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HarryChappas
04-08-2010, 11:07 PM
Why do we waste the best hitter on the club to bunt? What happened to Ozzie sending Pierre to steal? GB should bat 3rd!

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:10 PM
Bunting twice with Beckham?

No thanks.

Blueprint1
04-08-2010, 11:10 PM
Same as last year.

KnightSox
04-08-2010, 11:11 PM
That ****ing sucked plain and simple.

thomas35forever
04-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Even Hawk said the offense needs to get its **** together. Like I've said before, this big rotation is going to mean nothing if no one can deliver the clutch hit.

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Pitching was not the problem this series, the hitting was. Especially last night's.I better not see this kind of crap this weekend when I go.

Ugly, ugly game. Huge letdown after Monday.

soltrain21
04-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Terrible, awful, ****ty game.

munchman33
04-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Where's the offense?

Baron
04-08-2010, 11:11 PM
This is going to be a very long year......Teahen looks like garbage....this rotating DH is exactly as we feared terrible

BleacherBandit
04-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Good starting pitching and overextension of the bullpen due to offensive negligence.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Well that sucked.

Meet the new Sox, same as the old Sox.

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:12 PM
Gavin allowed two runs. That should have been enough.

MarkZ35
04-08-2010, 11:12 PM
Brutal. No need to over react though, it's early.

WhiteSox5187
04-08-2010, 11:12 PM
This might be a long ****ing season.

DirtySox
04-08-2010, 11:12 PM
Pathetic showing, but hey at least we aren't clogging the bases with hits and stuff.

Boondock Saint
04-08-2010, 11:12 PM
Really pathetic. Can't wait to see how we do against teams that don't suck.

Scuzzy19
04-08-2010, 11:12 PM
I cant believe I sat through all 11 innings :( bases loaded opportunity and nothing to show for it :(

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:12 PM
And Teahen you are not throwing anyone out there, let it roll foul. Thanks.

soxfan21
04-08-2010, 11:13 PM
Well these last two games have sucked, too many guys left on, I rely hope that this is not a preview of things to come this season, and that opening day was just a teaser.

Soxman219
04-08-2010, 11:13 PM
SAME AS LAST YEAR.

5th year in a row we lost the first series of the year

KRS1
04-08-2010, 11:13 PM
Ozzie, you play in the American league, cut the **** and admit you need an actual DH in the middle of the order. It's a damn shame.

WhiteSox5187
04-08-2010, 11:13 PM
Why do we waste the best hitter on the club to bunt? What happened to Ozzie sending Pierre to steal? GB should bat 3rd!

It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to bunt a guy over to second. If Pierre had stolen second and then Beckham bunted, fine. But, ugh...

JB98
04-08-2010, 11:13 PM
In 28 offensive innings against the elite Cleveland pitching staff, the Sox collected 14 hits. They had 3 hits with RISP this whole series.

So, on average, they got a hit every other inning. They got a hit with RISP once per game.

It's hard not to be cynical about this offense.

Blueprint1
04-08-2010, 11:14 PM
Sorry but the it's early **** is not going to work for me this year. It was early all year last year.

DSpivack
04-08-2010, 11:14 PM
:darkclouds:

"Dark clouds gather"

No more Corpseball smilie?

Patrick134
04-08-2010, 11:14 PM
Really pathetic. Can't wait to see how we do against teams that don't suck.


The Tribe were 19-9 in ST. I'm not saying they became world beaters by any means, and it was only ST, but still.

Baron
04-08-2010, 11:14 PM
Ozzie, you play in the American league, cut the **** and admit you need an actual DH in the middle of the order. It's a damn shame.

We need someone that isnt washed up old garbage or just plain garbage playing there

BleacherBandit
04-08-2010, 11:14 PM
Playing in the American League affords you the convenience of something known as a DESIGNATED HITTER. GET ONE.

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:14 PM
We have Juan Pierre leading off. What is the point of Juan Pierre if you are not going to let him steal? Horrible.

Patrick134
04-08-2010, 11:15 PM
Sorry but the it's early **** is not going to work for me this year. It was early all year last year.

True, but 3 games is nothing. You could be 3-0 and headed to a horrible season, or 0-3 and on the way to a great season.

TheOldRoman
04-08-2010, 11:15 PM
The decision to bunt Beckham was horrible both times, but that isn't the reason the Sox lost. They lost because the offense went 19 innings against two horrible starters and several bad to awful relievers and managed 8 hits. Hopefully they come out of this soon.

thomas35forever
04-08-2010, 11:15 PM
I love this time of year. The dark clouds get to piss and moan about everything that goes wrong. Nights like this are a field day for them.

bacon
04-08-2010, 11:15 PM
lose 2 of 3 to cleveland, at home. pathetic..

rainbow6
04-08-2010, 11:15 PM
Watching Rios hit makes me feel Brian Anderson is still here...

If my math is right, Rios/Teahan/Jones and Kotsay are 1 for 25.

Jesus.

GlassSox
04-08-2010, 11:15 PM
Well it's hard to believe that with the quality of the opening game that we could play this bad for the next two. I guess it was too cold for the Sox to play in Chicago in April. (Oh damn I guess I forgot that we are at home.) :angry:

Danielgosox38
04-08-2010, 11:15 PM
Gavin did his job fine. I blame this on the ****ty offense. We knew going into the season that this offense would be questionable. I guess Ozzie didn't.

Tragg
04-08-2010, 11:15 PM
Guillen's mismangement of the 9th inning was absolutely hideous. With the leadoff runner on he takes the bat OUT of the hands of the 2 best hitters AND orders an intentional out. Anyone who made the effort to think one move in advance would see that.
Ozzie didn't bother. He's wed to bunting. (his bunt in the 7th was hideous as well).
INEXCUSABLE What an anchor.
Note that the Tribe bunted the 8 hole hitter.

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:16 PM
I love this time of year. The dark clouds get to piss and moan about everything that goes wrong. Nights like this are a field day for them.

I've never considered myself a dark cloud, and I still think they can win the division, but there were not many positives in this game. Of course people are annoyed. They're sleepy!

Boondock Saint
04-08-2010, 11:16 PM
True, but 3 games is nothing. You could be 3-0 and headed to a horrible season, or 0-3 and on the way to a great season.

These were not the kind of "hard luck losses" you can put a positive spin on. They were hot garbage.

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:17 PM
But at least Alex Rios doesn't pose with coffee cups.

HarryChappas
04-08-2010, 11:17 PM
Ozzie watch is on......

mcfish
04-08-2010, 11:17 PM
Pitching was not the problem this series, the hitting was. Especially last night's.I better not see this kind of crap this weekend when I go.

Ugly, ugly game. Huge letdown after Monday.You think they're going to be making some roster moves before this weekend?

Baron
04-08-2010, 11:18 PM
You think they're going to be making some roster moves before this weekend?


Hopefully begging Jermaine Dye to come and DH

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:18 PM
You think they're going to be making some roster moves before this weekend?

Maybe lineup changes. Something. Danks usually does well against the Twins, so there's that.

Blueprint1
04-08-2010, 11:18 PM
I've never considered myself a dark cloud, and I still think they can win the division, but there were not many positives in this game. Of course people are annoyed. They're sleepy!

It's easy to ignore real issues this team has by calling everyone a dark cloud.

thomas35forever
04-08-2010, 11:18 PM
You think they're going to be making some roster moves before this weekend?
Given the mentality of the organization, do you really think they're going to do that the first week of the season?

Tragg
04-08-2010, 11:18 PM
Why do we waste the best hitter on the club to bunt? What happened to Ozzie sending Pierre to steal? GB should bat 3rd!
Because he can bunt.
And to Ozzie Guillen, a bunt is as good as hit. Move those runners up, Ozzie style!

Hendu
04-08-2010, 11:18 PM
Bunting twice with Beckham?

No thanks.

Yeah what the hell. What happened to being aggressive on the basepaths? Makes no sense to give up a couple outs to advance Pierre when one of the things he does really well is to swipe bases.

I hope things start to come together with the offense soon. The bottom of the line-up can't be this bad...sometime this season we are going to string some hits together, and someone is going to come through with 2 outs. Right?

The past couple of games have been frustrating.

guillensdisciple
04-08-2010, 11:18 PM
Indians score 4 runs with 2 outs. Either our pitching has no guts or the hitters are doing their job.

Our hitting has shown me nothing to hope for other than game one. If people use the cold excuse, then people might as well give up hope because the White Sox WILL play in this weather again. If they suck because of the weather, then they are useless baseball players.

No hitting- Teahen has shown me nothing as a baseball player (defensively and offensively), Alexei's slow starts are getting irritating, Rios did nothing, Andruw was okay, Quentin was good, Beckham was good, and Pierre showed signs of coming back to life.

Pitching is solid. We should have won this game, but Thornton got unlucky when Paulie couldn't handle that ball at first.

Don't forget what they say about Championship teams- things go right for them. The White Sox have had none of that so far, so that means things will have to start gelling or we might be in for a rough one.

No reason to jump the bridge just yet, but there is TREMENDOUS reason for concern. I am sick of the cold weather excuses, I am sick of excusing this offense. Rios HAS to get back to his potential, Alexei HAS to man up and hit like he's supposed to, and Teahen HAS to become a respectable baseball player.

They say Ozzie needs to get used to this squad- **** that ****. You have had TWO months to get used to this ballclub. No more excuses, play baseball right away. Don't dig yourself into holes. ****ing annoying baseball, reminds me so much of last year.

Ozzie laying it on thick to the hitters, saying bullpen did really well. Good job Oz. Tell those guys to get some nuts.

PeoriaSoxFan
04-08-2010, 11:18 PM
In 28 offensive innings against the elite Cleveland pitching staff, the Sox collected 14 hits. They had 3 hits with RISP this whole series.

So, on average, they got a hit every other inning. They got a hit with RISP once per game.

It's hard not to be cynical about this offense.

Plus, 12ks tonite and not a lot of hard hit balls other than foul. The lineup featured 1 hitter batting over .250 and 4 batting .100 or below.

