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russ99
01-16-2010, 12:40 PM
As expected, Jenks, Danks, Quentin and Pena all filed for arbitration yesterday.

How long before they exchange numbers? I'm curious to see what they want and what the Sox think they should get...

CLR01
01-16-2010, 01:00 PM
Tuesday numbers will be exchanged.

DonnieDarko
01-16-2010, 05:42 PM
Tuesday numbers will be exchanged.

Bwhat?

JermaineDye05
01-16-2010, 06:23 PM
Tuesday numbers will be exchanged.

Dammit, does that mean I might have to get a whole new Jenks jersey if he and Danks decide to exchange numbers? I am not a happy camper.

chisox616
01-16-2010, 06:36 PM
Nevermind, heh! But MLBTradeRumors is saying Jenks & Quentin have agreed to terms.

veeter
01-16-2010, 06:40 PM
Yahoo says 7.5 for Bobby and 3.2 for Carlos. Wow, that's a lot for Jenks.

siugrad25
01-16-2010, 06:42 PM
Yahoo says 7.5 for Bobby and 3.2 for Carlos. Wow, that's a lot for Jenks.

Here's the link from ESPN.com:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=4832496

thomas35forever
01-16-2010, 06:42 PM
I'd say the price is right for both.

DirtySox
01-16-2010, 06:42 PM
And that means Bobby will now be at SoxFest. Was Carlos originally going to be there?

NLaloosh
01-16-2010, 06:58 PM
Yahoo says 7.5 for Bobby and 3.2 for Carlos. Wow, that's a lot for Jenks.

That's a lot for Carlos - considering the year he had.

russ99
01-16-2010, 07:17 PM
That's a lot for Carlos - considering the year he had.

No, Carlos had a great year in 08, despite his injuries since, so it's about right.

Bobby made 5.6 last year so I was expecting 7+. Let's hope he gets in shape before spring training.

Now the big question is Danks. Young starters have been cashing in lately, so I hope the Sox sign him to a mid-long term deal.

DirtySox
01-16-2010, 07:25 PM
No, Carlos had a great year in 08, despite his injuries since, so it's about right.

Bobby made 5.6 last year so I was expecting 7+. Let's hope he gets in shape before spring training.

Now the big question is Danks. Young starters have been cashing in lately, so I hope the Sox sign him to a mid-long term deal.

Yep. The Carlos deal is fine. Even with his injuries last year, his numbers weren't dreadful. Bobby on the other hand will be hard pressed to earn the amount he was awarded in arbitration. Not many relievers are worth that much period.

Brian26
01-16-2010, 07:33 PM
Kenny will need a magician's wand and cape to move Jenks now...at least until pre-trade deadline.

JB98
01-16-2010, 07:48 PM
Kenny will need a magician's wand and cape to move Jenks now...at least until pre-trade deadline.

I don't think he has any intention of doing so, though.

russ99
01-16-2010, 09:33 PM
Yep. The Carlos deal is fine. Even with his injuries last year, his numbers weren't dreadful. Bobby on the other hand will be hard pressed to earn the amount he was awarded in arbitration. Not many relievers are worth that much period.

Well, the going rate for closers is $7M, so it's not so bad, only bad in retrospect with what we've been paying Bobby up to now...

FielderJones
01-16-2010, 11:09 PM
Bobby on the other hand will be hard pressed to earn the amount he was awarded in arbitration. Not many relievers are worth that much period.

Bobby wasn't awarded anything (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100116&content_id=7928844&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws) in arbitration.

LoveYourSuit
01-17-2010, 12:42 AM
I'd say the price is right for both.


I think it's more like the "system is ****ed up."

Guys should not get raises when they have down or injured years.

But the Sox had no other choice, what were they going to do, just cut the guys lose?

A. Cavatica
01-17-2010, 08:07 AM
Bobby at $7.5M next year is probably a bad investment. He's been trending down and wasn't worth that last year.

cws05champ
01-17-2010, 08:13 AM
No, Carlos had a great year in 08, despite his injuries since, so it's about right.

Bobby made 5.6 last year so I was expecting 7+. Let's hope he gets in shape before spring training.

