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grenda12
01-28-2010, 10:23 PM
Anyone do that this year?

hi im skot
01-28-2010, 10:34 PM
Ranger, I heard some things from some of the Grandstand crew...

BubblingCalderon
01-28-2010, 10:41 PM
I'm assuming the fantasy camp Bobblehead tradition ended this year seeing as the generous White Sox organisation took official control of the event.

stevemcstud
01-28-2010, 11:53 PM
Isn't there an age restriction on this?

parlaycard
01-30-2010, 08:29 AM
I'm assuming the fantasy camp Bobblehead tradition ended this year seeing as the generous White Sox organisation took official control of the event.

They don't give you a bobblehead, after shelling out what, $5,000?

They should make you a personal one of you, in a Sox uniform if you attend.

jacobp
02-09-2010, 11:06 AM
I've attended the last four White Sox fantasy camps. They did not give out a bobblehead this year. And that was unfortunate, but I will tell you that from my perspective this year's camp was the best of the four that I attended. If you have any questions, let me know. (And its 4200 not 5K with single occupancy rooms; compare that with the Indians camp which is $4900 for double occupancy rooms and is largely a camper pitch camp as opposed to a coach pitch camp).

salty99
02-09-2010, 11:08 AM
Why was this one the best out of the 4?

grenda12
02-09-2010, 11:13 AM
I've attended the last four White Sox fantasy camps. They did not give out a bobblehead this year. And that was unfortunate, but I will tell you that from my perspective this year's camp was the best of the four that I attended. If you have any questions, let me know. (And its 4200 not 5K with single occupancy rooms; compare that with the Indians camp which is $4900 for double occupancy rooms and is largely a camper pitch camp as opposed to a coach pitch camp).

I wonder why no bobblehead this year. What was your gift that you received?

jacobp
02-09-2010, 11:18 AM
First, it was at Glendale, which is significant upgrade to Tucson and there is a lot more to do in Glendale than Tucson. Second, there was more of a baseball focus to the camp. This is hard to explain, but there was a lot more talk of baseball issues than some of the shennigans that occurred in the past. We had visits from Konerko, Steve Stone, and DJ and they were all very forthright and accessible. I think they enjoyed it as much as we did. We also had two significant additions to the coaching staff: Ventura and Skowron. Ventura was one of my coaches and he is one of the funniest guys I've ever met. And Moose was great: a real throwback and an incredible repository of stories (remember he was part of the Mantle, Maris and Moose 61 Yankees).

There were just a series of new and different aspects of this camp that made it stand out for me. Perhaps others would disagree. Its true that there was no bobblehead and there were almost no gifts (in the past, there would be a new gift, like a Sox fleece, Sox polo shirt, etc., greeting you in your locker almost every day). I love the camp because of the friendships I've made with the coaches and campers over the year, and for the opportunity to put on the Sox uniform and play as much baseball as possible.

I highly highly recommend the camp to anyone of any skill level as I firmly believe the camp will only get better over time. Bob Grim and Brooks Boyer were both at the camp and I had a few conversations with Bob (who is responsible for the camp) about some of my thoughts on the camp and I believe he took them to heart. So I hope things will only get better.

I hope this answers your question.

salty99
02-09-2010, 11:20 AM
Yes it sounds like a great time!

jacobp
02-09-2010, 11:23 AM
My guess is that there was no bobblehead because of two reasons: cost and because giving the bobblehead was associated as being a part of the "old camp." Both reasons are silly and I hope that they reinstitute this tradition next year. I will tell you that when they announced the bobblehead "winner" and the coach went up to accept the award, you could tell that they were really touched by the award. I saw Greg Walker, Chief Salas and Thigpen receive their bobbleheads and each one was very moved by the gesture, and that in turn, was very moving to us campers. The next day each camper gets the same bobblehead which we then routinely get signed by the coach.

The ONLY gifts this year were pretty weak: two oversized Fantasy camp tshirts and incredibly huge duffle bag that is so large that I don't think you could lift it if you filled it up. Rather useless gifts. Each camper also gets a ball signed by the coaches.

LoveYourSuit
02-09-2010, 11:25 AM
I've attended the last four White Sox fantasy camps. They did not give out a bobblehead this year. And that was unfortunate, but I will tell you that from my perspective this year's camp was the best of the four that I attended. If you have any questions, let me know. (And its 4200 not 5K with single occupancy rooms; compare that with the Indians camp which is $4900 for double occupancy rooms and is largely a camper pitch camp as opposed to a coach pitch camp).


So you can fly the wife or gf on your own dime and she could stay in your room?

Or did the Sox put rules on that?

jacobp
02-09-2010, 11:31 AM
You COULD do exactly what you suggest. Some guys have brought their wives or g/fs for some or all of the week and the Sox will allow you to bring them to some or all (I cannot remember if its some or all) of the dinners the Sox put on for an additional cost.

DonnieDarko
02-09-2010, 11:32 AM
I would so totally do this if I wasn't a total pauper. >_<

Oh well, maybe after I get out of school and get a law degree I might give it a shot one day. It certainly sounds worth it.

jacobp
02-09-2010, 11:41 AM
It is an incredible time. Here's the typical scenario for fantasy campers: one week of a great time in Glendale; 51 weeks of "I cannot wait till the next camp."