BleacherBandit
04-08-2010, 11:18 PM
NOTE:

"Dark Clouds" like me aren't mad that the Sox are 1-2. Who cares about the record on April 8. It's just the execution that doesn't excite me. Stuff like that doesn't necessarily change throughout the duration of the season.

Patrick134
04-08-2010, 11:19 PM
These were not the kind of "hard luck losses" you can put a positive spin on. They were hot garbage.

True and the '05 Sox played like hot garbage for most of August. So to whine after 3 games, only 2 of which were bad, is insane.

Rdy2PlayBall
04-08-2010, 11:19 PM
Remember that great start the 2009 Yankees had? Good thing we already know our season is over. Gotta love baseball.

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:20 PM
Remember that great start the 2009 Yankees had? Good thing we already know our season is over. Gotta love baseball.

That has nothing to do with this.

guillensdisciple
04-08-2010, 11:20 PM
You know you have problems when in the third game Ozzie is already saying that changes will happen if this crap continues.

Teams in trouble folks, teams in trouble.

Taliesinrk
04-08-2010, 11:20 PM
Is it too late to ask for Getz back?

DSpivack
04-08-2010, 11:20 PM
NOTE:

"Dark Clouds" like me aren't mad that the Sox are 1-2. Who cares about the record on April 8. It's just the execution that doesn't excite me. Stuff like that doesn't necessarily change throughout the duration of the season.

Nothing wrong with being a dark cloud now, it's raining!

Jurr
04-08-2010, 11:20 PM
Well, we know one thing. This isn't an offense built for cold weather. Should've drafted bigger linemen.
All kidding aside, I hope the warm weather Sox we saw in the opener is closer to reality than the cold weather garbage we saw the last two nights.

I am not too worried about the lineup, though Teahen has me thinking about Macdougal and Sisco. Eek!!

kevingrt
04-08-2010, 11:21 PM
That game was disgusting just like Wednesday night's game. Is there anything positive to say? Jenks and Santos pitched well besides that pure ugliness.

That being said it's only game three but still semi worrisome.

HarryChappas
04-08-2010, 11:21 PM
Because he can bunt.
And to Ozzie Guillen, a bunt is as good as hit. Move those runners up, Ozzie style!

He could also lead the league in doubles. Don't take the bat out of the best players hands!

Baron
04-08-2010, 11:21 PM
Remember that great start the 2009 Yankees had? Good thing we already know our season is over. Gotta love baseball.

When did we get a Matsui Damon or Teixeira?

kevingrt
04-08-2010, 11:21 PM
Agree. Me no likely Beckham second. But who should bat second is the question?

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:21 PM
That game was disgusting just like Wednesday night's game. Is there anything positive to say? Jenks and Santos pitched well besides that pure ugliness.

That being said it's only game three but still semi worrisome.

It is just as disgusting as the Canucks not starting Luongo! ***!

Boondock Saint
04-08-2010, 11:22 PM
True and the '05 Sox played like hot garbage for most of August. So to whine after 3 games, only 2 of which were bad, is insane.

The 2005 White Sox were the best team in baseball for three months. To make that kind of comparison is insane.

mcfish
04-08-2010, 11:22 PM
Given the mentality of the organization, do you really think they're going to do that the first week of the season?Teal is too much work. Of course they're not going to be making any roster moves tomorrow.

TDog
04-08-2010, 11:22 PM
Bunting twice with Beckham?

No thanks.

If he's the No. 2 hitter behind Pierre, he is going to be called upon to bunt. That is one of the big reasons why I have argued that Beckham shouldn't be hitting No. 2.

And, really, if Rios does his job and gets home a runner from third with one out instead of striking out, the Sox win tonight, even with Thornton up a run from the bullpen.

On opening day, the Sox twice had a runner on third and less than two outs. Twice Kotsay brought him home. People here complained about the way he did it. Nobody did it any better tonight. They didn't do it at all.

HarryChappas
04-08-2010, 11:22 PM
Bat AJ second if who need to

DSpivack
04-08-2010, 11:23 PM
Agree. Me no likely Beckham second. But who should bat second is the question?

Kotsay?

sox1970
04-08-2010, 11:23 PM
Agree. Me no likely Beckham second. But who should bat second is the question?

I don't mind him batting second, but Ozzie should never EVER have him bunt.

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:23 PM
Batting Teahen 2nd would give him something useful to do and break up all those lefties in the back of the order. BRILLIANT!

thomas35forever
04-08-2010, 11:23 PM
Teal is too much work. Of course they're not going to be making any roster moves tomorrow.
I was serious with that post. There's a lot of patience with this team.

Hendu
04-08-2010, 11:23 PM
When did we get a Matsui Damon or Teixeira?

Or have our $30 million player on the DL for the first month of the season?

Patrick134
04-08-2010, 11:23 PM
The 2005 White Sox were the best team in baseball for three months. To make that kind of comparison is insane.

Because it's just been 3 games, thus proving my point. No need to whine yet.

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:24 PM
If he's the No. 2 hitter behind Pierre, he is going to be called upon to bunt. That is one of the big reasons why I have argued that Beckham shouldn't be hitting No. 2.

And, really, if Rios does his job and gets home a runner from third with one out instead of striking out, the Sox win tonight, even with Thornton up a run from the bullpen.

On opening day, the Sox twice had a runner on third and less than two outs. Twice Kotsay brought him home. People here complained about the way he did it. Nobody did it any better tonight. They didn't do it at all.

So you are now arguing for bunting? When did you change your stance?

thomas35forever
04-08-2010, 11:24 PM
Because it's just been 3 games, thus proving my point. No need to whine yet.
I can't believe you haven't figured out yet that it's never to early to whine when you're a Sox fan.

Blueprint1
04-08-2010, 11:24 PM
If he's the No. 2 hitter behind Pierre, he is going to be called upon to bunt. That is one of the big reasons why I have argued that Beckham shouldn't be hitting No. 2.

And, really, if Rios does his job and gets home a runner from third with one out instead of striking out, the Sox win tonight, even with Thornton up a run from the bullpen.

On opening day, the Sox twice had a runner on third and less than two outs. Twice Kotsay brought him home. People here complained about the way he did it. Nobody did it any better tonight. They didn't do it at all.

Funny everyone is saying this but there is a reason he is not on the Bluejays anymore.

102605
04-08-2010, 11:24 PM
Alexei looks dreadful at the plate. Teahen looks worse.

Why not give Vizquel an AB that last inning instead of Alexei??

Tragg
04-08-2010, 11:25 PM
If he's the No. 2 hitter behind Pierre, he is going to be called upon to bunt. That is one of the big reasons why I have argued that Beckham shouldn't be hitting No. 2.


You shouldn't bunt your 2 hole hitter except in rare cases such as runner on 2nd no outs and 1 run wins the game.

Guillen's love of giving away outs costs this team. Guillen is limiting runners on board in front of his best power hitter Quentin. look at the 7th; we might have won the game then, had Guillen not ordered Beckham to make an intentional out in front of Quentin. It's inane.

Rdy2PlayBall
04-08-2010, 11:25 PM
When did we get a Matsui Damon or Teixeira?I totally missed where I said we did.

thomas35forever
04-08-2010, 11:26 PM
You shouldn't bunt your 2 hole hitter except in rare cases such as runner on 2nd no outs and 1 run wins the game.

Guillen's love of giving away outs costs this team.
I always thought bunting was one of the things a 2 hitter was supposed to be able to do in order to move the runner over. Did I miss a memo or something?:scratch:

Soxman219
04-08-2010, 11:26 PM
Watch this happen, the pitchers will pitch well for the first half of the season, then when the offense finally comes around later in the season, the pitching will suck. Rinse and repeat. Blowing chances like this come back to haunt you later.

TDog
04-08-2010, 11:26 PM
Good starting pitching and overextension of the bullpen due to offensive negligence.

When you have Thornton starting the eighth inning ith the lead, your bullpen wasn't overextended and your offense wasn't the only problem.

Boondock Saint
04-08-2010, 11:26 PM
Alexei looks dreadful at the plate. Teahen looks worse.

Why not give Vizquel an AB that last inning instead of Alexei??

Teahen is taking walks. Alexei has been on base once this season.

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:26 PM
I totally missed where I said we did.

You compared us to the 2009 Yankees, which was a broad enough comparison for him to post that.

guillensdisciple
04-08-2010, 11:26 PM
Funny everyone is saying this but there is a reason he is not on the Bluejays anymore.


I still think he will be a good hitter. Pitchers did not figure him out after 4 or 5 years. That should not happen.

october23sp
04-08-2010, 11:27 PM
I totally missed where I said we did.

You can't compare the 2009 Yankees to the 2010 White Sox. They had a loaded all star lineup that was bound to come around. We have Teahen.

mcfish
04-08-2010, 11:27 PM
I was serious with that post. There's a lot of patience with this team.I was referring to myself as being too lazy to use teal, not your post.

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:27 PM
I always thought bunting was one of the things a 2 hitter was supposed to be able to do in order to move the runner over. Did I miss a memo or something?:scratch:

Telling one of your best hitters to intentionally make an out is stupid almost always.

Patrick134
04-08-2010, 11:28 PM
When you have Thornton starting the eighth inning ith the lead, your bullpen wasn't overextended and your offense wasn't the only problem.


Thornton shouldn't pitch every game, but with Mauer and Morneau headed in, I don't see much rest for his weekend.

HarryChappas
04-08-2010, 11:29 PM
Bat AJ second. Ozzie is going to waste this great pitching. If we had Tony L. we would win this division by 10 games.

Tragg
04-08-2010, 11:29 PM
I always thought bunting was one of the things a 2 hitter was supposed to be able to do in order to move the runner over. Did I miss a memo or something?:scratch:

Yes.