Now the big question is Danks. Young starters have been cashing in lately, so I hope the Sox sign him to a mid-long term deal.
I would expect Danks to get around what Carlos got, unless they are working a long term deal...which I hope they do.

People here earlier in the off-season were speculating that TCQ and Danks would get close to $5M or more in arb... ridiculous.

Waysouthsider
01-17-2010, 08:48 AM
Well, Jenks and Quentin are signed...anyone heard anything about Danks? Hope they get that locked down without going to arbitration.

voodoochile
01-17-2010, 09:55 AM
Bobby at $7.5M next year is probably a bad investment. He's been trending down and wasn't worth that last year.

He was dealing with the kidney stone injury during the worst of his struggles. He looked much better when those were done and the year before he was a top tier closer.

For that kind of money I'd prefer they both signed extensions, but guess it wasn't to be. Hopefully Carlos can stay healthy this year.

#1swisher
01-17-2010, 11:15 AM
On Saturday the Sox avoided arbitration. Agreeing to one-year contracts.

Jenks - $7.5 million in 2010

Quentin - $3.2 million in 2010

Good to have you back.:D:

Brian26
01-17-2010, 11:35 AM
Lots of similar threads popping up here regarding Jenks & Quentin signing and Danks' expected signing (highly unlikely they go to arbitration). I merged everything under this one thread.

Gavin
01-17-2010, 02:24 PM
For a $7.5 million dollar salary, Jenks better not suck in September.

SoxNation05
01-17-2010, 03:16 PM
JEnks has more value on this team than what he could he capture us in a trade.

Noneck
01-17-2010, 05:14 PM
JEnks has more value on this team than what he could he capture us in a trade.

IMHO, At 7.5m, his trade worth is very low.

Rdy2PlayBall
01-17-2010, 07:29 PM
That 7m seems like way too much for Jenks. Especialy how terrible he did at that last part of the season. Good deal for Quentin... he could/should have another breakout 2008 season.

sullythered
01-17-2010, 07:34 PM
I'm certainly glad all those folks on this board that assured me Bobby Jenks would not be a part of the 2010 White Sox were dead wrong. Bobby had health issues in the middle of the season that seriously hindered his production. He'll be back to form this season, and we'll have one of the best back-of-the-bullpens in baseball (Thorton/Putz/Bobby). Paired with our starting staff, we could really be force.

DonnieDarko
01-17-2010, 07:45 PM
...or the relief pitching could totally flounder, catch the injury bug, or otherwise just outright suck for some unexplainable reason.

Such is the beauty of baseball. ^_^

Lip Man 1
01-17-2010, 07:57 PM
Sully:

I think it's very unlikely now that Kenny would try to move Jenks, but I'm not willing to guarantee that he won't.

With Kenny the unexpected is generally the norm.

Lip

russ99
01-17-2010, 10:18 PM
Bobby at $7.5M next year is probably a bad investment. He's been trending down and wasn't worth that last year.

Well, he did have an off year, but I think that was due to his kidney stones, and overall bad health/being out of shape than any regression.

But here's 2010 salaries from other closers:

Rivera - $15M
Cordero - $12M
F. Rodriguez - $11.5M
Nathan - $11.5M
Lidge - $11.5M
Wood - $10M
Fuentes - $9M
Soriano - $7.5M
Hoffman - $7.5M
Valverde - $7M
Wagner - $6.75M
Franklin - $6.5M
Papelbon - $6.25+ arb

Bobby's $7.5M isn't so bad as long as he gets guys out at his expected level.

Rdy2PlayBall
01-17-2010, 10:27 PM
Bobby's $7.5M isn't so bad as long as he gets guys out at his expected level.$7.5M is definitely worth that. Hope he stays healthy.

jabrch
01-18-2010, 01:17 AM
I'm certainly glad all those folks on this board that assured me Bobby Jenks would not be a part of the 2010 White Sox were dead wrong. Bobby had health issues in the middle of the season that seriously hindered his production. He'll be back to form this season, and we'll have one of the best back-of-the-bullpens in baseball (Thorton/Putz/Bobby). Paired with our starting staff, we could really be force.


I won't be sure about anything with Kenny until it happens or doesn't happen. In the case of Jenks, if someone comes out there and blows us away, I would have no problem with Williams making the right move and getting value for him.

