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Milw
04-09-2010, 09:34 AM
Today, John Kass gets all paternal about some guy who got laid in a bathroom stall at The Cell on Opening Day, decrying it as some horribly offensive thing.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0409-20100409,0,6144264,full.column

I'm not a father, and I suspect that taints my view on this, but really? This is worth raising outrage over?

WhiteSox1989
04-09-2010, 09:42 AM
I don't think he should've busted down the door, probably should have alerted security..or something.

ewokpelts
04-09-2010, 09:49 AM
over-reaction by kass.

I'd be pissed if i had a kid with me when that happened, but you move on.

opening day is a madhouse. add warm weather and you have a recipe for stupidity.




meanwhile, there was no toilet paper in the upper deck ladies rooms when the park opened on monday. so there.

GoGoCrede
04-09-2010, 10:02 AM
LOL I guess that's what he gets for trying to be a good Samaritan?

And that girl needs to get better standards. Bathroom is low-class.

WhiteSox1989
04-09-2010, 10:03 AM
LOL I guess that's what he gets for trying to be a good Samaritan?

And that girl needs to get better standards. Bathroom is low-class.
The dude needs better standards, as well.

GoGoCrede
04-09-2010, 10:04 AM
The dude needs better standards, as well.

Or at least directions to the nearest hotel! :smile:

CPditka
04-09-2010, 10:05 AM
just kidding about the high five.

mantis1212
04-09-2010, 10:07 AM
just kidding about the high five.

Same here. It does seem like an overreaction to have an article in the newspaper about it. Worse **** happens than this.

GoGoCrede
04-09-2010, 10:09 AM
Same here. It does seem like an overreaction to have an article in the newspaper about it. Worse **** happens than this.

It does to me too, but I don't know how I'd react if it was my (admittedly non-existent) kid that saw that.

Marqhead
04-09-2010, 10:10 AM
Haha, didn't this happen at a Hawkeyes game last year and everyone flipped out?

TheOldRoman
04-09-2010, 10:23 AM
Haha, didn't this happen at a Hawkeyes game last year and everyone flipped out?That was a hook-up of two married people who weren't married to eachother. And it was caught on tape. The woman lost her job because of it.

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 10:30 AM
Went to the game with my two young sons, sitting in 538. Probably used that same rest room, but apparently at a different time. FWIW, I'd have reported it to security and moved on.

Railsplitter
04-09-2010, 10:52 AM
Making a mountain out of an ant hill.

DSpivack
04-09-2010, 11:10 AM
So I guess... sex cells?

GoGoCrede
04-09-2010, 11:43 AM
So I guess... sex cells?

GROAN (but I laughed anyway).

g0g0
04-09-2010, 12:01 PM
I'd be pissed only if they were using the last stall and I had to take a duece! :tongue:

Nellie_Fox
04-09-2010, 12:51 PM
Our standards as a culture keep sinking lower and lower. Where do you draw the line at things that "outrage" you, if not here?

TommyJohn
04-09-2010, 01:08 PM
So I guess... sex cells?Sox, Sex, at Cell sorry, Sell

g0g0
04-09-2010, 01:31 PM
Our standards as a culture keep sinking lower and lower. Where do you draw the line at things that "outrage" you, if not here?

I don't think it's sunk lower. Hello, think of Studio 54 30+ years ago. Now THAT was depravity.

Parrothead
04-09-2010, 01:33 PM
I might ask her if she had a sister or friend there who was available ? :D:

soltrain21
04-09-2010, 01:33 PM
I might ask her if she had a sister or friend there who was available ? :D:

Annndddd that's ****ing gross.

doublem23
04-09-2010, 01:44 PM
I don't think it's sunk lower. Hello, think of Studio 54 30+ years ago. Now THAT was depravity.

Seriously. Nobody is endorsing banging in a public restroom, but uh, it's been done.

Corlose 15
04-09-2010, 01:54 PM
Did anybody read the article? He didn't bust down the door, he kicked it to make sure nothing life threatening was happening.

I'm pretty surprised at the reaction to this. Not only is it unsanitary but it's not something that should be happening in front of kids.

Just because "its been done before" doesn't make it excusable.

Corlose 15
04-09-2010, 01:55 PM
I don't think it's sunk lower. Hello, think of Studio 54 30+ years ago. Now THAT was depravity.

One was at an exclusive club in NYC filled with coke fiends, and another one in a public restroom in front of kids. Almost the same thing.:rolleyes:

Lip Man 1
04-09-2010, 02:09 PM
Kass has a valid point. You can bet Daley and Reinsdorf will increase security. This won't happen again.

Lip

BadBobbyJenks
04-09-2010, 02:15 PM
http://punchong.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/borat2.jpg

PorkChopExpress
04-09-2010, 02:16 PM
He may not have "kicked down the door," but he kicked it. All he had to do was knock and ask if everything was alright if that's what he truly intended. He knew what was happening and kicked it in order to disrupt them. I would have just ignored it and moved on. The only reason his kid saw anything was because of what he did. Had he ignored it because he knew what it was, or knocked only to find out no one was dying (unless this was a Billy Shakespeare story), his son would have been none the wiser. Kass' article is an overreaction in my opinion.

On another note, I thought it was funny that Kass ended the article with the "I bet he's not a father" line. He should have added, "At least not yet."

Marqhead
04-09-2010, 02:25 PM
Kass has a valid point. You can bet Daley and Reinsdorf will increase security. This won't happen again.

Lip

What are there going to be security guards placed outside of each stall?

Morons are going to be morons no matter how much security or how many off duty police you decide to patrol the bathrooms with.

getonbckthr
04-09-2010, 02:25 PM
I'd be pissed only if they were using the last stall and I had to take a duece! :tongue:
Well played sir.
I might ask her if she had a sister or friend there who was available ? :D:
Better get a hot dog wrapper first....
The dude needs better standards, as well.
That depends. If it was his gf/wife then I agree. If it was a random chick he met at the game then the space is pretty limited.

And that girl needs to get better standards. Bathroom is low-class.
This I agree 100% with. I know i'm talking in double standards however if a buddy of mine hooked up with a random girl I'd say well-done, if it was one of my girl-friends then she would get a stern talking too and maybe a kick in the ass.

Corlose 15
04-09-2010, 02:27 PM
He may not have "kicked down the door," but he kicked it. All he had to do was knock and ask if everything was alright if that's what he truly intended. He knew what was happening and kicked it in order to disrupt them. I would have just ignored it and moved on. The only reason his kid saw anything was because of what he did. Had he ignored it because he knew what it was, or knocked only to find out know one was dying (unless this was a Billy Shakespeare story), his son would have been none the wiser. Kass' article is an overreaction in my opinion.

On another note, I thought it was funny that Kass ended the article with the "I bet he's not a father" line. He should have added, "At least not yet."

Well god forbid somebody be disrupted while having sex in a public restroom. They really deserve privacy at a time like that.:rolleyes:

Jerko
04-09-2010, 02:28 PM
What are there going to be security guards placed outside of each stall?