Both bunts tonight were insane. The first gave away an out when we only had 9 left AND ensured that 1 less runner would be on base for Quentin.

the 2nd ensured that the 2 best hitters on the team wouldn't hit with the winning run on with no outs in the 9th. (and made it one out)

Why in the world would you want to make intentional outs in front of Quentin and take the bat out of Beckham's hand? Thanks to Ozzie, Konerko and JOnes batted instead of Beckham and Quentin and Konerko.....that is, he traded Quentin and Beckham for Andruw JOnes and one extra base. Ozzie's butchery? of the 9th can't be overstated.

Bunt your 8 hole hitter, not your 2 hole hitter. If you must bunt.

BleacherBandit
04-08-2010, 11:29 PM
When you have Thornton starting the eighth inning ith the lead, your bullpen wasn't overextended and your offense wasn't the only problem.

True, but Putz should not have had to pitch in more than one inning.

DSpivack
04-08-2010, 11:30 PM
Bat AJ second. Ozzie is going to waste this great pitching. If we had Tony L. we would win this division by 10 games.

:rolleyes:

Why, because we'd have roid users knocking out homers? Ozzie can't force these guys to hit.

guillensdisciple
04-08-2010, 11:30 PM
And MAN do the Twins look good. Maybe the Angels suck, but they are making a good team look ****ty at home.

Slappy
04-08-2010, 11:31 PM
Damn that one really reminded me of last year. Another offensive let-down.

We need Alexei really bad, and he continues to buckle under pressure even at the 9 spot. Where did that fire he had from 2008 go? The grand-slam machine, the Cuban Missile?

I could go on and on, but it's 3 games.

Bah.

Edit: How bout Santos?! That made me happy. Hopefully he's got a bright future.

thomas35forever
04-08-2010, 11:31 PM
Yes.

Both bunts tonight were insane. The first gave away an out when we only had 9 left AND ensured that 1 less runner would be on base for Quentin.

the 2nd ensured that the 2 best hitters on the team wouldn't hit with the winning run on with no outs in the 9th.

Why in the world would you want to make intentional outs in front of Quentin and take the bat out of Beckham's hand? Thanks to Ozzie, Konerko and JOnes batted instead of Beckham and Quentin.

Bunt your 8 hole hitter, not your 2 hole hitter. If you must bunt.
Did it occur to you that Ozzie may not want his hitters to hit into a DP with their fastest runner on base?

october23sp
04-08-2010, 11:32 PM
And MAN do the Twins look good. Maybe the Angels suck, but they are making a good team look ****ty at home.

Yeah, I'm afraid of 20 getting put on us on saturday...

Baron
04-08-2010, 11:32 PM
And MAN do the Twins look good. Maybe the Angels suck, but they are making a good team look ****ty at home.

That should be fun......Im expecting 2 hits out of this team....but maybe Im being a little unrealistic

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:32 PM
Did it occur to you that Ozzie may not want his hitters to hit into a DP with their fastest runner on base?

Lol.

Then have Pierre steal or hit and run.

sox1970
04-08-2010, 11:32 PM
At least Thome's first homer as a Twin won't be against us. He just hit a 3-run jack.

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:33 PM
A positive from tonight:

Sergio Santos looked nasty!

guillensdisciple
04-08-2010, 11:33 PM
Yeah, I'm afraid of 20 getting put on us on saturday...


Must I be reminded of this? :o:

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:33 PM
So, what's Dye been up to? Anyone have his number? *duck*

areilly
04-08-2010, 11:33 PM
Watch this happen, the pitchers will pitch well for the first half of the season, then when the offense finally comes around later in the season, the pitching will suck. Rinse and repeat. Blowing chances like this come back to haunt you later.

I was thinking the same thing. On one hand, it's only one series; teams are going to lose those. On the other hand, last night and tonight were both winnable games against a division rival that will, in all likelihood, be a very bad team this year. Get 'em next time, I suppose, although that feels like a very defeatist sentiment.

BadBobbyJenks
04-08-2010, 11:34 PM
So, what's Dye been up to? Anyone have his number? *duck*

Can he bunt?

Baron
04-08-2010, 11:34 PM
So, what's Dye been up to? Anyone have his number? *duck*

Hopefully they got it on speed dial.....with the way Kotsay and Jones have been playing they may just have to call him next week

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:34 PM
Can he bunt?

He was willing to play 1st base for a job, so I'm guessing yes.

Thome_Fan
04-08-2010, 11:35 PM
So, what's Dye been up to? Anyone have his number? *duck*

You really think he's in any shape to play immediately though? Give him at least a month from being signed to get back into shape to do anything against major league pitching.

Slappy
04-08-2010, 11:35 PM
Can he bunt?

:lol:

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:36 PM
You really think he's in any shape to play immediately though? Give him at least a month from being signed to get back into shape to do anything against major league pitching.

*watching as the joke flies over your head* :smile:

Thome_Fan
04-08-2010, 11:37 PM
*watching as the joke flies over your head* :smile:

Yeah well... I'm too tired to infer that without teal right now. It's been a long day. :redface:

kobo
04-08-2010, 11:37 PM
Hopefully they got it on speed dial.....with the way Kotsay and Jones have been playing they may just have to call him next week
It's the 3rd game of the season. This is ridiculous. Jermaine Dye would not solve any problems right now unless he can make 2/3 of the lineup magically start hitting the ****ing baseball.

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:38 PM
It's the 3rd game of the season. This is ridiculous. Jermaine Dye would not solve any problems right now unless he can make 2/3 of the lineup magically start hitting the ****ing baseball.

Yikes. I was joking.

october23sp
04-08-2010, 11:38 PM
Passed Ball
Fielder's Choice
Run Scoring Double play
Home Run
Sac Fly
Home Run
RBI walk
Home Run

How we have scored our runs in 3 games.

DrCrawdad
04-08-2010, 11:39 PM
Same as last year.

So far?

Defense? Bad
Bullpen? Bad
Offense? Bad, weaker and less potent than last year.

I'm a true-believer Sox fan. I expect things to get better but the defense, BP and offense were concerns of mine before the season and remain so now.

Thome_Fan
04-08-2010, 11:39 PM
I seriously want Big Frank to go into the clubhouse and just start ****. Light a fire under these guys. Give private lessons aside from Walker, Texas Loser.

Yeah, I know. That was a REALLY bad joke.

thomas35forever
04-08-2010, 11:41 PM
So far?

Defense? Bad
Bullpen? Bad
Offense? Bad, weaker and less potent than last year.

I'm a true-believer Sox fan. I expect things to get better but the defense, BP and offense were concerns of mine before the season and remain so now.
Well what did you expect when they moved away from the slugger approach?

pudge
04-08-2010, 11:41 PM
Sorry but the it's early **** is not going to work for me this year. It was early all year last year.

Amen brother, something like 75% of playoff teams led their division after APRIL. (I'm pulling that out of my rear, but I heard the stat once and it's fairly shocking.) I can't stand the "it's early" crowd. We all feared this lineup, so if they want to prove us wrong, sooner is better than later.

GoGoCrede
04-08-2010, 11:42 PM
Carl's newest comic. (http://www.smellslikemascot.com/2010/04/globetrotter.html)...far cry from today's game.

Tragg
04-08-2010, 11:42 PM
Did it occur to you that Ozzie may not want his hitters to hit into a DP with their fastest runner on base?
???? And how did Ozzie minimize that? They walked Quentin (which was obvious would happen if he bunted) setting up the double play again....and increasing the possibility as speedy Juan is now on 2nd instead of 1st.

It was an incredibly stupid move.


Look how it works out:
NO Bunt: With PIerre on, Beckham, Quentin and Konerko would get to bat.

With the bunt, Quentin would obviously be walked and an out made, so then Konerko and Anduw Jones hit.

So you are trading Beckham and Quentin for Andruw Jones.
It's a really, really dumb move.

The but in the 7th was bad for people who don't like bunting in general (like me).
But the one in the 9th is indefensible even if you like bunting as a tactic, once you think it through.

TDog
04-08-2010, 11:44 PM
You shouldn't bunt your 2 hole hitter except in rare cases such as runner on 2nd no outs and 1 run wins the game.

Guillen's love of giving away outs costs this team. Guillen is limiting runners on board in front of his best power hitter Quentin. It's inane.

I don't believe in sacrifice bunting except on rare occasions, but your No. 2 hitter (in addition to your No. 9 hitter) traditionally will be called upon to sacrifice a lot on teams that bunt. Current bench coach Joey Cora had close to 20 sacrifice bunts for the 1993 White Sox when he was hitting in front of Frank Thomas (I think he led the league), and he had double-digit sacrifice bunts hitting No. 2 in front of Ken Griffey Jr. after he moved to Seattle. And that's the way Guillen has managed for years. Why are people shocked and offended that Beckham hitting second is called upon to bunt.

That's why when you see Vizquel (the best bunter on the team) will either hit No. 2 or No. 9 when he starts. It might depend on who he replaces in the lineup.

Bunting is a matter of philosophy that isn't going to change, as much as I would like to see it do so. And if Beckham is batting second, bunting will be part of his role on the team. And he certainly is aware of that.

And I would never bunt with a runner on second and first base open, unless a pitcher is hitting. A ground ball to the right side has a better chance of advancing the runner, it is generally easier to execute, and it could score the runner on the play.

Bunting wasn't a problem with the offense though. Striking out with a runner at third and one out ended up costing the White Sox the game.

Slappy
04-08-2010, 11:45 PM
I seriously want Big Frank to go into the clubhouse and just start ****. Light a fire under these guys. Give private lessons aside from Walker, Texas Loser.

Yeah, I know. That was a REALLY bad joke.

I hope the team was treated to another cold shower tonight.

Completely impotent offense. I could have sworn I was watching 2009 White Sox baseball.

This team completely lacks unity. Clevelands dugout was so much more vocal tonight, from what I saw every time the camera panned to each teams dugout.

DrCrawdad
04-08-2010, 11:46 PM
Well what did you expect when they moved away from the slugger approach?

Considering the players the Sox picked up, this is what I expected. At least one thing hasn't changed, the failure to produce with runners in scoring position.

:redface:

october23sp
04-08-2010, 11:47 PM
I hope the team was treated to another cold shower tonight.

