe even Santos).

Nice win, Sox! :bandance::gulp::bandance::gulp:

fram40
04-12-2010, 11:47 PM
Yeah the Jays fans went over the line with this one. They booed every freaking time Rios did something, be it catching a ball or just stepping to the plate. It got really annoying after awhile. I don't even know what Rios did to piss them off so much besides that one incident where he told a fan to **** off but in Alex's defense, the guy kept heckling him. His contract isn't all that bad considering his potential. Even if the contract allegedly hindered the franchise, they dumped his contract without eating any part of it so what's with all the hate?

Ranger mentioned on pre-game that there is a youtube video of Rios being a jerk to some Toronto fans. before he was waived, I believe

doublem23
04-12-2010, 11:49 PM
No, this is his first time through the AL. If we start seeing him pitching poorly when he faces a team for the 2nd time, then maybe. Doubt that will be an issue though.

First time through the league should favor the pitcher. I think this was just the case of Peavy laying an egg. Happens, guys.

GoGoCrede
04-12-2010, 11:50 PM
Ranger mentioned on pre-game that there is a youtube video of Rios being a jerk to some Toronto fans. before he was waived, I believe

Oh? I'm intrigued. Is there a link to said video?

I'm still on a high from this game. Thankfully I missed the crappy parts and only caught the end. Peanut butter pie for everyone!

twinslayer
04-12-2010, 11:50 PM
This game totally drained me. What a roller coaster.

Peavy, again, wasn't good. He had no control, especially on the slider. However, I think he's going to be fine. I hope people don't freak out and call him a bum. It's clear he's a good pitcher, and he'll work his way out of this funk he's in. As if it needed to be said again, Randy Williams does not belong on a major league ball club. Kenny needs to find another reliable lefty. The rest of the bullpen was great. And my god, Thornton. That guy is just god-damn ridiculous. Santos looked fantastic. His breaking stuff looks absolutely filthy. I'm really liking what I'm seeing from him.

As much as I've hated on Teahen this week, he really came through today. He was out with a Furry Vengeance!! Nice to see Rios get some hits and shut up those idiotic Toronto fans. Jones was a beast today, and pretty good in the field. He needs to be playing more, either at DH or in the field. He seems genuinely happy in the dugout and on the field. Hopefully he can keep up a consistent rate of good playing. Quentin's issues are a little troubling, and I hope he figures it out soon. Need to see more production from Pierre, as well, although he seems to be battling pretty well at the plate.

Melton mentioned something I found interesting during post game. He said that the players that came through today in the dome were new players to the team (Teahen, Jones, Rios). Lets hope we're slowly breeding out this dome-phobia.

Lastly...Bobby Jenks is my favorite player on the White Sox. I love the guy and hope he does well. But, I seriously think it's time for the Sox to start thinking about replacing him as the team's closer. He's just not pitching very smart. Grooving fastballs right down the middle, and he used his hammer, what, once today? He needs to get it together. Again, I love Bobby more than anyone, but I think it's time to start to explore other options (Thornton, or maybe even Santos).

Nice win, Sox! :bandance::gulp::bandance::gulp:

I agree with most of your post here. I think Santos is a legitimate contender to be a closer in the MLB. I'd like to see him do it here in Chicago, but I want to give Bobby some more time too. Everything will play out. As soon as he blows a save, it will be mayhem.

doublem23
04-12-2010, 11:52 PM
Oh? I'm intrigued. Is there a link to said video?

I'm still on a high from this game. Thankfully I missed the crappy parts and only caught the end. Peanut butter pie for everyone!

I'd embed the video, but Alex's language is not WSI-appropriate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt9hRCthV8E

VMSNS
04-12-2010, 11:52 PM
Oh? I'm intrigued. Is there a link to said video?

I'm still on a high from this game. Thankfully I missed the crappy parts and only caught the end. Peanut butter pie for everyone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt9hRCthV8E

I hate to say it, but if I were Rios, I probably would have said the same thing. That fan was completely out of line.

PhillipsBubba
04-12-2010, 11:56 PM
Should we be worried about Peavy?

Yes

thomas35forever
04-12-2010, 11:56 PM
The last Sox victory in Toronto was on the night I graduated from high school. Nice to see them end that dry spell early in the season.

Hopefully we see this Mark Teahen show up every game from now on. Jones apparently wasn't too bad either.

oeo
04-12-2010, 11:57 PM
That's two straight come-from-behind victories. I think we're going to see a lot of these with all the close games we're going to have.

PicktoCLick72
04-13-2010, 12:00 AM
This game totally drained me. What a roller coaster.

Peavy, again, wasn't good. He had no control, especially on the slider. However, I think he's going to be fine. I hope people don't freak out and call him a bum. It's clear he's a good pitcher, and he'll work his way out of this funk he's in. As if it needed to be said again, Randy Williams does not belong on a major league ball club. Kenny needs to find another reliable lefty. The rest of the bullpen was great. And my god, Thornton. That guy is just god-damn ridiculous. Santos looked fantastic. His breaking stuff looks absolutely filthy. I'm really liking what I'm seeing from him.

As much as I've hated on Teahen this week, he really came through today. He was out with a Furry Vengeance!! Nice to see Rios get some hits and shut up those idiotic Toronto fans. Jones was a beast today, and pretty good in the field. He needs to be playing more, either at DH or in the field. He seems genuinely happy in the dugout and on the field. Hopefully he can keep up a consistent rate of good playing. Quentin's issues are a little troubling, and I hope he figures it out soon. Need to see more production from Pierre, as well, although he seems to be battling pretty well at the plate.

Melton mentioned something I found interesting during post game. He said that the players that came through today in the dome were new players to the team (Teahen, Jones, Rios). Lets hope we're slowly breeding out this dome-phobia.

Lastly...Bobby Jenks is my favorite player on the White Sox. I love the guy and hope he does well. But, I seriously think it's time for the Sox to start thinking about replacing him as the team's closer. He's just not pitching very smart. Grooving fastballs right down the middle, and he used his hammer, what, once today? He needs to get it together. Again, I love Bobby more than anyone, but I think it's time to start to explore other options (Thornton, or maybe even Santos).

Nice win, Sox! :bandance::gulp::bandance::gulp:

Issues? Are you kidding me? What not getting a hit every time. Some fans are unbelievable. If a guy doesn't get 3 hits, he has problems.