At the same time, I'd have no problem with him being the closer this year for us.

voodoochile
01-18-2010, 10:42 AM
At 7.5m, his trade worth is very low.

I absolutely love how people speak with such authority on concepts they have no clue on. Hey make up some crap, toss it up on the message board, it becomes fact...

Rdy2PlayBall
01-18-2010, 11:14 AM
I absolutely love how people speak with such authority on concepts they have no clue on. Hey make up some crap, toss it up on the message board, it becomes fact...YES! Same when it comes to managerial skills. :redneck

Ranger
01-18-2010, 11:27 AM
...or the relief pitching could totally flounder, catch the injury bug, or otherwise just outright suck for some unexplainable reason.

Such is the beauty of baseball. ^_^

That pretty much goes for every team in baseball.

Tragg
01-18-2010, 01:59 PM
Carlos cost himself a bunch of money by not signing last year; he got hurt, but that was still a nice contract he turned down.

I see why williams wanted to trade Jenks. 7.5 may be market, but it's still a pile.

guillensdisciple
01-18-2010, 02:06 PM
Carlos cost himself a bunch of money by not signing last year; he got hurt, but that was still a nice contract he turned down.

I see why williams wanted to trade Jenks. 7.5 may be market, but it's still a pile.


Did Kenny publicly say that he wanted to trade Jenks? I know there were rumors, but didn't Jenks always have Ozzie's and Kenny's backing?

Frater Perdurabo
01-18-2010, 02:37 PM
That pretty much goes for every team in baseball.

I agree.

One of the most common factors in bullpen performance is starting rotation performance. Fewer innings, fewer stressful mid-inning appearances with runners on base (and puke all over the mound), and more comfortable leads make middle relievers more effective. Not being good enough to be starters or closers, middle relievers are best when they are used least.

Noneck
01-18-2010, 02:57 PM
I absolutely love how people speak with such authority on concepts they have no clue on. Hey make up some crap, toss it up on the message board, it becomes fact...


Hope my edit will clarify things for you.

DirtySox
01-18-2010, 04:51 PM
Tony Pena gets 1 Year, 1.2 million.

Feel free to edit the post title.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/white-sox-sign-reliever-tony-pena-to-one-year-12-million-contract-1.html

Waysouthsider
01-18-2010, 05:00 PM
Tony Pena gets 1 Year, 1.2 million.

Feel free to edit the post title.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/white-sox-sign-reliever-tony-pena-to-one-year-12-million-contract-1.html



Well, thank goodness he didn't get more...I think he's a waste...hope I'm wrong.

JermaineDye05
01-18-2010, 05:16 PM
Well, thank goodness he didn't get more...I think he's a waste...hope I'm wrong.

He's a relief pitcher. He could be very bad one year and unhittable the next. Considering he was pretty bad last year, I'm gonna go with the latter for 2010 or at least mediocre. Considering he's not counted on as a 7th or 8th inning guy (yet), I'm not too concerned about him.

cws05champ
01-18-2010, 05:21 PM
He's a relief pitcher. He could be very bad one year and unhittable the next. Considering he was pretty bad last year, I'm gonna go with the latter for 2010 or at least mediocre. Considering he's not counted on as a 7th or 8th inning guy (yet), I'm not too concerned about him.

I think that puts us at about $97 to 98M including an estimated $3.5M for Danks (about what Quentin got) and the buyouts on MacDougal and Dye.

DonnieDarko
01-18-2010, 06:25 PM
That pretty much goes for every team in baseball.

Yeah, which was also my point.

everafan
01-18-2010, 08:33 PM
For a $7.5 million dollar salary, Jenks better not suck in September.

Everyone should go back an check Jenks' splits. He sucked in July - not for the season.

oeo
01-18-2010, 09:05 PM
Everyone should go back an check Jenks' splits. He sucked in July - not for the season.

He also sucked against left-handers. It also doesn't alarm you the number of homeruns he gave up?

Brian26
01-18-2010, 09:33 PM
Pena signs: 1 yr, 1.2 million.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100118&content_id=7933784&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Only guy left to sign is Danks.

JermaineDye05
01-18-2010, 09:52 PM
Pena signs: 1 yr, 1.2 million.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100118&content_id=7933784&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Only guy left to sign is Danks.