Completely impotent offense. I could have sworn I was watching 2009 White Sox baseball.

This team completely lacks unity. Clevelands dugout was so much more vocal tonight, from what I saw every time the camera panned to each teams dugout.

I would say they lack ability more than anything.

guillensdisciple
04-08-2010, 11:47 PM
I hope the team was treated to another cold shower tonight.

Completely impotent offense. I could have sworn I was watching 2009 White Sox baseball.

This team completely lacks unity. Clevelands dugout was so much more vocal tonight, from what I saw every time the camera panned to each teams dugout.


Unity will never be a problem under Ozzie. Execution has been a problem since last year.

Tragg
04-08-2010, 11:48 PM
Bunting wasn't a problem with the offense though. Striking out with a runner at third and one out ended up costing the White Sox the game.
The 9th inning bunt was a BIG problem...it took the bat out of each of Beckham and Quentin's hands, and gave it to Andruw Jones. You can't do that.

If you do need to bunt your 2 hole hitter, then put Kotsay there and put Beckham in a position where he can hit. You can't waste Beckham with bunting.

TheOldRoman
04-08-2010, 11:51 PM
Unity will never be a problem under Ozzie. Execution has been a problem since last year.Since the second half of 2006.

guillensdisciple
04-08-2010, 11:53 PM
Since the second half of 2006.


Walkers fault, he still needs to go

Lip Man 1
04-08-2010, 11:53 PM
Considering Cleveland is probably the easiest team on the schedule in the first five weeks, this is not a good sign.

Lip

october23sp
04-08-2010, 11:54 PM
Considering Cleveland is probably the easiest team on the schedule in the first five weeks, this is not a good sign.

Lip

The fact that we were playing one of the worst teams in baseball is what a lot of posters are overlooking. It is time to overreact because these are the ****ing Indians.

Slappy
04-08-2010, 11:56 PM
The thing is, the Indians have some talent on that offense. We should have completely pounced on that pitching, however, and we blew it.

DrCrawdad
04-08-2010, 11:56 PM
Considering Cleveland is probably the easiest team on the schedule in the first five weeks, this is not a good sign.

Lip

Minnesota's line-up is impressive and the Sox BP has their work cut out for them. I expect it to get really ugly when our starters leave the game.

october23sp
04-08-2010, 11:58 PM
Minnesota's line-up is impressive and the Sox BP has their work cut out for them. I expect it to get really ugly when our starters leave the game.

I am legitimately nervous for when Freddy Garcia takes the mound on Saturday. We might be looking at a 20+ score difference.

Slappy
04-08-2010, 11:59 PM
Minnesota will mash this year and their pitching staff will be more than adequate. Detroit will be really tough, and Kansas has a lot of talent on that team, save for a **** BP.

Here we go!

october23sp
04-08-2010, 11:59 PM
Minnesota will mash this year and their pitching staff will be more than adequate. Detroit will be really tough, and Kansas has a lot of talent on that team, save for a **** BP.

Here we go!

And apparently the Indians are also better than us.

mcfish
04-09-2010, 12:00 AM
Well what did you expect when they moved away from the slugger approach?obviously someone expected improvement, I(we) just don't understand how they possibly could have expected that.

october23sp
04-09-2010, 12:01 AM
:chunks

The Immigrant
04-09-2010, 12:03 AM
Minnesota will mash this year and their pitching staff will be more than adequate. Detroit will be really tough, and Kansas has a lot of talent on that team, save for a **** BP.

Here we go!

I froze my ass off for 11 innings tonight and am as annoyed as anyone at the loss, but this post gives new meaning to pants-pissing.

GoGoCrede
04-09-2010, 12:04 AM
I froze my ass off for 11 innings tonight and am as annoyed as anyone at the loss, but this post gives new meaning to pants-pissing.

I feel your pain, I was there last night. I think my ears froze solid. Did a lot of people clear out early? Or at least after the sleet?

guillensdisciple
04-09-2010, 12:04 AM
I froze my ass off for 11 innings tonight and am as annoyed as anyone at the loss, but this post gives new meaning to pants-pissing.


Minnesota looks good though, you can't deny that. THe other teams I am not so worried about.

Slappy
04-09-2010, 12:05 AM
I froze my ass off for 11 innings tonight and am as annoyed as anyone at the loss, but this post gives new meaning to pants-pissing.

Just stating the truth.

I wont be surprised if Detroit does real well in this division. Magglio looks like he's got some pop back in his bat, Damon should add some spark, and Dontrelle Willis looked good tonight. Their top 3 starters are very good, and let's not forget about Cabrera.

TDog
04-09-2010, 12:08 AM
The 9th inning bunt was a BIG problem...it took the bat out of each of Beckham and Quentin's hands, and gave it to Andruw Jones. You can't do that.

If you do need to bunt your 2 hole hitter, then put Kotsay there and put Beckham in a position where he can hit. You can't waste Beckham with bunting.

I suggested a couple of days ago that I would put Kotsay in the No. 2 position. I argued last season that Beckham wasn't a No. 2 hitter and preseason threads typed that I don't believe Beckham should be batting second. But he is, and that is a bunt situation, as much as I hate the sacrifice. Taking the bat out of Quentin's hands isn't such a big a problem because Konerko has been hitting better than Quentin.

Now, if you want to hit and run with Pierre on first and Beckham at bat, you are going to have to wait for a favorable count. He might end up having to hit from behind in the count.

Most managers would have bunted Beckham in that situation. And if Guillen doesn't bunt Beckham and Pierre is left at first at the end of the inning, people in the postgame thread are calling Guillen an idiot for not bunting Beckham.

TheOldRoman
04-09-2010, 12:10 AM
Walkers fault, he still needs to goWhether or not I agree with you (and I think everyone knows where I stand), I have put a personal three week moratorium on commenting on the hitting coach. Hopefully the weather gets a lot warmer in that time period.

The Immigrant
04-09-2010, 12:11 AM
I feel your pain, I was there last night. I think my ears froze solid. Did a lot of people clear out early? Or at least after the sleet?

Most people cleared out after the bottom of the ninth. That was actually hail falling when Jenks was pitching in the top of the ninth. There were little pellets of ice everywhere.

The wheels came off when Paulie failed to field that grounder from Hafner. Right about that time the temperature dropped by 7-8 degrees.

guillensdisciple
04-09-2010, 12:12 AM
Whether or not I agree with you (and I think everyone knows where I stand), I have put a personal three week moratorium on commenting on the hitting coach. Hopefully the weather gets a lot warmer in that time period.


:redface:

I'll keep my mouth closed.

Lip Man 1
04-09-2010, 12:12 AM
The weather is brutal yet the morons who make the schedule have the Sox open at home for six games.

BRILLIANT!

:rolleyes:

Lip

DrCrawdad
04-09-2010, 12:14 AM
I am legitimately nervous for when Freddy Garcia takes the mound on Saturday. We might be looking at a 20+ score difference.

And that's before the BP enters the picture.

And apparently the Indians are also better than us.

Starting pitchers? No, they are not better than the Sox. But the Indians are not the Pittsburgh Pirates.

I froze my ass off for 11 innings tonight and am as annoyed as anyone at the loss, but this post gives new meaning to pants-pissing.

If you sat there at the Cell Thursday night you have my admiration. But as a Sox fan I reserve my right to be angry & spitting nails after losses.

LoveYourSuit
04-09-2010, 12:16 AM
You look forward for the season to start, get a gem by Buehrle in game 1 and two huge eggs the following games.

Talk about a letdown.


I had a feeling the offense would let the pitching hanging out to dry a few times this year, but 2 of 3 games already is alarming.

mcfish
04-09-2010, 12:17 AM
The weather is brutal yet the morons who make the schedule have the Sox open at home for six games.

BRILLIANT!

:rolleyes:

Lip
The MLB is kinda in a tough spot there. They pretty much make it so that both teams in 2 team areas are not at home at the same time, so either us or the Cubs pretty much have to open at home.

BainesHOF
04-09-2010, 12:19 AM
Ozzie doesn't bunt Teahen Wednesday, but bunts Beckham twice Thursday. Okaaaaaaaaaay...

Why did we acquire Pierre if he's not going to be trusted to steal in game situations? If we take that away from him, then he's pretty much useless.

Rios and Jones are clearly our two best defensive outfielders. When both are in the lineup, why is Quentin in right and not left?

Teahen is obviously pressing to make an impression. But he's not really valuable when he's playing to his capabilities anyway. Check his stats from last year. He has no business starting for a good team. I like Kenny Williams, but this one falls on him.

Ramirez is swinging as stupidly as ever. I don't think it's too early for him to sit - not because of his lack of production, but because of his silly approach.

soltrain21
04-09-2010, 12:21 AM
Ozzie doesn't bunt Teahen Wednesday, but bunts Beckham twice Thursday. Okaaaaaaaaaay...

Why did we acquire Pierre if he's not going to be trusted to steal in game situations? If we take that away from him, then he's pretty much useless.

Rios and Jones are clearly our two best defensive outfielders. When both are in the lineup, why is Quentin in right and not left?

Teahen is obviously pressing to make an impression. But he's not really valuable when he's playing to his capabilities anyway. Check his stats from last year. He has no business starting for a good team. I like Kenny Williams, but this one falls on him.

Ramirez is swinging as stupidly as ever. I don't think it's too early for him to sit - not because of his lack of production, but because of his silly approach.

Ramirez was by far my least favorite player on the team last year. It wasn't even close, really. And I didn't really like ANY player outside of Beckham last year.

Lip Man 1
04-09-2010, 12:28 AM
MC Fish:

I disagree. There's nothing in the rules that says a team can't open on the road for a week or ten days, while the other team is only home for say a three game series, then THEY are on the road.

MLB needs to go back to the schedule making they had in the late 80's / early 90's.

Teams that are in cold weather locations open on the road against teams in the south, in California or Texas or Arizona (naturally Arizona wasn't around then...) or in domed stadiums.

This was abandoned because those teams starting screaming bloody murder about playing a lot of early season games at home when school is still in session.