Let's let Santos pitch more than a month before we give him the closers role.

It's seven games in and some of this armchair coaching is absolutely ridiculous.

Noneck
04-13-2010, 12:01 AM
I hate to say it, but if I were Rios, I probably would have said the same thing. That fan was completely out of line.

I am impressed with Rios now. This shows that if he played bad, it bothers him.

If he said something like, remember hundreds of thousands of dollars are direct deposited in my account weekly. Then I would be concerned and it would bother me.

jabrch
04-13-2010, 12:05 AM
I think the 2-seam and 4-seam just count as one. I think they're point was that without any slow stuff, something besides a fast ball and a curve ball, batters eventually get used to the speed and tee off.


Yeah...that sounds about right. The NL saw him about 1300 IP with the same pitches - and still never figured him out. That's it...2 games into the AL and the brilliant AL hitters have figured out his speed... Really brilliant stuff.

guillen4life13
04-13-2010, 12:06 AM
Teahen (3-5 with RBI single, GW RBI triple, and a game tying solo shot) and Jones (3-4 with a walk, single, solo shot and 2-run bomb). played great.

Kotsay got hit the single that ended up becoming the winning run. Vizquel runs for Kotsay (literally does some serious running) to score that winning run.

Quentin with two GIDP but also with an RBI single and a couple hard hit balls.

Beckham collects two singles and a walk and ends up scoring a run.

Santos came in and pitched a perfect one and a third. Thornton pitched two perfect. Jenks had a stressful save.

Only Konerko, Ramirez, and Pierzynski had bad days at the plate. Williams out of the pen was simply horrible.

I think that, right now, KW's biggest priority should be to get his hands on a reliable LH reliever. Randy Williams isn't cutting it, and Thornton is going to be burnt out by May if he continues at this pace.

Games like this are why Ozzie wanted the rotating DH. Pierre was not on the field. It also gives opportunity to give TCQ and Paulie some rest without taking their bats out of the lineup.

If Jones can stay hot and have a monster season (yeah, I know, it's early), then watch out!

Andruw Jones sucks.

doublem23
04-13-2010, 12:08 AM
Yeah...that sounds about right. The NL saw him about 1300 IP with the same pitches - and still never figured him out. That's it...2 games into the AL and the brilliant AL hitters have figured out his speed... Really brilliant stuff.

Did you watch the game? The fastball was the only thing Jake could get over the plate tonight, MLB quality hitters need about 1 AB to figure out a guy who is basically a 1-pitch pitcher. Peavy just sucked tonight. No need to read anything further into it, from any perspective. Baseball's tough, good players have ****ty days sometimes.

Frontman
04-13-2010, 12:09 AM
What a win. So this is it how it feels to score runs and all that jazz.

Should we be worried about Peavy?

No

And nor should we be saying Teahan is a lock for the Hall of Fame.

Peavy had an ok start for his first game, had a terrible start this game. I would say be concerned if he has 1 or 2 more terrible starts before getting a win.

oeo
04-13-2010, 12:09 AM
Did you watch the game? The fastball was the only thing Jake could get over the plate tonight, MLB quality hitters need about 1 AB to figure out a guy who is basically a 1-pitch pitcher. Peavy just sucked tonight. No need to read anything further into it, from any perspective. Baseball's tough, good players have ****ty days sometimes.

Yep, he was bad. Unlike in his first game, where I thought he pitched well, but was unlucky. Maybe Jake doesn't like Canada?

hawkjt
04-13-2010, 12:12 AM
Whoa, what a nerve-wracking game!

For those writing off Bobby, I say ''not so fast''.
He hit the radar at 97 mph on one pitch, the fastest of any pitcher all nite. Now, I really think he is just not totally confident out there at this point,but that can come with a couple more saves. I do not think he had command or trusted his breaking ball tonite or yesterday...he has to regain that trust. I like that he is back throwing high 90's. That changeup was a tremendous pitch. Give him time gang.

Jake...same deal. My only concern is that he is not hitting the radar at 94+ which is his normal,but if he is healthy,he will be fine.

Love that Rios stuck it up the jays fans giggy with those three hits.
Teahen got the hit that might just turn this season around for him...the hit that Alex never got last year to make him one of the guys...Teahen has now proven himself,like Alex, and they might relax the rest of the way. Andruw seems relaxed already....oh yea.

Now, go get another one, and get to .500 and do not look back.

guillen4life13
04-13-2010, 12:17 AM
By the way, Mandruw Jonesay stats thus far:

7-26, 3 HR, 7 RBI, 5 BB, 3 SO, 1 SB

Splits: .269/.387/.615.

Only through 7 games, but I think it's just worth noting that these two are, more or less, doing their jobs. Jones more than Kotsay, but Kotsay has had some key at bats in which he either got on base or knocked in the run.

Believe it or not, Teahen now has a .911 OPS on the season. He's playing like the Moneyball player he was supposed to be coming up.

I can't wait until Ramirez starts to hit his stride also. He still looks clueless up there.

twinsuck
04-13-2010, 12:22 AM
You need to photoshop a Blue Jays player (or the bird itself) onto Brendan Fraser, and them Mark Teahen onto the bird clutching his tie.

Comedy gold, sir.
hehe, I had a little fun with paint. :D: Peavy is the skunk because he stinks.

Tragg
04-13-2010, 12:28 AM
What a job by Teahan and Jones.
And Santos-scary good.

As for Peavy, Kenny's success with small deals towers over his attempts at bringing in the stud.

Noneck
04-13-2010, 12:28 AM
Did you watch the game? The fastball was the only thing Jake could get over the plate tonight, MLB quality hitters need about 1 AB to figure out a guy who is basically a 1-pitch pitcher. Peavy just sucked tonight. No need to read anything further into it, from any perspective. Baseball's tough, good players have ****ty days sometimes.

Maybe you know this. The parts of the game I saw, showed Peavy never breaking 90mph. Is that his normal top end? I rarely saw him in the NL.

kidmccarthy
04-13-2010, 12:28 AM
Im gonna put it out there.

Santos will be our closer by August.

If he can command that slider, his fastball stays above 95, and he is composed, Jenks will be traded or demoted. No way we pay Jenks next year, so Santos will be groomed. hmm...

