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havelj
03-03-2010, 05:16 PM
I believe that Rob Gallas was given his marketing job with the Sox due to this incident back in 1980. True? Regardless, I never thought he was good for the Sox and terrible at his job. What a weasel.

http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/screen.php?c=2868&p=1

Lip Man 1
03-03-2010, 06:27 PM
Rich Lindberg was one of the folks who pulled Jimmy off Gallas.

Gallas was in my opinion awful at his job. He was taciturn, spiteful, basically unimaginative and felt fans were making his job difficult instead of embracing them and their ideas.

I mentioned in my interview with Brooks Boyer, who replaced him, that I had communicated with Gallas more than a few times over the years and received one reply in that time, Brooks said that he thought that was "unbelieveable" (direct quote) that the marketing guy only got back to a fan once.

Gallas was basically told to resign or he would be fired by JR. Hiring Brooks and getting rid of this moron was one of the smartest things JR ever did.

Lip

havelj
03-03-2010, 06:38 PM
Hiring Brooks and getting rid of this moron was one of the smartest things JR ever did.
Lip

Thanks for all the info, Lip. I had a feeling you might be able to add more to this. The Sox were behind the 8-ball as far as fans and this city goes for years and Brooks had done a great job (the 2005 season didn't hurt-but look at how the Hawks are doing with their perfect storm.)

bridgeportcopper
03-03-2010, 07:32 PM
That was something else. I knew Piersall was troubled, but being only 8 at the time, I didn't recall that episode. That 7 minute sportscast really harkened back to the way things were before SportsCenter.

Brian26
03-03-2010, 09:31 PM
The real story here is how Wayne Norhagen butchered that ball in foul territory and turned Ross Baumgarten's history-making no-hitter into a completely forgettable one-hitter.

Mike Leiderman is still around town. He produced the Comcast SportsNet Sports Awards show this year.

Woofer
03-03-2010, 09:48 PM
I always love to watch these old videos from the old park. Ross was 2-12 with a 3.44 ERA in 1980. I don't remember him being that bad, he also had 3 complete games that year.

slavko
03-03-2010, 10:14 PM
I always love to watch these old videos from the old park. Ross was 2-12 with a 3.44 ERA in 1980. I don't remember him being that bad, he also had 3 complete games that year.

2-12 3.44 that's snakebit. Always good to see Old Comiskey. Leiderman too. Not jocky enough for Joe Six-Pack, I guess.

gregoriop
03-03-2010, 11:37 PM
I don't understand how Rob Gallas got his job that way. He got into a fight with someone? How does that turn into a job?

TommyJohn
03-04-2010, 09:24 AM
I don't understand how Rob Gallas got his job that way. He got into a fight with someone? How does that turn into a job?
I do not think the two are related. He was attacked in 1980, he was hired by a different owner in 1989. I have no idea how people are connecting the two. I would think Veeck would have either hired him or paid him off back in 1980. Did he suddenly decide to sue Reinsdorf in 1989? Or did a lawsuit take that long to go through the courts before the Sox offered the job as a settlement? I absolutely do not get it.

Harry Chappas
03-04-2010, 10:06 AM
If the Hawks resurrection has taught us anything, it is to never underestimate the importance of a good marketing pro. I feel like Gallas did nothing to enhance the Sox image during his tenure. He got clowned by the northsiders and only fueled the 'little brother' perception. Brooks seems to "get it" and is slowing making U.S. Cellular appealing to casual fans w/families.

FielderJones
03-04-2010, 10:48 AM
I remember this very clearly. Normally during the post-game, Jimmy would give the out-of-town scores as they were put up on screen. On this day, the out-of-town scores were still there while in the background, some engineer with a sense of humor played the instrumental parts of Pink Floyd's Run Like Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySO-gryuO-c). :D:

SI1020
03-04-2010, 12:27 PM
2-12 3.44 that's snakebit. Always good to see Old Comiskey. Leiderman too. Not jocky enough for Joe Six-Pack, I guess. Ross Baumgarten, Chris Knapp, Ken Kravec (I really liked him), Jack Kucek, Mike Proly and Rich Wortham. All young Sox pitchers from that era that had promise but didn't quite pan out. You could add Steve Stone and Steve Trout to that list. Stone of course had the one big year with the Orioles and Trout had a little bit of success with the Cubs.

WhiteSox5187
03-04-2010, 12:53 PM
If the Hawks resurrection has taught us anything, it is to never underestimate the importance of a good marketing pro. I feel like Gallas did nothing to enhance the Sox image during his tenure. He got clowned by the northsiders and only fueled the 'little brother' perception. Brooks seems to "get it" and is slowing making U.S. Cellular appealing to casual fans w/families.