One of the really nice things is that you develop friendships with the coaches. I live in DC, so it is really great when the Sox come to Baltimore (and this year to DC), guys like Salas, Walker, Cox, and Hickey (and Baines), come over to chat. We've developed a nice tradition where one of them will throw me a ball during the game and I give it to a young Sox fan sitting near me. You should see how the kid's eyes light up when I walk over to them and give them the ball, telling him or her that this is from one of the Sox coaches. It makes my day as much as theirs.

The coaches are just terrific guys. And its been a real pleasure and honor to be able to call many of them my friends now. It was so great last year when I flew into Chicago for a game and I hear my name called out. I turn around and there's Bill Melton and Moose saying Hello. Its a terrifice experience and I recommend it to any serious Sox fan.

And, NO, in case any of you are thinking this, I do not work for the Sox in any way, shape or form. I, like all of you, am just a lifelong fan.

jacobp
02-09-2010, 11:45 AM
Isn't there an age restriction on this?

The minimum age is 21. It used to be 30. In my opinion 21 is way too young. As a 55 year old the last thing I want to do is face a 21 year old kid on the mound. But that is the current age limit. At the upper end, there was a guy 81 years old at the camp this year. And there's also a guy in this 70s who is just a hitting machine and a pretty good fielder, and one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet.

TDog
02-09-2010, 11:56 AM
...

There were just a series of new and different aspects of this camp that made it stand out for me. Perhaps others would disagree. Its true that there was no bobblehead and there were almost no gifts (in the past, there would be a new gift, like a Sox fleece, Sox polo shirt, etc., greeting you in your locker almost every day). I love the camp because of the friendships I've made with the coaches and campers over the year, and for the opportunity to put on the Sox uniform and play as much baseball as possible. ...

There also was the drawback of dealing with me as a teammate, which I'm happy that you seemed to survive.

The aspect of having more to do in Glendale is overrated, I think, but I really don't know what and how much you did that you couldn't have done in Tucson. There was a night when many went to an NHL game next door to the hotel. In Tucson, there was usually an organized trip to a college hockey game. In both places, people organized trips to Indian casinos at night. The hotel this year was itself a tourist trap out on the western edge of metropolitan Phoenix. I wasn't at all happy with the hotel.

The facilities at Camelback Ranch were great. The practice fields we played on were in great shape, better than Tucson, as one would expect. Every team got to play one game during the week in the stadium, which was very cool. In recent years, there always has been at lest one day of rain in Tucson, and the weather in Glendale was great for us. It was great in Tucson, too. But the Indians camp that followed us did get hit with some rain.

stevemcstud
02-09-2010, 12:29 PM
It is an incredible time. Here's the typical scenario for fantasy campers: one week of a great time in Glendale; 51 weeks of "I cannot wait till the next camp."

One of the really nice things is that you develop friendships with the coaches. I live in DC, so it is really great when the Sox come to Baltimore (and this year to DC), guys like Salas, Walker, Cox, and Hickey (and Baines), come over to chat. We've developed a nice tradition where one of them will throw me a ball during the game and I give it to a young Sox fan sitting near me. You should see how the kid's eyes light up when I walk over to them and give them the ball, telling him or her that this is from one of the Sox coaches. It makes my day as much as theirs.

The coaches are just terrific guys. And its been a real pleasure and honor to be able to call many of them my friends now. It was so great last year when I flew into Chicago for a game and I hear my name called out. I turn around and there's Bill Melton and Moose saying Hello. Its a terrifice experience and I recommend it to any serious Sox fan.

And, NO, in case any of you are thinking this, I do not work for the Sox in any way, shape or form. I, like all of you, am just a lifelong fan.

I am soooooooooo doing this next year. Sorry I will be 23 next year, but you won't have to face me on the mound as I am a catcher :) Was there a lot of young guys there?

How many games did you guys play during the week and how many hours of the day did you play baseball?

jacobp
02-09-2010, 01:20 PM
I am soooooooooo doing this next year. Sorry I will be 23 next year, but you won't have to face me on the mound as I am a catcher :) Was there a lot of young guys there?

How many games did you guys play during the week and how many hours of the day did you play baseball?

All games are 7 innings. We play one game on Monday and Wednesday and doubleheaders on Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. On Saturday you play against the coaches in a format that has changed over the years. this past year, the championhsip team played two innings against the coaches and everyone else got one at bat.

The games start at around 10 or so each morning. Lunch is then served. And the second games start at around 1pm.

And, by the way, I totally disagree with TDog's comment about the hotel. The Glendale Renaissance is a four-star luxury hotel. It is expensive (ie the drinks are expensive) but it is hardly a tourist trap. One really nice thing about the hotel is that it is right across the street from this complex of bars and restaurants (and the hockey arena), making it very convenient to get dinner.

hi im skot
02-09-2010, 02:15 PM
Are meals included in the cost of the camp?

jacobp
02-09-2010, 02:27 PM
All breakfasts and all lunches are included. And both are quite good. In addition, three banquet dinners are included.