WhiteSoxFTW
04-13-2010, 12:31 AM
First time through the league should favor the pitcher. I think this was just the case of Peavy laying an egg. Happens, guys.
I am basing that on the fact of what I have heard Stone and Cowley say on the radio.

JB98
04-13-2010, 12:32 AM
Im gonna put it out there.

Santos will be our closer by August.

If he can command that slider, his fastball stays above 95, and he is composed, Jenks will be traded or demoted. No way we pay Jenks next year, so Santos will be groomed. hmm...

Little early for that, but you can see the potential. Santos appears to have the guts necessary to close. We've seen him come in and put out fires a couple times already. He's been very impressive.

JB98
04-13-2010, 12:34 AM
Did you watch the game? The fastball was the only thing Jake could get over the plate tonight, MLB quality hitters need about 1 AB to figure out a guy who is basically a 1-pitch pitcher. Peavy just sucked tonight. No need to read anything further into it, from any perspective. Baseball's tough, good players have ****ty days sometimes.

Gotta agree there.

From what I've seen, Peavy has not had his good slider in either of his first two starts. That's the problem, and that's all it is.

I'm not worried about Jake Peavy.

WhiteSoxFTW
04-13-2010, 12:34 AM
3/11 with RISP is .273, which would have been good enough for 5th in the AL in that stat last year.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/year/2009/split/39/league/al/sort/avg/order/true

Really not that bad. Plus Beckham and Quentin both had good AB in the 11th, unfortunately, hitting the ball directly at somebody.

Yeah, so I overreacted without actually studying what I saw. We have that a lot around here, heh. But, I stand by my home run comments.

Thatguyoverthere
04-13-2010, 12:42 AM
Yeah, so I overreacted without actually studying what I saw. We have that a lot around here, heh. But, I stand by my home run comments.:rolleyes: Yeah, homeruns are just awful. The hatred some people have around here for homeruns is ridiculous.

VMSNS
04-13-2010, 12:43 AM
Issues? Are you kidding me? What not getting a hit every time. Some fans are unbelievable. If a guy doesn't get 3 hits, he has problems.

Let's let Santos pitch more than a month before we give him the closers role.

It's seven games in and some of this armchair coaching is absolutely ridiculous.

Dude, you need to calm down. Quentin's issues are I'm referring to are him looking totally uncomfortable at the plate. He looks pissed when he misses or fouls something off. And so far this year, he's either been hitting into a double play (which I believe he's done 2 or 3 times tonight) or he skies the ball a mile in the air for the catcher to make a play behind the plate. TCQ is integral to this offense. I'm not saying he's terrible or that he's going to be terrible, I just wish he'd cool down a bit.

And I said "...maybe Santos" would be the closer. Several others in this thread mentioned he same thing, so why don't you go yell at them.

...and how am I "armchair coaching" the team? I was merely giving my opinions about the game, and made one slight suggestion that Bobby may need to be replaced, an opinion that many others have felt the same way about for years.

Lighten up.

doublem23
04-13-2010, 12:44 AM
Gotta agree there.

From what I've seen, Peavy has not had his good slider in either of his first two starts. That's the problem, and that's all it is.

I'm not worried about Jake Peavy.

I can only think of a couple really good sliders he threw today, most everything was fastball out of necessity and, even then, he was leaving plenty of softballs out over the plate. In retrospect, it might be a miracle that he only allowed 7 runs. :cool:

He'll find his legs. There's probably only 2-3 players on this team I'm less worried about than Jake Peavy.

WhiteSoxFTW
04-13-2010, 12:45 AM
:rolleyes: Yeah, homeruns are just awful. The hatred some people have around here for homeruns is ridiculous.
Why don't you actually go back and read what I said. I am not against home runs.

Thatguyoverthere
04-13-2010, 12:46 AM
Dude, you need to calm down. Quentin's issues are I'm referring to are him looking totally uncomfortable at the plate. He looks pissed when he misses or fouls something off. And so far this year, he's either been hitting into a double play (which I believe he's done 2 or 3 times tonight) or he skies the ball a mile in the air for the catcher to make a play behind the plate. TCQ is integral to this offense. I'm not saying he's terrible or that he's going to be terrible, I just wish he'd cool down a bit.

And I said "...maybe Santos" would be the closer. Several others in this thread mentioned he same thing, so why don't you go yell at them.

...and how am I "armchair coaching" the team? I was merely giving my opinions about the game, and made one slight suggestion that Bobby may need to be replaced, an opinion that many others have felt the same way about for years.

Lighten up.Coming into today's game, Quentin's line for the year was .333/.538/.611 for an OPS of 1.150. Also, it's not like he went hitless today, he drove in a run. You're acting like he has hit like Pierre.

Ranger
04-13-2010, 12:48 AM
With the exception of the first game, has every game been a one run game? Good showing by the offense.

In 6 of the Sox 7 games, the outcome decided by 2 runs or less. The only exception is their opening day 6-0 win. By the way, they have led at one point in every game so far.

Can we please have Andruw play every day? I was really glad to see Rios and Teahen getting involved. This is what ozzie ball is supposed to look like.

Expect him in the lineup tomorrow for sure, at least, with Romero pitching.

Thatguyoverthere
04-13-2010, 12:49 AM
Why don't you actually go back and read what I said. I am not against home runs.I did read it. So we scored 5 of our 8 runs off of the longball. So what? You know who did that last year? The Yankees and the Phillies.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-13-2010, 12:49 AM
hehe, I had a little fun with paint. :D: Peavy is the skunk because he stinks.

Haha, nice work...although I figured Thornton would have been the skunk, since he was throwing gas all night. :D: But seriously, I like it! lol!

Furry Vengeance FTW!

WhiteSoxFTW
04-13-2010, 12:52 AM
I did read it. So we scored 5 of our 8 runs off of the longball. So what? You know who did that last year? The Yankees and the Phillies.
I am not lamenting them. I am saying that we need them and we win games BECAUSE of them. I like home runs, of course. I'm just not sold on this emphasis on "ozzieball". I don't think KW is, either. But, he's letting Ozzie do his thing.

I don't think you read it. Do you need me to be more clear?

VMSNS
04-13-2010, 12:53 AM
Coming into today's game, Quentin's line for the year was .333/.538/.611 for an OPS of 1.150. Also, it's not like he went hitless today, he drove in a run. You're acting like he has hit like Pierre.

