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Jpgr91
03-17-2010, 01:39 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/03/17/washington/index.html?hpt=T2

Crazy. I do not see why a manager would not get suspended if they failed to pass a drug test.

eriqjaffe
03-17-2010, 01:47 PM
Wow, he's, like, the SECOND Ranger I would've expected that from.

seventyseven
03-17-2010, 01:52 PM
Can understand getting fined/suspended by the team, but not by the league.

Taliesinrk
03-17-2010, 08:04 PM
Can understand getting fined/suspended by the team, but not by the league.

Image.

Tragg
03-17-2010, 10:13 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/03/17/washington/index.html?hpt=T2

Crazy. I do not see why a manager would not get suspended if they failed to pass a drug test.

Didn't he work for Oakland.
I've never seen an organinzation with more players with needles hanging out of their arm. That organization must hand out syringes at spring training.

TDog
03-17-2010, 11:16 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/03/17/washington/index.html?hpt=T2

Crazy. I do not see why a manager would not get suspended if they failed to pass a drug test.

If cocaine were a legal performance-enhancing drug, I would raise the same question.

I think the reason a manager can be suspended for testing positive for cocaine should be obvious.

Dub25
03-17-2010, 11:38 PM
Wonder if he raided Josh Hamilton's stash during a game.

canOcorn
03-17-2010, 11:48 PM
:shrug:

Ozzie is a functional alcoholic.

DSpivack
03-17-2010, 11:59 PM
:shrug:

Ozzie is a functional alcoholic.

Last I checked, alcohol was legal.

canOcorn
03-18-2010, 12:34 AM
Last I checked, alcohol was legal.

Last I checked, hungover wasn't a good way to manage, whether it be alcohol or something else.

doublem23
03-18-2010, 12:46 AM
Last I checked, hungover wasn't a good way to manage, whether it be alcohol or something else.

True, but it's still not illegal to go out and get drunk.

doublem23
03-18-2010, 12:48 AM
I think the reason a manager can be suspended for testing positive for cocaine should be obvious.

Suspended? He should be fired. If you or I were to fail a drug test for cocaine at our jobs, we'd be lucky to get 5 minutes to clear our desks before security escorted us from the building.

Blueprint1
03-18-2010, 12:48 AM
:shrug:

Ozzie is a functional alcoholic.

How do you know he is an alcoholic? .

guillen4life13
03-18-2010, 03:03 AM
Ozzie has his fun but he's no alcoholic, according to my old roommate from freshman year who is close family friends with the Guillens (mainly Ibis).

And no, this isn't a stereotypical "I saw Kenny at the airport" claim that holds no water. My old roommate's dad actually helped hook Ozzie and Ibis up.

As for Ron Washington... that's really quite unfortunate.

guillen4life13
03-18-2010, 03:08 AM
True, but it's still not illegal to go out and get drunk.

From my experiences dealing with people, the worst addiction has to be alcoholism. I've never been around meth, but growing up in OP, heroin has a presence, and going to college in Miami is what you'd expect it to be as far as powder is concerned. Alcoholics are the worst, and it's in large part because they see what you just said as justification for their consumption. ****ing up is ****ing up, whether it's legal or not. And I say this as someone who aims to work in the beer industry.

Suspended? He should be fired. If you or I were to fail a drug test for cocaine at our jobs, we'd be lucky to get 5 minutes to clear our desks before security escorted us from the building.

Truf.
http://www.comedycentral.com/press/images/southpark/MrMackey.jpg
Drugs are bad, mmgay?

spawn
03-18-2010, 07:47 AM
According to the reports, when he was about to be tested, he went to Nolan Ryan and told him he was going to test positive for cocaine, and offered his resignation. The Rangers didn't accept it. Instead, he went to rehab and now gets tested 3 times a week. Was it stupid? Yes. Was it his first time doing it? Who knows. But he did admit to it before he tested positive, and has done waht he needed to do to assure his superiors it wouldn't happen again. I'm ok with no further action being taken, and that he gets to keep his job.

Craig Grebeck
03-18-2010, 07:49 AM
Didn't he work for Oakland.
I've never seen an organinzation with more players with needles hanging out of their arm. That organization must hand out syringes at spring training.
No needles in cocaine, hombre.

ewokpelts
03-18-2010, 09:24 AM
cocaine's a powerful drug.....