I assume they're trying to lock Danks up longterm before ST.

jabrch
01-18-2010, 10:11 PM
He also sucked against left-handers. It also doesn't alarm you the number of homeruns he gave up?

4 HR in the last 6 weeks of the season and 5 in the first 15 weeks...

Alarmed? I think that might be a bit much.

He gave up 7 ER in 7 IP in July; 15 in the other 46. 29 saves and 6 BS.

Alarmed, however, is a bit much. Hard for me to be alarmed about too much in January. Even our DH situation isn't yet at the point of alarming.

But I am an eternal optimist.

Gavin
01-19-2010, 12:54 AM
For some reason, Bobby Jenks' career stats are atrocious in July and September:

July... 5.87 ERA, 46 IP, 1.67 WHIP in 43 games
September.. 4.67 ERA, 54 IP, 1.43 WHIP in 47 games

voodoochile
01-19-2010, 08:50 AM
For some reason, Bobby Jenks' career stats are atrocious in July and September:

July... 5.87 ERA, 46 IP, 1.67 WHIP in 43 games
September.. 4.67 ERA, 54 IP, 1.43 WHIP in 47 games

What are his save percentages in those months?

Craig Grebeck
01-19-2010, 09:01 AM
What are his save percentages in those months?
Not really the best metric for a pitcher. Even with a 3-run lead, the surrendering of 1-2 runs (consistently) portends some problems.

Gavin
01-19-2010, 09:03 AM
What are his save percentages in those months?

I can't find a good site that has SVO over his career on monthly splits, but his career records for the months..
July: 1-4, 20 SV, 6 BS
September: 2-4, 16 SV, 8 BS

So for those two months he's 3-8 and has 14 blown saves with 36 saves.

DirtySox
01-19-2010, 12:59 PM
According to Waddle and Silvy from Bruce Levine, Danks gets 1 year 3.45 million.

Edit: And now on Twitter.

http://twitter.com/ESPNChiBaseball/status/7955633563

PalehosePlanet
01-19-2010, 01:09 PM
So it turns out to be 15.4 mil total on our four arb eligible players. Not bad, some here thought it would be closer to 20 mil.

Sargeant79
01-19-2010, 01:12 PM
According to Waddle and Silvy from Bruce Levine, Danks gets 1 year 3.45 million.

Edit: And now on Twitter.

http://twitter.com/ESPNChiBaseball/status/7955633563

Hopefully this is just a precursor to a long term deal once Danks' finger checks out ok tomorrow.

LoveYourSuit
01-19-2010, 01:22 PM
Hopefully this is just a precursor to a long term deal once Danks' finger checks out ok tomorrow.

:scratch:

Is he having tests done on his finger again, I thought this was a done issue.

FielderJones
01-19-2010, 01:28 PM
Not really the best metric for a pitcher. Even with a 3-run lead, the surrendering of 1-2 runs (consistently) portends some problems.

For a closer, that's the only metric I care about. If the Sox go into the ninth with a 1, 2, or 3-run lead I want them to come out of the ninth with a win. If Bobby continues to close at an 87% success rate (Rivera = 89.5%) I can live with that.

DirtySox
01-19-2010, 01:29 PM
:scratch:

Is he having tests done on his finger again, I thought this was a done issue.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0119-white-sox-chicago--20100118,0,4536703.story

veeter
01-19-2010, 01:51 PM
Glad they got it done. I love John Danks.

doublem23
01-19-2010, 02:04 PM
:scratch:

Is he having tests done on his finger again, I thought this was a done issue.

Sounds like a follow-up exam.

Sargeant79
01-19-2010, 02:09 PM
:scratch:

Is he having tests done on his finger again, I thought this was a done issue.

Everyone seems to think that it is, and the tests tomorrow are supposed to confirm that. See the link that DirtySox posted.

My hunch is that the deal today was just so that they could avoid arbitration, and the Sox are waiting for tomorrow's checkup before tearing it up and getting the long-term deal done.

LoveYourSuit
01-19-2010, 02:10 PM
Sounds like a follow-up exam.


I see it know from the line provided. I got concerned because I thought it was all done with but it looks to be just a follow up as you said.


Regardless, I still think Danks will go year to year on his deals until FA. It doesn't look like they are even close to anything long term. Same goes for Quentin.