Really the biggest factor in the Hawks turn around is that they are now winning. When the Sox were winning in the early 1990s with a brand new ballpark to boot, they were drawing quite well regardless of Gallas' shortcomings as a PR man. The aftermath of the strike and the Sox sudden dropoff in the mid to late 1990s really highlighted Gallas' short comings...but to be honest, I'm not sure even the likes of Brooks could have successfully marketed the teams from 1997 (especially in the wake of the White Flag Trade), 1998, or 1999.

havelj
03-04-2010, 01:17 PM
Ross Baumgarten, Chris Knapp, Ken Kravec (I really liked him), Jack Kucek, Mike Proly and Rich Wortham. All young Sox pitchers from that era that had promise but didn't quite pan out. You could add Steve Stone and Steve Trout to that list.

Roland Hemond turned most of those guys into other good players which helped to the success in 1983. Some solid trades by Roland:
Ross Baumgarten (Vance Law)
Chris Knapp (Dotson)
Ken Kravec (Dennis Lamp)
Rich Wortham (Tony Bernazard)
Steve Trout (Scott Fletcher, Dick Tidrow)

Lip Man 1
03-04-2010, 02:34 PM
Roland's best trades from my interview with him:

Roland Hemond’s Best Trades: (in chronological order...)

1. November 30, 1971: White Sox send Ken Berry, Syd O’Brien and Billy Wynne to California for catcher Tom Egan, starting pitcher Tom Bradley and outfielder Jay Johnstone. (Author’s Note: Bradley would win fifteen games with a sub three ERA in both 1971 and 1972. Egan served as a very good backup to Ed Herrmann and Johnstone added speed, pinch hitting abilities and a crazy character to keep the clubhouse relaxed.)

2. December 2, 1971: White Sox send Tommy John and Steve Huntz to Los Angeles for first baseman Dick Allen. (Author’s Note: The trade that saved the franchise. Allen won the MVP award in 1972 leading the Sox to a near division championship. His ability to hit for power and average was unmatched on the South Side for years. Three time All Star.)

3. December 2, 1971: White Sox send Rich McKinney to the Yankees for starting pitcher Stan Bahnsen. (Author’s Note: Bahnsen would win 54 games in three and a half seasons in Chicago including 21 in 1972.)

4. November 19, 1972: White Sox send Tom Bradley to San Francisco for outfielder Ken Henderson and pitcher Steve Stone. (Author’s Note: Henderson was a Gold Glove winning, power hitting center fielder while Stone added depth to the pitching staff. Bradley never regained the form that he showed with the Sox and was out of baseball by 1975.)

5. August 14, 1973: White Sox acquire starting pitcher Jim Kaat on waivers from Minnesota. (Author’s Note: Kaat was a two time twenty game winner for the Sox in 1974 and 1975. Made the All Star Team in 1975. Won 45 games in two and a quarter years in Chicago.

6. June 15, 1975: White Sox send pitchers Stan Bahnsen and ‘Skip’ Pitlock to Oakland for outfielder Chet Lemon and pitcher Dave Hamilton. (Author’s Note: Lemon would turn into one of the top center fielders in baseball with the Sox making the All Star Team twice. Hamilton was a regular contributor to the 1977 White Sox team with four wins and nine saves.)

7. December 11, 1975: White Sox send third baseman Bill Melton and pitcher Steve Dunning to California for first baseman Jim Spencer and outfielder Morris Nettles. (Author’s Note: Melton had a bad back and had worn out his welcome getting into a shouting match in a Milwaukee hotel lobby with broadcaster Harry Caray. Spencer meanwhile won a Gold Glove for his defensive prowess in 1977 saving many errors. He also had 18 home runs and 69 RBI’s for the South Side Hit Men, twice driving in eight runs in a game.)

8. April 4, 1977: White Sox send shortstop Bucky Dent to the Yankees for outfielder Oscar Gamble, pitchers LaMarr Hoyt and Bob Polinsky and cash.(Author’s Note: The deal was made because the Sox could not afford to resign Dent. Gamble blasted 31 home runs for the South Side Hit Men. Hoyt would become a very good starting pitcher winning the Cy Young Award after going 24-10 in 1983.)

9. July 10, 1979: White Sox send pitcher Jack Kucek to the Phillies for infielder Jim Morrison. (Author’s Note: When the Sox were being rebuilt in the early 80's Morrison provided stability and power at either second or third base. Had three seasons of double figure home run totals.)

10. December 12, 1980: White Sox send pitcher ‘Tex’ Wortham to Montreal for second baseman Tony Bernazard. (Author’s Note: Bernazard was a switch hitter with speed and the ability to hit to all fields. He was a good second baseman in his two and a half years with the Sox. Hemond then sent him to Seattle for Julio Cruz a move that crystalized the 1983 team.)