Morons are going to be morons no matter how much security or how many off duty police you decide to patrol the bathrooms with.

Maybe one outside each door to make sure no guy goes into the ladies room or vice versa. Now if 2 guys or 2 girls want to go at it, well, then they'd need one outside of each stall.

Marqhead
04-09-2010, 02:34 PM
Maybe one outside each door to make sure no guy goes into the ladies room or vice versa. Now if 2 guys or 2 girls want to go at it, well, then they'd need one outside of each stall.

How many bathrooms are there in the Cell? How feasible/reasonable is this really?

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 02:35 PM
I would have just ignored it and moved on. The only reason his kid saw anything was because of what he did. Had he ignored it because he knew what it was, or knocked only to find out know one was dying (unless this was a Billy Shakespeare story), his son would have been none the wiser.

I agree with this. Yes, it's an "outrage." But parents with young kids should know when, or how, to fight their battles. I'd have stuck to whisking the kid (or my boys at the game) out and telling security. I'm sure they'd have been none the wiser.

JB98
04-09-2010, 02:40 PM
I'd just pretend not to notice.

Maybe I would feel differently if I was a father.

Nellie_Fox
04-09-2010, 02:41 PM
..if a buddy of mine hooked up with a random girl I'd say well-doneReally? Sex in a public bathroom with some unknown skank would earn a "well done" from you?

Yeah, our culture isn't declining.

Corlose 15
04-09-2010, 02:41 PM
I agree with this. Yes, it's an "outrage." But parents with young kids should know when, or how, to fight their battles. I'd have stuck to whisking the kid (or my boys at the game) out and telling security. I'm sure they'd have been none the wiser.

The kid found out about it when the guy came out with his arms raised and the lady scuttled out. If they were in there when it happened they would have found out about it either way.

Knocking on the door wouldn't have been any better because the kind of dumbass who does this in public probably wouldn't have been discrete in his explanation of what was going on.

PorkChopExpress
04-09-2010, 02:42 PM
Well god forbid somebody be disrupted while having sex in a public restroom. They really deserve privacy at a time like that.:rolleyes:

I didn't say they should have had an expectation of privacy, but he shouldn't be complaining about what his child was forced to see when he could have avoided the situation but chose to act instead. I don't condone sex in a public place, nor am I specifically against it, but I certainly would expect negative results if I were to invlove myself in another couple's public sexcapades. I'm just saying.

PorkChopExpress
04-09-2010, 02:50 PM
The kid found out about it when the guy came out with his arms raised and the lady scuttled out. If they were in there when it happened they would have found out about it either way.

Had he just left and gone to another restroom when he suspected what was going on, his child would not have seen anything.

Had he just ignored it and gone about his business, there is also the chance that the couple would not have finished before he did and his child may not have seen it.

Knocking on the door wouldn't have been any better because the kind of dumbass who does this in public probably wouldn't have been discrete in his explanation of what was going on.

A knock may have gotten a simple "occupied" response or an "I'm fine" response. Maybe not, but a kick to the door surely would not have resulted in either, and frankly could have resulted in worse.

There's really no way to know what would have happened had the kicker chosen another path, but in my experience, avoidance will tend to have better results a large majority of the time.

Corlose 15
04-09-2010, 02:52 PM
Had he just left and gone to another restroom when he suspected what was going on, his child would not have seen anything.

Had he just ignored it and gone about his business, there is also the chance that the couple would not have finished before he did and his child may not have seen it.



A knock may have gotten a simple "occupied" response or an "I'm fine" response. Maybe not, but a kick to the door surely would not have resulted in either, and frankly could have resulted in worse.

There's really no way to know what would have happened had the kicker chosen another path, but in my experience, avoidance will tend to have better results a large majority of the time.

What about the next father and son who come in when the previous father and son have left and hear the same thing and then are subjected to this loser coming out with his arms raised hearing his congratulations and the woman scampering away with a coat on her head?

The burden of proper etiquite isn't on the father and son here.

Jerko
04-09-2010, 02:56 PM
How many bathrooms are there in the Cell? How feasible/reasonable is this really?

If they do anything, which I doubt, I would guess that they'd do random "bathroom checks". I really don't think they will do anything though. If they do, I assume it would only be for the "Big 4" games anyway (OD and Cubs).

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 02:56 PM
There's really no way to know what would have happened had the kicker chosen another path, but in my experience, avoidance will tend to have better results a large majority of the time.

Not sure about most of the time in all circumstances, but with kids, yes, for better or worse, a discreet knock--and definitely not waiting, as Kass puts it, "[m]oments later" for the couple to emerge--might have been better.

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 02:59 PM
What about the next father and son who come in when the previous father and son have left and hear the same thing and then are subjected to this loser coming out with his arms raised hearing his congratulations and the woman scampering away with a coat on her head?

The burden of proper etiquite isn't on the father and son here.

Would they have scurried out so without the attention drawn to the situation? I've no idea. Do you?

I agree the burden of etiquette isn't on the father and son. I'm just saying, as a father who was at the game with young sons, I might have handled the situation differently.

doublem23
04-09-2010, 03:03 PM
Really? Sex in a public bathroom with some unknown skank would earn a "well done" from you?

Yeah, our culture isn't declining.

God damn, do I hate posts like this, as if there was ever some mythological time when there was this "perfect" culture. Never mind literacy and college enrollments are up across the board, or that the internet has opened doors for artists, musicians, etc. to reach a broader base of people than ever before, or that we are scientifically more advanced than could have ever been dreamed possible just 20 years ago, TWO JACKASSES WERE HAVING SEX IN A PUBLIC BATHROOM, WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!

PorkChopExpress
04-09-2010, 03:09 PM
The burden of proper etiquite isn't on the father and son here.

I'm not really sure etiquette is the issue here. I don't know what the "proper" etiquette is when you encounter people having sex in public. But I know two wrongs don't make a right, and the father had a better chance of preventing his son from seeing anything disturbing by not kicking the stall door or by simply walking away if that was truly his biggest concern. I don't know how the situtation would have developed had he not called attention to it by kicking the door. But again, I think the odds of the couple leaving quietly and relatively unnoticed by children would have been better by not drawing further attention to the two in the stall.

Bruizer
04-09-2010, 03:10 PM
No wonder the men's line went out the door! :tongue:

GoGoCrede
04-09-2010, 03:12 PM
Would they have scurried out so without the attention drawn to the situation? I've no idea. Do you?

I agree the burden of etiquette isn't on the father and son. I'm just saying, as a father who was at the game with young sons, I might have handled the situation differently.

I agree with this. I think in the end, no matter what the dad should have done differently, he meant well - he thought someone was in danger. For all we know, he didn't know what was really going on in there. I don't have kids, but I'm betting I'd have been annoyed if my kid saw that.

If I had seen that on Opening Day, I'd have rolled my eyes and found a different stall.