Sargeant79
03-18-2010, 09:44 AM
No needles in cocaine, hombre.

Not true. You can shoot cocaine...it's just not the most common way to use it.

Hitmen77
03-18-2010, 10:16 AM
I can only imagine the media firestorm that would ensue if it was Ozzie Guillen who tested positive for cocaine.

spawn
03-18-2010, 10:23 AM
I can only imagine the media firestorm that would ensue if it was Ozzie Guillen who tested positive for cocaine.
They would probably say that explains why he considered Dewayne Wise a staring CFer.

Rocky Soprano
03-18-2010, 10:47 AM
According to the reports, when he was about to be tested, he went to Nolan Ryan and told him he was going to be test positive for cocaine, and offered his resignation. The Rangers didn't accept it. Instead, he went to rehab and now gets tested 3 times a week. Was it stupid? Yes. Was it his first time doing it? Who knows. But he did admit to it before he tested positive, and has done waht he needed to do to assure his superiors it wouldn't happen again. I'm ok with no further action being taken, and that he gets to keep his job.

Completely agree with this. Everyone deserves a second chance.

seventyseven
03-18-2010, 10:49 AM
Suspended? He should be fired. If you or I were to fail a drug test for cocaine at our jobs, we'd be lucky to get 5 minutes to clear our desks before security escorted us from the building.

Law firms and banks will never do drug testing. If they did, they'd lose quite a few people....

Then again, maybe that's not such a bad thing.

thedudeabides
03-18-2010, 11:04 AM
Suspended? He should be fired. If you or I were to fail a drug test for cocaine at our jobs, we'd be lucky to get 5 minutes to clear our desks before security escorted us from the building.

Not trying to speak for where you work Doubs, but this has not been my experience at all. Most are given the opportunity to seek help, and go through a treatment program. I haven't heard of very many cases where people weren't given a second chance, and that includes jobs that require a CDL or people who work for the city and government. The Chicago police is one where I can think of that it would cause for immediate termination, but that hasn't been the case every time. Most places are sensitive to addiction and give an opportunity for treatment.

The Rangers made their choice, and I understand them giving him a second chance. At least he came clean and owned up to it. Now, unless they win the division this year I would imagine he will be gone. He isn't that popular with Nolan Ryan to begin with and this will follow him around for a while.

mzh
03-18-2010, 11:24 AM
Roger Clemens and Mark McGwire should take some thought from Washington, who handled a possible scandal the best way possibly: just fess up. From what I've heard, he explained the issue to Nolan Ryan before it even happened, and he managed to avoid a major, Bonds-esque scandal, and he got a second chance. This is the correct way to deal with things like this, IMO.

TheOldRoman
03-18-2010, 11:37 AM
Wonder if he raided Josh Hamilton's stash during a game. Really classless.

They would probably say that explains why he considered Dewayne Wise a staring CFer.:tongue: Come to think of it, I do remember a few people asking if he was on crack at the time.

I agree that the Rangers would have been within their rights to fire him, but it would have looked bad, especially considering it 1) it was his only positive test, 2) he had been tested regularly since he was hired as the Rangers' manager, and 3) he owned up to it. Also, it would look extremely hypocritical of the Rangers to fire him for cocaine use while employing and marketing Josh Hamilton.

kitekrazy
03-18-2010, 11:37 AM
Not trying to speak for where you work Doubs, but this has not been my experience at all. Most are given the opportunity to seek help, and go through a treatment program. I haven't heard of very many cases where people weren't given a second chance, and that includes jobs that require a CDL or people who work for the city and government. The Chicago police is one where I can think of that it would cause for immediate termination, but that hasn't been the case every time. Most places are sensitive to addiction and give an opportunity for treatment.

The Rangers made their choice, and I understand them giving him a second chance. At least he came clean and owned up to it. Now, unless they win the division this year I would imagine he will be gone. He isn't that popular with Nolan Ryan to begin with and this will follow him around for a while.

Any occupation that involves the safety of others usually involves termination.

thedudeabides
03-18-2010, 11:49 AM
Any occupation that involves the safety of others usually involves termination.