11. January 25, 1983: White Sox send pitchers Steve Trout and Warren Brusstar to the Cubs for infielders Scott Fletcher and Pat Tabler along with pitchers Dick Tidrow and Randy Martz. (Author’s Note: Perhaps Hemond’s greatest deal. Roland used the free agent compensation rules that were in use at the time to inquire about getting Cubs future Hall Of Fame pitcher Ferguson Jenkins whom they left unprotected. Cubs G.M. Dallas Green got word of it and quickly made this deal. Part of it was the promise by Hemond that the Sox would not take Jenkins. Fletcher and Tidrow were important parts of the 1983 team. Tabler was then traded to Cleveland for Jerry Dybzinski adding another part to the club.)

12. January 20, 1984: White Sox select starting pitcher Tom Seaver from the free agent compensation pool. (Author’s Note: The future Hall Of Famer would win 32 games in two years with the Sox including his 300th beating the Yankees 4-1 on August 4, 1985.)

13. December 6, 1984: White Sox send pitcher LaMarr Hoyt and two minor leaguers to San Diego for pitchers Tim Lollar and Bill Long along with infielder/outfielder Luis Salazar and shortstop Ozzie Guillen. (Author’s Note: Hoyt would see his career quickly end after the 1985 season due to substance abuse. Lollar and Salazar helped the 1985 team to a winning record but Guillen would become the Rookie Of The Year and win a Gold Glove in 1990 along with becoming a two time All Star.)

Roland Hemond’s Best Deal That Never Happened:

As part of the major rebuilding effort after the disaster of 1970, Hemond had worked out a trade with the Washington Senators that would have sent left handed relief specialist Darold Knowles to the White Sox for relief pitcher Wilbur Wood. However Wood was holding out and never signed a 1971 contract. Therefore the Sox couldn’t deal him until he did. By the time Wood signed the Senators were no longer interested.

It turned out to be a major blessing for the Sox.

Wood would blossom into one of the top starting pitchers of the decade, winning twenty or more games four times and being named to the All Star Team three times. He would be named a member of the Sox Team Of The Century in 1999. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you never make!

Lip

PalehosePlanet
03-04-2010, 03:53 PM
I'm not defending Gallas here, I agree that he did a terrible job overall, but he did have one genius moment in creating the "Turn back the Clock" promotion in 1990.

In the years to follow this concept/promotion was ripped off by pretty much every team in the majors.

Lip Man 1
03-04-2010, 04:15 PM
Hal Vickery (Torn Labrum) has written that the idea wasn't Gallas' but came from a child / fan.

Don't know if that's true or not, if so, it would have been nice to give the kid a "shout out" or something because it was a great idea.

Lip

ewokpelts
03-04-2010, 04:48 PM
Hal Vickery (Torn Labrum) has written that the idea wasn't Gallas' but came from a child / fan.

Don't know if that's true or not, if so, it would have been nice to give the kid a "shout out" or something because it was a great idea.

Lipand johhny mccub use dhis daughter as market research. not the first time this has been done. wont be the last.

hawkjt
03-04-2010, 04:55 PM
I will never forget my only contact with Gallas....I called because the Sox had switched to AM-1000 and my many sox friends living out west in western ill and iowa were pissed becasue they could not get the games on radio anymore like when it was on WMAQ 670...which had a much better signal to the west...they asked me to call Gallas and ask him if they would switch back....I got Gallas on the phone,told him of their dilemma, and his response? ''Sox don't have any fans outside the AM 1000 signal''

That signal went mostly east over the lake...I thought it was a defeatist crappy answer...never liked the guy after that.

Lip Man 1
03-04-2010, 05:12 PM
Hawk:

That was typical Gallas...arrogant, unimaginative, hated fans.

Lip

SI1020
03-04-2010, 09:26 PM
I will never forget my only contact with Gallas....I called because the Sox had switched to AM-1000 and my many sox friends living out west in western ill and iowa were pissed becasue they could not get the games on radio anymore like when it was on WMAQ 670...which had a much better signal to the west...they asked me to call Gallas and ask him if they would switch back....I got Gallas on the phone,told him of their dilemma, and his response? ''Sox don't have any fans outside the AM 1000 signal''

That signal went mostly east over the lake...I thought it was a defeatist crappy answer...never liked the guy after that. As a kid I grew up listening to the Commander Bob Elson announce White Sox games on AM 1000 WCFL. Their signal boomed powerful and clear in an easterly direction and I could often listen to White Sox night games while visiting relatives back east. Often times the sound quality was almost as good as it would have been at home. WCFL did not carry as well to the south and west and I often thought of that as a major reason the Cubs always had so many fans downstate and in Iowa. Fans were able to tune in WGN just fine in those areas to listen to night games.

TornLabrum
03-04-2010, 09:44 PM
Hal Vickery (Torn Labrum) has written that the idea wasn't Gallas' but came from a child / fan.