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 03:28 PM
I agree with this. I think in the end, no matter what the dad should have done differently, he meant well - he thought someone was in danger. For all we know, he didn't know what was really going on in there. I don't have kids, but I'm betting I'd have been annoyed if my kid saw that.

If I had seen that on Opening Day, I'd have rolled my eyes and found a different stall.

Thanks--though, looking over the thread, I think "PorkChopExpress" is far smarter than I am.

To be sure, I'd definitely have been annoyed! And, while I like to think I'd have been able to whisk the boys out of there and discreetly tell security about it, there's no telling what I would have actually done. For better or worse, I probably would have been reticent about speaking to the papers about it. The whole situation, from the incident itself to the morons cheering it, would have been awkward enough to me as a parent without having to explain it all again after the newspapers were published. But others may feel differently . . .

yazz32
04-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Actually I have seen worse stuff happen at the Bullpen Bar ... it is what it is..

gregoriop
04-09-2010, 03:30 PM
Actually I have seen worse stuff happen at the Bullpen Bar ... it is what it is..



Like what?

soltrain21
04-09-2010, 03:33 PM
Like what?

Yeah, really. What tops that?

Dog fighting, drug ringed orgy?

g0g0
04-09-2010, 03:48 PM
One was at an exclusive club in NYC filled with coke fiends, and another one in a public restroom in front of kids. Almost the same thing.:rolleyes:

True. I'm not endorsing what happened. I'm a parent of a 1 year old boy and would never want him to see that, but this particular incident is an isolated case.

It's Dankerific
04-09-2010, 04:11 PM
Some of us may be products of this sort of thing in the high recesses of Old Comiskey.

getonbckthr
04-09-2010, 04:13 PM
Actually I have seen worse stuff happen at the Bullpen Bar ... it is what it is..

Like what?

Yeah, really. What tops that?

Dog fighting, drug ringed orgy?
A Mark Teahen fan club?

DickAllen72
04-09-2010, 04:38 PM
Our standards as a culture keep sinking lower and lower. Where do you draw the line at things that "outrage" you, if not here?
Agreed. The bar has been lowered and lowered so much over the years that some people don't react to anything improper or indecent anymore.

DSpivack
04-09-2010, 05:25 PM
Agreed. The bar has been lowered and lowered so much over the years that some people don't react to anything improper or indecent anymore.
So at what point in the past was 'culture' so much better if it has declined so much?

Slappy
04-09-2010, 05:49 PM
Haha. Funny stuff.

I read an article about a restaurant that opened recently, that actually encourages eaters to have sex in their bathrooms. I have the link saved on another computer...

This doesn't offend me, and I'll leave it at that :D:

Marqhead
04-09-2010, 05:53 PM
So at what point in the past was 'culture' so much better if it has declined so much?

People make this assertion all the time, yet when asked this question no one can come up with a good answer. Why? Because we're more advanced as a culture now than at any point in the past.

DumpJerry
04-09-2010, 06:18 PM
Just to mess with the guy, I would have stood near the stall and said very loudly in a deep "big guy" voice: "Where the hell did my sister go? I saw her come in here! I've told her this is how she got Herpes that one time and she promised to be more responsible from now on."

Lip Man 1
04-09-2010, 07:19 PM
Marq:

They'll put them in the bathroom area itself. The next time a "female" walks into a men's bathroom she'll be escorted out.

They don't have to put someone next to each stall. They'll be able to hear if anything "unusual" is taking place and handle it accordingly.

Lip

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 07:35 PM
More from Deadspin: http://deadspin.com/5513844/chicago-has-a-history-of-stadium-bathroom-stall-sex

Thome25
04-09-2010, 07:43 PM
Three words to both Kass and the good doctor:

GET.OVER.IT.

JB98
04-09-2010, 07:50 PM
Just to mess with the guy, I would have stood near the stall and said very loudly in a deep "big guy" voice: "Where the hell did my sister go? I saw her come in here! I've told her this is how she got Herpes that one time and she promised to be more responsible from now on."

Heh heh ... in my younger years I might have taunted the guy. "No, no, no, you're doing it all wrong!" Then, I would have started booing or something.

Nowadays, I believe I'd just shake my head and act like I saw nothing.

Brian26
04-09-2010, 07:54 PM
This doesn't offend me, and I'll leave it at that :D:

Smart move.

Brian26
04-09-2010, 07:55 PM
So at what point in the past was 'culture' so much better if it has declined so much?

The point in the past when you could take your son to a baseball game and feel safe about it.

Brian26
04-09-2010, 07:57 PM
Marq:

They'll put them in the bathroom area itself. The next time a "female" walks into a men's bathroom she'll be escorted out.

They don't have to put someone next to each stall. They'll be able to hear if anything "unusual" is taking place and handle it accordingly.

Lip

The realist in me expects that the Sox will address this for awhile and then, like with past changes, those bathroom security guards will quickly disappear again.

Thome25
04-09-2010, 07:58 PM
The point in the past when you could take your son to a baseball game and feel safe about it.

Yeah because people weren't smoking, cussing, or fighting at ballgames in the past. :rolleyes:

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 07:59 PM
The point in the past when you could take your son to a baseball game and feel safe about it.

Hard for me to compare with my pre-fatherhood days, but I think I feel safer taking my young sons to a game today than I would have during some of the wilder times at the old park 30-or-so years ago.

BadBobbyJenks
04-09-2010, 08:00 PM
The point in the past when you could take your son to a baseball game and feel safe about it.

Oh those were the days before alcohol was invented.

Brian26
04-09-2010, 08:02 PM
More from Deadspin: http://deadspin.com/5513844/chicago-has-a-history-of-stadium-bathroom-stall-sex

Any truth to the rumor that its actually Cindy Sandburg coming out of that stall?

JB98
04-09-2010, 08:03 PM
The point in the past when you could take your son to a baseball game and feel safe about it.

I've been told that the old ballpark was like a saloon back in the 1970s, especially for night games. I can't really speak to that, since I was born in 1976.

But from my perspective, there are *******s out there. There have always been *******s out there, and there will always be *******s out there.

I'm not convinced that things are worse now than they were at any other point in time.

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 08:03 PM
Any truth to the rumor that its actually Cindy Sandburg coming out of that stall?

LOL! I'd never heard that one. I guess I lead a sheltered life.:redface:

thomas35forever
04-09-2010, 08:03 PM
IMO, a ballpark is not the best place to that stuff, especially if the place is sold out.

BadBobbyJenks
04-09-2010, 08:05 PM
IMO, a ballpark is not the best place to that stuff, especially if the place is sold out.

I always take the skanks to Marlins games, never been bothered.

thomas35forever
04-09-2010, 08:07 PM
I always take the skanks to Marlins games, never been bothered.
Tell me teal was implied there.

Brian26
04-09-2010, 08:08 PM
Hard for me to compare with my pre-fatherhood days, but I think I feel safer taking my young sons to a game today than I would have during some of the wilder times at the old park 30-or-so years ago.

I'll give you that. Old Comiskey had a certain aura of danger around it as a kid growing up in the late 70s/early 80s.