TDog
02-09-2010, 03:23 PM
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And, by the way, I totally disagree with TDog's comment about the hotel. The Glendale Renaissance is a four-star luxury hotel. It is expensive (ie the drinks are expensive) but it is hardly a tourist trap. One really nice thing about the hotel is that it is right across the street from this complex of bars and restaurants (and the hockey arena), making it very convenient to get dinner.

The mall across the street from the hotel is an overpriced tourist trap. The hotel charges for parking as if it isn't surrounded by parking lots that starts where the desert stops. The hotel has the complaints I could fit on the comment card, and they have my address if they want me to explain and expand them. The hotel was after all kinds of charges for things that were free in Tucson. In Tucson, every camper had a suite. The camp sort of took possession of the hotel for a week. It isn't like the Renaissance is within walking distance of Camelback Ranch.

In the past, people brought wives and guests with them to Tucson at no extra charge. I don't know if there would have been an additional charge at the Renaissance. I heard there was for the Indians camp.

If the camp deducted its cost of the room from what they charge and let me find my own accommodations, I could find a place with more room and less grief for half the cost. It isn't like there were a lot of activities at the hotel this year. There was no hospitality suite. Breakfast and the midweek banquet was at Camelback Ranch. That worked out nicely, but it was probably inspired by what the hotel wanted to charge for such things. I certainly don't want to stay at the Renaissance ever again.

As for the baseball, I had hoped that we would play nine-inning games, with two games on Wednesday. And you and I were in the minority when our team decided they only wanted to play five innings on Friday afternoon. But that was no different in Tucson.

mwc44
02-15-2010, 09:19 PM
Nice reviews on the camp, jp and TD... all things considered, it sounds like everyone had a good time, which I'm VERY glad to hear.

Shame the hotel and gifts weren't up to previous standards, but that, too, may change... as well as 7 am breakfast calls.

Hope all is well, gentlemen!

Fox-To-Aparicio
02-16-2010, 09:39 AM
Do the campers use wood or aluminum bats? Do they provide any equipment?

I ask because I want to attend next year and want to know what is available as far as bats and if I am allowed to bring wood bats.

Thanks!

beasly213
02-16-2010, 10:43 AM
How soon in advance do you have to sign up for this?

Ranger
02-16-2010, 06:20 PM
Ranger, I heard some things from some of the Grandstand crew...

It was a fantastic time. I really don't know of anyone out there that was unhappy about anything and the only complaint I heard from anyone was that it said "Sox Fantasy Camp" (instead of just "Sox Camp" or something like that) on the equipment bag they gave everyone.

I was amazed by the number of people that had been out there every year for like 8 straight years (one guy's been there 25 years).

They don't give you a bobblehead, after shelling out what, $5,000?

They should make you a personal one of you, in a Sox uniform if you attend.

Well, they gave everyone their own uniforms. They were authentics and they were the good ones (the Cool Base unis).

I wonder why no bobblehead this year. What was your gift that you received?

The equipment bag. It is huge. I heard last year they gave everyone gloves with their names embroidered. That would've been nice. It's just like the players get.

The mall across the street from the hotel is an overpriced tourist trap. The hotel charges for parking as if it isn't surrounded by parking lots that starts where the desert stops. The hotel has the complaints I could fit on the comment card, and they have my address if they want me to explain and expand them. The hotel was after all kinds of charges for things that were free in Tucson. In Tucson, every camper had a suite. The camp sort of took possession of the hotel for a week. It isn't like the Renaissance is within walking distance of Camelback Ranch.

In the past, people brought wives and guests with them to Tucson at no extra charge. I don't know if there would have been an additional charge at the Renaissance. I heard there was for the Indians camp.

If the camp deducted its cost of the room from what they charge and let me find my own accommodations, I could find a place with more room and less grief for half the cost. It isn't like there were a lot of activities at the hotel this year. There was no hospitality suite. Breakfast and the midweek banquet was at Camelback Ranch. That worked out nicely, but it was probably inspired by what the hotel wanted to charge for such things. I certainly don't want to stay at the Renaissance ever again.

As for the baseball, I had hoped that we would play nine-inning games, with two games on Wednesday. And you and I were in the minority when our team decided they only wanted to play five innings on Friday afternoon. But that was no different in Tucson.

No charge to bring out a gf/wife, except for airfare.

I can't believe you didn't like the hotel. I thought it was one of the nicer ones I've ever stayed in, although I didn't really understand why they charged for parking out there. It's in the middle of open fields, yet you have to pay for parking. That didn't make sense.

Do the campers use wood or aluminum bats? Do they provide any equipment?

I ask because I want to attend next year and want to know what is available as far as bats and if I am allowed to bring wood bats.

Thanks!

They had Aluminum/composite bats for us to use. No wood, because we would've broken a lot of bats. Some people brought their own.

jacobp
02-21-2010, 10:36 AM
Do the campers use wood or aluminum bats? Do they provide any equipment?

I ask because I want to attend next year and want to know what is available as far as bats and if I am allowed to bring wood bats.

Thanks!

Aluminum bats are provided by the camp. You can use wood, but you'll have to bring your own.