Don't know if that's true or not, if so, it would have been nice to give the kid a "shout out" or something because it was a great idea.

Lip

The story I heard was that the suggestion was made by a 12-year-old at a meeting of Sox Fans on Deck that Gallas attended. The story came from someone who said he was at the meeting.

JNS
03-04-2010, 11:49 PM
Roland's best trades from my interview with him:

Roland Hemondís Best Trades: (in chronological order...)


2. December 2, 1971: White Sox send Tommy John and Steve Huntz to Los Angeles for first baseman Dick Allen. (Authorís Note: The trade that saved the franchise. Allen won the MVP award in 1972 leading the Sox to a near division championship. His ability to hit for power and average was unmatched on the South Side for years. Three time All Star.)


Roland Hemondís Best Deal That Never Happened:

As part of the major rebuilding effort after the disaster of 1970, Hemond had worked out a trade with the Washington Senators that would have sent left handed relief specialist Darold Knowles to the White Sox for relief pitcher Wilbur Wood. However Wood was holding out and never signed a 1971 contract. Therefore the Sox couldnít deal him until he did. By the time Wood signed the Senators were no longer interested.

It turned out to be a major blessing for the Sox.

Wood would blossom into one of the top starting pitchers of the decade, winning twenty or more games four times and being named to the All Star Team three times. He would be named a member of the Sox Team Of The Century in 1999. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you never make!

Lip


Thanks for the fantastic compendium of Hemond's more significant deals. A truly classy guy and a helluva GM. It too bad he wasn't operating with the resources of a Brian Cashman or even KW.

Between John Allyn and Veeck he was working for one of the poorest if not the poorest franchise in the game. Which is clearly the reason Veeck offered him the job in exchange for not suing; he was too broke to settle.

BainesHOF
03-05-2010, 02:20 AM
Hal Vickery (Torn Labrum) has written that the idea wasn't Gallas' but came from a child / fan.

Don't know if that's true or not, if so, it would have been nice to give the kid a "shout out" or something because it was a great idea.

Lip

I heard a similar story, but that the stealing of the idea was a more blatant theft from a young employee of the club.

TommyJohn
03-05-2010, 08:43 AM
The story I heard was that the suggestion was made by a 12-year-old at a meeting of Sox Fans on Deck that Gallas attended. The story came from someone who said he was at the meeting.

I heard a similar story, but that the stealing of the idea was a more blatant theft from a young employee of the club.
So really the only evidence we have is "I heard from someone who heard from someone who knows someone who heard it from the guy who was there."

DumpJerry
03-05-2010, 09:49 AM
The big story about this is that Gallas and Liederman were allowed to wear those clothes in Comiskey post Disco-Demolition.

Steelrod
03-05-2010, 11:06 AM
So really the only evidence we have is "I heard from someone who heard from someone who knows someone who heard it from the guy who was there."
It was Chuck Adams' son who came up with it.

Bump34
03-05-2010, 11:22 AM
It was Chuck Adams' son who came up with it.

I second that... Chuck was the VP of PR at the time...

ewokpelts
03-05-2010, 11:56 AM
gallas made the move to the current uniforms. that alone makes his career with the sox.

Viva Medias B's
03-05-2010, 10:53 PM
gallas made the move to the current uniforms. that alone makes his career with the sox.

He also was responsible for "Turn Back the Clock" and SoxFest, IIRC. In spite of that, I like Brooks Boyer so much better than Rob Gallas. I heard Piersall once say on the Score that Gallas "has the personality of a fart," and I cannot disagree with that.

Brian26
03-05-2010, 11:00 PM
He also was responsible for "Turn Back the Clock" and SoxFest, IIRC.

Not to bust your chops, but did you take the time to even read one post in this thread before Ewok's?

Viva Medias B's
03-05-2010, 11:08 PM
Not to bust your chops, but did you take the time to even read one post in this thread before Ewok's?

I did go through the thread, but the previous post about Turn Back the Clock was an oversight on my part.

TornLabrum
03-06-2010, 12:11 AM
So really the only evidence we have is "I heard from someone who heard from someone who knows someone who heard it from the guy who was there."

You would know the person who made the claim. He is a reliable source.

sox84
03-06-2010, 06:33 PM
I will never forget my only contact with Gallas....I called because the Sox had switched to AM-1000 and my many sox friends living out west in western ill and iowa were pissed becasue they could not get the games on radio anymore like when it was on WMAQ 670...which had a much better signal to the west...they asked me to call Gallas and ask him if they would switch back....I got Gallas on the phone,told him of their dilemma, and his response? ''Sox don't have any fans outside the AM 1000 signal''

That signal went mostly east over the lake...I thought it was a defeatist crappy answer...never liked the guy after that.

I got a very similar response from Gallas when suggesting that they target central Illinois more than they were doing instead of just conceding the area to the Cardinals and Cubs.