DSpivack
04-09-2010, 08:16 PM
Tell me teal was implied there.

Of course it was, he was talking about the Marlins, an entire franchise covered in sarcasm! :tongue:

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 08:19 PM
I'll give you that. Old Comiskey had a certain aura of danger around it as a kid growing up in the late 70s/early 80s.

I remember some fat guy streaking across the field during a night game I attended at the old park in the early 1970s; I can't remember if it was '73 or '74, or if I was 10 or 11. That was more amusing than shocking; most everybody was laughing. It almost certainly was less upsetting to me than seeing bathroom sex at that age would have been.

I also remember a few brawls at the old park in the late 1970s, when I was a teenager, and which probably were more upsetting to me than seeing bathroom sex would have been. Two bathroom ****ers wouldn't deck me; two ****ers fighting might inadvertently hit me.

But who knows? I'm guessing my father honestly may have felt more comfortable protecting me from brawls than from the sight of bathroom sex at a young age.

BadBobbyJenks
04-09-2010, 08:21 PM
Of course it was, he was talking about the Marlins, an entire franchise covered in sarcasm! :tongue:

Haha, well played. And of course I was joking.

Red Barchetta
04-09-2010, 08:54 PM
Since the guy left before his partner, makes you wonder if he just got lucky on the spot. If so, well-played.

Better than that couple in Toronto (?) that did it in the upper deck.

DSpivack
04-09-2010, 08:56 PM
Since the guy left before his partner, makes you wonder if he just got lucky on the spot. If so, well-played.

Better than that couple in Toronto (?) that did it in the upper deck.

Well-played? Ech. There are few more disgusting places I could think of.

Red Barchetta
04-09-2010, 09:17 PM
Well-played? Ech. There are few more disgusting places I could think of.

You're right. Like Wrigley! :D:

slavko
04-09-2010, 09:23 PM
God damn, do I hate posts like this, as if there was ever some mythological time when there was this "perfect" culture. Never mind literacy and college enrollments are up across the board, or that the internet has opened doors for artists, musicians, etc. to reach a broader base of people than ever before, or that we are scientifically more advanced than could have ever been dreamed possible just 20 years ago, TWO JACKASSES WERE HAVING SEX IN A PUBLIC BATHROOM, WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!

What doors has the Internet opened for us? Advertising, bad jokes, dubious information presented as fact, porno, gambling, and thank God, WSI.

This thread seems to be delimited by age (AFAICT) so there may be something to the decline of standards. Not that 50 years ago an evening walk in the park didn't cause one to see a lot of moving shrubbery.

mantis1212
04-09-2010, 09:38 PM
Hard for me to compare with my pre-fatherhood days, but I think I feel safer taking my young sons to a game today than I would have during some of the wilder times at the old park 30-or-so years ago.

No kidding- wasn't there a story of a couple having sex in the outfield during disco demolition night over 30 years ago? Yes, we sure miss the good ol' days!

voodoochile
04-09-2010, 09:38 PM
What doors has the Internet opened for us? Advertising, bad jokes, dubious information presented as fact, porno, gambling, and thank God, WSI.

This thread seems to be delimited by age (AFAICT) so there may be something to the decline of standards. Not that 50 years ago an evening walk in the park didn't cause one to see a lot of moving shrubbery.

Accessibility to education, art, music, other cultures, faster sources of news, etc.

I mean yeah, there's the bad side to the net, but anyone who doesn't think the Internet has opened a ton of doors isn't being honest.

I have a hearing loss. It hit me in 1996. Email alone has made it possible for me to stay in touch with friends and family where 20 years ago it wouldn't even be nearly as likely.

I agree that this thread is delineated along age lines to some extent. The younger generation has become inured to some of this stuff as nudity and sex have become more open in society. Porn has gone mainstream and yes that's in part due to the Internet making it so accessible to so many people and kids being exposed to it at a younger age than used to be common.

I also agree that saying because two morons were having sex in a public restroom society is declining is silly. As you yourself pointed out, people used to do that stuff back in the good old days too and certainly there's nothing new about "the mile high club" for example.

No I don't think parents should have to worry about their children being exposed to people having sex in the bathroom and yes I agree the people should have been arrested. No I wouldn't have made that arrest, merely looked the other way.

getonbckthr
04-09-2010, 09:46 PM
People have been having sex in public forever. "The Mile HIgh Club" i'm sure isn't just a myth. I'm not saying its right or wrong, and I don't think I could ever do it, but it isn't a big deal and it for sure isn't a sign of the apocolypse.

Daver
04-09-2010, 09:46 PM
Spend any extended time in Europe and you will realize that America really is a country of prudes, and has been for a century.

Frater Perdurabo
04-09-2010, 09:51 PM
Yeah, our culture isn't declining.

Nellie, human nature is prolific. We eat, sleep, breathe air, excrete and have sex. So did the Puritans. Culture isn't declining. We just are moving out of a brief era in which privacy was more possible within our culture. With the spread of technology there's more exposure to what only recently had been relegated behind closed doors in middle and upper class "polite" society. Go to any third world country and this would be happening out in the open, under a tree or in a dark alley. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying it "is."

Slappy
04-09-2010, 10:18 PM
Nellie, human nature is prolific. We eat, sleep, breathe air, excrete and have sex. So did the Puritans. Culture isn't declining. We just are moving out of a brief era in which privacy was more possible within our culture. With the spread of technology there's more exposure to what only recently had been relegated behind closed doors in middle and upper class "polite" society. Go to any third world country and this would be happening out in the open, under a tree or in a dark alley. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying it "is."

Kudos. I didn't want to dive into the fire of a discussion like this on a White Sox forum, but that's what I would have liked to say.

People overreacting to this is so completely neurotic. We're sexual beings, always have been and always will be. If the thought of two people having sex in a bathroom is a huge blow to an adults psyche, I pity that person. On the flip side, if a child happened to be there, they'd either be too young to understand the situation or they would have understood just fine by being exposed to it everyday from friends or TV. Any effort to attach shame to the act of sex or to hide it from a kid who is already aware of it is seriously detrimental to them, I think.

Andy T Clown
04-09-2010, 10:31 PM
just not cool with kids around.

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 10:36 PM
if a child happened to be there, they'd either be too young to understand the situation or they would have understood just fine

Tend to agree, which is why I'm still not what sure to make of the father's reaction as reported by Kass. My younger one definitely wouldn't have understood (though I'd still usher him out as quickly as I could). My older one might understand, and even why a rest room stall is an odd setting.

Re Daver's point: I remember finding myself walking through the English Garden in Munich about twenty years ago, and, prudish American that I am, turning my head away from naked women who had been swimming as they walked past me. They got a good chuckle out of that--as did I when I realized the silliness of the situation.

DSpivack
04-09-2010, 10:40 PM
just not cool with kids around.

Nope, and it's too bad these idiots weren't arrested/ticketed/cited/whatever.