Too bad. That's the price you pay for having good weather generally.

Lip

Nellie_Fox
04-09-2010, 12:29 AM
I was referring to myself as being too lazy to use teal, not your post.Really? Two mouse clicks is more than you can deal with?

I feel your pain, I was there last night. I think my ears froze solid. Did a lot of people clear out early? Or at least after the sleet?For all those who were incredulous at an outdoor ballpark in Minnesota, predicting intolerable April weather, you might note that Wednesday night at game time it was 10° warmer at Target Field than at USCF, and tonight it was 15° warmer.

gobears1987
04-09-2010, 12:37 AM
For all those who were incredulous at an outdoor ballpark in Minnesota, predicting intolerable April weather, you might note that Wednesday night at game time it was 10° warmer at Target Field than at USCF, and tonight it was 15° warmer.

I saw you bring that up months ago that Minnesota is warmer in April. What causes that? If I were to wager a guess I'd have to say the lake is the cause since the water chilled all winter and hasn't had a chance to warm up.

Thome_Fan
04-09-2010, 12:41 AM
I saw you bring that up months ago that Minnesota is warmer in April. What causes that? If I were to wager a guess I'd have to say the lake is the cause since the water chilled all winter and hasn't had a chance to warm up.

You also get some really cold wind off the lake. This summer I marched a drum corps based in Milwaukee and we had our show learning month there near the lake. There were times when we were COLD in late May. We'd be marching in hoodies and sweatpants. The lake makes a big difference.

TDog
04-09-2010, 12:47 AM
The weather is brutal yet the morons who make the schedule have the Sox open at home for six games.

BRILLIANT!

:rolleyes:

Lip

Of course, it wouldn't be as bad if the Sox didn't insist on playing night games.

voodoochile
04-09-2010, 12:57 AM
I saw you bring that up months ago that Minnesota is warmer in April. What causes that? If I were to wager a guess I'd have to say the lake is the cause since the water chilled all winter and hasn't had a chance to warm up.

You also get some really cold wind off the lake. This summer I marched a drum corps based in Milwaukee and we had our show learning month there near the lake. There were times when we were COLD in late May. We'd be marching in hoodies and sweatpants. The lake makes a big difference.

Yeah, I used to live a few blocks from the lake in Edgewater and on warm April days you could feel the temperature dropping as you walked east. It would be 65 a few blocks west of me, 60 by my house and if you walked to the edge of the water, you'd actually have fog and the air would be in the low 40's generally. Very freakish stuff.

DrCrawdad
04-09-2010, 01:18 AM
Ozzie doesn't bunt Teahen Wednesday, but bunts Beckham twice Thursday. Okaaaaaaaaaay...

Why did we acquire Pierre if he's not going to be trusted to steal in game situations? If we take that away from him, then he's pretty much useless.

Rios and Jones are clearly our two best defensive outfielders. When both are in the lineup, why is Quentin in right and not left?

Teahen is obviously pressing to make an impression. But he's not really valuable when he's playing to his capabilities anyway. Check his stats from last year. He has no business starting for a good team. I like Kenny Williams, but this one falls on him.

Ramirez is swinging as stupidly as ever. I don't think it's too early for him to sit - not because of his lack of production, but because of his silly approach.

Rios in LF and Jones in CF? Sure, 5 years ago but if you're going to start Rios in CF for 2 games why push him to LF for a single game and put Jones in CF for one game?

Good thing Kenny signed Teahen to a 3 year contract. UGH!

WhiteSox5187
04-09-2010, 01:33 AM
I'm upset at the way we've played, but I have to keep reminding myself "It's only three games in..." we started out 1-2 in '06 and won 90 games this year. Our pitching is much better than it was in '06 too. It's our offense I worry about.

hawkjt
04-09-2010, 01:43 AM
Twins make their only trip to anaheim the first four days of the year...nice break for them.
Sox freeze their butts off in chicago the first week...great.
And then get to freeze their butts off in Cleveland next week...great.
Sox get the worst schedule in the division year after year because of their centralized location...great.

This offense is cold also.

guillensdisciple
04-09-2010, 01:48 AM
Twins make their only trip to anaheim the first four days of the year...nice break for them.
Sox freeze their butts off in chicago the first week...great.
And then get to freeze their butts off in Cleveland next week...great.
Sox get the worst schedule in the division year after year because of their centralized location...great.

This offense is cold also.


The first four parts of that seem like you're just making excuses. The last part is a valid observation.

It's Dankerific
04-09-2010, 02:40 AM
Wish I could say this wasn't expected, but its ozzie.

bunting beckham? stupid

how great was quentin in RF? stupid

Dibbs
04-09-2010, 02:52 AM
Poor Ozzie. It must be tough being a genius. Even funnier. Tell me, why are any of us having a serious conversation with a guy that seriously thinks he can manage a lineup better than somebody that does it for a living?

BainesHOF
04-09-2010, 02:55 AM
Rios in LF and Jones in CF? Sure, 5 years ago but if you're going to start Rios in CF for 2 games why push him to LF for a single game and put Jones in CF for one game?

Well, as I pointed out in another thread about a week ago, Jones might be our best defensive center fielder. D.J. thinks so, and keep in mind Jones is only 32.

That said, I think there's something to be said for putting Rios in center and leaving him there. One, he might be our best center fielder. Two, if he's not, he's very close to Jones, and the slight theoretical advantage that would be gained by putting Jones in center and Rios in left probably would be more than wiped out by Rios suffering somewhat defensively and perhaps even offensively by moving him back and forth from center and left. Considering his offensive struggles from last season, it might be wise to just leave Rios alone and let him get comfortable in center.

The Rios vs. Jones center field debate is just one of many that threatens to disrupt the team's continuity. Pierre, Kotsay and perhaps even Quentin (is he really going to be in right all year?) look like they'll also bounce around in different roles. When's the last time a championship team was so unsettled in both defensive and batting order positions? I'm afraid I don't want to know the answer.

It's Dankerific
04-09-2010, 03:02 AM
I also forgot to remind everyone to not get so upset, its not like games in April count the same as ones in September.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
04-09-2010, 03:18 AM
I also forgot to remind everyone to not get so upset, its not like games in April count the same as ones in September.

:tealtutor:

FloridaSox
04-09-2010, 04:58 AM
Pierre leads off 9th with a single. Beckham sacrifices, Quentin gets semi-intnentional walk. We have just taken the bat out of the hands of two of our three best offensive players. Quite a trip through the heart of our batting order.

Frater Perdurabo
04-09-2010, 06:16 AM
Pierre leads off 9th with a single. Beckham sacrifices, Quentin gets semi-intnentional walk. We have just taken the bat out of the hands of two of our three best offensive players. Quite a trip through the heart of our batting order.

Ozzie makes the ****ing lineups.

Ozzie makes the ****ing calls.

Ozzie is a ****ing idiot.

doublem23
04-09-2010, 06:23 AM
Twins make their only trip to anaheim the first four days of the year...nice break for them.
Sox freeze their butts off in chicago the first week...great.
And then get to freeze their butts off in Cleveland next week...great.
Sox get the worst schedule in the division year after year because of their centralized location...great.

This offense is cold also.

:rolleyes:

Stop blaming the schedule.

doublem23
04-09-2010, 06:33 AM
I saw you bring that up months ago that Minnesota is warmer in April. What causes that? If I were to wager a guess I'd have to say the lake is the cause since the water chilled all winter and hasn't had a chance to warm up.

Neither one is, on average, any warmer or colder than the other, that's just the way weather in this part of the country is this time of year. FWIW, on Tuesday, the high temp. in Chicago was 79. The high in Minneapolis was 52.

WhiteSox1989
04-09-2010, 06:41 AM
I'm happy I didn't get to see the end of this one.

Hopefully the Sox can actually score some runs, and manage to beat the Twins tonight.

RedHeadPaleHoser
04-09-2010, 07:02 AM
3 games -

14 hits
18 strikeouts
19 walks

Somewhere, someone's gotta see that Beckham bunting over a guy WHO CAN STEAL ****ING BASES is a waste. IIRC, didn't Pods steal 2nd, then Iguchi was allowed to swing away or drive to opposite field? What a noble concept.

Domeshot17
04-09-2010, 07:23 AM
Well, it was 1 series, so things can change, but thus far:

The 2010 White Sox scored most their runs on the home run again, but atleast we have Mark Kotsay to drive in runs by grounding out and GIDP.

The 2010 White Sox starting pitching looked GREAT

The 2010 Defense looks about average

The 2010 Speed is great, except no one gets on and no one can drive anyone in

The best offensive player on the White Sox is now being forced to be Tadahito Iguchi.

I know all you guys say don't worry about the pen and the offense, it will all be fine, but after 3 games, I am worried about the pen and the offense.

aryzner
04-09-2010, 07:24 AM
Same old ****.

Glad I went to bed after the 9th was over.

I know just as well as all of you do when this team is going to lose and you could call that one just as easy as any other Sox loss.

I'm with the crowd that doesn't buy the "it's early" thing. It's never too early to complain about this sort of thing when it has been happening for years now.

mcfish
04-09-2010, 07:25 AM
Poor Ozzie. It must be tough being a genius. Even funnier. Tell me, why are any of us having a serious conversation with a guy that seriously thinks he can manage a lineup better than somebody that does it for a living?
I know plenty of people who get paid to do things they really don't understand how to do.

WhiteSox1989
04-09-2010, 07:57 AM
For the most part, Ozzie knows what he's doing, though.

It was maddening, but that doesn't mean Ozzie doesn't know what he's doing.

Hitmen77
04-09-2010, 08:06 AM
The weather is brutal yet the morons who make the schedule have the Sox open at home for six games.

BRILLIANT!

:rolleyes:

Lip

But this year it was something like 70 on opening day and it's supposed to be 70 this weekend too. So it's not like we're getting 6 games of brutal cold here.

If cold weather were such an issue, then the Sox should play more home day games in early April. I know it wouldn't have mattered much yesterday when it was cold all day, but it would make a difference on many days.