I am fine with that. Less risk for the team long term.

DirtySox
01-19-2010, 02:26 PM
Everyone seems to think that it is, and the tests tomorrow are supposed to confirm that. See the link that DirtySox posted.

My hunch is that the deal today was just so that they could avoid arbitration, and the Sox are waiting for tomorrow's checkup before tearing it up and getting the long-term deal done.

I think so too. Gavin agreed to a 1 year amount last year before completing his long term deal. I think we will hear more about it after he gets a clean bill of health.

soxfanatlanta
01-19-2010, 02:33 PM
Glad they got it done. I love John Danks.

Agreed, I love watching him pitch.

Thatguyoverthere
01-19-2010, 02:38 PM
Glad they got it done. I love John Danks.I'm pumped about this news, Danks is my favorite player on the team.

LoveYourSuit
01-19-2010, 03:26 PM
I'm pumped about this news, Danks is my favorite player on the team.


It's not that big of a deal to me. He was going to be in a Sox uniform regardless.

Now if they would have anounced a long term deal which would benefit the team long term, now that would be something to be pumped about.

But I guess not having another Black Jack McDowell experience is a plus to all of this.

Metalthrasher442
01-19-2010, 03:29 PM
Glad I got that John Danks road jersey haha

cws05champ
01-19-2010, 04:00 PM
So it turns out to be 15.4 mil total on our four arb eligible players. Not bad, some here thought it would be closer to 20 mil.
Yep, I said awhile back Quentin and Danks would both get between $3.0-3.5M and was told by another poster that "is always right" that the combined salaries would be closer to $10M. :rolleyes:

Glad they got all the deals done.

russ99
01-19-2010, 06:12 PM
OK, our 2010 Payroll is set.

Depending on raises for non-arb players, we're right around $103M.

Linky for specific numbers (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AkOHmui-hxtbdHRKeFJOaC1HZVJXV1NDNVNvYzFodHc&hl=en)

Gotta hand it to Kenny, I didn't think they'd spend this much, and Jerry's open to more if it's a game changing acquisition.

Waysouthsider
01-19-2010, 06:17 PM
I think so too. Gavin agreed to a 1 year amount last year before completing his long term deal. I think we will hear more about it after he gets a clean bill of health.


I hope you guys are right about this, I'd really like to see Danks get locked down long term....I'm not worried about the circulation issue....I don't think he's got a Whitey Ford issue....

soxfanreggie
01-19-2010, 07:29 PM
Regardless, I still think Danks will go year to year on his deals until FA. It doesn't look like they are even close to anything long term. Same goes for Quentin.

I wonder what the magic figure would be for Danks to give up his first year or two of free agency. It would be nice to get him locked up through say 2013 or 2014, where he gets more money guaranteed and will still have an opportunity to get a huge FA contract in 2014 or 2015.

I guess to each his own. If I had to give up the potential for a few million more in later years to guarantee myself a $15 million+ contract now (based on what Floyd got), I'd make that move in a heartbeat. Danks shouldn't have to worry about money the rest of his life due to his signing bonus, his MLB pension, and this contract, but a $15+ million contract would guarantee him to be set for life (with some smart money management) even after taxes and paying his people.

If he was to pitch well in the span of the rest of his arbitration years and his first one or two FA years, he would still be in line for a HUGE contract. However, if he gets injured or somehow "loses it" in the next year or two, all that future money goes out the window without a nice guaranteed contract to fall back on.

Lip Man 1
01-19-2010, 09:30 PM
He was asked about passing up a long term deal last year and if now he's under more pressure to perform, this afternoon on Chicago Tribune Live!

Danks said no, he's part of a good staff of starters and all he has to do is pitch his normal game and things will be fine.

Lip

FoulkeFan
01-20-2010, 09:29 AM
Danks said no, he's part of a good staff of starters and all he has to do is pitch his normal game and things will be fine.

I love Danks! He will be fine, because he doesn't seem to let stuff get to him.

voodoochile
01-20-2010, 09:44 AM
I love Danks! He will be fine, because he doesn't seem to let stuff get to him.

I think his finger issues are going to be much lessened this year and he is going to have a break out season. He'll bust the bank next year if that's the case.