Red Barchetta
04-09-2010, 11:03 PM
People have been having sex in public forever. "The Mile HIgh Club" i'm sure isn't just a myth. I'm not saying its right or wrong, and I don't think I could ever do it, but it isn't a big deal and it for sure isn't a sign of the apocolypse.

I agree. When you consider all the games in professional sports across all the leagues, etc. what is the actual percentage of this happening?! It's only because of the internet that we're actually discussing it.

Bad form from the participants in this "event", however our politically correct society is not doomed as a result...:rolleyes:

Brian26
04-09-2010, 11:12 PM
People overreacting to this is so completely neurotic. We're sexual beings, always have been and always will be. If the thought of two people having sex in a bathroom is a huge blow to an adults psyche, I pity that person. On the flip side, if a child happened to be there, they'd either be too young to understand the situation or they would have understood just fine by being exposed to it everyday from friends or TV. Any effort to attach shame to the act of sex or to hide it from a kid who is already aware of it is seriously detrimental to them, I think.

I enjoy watching you try to rationalize something that is irrational and then spewing your drivel as if it's gospel.

There are few too many things in this world that are sacred and innocent. A child's innocence is a pretty beautiful thing, and as a parent or guardian, it's your right (and perhaps your duty) to protect that for an appropriate amount of time.

Another sacred thing is Opening Day for baseball season.

The dad's just trying to have a nice time and create a nice memory by spending meaningful time with his son on Opening Day. His "psyche" is just fine and where it needs to be.

Trying to attach shame to the father for protecting his child in this situation is comical and pathetic. The "shameful" act was what happened in the bathroom, illustrated by the fact that the girl ran out trying to hide her face under a coat.

Brian26
04-09-2010, 11:14 PM
It's only because of the internet that we're actually discussing it.

What are you talking about? The original story was printed in the newspaper.

Are you saying people couldn't have phoned or written Kass about the incident? Or that people didn't used to talk about stories that were written in the paper? You're wrong on both counts.

DSpivack
04-09-2010, 11:19 PM
I enjoy watching you try to rationalize something that is irrational and then spewing your drivel as if it's gospel.

There are few too many things in this world that are sacred and innocent. A child's innocence is a pretty beautiful thing, and as a parent or guardian, it's your right (and perhaps your duty) to protect that for an appropriate amount of time.

Another sacred thing is Opening Day for baseball season.

The dad's just trying to have a nice time and create a nice memory by spending meaningful time with his son on Opening Day. His "psyche" is just fine and where it needs to be.

Trying to attach shame to the father for protecting his child in this situation is comical and pathetic. The "shameful" act was what happened in the bathroom, illustrated by the fact that the girl ran out trying to hide her face under a coat.

I'm not sure the father made the right decision in kicking the door instead of just leaving the bathroom and informing security, but yeah agree with your overall point.

There is a time to have 'the talk' with your kid and yes, Americans can be overly puritanical on the subject, but this was a six year-old in one of the most public places you could think of.

Red Barchetta
04-09-2010, 11:22 PM
What are you talking about? The original story was printed in the newspaper.

Are you saying people couldn't have phoned or written Kass about the incident? Or that people didn't used to talk about stories that were written in the paper? You're wrong on both counts.

No, but you would have read the story and perhaps discussed it with only a few family or friends. By posting on this site, you can share with thousands of people. That's the difference. I live in Florida and would never have heard about this except for this site.

Their judgement and actions were wrong. However, I don't buy into the "our society is doomed" mentality as a result.

Brian26
04-09-2010, 11:23 PM
I thought Kass addressed that. Father was a doctor and thought someone was in trouble medically. Seems like a plausible story.

Brian26
04-09-2010, 11:31 PM
No, but you would have read the story and perhaps discussed it with only a few family or friends. By posting on this site, you can share with thousands of people. That's the difference. I live in Florida and would never have heard about this except for this site.

Point taken.

Their judgement and actions were wrong. However, I don't buy into the "our society is doomed" mentality as a result.

I'm getting a little too preachy on this, but I think there's quite a bit of moral decay in society. Most of it is centered around the breakdown of the family unit, as we are all (for better or worse) shaped and formed by our relationships with our parents. On a societal level, those relationships have deteriorated over the past couple of generations.

DSpivack
04-09-2010, 11:48 PM
Point taken.

I'm getting a little too preachy on this, but I think there's quite a bit of moral decay in society. Most of it is centered around the breakdown of the family unit, as we are all (for better or worse) shaped and formed by our relationships with our parents. On a societal level, those relationships have deteriorated over the past couple of generations.

But there's that problem again, if there's 'moral decay', just when was the height of morality?

I guess my morality isn't as good, my parents were divorced and I grew up in a one-parent household. :(:

getonbckthr
04-10-2010, 12:05 AM
Point taken.



I'm getting a little too preachy on this, but I think there's quite a bit of moral decay in society. Most of it is centered around the breakdown of the family unit, as we are all (for better or worse) shaped and formed by our relationships with our parents. On a societal level, those relationships have deteriorated over the past couple of generations.
I would agree with you if this was a new phenomenon but this stuff has been going on for generations before.

Lip Man 1
04-10-2010, 12:27 AM
Johnny Mostil:

You are thinking of opening day vs. the Angels in 1974 an afternoon game. Freezing cold, snow flurries...Bill Mercer's first Sox game in the broadcasting booth.

Females were going topless in the upper deck while a guy wearing nothing but a Sox batting helmet jumped out of the stands and ran around the field. It was the streaking craze remember.

Chuck Tanner had one of the greatest lines ever when afterwards he said with tongue planted firmly in cheek, "I wasn't impressed with him."

Oh by the way Ryan beat Wood 8-2.

Lip

DickAllen72
04-10-2010, 01:26 AM
Yeah because people weren't smoking, cussing, or fighting at ballgames in the past. :rolleyes:
The fact that you are equating public sex between what appears to be strangers on a bathroom floor with smoking, cussing and fighting (I'm talking about a scuffle, not a bludgeoning or gang fight) shows that the bar has been lowered.

And yes their have always been low-lifes doing vile things at times in public. But in times past when I was younger the reaction by most was that these things were unacceptable. There was still general disaproval of such behavior in public. Contrast that with the attitude displayed by many today that "it's no big deal, get over it."

Yes, the bar has definitely been lowered on what is deemed as acceptable or what constitutes a "big deal."

Nellie_Fox
04-10-2010, 01:37 AM
I also agree that saying because two morons were having sex in a public restroom society is declining is sillyIf you don't think that our society has become much coarser, much less concerned with propriety and common decency, you haven't been paying any attention. I was responding to a poster who said he would congratulate his friend for having anonymous sex in a public bathroom. Really? Scoring with a skank who would be willing to do that is some sort of accomplishment?

People in nice restaurants drop F bombs in casual conversation with absolutely no concern for those around them, and if you dare to ask them to stop, they go into a rage like you are the one who is violating them. People wear tee shirts with obscenities printed on them, and people think it's clever. People are screwing in the public bathroom, and the reaction of the majority of the posters here is "what's the big deal? Just ignore it."