A lot less than I have come to find out. I don't really want to get into specific examples, because this thread will head in the wrong direction, but usually if you are willing to take the proper channels to get help, you will get a second chance. There are obvious exceptions, but it seems most occupations are willing to give a second chance.

The real difficulty is when the information is made public. That's usually when you see the terminations.

Which brings up another aside to this whole issue, why is it so many of these results from confidential testing are getting leaked? The MLB front office should really be taken to task for this.

PatK
03-18-2010, 11:55 AM
I had no idea they tested managers for anything.

spawn
03-18-2010, 12:00 PM
Which brings up another aside to this whole issue, why is it so many of these results from confidential testing are getting leaked? The MLB front office should really be taken to task for this.
Supposedly, a former Rangers employee was trying to blackmail the club:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/Ron-Washington-Blackmailed-Report-88399737.html

Tragg
03-18-2010, 12:11 PM
No needles in cocaine, hombre.
Ha!

Realizing that the nose is the most common method, you can mainline that **** just like you can heroin.

thedudeabides
03-18-2010, 12:55 PM
Supposedly, a former Rangers employee was trying to blackmail the club:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/Ron-Washington-Blackmailed-Report-88399737.html

Well, that's an interesting twist. I guess you can't blame MLB for that. :D:

TDog
03-18-2010, 01:33 PM
Suspended? He should be fired. If you or I were to fail a drug test for cocaine at our jobs, we'd be lucky to get 5 minutes to clear our desks before security escorted us from the building.

You're right, of course. I've had jobs where there was an understanding that if I tested positive for cocaine, I would be terminated (not that this was the reason I never did cocaine, even in the Cole Porter sense). To the point, I don't see how anyone can question that baseball is overreaching its authority by suspending a manager who tests positive for cocaine.

Tim Raines, of course, once that when he was with the Expos, he slid head first because he didn't want to break the cocaine vials in his back pocket. And Babe Ruth, who came up to the majors about the time that cocaine was criminalized in the U.S., probably did cocaine, considering its popularity at the sort of parties he frequented. Baseball players before 1910 openly used cocaine as a performance-enhancing drug. But Washington actually tested positive for an illegal drug, a circumstance that minimally would get most people I know fired.

I've had employers and supervisors who have come into work hung over without consequence. That really is irrelevant to the discussion.

ewokpelts
03-18-2010, 02:50 PM
update: washington has now admitted to amphetimine use while as a player.

gobears1987
03-18-2010, 05:25 PM
If you or I tested positive for cocaine during a company drug test, we'd be fired so fast.

spawn
03-18-2010, 05:26 PM
If you or I tested positive for cocaine during a company drug test, we'd be fired so fast.
If I admitted to it, my job wouldn't fire me. I've seen people here get a chance to go to rehab for drug abuse.

ewokpelts
03-18-2010, 05:29 PM
most companies are zero tolerance. my employer is one example.

Tragg
03-18-2010, 05:51 PM
From what I've see, companies are doing a lot less drug testing than they used to (pre employment testing is way, way down); but they are also a lot less tolerant of impaired employees.

pythons007
03-19-2010, 03:44 PM
update: washington has now admitted to amphetimine use while as a player.

Not only that he said he smoked weed as a player.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-rangers-washington-drugs

In the article Ron says:
“There’s a distinction between what people do in their youth vs. later in life,” he told a group of reporters, according to the Web site of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram."

From that portion it sounds to me like he thinks its ok to do because he was young. Is that the right statement to make when you're a coach of a major league baseball team made up of young people!?!?!:scratch:

Dub25
03-24-2010, 11:53 PM
[QUOTE=TheOldRoman;2447494]Really classless.

What are you, Hamilton's agent? It was a joke, geez.

TheVulture
03-25-2010, 12:22 AM
No needles in cocaine, hombre.

At least we know someone around here isn't shooting hard drugs!

seventyseven
03-25-2010, 10:19 AM
You're right, of course. I've had jobs where there was an understanding that if I tested positive for cocaine, I would be terminated (not that this was the reason I never did cocaine, even in the Cole Porter sense). To the point, I don't see how anyone can question that baseball is overreaching its authority by suspending a manager who tests positive for cocaine.


Because he's not an employee of the league? :scratch: