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JohnTucker0814
02-15-2010, 04:44 PM
I was looking through some stats in my SIM baseball league and came accross the '05 Astros. I didn't remember how great the top 3 of their rotation was statistically.

Look at the 2000's top 3 pitchers on staffs for WS Teams -

2000:
Roger Clemens 13-8 3.70
Andy Pettitte 19-9 4.35
Orlando Hernandez 12-13 4.51
Mike Hampton 15-10 3.14
Al Leiter 16-8 3.20
Glendon Rusch 11-11 4.01

2001:
Randy Johnson 21-6 2.49
Curt Schilling 22-6 2.98
Brian Anderson 4-9 5.20
Mike Mussina 17-11 3.15
Roger Clemens 20-3 3.51
Andy Pettitte 15-10 3.99

2002:
Jarrod Washburn 18-6 3.15
Ramon Ortiz 15-9 3.77
John Lackey 9-4 3.66
Kirk Rueter 14-8 3.23
Russ Ortiz 14-10 3.61
Jason Schmidt 13-8 3.45

2003:
Josh Beckett 9-8 3.04
Dontrelle Willis 14-6 3.30
Brad Penny 14-10 4.13
Mike Mussina 17-8 3.40
Roger Clemens 17-9 3.91
Andy Pettitte 21-8 4.02

2004:
Curt Schilling 21-6 3.26
Pedro Martinez 16-9 3.90
Derek Lowe 14-12 5.42
Matt Morris 15-10 4.72
Jason Marquis 15-7 3.71
Chris Carpenter 15-5 3.46

2005:
Mark Buehrle 16-8 3.12
Jon Garland 18-10 3.50
Jose Contreras 15-7 3.61
Roy Oswalt 20-12 2.94
Roger Clemens 13-8 1.87
Andy Pettitte 17-9 2.39

2006:
Chris Carpenter 15-8 3.09
Jason Marquis 14-16 6.02
Jeff Suppan 12-7 4.12
Justin Verlander 17-9 3.63
Kenny Rogers 17-8 3.84
Nate Robertson 13-13 3.84

2007:
Josh Beckett 20-7 3.27
Daisuke Matsuzaka 15-12 4.40
Time Wakefield 17-12 4.76
Jeff Francis 17-9 4.22
Aaron Cook 8-7 4.12
Josh Fogg 10-9 4.94

2008:
Cole Hamels 14-10 3.09
Jamie Moyer 16-7 3.71
Brett Myers 10-13 4.55
James Shields 14-8 3.56
Matt Garza 11-9 3.70
Andy Sonnanstine 13-9 4.38

2009:
CC Sabathia - 19-8 3.37
AJ Burnett - 13-9 4.04
Andy Pettitte - 14-8 4.16
Cliff Lee - 22-3 2.54
Joe Blanton - 12-8 4.05
Cole Hamels - 10-11 4.32

All 3 of the top guys for Houston were sub 3.00 ERA guys! While the combo of Schilling/Johnson was great in 01, they didn't have 3 guys like Houston did. I think our team should get more credit for knocking off a starting pitching staff like we did!

Don't mean to bring up old stuff, but I guess I didn't realize how great HOU starting pitching was.

JT

oeo
02-15-2010, 06:11 PM
Yup, that's why we stood no chance, remember?

Rohan
02-15-2010, 06:33 PM
And we still managed to score 20 runs in four games :D:

DumpJerry
02-15-2010, 06:40 PM
And we still managed to score 20 runs in four games :D:
NL pitchers...........:tongue:

JB98
02-15-2010, 06:52 PM
Yup, that's why we stood no chance, remember?

Did people really say that at the time? I remember feeling pretty confident going into the World Series. Seemed like most people were picking the Sox.

I was pissing my pants like quite a few people were in Sept. of 2005, but I was feeling pretty good about the Sox chances once they rolled over Boston in the first round.

LoveYourSuit
02-15-2010, 06:56 PM
Did people really say that at the time? I remember feeling pretty confident going into the World Series. Seemed like most people were picking the Sox.

I was pissing my pants like quite a few people were in Sept. of 2005, but I was feeling pretty good about the Sox chances once they rolled over Boston in the first round.


Yeah, I agree. I don't recall anyone (experts) shutting us out in having no prayer in that series.

Meanwhile the Boston series, different story.

esbrechtel
02-15-2010, 07:13 PM
I was ecstatic when we didn't have to play the Cards in 2005, I really thought they were going to be next to impossible to beat. I was really confident however, that we could handle the Astros.

LoveYourSuit
02-15-2010, 07:18 PM
I was ecstatic when we didn't have to play the Cards in 2005, I really thought they were going to be next to impossible to beat. I was really confident however, that we could handle the Astros.

I think beating Boston and the entire Circus that came with it, was like getting a giant elephant of our backs. Nothing was impossible.


My question is, how the hell did Old Face Paul Byrd beat us in game 1 of the ALCS :scratch: That's a huge head-scratcher.

oeo
02-15-2010, 08:19 PM
Did people really say that at the time? I remember feeling pretty confident going into the World Series. Seemed like most people were picking the Sox.

I was pissing my pants like quite a few people were in Sept. of 2005, but I was feeling pretty good about the Sox chances once they rolled over Boston in the first round.

Sox fans were confident. We blew through the first two rounds. The rest of the nation was not still did not seem to believe that the Sox were the real deal.

Yeah, I agree. I don't recall anyone (experts) shutting us out in having no prayer in that series.

Meanwhile the Boston series, different story.

The general feeling seemed to be the Sox didn't stand a chance. I think only Gammons picked the Sox to win on ESPN.

GoGoCrede
02-15-2010, 09:30 PM
I think beating Boston and the entire Circus that came with it, was like getting a giant elephant of our backs. Nothing was impossible.


My question is, how the hell did Old Face Paul Byrd beat us in game 1 of the ALCS :scratch: That's a huge head-scratcher.

On short rest to boot!

C-Dawg
02-15-2010, 10:17 PM
I think our team should get more credit for knocking off a starting pitching staff like we did!



Everyone knows the Sox cheated and/or had a lot of bad calls go their way!

Thatguyoverthere
02-15-2010, 11:13 PM
For as mediocre as that 2005 offense was throughout the season, they really turned it on in the playoffs. The Sox were a force both on offense and with their pitching in the postseason. You kind of have to be, to go 11-1.

twinslayer
02-15-2010, 11:29 PM
I was ecstatic when we didn't have to play the Cards in 2005, I really thought they were going to be next to impossible to beat. I was really confident however, that we could handle the Astros.

Same here. I knew we could be anyone, and i mean ANYONE, in the league, and the cards were the only team who could match up well with the sox. It all pieced together though =]

doublem23
02-15-2010, 11:38 PM
My question is, how the hell did Old Face Paul Byrd beat us in game 1 of the ALCS :scratch: That's a huge head-scratcher.

Sox had a 4-day lay-off between the ALDS and ALCS. They looked rusty at the plate in Games 1 & 2.

soxinem1
02-16-2010, 11:12 AM
Don't mean to bring up old stuff, but I guess I didn't realize how great HOU starting pitching was. JT

I does deserve mention. That was a good top three.

The kicker is that the #5 guy with the near 5.00 ERA pitched the best game for them. Backe gave it his all and we couldn't touch him.

Remember though, Clemens was hurt, and Garner sat on his ass like Dusty Baker when that one inning against Oswalt transpired and didn't even go out once to talk to him.

And yes, just as easilly, we could have been whitewashed in that series.

But the Baseball Gods, Lady Luck, and a hungry team pushed us across!!:bandance::bandance::bandance:

Sox had a 4-day lay-off between the ALDS and ALCS. They looked rusty at the plate in Games 1 & 2.

And LAAAA was at the peak of a three games in three days in three cities adrenaline rush.

And Byrd has ALWAYS been tough against us.

But we got him a few days later, didn't we??

C-Dawg
02-16-2010, 12:11 PM
Sox had a 4-day lay-off between the ALDS and ALCS. They looked rusty at the plate in Games 1 & 2.

They sure did, and on the bases too. Remember Rowand being called out at the plate? I forgot if it was ruled a triple or what, but I always wonder how that game would have been different had he held safely at third.

Zisk77
02-16-2010, 01:21 PM
i live in the St.Louis Metro area. Sports radio know it alls here said that all the series' were a toss up. The only one they could predict with total confidence was the Red sox over the white sox because the bosox just had too much power.(Bos hit 197 hrs chicago 200).

asindc
02-16-2010, 01:29 PM
i live in the St.Louis Metro area. Sports radio know it alls here said that all the series' were a toss up. The only one they could predict with total confidence was the Red sox over the white sox because the bosox just had too much power.(Bos hit 197 hrs chicago 200).

My Cubs fan cousin said the same thing until I pointed out that the Sox hit more homers than Boston and had seven 15+ HR guys in the lineup.

russ99
02-16-2010, 08:09 PM
Not only was Clemens hurt, but Bagwell was a shell of himself playing DH only with the shoulder injury that would end his career.

Besides, didn't all the games pretty much go down to the wire?

We did sweep, but it could have been tougher.

chisox77
02-18-2010, 07:54 PM
I just remember the entire 2005 post season as being surreal, exciting, and fulfilling! Any way we analyze it, the White Sox went 11-1, sweeping the defending champions and the National League champions along the way. Two of their opponents won 95 games during the regular season, while the Astros had a pretty strong pitching staff and played brilliantly to overcome a 16-30 start.

That's great stuff - I could not have dreamed it to be better.

Rdy2PlayBall
02-18-2010, 08:10 PM
I just remember the entire 2005 post season as being surreal, exciting, and fulfilling! Any way we analyze it, the White Sox went 11-1, sweeping the defending champions and the National League champions along the way. Two of their opponents won 95 games during the regular season, while the Astros had a pretty strong pitching staff and played brilliantly to overcome a 16-30 start.

That's great stuff - I could not have dreamed it to be better.12-0 :scratch:

=P ...I hope they win again soon, I wasn't too young to remember, but I won't say I remember it pitch by pitch like I would now if they won it again.

cws05champ
02-19-2010, 10:13 AM
There are a lot of dominant stats from the White Sox 2005 season and post season, but the one thing that sticks out to me is when I see the Bullpen innings in the ALCS:
Angels: 20 IP
White Sox: 2/3 IP

EastCoastSoxFan
02-19-2010, 10:31 AM
2005 was our "reverse Murphy's law" year -- just about everything that could go right, did go right...