Having more "stuff" doesn't make a culture better. In fact, it is often the precursor of the decline of the culture. Ask Rome.

It's Dankerific
04-10-2010, 01:44 AM
My dad used to tell me all kinds of stuff going on at Old Comiskey in the 1970s. including.. wait for it.. SEX.

Nothing new, lets not claim that back in the past, anything socially was better. especially when these "rules of society" included being racially prejudiced.

TheOldRoman
04-10-2010, 01:51 AM
People in nice restaurants drop F bombs in casual conversation with absolutely no concern for those around them, and if you dare to ask them to stop, they go into a rage like you are the one who is violating them. People wear tee shirts with obscenities printed on them, and people think it's clever. People are screwing in the public bathroom, and the reaction of the majority of the posters here is "what's the big deal? Just ignore it."I used to work with a degenerate who took offense to her 6 year-old daughter's teacher disciplining her for swearing. 6 years old. And the woman's justification was "I don't want them enforcing their morality on my daughter, telling her what to say. People swear, big deal. I swear around her and I don't care if she swears." Of course, the fact that this 6 year-old was swearing and talking about sex acts to other 6 year-olds whose parents didn't want them to hear that was none of her concern. That school had some nerve.

Nellie_Fox
04-10-2010, 02:15 AM
My dad used to tell me all kinds of stuff going on at Old Comiskey in the 1970s. including.. wait for it.. SEX. I was around then too, and was never aware of anything like that.

Nothing new, lets not claim that back in the past, anything socially was better. especially when these "rules of society" included being racially prejudiced.Oh, I just knew someone would bring this up. Sorry, but being able to point to some things that were not as good does not mean that nothing was better. That just doesn't work. There were a lot of things that were "socially better," even though racial attitudes weren't generally among them. More enlightened racial attitudes doesn't excuse declining moral values any more than the existence of the internet does.

Sam Spade
04-10-2010, 02:19 AM
To me, it depends how attractive the offenders are.

It's Dankerific
04-10-2010, 03:12 AM
I guess I'm a bit shocked that you didnt know what was going on at Comiskey park in the 70s. I know they brought blankets, but geez.

If I have a choice between watching a couple come out of a restroom or seeing folks banned from said restroom, its an EASY choice.

Excuse me if I choose not to lend any weight to the moral supremacy of such a generation.

Johnny Mostil
04-10-2010, 07:26 AM
Johnny Mostil:

You are thinking of opening day vs. the Angels in 1974 an afternoon game. Freezing cold, snow flurries...Bill Mercer's first Sox game in the broadcasting booth.

Females were going topless in the upper deck while a guy wearing nothing but a Sox batting helmet jumped out of the stands and ran around the field. It was the streaking craze remember.

Chuck Tanner had one of the greatest lines ever when afterwards he said with tongue planted firmly in cheek, "I wasn't impressed with him."

Oh by the way Ryan beat Wood 8-2.

Lip

Not sure about that. Are you sure there was only one such incident that year? I thought the incident I saw was at a night game. I'm certain my father would not have taken me out of school for Opening Day (and, given Easter that year was 4/14, Opening Day was 4/5, and Spring Break in those years was always wrapped around Easter, I'm nearly certain Opening Day would have been a school day). But I won't claim an infallible memory about things that happened 36 years ago.

Viva Medias B's
04-10-2010, 09:11 AM
The proper thing to do would be to find the nearest Sox Security person.

doublem23
04-10-2010, 09:14 AM
Oh, I just knew someone would bring this up. Sorry, but being able to point to some things that were not as good does not mean that nothing was better. That just doesn't work. There were a lot of things that were "socially better," even though racial attitudes weren't generally among them. More enlightened racial attitudes doesn't excuse declining moral values any more than the existence of the internet does.

That's just because of where you happened to fall on that side of the divide. For a significant number of the American population, things today are TEN BAJILLION MILLION TRILLION QUADRILLION times better than they ever were.

Frater Perdurabo
04-10-2010, 09:53 AM
I'm not condoning this activity.

I just argue with the notion that somehow society was more moral in the past than it is now.

The only difference is that technology has enabled us to read/see/hear about immorality taking place in faraway places.

If not for the Internet and the Trib web site, only Trib print edition readers would have read the story.

If not for the printing press, only people who actually witnessed the activity would have known about it.

Frater Perdurabo
04-10-2010, 10:13 AM
As for the poll question, my answer depends on the circumstances.

If I was going to the bathroom alone, I'd probably just go about my business, wash my hands and move on.

If I had one of my kids with me, I'd probably try to find another restroom (depending on the level of urgency).

BadBobbyJenks
04-10-2010, 11:39 AM
Spend any extended time in Europe and you will realize that America really is a country of prudes, and has been for a century.

This is so true.

Corlose 15
04-10-2010, 02:15 PM
Coincidentally, I went to a Brewers game last night and one of my buddies went to the bathroom and a couple was doing this.

They were arrested.

white sox bill
04-10-2010, 02:26 PM
Kind of reminds me of a friend who was relieving himself in the back of a remote parking lot on a college campus. The Campus police just happened to drive by and IIRC issued him a ticket for indency exposure. His punch line was the ticket wasn't prosecuted due to "lack of evidence".

To this day, I still don't know if he was kidding...:smile:

SephClone89
04-10-2010, 05:08 PM
The fact that you are equating public sex between what appears to be strangers on a bathroom floor with smoking, cussing and fighting (I'm talking about a scuffle, not a bludgeoning or gang fight) shows that the bar has been lowered.



How? Why is sex so much worse than smoking, cussing or fighting?

hula
04-10-2010, 05:55 PM
He's probably the kid of the people who would bring their blankets to Comiskey back in the 70's. There's a place for everything and having drunken sex in a public bathroom is not it. For those who would choose to use another bathroom or acting as if this isnít really happening just says to the couple in the stall that itís acceptable. In a few more years will this become the norm in the bathrooms there, because everyone turns a blind eye to it? Itís like the out of control drunks in the upper deck, itís become the norm too.

I just wonder how many people would have taken this so lightly had it been 2 guys going down on each other... I'm sure that would not be the case. They'd probably had beaten the crap out of them, but because a fellow compatriot is with a woman, the guy was cheered. Nice boys, real nice.

This is just more evidence to me of how low things have sunk with the Sox organization, and this is coming from a life long fan of nearly 50 years. They turn a blind eye to the hyjinks going on in the upper deck. Worse yet, they confine the fans up there, not allowing them into the rest of the park and then turn away when it gets too crazy. Iíve seen it happen again and again.

I wonder, is confining the people to the upper deck to keep a more acceptable image to the rest of the fans so they donít have to see how obnoxious people up there are allowed to get? Forget it, we all know what happens up there so if youíre reading this Jerry, youíre not fooling any of us.