Well, I apologize if I made it sound like he's been terrible. That wasn't my intention.

jabrch
04-13-2010, 12:55 AM
My gosh this place is insane....

GoGoCrede
04-13-2010, 12:56 AM
My gosh the stupidity is insane....

There shall be no insults hurled on my birthday...you may resume them in approx. 5 minutes. :smile:

Thatguyoverthere
04-13-2010, 12:57 AM
I don't think you read it. Do you need me to be more clear?Ah, I guess I missed that one, I was referring to your first post. I understand your concern, but I guess I'm just actually relieved this team shows it can still hit for power, I've been worried that we don't have enough of it. Hey, at least it was 5 out of 8 and not 8 out of 8.

WhiteSoxFTW
04-13-2010, 01:00 AM
Ah, I guess I missed that one, I was referring to your first post. I understand your concern, but I guess I'm just actually relieved this team shows it can still hit for power, I've been worried that we don't have enough of it. Hey, at least it was 5 out of 8 and not 8 out of 8.
It's less concern now that I have settled down a bit, heh. It's more of an observation on my part. I, too, am glad we have shown we can hit for power, PK especially. And, damn, if Andruw Jones gets hot, we can do some damage. I'm not really sold on the whole ozzieball idea, that's all.

jabrch
04-13-2010, 01:01 AM
Ah, I guess I missed that one, I was referring to your first post. I understand your concern, but I guess I'm just actually relieved this team shows it can still hit for power, I've been worried that we don't have enough of it. Hey, at least it was 5 out of 8 and not 8 out of 8.


BUT WHO CARES?

Nobody says HRs are bad - except people who accuse others of thinking that. Nobody believes that for a reason - it's ****ing assinine. But some people need to paint others opinions wrongly, and exaggerate them, to make their own weak sauce sound sensible?

This team may not suck. Jones may not suck. Kotsay, Jenks, Peavy, Teahen, Vizquel, etc. etc. etc. all may not suck. We may not suck. I think that's been the point of view of many of us so far. AND WE STILL HAVE NO ****ING CLUE IF WE ARE RIGHT OR WRONG....AND WE WON'T FOR MONTHS. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy baseball and see how good or bad this team is after enough time passes. I'll continue to laugh at the rest of the boobery going on.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-13-2010, 01:03 AM
Ah, I guess I missed that one, I was referring to your first post. I understand your concern, but I guess I'm just actually relieved this team shows it can still hit for power, I've been worried that we don't have enough of it. Hey, at least it was 5 out of 8 and not 8 out of 8.

You mean, Ozzie ball requires a bit of power as well?

That's it, I'm calling Rongey tomorrow and telling him that for every HR the Sox hit, I'm going to throw a kitten onto the Dan Ryan. Home runs are unacceptable here.

jabrch
04-13-2010, 01:08 AM
I'm not really sold on the whole ozzieball idea, that's all.

I don't think "ozzieball" exists as it is painted. It's a made up figment of the imagination of those who make the game about a particular ethos. It's not - it's just a game - build a team - hope guys play well. It isn't ****ing brain surgery and OG is not a rocket scientist. All I see is a manager who wants a team that is flexible and can do more than just hit HRs. He doens't have 9 Juan Pierres. If anyone believes he literally would prefer Rios have 0 HRs and 25 steals than 25 HRs and 0 steals, then I laugh in their faces. Isn't it obvious that what he really meant was that he was happy to have a CF who will hit at least 20HRs AND steal some bases instead of guy who hardly got on base enough to steal 20 bases and couldn't have hit 25 HRs in 2 years? Does anyone really still pine for Thome's performances vs LHP? Really? Not me.

I'm thrilled baseball is back - and I am enjoying it. The **** if I am going to bitch about all the ****ty made up facets of this team before tax day.

longshot7
04-13-2010, 01:37 AM
Sox fans saluted Jim Thome on his first AB at US Cellular with loud sustained cheers, and IIRC a standing ovation. It was such a respectful welcome that Thome tipped his cap (helmet) to the crowd. That was great a sign that Sox fans are overall a classy group, unlike the smears and hateful stereotypes that some love to spew.

When was Thome booed? If it was after his first AB at the Cell, hey he's there in an opposition uniform. While I wouldn't boo him, I won't cheer or clap for him after that first AB.

Thome was given an overwhelmingly awesome, respectful welcome back to The Cell. It's amazing, but not surprising, that some even here want to twist that negatively against Sox fans.

That's what I thought. Someone seemed to intimate there were some that were there booing even during the 1st AB.

jabrch
04-13-2010, 01:38 AM
That's what I thought. Someone seemed to intimate there were some that were there booing even during the 1st AB.

Even if there were a few in the crowd - so ****ing what? We shouldn't hold the whole responsible for the few.

MarkZ35
04-13-2010, 01:40 AM
Come on Omar, turn it on buddy. Reminded me of the Timo days.

WhiteSox5187
04-13-2010, 01:44 AM
In 6 of the Sox 7 games, the outcome decided by 2 runs or less. The only exception is their opening day 6-0 win. By the way, they have led at one point in every game so far.



Expect him in the lineup tomorrow for sure, at least, with Romero pitching.

My memory is fuzzy, but did we ever lead on Friday or Saturday?

JB98
04-13-2010, 01:52 AM
My memory is fuzzy, but did we ever lead on Friday or Saturday?

Yes, the Sox led after six innings in both contests.

It was 3-2 Sox on Friday, and 1-0 Sox on Saturday. Twins came back in the seventh in both games.

longshot7
04-13-2010, 01:53 AM
Even if there were a few in the crowd - so ****ing what? We shouldn't hold the whole responsible for the few.

I believe you missed my point. I was just calling anyone who booed Thome an idiot. I wasn't holding anyone "responsible."

jabrch
04-13-2010, 01:57 AM
I believe you missed my point. I was just calling anyone who booed Thome an idiot. I wasn't holding anyone "responsible."

I know you weren't - but others are cricitizing "sox fans" if they booed. Blame the idiot - not the whole population...same for the dip****s who attacked Gamboa or Diaz....Don't blame a whole population for the few odd douchebags. I wouldn't want WSI characterized by a few of our resident idiots.

guillensdisciple
04-13-2010, 02:21 AM
I believe the White Sox set a record in 2005 for the amount of games led to start the season at 30 something. You know what happened then, maybe this year means something too...

Love love love the resurrection of Jones, and Teahen might be okay after all. Peavy will be fine, I think he just needs to settle down a little bit, and Alexei being put on the bench is a good move to tell him to get his ass moving.

Great win, and go Sox

TDog
04-13-2010, 02:23 AM
My memory is fuzzy, but did we ever lead on Friday or Saturday?

I totally missed Saturday's game because I was on the road in the San Jose area. But I saw they took a 1-0 lead deep in the game, despite concerns over Garcia as a fifth starter. Friday night, of course, the Sox not only had a lead at one time, but should have won the game in nine innings.

The White Sox easily could be 6-1 without any more offensive success than a few productive outs. If Saturday's one-run loss can be considered winnable, they could be 7-0.

It's nice to see the Sox follow up a disappointing opening homestand with an exciting road win. Maybe this will point the season in the right direction. The 1972 White Sox, the best Sox team of that decade, were 2-5 before turning things around and taking off. Had they not been in the same division with a great A's team, people would remember that team more fondly.

Foulke You
04-13-2010, 02:23 AM
And how lame was the Rios booing? Not near as bad as those cretins who booed Jimbo over the weekend, but still over the top.
I didn't quite get the booing either. It wasn't just a smattering of boos, it was vicious "we absolutely hate your guts" booing even when he caught a fly ball. It's one thing if a guy leaves for free agency for a few extra dollars or demanded a trade or something but Rios was simply put on waivers and claimed. Rios didn't ask to leave Toronto, his GM made that decision for him. He put in some solid seasons there in Toronto and I'm surprised he didn't at least get some polite applause or mixed boos/cheers.

Jays fans are a rather odd lot though. I remember last year they were picking on Jermaine Dye for some reason and booing him every time he came to the plate. A friend of mine was at Sky Dome for the series last year and confirmed this. Neither of us were aware of any history between Dye and the Jays that took place during his Royals or A's tenure.

oeo
04-13-2010, 02:36 AM
Loved reading that Andruw Jones said they were going to change their fortunes in Toronto after the team was apparently talking about how much they suck there. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0413-white-sox-blue-jays-chicago--20100412,0,2853127.story

Wouldn't mind if Jones was an Everett-like fixture in the clubhouse. Big difference being I'm sure Jones believes in dinosaurs.

guillensdisciple
04-13-2010, 02:55 AM
Hopefully Teahen is not one of those that is better away from the cell.

BadBobbyJenks
04-13-2010, 02:59 AM
Well I have nothing but positives to take from this game. Offense was alive, Jones and Teahen were huge and the bullpen shut the door.

I am not worried about Peavy.

Throw the hook more Bobby, its sick nasty.

SephClone89
04-13-2010, 03:01 AM
Hopefully Teahen is not one of those that is better away from the cell.

I'd rather that than have him be garbage wherever he plays.

TDog
04-13-2010, 03:53 AM
I didn't quite get the booing either. It wasn't just a smattering of boos, it was vicious "we absolutely hate your guts" booing even when he caught a fly ball. It's one thing if a guy leaves for free agency for a few extra dollars or demanded a trade or something but Rios was simply put on waivers and claimed. Rios didn't ask to leave Toronto, his GM made that decision for him. He put in some solid seasons there in Toronto and I'm surprised he didn't at least get some polite applause or mixed boos/cheers. ...

There were fans booing Rios last year. He signed a huge contract and then acted (so it seemed to the fans) as if he didn't care about playing up to his potential. He let the fans down. At least that's the way the fans see it.

DrCrawdad
04-13-2010, 07:57 AM
That's what I thought. Someone seemed to intimate there were some that were there booing even during the 1st AB.

Even if there were a few in the crowd - so ****ing what? We shouldn't hold the whole responsible for the few.

Exactly.

I believe you missed my point. I was just calling anyone who booed Thome an idiot. I wasn't holding anyone "responsible."

I know you weren't - but others are cricitizing "sox fans" if they booed. Blame the idiot - not the whole population...same for the dip****s who attacked Gamboa or Diaz....Don't blame a whole population for the few odd douchebags. I wouldn't want WSI characterized by a few of our resident idiots.

I didn't quite get the booing either. It wasn't just a smattering of boos, it was vicious "we absolutely hate your guts" booing even when he caught a fly ball. It's one thing if a guy leaves for free agency for a few extra dollars or demanded a trade or something but Rios was simply put on waivers and claimed. Rios didn't ask to leave Toronto, his GM made that decision for him. He put in some solid seasons there in Toronto and I'm surprised he didn't at least get some polite applause or mixed boos/cheers.

Jays fans are a rather odd lot though. I remember last year they were picking on Jermaine Dye for some reason and booing him every time he came to the plate. A friend of mine was at Sky Dome for the series last year and confirmed this. Neither of us were aware of any history between Dye and the Jays that took place during his Royals or A's tenure.

You're right, Rios reception was odd. It wasn't his choice to leave Toronto.

The Tribune had this article (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0410-bits-white-sox-twins-chicago-20100409,0,4908964.story) about Thome's return to The Cell, the tribute given to him and the warm reception. If after that first AB some folks boo Thome, while I wouldn't do it myself, Thome is an opposition player. I'm sure Thome understands and can recall the warm ovation given him on his return. It's not anything comparable to Thome's treatment in Cleveland nor Rios treatment yesterday in Toronto.

Craig Grebeck
04-13-2010, 07:57 AM
Sox fans saluted Jim Thome on his first AB at US Cellular with loud sustained cheers, and IIRC a standing ovation. It was such a respectful welcome that Thome tipped his cap (helmet) to the crowd. That was great a sign that Sox fans are overall a classy group, unlike the smears and hateful stereotypes that some love to spew.

When was Thome booed? If it was after his first AB at the Cell, hey he's there in an opposition uniform. While I wouldn't boo him, I won't cheer or clap for him after that first AB.

Thome was given an overwhelmingly awesome, respectful welcome back to The Cell. It's amazing, but not surprising, that some even here want to twist that negatively against Sox fans.
I didn't twist it negatively against Sox fans -- that implies I blame the entire population. I don't. I blame the inbreds who booed him in the 9th on Sunday. My section was full of "You sucked here Jim! Thanks for nothing!" etc. throughout his entire at-bat.

There are idiots who like the Sox; idiots who like the Pirates; idiots who like the Padres. I found it abhorrent.

I know you weren't - but others are cricitizing "sox fans" if they booed. Blame the idiot - not the whole population...same for the dip****s who attacked Gamboa or Diaz....Don't blame a whole population for the few odd douchebags. I wouldn't want WSI characterized by a few of our resident idiots.
I didn't blame "Sox fans." For someone who slams others who jump the gun or are inaccurate, you sure are missing the boat here.

Craig Grebeck
04-13-2010, 07:58 AM
Exactly.

No one held the whole responsible for the few, except those who accused me of blaming "Sox fans." I didn't. I blamed idiots.

Lillian
04-13-2010, 08:01 AM
Dude, you need to calm down. Quentin's issues are I'm referring to are him looking totally uncomfortable at the plate. He looks pissed when he misses or fouls something off. And so far this year, he's either been hitting into a double play (which I believe he's done 2 or 3 times tonight) or he skies the ball a mile in the air for the catcher to make a play behind the plate. TCQ is integral to this offense. I'm not saying he's terrible or that he's going to be terrible, I just wish he'd cool down a bit.
............

It appears to me that Quentin has moved off of the plate. Does anyone else think he's standing further away? That may be the difference.
Although, he has still been hit 3 or 4 times.

DrCrawdad
04-13-2010, 08:06 AM
I don't know if it's been noted yet but did anyone else catch the love the Toronto fans expressed for AJ? Towards the end of the game I saw two things that made me laugh.

First I saw several Toronto fans really laying into AJ, screaming at him. Second, on a foul ball behind homeplate AJ leaned into the stands but missed catching the ball on the fly. The ball was rolling on ground beyond the wall. Did AJ leave the ball for the fans scrambling for it? No, AJ reached down and snatched the ball away from the fans and then jogged away with the ball. AJ making friends in Toronto!

Carolina Kenny
04-13-2010, 08:09 AM
Also props to Alex going 3-5 as the classless Jay fans mercilessly let him have it.

I think I'm going to like Alex a lot. Man, he's smooth in Center.

Alex could be the best all round CF we have had since Tommie Agee.

Carolina Kenny
04-13-2010, 08:12 AM
I totally missed Saturday's game because I was on the road in the San Jose area. But I saw they took a 1-0 lead deep in the game, despite concerns over Garcia as a fifth starter. Friday night, of course, the Sox not only had a lead at one time, but should have won the game in nine innings.

The White Sox easily could be 6-1 without any more offensive success than a few productive outs. If Saturday's one-run loss can be considered winnable, they could be 7-0.

It's nice to see the Sox follow up a disappointing opening homestand with an exciting road win. Maybe this will point the season in the right direction. The 1972 White Sox, the best Sox team of that decade, were 2-5 before turning things around and taking off. Had they not been in the same division with a great A's team, people would remember that team more fondly.

Wilbur!!
Buddy Bradford!!

SephClone89
04-13-2010, 08:15 AM
Alex could be the best all round CF we have had since Tommie Agee.

Or Happy Felsch!

BoysMom3
04-13-2010, 08:31 AM
I don't know if it's been noted yet but did anyone else catch the love the Toronto fans expressed for AJ? Towards the end of the game I saw two things that made me laugh.

First I saw several Toronto fans really laying into AJ, screaming at him. Second, on a foul ball behind homeplate AJ leaned into the stands but missed catching the ball on the fly. The ball was rolling on ground beyond the wall. Did AJ leave the ball for the fans scrambling for it? No, AJ reached down and snatched the ball away from the fans and then jogged away with the ball. AJ making friends in Toronto!

That. With the foul ball. Loved it. A.J. - LOL!!

Carolina Kenny
04-13-2010, 08:35 AM
Or Happy Felsch!

1920 Happy Felsch, amongst the greatest seasons by any Sox patrolling the CF. OPS .923

The following year banned from MLB.

SephClone89
04-13-2010, 08:38 AM
1920 Happy Felsch, amongst the greatest seasons by any Sox patrolling the CF. OPS .923

The following year banned from MLB.

Yeah. I hadn't realised that he was such a fantastic hitter until looking him up on baseball-reference last summer. The fact that he's played by Charlie ****ing Sheen obscures his statistics a bit. :D:

Guy was only 28 upon his banishment. Could've become a Hall of Famer or true Sox legend. And people would actually know who I'm talking about when I make Happy Felsch jokes...

chisox12
04-13-2010, 08:46 AM
Maybe this Teahen guy isn't so bad. Huge W last night.

soxfanreggie
04-13-2010, 09:22 AM
Maybe this Teahen guy isn't so bad. Huge W last night.

It's tough to measure someone not 10 games into the season. We're 3-4 and our losses have all been by 1 or 2 runs. Next up, it's Rios' turn to batter and bruise his former team with a couple XBHs. It's looking like we have a bunch of guys who can step up on any single night, so hopefully one or two slumping players won't kill our offense.

3-4 with 2 HRs and 4 RBIs out of Jones - imagine how valuable he will be if we can get some more games out of him like that. A lot of people aren't even talking about Rios' 3 for 5 because of Jones and Teahen's performances. Then look at the bullpen (besides Williams facing one batter): quality outings from Santos, Putz, Thornton, and Jenks. 5.1 IP, 0 R, 0 H, 2 BB, and 9 Ks - that's a pretty darn good stat line there.

WhiteSox1989
04-13-2010, 09:30 AM
Not really concerned about Peavy, but he did look pretty awful. Though I have faith he'll get his **** together.

Lets hope Floyd can get a win tonight, I'll be there hoping the 18 hour travel time is worth it.

october23sp
04-13-2010, 09:34 AM
I missed the entire game because I was sick.:(: Glad to see a Sox winner though.:bandance:

tick53
04-13-2010, 09:43 AM
Hey, we have a winning streak going!

And let's keep it going. Nice win. Jones is da man. Sergio is deadly. I knew Teahan would come around BUT Jenks still scares me. Let's win the series and put a nice streak together.

lpneck
04-13-2010, 09:47 AM
I don't know if it's been noted yet but did anyone else catch the love the Toronto fans expressed for AJ? Towards the end of the game I saw two things that made me laugh.

First I saw several Toronto fans really laying into AJ, screaming at him. Second, on a foul ball behind homeplate AJ leaned into the stands but missed catching the ball on the fly. The ball was rolling on ground beyond the wall. Did AJ leave the ball for the fans scrambling for it? No, AJ reached down and snatched the ball away from the fans and then jogged away with the ball. AJ making friends in Toronto!

I saw this too- the fans there kind of fought him as he was trying to make the catch (which, good for them- it's an opposing player and the ball was into the stands... you should make it tough on him.) AJ then reached over and picked the ball up from underneath one of the seats, but then flipped the ball into a different section of the crowd, which is even better. It was like, "OK, a fan can have the ball, but not THESE fans."

Hitmen77
04-13-2010, 10:06 AM
With the exception of the first game, has every game been a one run game? Good showing by the offense.

We lost to Cleveland 5-3 twice.

the 2nd loss to Cleveland was in extra innings - so in a sense we were one run short of winning that game (in 9 innings).

....and of course that other 5-3 loss was the one where we pounded out an incredible 2 hits.

I'm not worried about Peavy (yet). It helps ease my mind that he got 3 solid starts under his belt for us last season. If he has a few more rough outings in a row, then I'll start to worry.

TheOldRoman
04-13-2010, 10:11 AM
What a job by Teahan and Jones.
And Santos-scary good.

As for Peavy, Kenny's success with small deals towers over his attempts at bringing in the stud.Really? Really? I know we declared Pierre to be washed up and Teahen to be the worst player of all time three games into the season, but are we really declaring Jake ****ing Peavy a failure already?

palehozenychicty
04-13-2010, 10:14 AM
Good win. If Jones gives this level of production all season, then that would be more than a robbery. It'd be an assault.

Jake has not looked good yet. It may even take the season to adjust. He's a good pitcher and will figure it out.

I'm sure Teahen is feeling a lot better about himself. He had been terrible since the start of spring training.

jabrch
04-13-2010, 10:44 AM
Really? Really? I know we declared Pierre to be washed up and Teahen to be the worst player of all time three games into the season, but are we really declaring Jake ****ing Peavy a failure already?


Are you surprised?

I'm not surprised to see certain people draw conclusions based on 2 starts. They drew conclusions in December with no games having been played - why not continue to do so now with a handful down. It's the same people who know everything who are 100% sure they are right and can give us all the answers...so take it with a grain of salt.

I'm more than willing to let Peavy have more than two starts before I draw in conclusion about his 2010 season. Some aren't - and they are of course entitled to that opinion. I laugh at it.

Jerko
04-13-2010, 10:57 AM
What scares me most about Peavy isn't the amount of runs given up per se (not that it's a good stat), but that in his 2 starts, the Sox have scored in 5 innings, and he's given runs up the very next half-inning 4 times. IMO that's a head thing that he needs to clear up and then he'll be fine.

hi im skot
04-13-2010, 10:59 AM
First I saw several Toronto fans really laying into AJ, screaming at him. Second, on a foul ball behind homeplate AJ leaned into the stands but missed catching the ball on the fly. The ball was rolling on ground beyond the wall. Did AJ leave the ball for the fans scrambling for it? No, AJ reached down and snatched the ball away from the fans and then jogged away with the ball. AJ making friends in Toronto!

He tossed the ball into the stands; just not anywhere near where the ball initially landed.

It was still pretty funny.

DirtySox
04-13-2010, 11:09 AM
What scares me most about Peavy isn't the amount of runs given up per se (not that it's a good stat), but that in his 2 starts, the Sox have scored in 5 innings, and he's given runs up the very next half-inning 4 times. IMO that's a head thing that he needs to clear up and then he'll be fine.

I'm worried about Jake's velocity. PitchFX data has it lower than usual and yesterday's outing was even lower than his first start. It's been noted on a few different Sox sites with the evidenced data. Hopefully he's back to sitting around 93-94 soon and he just isn't up to 100% from spring training yet.

soxinem1
04-13-2010, 11:26 AM
Andruw Jones everyday, please.

Yes, I agree. Not so much because of this game, but for several other reasons.

One, I never believed they got him to be some 4th OF, platoon guy. KW and Ozzie figured that they could get him to be productive again, and a low $$$$ signnig and a challenge might get him motivated.

Two, since ST he has looked like he is ready to play defense AND run, and running has not been part of his game in a long while.

Three, his swing has been 'dialed in' since ST and they should give him the benefit of the doubt, especially when he can help this lineup.

And Four, forget the crappy seasons from 2007-2009. He is still feared more by opposing pitchers than Kotsay ever was. Hitting two HR yesterday and hitting the ball pretty hard for the last month will just give us another sorely needed option in this line up, regardless if we face LHP or RHP. Pitchers will fear making a mistake to Jones far and away more than one to Kotsay or any of the other options we currently have.

I'd say he should be given 20-25 straight games in the lineup, be it DH, LF, or CF. That will be the only way to tell if Jones is the real deal.

A swing like his does not do well sitting around. He's going to K his share of times, but if we put up with it from Thome for four years, we can with this guy too.

The only thing I do not like is Jones in CF with Rios in LF, like Ozzie did a couple games ago. The only time Jones should be in CF is if Rios is given a day off or DHing himself.

CPditka
04-13-2010, 11:29 AM
Id like to thank the Sox for going to extra innings so I could watch 24, and switch back in time to see the final action.


Peavy will be fine.

TheVulture
04-13-2010, 12:51 PM
Chalk up that win to KW...offseason acquisitions Jones and Teahen go 6-9 with 7 RBI.


Don't forget the bullpen: 5.1 IP 0 R 9 K.

:hawk:
"That'll work."

TheVulture
04-13-2010, 01:00 PM
Ah, I guess I missed that one, I was referring to your first post. I understand your concern, but I guess I'm just actually relieved this team shows it can still hit for power, I've been worried that we don't have enough of it. Hey, at least it was 5 out of 8 and not 8 out of 8.

I think this team is still capable of hitting 200 HRs. Ninety plus out of Konerko, Quentin and Jones and 90 plus from Beckham, AJ, Teahen, Ramirez and Rios is not out of the question at all.

guillensdisciple
04-13-2010, 02:33 PM
Don't forget the bullpen: 5.1 IP 0 R 9 K.

