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voodoochile
01-28-2010, 11:40 AM
Yes, I know wins are a poor metric of individual success, just curious how many wins people think the starters will have this year...

Peavy - 20
Buehrle - 16
Floyd - 15
Danks - 18
Garcia - 12
Hudson - 3

That's 84 by my count and yeah, I'm an optimist...:D:

Rockabilly
01-28-2010, 11:52 AM
Peavy 21
Buehrle 17
Danks 16
Floyd 13
Garcia 9
Hudson 5

Rohan
01-28-2010, 11:53 AM
Floyd 21
Peavy 18
Danks 17
Buehrle 15
Garcia 12
Hudson 1

I'm not predicting the best of years for Mr. Perfect. I do hope I'm wrong about him. It's really just a gut feeling more than anything else.

seventyseven
01-28-2010, 11:56 AM
Peavy - 17
Buerhle - 17
Danks - 15
Floyd - 15
Garcia - 10

whitem0nkey
01-28-2010, 12:01 PM
Peavy 23
Floyd 22
Danks 20
Buehrle 20
Garcia 19

and remember kids, the more wins you give the pitchers the bigger and better sox fan you are.

Rdy2PlayBall
01-28-2010, 12:02 PM
Peavy 23
Floyd 22
Danks 20
Buehrle 20
Garcia 19

and remember kids, the more wins you give the pitchers the bigger and better sox fan you are.Peavy - all of 'em
Floyd - all of 'em
Danks - all of 'em
Buehrle - all of 'em
Garcia - all of 'em

:tongue:

DirtySox
01-28-2010, 12:02 PM
Peavy - 18
Buehrle - 14
Floyd - 15
Danks - 17
Garcia - 10
Hudson - 5

= 79

tstrike2000
01-28-2010, 12:17 PM
Peavy - 19
Buehrle - 15
Floyd - 15
Danks - 14
Garcia - 11
Hudson - 4
=78

RCWHITESOX
01-28-2010, 12:19 PM
Peavy 17
Buehrle 15
Floyd 15
Danks 14
Garcia 8
Hudson 2

Total 71

mzh
01-28-2010, 01:13 PM
Peavy - 19-6, 2.72
Buehrle - 17-10, 3.38
Floyd - 14-11, 3.87
Danks - 18-8, 2.97
Garcia - 8-5, 4.58
Hudson - 5-3, 4.10

Total- 81
My feeling is that Garcia will have a little bit of trouble staying healthy through out the whole year, leading to the emergence of Hudson in mid-August. Garcia will also have several leads blown for him by the bullpen (maybe 3) because he won't be able to go 6 or 7 consistently. Danks will have his breakout year in which he comes into the national spotlight, Burls will be as consistent as ever, and Floyd will continue to be solid upper-level mid rotation guy who will go 7 plus a lot and rack up 200+ IP

voodoochile
01-28-2010, 01:40 PM
Peavy 23
Floyd 22
Danks 20
Buehrle 20
Garcia 19

and remember kids, the more wins you give the pitchers the bigger and better sox fan you are.

Wow, way to take the discussion seriously as opposed to simply trying to make a snide comment. Thanks for the input...

Domeshot17
01-28-2010, 01:51 PM
Peavy 17-6 3.41 era
Buehrle 14-12 3.88 era
Danks 14-8 3.24 era
Floyd 13-11 4.11 era
Freddy/5th spot 12-11 4.88 era

Total 70-48

I don't think Danks or Peavy LOSE a lot of games though, but with our bullpen and offense, they are going to leave in the 7th with a lot of tie scores IMO

MtGrnwdSoxFan
01-28-2010, 01:52 PM
Peavy: 16
Buehrle: 14
Danks: 16
Floyd: 15
Garcia: 11
Hudson: 3

75 starters wins + 13 bullpen wins = 88 total.

voodoochile
01-28-2010, 01:53 PM
Peavy 17 3.41 era
Buehrle 14 3.88 era
Danks 14 3.24 era
Floyd 13 4.11 era
Freddy/5th spot 12 4.88 era

Total 70

I think that's a realistic and low total. Most teams expect to get 20 wins from their bullpen so that would be a total of 90.