Ah, but the management has a brilliant solution - get crazy off duty cops to deal with it that beat the crap out of fans that are out of line. That just adds to the wonderful atmosphere up there, doesnít it? The average family cannot afford anything but the upper deck and itís irresponsible that the management has ignored this behavior as long as it has. Itís deplorable.

I donít care whatís said about the 70ís Ė we never saw stuff like this happening on a regular basis like it is now. It was not tolerated! The fact that it is now is disgusting.

DSpivack
04-10-2010, 06:00 PM
He's probably the kid of the people who would bring their blankets to Comiskey back in the 70's. There's a place for everything and having drunken sex in a public bathroom is not it. For those who would choose to use another bathroom or acting as if this isnít really happening just says to the couple in the stall that itís acceptable. In a few more years will this become the norm in the bathrooms there, because everyone turns a blind eye to it? Itís like the out of control drunks in the upper deck, itís become the norm too.

That's not what I was suggesting. I'm saying you see any kind of out of line behavior, you're much better off leaving the area and reporting it to the authorities in charge instead of trying to take matters into your own hands.

hula
04-10-2010, 06:03 PM
That's not what I was suggesting. I'm saying you see any kind of out of line behavior, you're much better off leaving the area and reporting it to the authorities in charge instead of trying to take matters into your own hands.

But yet according to the poll, over 37% of those who took it said they'd pretend that it wasn't happening......

DSpivack
04-10-2010, 06:04 PM
But yet according to the poll, over 37% of those who took it said they'd pretend that it wasn't happening......

I can only speak for myself...

hula
04-10-2010, 06:05 PM
That's not what I was suggesting. I'm saying you see any kind of out of line behavior, you're much better off leaving the area and reporting it to the authorities in charge instead of trying to take matters into your own hands.

I can only speak for myself...

I understand that. Point taken. I would have gotten security too, after I kicked them in the ass first.....

I'm really bothered by the guys who cheered for him when he came out of the stall. Seems to me this whole situation could have gotten so much uglier.....like an attempt at a gang rape.

Wow, I wonder how those guys who cheered him will feel about this situation when they have a daughter someday. I really wonder.....

SephClone89
04-10-2010, 06:26 PM
I'm really bothered by the guys who cheered for him when he came out of the stall. Seems to me this whole situation could have gotten so much uglier.....like an attempt at a gang rape.


:rolleyes:

hula
04-10-2010, 06:28 PM
:rolleyes:

Please tell me you're not rolling your eyes.........

SephClone89
04-10-2010, 06:31 PM
Please tell me you're not rolling your eyes.........

Is there something else that smiley signifies?

hula
04-10-2010, 06:34 PM
Is there something else that smiley signifies?
:poke::poke::poke:

rdwj
04-10-2010, 06:39 PM
:rolleyes:

Right with you

DSpivack
04-10-2010, 06:40 PM
Please tell me you're not rolling your eyes.........

I guess you have a very low opinion of your fellow Sox fans...

Konerko05
04-11-2010, 06:21 AM
I'm glad someone has finally told my story.

"High fives WSI*

soxfan43
04-11-2010, 11:13 AM
The one part of this story that still bothers me is how the hell all the people in line allowed a couple to go into a stall. I was sitting in RF on Opening Day and every single mens bathroom line was out the door on the main concourse. I can't believe that all the people in line would have let this happen without causing a ruckus.

kevingrt
04-11-2010, 12:07 PM
The one part of this story that still bothers me is how the hell all the people in line allowed a couple to go into a stall. I was sitting in RF on Opening Day and every single mens bathroom line was out the door on the main concourse. I can't believe that all the people in line would have let this happen without causing a ruckus.

Same here. Easily the most confusing part of the story. If I saw anyone let alone a couple sneak past me in line I woulda been pissed. Who cares what they were going to do they cut me and now I have to wait in line an extra five minutes.

TheVulture
04-12-2010, 01:28 AM
So let me get this straight: you can't call Jon 'Judy' but 'skank' is perfectly acceptable, non-sexist terminology?

Nellie_Fox
04-12-2010, 01:44 AM
So let me get this straight: you can't call Jon 'Judy' but 'skank' is perfectly acceptable, non-sexist terminology?Calling a ballplayer by a female name as an insult is saying that being female is inferior, and insults over half the population.

Calling someone who has sex in the stall of a crowded public bathroom a skank is saying that someone who has sex in the stall of a crowded public bathroom is inferior, and insults an infinitesimally small percentage of the population.

See the difference?

BainesHOF
04-12-2010, 02:06 AM
There's a ton of scumbags who show up to the park. Having sex in the bathroom behind a closed door isn't the biggest offense, in my opinion.

These days, just about every game I go to finds all kinds of people around me getting drunk, swearing up a storm and saying racial garbage. I used to have season tickets in the bleachers and this was pretty much the norm. On Wednesday, I had great seats in a section behind the visitors dugout. The section was half empty, but there were still clowns all around us. Two rows behind me, a kid 8 or 9 matter-of-factly threw out F-bombs all game with his normal-looking dad sitting next to him.

Personally, I don't mind swearing, and I think people often overreact to it, but I try to watch my mouth in public because I know a lot of other people don't like it. And only an idiot swears up a storm around kids. The racial garbage is ridiculous, but it's a virtual guarantee you'll hear it if the other team fields a Japanese or Korean player.

TheVulture
04-12-2010, 02:08 AM
Calling a ballplayer by a female name as an insult is saying that being female is inferior, and insults over half the population.

Calling someone who has sex in the stall of a crowded public bathroom a skank is saying that someone who has sex in the stall of a crowded public bathroom is inferior, and insults an infinitesimally small percentage of the population.

See the difference?

Yeah, one of the two is a gender based term of derision.

TheVulture
04-12-2010, 02:19 AM
...and the other is a reference to a actress who could really sing and liked to click her heels. I wouldn't say throwing a 90 MPH fastball makes someone superior to a great singer, but that's just me.

Nellie_Fox
04-12-2010, 02:47 AM
...and the other is a reference to a actress who could really sing and liked to click her heels. I wouldn't say throwing a 90 MPH fastball makes someone superior to a great singer, but that's just me.Yeah, that's what it was, a tribute to Judy Garland, not a suggestion that Jon was inadequate. :rolleyes: I'm sure you really believe that.

guillensdisciple
04-12-2010, 04:10 AM
While I would applaud the man for doing it, I would also tell him to go get a room after it. The game only lasts a couple of hours, if you want to, go after or before the game.

It's not like the scenarios change, unless you have a list of places you need to do it in. In which case, perhaps one filled with 40000 people is not the best place to do it in. That's just me though.

DSpivack
04-12-2010, 11:54 AM
There's a ton of scumbags who show up to the park. Having sex in the bathroom behind a closed door isn't the biggest offense, in my opinion.

These days, just about every game I go to finds all kinds of people around me getting drunk, swearing up a storm and saying racial garbage. I used to have season tickets in the bleachers and this was pretty much the norm. On Wednesday, I had great seats in a section behind the visitors dugout. The section was half empty, but there were still clowns all around us. Two rows behind me, a kid 8 or 9 matter-of-factly threw out F-bombs all game with his normal-looking dad sitting next to him.