With MLB's competitive balance so messed up now such that every team feels like they need to draw close to 3 million just to keep up with the money thrown around by NYY and Bos, there is no way that dome and warm weather teams are just going to take getting all the low attendance early season games dumped on them.

Yeah, I used to live a few blocks from the lake in Edgewater and on warm April days you could feel the temperature dropping as you walked east. It would be 65 a few blocks west of me, 60 by my house and if you walked to the edge of the water, you'd actually have fog and the air would be in the low 40's generally. Very freakish stuff.

In the spring it is often up to 15 degrees warmer when I get of the train out in the western suburbs than it is when I leave the office in the loop. 47 downtown and then 62 at home....not that unusual at all.

Of course, that wasn't the case yesterday. It was just downright COLD everywhere!

BringHomeDaBacon
04-09-2010, 08:12 AM
Ozzie doesn't bunt Teahen Wednesday, but bunts Beckham twice Thursday. Okaaaaaaaaaay...



This is exactly the type of thing that proves that Ozzie lacks and real decision making ability. He's basically an idiot that operates on impulse. As with any decision making process, sometimes they just happen to work out.

ndgt10
04-09-2010, 08:15 AM
It's just one of those series where you have to tip your cap to the Indians pitching staff.

SI1020
04-09-2010, 08:28 AM
It's just one of those series where you have to tip your cap to the Indians pitching staff. I'd rather not have to tip my cap to guys that are mediocre at best.

WhiteSox1989
04-09-2010, 08:30 AM
It's just one of those series where you have to tip your cap to the Indians pitching staff.
Or it was just the god awful White Sox offense.

beasly213
04-09-2010, 08:33 AM
I love me some first series of the season game threads.

If the Sox won last night by the score of 3-2 this place would be a complete 180 and yet they offense would have still played the same way..

I'm not thrilled about this past series... no one is, including Ozzie and the players. But I don't think ONE series in April is a true indication on how the team will play the whole year.

Yes there are some question marks on the team.. but not a ton of them. Alexei has been a slow starter before, no shocker there, I for one don't think Rios looks awful at the plate, and I expect a good year from him.

The Bullpen is a crap shoot pretty much for every team every year, besides the closer I have yet to see a solid strategy for builing a solid penn from year to year. It's a lot of luck really.

A sweep of the Twins will make everyone feel better!

:gulp:

Hitmen77
04-09-2010, 08:40 AM
It's just one of those series where you have to tip your cap to the Indians pitching staff.

Ugh. I have a feeling we're going to be tipping our caps a lot this season.

Last year's excuses were cold weather (which only affects us apparently) and unaccomplished pitchers who were somehow often lights out against us. This year, let's just admit that this offense that Ozzie wanted simply isn't very good.

Meanwhile, it doesn't get any easier as we play a team that is much better than the Indians next and then we travel to a place where the Sox have played poorly the last few years.

mccoydp
04-09-2010, 08:52 AM
Well, I feel like I lost hours of my life after watching that game.

New season, same Sox bull****.

TheOldRoman
04-09-2010, 08:53 AM
Well, it was 1 series, so things can change, but thus far:

The 2010 White Sox scored most their runs on the home run again, but atleast we have Mark Kotsay to drive in runs by grounding out and GIDP.

The 2010 White Sox starting pitching looked GREAT

The 2010 Defense looks about average

The 2010 Speed is great, except no one gets on and no one can drive anyone in

The best offensive player on the White Sox is now being forced to be Tadahito Iguchi.

I know all you guys say don't worry about the pen and the offense, it will all be fine, but after 3 games, I am worried about the pen and the offense.I don't know about that. Buehrle was great. Peavy was bad, both in his results (a decent team would have pounded him) and in only going 5. Floyd was alright, but he needs to give at least 7 innings. Now, Peavy is a great pitcher who will rebound, and Floyd will routinely go over 6 innings, so starting pitching is the least of my worries. I believe the Sox will have the best rotation in baseball this season. I am just saying none of our starters were robbed of wins in this series.

Johnny Mostil
04-09-2010, 09:04 AM
If the Sox won last night by the score of 3-2 this place would be a complete 180

But, alas, they didn’t. And if they had, Guillén wouldn’t have had a second chance to take the bat out of Beckham’s hands—as well, as it turned out, Quentin’s. I’m not sure what to think about that, but I don’t blame posters for questioning it.

Did anybody ask Guillén about those decisions after the game? If so, what was his response?

Jerko
04-09-2010, 09:05 AM
Guys can get hot, guys can go into slumps; that changes 100 times during the season. Calling for stupid bunts, playing LRLRLRLRLRLRL bull**** from the 6th inning on (moreso in game 2 than last night), and being forced to use Thornton every day are things that probably aren't going to change. That's why I get frustrated. Same ****, different year. I know when a team can't hit you have to manufacture runs, but giving up outs with this lineup just seems like "giving up" more than anything. Maybe Beckham should **** up a few bunts in a row so Ozzie quits calling for it.

WhiteSox1989
04-09-2010, 09:09 AM
I change my preseason prediction to 1-161.

hi im skot
04-09-2010, 09:24 AM
I should have stayed out of this thread.

tick53
04-09-2010, 09:27 AM
All this talk about better defense is a joke. What did we get Kotsay for originally? To be a good bench guy. Ozzie starts him against righties which is not the best move to begin with but when he sits him, he doesn't put him in as a late inning replacement for Paulie? I'm not saying Konerko isn't a decent first baseman but Kotsay is a pretty good 1B man and is left handed. Kotsay would have made that play at first in the 8th inning and the game would have been over. Sox win, end of story.

Our manager lost that game last night. It wasn't because of the strike outs. The Sox struck out more Indians last night than the Indians struck out White Sox. If they are going to play that NL style ball then do it. I don't think Paul Konerko or any of the other players are going to get pissed if they get substituted late in the game.

Pitiful game!

GoSox2K3
04-09-2010, 09:30 AM
I should have stayed out of this thread.

Yeah, how dare Sox fans complain about their team's terrible performance the last 2 games. I was expecting this thread to be full of praise of Ozzie's offense.

SoxGirl4Life
04-09-2010, 09:35 AM
All I can say is that they're already giving me a headache. And that was one series against a supposedly bad team.

This weekend should be quite the barometer. I can't wait. :cower:

WhiteSox1989
04-09-2010, 09:35 AM
Yeah, how dare Sox fans complain about their team's terrible performance the last 2 games. I was expecting this thread to be full of praise of Ozzie's offense.
Right. But it's a bit obnoxious, and also, the third game of the season. Lets give it another month or so to bitch about what a terrible manager Ozzie is.

DickAllen72
04-09-2010, 09:36 AM
Why did we acquire Pierre if he's not going to be trusted to steal in game situations? If we take that away from him, then he's pretty much useless.
Very true.

hi im skot
04-09-2010, 09:40 AM
Yeah, how dare Sox fans complain about their team's terrible performance the last 2 games. I was expecting this thread to be full of praise of Ozzie's offense.

**** THIS TEAM. I'M SETTING MYSELF ON FIRE.

Team looked ****ty the last couple games, no doubt. I swore at my TV multiple times the last couple nights. Pants pissing just doesn't really seem to accomplish much, other than make everyone more upset.

Just my opinion.

:shrug:

DickAllen72
04-09-2010, 09:44 AM
Pierre leads off 9th with a single. Beckham sacrifices, Quentin gets semi-intnentional walk. We have just taken the bat out of the hands of two of our three best offensive players. Quite a trip through the heart of our batting order.
As another poster accurately pointed out, if Pierre can't be trusted to steal a base in that situation, what good is he? Speed and base-stealing ability are his only strengths. If they don't trust he still has the ability he did a few years ago he shouldn't be here.

If the number two hitter is frequently going to be asked to sacrifice Pierre over to second base this season, then Beckham should be moved out of the two hole. This lineup is already a couple of bats short, and they don't have enough good hitters to take the bat out of the hands of one of their best hitters in game situations.

soltrain21
04-09-2010, 09:48 AM
**** THIS TEAM. I'M SETTING MYSELF ON FIRE.


I'll grab the video camera.

SI1020
04-09-2010, 10:07 AM
Since the second half of 2006. When I pointed that out last year it wasn't real popular. The 2006 Sox started out 56-29. Since then they are 275-292, an extended period of lousy baseball.

KyWhiSoxFan
04-09-2010, 10:09 AM
**** THIS TEAM. I'M SETTING MYSELF ON FIRE.

Team looked ****ty the last couple games, no doubt. I swore at my TV multiple times the last couple nights. Pants pissing just doesn't really seem to accomplish much, other than make everyone more upset.

Just my opinion.

:shrug:

Pants pissing will help you somewhat, if you're setting yourself on fire. At least your legs won't be as badly burned.

Frankfan4life
04-09-2010, 10:17 AM
Well that sucked.

Meet the new Sox, same as the old Sox.My thoughts exactly. In return for sitting through four hours of rain, sleet and winter temperatures, I got to see the same old crappy offense from last year. Somehow I expected more but I'm not surprised. While the Twins were beating up on a quality team like the Angels, we're losing 2 out of 3 to the last place Toons. I don't like what I'm seeing and I am worried.

KyWhiSoxFan
04-09-2010, 10:19 AM
I'm not going to read every post again ... but has Greg Walker's name been mentioned yet?

Jim Shorts
04-09-2010, 10:20 AM
This is exactly the type of thing that proves that Ozzie lacks and real decision making ability. He's basically an idiot that operates on impulse. As with any decision making process, sometimes they just happen to work out.


This might be the dumbest thing I think I've ever read on the internets.

We can all question Ozzie's calls, certainly after last night, but that statement is just dumb

Thome_Fan
04-09-2010, 10:21 AM
**** THIS TEAM. I'M SETTING MYSELF ON FIRE.

Team looked ****ty the last couple games, no doubt. I swore at my TV multiple times the last couple nights. Pants pissing just doesn't really seem to accomplish much, other than make everyone more upset.

Just my opinion.

:shrug:

Whoa. I've never seen a burning dinosaur before.