Domeshot17
01-28-2010, 01:59 PM
I think that's a realistic and low total. Most teams expect to get 20 wins from their bullpen so that would be a total of 90.

I don't know if well get 20, but I think we can get atleast 15.

I edited with loss totals, I love our rotation, I think a 593 winning percentage is great from them. If we can get 15 locked in wins, those other 5 games could be MASSIVE. Our pitching is fantastic.

LoveYourSuit
01-28-2010, 02:31 PM
Peavy: 17
Buehrle: 14
Danks: 18
Floyd: 16
Garcia: 12


Both Danks and Peavy get selected to the allstar game.


I expect Danks to take a huge step forward this year.

Noneck
01-28-2010, 03:17 PM
Yes, I know wins are a poor metric of individual success, just curious how many wins people think the starters will have this year...

Peavy - 20
Buehrle - 16
Floyd - 15
Danks - 18
Garcia - 12
Hudson - 3

That's 84 by my count and yeah, I'm an optimist...:D:

According to my calculations that's the most wins by a starting staff in Sox modern day history. As you stated 20 games in a reasonable amount of relief wins which would put the total at 104.

Easily the most wins in Sox history. Preseason optimism is running rampant in your mind.

russ99
01-28-2010, 03:20 PM
Peavy - 19
Buehrle - 13
Danks - 16
Floyd - 12
Freddy - 3
Hudson - 9 (starting and relief)

I have zero confidence Freddy can last more than two months much less a whole season.

asindc
01-28-2010, 03:22 PM
Peavy-18
Buehrle-15
Danks-16
Floyd-14
Garcia-8
Hudson-3
Others-2
Total-76

Peavy will finish top 5 in Cy Young. Floyd will lead the staff in Ks. Garcia won't finish the season, but he will pitch effectively enough to secure the 5th spot while he is in there.

voodoochile
01-28-2010, 03:22 PM
According to my calculations that's the most wins by a starting staff in Sox modern day history. As you stated 20 games in a reasonable amount of relief wins which would put the total at 104.

Easily the most wins in Sox history. Preseason optimism is running rampant in your mind.

LOL... Yeah, It's a bit high... I actually expect to get less wins from the bullpen this year because the starting staff is so good. I'm also expecting a breakout year from Danks. I'd settle for 75 wins from the starting staff though. :D:

doublem23
01-28-2010, 04:16 PM
I expect Danks to take a huge step forward this year.

If he's really over those circulation problems he was having last year, I do, too.

steely712
01-28-2010, 04:37 PM
Peavy- 19
Buehrle- 14
Danks- 17
Floyd-13
Garcia- 7
Hudson- 8

By my count that is 78

DumpJerry
01-28-2010, 04:38 PM
Let's see....162 games divided by 5 comes to about 32 starts each year per pitcher in the rotation.

So, each guy gets 28 wins. Yeah, that's the ticket.



Ok, maybe this is closer:
Peavy 20
Burls 18
Floyd 16
Danks 15
5th Starter 12.

That's 81 wins.:D:

voodoochile
01-28-2010, 05:02 PM
If he's really over those circulation problems he was having last year, I do, too.

He'll never be 100% over it, it's congenital and recurrent, but it was being exacerbated by his use of tobacco. They got him off the chew and he did much better once the problem was reduced to manageable. Provided he stays off tobacco, he should have more stamina and become more consistent.

Domeshot17
01-28-2010, 05:08 PM
He'll never be 100% over it, it's congenital and recurrent, but it was being exacerbated by his use of tobacco. They got him off the chew and he did much better once the problem was reduced to manageable. Provided he stays off tobacco, he should have more stamina and become more consistent.

Love Danks, but Im 99% sure he had a massive lipper in when we saw in the lobby at Soxfest. I could be wrong, but my wife noticed it too.

munchman33
01-28-2010, 05:14 PM
Peavy - 23 wins, 2.12 era
Buehrle - 13 wins, 4.38 era
Floyd - 14 wins, 3.85 era
Danks - 12 wins, 4.12 era
Garcia - 4 wins, 6.58 era
Hudson - 6 wins, 4.92 era

voodoochile
01-28-2010, 05:18 PM
Love Danks, but Im 99% sure he had a massive lipper in when we saw in the lobby at Soxfest. I could be wrong, but my wife noticed it too.

Well hopefully he's able to get off it when it counts. I also don't know whether it's a game day issue (no chew on days he pitches) or if it's a cumulative effect where he has to quit altogether.

Stuffs tough to quit and the earlier you start the harder it is...

soxfan26
01-28-2010, 05:23 PM
Danks- 21
Peavy - 20
Buehrle - 15
Gavin - 14
Freddy - 4
Hudson - 6

Bullpen - 18

Total - 98

asindc
01-28-2010, 05:36 PM
Love Danks, but Im 99% sure he had a massive lipper in when we saw in the lobby at Soxfest. I could be wrong, but my wife noticed it too.

Maybe it was bubble gum. Players have been known to use that in lieu of chaw just for the feeling.

SoxNation05
01-28-2010, 08:04 PM
Peavy 14
Buehrle 13
Danks 18
Floyd 15
Garcia 8
Hudson 6

SOXfnNlansing
01-28-2010, 10:53 PM
Peavy - 14-13 2.69 (no run support)
Buehrle - 13-11 3.85 (a little over .500)
Floyd - 12-9 3.77 (bullpen blows a few leads, gets ND)
Danks - 22-7 3.27 (lots of run support)
Garcia - 15-8 4.21 (moves up a spot in the rotation at some point late season)
Hudson - 3-0 4.32

That's 79 wins. Bullpen wins 10 more, we're champs according to BP!

asindc
01-28-2010, 11:16 PM
Peavy - 14-13 2.69 (no run support)
Buehrle - 13-11 3.85 (a little over .500)
Floyd - 12-9 3.77 (bullpen blows a few leads, gets ND)
Danks - 22-7 3.27 (lots of run support)
Garcia - 15-8 4.21 (moves up a spot in the rotation at some point late season)
Hudson - 3-0 4.32

That's 79 wins. Bullpen wins 10 more, we're champs according to BP!

Ahead of whom?

gr8mexico
01-28-2010, 11:44 PM
Peavy: 17
Buehrle: 14
Danks: 21 (CY Young Winner)
Floyd: 15
Garcia: 11
5th Starter 5
Thats a total of 83 wins

sox1970
01-29-2010, 12:07 AM
Buehrle 15-10
Peavy 17-9
Danks 13-11
Floyd 14-10
Garcia 11-10

Rotation 70-50

Bullpen 24-18

94-68

VMSNS
01-29-2010, 12:17 AM
Peavy - 17
Buehrle - 14
Danks - 17
Floyd - 15
Garcia - 4
Hudson - 8
Total = 75 wins

I predict about 85-90 wins for this team, so that leaves 10-15 wins for the bullpen.

I think Peavy's performance with us last year was a little bit of a honeymoon period for him. I think pitching in a small park like the Cell and the transition to AL will affect him a little bit this season. He'll be good for sure, but I don't see him having some kind of monster 20+ win season just yet. Buehrle will be consistent as usual, but will have some bumps in the road by either having a bad start to the season (2008) or a bad end to it (2009). Danks will break out and have a great year. Floyd will lead the team in K's and will return closer to 2008 form after a slightly regressive 2009 season. Garcia will be acceptable in his role as the 5th starter, but will break down around the All-Star break. Hudson takes over and does his thing.

All my opinion, of course. :D:

PalehosePlanet
01-29-2010, 12:18 AM
Floyd 17
Peavy 17
Buehrle 15
Danks 14
Garcia 5
Hudson 5

CWSpalehoseCWS
01-29-2010, 12:43 AM
Peavy - 19
Floyd - 17
Buehrle - 15
Danks - 14
Garcia - 11

voodoochile
01-29-2010, 10:24 AM
So far the lowest predicted total is 72. I think my 84 is still the max, but most people have the team in the mid-high 70's.

75 means the starters will average 15 wins apiece which in any book is more than fine. Every team in the majors would kill to get that kind of production from the starting rotation.