Personally, I don't mind swearing, and I think people often overreact to it, but I try to watch my mouth in public because I know a lot of other people don't like it. And only an idiot swears up a storm around kids. The racial garbage is ridiculous, but it's a virtual guarantee you'll hear it if the other team fields a Japanese or Korean player.

A few guys a couple rows behind were spewing some of that garbage yesterday [although there weren't any Japanese or Korean players on either team], and sitting directly in front of me were three asian Sox fans, and I know they could hear them. It was a bit awkward.

g0g0
04-12-2010, 12:08 PM
I remember my first White Sox game in the early 1980's. My step-mother got beer spilled all over her by a bunch of drunk guys behind us. Ah good times!

GoGoCrede
04-12-2010, 12:12 PM
A few guys a couple rows behind were spewing some of that garbage yesterday [although there weren't any Japanese or Korean players on either team], and sitting directly in front of me were three asian Sox fans, and I know they could hear them. It was a bit awkward.

That's awful. I remember in early 2008 we were playing the A's, and some A's fans were sitting nearby. A few drunk douchebags kept calling the A's players homophobic names - it was pissing off everyone in the section, even Sox fans. Finally, my friend and I moved, and so did the A's fans, who sounded really angry. How embarrassing.

FoulTerritory
04-12-2010, 12:29 PM
It is my opinion that this act is both a) unacceptable, and b) not a sign of moral apocalypse.

When I think of current social deterioration, I don't think of the occasional morons that have inappropriate public sex, as I'm sure this has incrementally gone on throughout the ages. Rather, I think of things like the narcissism and devaluing of public-privacy represented by facebook and twitter addiction.

I teach college writing in computer equipped classrooms, and my students seemingly cannot a) stay off of facebook during class unless constantly monitored, nor can they b) keep from texting . . . despite penalties to their grade for these things.

My point is that if you want to argue areas social degeneration, there are pervasive examples that are unique to the current era.

I don't think public sexcapades is very unique to this time-period at all.

WizardsofOzzie
04-12-2010, 12:38 PM
:rolleyes:

Right with you

x3

TheVulture
04-12-2010, 09:48 PM
Yeah, that's what it was, a tribute to Judy Garland, not a suggestion that Jon was inadequate. :rolleyes: I'm sure you really believe that.
Well, she sure could sing, but I doubt she could pitch very well. I think the average person would probably rank Judy a little higher in greatness despite her utter lack of velocity and command.

Bucky F. Dent
04-12-2010, 11:44 PM
Painfully slow newsday for Mr. Kass.

Domeshot17
04-12-2010, 11:55 PM
Yeah, that's what it was, a tribute to Judy Garland, not a suggestion that Jon was inadequate. :rolleyes: I'm sure you really believe that.

I get it, and I am not fighting the rule ( I like the rule honestly ) but don't you think calling Judy "Jon" is more of an insult :D:. One was the leading lady in MAYBE the biggest movie of all time, the other is a league average pitcher who will be nothing more than distant memory in 10 years.

GoGoCrede
04-12-2010, 11:56 PM
I get it, and I am not fighting the rule ( I like the rule honestly ) but don't you think calling Judy "Jon" is more of an insult :D:. One was the leading lady in MAYBE the biggest movie of all time, the other is a league average pitcher who will be nothing more than distant memory in 10 years.

That's funny...I don't remember her having a part in Casablanca... :redneck

DSpivack
04-13-2010, 12:01 AM
That's funny...I don't remember her having a part in Casablanca... :redneck

No teal needed, adjust revenue to inflation and it's still likely #1 of all time.

Though I went to college in Atlanta and worked around the corner from the Margaret Mitchell House, I have never seen the movie nor read the book.

PennStater98r
04-13-2010, 06:30 PM
Glad to know that upperdeck riff raff is where they belong! That type of thing never goes on in the lower level.

OldRomanPizza
04-13-2010, 06:40 PM
I blame the Bucket Lists.

NardiWasHere
04-13-2010, 08:16 PM
WSI, I'm disappointed.

Four days and ten pages worth of discussion on sex in bathrooms and no one made a reference to this guy?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/peter_king/02/10/mailbag/big-ben.jpg

Slappy
04-13-2010, 09:53 PM
I blame the Bucket Lists.


I blame that movie for a lot of stuff, too.

SBSoxFan
04-14-2010, 02:11 AM
"Say do you remember the Dodgers and the Mets? 50,000 people saw us and turned red."

A big :gulp:to the first person who can name the song and group who sang it. :smile:

gobears1987
04-15-2010, 01:52 AM
Damnit John!!! You promised me you wouldn't write about this. :redface:

DumpJerry
04-15-2010, 08:30 AM
"Say do you remember the Dodgers and the Mets? 50,000 people saw us and turned red."

A big :gulp:to the first person who can name the song and group who sang it. :smile:
Sparks
"All you Ever Think about is Sex"

Ever hear of Google?:tongue:

jdm2662
04-15-2010, 12:43 PM
I get it, and I am not fighting the rule ( I like the rule honestly ) but don't you think calling Judy "Jon" is more of an insult :D:. One was the leading lady in MAYBE the biggest movie of all time, the other is a league average pitcher who will be nothing more than distant memory in 10 years.

Personally, I never cared for Judy Garland. I think she's annoying as hell. I just wish the world would recongize the real star of the movie. That would be Toto of course. :D:

NardiWasHere
04-15-2010, 01:08 PM
Personally, I never cared for Judy Garland. I think she's annoying as hell. I just wish the world would recongize the real star of the movie. That would be Toto of course. :D:

Unfortunately, the real star of the movie never made it to the final cut of the film.

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Nellie_Fox
04-15-2010, 02:31 PM
Personally, I never cared for Judy Garland. I think she's annoying as hell. I just wish the world would recongize the real star of the movie. That would be Toto of course. :D:Cairn Terriers are great little dogs.

TheOldRoman
04-15-2010, 02:34 PM
Cairn Terriers are great little dogs.Yep, the inlaws have a cairn. She is a crazy little thing with a lot of personality. For anybody who doesn't know Cairns, they would NOT take well to being carried around in a basket.

SBSoxFan
04-18-2010, 02:39 AM
Sparks
"All you Ever Think about is Sex"

Ever hear of Google?:tongue:

Cheater!

Here's to you :gulp:

Frontman
04-18-2010, 07:59 AM
WSI, I'm disappointed.

Four days and ten pages worth of discussion on sex in bathrooms and no one made a reference to this guy?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/peter_king/02/10/mailbag/big-ben.jpg

Because; quite frankly, it disgusts most of us. This guy is going to get away with committing a felony because the victim (which its her choice) is choosing not to have her entire life destroyed by the media after being a victim.

It speaks volumes to me that the cop who interviewed her resigned as soon as the DA said charges wouldn't be filed. The whole situation is downright vile.