GoGoCrede
04-09-2010, 10:22 AM
Whoa. I've never seen a burning dinosaur before.

Ha. For some reason I'm reminded of Barney...

Jurr
04-09-2010, 10:27 AM
Great news, guys. Pitchers and catchers report in 10.5 months!!!

Let's hope the Twins help the Sox snap out of this collective offensive brain fart. It would be so great if the Sox could score runs via "pirhana ball" en route to a sweep against the (surprisingly) power endowed Twins.

TheOldRoman
04-09-2010, 10:29 AM
Great news, guys. Pitchers and catchers report in 10.5 months!!!

Let's hope the Twins help the Sox snap out of this collective offensive brain fart. It would be so great if the Sox could score runs via "pirhana ball" en route to a sweep against the (surprisingly) power endowed Twins.The Twins may be impressively endowed at first glance, but I think their pitching will leave them flaccid this season.

JC456
04-09-2010, 10:30 AM
This might be the dumbest thing I think I've ever read on the internets.

We can all question Ozzie's calls, certainly after last night, but that statement is just dumb

I think he was stating that a blind squirrel will always find a nut!

Thome_Fan
04-09-2010, 10:31 AM
The Twins may be impressively endowed at first glance, but I think their pitching will leave them flaccid this season.

I love this post.

Jurr
04-09-2010, 10:32 AM
The Twins may be impressively endowed at first glance, but I think their pitching will leave them flaccid this season.

I'm hoping so.

I hate excuses, but I genuinely feel that that the Sox just didn't hit well in that weather. They looked decent opening day when it was warm, then were smacked in the face with miserable conditions. I think things will be fine.

If Thome comes out here this series hitting opposite field all day and stealing bases, I'm going to cry.

BringHomeDaBacon
04-09-2010, 10:47 AM
This might be the dumbest thing I think I've ever read on the internets.

We can all question Ozzie's calls, certainly after last night, but that statement is just dumb

Really? Then please explain to me the thought process, if any, behind letting Teahen swing away with AJ on first, nobody out, down by one in the seventh one night and then bunting with Beckham and Pierre on first in the exact same situation the next night.

Also, while you're at it please explain why if you're only going to use Jones over Kotsay in one game of the series why you would pick the game where the L/R splits are the most pronounced in favor of the lefty. (righties vs masterson: .199/.282/.295 lefties vs masterson: .292/.392/.450)

Madscout
04-09-2010, 10:49 AM
You also get some really cold wind off the lake. This summer I marched a drum corps based in Milwaukee and we had our show learning month there near the lake. There were times when we were COLD in late May. We'd be marching in hoodies and sweatpants. The lake makes a big difference.
What corps did you march? If you haven't caught it, my user name refers to my two years spent as a Madison Scout.

Lip Man 1
04-09-2010, 10:55 AM
A look at the numbers:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/2149576,white-sox-hitting-09.article

Lip

Madscout
04-09-2010, 11:06 AM
I gotta say that I don't give a **** how cold it is. If the Indians can find the lumber against our pitchers, we should find it against theirs. The bottom of the lineup better remember why they are in the big leagues sooner rather than later.

Frankfan4life
04-09-2010, 11:28 AM
Really? Then please explain to me the thought process, if any, behind letting Teahen swing away with AJ on first, nobody out, down by one in the seventh one night and then bunting with Beckham and Pierre on first in the exact same situation the next night.

Also, while you're at it please explain why if you're only going to use Jones over Kotsay in one game of the series why you would pick the game where the L/R splits are the most pronounced in favor of the lefty. (righties vs masterson: .199/.282/.295 lefties vs masterson: .292/.392/.450)I was scratching my head and screaming bloody murder at Ozzie's decision-making last night. I hope these two losses have a positive impact on his future game-time decisions. I'm just not in the mood for any more "comic relief."

Nellie_Fox
04-09-2010, 11:38 AM
Neither one is, on average, any warmer or colder than the other, that's just the way weather in this part of the country is this time of year. FWIW, on Tuesday, the high temp. in Chicago was 79. The high in Minneapolis was 52.Yeah, I never said it's warmer in Minneapolis in April, I said it's often warmer. My point was that outdoor baseball in Minneapolis is not any bigger of a deal than it is in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc.

I should have stayed out of this thread.I wish I could. Sometimes all the anger just kills my enjoyment of the season.

pythons007
04-09-2010, 11:41 AM
I'm not sure if this was stated or not, but I just wanted to get this off my chest....

I'm still scratching my head that Ozzie elects to have Beckham bunt twice after Pierre led of the inning getting on. Why not let Pierre try to steal a base, hit and run, or something. Don't just give up Beckham to get Pierre in scoring position.

If Pierre had the opportunity to steal the base, Gordon could have bunted him over to 3B! Then Carlos comes up with an opportunity to knock him in with a sac fly. The first time it worked only because Carlos hit a home run. I just don't like that kind of baseball. That's NL play for the pitcher to give himself up in that spot not your 2 hole hitter!

munchman33
04-09-2010, 11:42 AM
A look at the numbers:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/2149576,white-sox-hitting-09.article

Lip

For all the clamoring about Ozzie and decision making, this is the most telling reason our we lost 2 of 3 to the lowly Indians. You can't win if your offense doesn't hit. There's a lot of time to turn this around, but it's not a good sign when we get out of the gate hitting as poorly as many of us feared we would.

Nellie_Fox
04-09-2010, 11:43 AM
I'm not sure if this was stated or not, but I just wanted to get this off my chest....

I'm still scratching my head that Ozzie elects to have Beckham bunt twice after Pierre led of the inning getting on. Why not let Pierre try to steal a base, hit and run, or something. Don't just give up Beckham to get Pierre in scoring position. It was stated over and over and over again. A casual glance over the thread would have made that abundantly clear.

jabrch
04-09-2010, 11:43 AM
I wish I could. Sometimes all the anger just kills my enjoyment of the season.

I understand - and find it very sad...I'm vowing from today on to not let other miserable people make me miserable. I'm going to laugh at their misery from now on - I'm not going to inherit it.

WhiteSox1989
04-09-2010, 11:43 AM
I'm not sure if this was stated or not, but I just wanted to get this off my chest....

I'm still scratching my head that Ozzie elects to have Beckham bunt twice after Pierre led of the inning getting on. Why not let Pierre try to steal a base, hit and run, or something. Don't just give up Beckham to get Pierre in scoring position.

If Pierre had the opportunity to steal the base, Gordon could have bunted him over to 3B! Then Carlos comes up with an opportunity to knock him in with a sac fly. The first time it worked only because Carlos hit a home run. I just don't like that kind of baseball. That's NL play for the pitcher to give himself up in that spot not your 2 hole hitter!
No. Hasn't been mentioned.

khan
04-09-2010, 11:46 AM
I don't see the negative comments about the ****ty offense as being "dark clouds," "whiners," or "pants-pissers."

There have been posters here that have been stating ALL OFFSEASON LONG that the offense looked like it would suck, because the components of the lineup looked like they would suck ass.

There have been posters here that have been stating ALL OFFSEASON LONG that Ozzie's in-game decisionmaking and use of his roster has SUCKED ASS for years.


So why be surprised? Why state that "it's early?" The evidence has been right in front of us for YEARS. Giving Ozzie a more "versatile" lineup forces Ozzie to use the supposed "flexibility" it provides. Unfortunately, Ozzie has a proclivity for misusing the roster for seasons. [Thome v. lefties, Mackowiac, Erstad, etc...] The ****ty "DH-by-committee" was made up of pieces of **** for hitters.

Anyone with a 3-digit IQ could have seen this coming. Having said this, as a SOX fan, I will continue to cheer the players, and hope that the team somehow performs well above expectations.

voodoochile
04-09-2010, 11:54 AM
Yeah, I never said it's warmer in Minneapolis in April, I said it's often warmer. My point was that outdoor baseball in Minneapolis is not any bigger of a deal than it is in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc.

I wish I could. Sometimes all the anger just kills my enjoyment of the season.

Never ever ever enter a post game thread after two straight tough losses unless you do so with the ability to read everything as if it should be in teal and laugh...

voodoochile
04-09-2010, 11:56 AM
I understand - and find it very sad...I'm vowing from today on to not let other miserable people make me miserable. I'm going to laugh at their misery from now on - I'm not going to inherit it.

There ya go they can't live in your head if you don't let them (and I suggest a very high rent if you do) and look at the bright side, you don't have to live in theirs...:D:

RCWHITESOX
04-09-2010, 12:13 PM
I'm not sure if this was stated or not, but I just wanted to get this off my chest....

I'm still scratching my head that Ozzie elects to have Beckham bunt twice after Pierre led of the inning getting on. Why not let Pierre try to steal a base, hit and run, or something. Don't just give up Beckham to get Pierre in scoring position.

If Pierre had the opportunity to steal the base, Gordon could have bunted him over to 3B! Then Carlos comes up with an opportunity to knock him in with a sac fly. The first time it worked only because Carlos hit a home run. I just don't like that kind of baseball. That's NL play for the pitcher to give himself up in that spot not your 2 hole hitter!


I'm with you on this. Ozzie should have let Pierre try and steal or as you said maybe a hit and run. If Pierre stole 2B at worst Beckham could have bunted him over to 3B. The Indians would have probably walked the next two batters and the Sox would have had Jones up and the pressure on the Indians.

Paulwny
04-09-2010, 12:14 PM
So far?

Defense? Bad
Bullpen? Bad
Offense? Bad, weaker and less potent than last year.

I'm a true-believer Sox fan. I expect things to get better but the defense, BP and offense were concerns of mine before the season and remain so now.

As in previous years, some of the pitchers don't have a clue on how to hold a base runner and teams continue to steal at will.
Are some of our pitchers just stupid or can't Coop teach " holding a runner on base" ?

Thome_Fan
04-09-2010, 12:23 PM
What corps did you march? If you haven't caught it, my user name refers to my two years spent as a Madison Scout.