This is the part of the discussion regarding the potential woes of the offense that I think is getting missed. People are saying "best rotation in the division." Well yeah, but it's an oversimplification. The Sox on paper easily have one of the top rotations in all of baseball. In fact it might be the best and might be the best rotation the Sox have ever had.

For reference sake, here are the win totals for the 2005 squad:

MB 16
JG 18
JC 15
FG 14
OH 9
BM 3

That adds up to 75 and the team ended up with 99 wins.

Now even if the Bullpen isn't as good as the 2005 squad, if they can get 17 wins the team would be at 92 which probably wins the division walking.

sox1970
01-29-2010, 10:48 AM
So far the lowest predicted total is 72. I think my 84 is still the max, but most people have the team in the mid-high 70's.

75 means the starters will average 15 wins apiece which in any book is more than fine. Every team in the majors would kill to get that kind of production from the starting rotation.

This is the part of the discussion regarding the potential woes of the offense that I think is getting missed. People are saying "best rotation in the division." Well yeah, but it's an oversimplification. The Sox on paper easily have one of the top rotations in all of baseball. In fact it might be the best and might be the best rotation the Sox have ever had.

For reference sake, here are the win totals for the 2005 squad:

MB 16
JG 18
JC 15
FG 14
OH 9
BM 3

That adds up to 75 and the team ended up with 99 wins.

Now even if the Bullpen isn't as good as the 2005 squad, if they can get 17 wins the team would be at 92 which probably wins the division walking.

I have the rotation at 70 wins.

whitem0nkey
01-29-2010, 10:59 AM
just for fun and for the super optimist, here are the career single season best.

Mark Alan Buehrle - 19 - 2002
Jacob Edward Peavy - 19 - 2007
Gavin Christopher Floyd - 17 - 2008
John William Danks - 13 - 2009
Freddy Antonio Garcia- 18 - 2001

86, and that's if each of them duplicated there career best.

voodoochile
01-29-2010, 11:27 AM
I have the rotation at 70 wins.

Okay, sorry, you win the lowest prediction total award :D:

That's still 14 wins per starting slot average. That would be okay too...

voodoochile
01-29-2010, 11:31 AM
just for fun and for the super optimist, here are the career single season best.

Mark Alan Buehrle - 19 - 2002
Jacob Edward Peavy - 19 - 2007
Gavin Christopher Floyd - 17 - 2008
John William Danks - 13 - 2009
Freddy Antonio Garcia- 18 - 2001

86, and that's if each of them duplicated there career best.

I see Peavy getting there. I don't expect Mark to. Danks should win more than 13. Floyd will be in the area, but might not do it. Garcia won't win 18 unless he takes so many steroids his testicles become innies. :wink:

You left off Hudson. Add in his 3 and you get 89...

whitem0nkey
01-29-2010, 12:26 PM
I see Peavy getting there. I don't expect Mark to. Danks should win more than 13. Floyd will be in the area, but might not do it. Garcia won't win 18 unless he takes so many steroids his testicles become innies. :wink:

You left off Hudson. Add in his 3 and you get 89...

I wanted to do career avg. years but i did not just want to divide years played by wins because some years some of these guys only played a few games.

chisox117
01-29-2010, 01:02 PM
Starters combine for 79 wins:

Peavy: 21
Buehrle: 15
Floyd: 19
Danks: 16
Garcia: 5
Hudson: 3

JB98
01-29-2010, 02:09 PM
Peavy -- 16
Buehrle -- 14
Floyd -- 12
Danks -- 12
Garcia/Hudson -- 10

guillen4life13
01-29-2010, 03:44 PM
Yes, I know wins are a poor metric of individual success, just curious how many wins people think the starters will have this year...

Peavy - 20
Buehrle - 16
Floyd - 15
Danks - 18
Garcia - 12
Hudson - 3

That's 84 by my count and yeah, I'm an optimist...:D:

Peavy - 19
Buehrle - 16
Floyd - 17
Danks - 15
Garcia/Hudson - 13
Total: 80

Danks will fall victim to either a bad bullpen or lack of run support, as has been the case over the past few years.

whitem0nkey
01-29-2010, 05:59 PM
the thing is someone will be a hard luck pitcher and some one else will get the run support and that can swing 4 wins one way.