:hawk:
"That'll work."

Absolutely disgusting statistic. This team has the potential to be massive in the bullpen. If Linebrink has a resurgence, and Santos is as good as he has been- how will people win games when they are down after 6 innings? The fact that we have solid long guys like Pena and Williams makes this bullpen even more dangerous. Those guys will come in games that we are down by 3 or 4 early and allow us to stay in them.

Irreplaceable really, when you have a bullpen like that.

guillen4life13
04-13-2010, 02:35 PM
Absolutely disgusting statistic. This team has the potential to be massive in the bullpen. If Linebrink has a resurgence, and Santos is as good as he has been- how will people win games when they are down after 6 innings? The fact that we have solid long guys like Pena and Williams makes this bullpen even more dangerous. Those guys will come in games that we are down by 3 or 4 early and allow us to stay in them.

Irreplaceable really, when you have a bullpen like that.

Your what hurts?

guillensdisciple
04-13-2010, 02:37 PM
Your what hurts?


Woops,:redface:, I meant Linebrink- even though he could still be considered to be a crazy call.

downstairs
04-13-2010, 02:45 PM
That's what I thought. Someone seemed to intimate there were some that were there booing even during the 1st AB.

I didn't see his first AB, but I know when he pinch hit once, it was a tight game and the MIN announcers even said "they won't cheer him in this situation because they don't want to pump him up".

And there were a few boos, not much.

WhiteSoxFTW
04-13-2010, 02:49 PM
Absolutely disgusting statistic. This team has the potential to be massive in the bullpen. If Linebrink has a resurgence, and Santos is as good as he has been- how will people win games when they are down after 6 innings? The fact that we have solid long guys like Pena and Williams makes this bullpen even more dangerous. Those guys will come in games that we are down by 3 or 4 early and allow us to stay in them.

Irreplaceable really, when you have a bullpen like that.
I heard Cowley say this morning that Pena is still walking around with ice on his arm after throwing for three innings the other night. The White Sox bullpen does not have a long-inning guy. They have a bunch of 1 inning guys that can stretch it into two if need be.

Jim Shorts
04-13-2010, 02:52 PM
I heard Cowley say this morning that Pena is still walking around with ice on his arm after throwing for three innings the other night. The White Sox bullpen does not have a long-inning guy. They have a bunch of 1 inning guys that can stretch it into two if need be.


Which is exactly why I was stunned that they did not re-sign Carrasco.

hawkjt
04-13-2010, 02:55 PM
I was surprised that they let Carrasco go,but i guess Hudson is the insurance for long relief,and Pena did a good job the other nite...if he recovers.

WhiteSoxFTW
04-13-2010, 03:18 PM
I was surprised that they let Carrasco go,but i guess Hudson is the insurance for long relief,and Pena did a good job the other nite...if he recovers.
How is Hudson the insurance for long relief?...unless it is Freddie that is struggling. They are grooming him to be a starter, not an "innings-eater" type guy.

I was thinking about it this morning. They have 12 pitchers this year, instead of 13. If they for some reason need to bring up a long-reliever type guy, they really don't have room to do so. I don't think they can afford to get rid of a middle reliever, and if you got rid of Williams, you only have 1 lefty in the pen. Who on the bench are you going to get rid of? Nix? I don't think they can just send anyone down off the bench, right?

Boondock Saint
04-13-2010, 03:22 PM
I think that having an effective Putz and Santos makes our bullpen that much steadier. Thornton doesn't have to be the "non-closer have to get out of this jam right now" guy. Linebrink and Pena don't have to pitch every seventh inning. The bullpen is flexible again. But as it's been mentioned, we need a guy that can eat some innings.

JermaineDye05
04-13-2010, 03:26 PM
I'm worried about Jake's velocity. PitchFX data has it lower than usual and yesterday's outing was even lower than his first start. It's been noted on a few different Sox sites with the evidenced data. Hopefully he's back to sitting around 93-94 soon and he just isn't up to 100% from spring training yet.

Yeah, I'm not so concerned about the results right now either.

Justin Verlander has a 9.00 ERA to after 2 starts.

tstrike2000
04-13-2010, 03:42 PM
Little early for that, but you can see the potential. Santos appears to have the guts necessary to close. We've seen him come in and put out fires a couple times already. He's been very impressive.

Good because we need as many quality relievers as we can.

JermaineDye05
04-13-2010, 03:46 PM
I was surprised that they let Carrasco go,but i guess Hudson is the insurance for long relief,and Pena did a good job the other nite...if he recovers.

Which is exactly why I was stunned that they did not re-sign Carrasco.

I think they let him go because they felt with 5 reliable starters who will, for the most part, go 6-7 innings, the team didn't need a long inning guy.

Carrasco was mostly used during starts by Richard/Contreras/Colon.

WhiteSoxFTW
04-13-2010, 03:53 PM
I think they let him go because they felt with 5 reliable starters who will, for the most part, go 6-7 innings, the team didn't need a long inning guy.

Carrasco was mostly used during starts by Richard/Contreras/Colon.
That's true. I just hope we don't need one. And, if we do, it's going to be hard to make room for one. Though, that would mean the both Freddie and Hudson are getting shelled and not making it out of the 4th/5th inning. Heh, I don't think that will happen. But, then again, it's baseball.

UChicagoHP
04-13-2010, 04:32 PM
Serigio Santos has AMAZING "stuff", he may have the nastiest stuff on the team. I hope he is the real deal, because he has closer of the future written all over him...assuming he has the head to go along with his live arm.

I see has only been a pitcher for one year? And his 2009 minor league numbers are nothing to write home about...odd...well, maybe he figured it out?

Thome_Fan
04-13-2010, 10:03 PM
Serigio Santos has AMAZING "stuff", he may have the nastiest stuff on the team. I hope he is the real deal, because he has closer of the future written all over him...assuming he has the head to go along with his live arm.

I see has only been a pitcher for one year? And his 2009 minor league numbers are nothing to write home about...odd...well, maybe he figured it out?

He's a recently converted infielder. So yeah, he's only been pitching a year and it was him figuring it out in the minors. I'd say it looks like he's figured it out...