Seriously? That's awesome! I was center snare at Pioneer. I know, I know. But the drumline is still good. We actually were really close to beating Scouts in drums a few times this year. I tried out at Cavaliers for this summer, was one of the top three there and made callbacks, then found out I had to take some summer classes. SO bummed. I'll teach high school lines this summer and go age out there next year.

SI1020
04-09-2010, 12:23 PM
I don't see the negative comments about the ****ty offense as being "dark clouds," "whiners," or "pants-pissers."

There have been posters here that have been stating ALL OFFSEASON LONG that the offense looked like it would suck, because the components of the lineup looked like they would suck ass.

There have been posters here that have been stating ALL OFFSEASON LONG that Ozzie's in-game decisionmaking and use of his roster has SUCKED ASS for years.


So why be surprised? Why state that "it's early?" The evidence has been right in front of us for YEARS. Giving Ozzie a more "versatile" lineup forces Ozzie to use the supposed "flexibility" it provides. Unfortunately, Ozzie has a proclivity for misusing the roster for seasons. [Thome v. lefties, Mackowiac, Erstad, etc...] The ****ty "DH-by-committee" was made up of pieces of **** for hitters.

Anyone with a 3-digit IQ could have seen this coming. Having said this, as a SOX fan, I will continue to cheer the players, and hope that the team somehow performs well above expectations. I agree with this. Why continue over and over to pummel posters who have watched the team over several years and come to this conclusion? Reality isn't exactly contradicting it.

hawkjt
04-09-2010, 12:25 PM
:rolleyes:

Stop blaming the schedule.


I reserve the right to complain about the schedule...I am sick of these horribly,frigid April baseball games for the Sox.
And of course, the warm front is coming in next week as the Sox leave...
I know, I am whining, still...free country:?:

PorkChopExpress
04-09-2010, 12:44 PM
I don't know about that. Buehrle was great. Peavy was bad, both in his results (a decent team would have pounded him) and in only going 5. Floyd was alright, but he needs to give at least 7 innings. Now, Peavy is a great pitcher who will rebound, and Floyd will routinely go over 6 innings, so starting pitching is the least of my worries. I believe the Sox will have the best rotation in baseball this season. I am just saying none of our starters were robbed of wins in this series.

No one was robbed of wins other than by their own offense, but Floyd looked great to me last night. Unfortunately, he was forced to throw several extra pitches early on and had an inconsitent strike zone all night. So did the Indians pitchers, but the fact that Floyd only went six innings was definitely a result of questionable umpiring.

On that note, it also appeared to me that over the past two games, the Sox offense let the Indians pitchers off the hook way too often. They are too eager to swing the bats rather than let pitchers who are having trouble finding the strike zone walk them. Last night, maybe they felt they had to because who knew what was going to be called a strike, but the night before, they should have been making the pitchers pitch to them.

doublem23
04-09-2010, 12:53 PM
No one was robbed of wins other than by their own offense, but Floyd looked great to me last night. Unfortunately, he was forced to throw several extra pitches early on and had an inconsitent strike zone all night. So did the Indians pitchers, but the fact that Floyd only went six innings was definitely a result of questionable umpiring.

Floyd was also getting a bit squeezed by the ump last night, especially early. Considering it was 40 degrees out before you even considered the wind, it looked like he had solid command of his breaking pitches. If that Gavin Floyd shows up 25-30 times this season, he's going to have a fine year.

doublem23
04-09-2010, 12:56 PM
I reserve the right to complain about the schedule...I am sick of these horribly,frigid April baseball games for the Sox.
And of course, the warm front is coming in next week as the Sox leave...
I know, I am whining, still...free country:?:

Oh, I don't care if you complain about the cold, but let's stop pretending like all our offensive woes are because its chilly. The Sox outscored Cleveland 12-10 that series, they lost because (again) there is a complete lack of situational hitting. Somehow the Indians found a way to get the job done against better pitchers in the same cold.

Nellie_Fox
04-09-2010, 01:05 PM
I reserve the right to complain about the schedule...I am sick of these horribly,frigid April baseball games for the Sox. The warm-weather city teams have a right to not have a huge bulk of their home games scheduled in April, because even though the weather is warmer there, April games don't draw as well as summer games (school being out of session and all.) If they send all the cold-weather teams to warm-weather cities in April, that means the warm-weather teams will be on the road more in the summer to make up for it. Fair is fair.

Lip Man 1
04-09-2010, 01:06 PM
I did find it interesting that some of the players were quoted in the newspapers today talking about "pressing" with runners on base.

Pressing? After three games?

Seems like the hitting woes / the all or nothing attitude of the past few years has become ingrained in the minds of the guys who have been with the team a few years and the newcomers may have heard something about it from their trips to U.S. Cellular in the past.

Can't prove this but I believe the biggest reason for the issues is that guys know the reputation of the park, come here and start eyeing the fences for a home run.

Not saying its deliberate either, just happens. If true this is something Walker has to keep working on.

Lip

JB98
04-09-2010, 01:32 PM
I did find it interesting that some of the players were quoted in the newspapers today talking about "pressing" with runners on base.

Pressing? After three games?

Seems like the hitting woes / the all or nothing attitude of the past few years has become ingrained in the minds of the guys who have been with the team a few years and the newcomers may have heard something about it from their trips to U.S. Cellular in the past.

Can't prove this but I believe the biggest reason for the issues is that guys know the reputation of the park, come here and start eyeing the fences for a home run.

Not saying its deliberate either, just happens. If true this is something Walker has to keep working on.

Lip


That may not be a problem for this weekend series against Minnesota. Cleveland pitchers walked 19 in the three-game set and gave the White Sox opportunity after opportunity to score runs. Of course, the Sox hitters politely declined to take advantage with the usual inept execution.

Minnesota pitchers don't issue quite so many free passes, which means the Sox won't have quite as many baserunners. Since there won't be many baserunners, there will be no need to press with men on base.

Dick Allen
04-09-2010, 01:45 PM
I did not see last night's game, so I can only go by what I've read here, which I know is a tricky proposition. I make this same post once a year and will do so again. It seems that umpiring on balls and strikes continues to get worse with each passing year. I don't know what, if anything, can or will be done about it, but it has way too much influence on the outcomes of games than it should, and that is always scary to me.

mcfish
04-09-2010, 02:41 PM
I was scratching my head and screaming bloody murder at Ozzie's decision-making last night. I hope these two losses have a positive impact on his future game-time decisions. I'm just not in the mood for any more "comic relief."
Yeah, managers usually "get it" around their 7th season.

It's Dankerific
04-09-2010, 03:06 PM
Right. But it's a bit obnoxious, and also, the third game of the season. Lets give it another month or so to bitch about what a terrible manager Ozzie is.

Is this Ozzies first 3 games of managing the team? This isn't new.

I'm not going to smile while watching him do the same ****ty things expecting new happy results.

TheOldRoman
04-09-2010, 03:11 PM
I'm not going to smile while watching him do the same ****ty things expecting new happy results.Why not? You smiled watching Brian Anderson taking the same ****ty swings expecting new happy results.

soltrain21
04-09-2010, 03:14 PM
Why not? You smiled watching Brian Anderson taking the same ****ty swings expecting new happy results.

Uh oh. It's on like Donkey Kong.

It's Dankerific
04-09-2010, 03:19 PM
Why not? You smiled watching Brian Anderson taking the same ****ty swings expecting new happy results.

Theres a very particular place you can put your irrational hatred of Brian Anderson (and winning ballgames).

canOcorn
04-09-2010, 03:21 PM
Why not? You smiled watching Brian Anderson taking the same ****ty swings expecting new happy results.

Well, Ozzie has had a lot longer rope and continues to hang himself with ****ty move after ****ty move. My smile with Ozzie has been gone a long ****ing time. Brian's time was quite short compared to Ozzie.

doublem23
04-09-2010, 03:26 PM
Well, Ozzie has had a lot longer rope and continues to hang himself with ****ty move after ****ty move. My smile with Ozzie has been gone a long ****ing time. Brian's time was quite short compared to Ozzie.

Ozzie at least earned that long rope by winning a World Series. Anderson has had a grand total of 1 good game at the Major League level under his belt.

TheOldRoman
04-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Well, Ozzie has had a lot longer rope and continues to hang himself with ****ty move after ****ty move. My smile with Ozzie has been gone a long ****ing time. Brian's time was quite short compared to Ozzie.:lol: Yes, Ozzie has also won a world championship and two division titles with his rope. Meanwhile, Ozzie was a "moron" because Anderson wasn't playing despite putting up numbers that wouldn't have been impressive if he was a pitcher at that time. If only somebody would give poor Brian a chance.

Besides, my post was a witty play on his, damnit. Recognize that.

Nellie_Fox
04-09-2010, 03:32 PM
Besides, my post was a witty play on his, damnit. Recognize that.There is no joking about Brian Anderson. The unfairness of his treatment by three MLB clubs is a Greek tragedy.

canOcorn
04-09-2010, 03:39 PM
Ozzie at least earned that long rope by winning a World Series.

Let's sign Uribe, Timo and Willie. 2005 FTW!!!!!!!!

doublem23
04-09-2010, 03:46 PM
Let's sign Uribe, Timo and Willie. 2005 FTW!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

voodoochile
04-09-2010, 03:47 PM
Let's sign Uribe, Timo and Willie. 2005 FTW!!!!!!!!


Yes, because that's clearly the point people have been making...:rolleyes:

spawn
04-09-2010, 03:56 PM
Let's sign Uribe, Timo and Willie. 2005 FTW!!!!!!!!

:facepalm:

canOcorn
04-09-2010, 04:05 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

Yes, because that's clearly the point people have been making...:rolleyes:

What's the difference? Ozzie gets a free pass for life, but we kick Timo to the curb? Timo was a very small part along with Willie and Ozuna. Uribe a bit bigger. Some say we won in spite of Ozzie. How long is Ozzie's rope?

Mohoney
04-09-2010, 04:08 PM
Well these last two games have sucked, too many guys left on,

The bigger problem was that there weren't enough guys on in the first place.